The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes Review

Beyond good, beyond evil, beyond your wildest

imagination. Tick, tick, boom. Welcome to episode

32 of Tooncast Beyond, brought to you by the

Geekcast Radio Network. I'm your host, TFJoneMike,

and joining me this time is Sketch1984. Hello.

Hey. Today we are going to be talking about Avengers,

Earth's dumbest heroes. What? I gotta make a

claim. What's with this show's title and that

Fantastic forest title being so similar was fantastic

for world's greatest heroes and his Avengers

Earth's mightiest here. I Don't know they're

getting lazy with the titles and I gotta say

right off the bat Avengers. Yeah, I gotta say

right off the bat ladies and gentlemen, I Refused

when I went back and edited this show. I refused

absolutely outright refused to put in The lyrical

version of the theme song for this fucking cartoon

because the lyrical version is a bad Lincoln

Park imitation so the The theme song you just

heard is actually the outro to the cartoon which

has no lyrics and it's just instrumental because

I'm sorry fight is one the the world is about

to break song Oh, God. A little too emo for you,

huh? Worst fucking theme song ever. Well, I wouldn't

go that far. In cartoons, worst theme song ever.

Not even close. And it's by a band that can't

even come up with an original name for themselves.

It's by a band called Bad City, which they're

essentially Linkin Park knockoffs. All right,

so as you can tell we're going to be talking

about Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes which

is To set the stage here is an American animated

television series by Marvel animation in cooperation

with film Roman Based on the Marvel Comics superhero

team the Avengers the show debuted on Disney

XD in the fall of 2010 starting with 20 part

micro series Marvel Entertainment LLC and Disney

XD announced that the new Marvel Universe programming

block named Marvel Universe, which includes Season

2 of Avengers, and the animated Ultimate Spider

-Man series that began broadcasting in April

2012. The series initially featured team based

on the roster for the original Avengers, composed

of Iron Man, Ant -Man, Hulk, Thor, and the Wasp.

The team is later joined by Captain America,

Black Panther, and Hawkeye. In terms of tone

and style, the series is based primarily on the

original stories by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.

However, it also tends to utilize the material

from all eras the comics run and other sources

such as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I would...

I don't know. All right, so as far as first impressions,

I'm just gonna get this right off the bat. This

is probably gonna be a sketch show again because

I've only seen the first eight and a half. I'm

like 20 minutes through episode nine of this

series, of season one. I've just been so confused

with this series, just so confused. I don't know

if it's because I don't like, like, individually

I like Iron Man, I like Hulk, I like Captain

America. You know, I like all that stuff. I've

never been an Ant -Man or Wasp fan. I just, I've

never known that much about them. So I'm not,

you know, I don't know, so. Did you see Ultimate

Avengers 1 and 2, those animated movies? Oh hell

no. Huh, I thought they were pretty good. No.

I don't know, it's just, it's never like, like

I said, individually, I like Iron Man, I like

Hulk, I like all the Marvel superheroes individually,

but teaming up as the event, at least, this is

just for animation, mind you, this is not for

the live action, this is just for animation.

You know, throughout me watching cartoons, I've

only liked it when the DC heroes team up. I just,

I don't know if it's, I'm not that... connected

with the cartoon versions of of the early yeah

but what about like the crossovers between ninety

spider -man and the x -men and like the secret

wars world yeah i mean that's that's a crossover

but this is the avengers this is iron man hulk

ant -man captain america for you know this is

the interest people were hoping to see in that

other avengers cartoon yeah they had man and

wasp in a bunch of Characters that were not that

iconic Right. Well, I mean I didn't even I didn't

even why you're talking about United and yeah.

Yeah United we that show that show sucks simply

short Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's it I

don't know I don't know what it is about and

this is only for animation because as As we've

recorded this, you know about I don't know a

week and a half ago, but you thought for the

Marvel characters as solo acts face Yeah, essentially.

Yes, like I don't mind if if war machine or Wolverine

or storm shows up to help spider -man or if daredevil

shows up to help spider -man or if if Captain

America shows up to help Iron Man. I don't mind

like Actual like into you'd like to visit crossover

land, but you don't yeah Yeah, but and this like

I said This is only an animation because I saw

the Avengers movie the Avengers movie kicks ass

the Avengers movie is awesome. Go see it Go see

it right now. Stop this podcast go buy fucking

tickets and watch that movie And again, I think

it's because I'm more ingrained at this point

with DC animation I haven't watched Marvel animation

outside of a few weeks ago when we recorded the

Wolverine and the X -Men was the first one outside

of Superhero Squad. Superhero Squad show I count

in its own universe because it's a kiddie kind

of funny, really super comedic cartoon. I don't

take that as a serious storytelling cartoon.

But I just I've been more invested in DC cartoons

over the years versus Marvel I mean the x -92

cartoon and the spider -man 94 cartoon were great

and season two of the Iron Man cartoon was great,

but I Just didn't really care for I Completely

get what you're saying. Yeah, I think most people

I don't want to throw that out there per se but

most people are of the opinion that You know

The DC animated universe was just so, so much

better in its approach to storytelling than anything

Marvel put out. But Marvel had a few moments

where it shined. Right. And I think the problem

I'm having with this show, I don't even know

if I'm going to finish watching through season

one. The problem I'm having is it's so fucking

I'm only like I said, I'm like halfway through

episode 9 at this point as of this recording

I've only watched like through half of season

through half of episode 9 of the first season.

So my problem is It's so freaking confusing because

what they've done on Netflix is or what that

what the producers have given the Netflix people

is full episodes but like 90 % of the episode

will be about like Episode four was was Captain

America's episode. I think That you know 90 %

of that episode will be focused on you know Captain

America and all that and you know back in You

know during the war and then flash forward to

today where they unfroze them and everything

else But then at the end they go to this other

guy That's time traveling into a different time

I don't know it was just it's too this cartoon

for me is too fucking confusing so You're just

essentially get take it from here. What are your?

Initial impressions well I want to I want to

clarify for people listening who haven't watched

the show before The show was introduced in it

as as we said in a set of 20 shorts that Disney

XD played as you know before they Premiered the

show with the with the story that teams them

up and this was just to introduce the characters

and they did so with about three shorts focusing

on the main cast they would all get three shorts

each and then there would be other shorts that

would just touch on other parts of this universe

and when they recompiled these into episodes

it felt a bit disjointed because you'd have the

three stories about Iron Man or the three stories

about Captain America and then you would have

attacked on story which was another one of the

shorts that had really very little relation to

that and that's probably a Bad call on their

part. Oh, yeah Yeah, I almost honestly other

than a little bit of a backstory on I don't want

to go that far because I feel like they did a

good job introducing whole for Captain America

through those shorts, and I wouldn't want to

lose that I suppose they could have done it differently,

but I really like how this show First episode

was with the breaking with the with the breakout

of the three super prisons And then they had

to take down what it was his name Graviton. Yep

or something like that who I'd never heard of

before. Yeah, I'd never heard of Graviton before

either. It's like who the fuck is this guy? Now

what you don't like about it is one of the things

that I really like about it because as much as

I'm not a comic book guy I do want to get to

know the Marvel Universe more similarly to how

Justice League introduced me to the wider spectrum

of DC and even more so Draven the bold and now

young justice are doing the same thing of introducing

me to characters or reintroducing me to characters

That I maybe have never heard of or have barely

seen before in new and exciting ways that interest

me which I if I really tried I could probably

become really into reading comics, but from my

perspective from my friend who tells me that

he buys like Oh gosh, ten comics a week? Like

I can't afford that. Yes, man, I'll stick to

cartoons. I prefer visual medium moving way.

Not to say that I don't appreciate a comic every

now and then. Right. Well, you know, here's the

thing and, you know, we're kind of going off

on a tangent here, but I've read numerous comics

in my... You know 32 years on this planet I started

getting into comics between the ages of 12 and

15 because of x -men 92 and star and God I almost

said Star Wars 94. Holy shit X, X -Men 92 and

Spider -Man 94. I got into comics because of

those cartoons and I loved, and back then, comics

were anywhere from 75 cents to two bucks. I mean,

I would go into like a Walden Books and there

would be X -Men comics for like $1 .25, $1 .50,

something like that. You know, and I would, you

know, I would buy them, I would read them, you

know, I had a couple of Batman trade paperbacks,

didn't know what the hell was going on with them

because Batman was too, too involved for my tiny

brain at the time. But I enjoyed reading comics

and stuff back then. Whereas now, I'll try to

go back and I'll read a comic and I'm like, okay,

I like this, I like this, I like where the story

is going. Oh, wait. And I'll tell you what I'm

talking about here, but I... It's because of

the 2003 Daredevil movie and Kevin Smith's involvement

with that. I wanted to see what he did with Daredevil

in his one issue, or I don't know if it's just

one issue, but the Daredevil book he wrote. I

don't know if you know what I'm talking about.

I generally know what you're talking about. I

can't remember the name of it, but I remember

it. kevin smith's daredevil it's um... god i'll

have to look it up later but anyway so i'm reading

this book i'm reading this book i'm liking where

it's going i'm liking where it's going and then

you get to the end and it turns out the main

villain is fucking mysterious and i'm like really

fuck it really i read this entire book and it

turns out the villain is fucking mysterious really

kevin smith writes a comic where the villain

is a film maker That's a hit in a little close

to home, I think. But it's like... I mean, even

if it wasn't Kevin Smith writing that book, and

it was still that same story, I would still have

been, what the fuck? Why? Because the way it

was written, at least to me, the way I interpreted

it as written was it was like this big, bad,

super huge villain, and it turns out to be...

Mysterio with his hollow cubes. Oh my gosh And

that's and that's why I really can't get into

comics Like you said, you're more of a you know

a visual medium kind of person. I'm the same

way that's why I won't read comics because they

just They just don't resonate with me, you know

and The only comics I read and if and it's only

if it's an interesting storyline the only comics

I actively seek out are the transformers timelines

Botcom comics because you're not gonna get a

2008 shattered glass comic in cartoon form. You're

just not gonna get that sadly, you know what

I mean? So yeah, those are really the only comics.

I like reading I just not the comics and I think

I think with the Avengers, you have to have been

into the comics from, at least from my point

of view, because, I don't know, it was just like,

like I said before, the - I don't feel like it

was terribly essential. I think you would enjoy

it more if you were already familiar with these

characters and were maybe seeing them animated

for the first time. You would definitely have

kind of that fanboy moment. Right. Well, I had

fanboy moments in in the movie, but this animation

no Hmm, let's see. Actually. I got into comics

around the same time you did because I didn't

really Other than like the odd Archie Ninja Turtles

comic that I got from my grandmother who knew

I liked Ninja Turtles I didn't really look into

Marvel or DC and tell After I was way way into

94 spider -man and I started getting some spider

-man comics in that was confusing as all get

out I think for me where I really get into it

was like Honestly, it was something that caught

my eye at a local Walden bookstore up in Massachusetts.

It was like It was like one of those what -the

-fuck double take kind of moments where you're

just kind of like walking by the comic racks

And you you see something you're like wait. What

was that? Holy fuck. What was that? You know

and it was spider -girl Oh spider -girl Spider

-man's dog like wait a second when the fuck did

spider -man have time to knock Mary Jane up Mayday

Parker that's spider -girl It's just more than

one spider girl. I don't know. This is the thing

that drives me crazy about comics There's so

many yeah, there's so many iterations so many

this so many that so all right and personally,

I don't know if I do this subliminally or just

It's probably just straight I trust animation

writers more than comic writers to tell me a

story that I'm gonna enjoy. But this show, like

I said, you would probably enjoy it more if you

had more knowledge on the comics, but I enjoy

being introduced to these characters, so that's

quite alright by me. And I like that it's an

Avengers series with the Avengers that I was

interested in seeing, like Captain America, You

don't see a lot of Captain. Captain America usually

gets like a cameo in other shows, and we never

got a solo series other than. Yeah, he's never

got a solo animated series. He's gotten guest

spots, like you said. I think the one, and again,

completely satirical. I don't know if those were

just shorts. I guess those were just shorts.

There was that Marvel shorts series. Yeah. Yeah,

those were just shorts. I got a segment for that.

He does kind of have a star, not a star, he does

have like a top build role in superhero squad

show, but superhero squad show is highly satirical

and you know, it's like, you know, Captain America

and that is like, hup, hup, hup, come on soldiers,

let's go, hup, hup, hup, let's go, we gotta get

this mission done, blah, blah, you know, that

kind of thing. So it's kind of really highly

satirical, but I honestly don't know. If you

could have a Captain America cartoon, a show

solely based on the story. I'm impressed with

what they were able to accomplish with storytelling

with the movie. This is me coming from completely

left field and not even knowing too much about

Captain America and his comics. The only villain

I ever known him to go up against is hydra and

the red skull There's so many hydra and red skull

episodes of a cartoon series that you can do

That's true. I mean, you know, look, you know,

look at look at mask The the only villain in

that show is venom. You know what I mean? And

there's you know, that's like saying the only

villain in Ninja Turtles is shredder. I Don't

really see a problem with it as long as the stories

are interesting. Okay, but Okay, but what I'm

saying is, like, every week, the M .A .S .T.

team went up against the Venom team, but it was

still... No, actually, I could see how it would

be absolutely awful to have Captain America solo

series when all he does is go up against Hydra

in the red skull. Exactly, that's what I'm saying.

would just get ridiculous with his plans. Yeah,

that's what I'm saying is that that that's why

I don't think it'll work. Yeah. Be like GI Joe.

We already had GI Joe. We didn't need Captain

America to tell us GI Joe. Yeah, I'm seeing where

maybe for a short series, it would work. But

really, I enjoy Captain America in proximity

with other characters. Yeah. Well, you know,

if Marvel was going to do, and I know they've

tried to do this because you mentioned earlier

about the Avengers... United They Stand. No,

not that cartoon series, the movies. The Ultimate

Avengers. Marvel has attempted to do what DC

does with the direct -to -DVD videos, the direct

-to -DVD movies. I could see a direct -to -DVD

Captain America movie. Oh yeah. No, I can see

that kind of thing, but I can't see Captain America

in a weekly 26 episode cartoon series or even

a 13 episode card. I just don't think there's

enough material there I'm traveling or dimensions

or they always do the time traveling with Captain

America. Come on. Yeah, but As far as the voice

cast for Earth's Mightiest Heroes... Let me talk

about the show still. Oh, do we? Well, no, I

was going to talk about the voice cast first,

then talk about the show. Yeah, but usually what

happens is we talk about the voice cast and then

we don't really talk about the show other than

the voice cast. I will make sure we talk about

the show. Let's just get the voice cast out of

the way, dammit. You've got... Eric Loomz as

Iron Man slash Tony Stark, you've got Rick D.

Wasserman as Thor, Fred Tatashor as Hulk, Brian

Bloom as Captain America Steve Rogers, Wally

Wingert as Ant and Giant Man, Colleen O'Shaughnessy

as Wasp, James C. Mathis as Black Panther, Chris

Cox as Hawkeye, and Phil Lamar as Jarvis, yay!

Best voice out of the entire show so far You

also have Vanessa Marshall as Black Widow Alex

Desert as Nick Fury Gabriel Mann as Bruce Holy

shit, Augie from summer catch. Oh my god. I did

not even recognize that voice Because he wasn't

talking in his New England accent Jonathan Adams

as Kang, Nola North as Scientist Supreme, Lance

Henriksen as the Grim Reaper, Nola North again

as... Is that... Oh, it's Balder? Balder. Weird.

Carrie Walgreen as the Enchantress. That's interesting.

The Enchantress is voiced by the gal who voiced

Emma Frost. Yup. You got Clancy Brown as Odin.

I thought that was pretty interesting. It's always

interesting when Clancy Brown doesn't play the

bad guy. You got Mark Hamill as Claw. That's

pretty interesting, I would say. Overall, the

voice cast is pretty damn good. You got Bumper

Robinson as War Machine. I don't know about that.

I think he did a good job. I recently watched

an episode when he showed up. This feels like

a really, I want to say, Hollywood type cast.

Where they really dip into areas where people

don't normally voice cartoons end up in roles.

And I always appreciate that. And there's also

some people that came from Doing a lot more work

in anime dubbing and this I just kind of random

Doc Samson is voiced by cam Clark Leonardo That's

kind of I love that kind of stuff I always love

finding cam Clark and things in towns and Coleman

Barry Gordon and of course Rob Paulson's and

so many things Yes, Rob Paul's not this show.

I don't think Rob's in this show. No, I don't

think he is too bad Overall the voice cast is

pretty well put together You know very well done

type of stuff, so Do you have a favorite Avenger?

Do I have a favorite Avenger? I'm really liking

Captain America in this I'm liking Hulk. Hulk's

pretty entertaining You probably don't see much

of his personality in those earlier episodes,

but he he gets to be pretty entertaining and

Yeah, Iron Man, I don't really like Iron Man

as the leader Yeah but I Guess it works for this

show. Yeah, I like Captain America As far as

Hulk, the most comedic bits out of Hulk that

I've seen in any cartoon is, again, Superhero

Squad show. Why phone? Why phone ring? It's so

funny. You know, I'm still going to give this

show a watch through. even though i'm only nine

episodes in right now and i'm still gonna finish

the first season on netflix and and and see if

i i'm not to the point where this show is basically

just made me say fuck it i'm done uh... you know

i'm keeping open mind about it because i do want

to learn about these characters but just from

uh... you know as i said before just from what

i've seen so far it just isn't really my thing

Now, as far as the plot of the show, I'll take

season one, you can take season two. In season

one... What? Wait, you don't even know that much

about season one, and season two's just barely

started. So? The paragraphs are short, dammit.

Okay, whatever as the world's most dangerous

super villains break out of the vault the cube

and the big the big house and the raft four of

Earth's mightiest heroes four of years mightiest

heroes assemble it as a crime -fighting alliance

called the Avengers the Avengers team includes

Iron Man as team leader Ant -Man Thor the Hulk

and the Wasp Captain America Black Panther and

Hawkeye have since joined the roster when it

comes to season finale. It was revealed that

Thor's brother Loki was responsible for the breakouts

and having enchantress form the masters of evil

so what i'm learning in the last i don't know

month or so is that the avengers rogues gallery

is essentially loki and any other asgardian that

isn't on the side of good that's really all their

rogues gallery is As a as a team well, you're

not gonna get a solo Thor show Actually there

was supposed to be a solo Thor show but that

didn't happen Probably because I realized huh,

we're using all of his significant villains Yeah,

really it's gonna feel like a rehash. I Mean

I know you know on Because we're talking about

this cartoon. I'm also going to you know make

references to that awesome movie Knew the movie

was going to be you know a low -key sent I mean

that that was the whole plot of the Marvel Cinematic

Universe was that Loki was going to come back

and and and do all that You know what he did

in the movie and What was revealed as? For a

future sequel to that movie was kind of awesome

So I would say that character is another like

a main like avengers team rogues gallery villain

uh... that blue and purple guy uh... those of

you who don't know what i'm talking about just

look it up you'll know uh... but uh... you use

you talk about the show cuz i i just don't Well,

they crammed a lot of stories into the first

season you have the the the enchantress forming

the masters of evil you have the big breakout

which caused by Loki you have Kang show up You

have a little bit on the Cree like The Cree captain

Marvel shows up and I think one or two episodes.

And then that's just kind of foreshadowing to

what's to come in the second season. Right. So

they really focus mostly on the Asgardians causing

trouble and introduce a bunch of characters in

the first season. Oh, oh, right. And Ultron goes

nutso. her a bit too. So they tell a lot of stories

and I can understand how people would consider

it a bit complicated. But I really enjoy it.

It gives adequate time to every story that it

tells, which is good. Well, you only get 22 minutes.

I would say 17 of those 22 minutes are dedicated

to a main story, at least through the... I don't

know about the rest of season one. The rest of

the season doesn't even do that. At that point,

there are some that are like two episodes to

tell one story, and then there's little things

that happen throughout the season that lead up

to other things, and then there's kind of...

Side stories because you have you have the story

with Hawkeye and Black Widows situation yeah,

and You have the Masters of Evil and you have

Kang and you have Ultron So you basically go

from story to story? With these little plot threads

Continuing, but you have a couple of episodes

focusing on each or maybe even just one focusing

on each but you don't have like with the first

five or six episodes where they would have three

portions of it made of the shorts of the one

main hero and then one other thing foreshadowing

future events. So early in the series you're

building the team. There's actually some assembly

required or something like that where they're

disjointed like you would see in the movie when

they first come together, they're like, you know,

they don't play well with others right away.

They have to come together and realize that the

threat is bigger than themselves in this case.

And then they start working as a team and living

as a team, quite frankly, and they're living

in that house that Tony Stark has. And you have

the Hulk growing as a character since his agreement

with Banner is, I'll help these people if I'm

in control and you're not. Yeah. So you don't

see much of Banner other than Banner inside of

Hulk's head, thinking things through. So there's

always the obligatory Hulk goes on a rampage

story. Plus they... Probably wisely take a few

episodes to bring in Captain America instead

of throwing him in with all the rest in the big

breakout episode All right, and there's the gamma

the the gamma gamma world three -parter in which

they have to enter this gamma infused area and

that's where one of My friend tells me he really

likes this particular dynamic between the Hulk

and Hawkeye because they got kind of a bromance

going on They have a mutual respect that goes

very far Not that there's anything wrong with

that No, no, there's nothing wrong with that

and it's not even it's not sexual. It's just

they really like each other They're real. They're

real good pals They're best of buds But they're

not that are initially they have to kind of Come

to that mutual respect which makes for some Entertaining

moments. All right, and then there's the Black

Panther. There's like one episode focusing on

maintaining his society What have you So they

give you a little bit of everything basically

and they throw a lot at you but if you stick

with it and you see the plot threads coming together

you appreciate the universe building aspects

of the show as a whole and by the second season

where everybody's pretty much established well

well established even and you're seeing them

like take different parts of the team off on

various missions and you get to focus on other

characters like in the second season there's

an episode that focuses on the Ant -Man technology

being stolen and it gets Hank Pym gets the heroes

for hire Luke Cage and Iron Fist to track it

down for him because he doesn't want to ask the

Avengers because he has a character arc in which

he's not He blames himself for the Ultron situation,

and he doesn't he he has a very anti violence

policy, and it's established early on Yeah, which

makes ant -man kind of a compelling character

Where you have lost? Yeah But not as big of a

douche as he is in the ultimate movies where

he's a super douche and you have wasp who's really

up -ons with the whole bringing the team together

and fighting the good fight, whereas Hank is

just, I don't really want to do this, I wanted

to help people and I don't feel like you're really

helping people so much as fighting. So he gives

up his ant -man powers to his successor, who's

a guy who stole it, and he just thinks, you know,

you could be a hero, why not? So it'd be interesting

to see where that goes from there on But he was

totally just not not into the whole hero thing

Which does make him a bit of a douche actually

it's like the whole world's in trouble and you're

just like not into it Okay, sure. Why not? But

wasp is the complete opposite of that is like

go get him. Let's go beat him up And she's an

entertaining character. But I like the character

dynamic that they built with this show. It's

done a good job of highlighting the strengths

of various characters as characters. I've often

heard people say that they don't like the Hulk

by himself. They prefer the Hulk to be in the

middle of something. I don't know if I necessarily

agree with that because the Hulk can be a compelling

character by himself. But I do like the group

dynamic when he's not just a raging monster all

the time, where he has a personality that comes

out. Well, and again, I think where that personality

comes out is what just happened a few weeks ago

in Marvel's The Avengers, the live -action movie,

because that Mark Ruffalo... did a very decent

job of portraying both roles because you see

that the hulk is mark ruffalo and just not a

digital face with his voice you know i mean so

it's one of those things where yes the hulk can

be a compelling character but again the hulk

in captain america i'm actually surprised and

i i don't know how And we've already covered

it in the season of superheroes. I still don't

understand how the Hulk got his own cartoon series

because essentially that entire series was, me

Hulk smash, me Hulk in love with Betty and oh

no, me have to run from her dad. I mean, that's

essentially what that series was. Yeah, it was

essentially that. And that's, Hulk in that aspect

is very one dimensional, but if you take it as

a character development like what they did in

the actual film, he is a very compelling character

on his own. He can be a very compelling character

on his own. I agree. Let's get to comparing some

stuff here. As far as... comparing it with stuff

in its own stuff compared to its own franchise

I believe I enjoyed the movie more than I've

enjoyed watching this series and and this is

this cartoon is ten times better than United

They Stand white yes others in the same genre

of superheroes I don't know, I listed a bunch

of the other ones that we always list like X

-92 and Evo and Spider -Man 94 and Spidey Unlimited,

BTAS, STAS, JLU, but I don't know, I just...

I think I have more of an attachment to some

of those shows versus the Avengers team up type

of stuff. I don't know, what about you, any thoughts?

As far as Marvel cartoons go, for me, it's Spectacular

Spider -Man, followed by either this or Wolverine

and the X -Men. They're kinda tied for me right

now, but Avengers has the benefit of getting

a second season, so it's probably gonna pull

out in the end. But I don't take just one season

as... as a knock against something by any means

because Spectacular Spider -Man only got its

26 episodes. So, you know, as long as I really

enjoy the story, it doesn't matter if it was

26 or 52. It does matter, but I'm not going to

hold it against the show by any means. Right.

That's that's kind of about where it is. As far

as superhero team up shows go, not as good as

Young Justice. No. Yeah, so it's not as good

as Justice League either No, not as good as Justice

League it's and again, I think it's because I

think the reason why I say that is because of

the fact that Marvel has always been hey, let's

establish this character established this character

established they focused on establishing Multiple

individual characters. Yes, there are teams like

X -Men and X -Force and Excalibur and all that

stuff, but Spider -Man, Daredevil, Hulk, Punisher,

Ghost Rider, all of those are individual. Iron

Man, Silver Surfer. fantastic four is essentially

a group but all of those individual heroes that's

what marvel focuses on is is doing the individuals

where is dc focuses on individuals and the individuals

coming together to form the justice league so

they basically just like batman superman all

right let's get the justice league well they

did do batman beyond but that let's say that

neither here nor there but yeah right but i mean

right yeah As far as the story goes, they just

threw the other characters basically in there

for the first time. Well, again, I mean, it's

easy to do a Wonder Woman -centric episode, but

a Wonder Woman -centric cartoon series? I mean,

I know, of course, there's the Linda Carter television

series that happened, but I don't know. It's

the same thing with the Marvel heroes, like with

Captain America and Hulk. I don't know if Wonder

Woman or Flash or those type of characters. I

don't know if they can hold their own 13, 26,

52 episode cartoon series. Because you're going

to rerun out a story. Where I'm not understanding

what your gripe is with. the Marvel heroes coming

together because you say they're establishing

all these characters individually right they're

kind of better as the sum of their parts in my

opinion other than Spider -Man who's been traditionally

solo in animation well what I'm saying is like

and the X -Men who you know he is already a group

right right there what I'm getting at here is

is that for me DC does it better and has it more

ingrained with me as far as their team -ups like

they established Batman and Superman they went

to Justice League and then they within the five

seasons of just or five years of Justice League

they established all seven of those members plus

all the other ones whereas this Okay, we've had

Iron Man cartoons before we've had all cartoons

before Captain America has made guest appearances

in multiple shows and You know Thor has been

in multiple shows I just don't have the same

connection to the Marvel team up than I do the

DC team up I just I just don't That's totally

fair. You know As far as a rating zero to four

I would give it I Would give it probably a two

I don't mean that to be bad. That might change.

I hope it will change. I hope you actually like

it. I think you'll like it if you give it a few

more episodes. Well, right. I fully plan on finishing

watching it, but a two for the listing is show

is worth the watch if you come across it. I don't

know just yet and I'm sure it'll, I'm sure my

opinion will increase, but again, I think it's

because I don't have a connection to any of these

characters really that well. You know, I'm more

of a, you know, hey, what's, what's, you know,

what's DC going to do with George Newburn or

Kevin Conroy or Tim Daley or you know what I

mean? It's one of those things. What about you?

What do you rate it? I wouldn't recommend the

DVDs because they're only singles and we may

never get a collection. It's on Netflix. I highly

recommend watching it on Netflix. I'm gonna give

it a three with a tentative four. A three for

right now because you can DVR the second season

and watch it on Disney XD if you have it. Or

if you don't have it, you can actually watch

it on one of Marvel's websites or on the Disney

XD website after it airs. So you have a way to

catch it. So I would recommend watching it that

way as it airs. But because they're about to

push it off, well, not necessarily anytime soon,

but they're essentially axing this show for another

Revengers series. If you really start enjoying

this series, then I would probably recommend

collecting it because it may pull a vanishing

act like Spectacular Spider -Man did. So, wait

a second, why are they axing this now? In order

to make a Avengers cartoon that's both more in

line with the movie universe and also in the

same universe as Ultimate Spider -Man. Okay,

so then why did they... waste, you know, and

this isn't a market, this isn't me trying to

make a bad comment about this specific show.

Why did they waste all this money, promotion...

I don't know. It doesn't make any sense the way

they went about this show Obviously they they

made this show because they wanted to make a

big push for the Avengers movie, which they had

essentially been Like baiting us for since four

years 2008 since what? So they've been baiting

us with that since iron man so they're like well

we have to have a cartoon so they bring out the

cartoon the first season and Disney XD is really

bad at airing new shows like new cartoons because

they keep moving around the premiere slot for

a while this show was premiering on Sundays around

noon and not getting on course which is intolerable

crap Yeah, I don't understand Disney's problem

with utilizing Marvel, but they just I Wish Disney

didn't buy Marvel. It's just it's just a mess

It's very disappointing and the treatment of

this show is just ridiculous because They have

the 26 episodes of the first season and they

finally have all of those on DVD And it's on

Netflix because on the Marvel side of things

Marvel's trying to get the job done but Disney

XD is just doing a lousy job. They don't have

reruns of this show on weekdays right now. They

don't have additional reruns besides the encore,

and the movie is in theaters. They waited on

the second season, even though it was already

done quite a while ago, until right before the

movie came out and when they launched the Marvel

Universe block. You know, that's fine planning

and all, But if you're not going to properly

utilize it, then why even wait? It's like the

right hand doesn't know what the left hand is

doing. I can't stand this crap. It makes Cartoon

Network look comparable. It's ridiculous. Why

not have a marathon of this show? this weekend

or last weekend or next weekend but they're not

doing any of that and the movies making how much

money by now it's it's ridiculous other channels

are playing like FX is playing Iron Man and Iron

Man 2 and other superhero movies related to that

it's it's baffling how poorly this is being executed

it's baffling yes so yeah watch this show I really

think people will enjoy it. Maybe not the first

couple of episodes because of how they're formatted,

but the stories that those tell are good. Like

the introduction to Captain America is really

good. The introduction to the Hulk is really

good. I just wish they had handled it a little

better. Yep. There is kind of getting into the

quote -unquote when and where. There is a comic

book, the Avengers Earth Mightiest Heroes comic

book series written by Christopher Yost and artwork

by Scott Weinger and Patrick Sherberger was published

to accompany the series. It was a four -issue

limited series, an ongoing comic book series

till the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes Adventures

will debut in April 2012. Now see, if they're

gonna eventually axe this show, why are they

doing another comic series for it? Oh, God. Exactly.

It doesn't make any sense. They're putting so

much into it, and just no follow through. And

as you said, as far as DVD release, at least

in the US, we've had four volumes with seven,

six, six, and seven episodes on each. uh... which

is just so stupid in canada they have limited

edition season one part one season one part two

uh... complete first season on blu ray for all

twenty six yes box art for that that's ridiculous

they have like the title in three different languages

on the front cover and it looks awful that's

canada for you yeah that's for you they have

to you know speak canadian speak french canadian

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guys, JT from Saskatoon here. I'm calling in

with my thoughts on Avengers Earth's Mightiest

Heroes I'm gonna say first off. I love this cartoon.

This cartoon is so awesome I mean it mixes everything

from the comic history to the ultimate universe

to a bunch of the movie universe And that's the

best. It takes all these separate ingredients

and creates just a decidedly awesome cartoon

series. I mean, the guy that voices Tony Stark

does his best to do an imitation of Robert Downey

Jr., which is awesome, because as Kevin Conroy

is to Batman, Robert Downey Jr. is to Iron Man

now. The other thing I love about the show is

that there are all sorts of nods to Marvel comic

books history, like the fact that Captain America

is found by the Avengers in the fourth episode,

which is also where they found him in the original

comic book series back in the day in issue number

four of the Avengers. I mean, there's all these

nods to Marvel history. You get all sorts of

character cameos. Even in passing, like the first

episode with all the... snippets of all the different

Marvel supervillains that escaped from the four

prisons. You get all sorts of awesome voice actors.

You got Jeffrey Combs as the leader, we all know

as Ratchet from Transformers Prime, and The Question

from Justice League Unlimited. We get Fred Tassiore,

I think I said his name right, who's done the

Hulk voice for the last couple years in various

animation projects. The other thing, I just love

the animation style in this. Now, other animation

aficionados might argue this, but the animation

style is very much what's known in some circles

as a Kimitator, is very much inspired by the

Bruce Timm style of art that was shown in Justice

League and much of the other DCAU projects, and

I love it. Some of the characters are slightly

off, like Captain America kind of has a concave

face, but I'm gonna let that go. the writing

like I said the writing is awesome like they

Spend every episode adds a little something to

the overall arc of the season the first season

which is you know who let loose the pretty like

who opened the four superhuman prisons and Very

much by the end of the first season you find

out that Loki was pretty much behind everything

which is how the Avengers were brought together

in the comic books in the first place, like Loki

was just screwing with Thor, and he accidentally

brought about the Avengers, which is pretty much

what happens in the cartoon. I mean, they set

up so many things in the show, I mean, there's

references to mutants, there's the AIM Hydra

war, the Cosmic Cube, leading into the second

season, we're gonna be looking at the Kree Skrull

War, Secret Invasion, which was a much more modern

series, but basically, look up the wikis on both

So we are back and thank you JT for for that

Positive look at Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes

and yeah, I'm the only one here that's gonna

get your AA joke your animation aficionados joke

It's another podcast that he and I have both

guested on Why does he like Spectacular Spider

-Man? This is the best Spider -Man series ever.

This is not disputed. Yes, yes it is. No, it

is not. He brought up a lot of good points, which

I may or may not have lost over. It's really

great, and I feel like, similarly to how Justice

League Unlimited just hits you with so many things,

And then the Brave and the Bold likewise hits

you with so many things, gives you a nice expansive

universe, little nods to comics, little nods

to movies, other shows. I love that kind of stuff.

The only thing Brave and the Bold hit me over

the head with was fucking Oswald. Right. And

we have on record that you do not find the appreciation

of Brave and the Bold. Anyway. i don't know if

you don't know if you don't know that might from

rave in the bowl i like that might who who who

doesn't like that uh... always always and that

was such a fitting way in that show uh... that

might they're like this isn't cool anymore i'm

gonna exit out so it was right and you know that

can you imagine a marvel dc crossover That might

comes in at the end of Avengers is like this

show really sucks. I'm canceling it That's not

gonna happen, but the show's gonna get cancelled

anyway Yeah With nods to all the other Marvel

characters, and there's so much more to come

in season two from the looks of it I mean they

just introduced Luke Cage and Iron Fist which

are way, way, way a billion times better than

their interpretations in NOT Ultimate Spider

-Man, Ultimate Spider -Fail, whatever. I can't

come up with an insult good enough yet, but I

will. I will. Because I'm bitter. And only bitter

people come up with the best insults. Isn't that

right, Mike? That's right. That's right, so yeah,

so you got those guys So many more characters

spider -man is gonna show up Wolverine is gonna

show up probably other x -men. They've already

hinted to others the Fantastic Four just showed

up Super exciting if you love the Marvel universe

this show is just gonna go everywhere. I don't

think Deadpool is gonna show up and that makes

me sad But that would have been awesome. I don't

really agree with the the characters looking

that bruce tim ask i mean maybe in like the shape

of the bodies but that's yeah i i think that's

what he was meaning that's that's whatever that

is but like the face is not even a little bit

hey at least at least none of them have a dent

in their face at least none of them have a dent

in their face superman doomsday Actually, if

I was going to make a comparison to animation

styles, I would say this looks most like 2003

Ninja Turtles. Yeah, I could see that. I could

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