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This is episode 59. I am your host, Steve Giovanmike,

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Hello. Hello! How are you? Doing very well. Yes,

yes. and uh... it seems like it was just a few

episodes ago that we were here talking about

bad books and that's because it was folks it

was about four and a half five episodes ago in

episode fifty five that we talked about the twenty

seven issues we're here now today to talk about

the twenty eight issues and before we do that

there is one book that i do want to briefly mention

uh... for you to look at the crux of the episode

here is uh... Batman and Robin annual number

two written by Peter J Tomaski with art by Doug

Manke I believe is how you pronounce the name

The cover is Batman and Dick Grayson Robin. This

is a year one week one adventure of the original

Robin and it basically starts out with Nightwing

and Dick Grayson is Nightwing and Damien Wayne

is Robin having this conversation. And Dick proceeds

to tell Damien about his first week as Robin.

It's a very heartwarming story. Ladies and gentlemen,

you will not hear me usually talk about Damien

Wayne in a positive light. but this issue really

made me like the character probably the only

time I will ever utter those words because in

general I just don't like him I don't like the

fact that he's constantly the most arrogant guy

in the room for the most part like this kid is

more arrogant than flash and flash is pretty

arrogant at times but it was a nice little touching

story with a nice little roundabout twist At

the end about the villain of the issue, and I

really liked it. I like flashing back now This

is how you tell an origin story One issue 40

pages not 12 issues and God knows how many pages

Yeah I love the art the art is really awesome

Wayne Manor never looked so good I love the character

designs I thought they were all really, really

good. I love the camaraderie between Bruce and

Dick because I can so hear Kevin Conroy and Lauren

Lester from the animated series in my head as

I'm reading it. It was very, very interesting

read. Highly suggest you pick it up even at the

$4 .99 cover price. It's still worth it. What

else have you been reading outside of the bat

books? Have you just been centralizing on those

or you reading picking up any other stuff? I

haven't really been picking up any other stuff,

although I want to Just for the fact that I don't

have the extra income to blow on it right now

I do wish that I did because I Skimmed through

a couple of IDWs transformers regeneration Only

because I used to collect the old Marvel comics

so therefore it is relevant to me. Yes, so I

If it were possible, I mean, I mean obviously

it is but I would I Would pick them up I just

I think at this point because I'm so far behind

and they're about three issues from being done

I think I'm gonna wait Trades. Trades. Because

I really do want to pick it up to complete that

story. I have scans of all of the original Marvel

comics since I, as a kid, when I was younger,

had to sell them all off. I'm not thrilled with

that aspect. But because of that, I don't have...

I don't have them anymore, and I wish I did,

but that's just something I'll have to pick up

when that time comes. But that's definitely one

thing I want to pick up again. I don't really

know of any others offhand that I would collect,

only for the fact that my interests have vastly

shifted. Same here And it's not it's not that

I I'm trying to Hate on certain franchises because

I'm not it's just I don't care about some of

them anymore So, I mean it that's part of it

I don't know. It's just it's it's kind of tough

to decide Any more really what to collect because

a lot of it's just kind of hit or miss Well,

you know I've stated I stated last time in episode

55 I currently get one two three Usually four

or five different Batman titles and I do count

Batgirl and Nightwing as a Even though they are

their own titles. They're part of the bad family,

so I count those So I'm getting currently five

of them With some of the other stuff that DC

is doing like he man of the Masters universe

forever evil Batman Beyond batsick Batman 66

you know I'll still get that kind of stuff, but

almost want to stop getting zero year at this

point and just wait for the ding trades that

are gonna come out for it because Zero year is

just dragging me down. It really really is I

don't really care for the story. I'm one of those

people that if you show me an origin story, I

only need to see it once and That's that whereas

We had the Batman number zero, which I thought

that was supposed to be the new 52 origin of

Batman and then after death of the family They're

like, oh, where can we go from here? Let's let's

do this or this do this 12 -part origin story

here and It's fine There are times where I've

been really excited about it and just I would

say issues 26 and 27 just really just drug me

down I just did not like them, but there is a

silver lining because after what you'll hear

later today in this episode with issue 28 of

Batman I'm very excited I'm more of the the reader

that likes the future stories like oh my god

how did this happen what happened here and then

tell me how it happened so when we get to Batman

28 I will be much more upbeat than I was talking

about 27 and with With Detective Comics, I only

started picking it up because of the zero -year

issue, the tie -in with Commissioner Gordon and

then the Goth -Topia arc that's currently going

through 27 through 29 of that series. And I already

still have Detective Vol. 1 and Vol. 2, so I

will still get Detective, but I won't be getting

it in singles anymore. After issue 29, I'll go

back and grab the trades. But I am liking what

I'm reading so far. Batgirl, obviously, I'll

still get. Nightwing's ending, so that choice

is kind of limited for me. But yeah, that's what's

going on with the both of us as far as our tastes,

and I find that I'm more interested in stuff

that... IDW is coming out with like they're doing

a 24 ongoing series based on the TV series They're

doing Rocky and Bullwinkles coming up Dexter's

lab is coming up. I'm So I'm not just I know

a lot of people say oh the pullback They're just

DC fanboys and they're just this and they're

just that and I try my best on this show to bring

you guys the listeners and the fans enough the

whole Process for me in the show in this podcast

is to give you variety of what I think you might

like or what I think you I might be able to get

you guys to read and yes, it basically started

with DC, but it doesn't mean that it's going

to end with DC because DC right now is just making

me mad all kinds of man all the time So with

that we're gonna get to the bat books 28 issues

after this I'm not really a people person, but

when you need help and you will Alright folks,

first up in the Bat Books 28 issues, we see the

second of the three -part arc, Goftopia Inside

Detective Comics number 28, written by John Layman,

art by Aaron Lopresti. The cover is Batman and

Catburg. I just... weird name for her. weird

superhero name for her first off I have to say

I like the cover yes I like this different rendition

of Batman even though it's similar to a lot of

the stuff in the past it's more of a silvery

Batman and then cat bird which is Catwoman mixed

with night with Robin yes it was interesting

and then it kind of goes through the motions

but it's showing that Batman everybody thinks

Batman's crazy hmm he's an Arkham well the funny

thing is is all the villains are kind of in on

it yeah but they look like to everybody else

they look normal yeah they look like real doctors

whereas Batman knows that they're not yeah and

he's the only one so everybody thinks he's nuts

and being that he built the security system in

Gotham, or in Arkham. He takes all of his little

backdoor tricks, breaks out, and ends up confronting

Ivy, who's the only one immune to this new fear

toxin that Scarecrow comes up with. And it basically,

instead of putting them in fear, it puts them

in this intense... Calm because it shows them

everything that they wish everything was So it

gives them this intense calm and so when he does

use his fear toxin It sends them actually to

the loony bin and fries their brain So that's

Scarecrow's whole plan in that but Batman ceiling

went immune to it at this point and Poison Ivy.

Poison Ivy, yeah. It was nice seeing them team

up, and it's nice seeing them do banter back

and forth on that second page from the beginning.

When you see the doctors on the other side, I'm

like, okay, there's something up with this. These

have to be, before I even looked on the next

page to see Batman's description of the doctors

and showing you the real identities of them.

As soon as I saw the pigtails behind the glass,

I'm like, yeah, there's something definitely

up with this, because you just can't show Harley

with pigtails and not realize, hey, look, it's...

I only know Mr. Professor Pig from the Beware

the Batman cartoon. As do I. I don't think I've

ever seen that villain before, so if listeners

want to comment on this episode and let us know

where Mr. Hello, Mr. Pig. It's Mr. Pig! Yeah,

I keep wanting to emulate Pumba from The Lion

King. They call me Mr. Pig! Yeah, but anyway,

Professor Pig, if listeners will comment on this

episode, let me know where the villain comes

from, because I've only ever seen him used in

the board in the Batman cartoon and comic until

this issue here in Detective, so... um i absolutely

love the art i think that's awesome i think it's

really cool you got croc as a janitor mop the

floor yeah i think that's really really awesome

but like i said i love the art i really do like

how you know you were saying about that batman's

cowl and his actually the only thing that's really

black on him are his gloves and his like you

know skater shin pads and stuff like that and

obviously his cape but i really do love the gray

silverish look and especially uh next to cat

bird uh with her black and red look i i really

do like the the the contrast between them oh

yeah uh it's really really cool um i wish i had

i don't know You or somebody else can do this

if they want, but I really wish I had the image

of the page where Batman says Encoded myself

a back door and you see him running away. I love

that shot of him running away It's kind of cool.

He's not running. He's running. I'm not saying

he's running away I'm just saying that the way

that the artist has imposed it. It's a really

really cool image um overall i really enjoyed

this issue i enjoyed even though i was a little

negative on detective 27 last time around i did

still enjoy the goth topia story the part one

of goth topia and see this is how you do a three

-part arc you don't make the middle issue just

as boring as hell uh you make it exciting to

lead up into the finale and um when I read Batgirl

last month it was like tune into Detective 28

to see the outcome of Barbara Gordon and the

last page of this is why not ask your friends

next fear family and it's Batwoman Batwoman I

believe that's Catwoman and Batgirl with all

Scarecrow masks on And I'm like, oh my god, where

is this title gonna go? It's so awesome. Absolutely

love detector 28 Storytelling is very well done.

The art is is amazing Absolutely enjoyable book

All right, did you have a chance to check out

batgirl 20 no, no, oh you missed out on something

really really awesome. Well, I Know you have

this affinity and love for bad girl. I just don't

care for I Really don't it's it's nothing against

the character per se I just I I don't I don't

get into her whole Thing I don't know Fans of

Twilight should not have picked this book up

The cover is done by Alex Gardner and it's introducing

a new villain introducing silver the vampires

of Gotham will he destroy the vampires of Gotham

and it's basically him with a silver pistol with

a vampire -ish like Batgirl over top of him like

she's ready to pounce absolutely love that color

that cover from Alex Gardner The story here is

is this guy seems to this guy silver seems to

think that all that the entire bat family and

Gotham are real vampire bats Yeah, that's just

crazy talk Yeah, I know it's crazy talk, but

the guy's crazy so but basically he has All of

their their superhero identities, Batman, Nightwing,

Damien, even though Damien has an axe on his

head since obviously he's dead, Batgirl and Commissioner

Gordon. And the story goes, no, it's a good story.

No, I'm saying how is he gonna know who they

all are? No, no, no, no, I'm saying that in the

image... He has a picture he on his computer

screen. He has images of Batman Nightwing Robin

Batgirl and Commissioner Gordon all the superheroes

are in costume Except for Dick Grayson since

his identity was already revealed in forever

evil so I'm not saying that Silver knows their

secret identities. I'm saying that he has pictures

of them in the costumes on his computer so he

basically goes out hunting and and Batgirl is

also looking for several people and She runs

into Strix the Talon The last time we saw her

was back in annual number one for Batgirl And

the relationship between these two they are friends

Strix is Something happened to her when when

the court of owls took her and she doesn't talk

so It was really interesting to see how the art

and the writing from Gail's you know the the

art from Fernando passer and colors by clapping

Jonathan clapping on Along with Gail writing

it was interesting to see how well the two of

them teamed up and it's basically like Sticks

because she can't talk she has to play charades,

and she has to point and try to get her Try to

try to you know make that girl understand that

way And it's a very very cool concept This issue

was just an absolute delight to read it was really

really fun They actually team up as a pair of

That girl falsifies them as Gotham City detectives

and they team up to go to them because they have

to find this missing girl In this missing girl

Apparently silver the villain seems to believe

that she is the vampire queen for some reason

We don't know why it's not really it's not really

Not really explained in this this first part

of the story art but uh... uh... it's it's interesting

and gail actually does poke fun at twilight so

it's not silver being all sparkly he uh... yeah

so and next the conspiracy of bats no i you know

it's just one of those things where my my love

for batgirl Obviously stems from DC animated

universe from BTIS new Batman adventures Batman

Beyond stuff like that and you know I used to

love her in the 66 Adam West series with Yvonne

Craig playing the role of Barbara Gordon bad

girl and You know people might say oh new 52

she gets her legs back That's such a croc and

whatever else I thought it was great because

yes Well, I knew of the killing joke and I knew

what the Joker did to her and I knew that she

became Oracle I didn't really grasp the whole

thing So when the new 52 when I got into comics,

thanks to you. So technically this is all your

damn fault. When I got into it, I'm like, oh,

this is so cool. She's recovered. She's working

her way back. She's finding her way back to becoming

the alter ego she once was. And ever since then,

it's just been a thrill ride for me because Batgirl...

As a title is not just a superhero book. It is

a psychological superhero book You know I said

in my spoiler -free review of this issue. I have

no idea how Gail Simone keeps you know Basically

pulling the rug out from under me every time

I read one of these issues With the stories that

she's writing. It's it's absolutely amazing so

All right here we go Nightwing 28, Kyle Higgins

second to last issue. Now, when I first saw the

cover to 28, which is basically a whole bunch

of hands reaching out to basically strangle Nightwing,

I'm like, oh no, this is where Forever Evil catches

up. This is not good. Stuff's gonna hit the fan,

everything else. The art in this issue is done

by Russell Dauterman. And the art is, you know,

I've sung the praises of Eddie Barrows, the original

artist, I've sung the praises of Brit Booth,

of Will Conrad. All very, very well done artists.

There are a couple of moments in Booth's and

Conrad's runs where something might have looked

a little off to me, but nothing to... destroy

my enjoyment of reading the story and Kyle's

writing is still top -notch the opening panel

is basically Batgirl is flying tackle leaping

him and they are both falling to the city street

below and the caption is okay I can explain and

then you flip the page and he says or maybe It's

not what it looks like, would be better. So,

this isn't really Batgirl. This is a new villain,

or an old villain maybe. A guy calls himself

Spinebender. Now, again, I'm not sure. Again

fans, please comment on the episode Let me know

if spinebender has been around before this is

the first I've ever heard of him now I do know

that spinebender might the name might be a takeoff

of spell binder from Batman Beyond But spinebender

is basically the male mystique of the DC universe

at this point. He is a shape -shifter He can

shift into all kinds of shapes. He turns into

Batgirl. He turns into Batman I think at one

point he turns into Damian as Robin and The whole

first half of the issue is basically Nightwing

trying to get away from this guy trying to stop

this guy from basically attacking him And the

battle ends and and what happens here I want

you to know you have every right to hold what

you're holding against me Yeah, basically Spidenbender

kind of blows up a little bit and then the rest

of the story is We flash to the jail and we find

that Tony Zuko is in jail and his daughter Sonya

comes to visit him And then last issue in 27

the little girl Jen Figured out that Dick Grayson

is Nightwing because she found his secret floorboard

stash of his uniform and everything else so they

are They they've been Dick and his roommates

have been babysitting her and Basically this

this issue is Kyle tying up all the loose ends

This is really what it is. He ties up the loose

ends with Sonya. He kind of ties up the loose

ends with Tony Zuko And then there's this whole

thing with this Jen character this little kid

character that she She knows the secret and It

basically it's trying to Mimic Dick's life is

what Kyle is trying to do because a new villain

called Zazz I believe like I could be saying

that long Is he really? Okay, well he's back.

He's back and he basically kills Jen's parents.

And because she knows Dick's secret, she wants

to join him, help him take this guy down. She

wants to become his female Robin. and it basically

ends with and what I love about DC and some of

their stuff and how they lay out their books

is like in detective we got got we got the the

credits part of the comic like in the very beginning

like the second or third page where it said goth

topia part two of three the title for this one

doesn't happen until the last page that it could

happen. It says Butterfly Effects, and then it

reveals Mr. Zazz, and it says next, the end.

So, I have no idea what to expect for the last

issue for Kyle. Dotterman on a heart. This issue

is absolutely amazing. The story, again, Kyle

writes amazing Nightwing stories. He really does.

Absolutely loved it. It was really really good

so next up Let's go to the future we have Batman

28 the main cover is a jail cell and if you turn

the book 90 degrees You can see that the keyhole

is of a bat Hmm and it says a secret glimpse

into Batman eternal Written by Snyder and James

Jenny in the fourth art by Dustin and Jen and

Derek Fridolph's You know what folks as much

as as much negativity as I give zero year I cannot

wait for Batman eternal after reading this just

Cannot wait Because it is so awesome basically

we have Gotham soon and apparently there's a

curfew now and the police are going to enforce

the curfew on Harper Rowe now I didn't really

care for Harper all that much when she appeared

back in Batman was it what issue was it 18 or

19 one of them issues might have been Yeah, cuz

it was after death of the family it was those

yeah, it was Batman 18 Wow, the Requiem issue

for Damien when he died She appeared there and

I kind of basically didn't really didn't like

her didn't hate her just kind of okay So this

has her Trying to find the new kingpin of Gotham

City because someone is organizing the crime

in Gotham and I love the art here because you

actually have You actually have her going up

to this very very large old white man But I mean

largest he's both tall and wide and he does kind

of resemble Marvel's kingpin He says I'm he says

I'm not the boss I'm not here to help you. I'm

here to hurt you. So yeah, you Yeah, I'm the

muscle. Yeah And apparently Harper is working

with Batman And she is blue bird. I will say

that this whole when we originally saw this design

for Harper supposedly at the time supposedly

the new Nightwing I was like oh hell no they

better not do Nightwing like that but since she's

her technically her own character and she has

her own name for her superhero I kind of dig

it I'm really like I the whole time I read Batman

28 I was like yes bring it on give me more absolutely

loved it What are some of your thoughts about

28? I thought it was kind of interesting how

they handled the whole Harper Row. I'm not a

huge fan of her, but how they handled it in this

aspect I'm fine with. So yeah, I mean I I don't

know I I like the fact that for one they've gone

back to their roots with having a legitimate

Storyline Mm -hmm So, I mean in that aspect I'm

glad that they're you know that they're jumping

ahead to present time Yes And I do like that

Harper as Bluebird has her own style of quips

and Like like where they're good guys, you know,

okay everybody last call and then the reveal

of the kingpin of crime It's Selena Kyle. Did

you expect that at all? Not really So yeah, it's

basically Selena versus Batman. They have a long

diatribe Conversation is actually really really

good. It kind of reminds me of Batman returns

a little bit and how Michael Keaton Batman and

Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman had their back -and

-forth play but you can definitely tell something

is Absolutely different about this new future

for for Batman and the end of the issue we have

uh... uh... her name is stephanie brown she calls

herself spoiler and she's the only one of the

city who knows how to stop what's coming next

so yes definitely browns back everybody that

knew about her in the first place can rejoice

uh... i personally don't give a rat's ass This

says the story begins in Batman eternal number

one on sale this April so after reading this

issue I'm really stoked for eternal As someone

who had never read Stephanie Brown beforehand

I'm alright with With her coming back into the

new 52 because I have zero exposure to her. I

want to know more about her So I'm interested

that way same thing with Harper Rowe As long

as they weren't going to basically make Harper

a female Nightwing, I was going to be more than

happy. And I really was. Batman 28, absolutely

enjoyed every minute of it. It was a fun ride,

it was a fun glimpse, and it really got me stoked

for Batman Eternal. I can't wait for that now.

And next month we go back to boring on zero year

yep boring boring boring So any of the thoughts

on Batman 28 No, I mean it's it's overall a good

issue and I'm sure fan favorites will Like the

fact that they brought back Stephanie Brown,

so yeah Like you know, like I said, I like the

whole mysteriousness of it of How did all this

happen? How is Catwoman now in charge of the

Gotham underground and the Gotham criminal element?

I want to know more about that. So that's what

I'm really stoked about for for Batman eternal

You know, I Don't know. I just I really loved

all the books that I read this month. I thought

they were all great I can't wait to see what

the conclusion is for detective. I can't wait

to see more of this new arc in Batgirl obviously

the ending of Nightwing is coming up and You

know I'll stay open to the final chapter of Dark

City, but the only thing is I know that issue

is supposed to be double -sized and I'm not really

excited about that, but I'm not really excited

about paying more money for a book. Yeah. No,

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be able to rate some of these since you didn't

read some But detective, what do you give it?

Overall I'd probably give it a 8 out of 10 just

it it was kind of It was good for the most part

it just parts of it were kind of predictable

My interest is waning you can tell really it's

active. I'm just comics in general For me For

me, I'm gonna give it a five out of five, which

is perfect on the GCN Universal scale I loved

everything about the art was great. The writing

the story just ramps up in this issue For Batgirl

and Nightwing, I'm gonna give both of those a

five, as per usual. The writing, the art, there

wasn't too many things about either one of them

that would cause me to take off a point. Batman,

I'm gonna give a five. I absolutely loved it

because it's just one of those things that, as

I said at the beginning of the show, I prefer

these future storylines to origin stories. And

just the twists and the turns and how they're

gonna Where are they gonna go and how are they

gonna deal with it after this absolutely loved

it? What about you own Batman? I love the fact

that they're going back to the future It's a

lot more interesting for me when They they do

it that way rather than going back in the past

so I it actually made me want the issue yeah

whereas it's gonna be increasingly difficult

for me to scoot past uh zero year and being the

completionist that i am i have to have the rest

of it in order to get to the next saga well even

though i don't want to pay for it not necessarily

i mean yeah you do have to get the rest of batman

to get past zero year but for this story 28 since

it's a glimpse into eternal eternal is a brand

new brand new year -long series Oh, I know and

I'm looking so bad. Yeah But yeah, I see your

point about having a weight weight through zero

year like it was a very very steamy swamp You

know, I don't know like I said I'm super stoked

for eternal and I'm liking how Kyle is wrapping

up Nightwing. I just wish it wasn't ending because

I enjoy it so much. With all these changes in

the DC universe, there's going to be major changes

in how the pullbag covers the Batbooks. I do

know since Batman... I always called it Batman

Weekly. Surprised they didn't even call it that

themselves with Batman eternal being a weekly

series coming out for four straight weeks in

April I do know that the first episode in May

of the bat books or We might just do it as a

separate episode on set the bat books coverage

and said the pullback is gonna change Dramatically

we may not depending on what zero year does this

style of Batgirl Nightwing Batman Any other titles

that are bat related may not be a bat books episode

because I do know that I will be taking Batgirl

out of the mix and Kind of branching her off

into her own separate episodes because I'm just

not enjoying zero year enough And you already

said your interest in general in comics is waning

So I'm trying to figure out a way to still continue

to cover the stuff that I enjoy Without having

to wade through a bunch of crap So, like I said,

Batman Eternal will be its own episode coming

up in May. The rest of it, I'm still working

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