Secret History of the Foot Clan Review

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taking it back many, many, many, many, many years

ago as Mr. Joe Reed and I find out the secret

history of the Foot Clan. Hello, sir. Hello.

How are you? I am well. This is exciting to be

looking at these again. I'm continually impressed

with these books, and I'm thankful that you have

given me the opportunity to go get them out of

my back issue boxes and reread them all because

oh there's so much more in these books oh yes

there is i mean you know seeds of the future

buried in the past um but uh but no yeah we're

here doing another back issue classics we've

gone back to the turtles earlier this month in

july in july wow in july that's not till next

month um earlier this month in july peas growing

there have you seen that yes i know Well, the

Orson Welles version is is all well and good

and fine. I prefer the brain Maurice LaMarche's

Orson Welles the brain doing it Just in case

our listeners haven't heard this if in comic

book the movie With Mark Hamill was in that On

the okay, you can buy the DVD and it comes with

two discs You can basically take the disc that

the movie is on and break it in half because

on the second disc is an extraordinary panel

and interview with about 10 to 12 of our favorite

voice actors from growing up and Maurice LaMarche

does and exquisite Orson Welles Warming up his

voice impression and and that's where that's

where our giggles came from was remembering that

Oh, no. Well, see, that's the thing. The brain

from Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, that voice

that Maurice does for the brain is essentially

an Orson Welles, not impersonation, but it's

Orson Welles inspired. Yep. Yep. All right. Earlier

this month, we had several episodes. We had the

first back issue classics where Joe and I...

talked about Krang war and the regular micro

series volume two. Um, we had a really awesome

interview with IDW turtles editor and other,

I forget what other, actually it's funny. He,

he has some story credits coming up as we go

through these. Yeah. I'd only just learned who

he was before this and I think I've seen his

name on just about everything. I need to go dig

it up to double -check. Oh yeah, his name is

on everything as the editor. Well, I mean Ghostbusters

and all that other stuff. I don't know. Oh, I'm

not sure about Ghostbusters. I didn't know about

the turtle stuff. But yeah, we talked with Bobby

Kernow earlier this month. We also, my buddy

JT and I went over and got some new animated

adventures for turtle stuff. This has basically

been a turtle month with Batgirl and Nightwing

shoved in there for good measure. It's basically

what June has been for this year. Well, we are

celebrating their 30th year, so it's okay that

we focus on them. The rest of the world is. Yes,

exactly. There's so many 30th anniversaries this

year that really are. You've got Turtles, Transformers,

Voltron's 30th anniversary is this year. Really?

I thought that was older in Japan before it came

here. Golion is older, but Voltron, the United

States, the five lions that we grew up with is

30 years old this year. Surprisingly... A 20

year anniversary is Spider -Man the Animated

Series. So yeah, that's what's pretty much going

on with us. And as I said earlier, we're going

to be doing a secret history of the Foot Clan.

We'll be back after this. Who the heck are you

guys? Perhaps I can best explain. The story of

my young friends and I is really the story of

a man named Hamato Yoshi. In Japan, there is

a ninja clan known as the Foot. Amato Yoshi was

their Shidoshi, teacher of the warrior ways of

enlightenment. Yoshi was a quiet man who loved

art, but one student sought to usurp his leadership

of the Foot clan. Oroku Saki. Then one day, a

master sensei, a teacher, visited the Foot School.

And Oroku Saki made his move. Impudent dog! Bow

before our beloved master! So, you plot to kill

our honorable Sensei? Disgraceful! For this misdeed,

you should be banished from the Foot Clan altogether!

What say you, all wise sensei? I say, throw the

bomb out! Alright, we are back in Secret History

of the Foot Clan. This takes place right after

Crangwar, correct? I do believe. Now I gotta

pull up that reading order. Well that's the last

one we... Yeah, I was praying more in the end.

What were your initial impressions when you first

read this? Did you have any opinion either way?

Is this something that you were waiting for them

to do? No. When the solicitations came out, Comic

Shop News, I saw the Secret History of Foot Clan,

and whenever a book does a subtitle like that,

it's like, okay, this is happening separate from

the continuing series. I don't need to pay a

lot of attention to it. You know, of course,

because it's a great book, yeah, I'll be buying

it. it and yeah I'll be reading it but I assumed

it was going to be off to the side and not as

important but oh boy was I wrong about that I

was not in like who cares about where the foot

clan came from was kind of my attitude with that

and yeah yeah I was I was wrong according to

the reading order we were we will cover this

next time when we do city fall part one but we

were supposed to have read crying mill and micro

series crying before secret history but secret

history is basically its own thing but i think

i read that yeah it does it is it definitely

is its own thing and have yeah and and so is

crying and so is crying i mean crying doesn't

really set anything up so we're pretty fine pretty

much fine for when we get to city fall and all

that stuff will pick crying up then i guess oh

yeah most definitely um so secret history of

the foot clan the cover on the trade is um Shredder

along with the turtles and um Kitsune. Tangshin.

No that's Tangshin dude. I know I know I know

it's Kitsune but it there are several panels

in this that make me think that it a few of the

things mean that it's it's uh Tang Shen it's

supposed to be some sort of evil spirit of Tang

Shen or something, but I know she's not dead

yet. Oh Yeah, that's true. I will I will I will

say that that's definitely not her So we start

out that's my vote anyway, yeah, no, that's We

start out in the you clan And at this point,

when I still thought I didn't want to read this

book, I'm like, what's the Yu clan? Who cares

what they are? And then, ruled by the Daimyo

Ashikaga, I'm going, okay, crap, there's Japanese

names and I'm never gonna remember who anybody

is. I can pronounce them, but I'm not going to

remember them. Which was why a second reading

totally cleared this up for me. Yeah, absolutely.

So we start with the UCLan. The art in this is

amazing. And I didn't realize it until you showed

me that software. I mean, I read comics, I rarely

study the art, but that is attempting. What's

that program called? Yeah, what Joe's talking

about, ladies and gentlemen, is I showed him

Comixology .com and their Guided View technology

that they use, how it goes panel by... Panel

and I blew his mind wide open to the art So basically

we start with the you clan and we get a whole

little story here Enjoying considerable support

from the samurai class a Chicago was well on

his way to becoming Shogun instead of ruling

Japan. However, he was brutally murdered and

after his death his entire clan simply vanished

Foot ninja vanished now without a trace I know

you you really want tattoo in this but It's all

I can think of every time I see ninja vanish.

That's all I can think of his tattoo for the

movie So, the story here is that Ashikage sent

Tatsu off on a mission to the mountains and kill

the thieves. It was, of course, a trap. To kill

one man, Ashikage had sent a legion of warriors.

And didn't turn out so well for the warriors.

Not a lot of them, anyway. No. Because Takeshi

Tatsuo was not an ordinary man. He surprised

his attackers and flew into battle like a man

possessed. So this is basically what we will

come to know as Shredder, correct? Yes. Maybe

we should have tagged that. Huge spoiler. I don't

know, do we? We don't know that yet. We don't

know who this guy is or why he's important right

by by this legion of troops he's Just completely

destroyed. I think they in fact leave because

they think he's dead. He lost a leg leading profusely

and we see him getting dragged away and The next

page we see him alive waking up with more facial

hair than he had before and his leg has grown

back not the skin yet apparently by that last

panel beautiful panel oh yeah but he's surprised

to find himself whole alive he's become whole

once more Um, yeah, this must have been like

six months or so since that I don't know how

long I don't know what the time passage is cuz

yeah It's kind of like um, it's kind of like

when TV shows if a TV season goes You know if

the season ends with one character Being clean

-shaven then season two comes back and he's got

a full beard You can tell the actor has been

shaving for all the time that shows but off the

air But yeah, he's got a bandaged foot with green

cuts on it, which is basically... He's mutated.

Well, he doesn't change into a super being yet.

Ah, good ol' Kevin Nash. But this damaged foot

of his is what gives him the symbol and the slogan

and the... not the slogan, but the symbol and

the... uh the new direction of the foot clan

i just love that little nod that basically the

foot clan is named after his own damn damn bloody

footprint on the head sheet thing and i do i

do love this thing i i wouldn't have noticed

it uh without talking to david peterson at a

con a while ago you can see the artist's fingerprints

in how that footprint was made on the comic page.

That's ink on his thumb to shape that out to

make it look more organic. I thought that was

a nice touch. You see that? Yeah, that's amazing.

David Peterson uses it for smoke from Little

Mice's pipes. He will smear it with his thumb

and you can see his fingerprint in it. Oh wow,

that's one way of marking your own work. Heck

yeah. Oh yeah, that's pretty awesome. So, after

we get the beginnings of the Foot Clan, we go

to present day for the fact that this whole introduction

is apparently part of a lecture from some professor.

I was really hoping. Really hoping that they

would have made it professor Jordan Perry. I'm

really hoping That would have been just a nice

little nod or oh man, you know, Jordan Perry

should have been Not a chat future. Yeah, that

would have been Oh, man, that'd have been neat

cuz it had changed the movie for me We know it

he I have a feeling and We're gonna have to find

out now that IDW can't license from the movies.

I wonder, because it's New Line. New Line might

own all those unique characters. Interesting.

However, Nickelodeon did have Razor in it, so

maybe not. Now that I think harder about that.

Yeah? Well, Nickelodeon has... No. Well... Nickelodeon

has everything Ninja Turtles, but I don't know...

Do they have the movie rights? We'll have to

look into that, ladies and gentlemen. I don't...

I honestly don't know. Because... Well, the...

What's the new movie gonna be? It's a Nickelodeon

flick. The new live -action? Yep. So then they

must own the... The movie rights. I mean if they

put razor in the cartoon. Yep. Yeah. Well, yeah,

they it's cuz well the the movies the old movies

same Marvel light or mirage licensing but Who

knows who gets the credit for creating the unique

characters? We'll have to I'm interested now

gives me homework. Give us homework. Let's go

Yeah, well, yeah, we'll have to look into that.

So Yeah, we get this professor dude talking about

Makes for a good story doesn't it ninjas and

samurai deception betrayal and revenge the stuff

of legends But legends are often born out of

truth and looking for that truth can lead you

to places you didn't expect like hidden temples

All as I can think of is um, yeah That old Nick

at Night game show. Legend of the Hidden Temple.

Go back. The big talking rock. I remember that.

Come children, crawl around inside my temple.

Yes, exactly. So Dr. Miller. We got Casey and

April in the audience. So this is supposed to

be college, right? I assume yeah, this is probably

a on loan speaker coming to visit the school

and They the Ninja Turtles have Snuck sneaked

snuck what's the past tense of that? Okay, they're

way in and are hiding in the rafters listening

to the thing See, but that's the price the one

problem. I have with this this whole thing is

that that panel of them looking over where Mikey's

like dude Mikey shh I want to hear this it looks

like they're it doesn't look like they're in

like the rafters of the ceiling of the place

because it doesn't look high up enough it looks

like they're They're sitting in seats or it really

looks like that. And I'm thinking if, if this

is a college auditorium for a professor, first

of all, how does the professor not see them?

Even though there's, it looks like there's giant

bright stage lights shining. It's kind of like

comedians when the stage lights shine on them

so that people can, you know, see them on television.

Um, that's what it looks like. And I'm like,

how can he not see the four giant green turtles?

at the top of the thing. He goes on to talk about

the pages of some secret history of the Foot

Clan, and he mentions Takeshi Tatsuo, and Casey's

like, oh wait, hold on, what's the shredder's

name again, or Okosaki? Are we sure? Yeah, we're

sure, yeah. I gotta say I I know you mentioned

that the art changes by arcs and I know this

is its own individual arc but I'm not liking

the direction it's cause Don't get me wrong.

I like it when different artists work on different

things at times, but some consistency would be

nice because this Story plus what we're gonna

do in City Fall and then Northampton and all

the micro series the villain micro series it's

all different and they By the time we get to

Northampton, I'm just gonna spoil this right

now They look like their heads look like giant

green eggs with bandanas. Oh I see that guy like

forgetting his name, did an arc earlier and they

looked better. This, the new Northampton run

of his art, it got a little cartoony in the wrong,

more cartoony My Little Pony, not cartoony Ninja

Turtles cartoon, unfortunately. And this, I think

this artist does the Japanese stuff in the past,

the flashback scenes and generally the humans

better than... I don't I'm not as big a fan of

the Ninja Turtles and each of them with their

unique mask You know, it's they're just they're

torn in a in a certain way to differentiate them

I'm not a fan of that but well like the panel

right here where where it's where where the professor's

talking about, it's not outside the realm of

possibility that Tadso formed the Foot Clan from

the remnants of the U Clan. That panel right

there where it has all four of them, and you're

talking about the different, you know, Leo's

is kind of like inverted, like his brows are

furrowed, like he's scowling at something, and

Donny's kind of looks like he's inquisitive,

Mikey looks like his eyes are gonna bust out

of his shell, and Raf just looks like he wants

to beat the hell out of somebody. Like he always

does. They always look like that because of the

shape of the mask, and that's... I mean, they

don't... I don't know. No, I know, but I'm just

saying, like, Raph's facial expression... Because

he always does look like he wants to beat the

crap out of people, but... Just the way these...

The way the bandanas are done, like, don't...

Give the turtles fit, like, mouths expressions

like they're doing here, like Leo's like... And

Mikey's like, ooh, where's the pizza? You know,

it's like, give their faces expressions. Don't

make the bandanas a part of their eyes because

while it is a part of their headgear, the bandana

shouldn't. Leo's is the most offensive to me.

And I don't mean offensive like, oh my God, I'm

being a whiny little bitch about it, but it should

never been like that. The dude doesn't have a

nose. You know and I the the the This shapes

underneath Raph's eyes again. That's my second

most offensive one out of out of all of them

But you know when when I say that it's it's just

by the fourth page. I ignore it So we get more

of the story from the professor And we see this

little kid running. And the guy that he ran into

says, you should always pay as much attention

to where you run as to what you run from, boy.

Now go. Now go before I change my mind. Now is

that supposed to be Takeshi? No, I think we flashed

forward and that's Hamato Yoshi. Oh, the... Right,

but what I'm asking is the guy that he ran into.

No, the little kid ran into Hamata Yoshi. That's

why he's doing kind of a kind and understanding

thing, and this is repulsive, Matsuyo. These

people are not a threat to our objective, and

slaughtering them is a dishonor, because, you

know, he might have an anger issue, but he's

a decent guy. No, that's a Roku Maji. That's

who that was. Oh, you're right. That's that's

I looked at the next panel where he says his

name Okay, no, that's not him. I thought Yoshi

couldn't be around yet. Yeah, he's not around

that the boy might be Hamato Yoshi the I can

see the boy being Hamato Yoshi, but Okay, yeah,

that's Magi. Yeah. When we see Oroko Magi and

see Oroko's name, we go, oh wait, now this guy,

he's a nice guy, but he's connected to the Shredder's

name. How do we rectify this? What's this going

on? I mean, for what we could have guessed this

story was about, it takes a totally different

direction, and here... You know, we have this

guy who we don't know who's an evil douchebag

who gets brought back to life and regrows a foot.

And then we have somebody who is very closely

related to Urokosaki, somehow just in the name

here, who is being a benevolent guy. Like, where

are they going with this for a story that's been

told for 30 years now? It's surprising us. It's

taking us a different place. Exactly. And that's

a good thing because this threw me a little while

because I'm so because I In order to prep for

the interview we did earlier this month. I read

everything starting with this All the way up

to issue 33. I've read everything so I'm like

caught up to present day But when I read this

I'm like, okay, so Takeshi Tatsuo is Was a real

guy. He he was himself and then what happens

later as we'll get to it is he They pull the

reincarnation trick again. Not that I mind that,

but they basically pull that again. So the village

is basic, you know, Oroko Maji is like, you know,

we should, you know, like use of these being

benevolent and we should let these people go.

And we've got this, this Fox looking, I'm like,

wait a second, Alopex isn't that old. Yeah. get

them confused occasionally, even though they're

completely unrelated and this one has three tails.

And there are a lot of Japanese legends about

multi -tailed foxes, nine -tailed foxes and three

-tailed foxes, which is why Tails in Sonic the

Hedgehog has two tails. It's a significant thing.

And it matters how many tails they have. And

I'm not familiar enough with the Japanese stuff

like that, but I am absolutely sure that this

means something and it means more than what I

can pick up and I'm I need to go you know read

more books but I mean like real books not these

picture books so so we have this is what happens

Lord Dasuki when you try to deny a god you should

have simply given the foot these lands without

resistance perhaps i would have been merciful

and the lord says you're not capable of mercy

uh and you are no god it wasn't it was my honor

to deny you and then um kitsun shows up the the

demon fox why is she wearing raf's red bandana

I don't see a bandana it's the red piece to the

left of her oh I think that might just be a tuft

of hair a red tuft or a collar of some kind hard

to see on that previous panel so So Takeshi says

our business here is done. You may tell your

iron demon that the lands he so wanted have been

acquired And So So kitsune to me and this is

just my personal, you know, this is just me reading

into it She's basically the turtles universe

version of catra from She -Ra princess of power

Okay, if you know she represents us power well

enough to reference that I I don't know what

to say to that I Mean Katra was one of Hordak's

evil warriors. She had a mask just like Kitsune

does she puts it on she turns into a giant cat

or in this Kitsune turns into a fox So after

they You know after we see kit soon and gives

the lands to the demon We again go back to present

day. We're apparently April and Casey are now

dating and She's saying to Casey that we should

talk to who we talk to the professor that's that's

right. Yeah, she wants them to talk to the professor

and the turtles are in the back saying yeah if

they don't have the movie rights seriously come

on now anyway why would why would you even think

he's got anything else he could help he will

guy hate it when you guys do that it's kind of

like That's an interview I would love to do I

would love to get Elias codeus at some point.

Oh my god. That would be so fun Well, we're ninjas

dude, it's totally habits I Mikey has become

so endearing to me in this series. Yeah, they

he is my least favorite turtle because he doesn't

I don't know. He's just the annoying obnoxious

one, but this entire series Took him in a different

direction. He's the one who has the heart. He's

Yeah The sunshine I don't know how that's cheesy

and terrible, but he's the heart of the team

and it just makes him like you said more endearing

Absolutely So we run into Dr. Miller. May I have

a moment of your time? I'm sorry young lady,

but I'm in a bit of a rush Then I shall be brief

and we see a more adult cry because holy crap

She's wearing heels and almost a very very short

skirt I Don't think I've seen is it just me have

we seen her outside of her dojo uniforms. I don't

think so And you know, wow, that's that's crazy.

Christ, kind of hot now. And the way that she's

drawn in that panel, she looks like her chest

is going to burst out of that shirt. She goes

on to say I represent a private party who shares

your interest from the as you know, Himitsu.

I hope I said that right. Yep. In fact, he has

acquired some of the books pages himself and

would very much appreciate your appraisal So

we go back to the church And And We don't see

in the church panel. We don't see which turtle

is talking, but he mentions that the professor

talked about a witch And Splinter basically pipes

up and says, Kitsune, and... How did you know

that? Yeah, how did you know that? My master

Masato had told me tales of Kitsune and the decades

of darkness the Foot Clan endured while I lied

with her. Alright, so this is the first real

glimpse of Splinter we've had in this. With Santalugo's

art. Does he look like a rat or a dog? Those

ears aren't right But this is one of my I prefer

this look of splinter to a lot of the other ones

Yeah, he The close -up here When he's talking

about the decades of darkness His his bone structure

on his face the way his face is shaped and drawn

it looks He kind of looks like a fat greyhound.

Not that I think that we've ever... I don't think

there's ever been a fat greyhound, but just the

way his head looks. Again, I'm not complaining.

It's not as... It's not as off -putting as some

of the other versions of him. I do like it. But

he does mention more about Kitsune and her fox

-like abilities. And I swear, she looks just

like Tangshan. I know she's not Tangshan, but

she looks just like her. Yeah, it's one of the

many reasons I have I had a hard time with this

and would have in a hard time with other it's

not just San Toluco's art, but you know it one

Japanese man looks like another Japanese man

in these books And so I didn't know who was who

and and I guess that you know here we go It's

a it's a pale -skinned Japanese woman in a kimono

just like every other Japanese woman in a kimono

in this book It's you know you deal with it.

I suppose or or or read it three times and figure

it out like I did because now I got it now I

think I'm down so so we get you know after we

see Kitsune and Splinter's explanation we get

it happens once each month brothers and always

during the full moon Lord Takeshi locks himself

away while the witch travels west with an empty

satchel. Two days later she returns with it full

and only then does he emerge. I wonder why? It

is the way of her magic it must be. She's bringing

him power from the demon she serves. So basically

all these guys are wanting to overthrow him.

they think because he is old now and tired and

They want to basically overthrow him before she

gives him this power potion I think yeah, there's

the moral questions that they don't like the

direction that the you clan now the foot clan

is taking that we had the the Oroko maji who

was I think he's kind of leading this group of

people saying, you know there's something magical

going on we're not okay with magic i don't like

burning these cities down maybe we should go

interrupt this thing that she's doing yeah it's

kind of like um maybe we should hire godzilla

to kill him oh lord uh so we have um Takeshi

saying I'm tired of submitting to the will of

your demon in order to prolong my life servitude

is too great a price to pay for immortality and

As he's drinking this he immediately grows younger

It's so basically this green goop is the 16th

century just for men The thing that I should

have noticed while reading this the first time

but did not Read it did not notice until this

time is it's green and it's glowing just like

the turtles mutagen and some of the other instances

of ooze Occurring like the the stuff that the

ootroms float in is green and glowing That leads

you to believe the iron demon is somebody yeah,

I think we'll get to that at some point He says

there must be something Permanent that can be

done. I refuse to go on like this. I am good

I Well when he's I refuse to go on like this

there is a moment of hesitation with this Tetsuo

guy he's Living immortally. He wants this power,

but he doesn't want to do it this way anymore

and I I almost wonder if in 2535 issues something

like this is going to be a way out for some of

our other characters that you know they're they're

restoring themselves but you know I don't know

it's kind of a it might just be a throwaway line

but Kitsune is doing something and to him and

he doesn't exactly want it done anymore He doesn't

sound like somebody who wants to hold onto this

power. I know he wants to make it permanent,

but... Yeah, he wants to hold onto the power

and make it permanent without having to deal

with the Iron Giant. Because this Iron Giant

that we'll come into later is no Superman. We

will find a better way, my lord, I swear it.

Magi had witnessed the secret to Takeshi's power

and formed a strategy, a surprise attack. The

following month before Tatsuo could complete

his transformation, they attacked. And if it

wasn't, I swear, if it wasn't for the fact that

Tatsuo is a Japanese man and he had his hair

in his little ponytail, you know, a little Japanese

ponytail thing, I would have sworn that's old

Ben Kenobi. Old Ben Kenobi can whip out a samurai

sword over a lightsaber and I'd be OK with that.

No, you will pay for this treachery or Okomaji.

So we we get You will all pay we get Takeshi

and kid soon in her Fox form So we get this giant

battle we get these words You know nothing boy

all I do I do for the glory of the foot clan

I love the the panel where the two of them are

sword to sword. Yeah That probably looks really

good in your magic comic viewer that makes it

big. It's like one inch wide in my book. On the

single page, it doesn't look as cool. Neither

on the double page. In the guided view, it goes

panel by panel. It's just that image Falling

up close without having to like do some weird

zoom technology, and it looks so great So we

get to You know they say Glory the foot clan

Glory is not the most important thing Lord Takeshi

those of us with one but with one with but one

lifetime already know this Honor is what truly

matters. It is all we have that is ours. And

then Takeshi once again, the guy that viewed

technology, you can really see the lines in his

face. And dude, it's so amazing. And Maggi says,

in your way has dishonored us all enough. And

Kitsune says, you do not know what you have done,

Urokomaji. I restored honor to the foot clan,

which and killed a man who should have been dead

long ago. Honor? No, you have brought disgrace

to our house. And mark my words, boy, Takeshi

Tatsuo will be avenged. And she goes jumping

off, looking like a seven -legged crab. It looks...

Don't know she's supposed to be jumping out of

the window right yeah onto a roof See it looks

like she's Okay, yeah, she's supposed to be climbing

up even here in the zoomed -in image. It just

looks weird Very important line here your own

house will be the death of you As she yeah curses

running away So we go back to Turtles and Casey

and April and Splinter, and Splinter says from

there, Masters Magi and Maseno set the Foot Clan

on a path of honor, a path I was proud to walk

with them. It still mystifies me that Magi's

own son would be the one to turn the clan back

to the dark days of its founder. Hey, maybe the

kid got zapped by some of that black magic the

professor dude was talking about. Oh, come on,

there's got to be a better explanation than magic.

Yeah, because magic can turn some chicken into

a giant fox, but it can never make anybody turn

evil or nothing. I don't mind that line coming

from Donnie, because that's who it comes from,

because Donnie is always the skeptic. He wants

a scientific proof. But yeah, you're right. Good

yeah, we can't we can't I don't want to I don't

want to spoil this yet, but yeah Donnie's always

despite the fact that they're Mutated turtles

and by this point. He's pretty sure everybody's

reincarnated He still wants that concrete thing.

He's still not willing to accept magic. I Think

he's got a you know until it's the what's Occam's

razor the most likely answer is probably the

right one and so he has to eliminate everything

else before he'll believe that Exactly, that's

who Donnie is Yeah, and we love him for it So

April wants to go back to to see dr. Miller and

see what else he has on the foot clan and Casey's

got a bad gut feeling about this he's not too

Not too thrilled that she wants to go back and

Leo wants to go Donnie's like you have fun with

that Leo. I have a little project of my own to

keep me busy And poor Mikey in the background.

Yeah, I'm kind of wiped with all this history

stuff What I love about this this image though,

it only shows the three out of the four turtles

and splinter in that in what I just read about

Mikey. And then we cut to the panel where it's

Casey and Raph. And Casey's like, dude, am I

crazy? And Raph just tells him, no, you gotta

trust your gut. So we go to Dr. Miller's... apartment.

He's debating on whether he has a choice or not.

Whether he should trust Kirai. Now, I don't know

how close up in the book it is on her business

card. First of all, why does the ninja lady have

a business card? Second of all, Oroko Kirai is

her name? Yep. Like seriously? Yeah, she's in

the family. I know she's in the family, but why

would her... So if Karai is her last name and

everybody calls her Karai, why would her first

name be... In Japan, the surname comes first

and then the person's name comes after that.

So Oroku is the family name and Karai is her

name. So in a dojo, she would be called Sensei

Oroku. But informally, she would be called Karai.

And she'd probably be called Karai whenever Shredder's

in the room, because he would then be the Oroku,

who you'd name. And I think they have a business

card, because he does... Well, the Oroku family

has a legitimate business front. And it's...

Karai's kind of corrupting that and... You know,

we find out later what her complete role in the

corruption of the family name is, but... I don't

think we find that out in this story. We find

that out later. Yeah, yeah, it cries one shot,

which I think we've read yet. I know, but...

Well, I've read everything. We haven't covered

it yet. We won't cover it until I think either

City Fall Part 1 or Part 2, I forget. So... Dr.

Miller is still kind of stressing we go to the

foot clan compound and shredder base it is the

This is really the first time we've seen present

-day shredder and this entire story to this point

We already saw Karai He says you are questioning

my judgment and she goes I have delivered them.

Oh, no, I delivered the the mutation uh the the

invitation master but i do not see why you allow

this man to live um his research could expose

us and then he asks her to you questions and

she says no um because shredder basically wants

to use this guy um and alopex who Okay, I know

Kitsune and Alopex are not related. I know Alopex

used to be an actual fox before she got mutated,

but... Read between the lines, people. Takeshi

had a fox in Kitsune and now Orokosaki has...

Alopex. It's like shades of the past coming to

the present. He has a thing for foxes. Shredder's

a hound dog. Alapex doesn't understand what he's

talking about. He says, Power Alapex, I am looking

for a power the Foot Clan should never have lost.

And may his gods help the man that he cannot

find it for me. So we then go to... Kid soon.

Oh, I like the way that the panels are drawn

differently in the flashbacks They're rougher

look like brushstrokes instead of Digital precisely

drawn computer lines. That's kind of neat Yep

And she says She says to her her green tentacle

master, I know it's not really it's it's green

smoke here, but The foot clan has been usurped,

and I must prepare to exact my revenge. I cannot

provide you with what you require at this time,

but I swear our agreement will be... honored.

And, uh... We have a giant Krangbot saying I'm

listening. This is the Iron Demon. Which blew

my mind! Yeah! And... What I need to know, okay,

this is 15th century Japan. Is this Krang, or

is it just another Utram? Or is it Krang's father?

Or is it Krang's father? And you know, it's in

a bot that looks, it's derived from the 80s cartoon

version of Krang's body with the little fork

on the head and the purple eyeglasses. But you

know, we're not sure who this is, and I don't

think we ever find out who this is. Not yet,

but the beautiful thing About this is that it's

tying everything together like this book does

so incredibly well Shredder's been drinking the

not the mutation ooze, but the healing ooze because

there's apparently different kinds that and Well,

this also says here, okay, in 15th century Japan,

apparently it's this, I would have to guess it's

as many years have passed in wherever Utram or

Neutrino is where these wars are going on. That

army that disappeared, the whole clan that disappeared

in the beginning of the book, I think went to

the armies on their planet and that they were

using the samurais and the ninjas to fight their

battles for them. Wow, that's interesting Holy

crap. I did not even expect that kind of explanation,

but that that could be I think that's what he's

trying or she's trying to do for him is provide

him with an army Yeah, provide him with troops.

Yeah, because what's always doing he's getting

stone soldiers to do is fighting for him He's

getting other people that you know, that's just

what the utroms do Right, but what if all of

the you clan that disappeared? What if they became

stone soldiers? They might have at some point

well in the beginning of the series the stone

soldiers are humans who have been receiving a

rock serum that Baxter developed Right, but that's

what I'm saying It might have been in like an

earlier version of it. Yeah. Yeah. All right,

so that All of this, ladies and gentlemen, we've

just talked about is just the first chapter.

Just the first. Like, how did they fit so much

into one chapter? Because I was like, wait a

second, this can't be. And then I switched to

the next panel and it says two at the top. Like,

seriously, we're only into the first. We're only

just getting out of the first issue of this four

issue miniseries. Um, the art. Is it because

they're outside, or is it just me, or is the

art for current day city changed? Was it a different

artist in this issue? Nope, nope. Still Santolucco.

Okay, because... April and Casey, and even the

turtles. Well, Raph still has that spider -looking

mask on his... The thing coming down his eye

is part of his bandana, but April looks different

in this. Casey looks the same. Casey looks like

he's actually put on a little weight. He's just

slouching. I know, but it looks like he's got

a turkey gut from Thanksgiving. So we basically

have them, okay, what exactly are we going to

ask the professor? You know, Casey, you don't

have to come. I'm a team player, April, you know.

Guys, this isn't... Guys, look, isn't that Dr.

Miller? That's him. He's talking to someone.

The way she moves, it looks like... And we see

this giant... It's Karai! And, uh, yeah, it's

looking pretty friendly with her, too. I knew

my gut was on to something. Look at Casey's eyes.

Oh my god. Look at all Casey Leo and Raph's eyes.

Oh my god That is some of the worst eye bulging

I've ever seen. I'm sorry. Ladies and gentlemen,

I And Joe, you know, I don't generally make like

negative comments about the art but oh My god,

yeah, he's on the three of them look so weird

So they don't want to get discovered so they

follow them and i still cannot get over that

they're using april's van from their original

movie she's had that van since issue i know i

know it gets cool yeah i know i know it's so

i mean issue three of like 1985 she's had that

van oh like all the way back Yeah, yeah. The

issue three, I think has it's the car chase episode

or car chase issue of the Mirage book and the

turtles and April are in the van and driving

through a big car chase scene. It's phenomenal.

Again, that they're pulling from that bit of

history. It's probably her dad's van, I would

imagine, by this point. But probably, but still.

Oh, yeah. Well, like I said. Like, for me, it's

the first time I ever saw it was the movie, so...

And I think it's the origin for the original

Turtle Van. I think the Turtle Van is always,

from the 80s cartoon, always meant to be a modified

Volkswagen bus. Yeah. Oh, absolutely, yeah. So

they're gonna follow Karai, and... So we get

to the inside of this limo, and... Karai's not

looking too happy. The professor's trying to

joke. He's like, so are all these men here for

me? I'm just a professor, not a master spy. He

looks up to one of them tough room. Dr. Miller,

we require your expertise, not your humor. Let

us continue this ride in silence. I wonder if

this is the beginning of Karai realizing that

she's not as important as she wants to be. in

the organization, that he's having her go fetch

other people all the time. Which begins to repeat

itself in City at War. City Fall. Yeah. Man.

Subtitles. But yeah, this would most likely be

the beginning. And I absolutely love... this

comic how they not not not just this one specifically

with the entire series How they don't actually

show the Japanese or the foreign language. They

just put it and put it little parentheses to

to read, you know To have us as the readers obviously

get what she's saying without you know, and I

mean, you know, everybody knows hi I mean, you

know the driver says hi to her as far as you

know as far as him understanding and April won't

lose them and they get into this mad chase You

know crying her other ones are like prepare for

battle and the person like who what who are you

people? Like he I think he should have figured

it out by then yeah You think he would have figured

it out when the giant ninjas jump out of the

sun roof of the limo and onto the van and Casey's

like incoming yeah case we ain't blind I love

RAF. I love all four of the turtles in this series.

So good. So we have a giant car van chase battle

scene. And the turtles fighting on top of vans

and cars. Wow. Beautiful drawings in this. The

panel part where Raph lands in front of the van

and Leo's still on top of it and the foot soldiers

are falling. It's so, so awesome. The way that,

is it Saint Luke? Yep. The way that he has drawn

Raphael and the way that colors him Raph, he

almost reminds me of movie Raph in that image.

It's the, It's the top of the page before Korai

attacks them. The middle panel there. It's absolutely

amazing. Really, really is. So, Raf's like, well,

look who it is, lowly beast. Oh, you're gonna

hurt my feelings talking like that. Geo's perhaps

I should hurt something else. So Donnie has created

it's not this isn't said here, but it's only

cuz I've already read this that I know this Donnie

has created this trackable throwing star and

RAF tries to throw it And he basically hits the

professor's briefcase with it I was not expecting

Karai to pull out a bow and arrow though. I Love

that. I love those the panels, especially the

one where she's aiming. Oh Yeah absolutely it's

like i'm going to win the archery contest and

get a kiss from made marion oh wait oops wrong

continuity um so she basically shoots an arrow

into the tire and that's going to be the best

looking flat tire i've ever seen uh the i don't

know how the van comes back honestly i mean this

van is Don't know how gack face and hoes brain

are gonna fix this honestly Are you it's it are

you two okay? We have to you guys get after him.

I'll check April out. You'll what now? Yeah,

I had a line before I don't think that's the

first time we've said those lines, actually.

No, it isn't. We've said them before. Sorry,

listeners. It's all right. They're good lines.

Oh, just wait till next year because Comic Terry's

are coming to the pull bag next year in 2015.

So because of this throwing star thingamajig

that landed in the professor's briefcase we have

Raph Using what the back of it looks like a makeshift

transistor radio and the front looks like a giant

iPad or Android tablet The only thing that made

that better is if that were Google Earth And

we planted a tracker on them and so we go to

the next panel here on the Comixology guided

view it shows like the things stuck right into

the briefcase where the professor says I don't

understand why did you bring me here what do

you really want from me now Cry is fairly intelligent.

She's not you know She's no generic no -name

foot soldier that can just you know explode at

a random well She might explode, but that's a

completely different comic It's much fanfiction

right there But how does she not notice the green

glowing coming out of the guy's case? Like he's

his case is right by his foot, and she's looking

right at him it's not like it's directly on well

i guess from her angle it might be under the

desk but like from where we're looking at it

it's like why doesn't anybody see this thing

um now why does shredder say this welcome miller

sensei sensei is uh a word you use for one who

has come before and so it's if you know more

than somebody else or so if somebody else knows

more than you they would be sensei to you and

So he's giving him that side of respect because

he knows about that book and he's figured things

out that even shredder hasn't figured out from

what he has Even though usually in the light

of day or the light of battle when shredders

overall design is is shown To be you know a giant

snuggie Over his blue and black outfit Even though

I don't like it usually when he's in the light

when he's in the shadows this looks amazing It

really really does I'm $200 away from having

a tool in the garage where I can make steel armor

and Looking at the way that the gauntlets and

the shoulder pads are drawn in this I really

wanna make a set. I really do. And the helmet,

I'd have to think about that, figure that out.

That's a slightly different job, but... I was

gonna say, then I guess you and your wife and

your son are gonna be having a bunch of picnics

with a whole bunch of coleslaw, right? Shred,

shred, shred. Now, the helmet is something really

weird because the helmet on the faraway shot

where he says, welcome Miller Sensei, It looks

cool. It looks cool in the darkness. And then

we have the whole thing about him apologizing

for the stress that, you know, he was put that

this, that Miller was put under and cry shows

him a giant briefcase of money. Like, you know,

all ninjas do. Um, we get to the next panel here

where, um, uh, shredder says you've simply found

what you've been looking for. Doctor this panel

here, it's, it might just be me, but I swear.

santa luco was going for the super shredder helmet

from not the actual super sure the redesign regular

shredder and turtles to Because it looks more.

It's more jagged in this close -up It's the I'm

trying to think I'm trying to think in your terms

It's got the sobly well the the second one had

the saw blades that he sharpened on the grinder

in the junkyard Right. It's the top of that page

Before he goes to We are the before he comes

out of the shadows. It looks like a little bit

like the saw blade it's not directly the side

saw blade and Shredder says we are the foot clan

and press like impossible and see in the light

in the light Take the snuggie off shredder seriously

take it off You don't need to be wearing a snuggie

in the middle of the damn day. It just looks

so... It'd be different if the red thing on his...

Where he's saying, um, we have been following

your work, Doctor. You have found things that

have been lost. Even to us. His face looks fine.

His helmet. His face mask. All that looks fine.

His shoulder shears look fine. It's just the

damn red. You wanted to have less of that. I

wanted to look more of a and less of a turtleneck

Yeah, I wanted to be more of a cloak and less

than a turtleneck and it really it's see the

problem I have with it. It looks like he's wearing

a Quilt yeah, that's you could go that route.

I was gonna say it looks like he stole the lady

in the red dress his dress and he put his head

through her arm sleeve is what it looks like

and then it constantly changes because in the

next panel it looks like there's more of it oh

my i'm sorry ladies and gentlemen i don't mean

to bitch about this red thing that shredder's

wearing but it just is the one thing that bugs

me about this entire series why can't we just

have Cloak that is on the back of him that is

kind of like what the movie was that kind of

you know folds down past to reveal his Shoulder

shredders is the best term I can use for them

So they talk about this book and then we go back

to job I would assume this is feudal Japan still

yep. Yeah, I don't You know, 15th, 16th century,

whichever. When I think of Feudalism and all,

I can think about it as that stupid daimyo in

the third movie. I need to watch that movie again.

I'm scared of that in the second one. I don't

like watching it. You need to wait. You really

need to wait, because I have plans for us to

do commentaries on those. Oh, that'd be cool.

At this flashback here, this is where I really

got lost the first time through the book, and...

Needed to come back for this second time through

to figure out what was going on So we see the

outside of the temple and the speech balloon

says now young Saki and we pan in to see the

very Buddhist thing to do when there's a small

child and they need to test if he's reincarnated

a bunch of objects laid out on the table which

of these belongs to you and so a Roku Maji's

son Saki Looking at this. This is mine. This

is mine and then he picks up that foot clan book

and says and I wrote this and I didn't know who

this was or what the significance of this scene

was But you know reading it a second time Kitsune

jumps out the window and says your house will

be your own downfall and now his son Orokosaki

Who we know who he becomes? ends up picking a

bunch of Takeshi Tetsuo's old things. So Orokosaki

is a reincarnation of the guy who had his foot

cut off and re -grew it and was taking that immortality

serum and who really jacked up the Foot Clan.

Here he's an innocent child of the benevolent

Orokomaji, and I totally missed that the first

time. Oh, I got it! Good for you. That's you

must have been she must have been like speed

reading through this the first time because I

I totally bad at this kind of thing I it's I

movies are just as bad for me. I I got it, but

what I don't get is how how Whoever Maji's wife

or whatever 15th century hooker he picked up.

How is this kid? the reincarnation of Takeshi.

Like, that's what I noticed. Like, how did the

spirit of Takeshi impregnate Maji's lover or

whatever? I don't get the logistics of it. I'm

basically pulling a Donatello here. I can believe

in the magic. I can believe in the fact that

this is a reincarnated version of Takeshi. I

just don't get the physicality of it all. Well,

his wife, he must have had this kid after...

he murdered the old Takeshi Tetsuo and it's a

part of the curse that Kitsune put on Maji after

he killed Tetsuo and so that's where or that's

the why it happened is you know the beautiful

thing about Having the crank show up or having

some ootram show up at the end of that issue

is it's giving science to why that dude was drinking

the potion to make him immortal it makes Technological

sense, but there's still magic in the way that

these people are being reincarnated and whatever

kitsune is which we haven't had that answered

yet There's still magic and weird things that

that happen And Magi even says, you know, the

witch's curse is born fruit. And that's in his

own son. And he vows to make his son, you know,

better. You know, time will tell of what kind

of man your son will become. And not a very good

one. Not a very good one. and now here we see

adult yoshi and adult shen yay i still think

that's i know it's not but there's this scene

and then there's another scene later like much

later where leonardo sees what i assume is kitsune

and and shen i swear there's another panel further

down when we get into City Fall, not trying to

really spoil City Fall for anybody, but there's

a further panel when Leo is doing his soul -searching

between being, because we already know that Shredder

wants to make him his choon -in or chow -nin

or whatever, however the hell you say that word,

you know... There's a panel where you see kitsune

and Shen side -by -side and I swear it's the

exact same damn design They're just wearing different

clothes I'll have to see that when I get to that

point. Yeah the and You know, we're I'm flashing

ahead here kudos to the series again when Leo's

doing his soul -searching His mom is a big part

of that And I really like that they're making

both of the Turtles' parents important. Both

of those. Both of Mato Yoshi and Tang Shen. Absolutely.

So we see an adult Oroko Saki as well. And he's

talking about Oshi's guards were almost a challenge.

Still, the contract could hardly have been completed

without my involvement. And Shen says, I'm surprised

he hasn't taken credit for the entire mission.

I do wish you'd correct him, Yoshi. I would,

my love, but I find that I prefer his boasting

his attempts at conversation. And he says, Yoshi

says, I must speak with Master Masato. I will

return in a moment, and Saki comes up to her

and... and this is kind of hints that um it's

hinted at and it's very quickly kicked aside

it's like punching somebody in the gut that they

don't even pay that much attention to this but

this is kind of paying homage to the the cartoon

side of the story about You know, I don't know,

not the card to the movie side of the story where,

you know, they say that they, you know, that

they fought, you know, for the love of a woman

and blah, blah, blah, blah. And Saki comes up

to her and basically tries to put his hand around

her waist and says, has Yoshi left you all alone?

And she basically backhands him. What did the

five fingers say to the face? Yeah. Yoshi comes

up and This scene here reminds me, you know,

he He grabs sake's hand and throws him down this

scene here remind if Yoshi's I don't that's not

it's not a kimono. They're wearing is it? Yeah,

they're kimonos Okay, if Yoshi's kimono was a

little bit more red It would look just like the

scene part of the scene in a cartoon series And

Saki says you have made a mistake, Hamato Yoshi,

and then the master comes in. This is not the

time for a fight, it's the time to celebrate,

and for more than just one reason. Yoshi, walk

your lovely wife home, and then join us at the

castle. Saki, come with me. Throw the bomb out!

I was waiting for that line. But they wouldn't

do that, it's a cheesy line. It's still funny

though. And Saki is... You can tell Saki is not

a full grown adult here. But he started it! You

must have more patience if you ever expect to

lead my son, and far more respect. But, Masters,

you requested my presence. Ah, Hamato Yoshi,

yes. First, allow me to offer my congratulations.

I hear you are to be a father soon. But that

was not why I summoned you. Uh, Oshi's assassination

was an important contract and a dangerous mission,

but it was a... it was also a trial. The council

has met and agreed it is time to increase your

responsibilities within the clan. Tomorrow, you

will both become our newest chunins. What him

I almost I almost felt like he should say what

him a filthy rat And This said the really really

sad thing is as soon as I saw this panel about

about sake saying what him I'm flashing to and

I know I shouldn't flash to this but rise of

Cobra when Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes are in

that constant battle as children. Anyway. You

know, and Maji's like, Rokosaki, wait Maji, if

they are to lead one day, they must learn to

work together now. Yoshi, go talk with Saki and

do not let this be time. be the time you fail

to control your own temper. That's a nice line.

Yeah, that too. And I appreciate this scene here

where they sit and have this normal conversation

about what's going to go on in the future. It's

almost giving them an opportunity to be friends,

to be equals and not trying to kill each other,

which they try to do for several lifetimes afterward.

So if Yoshi's... Surname is Hamato. Yep Masato

is not his father, right? No Masato. No, that's

just the head of the foot clan. Oh, that's the

old bits. Yeah, it's throw the bum out. Okay,

and that was Yoshi's master apparently or whatever

they call them But the and I guess the surname

thing there is one of the In the 2000 something

cartoon and when the battle Nexus starts and

splinter goes to the battle Nexus He there's

a point in that where he introduces himself as

Hamato splinter Because I don't isn't he he's

a rat in that he's not Hamato Yoshi in that one.

So he took his family's name but his his Individual

name is the kind of thing and that was a really

nice thing that they did. I think very Japanese

I'm surprised another I know this shadow is in

these upcoming panels. I know the shadow was

too far away I'm really surprised an animal shadow

isn't in the water as they're talking because

on that next panel here I recognize your anger

and I do not envy you Envy the struggle you will

have to conquer it in the background right there.

There's a fox and it's not alopex and Then you

go to the next part of the panel where Saki says

perhaps my destiny is not what I have always

believed after all in the background it's Kitsune

I do like them talking though here Yoshi and

Saki I do like that I think that's interesting

and We then go to, you know, Yoshi says, perhaps

meditation will help you find your way, it has

helped me find mine. And he goes to meditate

and we see some gang members have spray -painted

the wall, Oroko Saki, Tatsuo Takeshi. And we

see a fox basically come up to Saki. You will

find your legacy hidden in the floor. In the

floor? And again, this is the reason why I keep

thinking that Shen and Kitsune are the same person,

even though I know they're not, is because, number

one, they look so alike, but now they're in the

same timeline, because Kitsune is here and now

with what's going on with Yoshi and Saki. And

she hasn't aged at all. That's exactly why I

keep thinking it's that, yeah. So Saki finds

his, um, his destiny in the floor. Uh, and then

we go to turtles changing tires. I really was

hoping it would be Mikey trying to change it,

even though I knew it was gonna be Donnie. Oh,

and they're still tracking the ninja star here,

and I'm proud to see that the continuity holding

up here that it still looks like a transistor

radio from the back, but an iPad from the front.

Yep, exactly, and I love... You guys do know

you could have done this before we got here.

You had plenty of time. Sure we could have, you

know, except Donatello does machines. Are you

ever gonna let me live that screen name down?

I'm thinking no I love I love rat. I love the

way these guys interact with each other. Yeah,

it's It's this is well -lit and I think the Santa

Lugo's writing and Drawing and I think what he

does with the turtles is really good Absolutely,

and again, it's a continuity nod because it goes

back to the Donatello one -shot And the theme

song to the 80s cartoon Yep So Mikey's trying

to take credit for stuff that he didn't do He

asked so what's the deal with the with the professor

dude Leo says the foot took him He's you're working

with them or he's onto something valuable So

case and this is funny because Have we gotten

to the point where? No, we haven't gotten to

the point where Casey and April talk about their

future. Okay, that's way down the line But I

do love Casey kind of uses respect but doesn't

disrespect master splinter he says so what's

the plan coach? And with them breaking into what

is essentially the foot compound here, I am so

excited and happy to see a proactive splinter.

While I like the splinter who sits in the chair

and meditates and doesn't go out, I like to see

when things are so bad, he actually goes out

with them and not only does he go out, but as

they break into the foot compound, he just begins

kicking royal butt everywhere. because he's splinter

and he can do that. I'm reminded of the cartoon

series. You can bar - you can get through that?

Oh, we rats can burrow through anything. Gosh,

I don't remember that part. That's when they're

looking for the technodrome and they come up

against the giant wall and the turtles have to

go topside to find April. Yo, I'll remind you

somehow at some point. Casey's like maybe you

should because we're we're we're in the They're

in the I assume they're in an elevator Maybe

you should have stayed in the van. Maybe you

should have too Well, somebody's gonna try to

get the prof out of here while the guys deal

with The with arrow girl, right? Arrow. Oh, correct.

No, correct. I For some reason I'm thinking alopex

but and that's why i came i might not find the

hockey he might not find the hockey mask as charming

as i do uh and then the elevator opens ding oh

nuts poor mike poor mikey he just can't get a

break trick or treat that's the best you can

come up with Seriously, you had a whole climb

to think of something better. I was gonna follow

it with smell my feet, get it? Because... Mikey,

focus. And again, the banter here is delightfully

appropriate. It's so good. That bottom panel

is lovely as well. Mikey's doing a shell slide

between the legs of a foot soldier and... whipping

his chuck over behind his head and nailing the

dude in the nads. Which just seems like a mic

-y thing to do. Alls I can think of is... Donnie!

Wheel of Fortune dude! I guess they're not game

show fans. And I thought everybody loved that.

Dude if we ever do do a commentary on that we're

not going to commentary it We're going to just

recite it and it'll be an alternate audio track

that nobody ever listened to I'm gonna point

out all the lines as a ten -year -old. I thought

that we're like going back and listening that

you know hearing it Yeah, yeah lines. I got wrong

because I used to think that Mikey used to say

Oh, foul checker, eh? Not a fellow chucker, a

foul checker. And I'm thinking, I'm thinking

my 34 year old adult self is thinking, what the

fuck is a foul checker? It's a guy who checks

the foul balls at the baseball. The Casey Jones

-Raff interaction in the woods, I totally misunderstood

about three quarters of those lines, but... Now

that I'm an adult, I get it and can hear it better.

I think that it's great being able to go back.

And I just watched that less than a week ago,

I think. I think we might have to do some sort

of preview, maybe for a Christmas episode this

year. Some sort of preview of what I'm bringing

inside the pullback next year. Because it's going

to be pretty interesting. So we go back to...

the professor shredder and karai and he says

this is incredible there's no telling what i

could discover with so much of the manuscript

at hand and shredder is pleased to hear this

and and this is where they finally see the tracker

what and of course is this it's shredder he'd

have done it he'd have been the one Yeah, you're

a confident fool. How did you not see this? And

he smacks the hell out of Karai. Oh my god, that

had to hurt. At least he used the front side

of the hand and not the back side of the hand.

No, because if he used the back side, one of

the shredder shredders... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It

would have gone right up her nose. Talk about

picking your nose. That's what he uses the ones

on his hands for, is for picking his nose. I

pick my teeth with them. I am so gonna make one

of those gauntlets. I love the way they're drawn.

You have given our position away, Master. What?

The enemy is here, Master. Enemy? What enemy?

Oh, wait, I missed something. The only one that

matters. Oh, yeah, no, I didn't miss anything.

For a second there, I thought when Shredder destroys

the tracker, it looks like a squashed fly a little

bit, even though I know it's a throwing star,

but just, I don't know, part of it looks like

a squished fly. He calls for alopex and... Stan

watch over this man, but but that's a Well, yep

actor a mutant dr. Miller a loyal follower She'll

keep you safe as she grabs his neck with the

action lines of force there. Oh, I know it I

know it that's crazy Wait a minute here. I gotta

go back and look at okay now when he calls alopex

he The colors constantly change on his mask here.

It's gray she shows up By the time it gets to

a mutant dr. Miller it still looks a little gray

And then the next panel, which in Comixology

is a super close -up on the line, I shall have

to remind them of the natural order of things.

Their destiny is to fail. It's a purple mask

on his Optimus Prime mouthpiece there. The color

constantly changes. And, you know, he says, whereas

my destiny is to conquer. We have a super giant

fight between Turtles, Foot Ninja, Shredder,

April, Casey. I mean, they're everywhere. This

is one of the reasons why you need to look at

this stuff in Comixology, because it zooms in

on where my destiny is to conquer. You hit the

next panel. It pulls out the same panel to show

you the larger image of the bigger battle going

on. Oh, that's absolutely amazing. That's one

of my favorite panels in this entire series.

In fact, I have a collection on my wall of some

of my favorite panels from comic books that I've

redrawn on Comic Book Artboard. I might need

to do a tribute piece to this. I like it. It's

fish -eyed. It warps, and I think that... It

gets more characters on the page and everybody

looks moderately distorted because of that fisheye

lens, but it looks so good. I'd like to know

if this was drawn this way or if it was drawn

normally and then stretched in the computer.

Just based on some of the lines, I'd have to

guess that this was drawn this way, which would

have been an incredible challenge, I think. Absolutely.

because i mean if you look at it mikey is essentially

bending over and mikey and leo are almost shell

to shell but mikey's more bent over in a squatting

position raf looks like he's schmushed between

splinter shredder and a foot soldier april looks

like sh - april and ca - is that - yeah that

is casey april and casey look like you know the

police just came up to them alright you against

the wall now spread them Then Leo and Donnie

are basically taking the lead and Donnie is basically

Hop in the foot ninja up against the side of

his head with this stick And then we go back

to the professor here. He opens the book. That's

not the professor. Oh No, that's not the pretty

right. Yeah Takeshi, right? That can't be Saki.

It's Saki. Yeah, because the last time we had

seen him, your destiny's in the floor. Go open

that box. Oh, that's right. And this is Saki

realizing who he is. That's right. And that's

how issue two ends. That's how the second issue

ends, because on mine, it's the next panel after

the book is, it says three. Yep. Yeah, you're

right, it is Saki because he opens the box and

the box is empty. Oh no, that's not him, I'm

sorry. That's, um, what's his name? Magi. Yep.

That's his father. The book is gone now. I'm

sorry, ladies and gentlemen. See, this is why

I didn't get it the first time through. Yeah,

these characters somewhat look all alike. We

get to Magi and... Masato, I should have hidden

it better. I should have... No, Saki has taken

the book. He was seen leaving this morning with

provisions. Yes, west towards the mountains.

If this is the beginning of the witch's curse,

it could mean the disaster for the clan. I have

already considered this, Masato, and I have taken

steps to stop him. And we see Saki, who... I

don't know. If there are any listeners that are

listening to this episode that are horse fanatics,

maybe you can tell me this. If you tie a rope

to one horse's tail to pull the other horse along

and have it attached to his harness, does that

really work? Because that just looks weird to

me. That doesn't look like it would make the

second horse move along with the one that Saki's

riding. I don't know So apparently Madji's plan

is to have have Saki ambushed and he says well

it's true that I have been distracted surely

you don't think that you could hide your presence

from me I would have expected my father to send

better men. So he knew his father was sending

these guys. Cold -blooded. Yeah. Uh, you're only

following your master's orders. I respect this.

And you are all my clan brothers. Uh, so I will

give you this one chance to le - Oh, some - it

looked like somebody cut his eye out. Holy crap.

That was close. All I can think of is Marty McFly.

Why do we have to cut these things so damn close?

We were told not to kill him. No. We were told

try not to kill him. And he's given the scar

that we have been able to see through his mask

and all of the previous issues. Yeah, I I Don't

know I really have no feeling about that as far

as you know this continuity goes I almost wish

it was a rat gnawing at his face But it's not

like the end of the world here, you know, it's

nice this might actually be The rat in this as

well I think he's gonna go for a while with this

scar but first issue, um, when the ninjas come

to break into the lab and April's there and Splinter's

out, warns her, they get the CD, that rat does

get up there and mangle one of those ninjas.

And there was a point in this series where Shredder

wasn't wearing his armor when he was attacking

Leonardo in the Leonardo one -shot. I am unimpressed.

We think that's Shredder saying that. Um, so

that, that when Splinter on one of those foot

soldiers, that could have been how reincarnated

Shredder got his scar. Yeah, because this is

Oroko. This is Saki as... This is 15th century

Japan, Oroko Saki. Yeah, yeah. Either way, it's

fine. So we get to this battle and Saki basically

defeats them all and kills them all. He says

father you have betrayed me and indeed a Roku

sake your father has betrayed us all And we see

kids soon again, and then it jumps back to current

day Where Leo says okay everyone attack we are

attacking Maybe we need a You know something

cool and fun to say Mikey shut up and fight And

which Mikey replies, no, no, I don't like that

one. I think that's great. And that's the beautiful

thing about this, because if Nick has the rights

to the Turtles, to the majority of the franchise,

and they then license any of those rights out

to IDW, then IDW writers can... And really, I

don't see why they can't... Maybe they can't

use designs from the movies, I don't know. But

I don't see why they wouldn't be able to reference

the movies and all that stuff considering Eastman,

one of the actual creators of the property, is

writing some of the issues, at least on the actual

main ongoing. I don't think Eastman's writing

this, but... The way those writes would work,

I'd assume, might be... Technical in the way

that they can they could reference the movie

give homages to the movie, but they couldn't

directly be because then quoting the movie would

be doing something to the writers of the film

or they couldn't use a character that was created

just for the film, but they might be able to

It's but but you know I This scene in particular

and Mikey doing his thing and and then the banter

that happened in the van fight This is all stuff

that I could hear them saying with those movie

voices, like I could hear it happening in there

with the movie one voices, and it just being

completely appropriate and funny and... I was

really hoping. Okay, you purse -grabbing punks.

I was really hoping for purse -grabbing. Okay,

punks, let the professor go. That was a crime,

you purse -grabbing pukes. Cricket you gotta

know what crump it is to understand cricket.

Yeah as a 10 year old boy I had no idea what

was going on. I don't know what a crump it is

I guess I'm not supposed to understand. Oh crap

I'm gonna need a bigger bat. then alopex oh my

god I I have to screencap this for you and put

it on Facebook for you because holy crap the

close -up on that she looks vicious I mean she

looks so there is a panel coming there's a panel

coming I think it's in city fall that is beautiful

of her better than this one even And I can tell

just by looking at it and being familiar with

dogs that there was there was some reference

shots going in nobody made that up he Might even

be in this issue. I'm not sure What took you

guys How about a little credit for noticing that

you two snuck away in the middle of the chaotic

brawl? Another beautiful panel. I love how dynamic

the art is, the action lines, how the bodies

reinforce those action lines. I can't stop taking

screen grabs. I really can't. We've had two panels

in a row here, ladies and gentlemen, where it's

so good. So so good. I the only thing I I See

Donnie as being a little bit sarcastic, but not

as Sarcastic as this line is that he's saying

I can see that coming more from wrath than Donnie

You know, how about we notice you sneaking away

from the problem? I've been drawing Ninja Turtles

for 20 years. I have a master's degree in drawing,

but I still can't do what this panel is doing.

Yeah. I'm getting better, but. Yeah. And I love,

I love Alopex. Focus on the turtles. We can finish

the humans later. Like the humans don't even

matter. And April and Casey are like, Dr. Miller,

come with us. Apparently they do matter because

they're the ones getting away with your dude.

So we get to Karai versus Leo. There are two

things I don't think it happens later. I'll bring

one of them up later. Why is it that Is this

always been a constant thing with Leo and Karai

because they are the swords people that they

always talk about you know Discipline or undisciplined

or unworthy in your form is but What is it about

Karai versus Leo that is so that always put pits

the two of them together against each other in

In the Mirage series when Karai shows up near

the end of the run the last 12 issues is where

she's a major player. She's Very very adult and

foot clan. She's she's the head of the foot clan

in Japan and she comes to New York to get the

foot clan back in to order after what shredder

did to totally wreck it and so she's a very senior

member and she comes in as almost A friend to

the turtles to the to that side because the foot

clan isn't all about totally destroying everything

they're about running it from behind the scenes

more like the yakuza they don't want to destroy

everything they actually want to make a business

out of it and even if it's an illegitimate business

so when she comes there you know the foot clan

have destroyed everything she's trying to take

it all back and get it back under control and

so that puts some puts her on the same side as

the turtles they never really fight leo and karai

later volume two volume three they start to Kind

of work together on the same side getting things

done Leo goes out on assignments that she's she

gives him There's that incarnation of her and

I don't I think the next time I ever saw her

myself, I know she had other incarnations was

the The CG movie that was the first time I saw

Karai again I believe she's in the 2003 series.

There was also I think she appeared in the cartoon

Yeah, yeah, and that's really where I think the

rivalry started there was I remember reading

an interview not an interview Laird For a time

was posting email responses to the writers of

the TV show giving comments and feedback and

his input on it and I remember reading a scene

where They were fighting because that was what

they did in that series. There was that rivalry

thing and One of Laird's inserted notes was uh

cry wouldn't get a hit in on leo they're good

but leo is always going to be better heat this

this fight right here would not have happened

this way please rewrite it and and i'm looking

at this fight here going you know they look really

evenly matched and i even think that karai is

better at this point that leo still needs more

training he has not become the consummate consummate

Swordsman that he is, you know, maybe at the

age of 25 at 35 So I do love this and it does

this I I'm glad to see that rival ends watching

Who is essentially his nemesis and shredder shredders

is Hamato Yoshi's Nemesis Karai's is Leo's they're

the equals the Chunni. Oh, yeah Yeah, absolutely.

And I love Raph. Hey Leo, I think she likes ya.

In fact, you two wanna go take a walk on the

beach or something? It's fine. I'm fighting everybody

else anyway. And I wonder how much a line like

that had to do with the Nick cartoon where he

did have a crush on her. Yeah, yeah. Your children

lack focus, Rhett. But they do not lack honor,

Urokosaki. They will never betray their father

or their clan. I love this image of the two of

them, because it reminds me so much of the face

-off in The Shredder is Splintered, the fifth

part of the 87 animated series beginning. It

looks so good. It's the fight that... Don't think

they'll ever give us you know there will always

be a reason for them to run away from each other

Yeah, and I wonder how much that has to do with

them being kind of like friends in the old days

If there is that respect that you know they'll

always call their people back I Don't know There's

definitely hatred between the two of them Saki

killed his wife and Yoshi tried to take everything

from him. There's hatred both ways. Oh, absolutely.

So, you know, Saki's response is, my father betrayed

me and he paid for his treachery. I saw to that.

And then we go back to Japan where Kitsune is,

you know, preparing his monthly Want to say injection,

but I know that's not his monthly turtle soup

Because it's green ladies and gentlemen Says

you speak in riddles woman. I speak the truth,

and you are impatient in this life as you were

in your last What breathe in the smoke or okasaki

and meditate open your mind and? All will become

clear so Now this is really... this is this next

page here. This giant page here. This is really

interesting how... It's basically on the guided

view for Comixology I see the full page. It goes

top left, bottom left, top right, mid -right,

and then bottom right. And then it goes to the

next... But it's really nice how they do that

and again it draws your eye This is why I love

reading comics digitally now. It's so much easier

for me So we see that our story yours and mine

begins with a Powerful demon who found his way

into this realm now. I did not notice that at

first I noticed the line, but I never noticed

the picture of crying Coming out of the dimensional

portal in the background. I never noticed that

till right now. Mm -hmm I mean, I know that she's

I know who she's talking about obviously because

we had that that's that cliffhanger in the first

part of the story, but I Never noticed that before

and We see basically sake's backstory She says,

yes, the warrior was struck down by your father,

Orokomaji, but his spirit refused to accept death.

It thirsts for vengeance and lives on in me.

Yes, Saki, it is your destiny to avenge your

past life and retake the Foot Clan. And what

of your demon? Does he still exist? He does.

What would he ask in return for reclaiming my

clan? You think too small, Orokosaki. The real

question is, what price are you willing to pay

for immortality? That's kind of sidestepping

that question, appealing to his greed and ambition

and less to what he actually asked her. I don't

know. That's an interesting... Mm -hmm like what

why is the crying back now messing with this?

I hope we find that out because we haven't yet

No, that's the thing even through Northampton.

We haven't found it yet, and it's crazy It's

it's like I need answers now And you know we

haven't with Our general crank in the current

day has not hit he's seen these ninjas going

around he's kind of pissed off at them all but

he hasn't said anything like Man ninjas just

like that one time. I went to 15th century Japan.

So maybe maybe that is a different utrum. Maybe

his dad It's yeah, it's not crank. I think it's

I think it's his dad. I really do And then we

go back to present day. Uh, Donnie, we knocked

out most of the bad guys and found the dude we're

looking for. Can we go now? You know what? You

make a good point. Sweet. What do you think of

the constant red background? Like I liked it

at first, but now it's like I think they're they're

in a room with emergency lighting. Or it could

be a bunch of blood. Not that the turtles killed

anybody, but... I dunno. Donnie's like, I'll

keep foxy loxy busy, Mike, you go get the others.

Oh my god. Uh, yeah, you're probably right about

the emergency lighting, honestly, because the

next panel is regularly... The next panel, it's

often there in a different room. Except for Donnie,

who's back there. So, you know They're all getting

away. Yeah, you're right. It is two different

things Casey's gone to get the van Leo and Raph

are gonna cover them Karai says ha you can't

even block the simplest strike And it does show

you know at first it does show his kind of Heat

like you said before he's not fully trained But

he um he knocks her one oh, I love that nice

another beautiful panel Even the shape of the

letters Her body is in contra posto, which I'm

sure if this were a martial arts film. It'd be

one of those they roll in the air before hitting

the ground I brilliant I must meet this artist

I think yeah it's simply amazing April's like

her professor just get in the van you'll be safe

but there are turtles don't worry sir we grow

on oh are you all right I'm fine it's not ready

where's Raph he should be right behind boom Okay.

I didn't want to spoil my theory here. Because

it really comes into play once we get past Cityfall

and Northampton, but this is really where it

starts. Please do not tell me we're going to

have an interspecies relationship between Raphael

and Allopax. You've already read everything.

Yes, I'm not in fear of being spoiled unless,

you know... Yeah, I've already read everything.

Okay, I wouldn't have called it until you just

said that. Now I'm kind of thinking. I swear

to God, if Leo and Karai are fan fiction fodder

for everybody, then Raf and Alopex should be

fan fiction fodder for everybody, because I swear

to God, what happens later, they should so...

You've never read the Archie series, have you?

No, I haven't. There was a character created

for the Archie series called Ninjara. She was

a... I believe she was a fox, but she was a red

fox. I believe she was Chinese. And they had

a very long relationship. She was basically the

fifth Ninja Turtle for about 30 issues. Anything's

better than Venus. I have a feeling that... Now

that you say that... that that's where this is

headed with alopex because um I don't the one

thing in all of turtledom that we've discussed

and and I think I've thought of I don't think

they have the rights to Ninjara because she went

with the creator the artist who was on that series

of books to a different publisher and she had

like only three issues of her own book before

it got cancelled and the publisher went away

but it would not surprise me if she's not something

they have the rights to. And the sad thing is,

and this isn't about the comic, this is more

so about the current cartoon series, the sad

thing is the creator of Yusagi Yojimbo basically

said, nope, Yusagi's not coming into the 2012

series. I would love to see an updated version

of the rabbit. I really would. No, I see. I understand

why he's not doing that. with this series because

it's not Peter Laird. Right. And Peter Laird

would treat Usagi with respect and he'd be the

bunny with the scar over his eye and the blue

kimono. But I think Nickelodeon got their hands

on him that it would be some weird mutated thing

like Razor. They would change him to the point

where it wouldn't be Usagi anymore. I think that

would be the reason they haven't done it. Yeah,

well Razor looks better than Dog Pound. So what

are you guys waiting for? We gotta get out of

here. But Raph, I know my way home, Leo, so go

tell Casey to... to floor it. Oh, that's why

it's not the... I almost thought one of the letters

was cut off on Kurai's statement here, but I

had the mouse over the other arrow. No, leave

that one alone. It is the professor the master

wants, and the book. So go fetch. Ooh. You can...

Which, Alopex doesn't like that. No, Alopex doesn't

like that. It's an interesting play here because,

you know, Shredder's... Waning love for Karai

is really bothering her so when she has the opportunity

Karai lifts her legs on all of the subordinates

around her And I think that'll come back to bite

her. Oh My god the next panel geez All as I can

see cuz I'm gonna say this now, but it's gonna

play out in the coming panels here I can now

see a turtles A Turtles version of Sons of Anarchy.

Oh my god. That would be so fucking awesome.

Hey buddy, you okay? I didn't what the You're

a monster not quite buddy, but I'm taking your

bike. Anyway And the guys running away like a

cartoon alo pecs is hunting the van down and

beautiful panels again oh yeah I love how they

show her breathing or her breathing very heavily

huff huff huff huff I love that and then the

jump the jump panel is amazing mm -hmm now let

me ask you here this um what I can only it's

Get confused with alopex and kitsune but her

Her cloak cape thing in the jump scene here It

looks like the two tails. It looks like the two

like she has oh, yeah The Kitsune has those red

tufts of hair that are over her shoulders This

looks similar to that. You're right Well, maybe

it's a fox thing Maybe I know what I'm asking

is because kids soon had three tails or whatever

it was Are those are these clay cape things supposed

to reference something with two other? Tails

for for alopex since they're keeping At least

so far in all the comics that they've read up

to date. They've kept kitsune and alopex separate

like they they're really doing a good job not

confusing those two. I would say no, that it

just happens to be cool comic book dynamic way

to draw a cape, but I would not call you wrong

for noticing that no. Yeah. And Alopex basically

punches right through the glass. Talk about that

glass shattering. I mean, a fox is like, you

know. That's the bottom line because alopex said

so We got company and The way that she is drawn

and colored in this series. She looks so vicious

every single panel. We've seen her on to this

point Whether it was in the red emergency light

hallway or it just it's so awesome how they draw

her hair and I I say this coming off of calling

Whoever draws splinter saying it looks like he

looks like a dog but dogs are really difficult

to draw in comics to make them look like draws

dogs anytime you see crypto in a superman comic

it's questionable there are very few. Representations

of crypto that actually look like i know a lab

of some variety but all of these. Illustrations

of alopex look like a vicious dog. And it's beautiful.

And she's not a dog, she's a fox. Well, canine

of some variety. It's beautiful. Yeah, it is,

absolutely. And she says, give me the book. I

said we heard you. Dude, why aren't you whacking

her harder? I don't have time to explain Newton's

second law right now, Mikey. I have to ask, have

you and I talked about this book in the past

week? Because when I read this page either last

night or today. I've seen that panel somewhere

recently. Did you screen cap it? I might have.

I might have. I gotta go look now because I don't

remember honestly. I might have. I feel like

I've seen this. I screen capped a bunch of of

stuff out of this when I was reading it. I screen

capped a bunch of stuff out of stuff once I'm

in the moment. I'm just trying to see here. I

screen capped all the covers. Yup, I did. You

never commented on it, but I said, LOL, Mikey

and Donnie rule, and it is that we heard you.

It is that we heard you, pal. But yeah, no, I

mean, it's... God, the comedy is so great here.

It really is. So, Raft to the rescue on the motorcycle.

He basically... Wait, where did he get... Where

did he get the damn basket from? Basket? That's

a helmet. Oh, okay. It... When it's I see because

of the loop it looks like the when he handles

an Easter basket When he's swinging and it looks

like an Easter basket and when it lands on you

know when it collides with her It looks like

an Easter bad. It's the helmet. Okay. I was gonna

say when did Motors when the Harley Davidson

start putting bicycle baskets on motorcycles.

That's not a saddle bag. What is that? It's a

saddle basket And you know after a raft basically

De you know basically defeats her see you later,

sweet. I'm telling you they they are I'm telling

you and she is so pissed And Mikey's like dude

that is so sweet picked it up by the foot bill

another beautiful panel Yeah, and and this is

a beautiful panel because it's the four brothers

It's just them with Raph on the bike and the

guys hanging out by the van and we go to the

professor Four turtles the foot clan. This is

it's okay. Dr. Miller. It's all okay now guys.

We need to get him to a safe place So where do

we take him the shop the church or no Leonardo

it is not wise to bring strangers into our home

at this time No worries everyone. I know just

the place to go deep breath stock. We'll be there

in no time Casey Jones the van driver Splinter

does it too. Wow. I that's one thing I didn't

notice earlier reading this he also calls him

Miller sensei So there's more of that respect

So we get to Splinter says We are merely exercising

caution of Of course, I my god Wait, let me get

this straight The man in the armor is the same

man, you know from feudal Japan. You're serious

When I came across rumor about the foot clan

having the secret to immortality I assumed they

were simply exaggerating properties of a lost

medicine Does the Mikey Does the ashy books say

anything about shredder could have come back

like as the exact same, dude Missing resurrection

ah here Now do we find out in is it it's not

in this that we find out that Mikey has a certain

talent, correct? Yeah happens soon Okay, I was

gonna say yeah The dragon warrior is eternal

his thirst for vengeance can never be slacked

And no death can truly hold him. So essentially,

Sarah, what you're telling us is the Shredder

is the Dragon Warrior. He's basically unkillable.

We go back to Japan again. And Saki shows up.

Father, I brought you a present. Masato, Saki,

what have you done? I have come to take my revenge,

Orokomaji. Did you think I would never know the

truth? You found Kitsune. She found me after

your men failed to kill me. Saki, whatever the

witch told you, whatever you think may have happened,

everything I have ever done was for you. Stop

lying to me. Kitsune showed me who I was. Showed

me how I was murdered by one of my own. The spirit

of Takeshi Tetsuo has awakened, father. Now this

is kind of foreshadowing for later. Most definitely.

Kitsune showed me who I was. And the I was is

in complete bold versus the other part of the

word. It's It's basically telling us what's gonna

happen later with a certain character At least

that's what I read. I'm missing. I'm missing

Missing it. It's her kids soon showed me who

I was mm -hmm, so she brainwashed him I Don't

think he brainwashed him. I think she showed

him that he's the reincarnation of tetsuo Right,

but the brainwashing will come later with the

other character hmm As far as her powers of showing

a certain event Yeah, I don't my interpretation

of those two instances. I think are different

I think this the the one was here remember everything

and then the other one was I'm gonna put these

memories in your head Yeah, probably probably

I I don't have a good metaphor for that. But

anyway, yeah Kitsune likes to show people stuff.

So this one ends with the final panel of Saki

basically saying, and pay the price of betraying

your lord. And we can only assume that because

he does say my father is dead in the opening

of the fourth issue. Yep. Cut down. Go ahead.

He calls him father when he's bringing the body

in that door, but after that, he keeps calling

him by name, keeps calling his father by his

name, separating him from that relationship,

because he's not a Rokosaki anymore, he's Takeshi.

By name, he's a Rokosaki, but he's drawing those

lines. I think that was a neat touch. Cut down

by assassin in the night. He will be avenged

The honor of the foot clan will be restored My

condolences a Rokosaki I do not require your

sympathy a Maruyoshi just your obedience obedience.

I am to replace my father as Jonah I hope I said

that right you did it's probably pronounced mean

like with double E's but oh it's kind of like

um in the latin alphabet jehovah begins with

an i it's kind of like stepping on the wrong

tile and falling to your temple of doom and with

the with the japanese vowels i don't think they

have short or long ones i think they're all one

or all the other and i don't know which is which

but i think if we wanted to blend in it'd be

jonan but jonan will We'll be gringo fine for

us. We'll take it But surely master master Masato

would be Masato is gone Probably on some ridiculous

errand we cannot wait lead us I am the next best

candidate all of the chunin have agreed Yeah,

I'm sure they have yeah, right Masato is now

- he's gone. He's not on some lame mission. He's

gone gone. Except for you, of course. You have

been off -seeing to your family. Shall I expect

your challenge? No, I will support you in this.

All is as it should be, then. I shall restore

honor to the Foot Clan, Hamato Yoshi, and ensure

no one will ever again dare challenge us. The

more you tell me the more preposterous it all

sounds Look at the side of the door Scarab Ray,

this is the bar Closed for a private party didn't

Mikey put that sign there. What bar is this?

This is Angel's dad's bar. Okay Yeah, we see

Casey Jones's dad drinking there at some point.

Yeah In fact, I've yet to see any proof of things

I've been told tonight What about the fact that

you're sitting with a room with reincarnated

ninjas? Please these creatures could simply be

talented Oh Mimics I thought it was no talented

mimics that have watched too many kung -fu movies

Are you serious? This set. Oh, this is where

it happens. This says ninjutsu is Ninjutsu is

like as much as part of the spirit as the body

in which is cool Everybody looks stunned Everything.

Um, why is everybody staring me like I did something

wrong? Seriously Mikey cannot catch a break between

the stuff that went down earlier with Woody And

Woody basically saying they can't be buds no

more. I mean, I know that's kind of past. We

brought that up last time when we did Crang War.

But every time that Mikey opens his mouth, like

I expect every time Mikey opens his mouth in

the 2012 cartoon series that the guy is just

looking at him like he's done something wrong.

But I mean, look at that panel. Look at that

face versus why is everybody staring at me like

I did something. He just looks so hurt and offended.

Mike, that book is written in Japanese. It is?

Dude! He couldn't have learned that by watching

kung -fu movies. No, he could have not. No, he

could not have. Come on, scientist. He could

have, like, you know, actually learned Japanese

in the years before you met him. You know, I'll

forgive the scientist for that. I don't know

if that's a comic writing... Yeah. Flub or a

scientist flub. Well, let's blame it on the scientists.

That way we don't have to blame it on the writer

Yeah Dude, it's reincarnation. It totally makes

sense way. I see it. It's just like playing video

games I can be a superhero plumber or a robot

pilot in a game, but I'm still myself behind

the controls With this it's like my soul is playing

the game and it's just switched up between a

little kid In Japan and a turtle in New York.

Oh my god. They did not just throw in a Mario

reference robot pilot. Would that be Star Fox?

A robot pilot. I'm assuming a mech thing. Yeah,

probably a mech warrior. That analogy came dangerously

close to being logical. One of my favorite moments.

This is that panel. This whole panel is one of

my favorite moments. Because Mikey realizes now

that he can read Japanese, wait, I just totally

realized I can read more manga. Like, yeah, that's

a Michelangelo answer. Yeah. Poor Donnie scratched

his head. Sigh. Oh my god, it is so funny. So

amazing. I I am like see when I when you first

told me about this for issue series and the title

secret history of the foot clan I thought it

was all just gonna be a back a fly a back flash

Wow a flashback I thought it was all gonna be

the 16th I didn't realize like that I know the

title is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles but I thought

it was all gonna be dealing with shredder by

himself like all the crying stuff Yeah, yeah

unless unless so far all the crane stuff unless

it's present day have has all the utram stuff

has nothing to do with turtles at this point

and That's what I was kind of expecting here.

I wasn't expecting it to we mix. Yeah, and I

love that it does though Because it's so awesome

Yeah, I need I need to meet Sam Toluko After

rereading this and loving the art, hating the

bananas, but loving the art, loving the writing.

The bananas? Bandanas. Oh, the bandanas. I may

have said bananas, and if I did, let's leave

it in. Banana? There's no banana in the turtle's

tailpipes. Oh, boy. And April is like, you look

like your mind's been blown. Well, I've been

told impossible things all day, but now I've

finally seen something and it gives me hope.

The Ashi no Himitsu will be destroyed, Professor.

I will not allow Saki to have anything that's

so important to him. And Casey's like, hey, you

guys might want to look outside. It's coming,

just wait. Yeah, you do know I had to practically

beg Brooklyn to clear this place out tonight.

If it gets trashed, he's gonna kill me. Relax,

Case. Unless we take out a wall or something,

there's no way he'd notice. Uh, are you certain

this is where they are? One of the street punks

on our payroll says so. If he's lying, Master,

I'll bring you his head. Crap's gonna go down.

Shredder's actually not in his building. I know.

This is how - desperate things have gotten. Is

it sad that I see him as the Evil Queen of Hearts

when she says, I'll bring you his head off with

his head? I don't know. I'm weird with my breath

sometimes. Alice in Wonderland, people. Disney's

one true film you should watch while on drugs.

Hamato Yoshi, I have come for what is mine. Who

is Hamato Yoshi? I once was. New game, same player,

Mikey says from the back. Let's see, now this

has got Splinter thinking though. Saki would

not have announced his presence unless... I get

tired of waiting. Shimada Takamori... Tamari,

come out and face justice. Take the others around

back and kill Shibata's family. Ai! Wait! You

said Saki never wore the armor before. No, he

did. The scene when, um... Back when he killed

Splinter's family, he had the armor on. No, no,

no. I'm talking about in this. In his evolution.

You had said that he had never worn the he was

wearing armor when he killed his father But this

is the first time I've seen him with the helmets.

Yeah Well, he did he did wear the helmet in that

earlier issue I mean in the flashback of but

this is the first time we've seen it now Right

in in in the context of his story. Yeah He will

not expect an attack while I shut my demands

from the front. Simple distraction will draw

him to my blade. What is your strategy in killing

Shibata's family? It's no less than they deserve,

Yoshi. A man sins fester in his family's blood.

That's a nice line. That's a creepy line, but

it's a nice line. My sons, defend yourselves!

They will come from the back! Look at that, right

on cue. You can't sneak up on us, ya easy mooks.

That easy, ya mooks. And another beautiful panel.

Another panel that zooms out. Because on this

guided view, it's close up on RAF, and then it

zooms out to show the rest of the foot people.

How did you know? This is not knowing, it is

remembering. So, we get to more professor stuff.

Frankly, Ms. O 'Neil, I don't care. This is not

only one of the most significant historical discoveries

of all time, it may hold the secret to immortality,

and I won't let that be lost. Now, I'm taking

this book, and there's nothing you can do to

stop me. Sure, there isn't. Boom! Wow, she decked

him. You hit me, and I will again if I have to.

19 year old girl. Wonderful. She's probably been

hanging around the turtles enough to figure out

how to throw a punch, perhaps. Or Casey. Considering,

wasn't he supposed to be teaching her self -defense

classes in the first part of the series? Yeah,

that's right. Wait, I surrender. I wish to offer

my services. Get in the car and pray that they

oh wait They still have it inside. They want

to destroy it, but I get in the car and pray

that I Want to know what the writer hears as

shredders voice as any of the writers in this

series what? Who would they pick? How would they?

Modify it would they put it through anything

or you know, I I don't know because there's There's

so much going on with Saki, you know, Shredder,

that... There are times when I hear the movie

voice, um, times, like, when he eventually starts

talking about family, you know, this is your

family. I am your father. Yeah. You know, that

kind of thing. So Splinter basically is going

to surrender himself, supposedly. And we see

that he says, Rouga Saki, the evil you have caused

can never forgive myself for. I should have put

a stop to it long ago. You could no more have

stopped me then than you can now. Perhaps, Saki,

that's because I have never truly tried. Because

they haven't ever had an opportunity to throw

down yet. This image. Reminds me so much of the

fight in shredder get shredder gets splintered

when they're fighting over the retro mutagen

ray in That in that fifth part of the 87 cartoons

it reminds me so much of the two of them fighting

in the technodrome See, I don't remember them

fighting ever in that old series. I totally need

to go watch that I'll I'll screen cap it for

you and put it on Facebook so you can see Let's

see, you cannot beat me, even with your children.

You're covering their escape! After them, go!

I believe the phrase my son's using the situation

is like this. Gotcha! Come on, load up, let's

go! You're covering their escape! That panel

is great. This is the page with that alopex drawing

that I - absolutely adore oh the the the evil

growl oh I have seen dogs look like that but

see that's that's not exaggerated do you dogs

do that yeah no I know but she's not a dog she's

a fox there's a difference right they're both

canines but it's I similar I mean they've they're

actually side note there's a really cool folks

somewhere who are selectively breeding foxes

to make them dogs and when you selectively breed

the right behaviors it also takes a couple of

these other characteristics with them they keep

the red fluffy tail but they get these floppy

ears they're adorable anyway they're similar

enough that it would it's okay that they're probably

using a dog reference for that particular picture

Yeah, no, I don't have a problem with it. I just

thought that they were different animals all

together from each other So the turtles They

are gonna go to Donnie's like who knew reading

was so popular Don you and Mike stay with the

book Casey Casey get out of here, but Leo Splinter

said to keep that book away from the foot clan

So go Am I the only one who feels completely

ineffectual right now Hang on. Maybe there's

something we can do to help 9 -1 -1 emergency.

Hello. I just passed the scarab bar Scarab ray

bar on Essex and saw some minute in masks attacking

this old guy, please send someone You're calling

the cops You think calling the cops in a ninja

brawl is going to help, seriously? Shredder's

not gonna let the police find him. If he's making

a break for it, the others should have an easier

time of getting away too. Well, I guess crazier

things have worked out. You can just see Casey

smile and he's so proud of April. I will no longer

allow you to dictate the terms of our conflict,

Orokosaki. My family will end your cycle of destruction.

This time, we... Eh? Eh? We will finish this

another time. Cause we hear the boo -wee boo

-wee! The sirens. I love these panels. I really

do. Between Alopex, Raph, Leo, and Karai. And

then Leo and Raph. And the bad - black and white

but dude it it's so pops on on comics ology it

really does um so we go to uh you know uh go

but master what if karai she will find her own

way back now drive it's like driving miss shredder

a few days later well at least we know how shredder

came back to back all himselfy now um he just

chugged a bunch of magic potion and conked out

till like a great great great grandkid woke him

up as an immortal i guess i thought it'd be harder

than that is it permanent can we reverse it or

donno dude um i love again the the five of them

in this panel Is it just me, or does Leo look

like April's movie drawing, the one she gave

to Danny in the film? It's not the same pose.

No, no, no, I know it's not the same pose, but

the lines, the colors, I don't know, it reminds

me so much of that movie drawing that April had

done. You know, Mikey's going on about the fact

there's a lot of pages missing from the book.

He says, anyway, this thing is mostly just a

boring diary other than the whole bring back

Saki part, but that was really just a footnote

written by somebody else. Ha ha ha, footnote.

We did not find the information we expected,

it is true, but we still have learned a great

deal who Saki was, how he was returned, even

the revelation of Michelangelo's talent. This

book is a link to Tatsuo Takeshi. Its contents

are his thoughts. It reveals his history and

much of the history of the Foot Clan itself.

It may hold a deeper meaning for Saki that we

cannot know, or perhaps it's simply a reminder

of the destiny of Saki. Damn it. Of the destiny

that Saki is convinced is his. I do not know.

But I know I'm right to that I Saki a link to

his past And the book is gone The ashi no himitsu

was precious to me and its loss is disappointing

Yeah, man, they totally lost that cuz that they

they had the book. He had it in his purse in

his hands I wonder what was keeping him from

being able to read it that he needed the professor

Because it was just written in Japanese Mikey

figured it out I'm not going to ask too many

questions. I don't want to break it. Break what?

Oh, the reviews. No, I don't want to break my

understanding or, you know, I don't want to ruin

the story by thinking too hard. Karai says, I

am sorry, Master. Be silent. I had hoped the

Professor would use... The book to find clues

is to the final resting place of Kitsune. She

was the most powerful of all allies, and I would

have her by my side again. Trust is not in our

nature, Professor. Loyalties can shift, and Kitsune

was kenny enough to know this. She hid herself

to sleep away the centuries and as long past

times she was found. So far all those I have

tasked with this have failed. But you... You

won't fail, will you, Professor? I have faith

in your resourcefulness, even without the book,

to aid you to succeed, and you will be granted

the secret to immortality. Fail, and I will cut

out your heart. What is taking so long, Kitsune?

I have finally found the key to your permanent

immortality, Orokosaki. Perhaps you could accord

me a little patience, and we need only the demon's

magic and... He comes. I didn't read this page

the first or the second time Wow He is upon here

is the agreed upon payment now, are you prepared

for your next assignment? No demon your arrange

our arrangement is over fire And what no you

fool I have served you over two incarnations,

demon. And for more than one hundred and fifty

years, this has long left a bitter taste in my

mouth. Begone. Hmm. Nooooooo. Your iron demon

is undone and his portal destroyed. Now the path

is clear. Let us ascend to immortality. Huh.

Hey, kiss. Make up. My preparations are complete.

Are you ready? I am. Good. First, you must drink

this potion. It will be difficult and is far

more potent than the one used to extend your

life, but do not spare a drop. Next, while the

potion begins its work, you must commit... Harakiri.

Yes. Suicide. Yeah. It's in a... What is that?

It's... Charlie Manson made a big deal about

that. I think that's a word that he... What am

I thinking? Oh, I thought I thought he was talking

about Harry Carey. I Don't know what I'm thinking

now. I might be mixing that up, but that's okay

You will die or okosaki, but you will not be

reincarnated the magic of the demon will bind

your spirit to this form for all time You'll

be placed in a casket filled with the purest

of the demons fluid and then Our sons will seal

your body away, keeping you safe while you are

remade. I can't figure out why this is part of

the plan. You know, why not just start ruling

immortal now? Why does he need to bake? I don't

know. She says generations will pass and you

will sleep. But the magic will heal and strengthen

your body and your spirit, and eventually it

will be your time to return. Okay, who the hell

took the time to paint the giant foot logo on

the floor? Where his casket is and it's a giant

foot clan logo. That's the that's the modern

-day one there Yep, still who took the time since

he was first put to sleep Who the hell took the

time in that building to paint the giant foot

clan? So basically what happens is Kirai finds

him. Basically does a blood oath and spills her

blood into the thing. Blood will bring you back

again. There will be much pain. But the magic

will be complete and you, Orokosaki, will be

the Dragon Warrior, young and powerful for all

time. I'll see I saw these panels, but I didn't

see the bit where he tossed crane back through

the portal or miscellaneous u -drum Yeah And

then we go and then my lord you will be be ready

ready to bring the foot clan to the great glory

and ready to meet your destiny Your pass will

cross again or our pass will cross again or Okasaki

and we will rule all From a city made of light

because that's what she told him in the original

And that's where we leave off now Even even on

comics ology the trade because I bought this

That's a beautiful thing about digital comics

and comics ology. You can buy trades on comics

ology So I didn't buy this for separate issues.

I bought this as the trade. It comes with an

art gallery doing it I'll screen cap them for

you. I know it's not the same as actually having

the actual images, but I'll screen cap them.

Let me see here if I can read this properly.

There's an image of the turtles fighting the

foot clan. There is a Eastman drawing of the

turtles fighting the foot clan. There is Santolucco's

foot. It's actually a combination. of um uh past

and present uh the past is orokosaki kitsune

in the foot logo and the present is the turtles

and april fighting it's basically taking the

foot scene from the past and the car chase scene

and making a cover out of them top and bottom

yeah i think these are sounding like the covers

that i have yeah probably are The next one is

done up by CP Wilson, the third. It's Orokosaki

and it's basically the three forms of him. The

turtles in April with the ooze, little bit of

the ooze. They probably are the covers you have.

One of the covers is simply amazing. It's done

up by Santalucco. it's a metal utram facing kitsune

and saki and then it's the turtles casey splinter

and the professor on the bottom i mean these

covers are simply oh wow some of these are really

really good i'll screen cap almost all of these

for you you might probably already have them

but i'm still screen capping them anyway because

they are just awesome So alright, I think we're

gonna take a quick break. We're gonna come back

with final ratings and thoughts and other stuff

after this Splinter I'll cut you down master

I must congratulate you. It's the same guys we

fought last night. You passed your test with

flying colors. Test? What test? Your hairy little

friend knows me as Oroku Saki. But you may call

me the Shredder. A kitchen utensil? You would

be wise to lose your flippant ways if you wished

to join the honorable Foot Clan. why should we

want to do that all right folks there you go

secret history of the foot clan i love going

through these things i especially love going

through them i know we spent an hour in something

it's probably more than an hour and something

on this episode for talking about these four

issues but i love going through it on comixology

it's so good um i'm really coming around even

though i still like like to when i go to read

the actual comics i prefer to read the physical

copy i mean reading this because this was the

first turtles book i read digitally in trade

reading it this way is so much more fun than

having to sit there and worry about getting carpal

tunnel holding my hand, you know, having, you

know, holding the book in my hand. Honestly,

I can sit here with my, my arm resting on my

keyboard rest and just my finger just hitting

the, you know, hitting the right arrow button.

It's like, okay, next panel, next panel, next

panel. It's like, it's kind of like playing video

games, Liz, good hand, good hand -eye coordination.

As you're, as you're reading through this, who

is our, Intended audience. Do you want people

listening to this who've never read the books

don't intend to read the books or I? Don't you

know I sometimes I feel bad spoiling things,

but Well, the way I figured is if we're not doing

it because the pullback isn't for current Like

I'm not gonna sit here and you know next week

or the week after whenever issue 34 comes out

We're not gonna sit here and sit down and do

it my intention is Doing coverage and trades

in the pull bag if the issues have already come

out I Still will suggest people go read them

for themselves, but if they want to get a feel

For what it is they can listen to us, but I I'm

not I write I Very I write very poorly written

spoiler free reviews because I just don't know

what to say without actually spoiling anything

I'm not gonna sit here for an hour and a half

with you not spoiling stuff, because that's kind

of the point, especially in trade. If this four

issue series, when did this originally come out?

Was it last year? If it's a year old, then people

need to just go get it themselves. I will say,

like I said before, if you want to read it for

yourself, we highly recommend it. But no, this

is for anybody who wants to get interested in

the Turtles and hear our opinions, because outside

of a few art things in all the Turtles episodes

we've done so far for IDW, I don't think we've

said really too many negative things about the

actual storytelling. It's so damn good. I mean,

there's nothing that they haven't done that has

made the continuity... wonky. There's nothing

that they haven't done that makes any of the

characters in like, that's not how that character

should be. That's not how this character should

be. If it can be done with this book, why can't

it be done with every other superhero property?

Absolutely. I think where you and I might, I

don't know, when we eventually get to villain

micro series part two, I'm not sure what your

Europe. I don't want to spoil that that's one

thing I don't want to spoil is is our future

coverage But I'm not sure if we're gonna both

agree on bebop and rocksteady. I I don't I don't

know how that's gonna go down folks, but For

a secret history of the foot clan. I'm just gonna

rate it overall as, you know, there were a couple

of things with the art that kind of bugged me,

like Shredder's face mask constantly changing

color, the fact that he looks like he stuck his

head in the sleeve of some woman's red dress

half the time, or, you know, you could use that

reference, or the fact that it looks like he's

wearing a damn snuggie. One of the worst infomercials

ever. Overall, for me, there are a few things

with the art that bug me. Like Shredder's, kinda,

his constant art color design change with his

thing and his, you know, snuggie thing and all

that stuff. Other than that, I... Because of

that I don't think I can give this a full -on

perfect for the overall score But I will give

it a four and a half out of five, which is almost

perfect There's just a few things about the art

and the bandanas. I mean come on Bandanas should

not emote. They just shouldn't Bandanas are not

emoticons that you find on Skype or you know

Yahoo Messenger or any of that crap What about

you? What are you gonna rake it for this series?

I Am incredibly okay, okay with the turtles and

in the entire history of turtles that I've been

reading the past two months They have always

been kind of Whatever the person in charge of

them wants them to be, you know this month They're

in space and they're fighting dinosaurs and and

then in this month It's a weird flashback and

the turtles are monsters and splinters not really

splinter and they're fighting some weird ninjas

that don't have anything to do with the foot

clan and And this and then the next issue they're

cartoony and they're fighting rubber chickens

and every every turtles thing is kind of somebody

else's thing my favorite turtles my favorite

versions of the turtles are When they go real

close to Japan really close to the dojo really

close to the Japanese language and do that ninja

stuff and because because this series of issues

went right into the heart of Japanese everything

It's incredibly highly rated for me. Definitely

a number five. The interesting thing about this

entire series is that they're giving us the Shredder.

In the original series, they killed the Shredder

in the first issue, and he's not in it anymore.

Any other, you know, a person wearing the armor

comes back at later times, but it's not... the

shredder. And many times in the letters columns,

they say, nope, shredders not coming back. I

know you liked him in the cartoon, but he's not

coming back in the comic. And this book really

hasn't shied away from making the shredder an

incredible threat, an incredibly rich character,

not one dimensional. He's like to this issue,

we saw him come out of the van in the ghetto.

Like when he hits the ground like that, things

are going to go down because it's bad. And I

like that they've elevated the shredder to that.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, next time you're

in here, Joe and I talk about this series will

be in late July, uh, when we cover city fall

part one and the villains micro series volume

one. Now how we're going to do this and this,

uh, This is one of the reasons why I don't. And

thankfully Bobby Kernow even agrees with you.

The reading order sucks for people like me reading

in trade. How we're going to do this is we are

going to be reading Krang, City Fall Part 1,

or no, the prologue, I'm sorry. City Fall, basically...

City fall part 1 is issues 21 to 24 and then

the villain micro series volume 1 is Krang Baxter

Alopex Old Hob and and then Karai's later But

basically Yeah, city fall part 1 and micro series

volume villains micro series volume 1 is is the

next time we'll be doing that and that is Looking

like it'll be late July, like the fifth week

in July. Coming up here in the future on the

pull bag, we've got coming up next the Underbase

crossover with Transformers Windblade issue number

two. And then in July we've got the IDW Rocky

and Bullwinkle 4 issue miniseries coming up.

We're finally going to get to the Forever Evil

7 issue miniseries from DC. some Masters of the

Universe, some more Transformers stuff, and like

I said, Volume 6 for Turtles and Villains Micro

Series Volume 1. So that's what's coming up in

the pull bag. When's your garage sale? It already

happened. Oh, dang. So I don't get to talk it

up. 2015! Well, it hasn't happened for me yet,

but it happened for our listeners, I guess you

could say. There will be another one at the end

of August. I have not decided a date yet, but

it will be a Saturday. Probably later in August,

so... Very cool. Alright, make you a great escape

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