Transformers Fall of Cybertron One-Shot Review

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this this isn't the Power Rangers show we do

No, oh, I'm so confused. I'm just kidding. How

you doing? Thanks, Mike. I was totally joking

No, I don't. But no, the pullback is GCRN's comic

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episode to this point. It's all Steve Megatron's

fault. He got me reading Batman with Death of

the Family. We needed a place after the events

of Death of the Family to put our comic book

stuff without having it clog up the main podcast,

the flagship show, Geek Caster Dear Network.

So that's where this show is. And I wanted to

do something unique and different with this versus

just, hey, let's review comics, which we'll do

that later on in this episode. To kind of do

a, you know, kind of do a question and answer

type of deal. And I've had several different

people on pretty much. With the exception of

this episode every other like And question and

answer episode has been all the odd episodes

episode 3 episode 5 episode 7 This is the first

one where it's been a little even Oh boy, so

Scotty, let's start with you. Was there a specific

moment as a kid where you got into comics? Was

there a certain family member or something that

got you into comics, or how did you start reading

comics? Well, actually reading comics was probably

around the time that the X -Men cartoon came

out. Was it the Uncanny X -Men? Yeah. And that's

kind of where my love for comics comes from,

is I can't get enough of something. I go in,

I go in deeper within, you know, side stories

or comic books or regular books and stuff like

that. And I just couldn't get enough of that

cartoon because I was absolutely in love with

it. So I started collecting comics. Now, you

know, I probably bought in Superman comics here

or there, maybe looked at the pictures, never,

never read it. I never read read a comic until

that cartoon was on the air. But that's what

that's how I got started. What about you, Spader?

Where do you start in the whole comic book realm?

Actually, it's thanks to my dad. Interesting.

I'd say he got me Fantastic Four number 300.

Oh, awesome. And of course it was the one where

Johnny Storm and Alicia Masters got married,

but if you're a Fantastic Four fan, you know

that that Alicia Masters was actually a Skrull

named Lila. Oh, boy. I'm surprised you remember

that. It's coming it came up like a couple of

years, but well it came up just before they rebooted

the Entire universe with the onslaught thing

hmm That's a while back. Yeah, that was a while

ago So yeah that that was my first Comic book

now. I had had some comics here or there like

I have I have the original transformers car wash

of doom comic mint don't ask me I have no idea

where I got it no idea but I've been reading

comics ever since and I had had quite a substantial

comic book collection until a water pipe in my

parents house burst and destroyed all my comics

oh yeah we're look um I I Oddly enough, the month

before, I had had them all appraised, and it

was around $30 ,000 worth of comics. Oh my god.

So I guess me putting in the Armada Optimus Prime

joke is a bad thing right about now. Eh. Wow,

that sucks. Yeah, because I had... Pretty much,

you know in the early 90s they pretty much rebooted

just about everything or started up new stuff

of everything and I had every single original

image comic and they're Super hard to get like

the foil ones the silver foil the gold foiled

I had a comic that was It was the There were

only 500 of them made. It was the original X

-Force, the first issue. It was the fold -out

cover that was all four of the covers that they

produced on one cover. And it was, like, gilded

in, like, that stupid gold. Oh, wow. And that

thing alone was worth, at the time, like, $4

,000. Oh, my God. That's no good. Yeah, that's

not good at all So Scotty, what are you currently

reading these days? Are you Marvel DC any other

like? outside of the big two I haven't read a

Marvel comic book since I don't know. It's probably

been 15 15 20 years, but I read I was reading

a lot of the new 52 stuff. I was reading like

Green Lantern Superman Action Comics, Batman,

well Batman and Robin actually. Maybe Nightwing,

there was a couple of them I was reading where

I just kinda got, I kept up with Superman and

Action Comics and then when I heard it was gonna

like stop again or like reboot or whatever, I

was like, you know what, I'm not doing this anymore

and then I started reading Transformers and then

sometimes I'll find something like a side story

that I wanna read like a... Guess it would be

Marvel was like Marvel's Iceman like one through

four and it was like from like 1987 so I picked

it up I picked it up on eBay and read it and

then you know just just random stuff like that

Yeah, yeah, I am Yeah, I'm pretty much Deist

the only thing From Marvel that I read outside

of the cinematic universe tie -ins that they

do they've done an Iron Man 3 Two -parter leading

up to the movie The only thing that I started

reading from Marvel is superior. Well, actually

I started at the end of amazing Spada. Thank

you. You're welcome and I'm in the superior spider

-man, but other than that I I am a DC guy I read

I read pretty much almost everything that they

put out and right now Nightwing is the my favorite

book because I believe that Dick Grayson is Batman's

the legend. Dick Grayson is kind of like the

Spider -Man of the DC Universe, the Peter Parker

of the DC Universe to me. He's the every man

that anyone can relate to at some point or another.

But yeah, I'm loving where Kyle Higgins is taking

Nightwing. And if you find listeners, go back

a couple episodes. I actually interviewed Kyle

Higgins a couple weeks ago. Very awesome. He's

taking over Batman Beyond Unlimited coming later

this summer. That's going to be interesting.

Yes. No, it's going to be so good because he

is oh no, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, he's

Kyle is one of those people that He is like our

generation to the point of because he was born

85 but he's he's in our generation where he grew

up with DC animated universe and he loves that

mythology and he's Basically going to play with

that and and flush out the stories that were

never told in the cartoons and stuff And it's

oh, it's so awesome. What about you Spada? What

are you currently reading? You read a lot of

stuff. Don't you? Well, yeah, I do but uh Let's

see Green Lantern. I've been reading Green Lantern

since Geoff Johns took over for the book way

back in 2004 -2005. I've been reading everything

from Green Lantern and all of their sub books.

Red Lanterns, New Guardians, The Core. I really

like Green Lantern and that's kind of funny because

my dad grew up on Green Lantern. I'm also reading

all the Transformers stuff from IDW. I've been

reading the Transformers stuff since they started

back in, oh, what, with Dreamwave. When was that?

That was in the mid -90s, wasn't it? Yeah, early

to mid -90s. And I made it through All -Hill

Megatron. Ugh. But after that, things have gotten

a lot better. I'm reading the new He -Man comics.

Those are actually really cool. I like the new

ongoing that DC has and I like the two origin

stories, origin of He -Man and origin of Skeletor

they did. That miniseries last year, I don't...

Was that the one where he lost his memory and

then got it back? That was the webcomic. Okay.

No, the miniseries was the six issue miniseries

where... The only thing I can remember is, at

some point, the part of the origin story for

Adam was he was a farmer's son, and I was like,

oh my god, what is this? And it turned out it

was all a trick on Skeletor from Skeletor. Yeah,

I have to go back and read those six issues.

They didn't want to kill him, so they made him

forget, or something like that. Yeah, it's like,

I could have killed you, but making you live

this life of squalor was so much more satisfying.

It's like, really, Skeletor? Because that's a

dumb idea. But this new ongoing that DC has going,

we have only, to this point of this recording,

only the first issue has come out. And oh my

god, where they started this story, I cannot

believe. With Hordak? And the horde invading?

Yeah. Well, yeah, that, but the fact that, and

spoilers, because this will be out this coming

Saturday, spoilers for anyone who hasn't read

it yet, the sorceress is dead? Like, that's,

to my knowledge, that is never... And it's not

Hordak either, it's She -Ra. Yeah, it's Allura.

Allura. Allura's Voltron, get your head out of

your lion, Spada. Head out of your lion, Spada.

Sorry Fluffy! So I was also reading Voltron mentioning

I was also reading the Voltron comics because

they had a couple of comics running as well and

they just went off the rails I mean they just

got real dumb real fast and not in the not in

the oh this is can't be dumb it was the okay

this is even unbelievable for Voltron dumb Yeah,

I guess I'm reading I'm reading some of the Transformers

comics too. I guess I mean currently I'm not

reading them because they're I've stopped but

the next generation The Rage of the Dinobots

miniseries I was reading and then sometimes if

dirt over a pop culture network if if he's on

like a real good store and he's like Look, you

know, even if it's something I don't even care

about if he's like, you know, you you ought to

read this You know, I'll borrow the books from

him and I'll read even if it's like number 51

of Catwoman to number 55. I'm just giving a pure

example here, but if he's like, this is a real

good story, then I'll give it a read. I'm just

now getting into Transformers comics and oh my

god. The main reason why I got in was like, ooh,

Transformers Prime, Rage of the Dinobots, interesting.

Me too. Although and i'm pretty sure scott is

going to call me a blasphemer for saying this

i am sly i know grimlock's the leader i know

he's the main character but i am so sick of him

being the star i want swoop or slag or and yes

i say slag because slug is the dumbest fucking

name i have ever fucking heard I know they couldn't

get the trademark. I yeah anyway But like, you

know, I like some of the other like my two favorites

beside Grimlock or swoop and and snarl they were

always my favorites from the g1 cartoon and I'm

interested to see where Mike Johnson and Merger

and Scott take the Beast Hunters ongoing that's

starting next month because I'm interested to

see if the show in the comic will will cross

over. Yeah They're supposed to be on there Yeah

to go back to your original question of what

I'm reading. I've kind of given up on Marvel

except for Thanos rising I'm reading that right

now. I think I don't know if the second issue

is out yet, but I've been reading that Oh, let's

see also reading invincible, I don't know if

you guys have ever heard of it Can't remember

who publishes it. I want to say image publishes

it. Yeah, it's an image It's by a guy named.

It's by Kirkman Walker and Crabtree mm -hmm,

and it's Kind of like what would happen if a

normal teenager got superpowers, but he was actually

the son of that world Superman and Lois Lane

But Lois's uterus isn't strong enough to hold

Superman's baby. Oh, I'm sorry. Bad Moritz joke.

Let's just say it's a lot more violent than DC

or Marvel would ever let their comics be. So

basically what you're saying is this is a cross

between Punisher Warzone and Kick -Ass. Because

it's, oh, what if a regular person was a superhero?

Oh god, I hate Kick -Ass. That movie sucked.

What?! You heard me. That's the dumbest friggin'

movie. Well, that's a bit extreme. I didn't care

so much for the comic. Because I saw the movie

before I spread the comic. And I liked the movie

best. Plus, of course, there's Nicolas Cage.

And Nicolas Cage makes a lot of things better

sometimes. And a lot of things worse. Oh, yes.

Oh, yes. Like his own personal finances. And

Ghost Rider. Let's not go there. I was reading

the Ninja Turtle comics for a while too. Those

were really good. I think I got to maybe like

14, 15 or another. It was actually a really good

story. I was liking how dark it was and everything.

I was enjoying it. With my local comic shop,

last week they sent out their... their list to

let them know what what you want to get and I

saw the listing for TMNT Secret origin of the

foot clan or whatever else and I looked it up

online. I'm like Yeah, no, I don't need to get

into Ninja Turtle comics. I've got too many things

already that I'm Currently into because I spend

anywhere from 75 80 bucks a month on comics.

That's too much in my opinion. That's better

than spending, you know $700 on all of Revenge

of the Fallen toys, but... Yeah? What are you

guys, Scotty, what are you looking forward to?

Scotty, what are you looking forward to in the

upcoming months from comics? It's actually funny

that we're talking about it now, because I'm

going to C2E2 this weekend. Nice. And since we

work for the website, we get all of these indie

artists that... Throw themselves at us and give

us their comics and a lot of Indie work is really

really good and they don't get the credit they

deserve You know quite yet. Anyway, you know,

hopefully they can you know, you don't make it

make it up But you know, they'll they'll are

even in it and sometimes we even even buying

if it's that if it's interesting enough You know,

but there's just a lot of good indie work, but

so I can't Particularly tell you like what comic

I'm looking forward to but I'm looking forward

to this weekend because I know I'm gonna find

some Yeah, I listen to another podcast earth2

.net the show Michael David Sims on there Told

us because he does every month he goes to the

previous catalog and highlights what he thinks

his listeners would be interested in in in telling

their shops that they want and one of the things

was apparently he knows the creator of this comic

but burning building comics where each panel

is a story from each level of this apartment

building. And I think that's a really unique

way of telling a comic book story. Exactly, that

sounds awesome. Yeah, so I might have to find

that when it comes out. I think it comes out

in June. I'm gonna have to get back with Mike

and ask him about that when it comes out. It's

also kind of neat to see, we've been going to

CTE2 now for... You know a number you know a

few years now and it's kind of it's kind of neat

to see like Hey, this is a brand new comic. I'm

very new to the show in the second year You know,

he's got a little bit more following the third

year There might be a little line for autographs

in the fourth year He's got a couple toys and

it's just like it's kind of it's kind of neat

to see some of those the indie guys that kind

of make a name for themselves, you know what

I mean? And they'll do drawings on the side and

people are kind of lining up at their booth when

you remember the year before, eh, there wasn't

anybody there, so. Yeah, it was a ghost town.

So awesome. Alright, well, we are going to hear

a message from Grimlock himself and we're going

to come back to talk about Transformers Follow

Cybertron One -Shot. That is the collected digital

six issues from IDW's Follow Cybertron Origin

of the Dinobots after this. Me Grimlock not Podcaster!

Me Grimlock King! On the art verma is very new

Like this was this seems to be like the first

thing he's ever done. I don't I don't really

care for this style of art I don't really care

for like the scratchy lines kind of sloppy I

mean, I don't mind it and it's good for a change,

but I would definitely not prefer it over like

you know Almost a Jason Todd, which would have

not been a list at all Just anything besides

this scratchy scribbly crap. I Will say that

this this book just one of the things that I

don't like about the way They did the one -shot

is they did like every other trade that I've

gotten to this point Has like I can pick up more

than meets the eye volume 2 and it starts out

with Titles and it starts out with the actual

original cover a more than meets the eye number

four and that's how the issue four starts this

in this one shot basically it has the you know

it it has an advertisement and it just goes straight

into a story I would have liked if they'd included

the actual covers in this thing to separate yeah

six issues just add a little bit more just like

a little bit More to the book, you know, that's

always I completely agree with that. I'm having

trouble placing where this book should go. I

know what you said, Mike, where I don't know

if that was your opinion or if you read that

somewhere, but it's just kind of hard to place

where this book is in the fall of the Cybertron

universe. Well, this happens before the events

of the game. OK, so the fall of Cybertron is

the second game, correct? Right. So this happens

between War of Cybertron... Whatever the fuck

the first name of the game is. War for Cybertron

and then Fall of Cybertron. This happens in between

that. Right, okay. And honestly, the story is

good. I like Grimlock's narration. I like the

fact that he's... I just have such a weird time

hearing coherent thoughts out of the Dinobots.

Yes, me too. I didn't really like that. I like

it, I think it's interesting because it's not

just playing up to, oh, me, G1 Grimlock, me dumb.

Like, I get it, they have to be military, I get

that they have to tell a story, and it's all

well and good, but when I first started reading

DinoBot stuff, I was like, this is so weird to

me hearing actual, you know, coherent words coming

out of these transformers. Spada, what are some

of your thoughts on this thing? It's a weird

series of books. I'm not saying it's bad or anything

it's just kind of odd i mean it like scotty said

it is very hard to determine where in the pantheon

it goes and it's confusing because i mean here

we've got all of a sudden we've got this book

that takes place between the games that has nothing

to do with the ongoing series And then eventually

it's supposed to fold back into these ongoing

series or a brand or another series Called the

primal called the primal rage of the dinobots

which takes place in the transformers prime universe.

Yeah, it's like Which one is it? Yeah, make up

your freaking mind. Yeah the one thing I do like

about this I like seeing the follow Cybertron

shockwave design in comic form I think that was

like one of the, even though he looks like a

skinny little bitch, I just love his design compared

to what we have in Transformers Prime with that

shockwave's design. I like how different the

two of them are as far as the overall aesthetics.

I also have to agree with Scotty. I do not like

this art. Everyone looks top -heavy. Everyone

looks just weird and... There's no real Cohesion

with any of their other art. It's it's just odd

and it's it's For the price it is super short

Yeah, it's yeah for eight bucks. It's actually

Now was now is eight bucks the cost of the entire

collection Yeah, one. Okay. I've got it in my

hand right now transformers follow Cybertron

IDW one shot It's funny that you say that because

I even refused to buy it. Off air, Spada tried

to send Scotty the file to... quote -unquote

download this we do not you know recommend doing

that ladies and gentlemen but scott i couldn't

get the file to open so i actually went out and

i bought a second copy of the book and i sent

it to scotty so he could have it so he could

do this episode yeah i think that's exactly what

i thought i'll just buy the mother of insanity

that's what yeah i was like okay Yeah, I just

what I do like is close to the end when we're

in shockwaves lab It's probably I guess it's

again one of the reasons why I think they should

have had the covers in here to tell us When one

part of the story ends and the next part begins

That's why I like having covers in trades to

break up the it still tells a coherent story

But it still gives you like a place marker At

the end, there's a panel where it's Shockwave

sends, my name shall be the only name you know.

And it's basically Grimlock reverting to his

slurred speech of, no, no, no, cannot. Because,

obviously, Shockwave's experimenting on it. And

what I love about this art is, I love how Shockwave

looks, and I love how they do the transition

from red to blue eyes. From blue to red eyes.

Yeah, with Grimlock. I thought that was absolutely

great. And like on the second to last page, when

Grimlock's munching metal, I love that dinosaur

shot of him. I thought that was really great.

Other than that, the story for me just, it was

okay, it was good, it was slightly interesting,

but like we've said, it's basically... You know,

how are we supposed to take this? Are we supposed

to read this, then read Rage of the Dinobots?

Are we supposed to play the first game, read

this, then play the second game? I know the ending

events of how this book, like, and Spada can

obviously expand on this because he's played

the game. The game picks, is supposed to pick

up where the events of this left off, right?

Ish, yeah. Yeah, Ish, yes. Yeah, the event, it's

really hard to tell where the events of the game

take place because, you know, if you played the

first one, Prime has got a certain form, you've

just defeated Trypticon, okay, you don't really

know how much time has passed, there's no context

given other than WAR! And Prime has a new body.

Why? Yeah, I hate the fall of cybertron optimus

prime whether it's in vehicle mode. It looks

awesome They have said it's supposed to be like

a giant fist on wheels. That was the design aesthetic

I think that looks good, but you talk about this.

It's yeah, it's not optimist though right well

cuz uh I Didn't I mean I sometimes I dislike

when they switch origin stories cuz this is definitely

not the dinobots origin story You know what I

mean? This is not how the Dinobots were created.

Grimlock was supposed to be stupid anyway, and

he was never a vehicle. So he comes out and he's

a vehicle, or like a tank. Go ahead, what were

you going to say, Spada? No, no, I was just gonna

say yeah, this is not the g1 origin This is something

completely new and different and sometimes I

have to stop remind myself of that because I

will automatically hate something because they're

trying to change it So I have to like going with

an open mind. So I'm like, you know, okay fine

I was like first of all, I didn't like that.

He wasn't he wasn't g1 Grimlock and he wasn't

stupid but towards the end you see that was trying

to destroy his mind, that way he can be fully

in charge of his mind and body like he stated

fifty -seven times in the last two pages, which

then makes him G1 Grimlock, where he still has

that mentality of G1 Grimlock because he didn't

care about what Optimus Prime said. He was going

to do what he wanted to do. You can make all

the planes you want. Well, I'm gonna go I'm gonna

go smash these guys Well the one thing that was

described I can't remember if it was in the comic

or the game. I think it was the game they Shockwave

actually mentioned why Grimlock's mind got dumber

or why he had to take out part of Grimlock's

mind. It wasn't because he wanted to make it

fully controllable. It was because the alt mode

was generating so much power in order to compensate

for that power. He had to remove parts of Grimlock's

higher functions in order for his body not to

shut down. I think that was the comic. And I'm

sitting there reading that going, that makes

no freaking sense! Yeah, that doesn't make any

sense at all. I will say if the listeners are

interested in picking up a different origin of

the Dinobots, I would say get this. I do like

how... the overall aspect between this, the game,

and how Matt Teager and High Moon basically got

dinosaurs on Cybertron. I like the whole thing

of, oh, Shockwave was scouring the planets and

saw Earth. Because let's face it, the Transformers

war has been going on for five, six million years,

so you'd think that at some point Shockwave would

have seen dinosaurs. So I like how they kind

of work around the whole thing of, hey, let's

have a dinosaur on Cybertron. I like how they

work around that, but... And I like how they

say, at one point, Slug goes, why did I end up

with something so ugly? And Grimlock says, you

haven't seen me yet. And then when they see Swoop

for the first time, they're like, Swoop, what

the heck are you? And he's like, I don't know.

He's like, let's not talk about it right now.

He's like, can we please not talk about it? And

then they find Sludge's alt mode and they're

like, was this going to be Sludge? Yeah, I think

so. Yeah, it's, it's... If you want a really

different read on the Dinobots, and I mean Shockwave's

character is essentially the same throughout

any continuity. Yes, ever. He's the experimenter,

he's the scientist, he's, you know, he's the

one that's going to... He's the evil genius.

Yeah, basically. So I mean, Shockwave's character

doesn't change, but there are certain characteristics

of each of the Dinobots that aren't what you

would normally do, but honestly, I don't know

if I can recommend people pick this thing up.

Well, this... Shockwave was a little, a little

different in this comic because normally... He's

just going to do whatever Megatron says, but

in this comic or the online series or whatever

the hell you want to call it, he was trying to

make the Dinobots his minions or whatever because

Megatron and SolarScreen didn't understand the

things that he was trying to do for Big Picture.

He never came out and said that he was going

to try to take over Megatron, but he was kind

of saying, with you guys under my command, I

can do some of the stuff I want to do. Yeah,

I mean, I like that part. Honestly, I had more,

because actually I had read Prime, Rage of the

Dinobots before I read this, because obviously

it hadn't come out yet, but I enjoyed the characterizations

done in Rage of the Dinobots more... No doubt

about it. ...than I did here. I honestly probably

can't recommend this, even to a new reader, I

just... Not for $8, anyway, because even 6 -bit

is set, and that's pretty much why I didn't get

it, because... I told our comic guy, the guy

that runs Killing Enterprise's comics, anything

that you think I'm going to want, pull for me

and I'll come and pick it up or whatever on every

other Wednesday or Wednesday. You just call me

or whatever. I get there and he's like, �Here's

this one shot.� I was like, �Oh, cool. It's got

Grimlock on the front. How much is it ?� I'm

flipping through it and he's like, �That's eight

bucks.� I'm like, �You're out of your damn mind.�

Like you said, Spada, it's way too small for

eight bucks. that's crazy now given what we have

here i think the i think what has been done with

grimlock in idw has been much more interesting

like what they did over the past couple of years

right where you've got the entirety of the dino

bot squad just royally effing pissed at grimlock

and they pretty much said uh no screw you we're

we don't want anything to do with you yeah Yeah,

I mean I do I do I do enjoy the probably my favorite

part of the comic is When a sweep gets taken

and they're like, well, what are we gonna do?

He's like we can't lean behind So what we're

gonna do is we're gonna go in there undetected,

you know Try to not to make any noise, you know,

you know, just keep to yourselves We'll get in

and out and I think it's like sludge or somebody's

like really and he's like Oh, have we ever done

that? We smash everything, kill everybody, get

our guy, get the hell out of there. I kind of

like that. Just when I was reading, I was kind

of like, really? Okay. And that's kind of like,

you know, what Sludge was thinking or whatever,

and he's like, that's what we're doing? Yeah.

It's like DinoBots, punch of kill everything.

Yeah. Oh my God. Yes, so we will be back in future

episodes of The Pull Bag. We're going to be,

at least Scotty and I, I don't know if Spade

is interested in doing this, we are going to

cover Rage of the Dinobots. And then once the

ongoing Beast Hunters starts, we'll definitely

be covering that. So I'm not sure how that's

going to go. So are they actually making a comic

of Beast Hunters? Yes. Okay, Beast Hunters, what

happens is... You take Rage of the Dinobots.

At the end of that, that team of Merigrid Scott

and Mike Johnson, the writers with the, I forget,

I don't have the Prime Dinobots issue in front

of me, but the writing and art team on that four

issue miniseries has now stepped up to an ongoing,

and at the same time as the cartoon's going on

with what's going on on Earth, they're going

to be telling stories of what Grimlock and the

Dinobots are doing on Cybertron. So wait, the

Dinobots are on Cybertron, even though Shockwave

and the Decepticons and Team Prime were on Cybertron?

Well, they're on Earth. Shockwave was on Cybertron?

Yeah, Shockwave was on Cybertron, but that's

I think where it's going to cross because Shockwave

keeps going back and forth between Earth and

Cybertron, or at least he has in the first four

episodes of Beast Hunter's Transformers Prime

Season 3. So, I don't know, it's basically, I

heard an interview with Margaret Scott on the

underbase with Lady Rek and she said that we

want to be able to tell our own stories but at

the same time if it does cross over, we'll approach

that when we get there. I'm really hoping that

they start fresh on the situation and maybe they

can recreate like in G1. Maybe even have shockwave

create them, you know But I don't want them to

automatically just be in the back corner of Cybertron

loss because the how they already Like ran beacons

and they couldn't find anybody and there was

like there was nobody on Cybertron and everybody's

dead for sure And that's now it's gonna be like

well, everybody was dead except for these guys

Well, no how it's well, yeah as far as the show

goes probably as far as the comic goes it's gonna

pick up it like Beast Hunter is number one, I

haven't read too much about it, but as far as

what I understand, listening to the writers talk

about it, it's taking place right from where

Rage ended. So it's not, Transformers Prime Beast

Hunters is not gonna be a, number one is not

gonna be another origin story. It's going to

pick up from the events of Rage of the Dinobots

number four. I'm gonna have to reread that again

before we speak again because that doesn't...

That doesn't make much sense to me. I'm sure

it does. I just I don't remember correctly because

I've read I read this one shot like, you know

three or four times just uh Pounded in my brain.

So I've kind of tried to erase Rage of the Dinobots

I would have switched it. I would have tried

to erase this I'm saying just for the podcast

because Rage of the Dinobots was amazing and

this yeah, yeah, okay, so if the Dinobots do

get on the show For season three. Yeah, right

Please I said if come on I said if don't yeah,

right me if they do, please Please has bro, please

transformers prime voice director Bring back

Greg burger and Michael Bell as swoop and Grimlock,

please That would be so awesome having them.

I got bad news for you Mike Shut up. Okay. I'm

just saying it's probably not gonna happen That

would be awesome though. You never know Because

with this being the last season of the cartoon,

or this iteration of the cartoon, you never know

what kind of stops they're going to pull out.

Is that a fact? Yeah. Is it really? That sucks.

Yeah, they are... I have read and I have heard

that the same team that is working on Transformers

Prime, the animated series, will be working on

the next incarnation. Wait, the team that made

Transformers animated? No. You said animated.

No, I didn't I said transformers prime. I Said

the same team that's currently working on transformers

prime the cartoons the the animated series Transformers

prime the animated series. That's how they advertised

it when it first came out The same team that's

currently working on the current cartoon will

be hopefully going over to work on whatever the

next new cartoon will be in 2014. So hopefully

there won't be too much of a changeover. You

know, I'm sorry, Hasbro is starting to turn into

Activision. Except with instead of a Call of

Duty every year, it's a new Transformers season

every year. Well, it's better than you know,

what is it almost ten years since the last he

-man cartoon or it's it's over It's 11 years

since the last he -man cartoon. So at least transformers

have stayed in the limelight if he -man toys

sold We would still have he -man. It's all sold

in stores. Yes They weren't $90 ,000 per figure.

Yes Let's say not to switch it up too too much

because we're talking about great cartoonage

here that will eventually get canceled Geo Joe

renegade was absolutely amazing That ended really

well that ended very ended really well, but they

need to bring that back I can't believe there

I mean it was kind of like a cult classic if

you will because when it when it aired it wasn't

washed as much as After the fact and netflix.

Well, it was too late then, you know Well, you

know what they did they took gi joe renegades

and turned it into a movie a live -action movie

Which was what? The one that's in theaters right

now retaliation. Yeah, that's what they did.

Well, you know what they should have done was

not do that Because gi joe retaliation is as

god -awful as a gi joe movie If it was like hey,

look at this is Bruce Wilson the rock in this

action movie You'd be like, oh, this is a good

ass movie But you wait for a roadblock to do

one rhyme you wait for a walk to are anybody

to give one yo Joe First of all roadblocks never

ever been a leader ever but roadblock is apparently

the leader of the GI Joe now Mmm. Yeah, Joe's

a real person. Well, that's that's because roadblock

isn't roadblock roadblock is the rock But as

we're GI Joe and GI Jane were real people in

the original Marvel can be comics. Oh were they?

They were real people during like the 60s and

70s They were the reason GI Joe was created in

the first place Well, I know GI Joe had that

was the doll, but I never knew he was in the

cartoons or the comics He wasn't in the cartoons.

He was in the comics, though. There was a G .I.

Joe and a G .I. Jane. Gotcha. And then they made

G .I. Jane the movie with Demi Moore and she

shaved her head. On that note, back to the dino

box. We'll catch you next time here in the pullback.

Oh, my God, this was another train wreck. Holy

crap, you guys. So me Grimlock Smash. We'll catch

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