The Superior Spider-Man Issues #1-4 Review

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a drink in quite a while. Well, it was either

drunk or crazy, and last time I said you were

crazy, you refuted that as well. I'll refute

anything you say about Canada, Mike. Nickelback

is awesome and they're from Canada. Yeah, anyway.

Haha, gotcha! No, it's good to be back. It's

been a while since I've been on anything that

GeekCast Radio has put out, so... Yes, this is

our Conflict Review Show, and this is episode

two, and JT and I are going to be tackling the

first four issues of the superior Spider -Man.

Before we get into those, obviously, Did you

have any chance to listen to spade and I talk

about amazing spider -man 698 to 700 I haven't

got that downloaded just yet, but I Will I will

say this of all the people I know in podcast

land You guys opinions. I'll probably agree with

more than others unlike that man with the hat

and the magic gun who? Frankly think I think

talks out of both sides of his head Well, so

for those of you who haven't listened, go back

over to GeekCastRadio's podcast feed and download,

it's a special episode, Amazing Spider -Man 700.

SpadeoftheBoltMatrix and I talked about the end

of The Amazing Spider -Man. We talked about issues

698 through 700. That was my first real, I guess

you could say reintroduction into. Marvel and

Spidey like I read Spidey in the 90s, but I didn't

like I wasn't reading it faithfully and There

were so many different damn books that I didn't

I just if I saw a cover I liked that I bought

the book and back then when comics were anywhere

from a dollar 25 to a dollar 75 It was easy to

just do that. Oh Yeah, no, I I mean I read growing

up. I read a lot of sporadically I'll say like

I more or less kept in touch With spider -man,

I mean all through the clone song and everything

But after the clone saw was over, you know I

kind of drifted for years like I collected like

one of the half dozens any of the half dozen

spidey titles that were out at Any given time

because I mean back in the day they had as many

spider -man comics out a month as you know Superman

or Batman Yeah, I mean I really kind of started

following it again when they the first time they

rebooted the numbering on Amazing Spider -Man

and Peter Parker's Spider -Man in the late 90s

with John Byrne and just I've just kind of kept

following since so yeah it's it's it it had an

amazing run and through episode or through issues

698 to 700 some pretty what I think is pretty

interesting stuff now I know there's some people

out there Ben the symbiote host who sucks the

life out of everybody Basically says oh, I don't

care about reading Doc Ock as Spidey Okay, let

me ask you you JT as well as the listeners. Yeah,

would you rather have? Hey, let's make a deal

with the devil so we can erase everything or

Would you rather have something interesting to

where it's a body switch and a personality switch?

With what happens in 698 to 700 with Doc Ock

and Peter Parker because I think that's more

interesting than oh, hey Peter Parker has to

make a deal with the devil It's ghost rider with

spider legs. I don't know. Yeah to get start

talking about that would Well, I don't think

we have eight hours to listen me scream the word

I know I mean me screaming the F word for three

hours. That's basically what the whole deal thing

Right, exactly. Well, I'm using something that

happened in these Spidey books that everyone

pretty much loathed, for the most part, versus

what they're currently doing now and what they've

done, how they ended Amazing Spider -Man. Yeah,

I mean, just quick aside, the fact that they

had to resort to basically a DC, almost a DC

-style reboot in a way of the character's title...

I don't agree with that but what they've done

since they've come out with some really good

spiders spider -man stories and the whole idea

like Honestly, when I started reading the whole

you know, it's spider -man and ox body I honestly

thought by the end of it it's gonna be resolved

and you know, it's gonna you know stock off was

gonna die and Peter was gonna go away with like

a deeper understanding of what it is to be a

hero and I was at the end of it it's Kind of

like the Wilhelm scream that you see here in

movies when you read the end of it, and it's

really doc ox still And I'm just like what the

f? Yeah, but see They're only okay. This is just

me coming from a point of I watched the old Spider

-Man cartoons. I watched a couple of the new

ones, but I haven't like really kept up with

them. But obviously the 94 and unlimited are

the ones that I grew up on, you know, as a 14

and 19 year old. But it's one of those things

where there's only so many times you can put

Spidey up against a Doc Ock or every time, I

swear to God, I... The the one villain or I guess

you could call him a villain the one villain

in Marvel's Catalog that I absolutely hate that

it turns out to be is Mysterio. That is the most

lamest Sure, he has a decent story with you know

with what happened to him and whatever else But

I just I can't stand that villain whatsoever

but there's only so many stories that you can

tell with Peter Parker Spidey because he has

to live by this strict code kind of like Kinda

like Batman. You know, Batman doesn't kill. You

know, there's the whole thing over in the DC,

and we're not talking about DC right now, but

the whole thing with DC and New 52 with Death

of the Family and all that. But with Spider -Man,

there's a strict code of Peter Parker, whether

he's college age, whether he's high school age,

whatever, Uncle Ben is always dead. Unless it's

a flashback or a memory or, you know, alternate

universe. right alternate universe um you know

Uncle Ben for the most part is always dead they've

never brought back Ben Parker as far as like

in this I think it's the 616 right? yeah it's

the they've done that a couple of times but it

usually it's like an alternate universe Ben right

right but it's not yeah it's not regular Spidey

it's not amazing so yeah you know Spidey has

to live by this code of being the guy that is

is the quipper and is you know he was responsible

one right exactly because obviously with great

power comes great responsibility in my mind there

only so many times you can have them go up against

doc ock or misterio or uh... hydro man or venom

or carnage or doormamu or whomever you know what

i mean there's only so many things you can do

with that and by the time you get to issue seven

hundred I thought the story was damn good. I

thought it was super interesting because you

have a kind of 690 to 700 even though it's a

little twisted. You almost have a Spider -Man

2 sequel that people would have loved. Well yeah.

If this was in film because it's one of those

things where in Spider -Man 2 the way they portrayed

Doc Ock and I guess you could say his alter ego

is Otto Octavius, but the way they portrayed

him was a sympathetic character because he didn't

want this, it's not what he wanted to do, it's

not what he planned to do, blah, blah, blah,

blah. Same thing here, even though we know in

Amazing Spider -Man, Doc Ock is someone who is

the villain, it takes Peter showing him this

whole memory -connected thing is like... all

okay i get it now i have to be a decent you know

goods like spiderman doesn't i can't believe

spiderman and batman don't had basically have

the same rule they don't need one kill well yeah

i mean it it's it's not that i think that marvel

or dc copied each other on that i just think

that's that's what it is and when you think of

and i know people on that i know when it's like

this when you think of coming but The comic book

heroes most people at least most people that

I know either gravitate towards spider -man or

or or Batman whether you're DC or Marvel I know

there's a lot of people out there that reads

Superman and everything else and he's technically

DC's Flagship, but really DC is different than

Marvel because they have the big three Batman

spider -man and wonder what spot Batman Superman

and Wonder Woman Whereas Marvel spider -man is

their flagship character spider -man is the face

pretty much as the face of Marvel Well, you could

make the argument that the the trinity of Marvel

would be spider -man Captain America and Iron

Man You know if you were looking to stretch it

like that You know for in terms of Trinity. I

mean there's all sorts of characters, but I mean

do you look at Doc Ock at least for me? If I

were to name top five all -time Spidey villains

quickly, I'm going to agree to disagree with

you. I love Mysterio. I love the whole shtick

that he's basically Steven Spielberg gone wrong,

being the special effects master. He's Stan Winston

with an edge. I just didn't... It's the fishbowl

helmet, let's say. Well, okay. In the cartoon,

I didn't mind him because I thought it was cool,

but finding him as the villain in Contlight,

okay. um you know not to disparage or say anything

bad against kevin smith but when i read his daredevil

issue that he wrote yeah and and at the end of

that it it's mysterious really it's mysterious

is not daredevil's villain what the hell he wrote

that story the the idea that you know mysterious

become like this d list villain right for years

before really kevin smith and then you know the

epic run that brian michael vendis wrote on the

title Right no and and like I said before I'm

just getting into the comic stuff and I've mainly

been into DC and I don't get into a lot of the

Marvel the only one I really read is is spider

-man and I've been reading the as you all heard

in in the episode one of the pullback here I've

been reading the Cinematic Universe tie -ins

with the Iron Man 3 prelude to issue series they

did but I Don't know Well, I mean, just like

you're saying with Mysterio, he goes like Mysterio,

Scorpion, just for visually wise. Then two and

three, like my number one favorite Spidey villain

is the Green Goblin. You know, it's Spider -Man's

Joker to his Batman. And two and three flip -flop,

it's Venom, and depending on who's writing him

and who is Venom, and Doc Ock. And I mean, Doc

Ock's always been that, you know, just kind of

that ridiculous sort of mad scientist writ large.

sort of thing and yeah i mean who didn't the

whole reason everyone kind of fell in love with

doc ock all over again was alfred molina in spider

-man 2 right and you look at the history of doc

ock just quickly i mean he's mad scientist and

then it grew into the 70s when he started wearing

the purple and green or orange and green suit

where he married aunt may for a while because

she somehow inherited a nuclear power plant and

He's just one of the most recurring spider -man

villains of all time I mean the guys died like

twice and been brought back in the Marvel comics

and he's been writ as like the ranting mad scientist

to like the sinister smooth mad scientist and

like he's always been that guy that's loomed

large in the field of villains and you look at

leading up to you know 698 to 700 of amazing

spider -man it made sense that what happened,

you know with the whole brain swap because they

had an amazing Spider -Man 600 where Doc Ock

tried to automate New York City with all these

little Octobots and Spider -Man used some Doc's

technology to, you know, save the day. And then

during the big Spider -Island crossover where

the Jackal mutated everyone in the island of

Manhattan and gave them Spider -Man powers and

then they started turning into giant spiders

and really just read the trades people it takes

less time and you'll understand it a lot better.

He used the technology again with these now he's

calling them spider bots to cure everybody and

then so he kind of opened the door for Doc Ock

to pull the brain swap or you know it's and then

when I first read that where you know it's Doc

Ock and Spidey's body the first thing I thought

of was that JLU episode you know the great brain

robbery Oh, no, it's the first thing. It's the

only other example I can think of where something

yes has happened Right. Yeah time. I'm reading

it just because I loved it so much I was waiting

for Spidey or spider awk to say something so

asking Are you gonna wash your hands and waiting

for doc optical? No Yeah I just set up you you

would once you see it pay off in Those three

issues, you know, it clicks that this was good.

Maybe gonna happen Like I said earlier, I expected

the whole thing deal It's Marvel and I didn't

think I thought it was just it was gonna be like

that Hail Mary last minute and Spidey's back

in his body Which obviously didn't happen. Well,

it hasn't happened yet and we're gonna take a

break here in a second, but From issue 700 of

amazing into issue number one of superior I'm

I know there's a lot of people other than me

that have read spider -man over the years or

have read it over the last, I don't know, how

long has Dan Slott been the writer? Well, see,

they basically, well, since one more day. Which

was, how long ago? Three or four years ago, it's...

Okay, okay, for three or four years, Dan Slott

has been the writer. Yeah. For someone like me

who has not picked up a Spidey book at all in

the last maybe... Since 94 so probably almost

20 years I Like I like reading his writing in

698 99 and 700 yeah, I'm loving reading his writing

here in superior I Know there's a lot of people

out there now saying oh well Do you think that

it should be someone else doing the writing and

give someone else a chance to write the character?

I honestly don't think so because this is kind

of slots, baby with with this story line of only

like say for example they want to take superior

spider -man to only a hundred issues and after

that they say oh hey issue one hundred peter's

alive global law you know and they decide to

reboot or something again and i don't mind them

doing that but i'm really loving and i'm really

loving this direction that they're going and

it's a new dynamic or talk about that in a minute

after this break new york city If only everything

down there was really as peaceful as it looks

from up here. All right, so here it is, the superior

Spider -Man number one. What do we think of this

cover? I dug it. I mean, it's, uh... I mean,

because Marvel, a lot of the Marvel titles are

getting this Marvel Now trade dress for, you

know, it's got the red bar at the bottom with

all the, like, the free digital copy enjoying

the revolution. Evolution that sort of thing

but no I dig the the design of the logo how it's

kind of broken up like that a Spidey looming

large and you know creepily in the shadows crawling

down it kind of reminds me a little bit of some

Todd McFarlane era spider -man art From back

in the day. So I really dug the cover. First

of all, you know The art in this is just amazing.

I mean, I love the fact that they've pretty much

Even just by the cover they've pretty much changed

the Spidey suit Well, they've enhanced it. I

mean, you know, no, he's actually got like what

like and Lenses, I mean 10 lenses before but

I mean because the whole idea that you know,

awk is gonna be the superior spider -man like

he's gonna be better than Peter was Right, but

I mean as far as like the coloring how it's not

the average like you look at you look at amazing

700 And it's the regular Spidey costume, whereas

this, it's more of a deep red and black instead

of blue, as far as the pants go. Yeah, it's got

the red, the black. I mean, the spider on his

back kind of looks more like a tick in a way.

And I mean, if you've seen some of the advance

art, now he's got these talons in his gloves,

which come into play in the first issue story

here we'll talk about. you know he's got like

that weird martial arts like big toe like ninja

wedge toe thing and he's got like the big climbing

claws on his big toes and yeah i mean it's it's

pretty strange yeah um so okay so doc ock is

spidey he knows you know with great power comes

great responsibility but he's doing stuff in

the in slots right in this is why i'm so interested

in this in this is because slots writing is so

it's so good for me because it's something i

have not seen in spider -man it's something that

i have not you know experienced reading a spidey

book in a long time and uh... auto is as spidey

he's pretty much he even goes through this story

and says My god, this is what Parker had to go

through when fighting me or fighting any of the

other villains or whatever Oh my god, he basically

lives this every day of his life and just kind

of doesn't give time for his personal life and

whatever else and I Love that because it's showing

you ox character More so then. Oh, hey, here's

Doc Ock in a spidey suit. That's it that's really

all you need to know he's going to say it because

he doesn't he doesn't do the same things as peter

would do doesn't make the same decisions if you

would do it because he is a super genius and

he starts with these spider bots and because

he does it because he doesn't feel that he needs

to patrol the city all the time yet uh... well

that's well this what do you think we've been

writing i i love the writing on the issue so

far i mean it's Obviously like when you look

get to the end of the first issue and there's

that little bit like it's kind of a What the

f moment like the reveal at the end of the first

issue? It's definitely gonna go to some strange

places I mean the fact that in the first few

pages of the first issue I Just love the fact

that it's doc expressing his outrage at something

that he created in this kind of ad hoc sinister

six and you got the speed demon, you've got boomerang

shocker, this female beetle, uh one of the best

original villains that Dan Slock created, this

guy named overdrive, which basically he can get

into a car and his powers will like morph it

into like the ultimate like potential of the

car, like it just turns into a huge pin mobile,

and he grabs the big wheel, which is one of the

most ridiculous super villain vehicles ever created.

But the idea is that Overdrive is a huge Spidey

fanboy in the Marvel universe. And then he's

got like, you know, the electronic brain or living

brain, like this robot dealie. And then, you

know, Spider -Ock swings in. It's like, well,

I guess they're letting anybody call themselves

the Sinister Six these days. And it's as much

a zing at these guys as Doc Ock going, F you.

Yeah. So, I mean, the writing's great. And it's

the idea is how it's What if spider -man was

a mad scientist basically because that's what

dococ was is And now you hear it. It just it's

kind of weird and oddly laughable in a good way

of hearing all this kind of stilted or Not necessarily

stilted, but the way hearing Doc's words come

out of spider -man You know just the way it comes

out and like even again in the first issue he

busts in on the sinister six Busting up or stealing

something from a lab at Empire State University

and he gets punched like a thousand times in

a couple of seconds by speed demon and then he's

like you know what screw this i'm going home

because like you said like you know this is what

spider -man did every day this is what he put

up with screw that noise and then he tries to

leave and he's pulled back into the fight and

you know they get away pardon me they get away

but not before he like pops his claws and he

you know Wolverine's boomerang You know at least

in terms of the first issue story here But I

mean it's just something about hearing mad scientists

dialogue come out of spider -man that just makes

me smile Yeah, the whole thing with archiving

Peter's memories and and him what kind of takes

me out of the books is and I'll say this as we

go along as we review these first four issues,

but When he instead of a thought bubble, it's

actually a speech bubble and he says accessing

memories and i think someone even in later issues

like accessing memories what is he talking about

you know it that is what kind of takes me out

of it a little bit uh... also in the beginning

thank god they change the surround but in the

first issue when they're a lot when the the story

gets to when he calls mary jane at the end of

the panel is like it's a date tiger because i

assume that's his face that it i don't i don't

think that's his face that says Absolutely tiger.

It's a date. I don't think that's her face. No

that that was him Yeah, that was that just that

that to me is just is just weird him throwing

hers her her nickname for Peter back on her I

just that was a little strange I didn't really

care for that and I think it's kind of creepy

that he's first of all he's a 50 60 year old

man, you know, you know 30 year old's body that's

a little well, yeah, it's like Would they go

on the dates and you know? Yeah, dog. I know

what called Doc spider spider ock or whatever

like we're octopus They're on the date, and he's

like yes Peter Parker's life will suit me just

fine and the best part about it the view and

what's the Looking at Mary Jane Mary Jane's tits.

Yeah, and I'll just like Well, first of all,

I can't blame him for looking there cuz we're

all guys and we have needs and the second part

It's like well, he's in this young virile body

and Lord knows the last time doc got got any

so I Can't necessarily blame but it's yeah. It's

again. It's not really a pervy moment at the

same time. It's a little ill Yeah, it feels a

little you And that's not has nothing to do with

the whole brain swap and this is like some weird

no, it's well because I'm just saying because

like It has nothing to do with the brain swap

and the fact that he's like this weird bastard

hybrid of spider -man and doctor octopus. It's

just Dude, you know Well, it has to do with the

fact that as I said, he's what maybe a 50 60

70 year old guy. Yeah young man's body and It

kind of does have to do with the brain swap just

a little bit only in the sense that Oh, hey,

this was Parker's life. This kind of suits me

I like, you know that kind of thing, but really

other than that It doesn't have to do anything

with it or the fact that she calls they're like,

are you even paying attention to me? Sorry. I

was distracted Yeah, I mean that kind of brought

it back for me because I was just like ha ha

ha You know caught but yeah the whole thing where

she's like what do you have to wear that earpiece?

While we're eating is like well, unless they

get on the cinders to six planning their next

caper And you find out that, you know, this is

where the kind of superior aspect starts coming

into play that, you know, he's upgraded his equipment.

His spider tracers are now nanotech. And, you

know, when he scratched Boomerang, he basically

injected them into his bloodstream. And, you

know, he's basically got them on like GPS and

whatnot. And so he can take his time because

he knows what's happening. He knows when it's

going to go down. So he was like, here, let me

pour a little bit more of the bubbly. And she's

like, you don't drink? Eh, the night is young.

Yeah. I'm hoping that they start bringing in...

I know after issue four, they start doing it,

and we'll get to that, but after I read this

first issue, I'm like, I'm hoping they bring

in a better class of villain, because this Sinister

Six was just lame. Well, anything outside of

like the core six with a few... other characters

in and out of like, you know doc ox by Sandman

scorpion mysterious electro and Oh God a Rhino,

you know, like that's like that's kind of like

having the Justice League without Superman Batman

and Wonder Woman. It just doesn't play So yeah,

but I think yeah, it's just by the end of this

first issue like when they bust into horizon

labs where you know Peter Parker was working

and Which was one of the best things that they

came out came up with in dance Let's run is you

know he got blackballed out of taking news photos

You know your black ball their blacklist or whatever

it is and then right Jonah J Jonah's wife You

know after he becomes mayor of New York City,

which you know everyone was like what the F You

know he gets starts working at this think tank

which is basically his you know his Shangri -La

his paradise where He gets a fully funded lab.

He can create all the technology creates to fight

supervillains. He can then turn around to make

like, uh, consumer products for the company,

which, you know, another feather in his cap.

And then he's got a vault in his lab that only

he can access that he can store all this Spidey

gear in, you know, so I mean, I love that aspect.

And then these guys bust in there to steal the

next part of their, you know, whatever this device

is that they're building and Because the spider

tracers because of him listening in a few hours

before Auk goes in and he sets up everything

he needs to to neutralize their their respective

powers and whatnot Yeah, he's His I'm glad they're

doing this because they're his version of spider

-man As the title suggests superior I mean, you

know, Peter in his day had, you know, a few good

moments with science stuff, but this is like

a whole new generation of crime fighting that

Ock is coming up with. Well, yeah, it's, excuse

me again, a little sore throat there. The whole

idea that he set it up like this, like Spidey

always came up more or less with stuff like this

on the fly throughout his history, like from

the very, like the very first fight. he had with

Doc Ock back in Amazing Spider -Man, there's

like four or five or something, where he busted

into a lab and he came up with this acid that

melted Ock's arms together and he wasn't, you

know, as dangerous as having four fully mobile

arms. And this is kind of an extrapolation, like

if Spider -Man, if Peter had applied himself

just that little bit more, a little bit more

approach, like I'm not saying Spider -Man's like

an idiot, like he's no slouch in the science

department, it's just the idea that, you know,

Not a whole lot of forethoughts sometimes, you

know He's basically like I said on the fly kind

of fighting superheroes almost or supervillains

on instinct But like I said with doc, you know

planning ahead thinking more creatively almost

you know He comes up with like this anti -friction

stuff that he paints all over the parking lot

of horizon labs then he creates a power dampening

field in the form of light bulbs he puts in the

street lights and It's almost this wily coyote

esque sort of planning but it pays off yeah it

does it really does it it and it's so awesome

and then the end of the book well the the one

thing it should mention is like how we like how'd

you know what we were doing is like really though

i think the words are barometric oscillator and

atmospheric condenser the first two pieces of

a weather machine what are you gonna do blackmail

the city with a tornado Shut up it was a good

idea Which again, I mean some of Doc's Doc's

quit doc ox quips or They're they're really funny,

but they're like more of that like, you know

sticking it with a knife and turn it funny You

know not ha ha funny. Yeah, like oh, that's painful

And I like how they've done away with the whole

thing of the entire and this is obviously due

to Jamison being the mayor now and he's his dad's

married to Aunt May and whatever I Don't want

to go there, but Basically the scene where at

the end where he's like We'll take it from here

Spidey. They're all yours off. It's basically

a whole switcheroo of the fact of you know Peter

when he was Spidey you know couldn't get a break

from the cops or anybody yeah and now it's like

hey spider -man's our friend yeah uh the end

of the issue well yeah that that reveal at the

end it's like he's literally thrashing boomerang

within an inch of his life yeah and then you

know it's like this is when you cross the spider

-man you see the blue and i was like the first

time i saw that panel in that instant before

i moved to the other panels i was like oh dear

god they're not doing this and it's like uh did

you does somebody else hear the music from ghost

is patrick swayze's spirit reaching out from

beyond you know and it's like it's more or less

peter parker's ghost to a degree it is peter

parker's ghost for for all intents and purposes

let's just say it is because you know you can

argue you can state whatever you want to state

about it what i like about it was that they distinguished

it by essentially graying out the lettering yeah

you know you look in the book and you look at

a speech bubble it's a white bubble with black

lettering in all caps well this is the same way

but except instead of uh... instead of black

lettering it's like grayish blue and it's kind

of like that got this beautiful blue hue around

it so i like that I think it's interesting to

see how that plays out, and I don't know, what

final thought on this first issue? Did the end

of the book, like, were you ready for issue two

immediately? I wouldn't say I was ready for issue

two immediately. Like, when I first, I kind of

speed read a comic, and then I go back and I

read it more carefully. So after I'd read it

a couple of times, then I was ready for issue

two, but on first blush, I was... Well, let's

put it this way. There would have been a whole

lot of swearing Just just because I I've read

so many comics in my life where the villain switches

his mind with the hero And there's only so long

you can go with this story now granted it's because

the whole idea initially I was kind of pissed

at this ending because you know they're leading

up to this that you know, okay Spidey spider

-man, you know Peter Parker's gonna die Doc Ock's

gonna go on and be spider -man and I was like,

okay That's kind of cool like it's the villain

forced to become a hero and how is he gonna go

about this? And cuz you know, it's it's I figured

at least for a year or so Peter Parker was gonna

be quote -unquote dead and Then they were gonna

be able bring him back and you know, dr. Strange

will do it like a soul appendectomy or something

but the first Blush I was kind of, because I

was ready for that, you know, in my mind, and

then it's like, well, he's not really dead, he's

just... Fuck you, Marvel! That was my initial

reaction upon reading it for the first time,

but I, after I read it again, I was ready for

a shoot to you, because I, you know, I've been

reading Spider -Man for so long, and I do love

the character through and through. Like, he is

my all -time, without a doubt, favorite superhero.

I wanna see how this story goes. I wanna see

what Doc Ock's gonna do if and when Peter comes

back. What's gonna happen to Dr. Octopus? Is

he gonna get his own body? Is he gonna be a bad

guy again? I wanna see how this goes. I wanna

see how the story plays out now. Once my initial

nerd rage calmed down. Yeah, exactly. And with

that, we're gonna head on over to issue number

two. Who is that little creep? Some mugger after

my money? Heck, if I could find any on me, I'd

split it with them. Alright, so, Superior Spider

-Man issue number two. Obviously written by Dan

Slott, art by Ryan Stegman and Edgar Delgado.

Uh, I love this cover. Oh yeah. I love this cover.

If we could erase Spider -Man out of that cover,

that would be great. But I love this cover. The

only thing I would've added to, I thought would've

made it funny, is have like, Blue Peter... in

the background like no it would ruin it because

it would ruin what happens in the issue it would

yeah it's just i mean after i read it i mean

it's still a great cover but it's just if blue

peter if the peters ghost had been there just

like no it just like you because the way dot

spider like we got to think of a better name

like spider awkward Dr. Berker something the

way he's gonna get kissing Mary Jane that body

language. He's like, yeah, you know it, baby

Yeah, exactly. He's just got and Mary Jane's

like what? Okay Because it's not like she hasn't

kissed Peter before Yeah, really. Yeah. No, I

love the beginning of this issue or you know,

he returns part of the the one of the weather

devices back to yes you and Dean's there thanking

him and there's all the paparazzi and Right,

and then Jay Joe. I love the fact that now that

basically Spidey's gone hardcore and because

no one knows about this Right. No one knows about

the bodies. Yeah, but know that you know Spidey's

got a hardcore and Jeff finally kicking some

ass and Jonah's like hell Yeah, you know all

of a sudden Jay Jonah James Jameson is a spider

booster And then Peter is standing there, he's

like, I can't believe it, after all these years,

Jonah finally makes nice that he does it over

my dead body, or my alive body, or, ah, it's

crazy to have banana pads. Like, it's always

freaky, like, it's still Peter, like, bringing

the snark. Yeah, and that's why I love this issue,

because of all of those lines. And I love the

fact, like, Peter realizes What awk did like,

you know, he even says it in one of the ghost

panels Wow, I could have never done that when

basically the lead -up to this issue was Peter

Parker and Mary Jane were reunited or back together

again and That's not what happens at all. Yeah,

you know Doc Ock pretty much breaks up with her

permanently and Peter ghost Peter says wow, I

could have never done that because Spider Ock

is all about getting the job done, getting it

done efficiently, getting it done the super genius

way. The super genius. Exactly. Which brings

me probably my favorite panel in this second

issue where he, like the tagline, lunch with

the Watson woman. I was like, well, you see it's

getting meta now because Doc Ock is affecting

the writers. Then he goes there and it's that

middle panel where it's like our third date weird,

right? He's like no everything's going according

to plan and Peter's like he's saying super villain

stuff. How can no one see this? Yeah, which yeah,

I love those panels after the Dexter number one

ad those panels of Watson dating trials number

one results and conclude like I love all that

stuff. That's so awesome. Oh, yeah, it's like

Love like the last one results infuriating. I

want to thank you for letting me take things.

So I completely understand Yeah, and it's just

like wow, even dr. Octopus gets blue balls. So

Let's face it. He's not trying to be better than

Peter. He just wants to tap that and Well more

power to him because it's very Jane Watson's

Mary Jane Watson, and I love the fact that Like

the whole idea. It's like almost a Superman and

Lois Lane moment from the first Christopher Reeves

movie It's like, you know, how long it's been

since we've Peter not that spider or web swing,

you know, it's got that whole who's got You know

Where they were lowest and Superman go flying

in the movie It's yeah, how they got that feel

a little bit where and then Peters like no, no,

no, no, no Yeah I love the fact that his two

exes are more or less rooming together like That

that's one of the Carly Cooper who's Peter's

girlfriend for a while? You know pre this was

great because you know it's basically a nerd

It's you know a female Peter almost like she's

a big nerd and all that and she's basically Michelle

she's part Katherine and part Sarah from CSI

All that so I love the fact they're living together,

which you know you'd think there'd be a shiver

running up spider -ox spine Yeah, cuz you know

your two exes are living together. This isn't

a good thing Yeah, but see he spider -ox doesn't

know like he knows Mary Jane I don't know it

does he know that Carly was Peter's ex Right.

He could have accessed the memories, but I'm

saying like the initial thing of does he really

know? Yeah. Like at, at the very first on point.

Yes, I agree that he probably would have accessed

memories after meeting Carly, but what I love

about this issue and what I love about ghost

Peter is they put him in a ghost amazing outfits.

Like when there's web swinging. Yeah, I think

that's so awesome. And again, this goes to Dan

Slott's writing. I love the one panel where after

he drops off Mary Jane, and he sees Carly, and

he goes under that rooftop, and he's like, I

can relive his memories over again. And he's

saying this out loud as he relives them, and

then there's Peter's responses. And he's not

talking to Peter, but it plays like that. It's

like, yeah. Oh my, yeah. Doc Ock is a creepy

old dude. Well and I love like the next day where

you know he wakes up and he's all chipper and

he's singing in the shower and you know he's

saying skipping to work basically and then there's

uh was it Milani or whatever is like the one

uh this one of one of the other scientists that

works at Horizon who's basically an uber bitch

to Peter every time he talked to her He's like,

Well, hello, Miss Jeffrey, you look especially

fetching today. And she's like, What the hell's

wrong with you? Yeah, it's just it's stuff that

Peter wouldn't say. And then you go into the

lab and you see he's co opted the living brain

as his lab assistant, which is it's a slightly

more competent version of helper from venture

brothers almost. And then you see he's got like

the spider bots patrolling the city for so he

doesn't have to waste his time patrolling He's

got like a spider app on his iPad or whatever

Yeah, whatever. He's good. You meet the vultures

new minions who a I love how this dance lot redid

the vulture and He doesn't wear like the green

suit with the wings, but because the technology

now has like the natural Make ability to fly

using magnetic waves or however They explained

it and they made it much more of like he made

him more like fagan from Oliver twist yeah, you

know, and he's like this guy like corrupts kids

and Disenfranchised teenagers and gives them

the ability to fly Now he's recruited basically

ten -year -olds because you get like these midget

vulture people, you know and fly into Mary Jane's

got she's got a nightclub now, which used to

be owned or which the vulture used to own and

they bust in and they steal stuff from this vault

and I still love uh spider ox is like what in

the world some kind of strange birdish creatures

and they're going after watson there's not a

moment to lose yeah you know and it's like up

up and away I would I would think it's more like

No, dick. We must get to the Batcave now. Let's

go to that It has that 60s. Yeah, it's just a

whole situation seems like the Adam West that

man like to the bat poles Yeah, yeah Anything

else you want to talk about as far as plot wise

in this one the whole where spider -man you know

spider -ox swoops in rescues Mary Jane and basically

the spider -ok has the guts to Just break it

off with Mary Jane like look You love me and

I love you, but this won't work because you'll

always it's the whole idea that you know as much

as You know, he loves Mary Jane Right. I think

we can't do this. So he just breaks it off and

that's response ghost theaters Well, I was wrong

about you. I wouldn't have been able to do that

Yeah, I could never do that and then they flashed

back in the last couple of panels to where Carly

confronted where when Peter would Carly confronted

Doc Ock when it was Peter in his body and he's

like I'm not Doc Ock I'm spider -man and you

you get the hint that you know she's gonna start

looking into this now because she suspects that

something's wrong right exactly and I think that's

great because the next issue which we'll get

to in a moment is Kind of created some controversy,

so we'll get to that after this audio break.

It's not nice to rob jewelry stores in Mr. Spider

-Man's neighborhood. Can you say I'm going to

jail? So we are back in the superior spider -man

issue number three I had no idea according to

a couple of websites that I read reviews from

or I because it was like a day like I read like

spoiler -free reviews because obviously I wanted

to be able to read the issue and even though

I knew at the end of last issue that it said

next the vulture when I saw this cover I was

like oh yeah that is awesome and people are like

again I don't get why people constantly send

slot hate mail or send the artists hate ma -

it's like it's a spider signal Every book a look

Batman has the bad signal hell in a Filmation

he man the friggin widgets have a he man said

this isn't a poke at DC This is something that

it it kind of makes it Yeah, but it's more of

like hey look we can do a signal, too You know

and it's it's a cool cover. I love it. Oh, yeah.

No, that's it definitely It's got kind of an

iconic feel to it again Spider -man in the shadows,

you know, we got the spider signal and it's not

like there hasn't been a spider signal in spider

-man before Granted it was you know, he's got

that belt with his like the face mask thing that

he used for years Right, you know to signal police.

Hey, there's some crooks webbed up over here

and you know at Gotham City pulley I mean at

police headquarters in New York City Commissioner

Gordon, I mean Mayor Jameson Like it's yeah,

it's the setup. I think he was just kind of because

of the whole word You know Jonah's rooting for

spider -man now and you know the whole idea where

spidey comes in and he turns off the light and

He's like, well, isn't it obvious your honor?

I passed your little test what test a giant beak

in the sky and dancing to all my enemies where

they can find me Only an idiot would put that

into effect and Mary Jameson is no idiot, right?

And the Joe is like, of course, Spider -Man,

of course, you know, and I love the fact they

brought in what's his name. The police captain's

got the hate on for Spider -Man now all of a

sudden because like Jonah Spidey is a bad ass.

Well, Spidey is okay in my book, you know, so

he teams Spider -Man up with Carly Cooper and

they go into the CSI lab and Coop, you know,

Spidey's, you know, Spider -Rox upgrading his

lenses and they're having this weird X. conversation

and Yeah, and she you see she's like talking

to you. You could have done this in your own

lab You didn't have to push the mirror around

to manipulate them and then she flashes back

to the whole I'm not Doc Ock. I'm spider -man.

It's not you. So, you know already she's kind

of pushing for that but you know, it's I I'm

kind of in fear for Carly Cooper. Like I really

do love her as a character And I thought she

was great like spider -man's got a girlfriend

that understands Like and previous to this when

she found out that you know Peter was spider

-man. She didn't worry that much because she

understood and I just hope something Unforeseen

doesn't happen to her because I would hate to

lose her as a character in the comics So I think

at some point what's gonna happen is she's gonna

figure out the body switch and made like They

could drag this out for however many issues they

want like it like if this is the way Marvel is

gonna go and Peter's gonna stay like real Peter

is gonna stay dead for a while Yeah, they could

drag that out as long as as long as they want

and then it'll go back to Carly knows Carly's

figured it out and somehow she finds a way to

Which I don't know my theory is she goes to the

Avengers and yeah, but yeah, I like that then

you know his new upgrade is working, and then

Peter gets sucked into Doc Ock's flashback, which

I thought was really cool, because Peter was

like, way to tick. How did I get here? Yeah,

because it's Doc Ock versus the Vulture. And

you see this kind of personal moment between

Doc Ock and Adrian Toombs, the Vulture, and you

find that the Vulture wasn't always this, it

wasn't necessarily the cackling madman that we

all know. kind of love he's like all I've ever

wanted was the one big score he's like that thief

that just wants to get that you know the one

last job and retire yeah yeah and then I like

that it's like weird it's like someone hit the

pause button like he's stuck you know like he's

still free to move around but the memory's been

paused and you go into the vultures hideout with

the vulture the vulture kids Which that was like

I don't like your kids Well, the thing is like

it never more so than this issue was the vulture

is Fagan Idea was more apparent like you kind

of got the idea In when the dad when they brought

him back in amazing spider -man a while ago with

the teenagers But no, yeah, you got like these

runaway vulture kids and he's like you also get

game tokens you're the best boss yes i am know

who wants pizza and i was like okay first of

all that's not the vulture recruiting kids not

that creepy what's creepy is these 10 year olds

who are willing to like break into places and

like drop people out of the sky and they're working

for game tokens and pizza this issue reminds

me of the batman the animated series episode

the under dwellers oh yeah this issue so reminds

me of that with the one exception that these

the vulture kids are willing participants whereas

in the under dwellers they were being forced

to do that stuff yeah and specifically where

spider -man busts in or spidey -oc busts in and

he offers vulture the big score like i will give

you your nest egg because you get the idea from

reading that scene with the vulture that him

and oc kind of respected each other dare i say

they were almost friends Mm -hmm. So I mean this

is legit off just like look dude. I'm I'm gonna

be straight up here Retire like you went out

be out Yeah, then you know, he's like Destroy

him and you know all the kids attack and easily

and the whole time Spidey ox like I'm trying

to tell you I got this money you can retire and

then he he backhands one of the kids and he goes

into that flashback where his where, you know,

Spidey gets sucked into another Doc's memories

and you see that he got abused as a child. And

this isn't the first time that you get the idea

that Doc Ock was abused as a kid. Like there

is the old Spider -Man Unlimited quarterly title,

you know, it was like almost a hundred pages

for like four bucks back in the day. And there's

this one story where you get a glimpse into Doc

Ock's past and how he was he met this researcher

when he was working at the nuclear power lab

and he fell in love and he was gonna marry her

and then his mother basically and all i've done

for you and you betray me like this and it you

know she was emotionally abusive to her son you

know he basically you know he gave he breaks

up with this girl and then he goes and tells

his mom i did what you wanted and where the hell

are you going well oh i'm going out on a date

you know i can have a life too and then doc ox

rants at his mother and causes her to have a

heart attack, and she passed away. So you get

the idea that he's not emotionally all there

sometimes. And then it comes back to this, you

know, and I kind of like that me personally,

because I remember that story, because that's

kind of what cemented Doc Ock for me as one of

my favorite villains is he's not a raving lunatic

like the Joker. You know, it's right. I'm not

saying it's justified, but you know, he is somewhat

sympathetic in the idea that he's really just

got a crack in the head. If he hadn't been in

that explosion, he might have been Spider -Man's

best friend. So yeah, exactly. Sorry. I mean,

off topic. And then, you know, he snaps. He's

like, you made me hit a kid. And, you know, he

takes he chases after the vulture. And I mean,

what he did to the vulture, that was even for

a lot of Marvel comics, that was kind of hardcore.

I mean, Don't stare into the flame from a welding

torch, kids. Because, I mean, Spider -Man blacks

out his lenses and he cranks up the juice in

the Spidey signal. He blinds the vulture and

probably electrocutes them somewhat, too, when

he throws them in there. Like, that was brutal,

to say the least. Yeah, it's not as brutal as

when... uh... what was it is it not old wounds

uh... over the edge it's not as brutal as when

bane through batman into the into the bat signal

in the btas episode over the edge but it's it's

still very very brutal well i mean you look at

the beating that he the smackdown that he laid

on boomerang in the first issue and this you

skipped some levels i'm gonna say And then the

end, like the way they end the issue with Carly

again kind of calling Doc on his approach to

crime fighting here, and then he's like, oh good,

you see. And then Ghost Peter's like, actually,

I think she does. You know, which, and it's like

I said, I love Carly Cooper, and I'm not saying

Doc Ock's gonna go like killer or something,

but you know, I fear for the future. Yeah, exactly

what I loved about that last panel was What'd

you do rub my lamp or something? How did I get

up here? I Know people are crying and outrage.

Oh my god ghost Peter. That's so wrong I thought

he was supposed to be dead, you know, but I like

between issue 2 and issue 3 I love the comedy

that that ghost Peter brings to it because that's

something that most New readers might need or

most old readers might need as well I think because

if people come into this fresh and you shouldn't

you people need to read 698 through 700 of amazing

first before you even start on superior To know

what the hell is going on. Oh, yeah, no, I But

but for for for people that are just starting

to read this they need The ghost peter humor

because doc as you said before doc ox humor is

not the it's not the quips at all He has some

quips, but they're more it's more of a dry humor

than sir. Yeah. No and the thing is with uh ghost

peter's commentary, it's Kind of reminds me of

daniel stern's narration in the wonder years

How he would make jokes, but you know what else

would hear it. So it's it's very much in that

vein Yeah, but Yeah, I know like I said the end

of this issue and then you see the preview issue

or preview image for the next issue The next

cover I mean of all the new villains the dance

lot created and I think dance lot created massacre

who's basically it's this guy with his brain

injury where He no longer cares. He doesn't he

understands the difference between right and

wrong. He just doesn't give a shit and doesn't

do it has absolutely no moral value for human

life yeah this him killing some dude is the same

thing is drinking a coffee you know that there

there there's no greater value to a human life

than that so but then we will get to that in

just a moment and finally in this episode of

the poll bag we talk about the superior spider

-man issue number four um... before we get going

into the the book itself i did not like this

cover i just i just don't care for it whatsoever

yeah i mean it's like i said before like massacre

is kind of a scary villain in that the guy doesn't

valued human life at all The dude looks like

a bald cousin Eddie from Christmas Vacation with

a foot with a Metal plate in his head Yeah, it's

it's what he looked at the first one. I mean,

it's uh Yeah, the car is like you got the little

bit of blood splatter and then you got massacre

pose you with the it's like Oh, did we step back

into the 90s? And the reason why I'm bringing

this up, why I don't like the cover, is because

most of the issues today, I think, have had variants.

We haven't really talked about the variants.

But for this one, I saw on Marvel's website that

there was a variant. And I was like, ooh, it's

just Spidey swinging in with a white background.

And it's all webs. I was like, ooh, I want that.

I went to my local comic shop and asked them

if they had the variant. They said they have

one copy. And apparently variants go by whatever

eBay prices are. The variant for issue four.

35 bucks Sorry, no, there's like I don't get

that maybe we'll do something in the future on

here on the pull bag as far as like Discuss comics

in general as far as discussing variant covers

and price and prices and all that But I was like,

oh no, I'll just take the regular three. Yeah

I think that might have just been your comic

shop because like this story go to here in Saskatoon

8th Street books and comics, which is a really

good store Doubt you'll ever get here. But anyway,

I digress Pat the owner, you know, he got in

some of those variant covers with his order I

think it's if you order so many you get they

throw in the variance or right? That's that's

what the order will be the variance. So yeah,

it's every crop does something different but

yeah variant covers never no mind, I mean that

First that first image of Spidey Hawk standing

there with like, you know, he's got it's got

this weird kind of Dracula feel or something

where he's got like the couple of spider -bots

crawling on a Couple there's like ten of these

things right on him I mean he's got like the

three of them on him, and then there's like It's

just it's it starts giving this kind of creep

factor Yeah, and then you know you go to the

next page, and he's busted up a robbery You know

that he's dealing with the vulture kids again,

you see one of the really kind of a third -tier

Marvel villain the white rabbit is like this

drug dealer and they're all like bowing down

before them and you're like We don't want to

end up like boomerang or the vulture and he's

like damn, right? You know and they move on and

it's I love the idea that there's Where one of

the spider bot calls in the fire alert things

like reroute it to the local fire department

and You know, he's like I got more important

places to be in ghost Peter's like aren't you

trying to be a hero? You took it all with bad.

Damn it. It's like where the hell are you? Oh,

right at mace therapy session Yeah You know,

it's uh And that's what I like about spider awk

is that he can Because he's learning he's he's

he's figuring out that as I said before earlier

in the in this episode of the podcast that He

learns that Peter's entire life is pretty much

Spider -Man and trying to make it as a scientist

when he's Peter Parker and not in the suit. And

he's got this family that he's to a degree ignored.

Pretty much, yeah. And I like the fact that Spider

-Ock can just say... reroute it to the fight

you know there's a cat in the tree reroute to

the fire department I've got better things you

know I you know I I get that and I like that

about it I think that's interesting because he

is looking out for the betterment of Peter's

life but I mean when you said that there you

reroute it to the fire department all that there's

a fire at the playboy mansion I'm on my way yeah

probably would say that yeah then he's like talk

I love that they go to the therapy session at

me it's like I'm glad you turned over to your

leaf he's like huh what you're spending so much

time with me and Ghost Peter's like you're really

starting to weird me out He literally is becoming

a better Peter Parker than Peter Parker was I

mean Yeah, and it's not that Peter couldn't have

done this It's just because of this overriding

guilt that he has which you know, that's the

core of the character. So don't get me wrong

it's Peter just naturally or just reflexively

just does not make that much of an effort sometimes.

And he comes, Spider -Rod comes to the realization,

he's no longer a doctor. Oh yeah, like when he

talks to like his boss Max. I love the fact that

the little black kid who's another scientist

at Horizon is named Uatu, because in the Marvel

Universe there's a licensed Fantastic Four comic

and his parents were comic nerds. Yeah, let's

name our first kid Uatu. And when you first meet

the kid, he's like, yeah, that's why I hurried

up and got the hell out of grade school while

I could. You know, he graduated. And then you

see like that exoskeleton. It's like, oh my God,

he's gone Borg. Yeah. You just look at like that

left leg with all the spikes and everyone's just

like, you sick mother. And then he's like, you

don't actually have a doctorate. It's like this

will not stand I will not go through life without

my well -earned title. Yeah. Yeah, it's like

I love that I didn't know this I don't know if

it's ever been mentioned by anyone in the comics

previously like he's he was in grad school and

he's one credit shy from having his doctorate

Wow, and I love the fact that even Sorry, just

the idea that he's gone mad scientist as peer

like he's wearing the white lab coat with the

collar and the elbow high gloves and the goggles

and You know It's like he's he freaks out and

he smashes that prosthesis that he made And of

course what made that panel for me was where

the electric or the living brain comes up tastier

beverage Tasty added sugar humans like sugar

You know and then From here you go to the Arkham

Asylum of Marvel. Except they've got slightly

better security. I said slightly. For the number

of times Carnage has broken out of this place.

Which hasn't been seen in years, but still considered

a long -standing supporting cast member of Spider

-Man's Dr. Ashley Kafka. You know a slightly

better psychologist than dr. Arkham And she goes

in with this guy to talk to massacre. You know,

he talks about his brain damage He's incapable

of citing value to human life I was like you

couldn't tell by the way the guy's slouching

at the door that the killer is right there No,

let's open the door and it's like damn Like neck

turned to full power many degrees that is and

then he caves the man's skull in and if she turns

around it's like crack And I honestly thought

it was like, I didn't think she was gonna die

for a second there, and he's like, well, that's

not true, Dr. Kafka. I don't need all of you,

and I was like, oh, geez. Oh, yeah, that was...

Very much, as you'll see later in the issue,

it's very much like what Simon Phoenix did to

that doctor in Demolition, man, so... Yeah, exactly.

We get that... You know, we go to ESU and Dawes

Spiderock is, you know, he's making some, getting

some play from some of the girls there. And Peter's

like, easy, Otto, I'm too old for those girls.

You're too old for their mothers. But in a way,

even though I said earlier that I find it very

creepy when, when Otto does that kind of stuff,

uh, as Peter Parker, cause obviously, you know,

50, 60 year old man in a young man's body, but

Don't mind it when it I know this is best gonna

come out bad. It's gonna sound bad I don't mind

it when he's flirting back with them because

it's only if like awk is He already proved it

an issue to he's not going to be tied down By

really his his his role in life. He even as spider

awk is science. He doesn't have time for Girlfriend's

relationship so like a little flirt on the side

or whatever else I don't mind that as much as

I minded and thought like it's creepy that he's

trying to Continue Peter's relationship with

MJ. Yeah, you know, so Hey, if I can use a random

hooker Well, well every man has needs yeah, but

especially the ones in Saskatoon Do you have

a McDonald's in that town? I don't think so The

whole idea of where you know, it's like talking

to the Dean and she's like, oh, it's great to

have an illustrious alumnus re -enroll And he

gave us a generous donation and you had a reference

from spider -man and even Peter's like I still

can't believe you did that I know I just I can't

I don't understand, and I know this is the Marvel

Universe, I know it's fictional, don't get me

wrong, but I don't understand any college or

dean or whatever that would say, oh, you've got

a recommendation from Spider -Man, like that

would even count. No, I mean it was probably

a - But I guess it would count because now in

this new future or this new time period or this

new phase in Marvel's history is - Spider -man

is beloved by all. It's not it's not 1994 where

that wall -crawling menace I'll get him next

time he tries to ruin my daily bugle. You know

it it's not that anymore It's it's the fact where

spider -man is loved by almost everyone in this

new book and in this new superior series Yeah,

and I love when they go into the classroom And

this is gonna set up for some comedy and future

issues. I'm sure is Doc Ock's former classmate

is now his physics professor. You know, Don the

Schnoz Lamaze. I was like... And then you see

that anger flare up in his eyes. He's like, no

one's called me that in years. Be prepared to

impress me, Parker. And then you get the unseen

chick to give him the, you're going to need a

tutor. He's like, I, of all people, do not, hey,

where'd she go? You know that he gets called

by the mayor's office to Ravencroft and he sees

what happened when He goes in the suit and then

the ghost Peter shows up in his spidey suit and

you know Massacre shows up. You see what happened.

Dr. Kafka is lying. They're dead and Jameson

kind of throws it back in his face because it

was a kind of a seminal thing in uh it's in a

fight he created massacre well he didn't create

massacre but he made this promise that no one

dies while i'm around to jamison and then he

kind of throws it back in his face that uh she's

dead you know and then eight more people are

dead you know she's dead jim she's dead yeah

and then it's like i will end this man and he's

like no this isn't how we don't get to where

is he now and he's gone to mcdonald's or Burger

King or well, it's Burger Town and then just

that whole sequence. Do you have mocha cola?

This is fizzy cola. I don't like fizzy cola.

And then the burger guy's like, we only serve

fizzy cola. Oh, that's a shame. I'd kill for

a mocha cola. And then he goes natural born killers

on the place, leaves the mother and child alive.

I love that word where he's he finishes shooting

bends down He just you hear that like that slurp

sound and then he's like, it's alright. I left

you alive on purpose Yeah, and then It's just

the whole idea of this guy he is scary because

the whole idea like I mean most villains Most

villains even the Joker to some degree have a

value for human life It in whatever regard in

whatever aspect of their plans, but this guy

truly does not Which for me is it's that's really

scary when like I said, this guy doesn't value

a human life any more than a cup of coffee You

know and how he leaves her off. It's like I might

be following you I might not but you better not

call the cops You know and then that final issue

where? You know, it's the Vulture Kids, they're

all crap, Spiderbot, we're screwed, and then,

bum, bum, bum! Green Goblin! Now, this may or

may not be our Norman Osborn. Yeah, let's just

hold off on speculation. Let's do a final thought

on this issue. This final issue that we're going

to talk about today. What is your final thought

for issue four? It's setting up, it's like, again,

like I said, oh, boomerang got thrashed by spider

-rock and then the the vulture and you know like

I said it's up in the scale of the violence that

spider -man is unloading on his enemies and oh

it's gonna be a bit of a bloodbath I think the

next issue when he gets his hand on massacre

like somebody walking away with a limp you know

yeah yeah for me I Liked certain parts of this

issue. I like the comedy in it. I like the whole

college thing I don't care for massacre as a

villain and I don't care for him because he is

that Marvel Universe psychotic copycat of the

Joker without the you know without the Joker

toxin without that it's what he that's what it

seems like to me he's not like as I said earlier

in the episode where I don't care for Mysterio

because I just think he's a Dumbass joke of a

villain and he's just oh, hey, let's insert stupid

villain here That's just the way I feel about

him with with massacre. I just don't care for

him all around in general. It's just It's just

not my thing at all as far as the villain goat

like Don't and I know DC and Marvel they go back

and forth go back and forth but it's like don't

try to create a a version of the joker just don't

well there's the they kind of did that i'd think

of the marvel joker probably be carnage if anything

well right but like this whole thing in in in

this issue of massacre killing all those people

except the mother and said and and kid you know

that whole thing and everything else not i i

don't know uh... as far like the end of the issue

i'd brightened up i was like Ooh issue five get

here now, so that's the thing with Marvel like

the amazing Spider -Man superior Spider -Man

2 it's basically every two weeks and Marvel's

been doing that more and more with more of their

titles that it's usually a week or two Between

issues so I'm if it's not this week. It'll definitely

be next week. So No issue five comes out By the

time this airs, issue five will have already

been out. It comes out March 6th, I believe.

So, yeah, I mean, no, but when I first read issue

four is what I meant. When I got to the end of

it, I was like, ooh, yay, issue five, Green Goblin,

bring it on. And I don't care. I'm excited to

see which version of Green Goblin it is. I don't...

you know at this point i don't know i don't care

but i'm interested to see what what unfolds so

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back here in The Pull Bag. First four issues

of Superior Spider -Man, final thought? Like

I said, that first issue got a pretty extreme

reaction from me, but overall I'm digging the

series. It's not going where I really expected

it to go, but I'm interested in seeing where

it's going to go. Like I said, I fear for the

future of Carly Cooper and I want to see what's

going to happen. For me, I'm loving it. I think

it's great. I think it's interesting. It's great

writing the art in these books. Even though I

didn't like issue four's cover, the art itself

in the book and in the other three books, it's

so amazing. It's such great art. I love all the

new improvements that Otto is doing to the Spidey

suit, all the different things. I'm even getting

used to the spider bots and the fact that he's

not always controlling. doing patrolling and

everything else i like that because it's different

it's something new it's not your average spider

-man plot and i'm absolutely loving it yeah for

me really quickly as far as other stuff that

i'm reading or other stuff i recommend i just

i know i'm a little late on this but i just read

batman gates of gotham oh my god so awesome um

I've also read some other stuff as well. I'm

starting to read Transformers comics and everything

else so That's gonna be interesting. What are

you recommending to the listeners that they should

check out? You wanted to say something about

avenging spider -man? I think yeah, I know avenging

spider -man is kind of like the new take on the

old Marvel two -and -one which was the spider

-man team up title and Basically, I mean go back

and read it from the beginning because it's had

some really great issues, but the last three

are kind of notable in that they're all involving,

you know, Spider -Ock, like there's a 15 .1,

which is basically the point one issues are bridge

stories between, basically they're bridge stories

start jumping on points and it's basically a

look at, you know, what Ock was up to in the

days before Superior Spider -Man number one.

Issue 16. teamed up Wolverine and the X -Men

with Spider -Man where Spider -Rock lays a smackin

on Wolverine and looked at everyone else is like

what you didn't want to do that and Iceman's

like I've been thinking of doing that for years.

And then there's because Spider -Man's part of

the Fantastic Four slash the Future Foundation

and where he basically has to be Spider -Rock

has to be a babysitter for the kids at the Baxter

building and You know, it's setting up something

involving the sinister six because at the end

he steals this Basically the Sandman out of a

vault that he was stuck in right? So I definitely

say check that out and Looming large in the future.

They're gonna they have they're teasing this

thing where spider -man may or may not get fired

from the Avengers Which I'm kind of looking forward

to because I was like for years. He should be

on a team. I mean, he's a hero And then he got

to be a part of the Avengers, and I was like,

hell yeah, Spidey. So let's see how Spider -Rox

is going to mess this up. Yeah, really. Or succeed

with it, you never know. Exactly. All right.

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