Other Victories, Nemesis Part 1, and Nemesis Part 2

Sentinel Online, now loading the Beast Unleashed

podcast. This is David Soboloff, voice of Depth

Charge in Beast Wars, and you're listening to

the Beast Unleashed podcast. This episode of

the Beast Unleashed podcast features Stephen

C. Phillips, Mike Blanchard, and Michael Wilson.

Hello and welcome to the world's first ever Beast

Wars Beast Machines Review podcast. This is the

Beast Unleashed podcast brought to you by the

Geekcast Radio Network. I'm your host, TFG1 Mike,

and I'm joined by Pecan Court Michael. Hello.

Hey, how's it going? It's going. And Steve Megatron.

Hello, sir. Say we'll be reviewing the final

three episodes from Beast Wars season 3 So what's

going on guys? I'm not typing damn it Someone's

typing anyway So how's it going guys? Doing okay.

Yes any interesting stories from the Wilson household

said fuck me oh really that was it that was interesting

yeah how the hell did that happen wow he was

just he was sitting well we were getting ready

to leave uh... grocery shopping or something

and he said i have to go potty and christy said

fine go potty And she grabbed the baby and went

out to the car to get him strapped in, and I

stayed with Aiden. And Aiden's sitting there

on the toilet going potty, and he says, fuck

me. And I said, uh, Aiden, what did you say?

And he said, fuck me. I said, um, why would you

say that? And I'm suppressing the urge to just

smack him, you know? Just like, why would you

say that? And he says, because mommy is gonna

get in the car and leave without me. And I said,

no, she's not gonna leave without me and I'm

here with you. So there's no reason to say that.

And he said, well, I probably shouldn't say that

because it's bad. I said, yeah, you probably

shouldn't say it. I wouldn't recommend saying

that anymore. He's like, okay. He's just so matter

-of -factly, you know? Like, where did you learn

that? It wasn't from me. I mean, I don't... I

may curse a little bit here and there, but number

one, I try not to in front of the boy, right?

And number two, that's not something that I usually

say. Mm -hmm. So yeah, that was an interesting

parenthood story. That's nuts, dude. I know.

Well, you know, you're a four -year -old. What

are you gonna do? They say the damnedest things.

Yeah, just sitting on the toilet, pooping away.

Fuck me. I was like, what? It's like, how about

not? Yeah, it's like, maybe you shouldn't say

that. Anyway, you know when I was little and

if I had said that it you know, it would have

been instant beating I just I wouldn't have been

walking any for a good week But you know, we

don't do that with our kids. So it's it's more

like okay. Let's let's analyze this a little

bit What what why would he say that, you know?

Oh But you know, he agreed not to say it anymore

and I didn't have to pummel him That's that's

good Let's try to segue from that. What have

you been up to, Steve? I'm doing various voice

actor stuff all over the internet. I recently

got in an audio play on voicehackingawaiians

.com as Beast Wars Megatron and Tarantulas. And

I'm also in the running for G1 Megatron Starscream

and Scourge in a Transform the movie abridged

Nice. Yes, very very cool Do we have anything

we need to respond to because I don't remember

No, no don't bacon damn it I mean as far as like

fan stuff. Do we have anything from the website

posts or I? Notice glades been posting on some

of the TBU postings on the website. Yes, it's

mostly about how hilarious the Depth Charge Fish

Pants was. Everybody's getting a kick out of

that. Depth Charge Fish Pants is probably going

to be at the end of this episode, actually, because

you did re -record a better version of it than...

Oh yeah, I have it. It is awesome. Nice. It includes

step -charge fishpets. Do we have anything else

before we get into the episodes? Have we brought

up our UK affiliate lately? No, which our UK

affiliate actually needs to send me MP3s, dammit.

That's what they need to do. Get on that, Phil.

I'm sure he will. Yeah, I think he's actually

at Frightfest. I think he's in London right now.

I think he's at Frightfest as we're recording

this. Oh, that's right. I saw that post. I was

wondering what they were doing in London, but

no, no, I didn't put two and two together. That

makes sense. Yeah, math is evil. I know. I'm

not very good with numbers. As you know, the

54th anniversary, wow. Yeah, let's not go there.

Actually, I do have something very interesting.

If my budget allows for it in September, I am

going to be commissioning from Cali a Transmetal

2 Cheeto or Puggle former. Is that going to have

special metallic fabric? I wish, but I doubt

it. I don't even know if that exists. Yeah, sure

it does. Well, I'll tell her to get on that then.

Not like tinfoil, but I mean, it's like reflective

fabric. Yeah. And speaking of the Puggleformers,

Mr. Puggalus Maximus over there. You gotta take

pictures of that thing. I mean, other than Twitch,

like, you, alright, I know you're not gonna update

your website with the photo stuff, with the bio

and the photo stuff, but you have to do a blog

post about that with lots of pictures. I am I

need to settle down and take some pictures. I

wanted to take some video of it I've got a video

on YouTube not just friggin Facebook. I Will

I will I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

I meant to but you know, I want to do it, right?

You know, I just snapped a quick photo and put

it up on Twitter Just uh, you know, like how

I know that I got it and you know, it's just

It worked out just like I thought it would. I

mean, Puggles are pretty much the same size as

Fort Max's head. And a Fort Max Puggle sitting

on Fort Max's shoulders looks terribly cool.

It's painfully cute. It's cuter than Fort Max

has any right to be. Yes, yes it does. Alright,

so I think we are going to get into some episodes.

I'll never serve one as evil as you. You have

little choice. And while you deal with the Maximals,

I will complete the destruction of the Ark. You

can't. The Time Storm from such an action would

wipe out your entire race. Only those descended

from Autobot and Decepticon. But I and the Tripedicus

Council have different origins. Under our rule,

Cyclophon will conquer the universe. And your

precious Valk. You're insane. So they say. Low

data tracks seen on an exitude. First up today

is other victories and please nobody interrupt

me so I don't screw stuff up Michael Wilson Other

victories one or two Shut up. You're gonna screw

it down not up. Oh Boy, the original air date

was May 5th 1999. It was written by Larry DiTillio

far away from Earth in a Nebula like cloud live

the Valk the aliens who seeded Earth with the

strange devices that the Maximals and Predacons

encountered throughout the last two and a half

years. The Vox sends a disruption in the time

stream emanating from Earth. This powerful creature

named Tiger Hawk arrives on Earth and destroys

the Dark Side. Okay, I had to combine my first

two notes because... Yeah... Because I really

like the effects in the beginning of the episode.

And then the transsexuality starts. The trans...

I don't think it's transsexual if you combine

two members of the opposite sex into a single

being. Especially if that single being is then

firmly male. I don't know. But the reason why

I saw that was because you combine... I mean,

he's basically... What I was going to say was...

He's basically a Transmetal 2 Fusor. Which is

strange. But fusing the two personalities of

Tigertron and Airazor. See now, I don't think

her personality comes out at all. I don't, it's

Tigertron. It sounds like Tigertron, it acts

like Tigertron. It acts like Tigertron, so it

must be Tigertron. Yeah, that's kind of the way

I see it. If it smells like cheese, then it must

taste like cheese, so it is cheese. Yeah. I just

thought it was weird that their bodies merge

and then shoot off toward Earth, and then their

sparks kind of follow along behind. Yeah, that

was kind of strange. So it's like, I almost thought

that they left it open so that maybe... as opposed

to dying, Tigerhawk could be split up into Tigertron

and Airazor again sometime in the future so that

their sparks could then re -inhabit the bodies.

Maybe, possibly. That would pave the way for

the Transmetal versions of Tigertron and Airazor.

Yeah, for the toys, yeah. Since that's the only

way they're going to hit that form. Well, no,

I don't think there was a... Transmetal Tigatron,

but there was a Transmetal air razor. Yeah, I

have it one of the versions It was like four

or five repaints of it, but it's not a bad figure.

No, it's okay I was really surprised. They never

bothered to go back and repaint the one or the

other of the Transmetal Cheetors into a Tigatron.

I mean, that's a layup Not really, because Transmetal

Cheetor was a completely different mold than

Tigatron, wasn't it? Well, no, what I'm saying

is the original Tigatron was a repaint of Cheetor,

so why not take the Transmetal Cheetor and repaint

him in Tigatron colors? Oh, okay, I got you.

So there you go, Transmetal Tigatron. I mean,

like I said, that's a no -brainer. Yeah. The

dark side go boom! Now I like Megatron, he's

like looking around, he's got like this weird

smirk on his face. Abandon ship. Yeah, he's kinda

gritting his teeth like, I like Rattrap, he's

like, alright, up high! Yeah. Don't leave me

hanging! And everyone's like, aw crap, and he's

like, am I the only one that sees this? This

is cool, come on, seriously, up high. To the

sky, down low, too slow. Too slow, you got soul,

yeah. At least this time Waspinator has company!

Oh yeah, that was awesome. Yes it was. I like

Waspinator. Waspinator down with that. I like

Megatron green. I like him wearing the headpiece.

Judge Megatron, yeah that was so awesome. What

is it British Judge called again? Sir? No, no,

it's like a magistrate or something. Yeah, magistrate,

yeah. Magistrate headgear. Yeah, that's funny.

Butt and face probe. Yuck. That's in reference

to when Tarantulas captures Tigatron and he has

all the spiders go all over his body. One goes

up his ass and one covers his face like the one

spider thing covered Optimus' face back in season

one. Oh, like a facehugger from Aliens. This

is just insult to injury because the injury comes

when the one right before that shoots him right

in the crotch. No, yeah, and I was like you just

see it's heading for his crotch They don't actually

show it hit him in the deck, right? But the look

on his face shows just got hit in the deck And

then they had injury on top of that insult to

injury if you will it covers up his face with

the You know the the face hugger and you know

a face huggers do they've got like You know the

thing that goes down your throat and inserts

eggs It's kind of like a big jump that comes

out of the bottom of it, you know? So, you know...

I almost wish I didn't write that note down now.

Yeah, so you're basically getting teabagged here

by this, you know, spider thingy. Um... Disturbing?

That would suck, I know! So you're getting punished

in the grind and you've got something teabagging

you. You're just not having a good day! Oh man,

so Tarantulas go boom, finally. And I think,

really quick before you guys chime in, Michael,

I think one of the reasons why Tigatron and Airazor's

sparks floated behind them to follow was because

when he, when they're they... turned into Tiger

Hawk, it was the two alien skulls that... like

they removed the sparks and inserted the skulls

into the Tiger Hawk body so it had an alien presence

because Tarantulas' whole thing was he was going

to remove the alien presence from Tiger Hawk

and that's what made him go boom was the alien

skulls went inside him. So that's why you had

Tigatron and Eraser's sparks following behind

it. I kind of thought it looked like an exorcism.

Oh yeah, it did. Yeah, like we need the young

priest and an old priest. Oh well no, really

alls we need now is black arachnid doing the

exorcist chick walking upside down to the stairs.

Oh, with her head spinning around shooting that

pea soup, yeah. But who else shit themselves

when tarantulas blew up? I did not. I was quite

surprised that they actually killed him. I didn't

see it coming. I did not see that happening.

I've said this before on this show, but when

I first got the DVDs, I marathon watched them

and I was like, ooh, awesome. And then when I

went back and I watched it now, I'm like, I'm

like pumping my fist like, yes, no more tarantulas.

Finally got rid of that asshole. That has got

to be the worst explosion for a bot in the entire

series. Are you serious? I thought the effect

was really nice. I liked it. Yeah. No, I'm saying

like. the the most explosive like damaging oh

well outside of what we'll talk about later in

nemesis part two but yeah i think he was the

most this was the most uh... i don't know there's

i can't express it this is that you know there's

nothing left he was disintegrated this was this

was like star scream hardcore Yeah. Yeah, I didn't

really take a lot. It's funny. On these last

three episodes, I didn't really take a whole

lot of notes. I took notes, but I was really

enjoying these. So my last note was things have

changed a lot. Steve, what do you got for us?

Well, as I said before, I like the Megatron helmet.

English helmet. I liked the epic battle between

Megatron and Tigerhawk, obviously ending with

Megatron getting his ass handed to him. I liked

the trial of Quickstrike where Waspinator is

his defense and basically hands him to the gutters.

Yeah, that was awesome. Waspinator's like...

Waspinator like defense a little more defense

and maybe waspinator not get blown up all the

time And then quick strikes like looks like this

is my last round up, you know, and then waspinator

starts straightening He's like, uh -huh to head

throw Megatron in love pit Megatron angry. I

think to had a traitor Why just like to head

waspinator down with that? It's like the the

the hip -hop pose where he's like I'm down with

that I know it crossed his arms and had the pose

That should so be the box art for this one here

Never know but um Yes, and then Megatron basically

is like Just like when you know Megatron turned

to Galvatron. I don't put up with your crap anymore.

So this is how it's going down You know basically

You will be sorrier. Yes Rattrap was hilarious

though. He's like Looks like the Beast Wars are

over for the Preds and he starts laughing. Yeah

up high And then Rhinox is like, who do you think

they're coming for after they're done with them?

I don't know, it's Blackarachnia I think but

yeah, something like that Okay, no up high. No

one wants to high five me bastards. I like Megatron

though. He's like This is my world now you have

no place in it Okay, and you get to see a little

bit more tarantulas is kooky sideways when tiger

hawks like you're insane He's like so they're

saying he starts cackling and he like skips in

the air. It's like a Looney Tunes moment for

him He's kind of reveling you know Well, you

don't know until the next episode, but basically

he's on the verge of victory. He's about to win

the Beast Wars for himself. Yep. And Tiger Hawk

screws it. Well, well, yeah, basically he screws

himself because, you know, he ended up blowing

his own damn self up with his own machinery.

Well, didn't you like the scene where the Vox

are coming at him, and he starts shooting the

thing, and then he puts his fingers crossing

each other like, no, I put the hex on you, stay

away. And then I should say, I should remind

Michael, this is the episode where Tarantulas

says, it doesn't matter. as far as the timeline

being disrupted, because I'm not Autobot or Decepticon.

The Tri -Predicus Council and I have different

origins. They don't directly say Unicron, but...

It could be that Jay hacks this army. Well, yeah,

they don't actually say Unicron here, but later

on, and I want to say the next episode, Megatron

actually calls him a unicorn spawn Spawn of unicorn

spark He says something like that like a unicorn

spawn or something and you know that may have

been an epitaph like spawn of Satan or something

but Some people take it to mean that no he was

actually created by Unicron kind of like a sideways

character in Armada You know not of Autobot or

Decepticon origin But you know take take that

what you will Yeah, I mean I can I can kind of

see that I Don't so much buy into it. I'm not

I'm not really sure why what he meant of that

Yeah, I'm sure Larry to tell you I'll probably

knows but I don't really go into it. I Can still

deal with it? Yeah, but why they would even have

him say that when he's gonna blow up five minutes

later is kind of ridiculous, but Yeah, it's it's

one of those purposeful things that you know

They just want you to Yeah, kind of suffer through

like oh this might survive, and then they're

like nope Well, you know there's a lot of characters

that I thought should have died a while ago You

know tarantulas being one of them. I mean he

he had already blown up was pretty well gone

once and that was before You know, you ended

up with that black arachnia resurrection thing

But yeah, a lot of characters gonna die here

pretty quick, you know Yeah, I didn't really

think that this was gonna be the end of tarantulas,

but I think Maybe if there had been another season,

we probably would have saw tarantulas come back

It's debatable, but yeah probably Because you

know as far as this world's concerned They all

somehow come back But there was something that

they hinted for the next two episodes and it

was the nemesis is shown on tarantulas his computer

Yeah Floating around while he was Dealing with

the buck. Yeah. Yeah That's true. I was wondering

what that was there for but no that that was

the nemesis that makes sense. I Liked a few times

a cheetah or kind of showed up. He was basically

there to You know make a guest appearance but

when he shows up to follow the errant spark you've

got the No, it's nothing like that. No. Can't

fault him. Well, you know, sparks aren't supposed

to just float around. Well... Unless you're Starscream.

Yes. Yeah, otherwise, they're not supposed to

just float around. Or unless they're giant skulls

in the skies. Is it in this episode, or is it

in the next episode where, um... Yeah, it's in

this one. Where the spark finally, you know...

Yeah, Primal shows up and he asks him, what is

that? Yeah, well, he says, what is it? And Cheetor

says, it's old friends, come home. And I think

that was really nice because if you go back in

our episodes when we talked about the one where

the two of them got destroyed or got taken away,

it was Cheetor there the whole time and witnessed

them. So you have continuity here. So I really

like that. That was nice. And again, it would

have been nicer if the newly, I don't want to

say resurrected, but yeah, this new Tigatron

entity, if you could, I don't want to say see

Airazor in there, but you know. Just some type

of reminder that yeah, Airazor's there aside

from the wings. Maybe she's an apple in his eye.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I thought it was funny.

They're slapping her on Cheetor. If your Cheetor's

on the Fritz, just give it a whack. It'll work.

Yeah, that's where the end. Oh yeah, because

Cheetor got knocked out. And then the sparks

wake him up. They're like, hey, uh, Catbot, we

need help. It's like Lassie. Look, look, look.

It's like, come find my body. I'm not dead yet.

I'm not dead. I feel happy. Come here, sonny.

What else you got, Steve? Um, I think that's

pretty much it for that episode. I mean, it was

a good, uh, uh, It was one of the better throwaway

episodes in a sense because this character survives

for three episodes not even that See I think

this could almost have been a three -parter He

survives till Nemesis part two I know that's

what I'm saying, but I think that They could

have instead of calling this other victories.

This could have been Nemesis part one But they

wanted to stay with the other with the V Yeah,

that they had going from the entire first second

third season so that's true They had to wrap

up the alien timeline and so now they're like,

okay aliens are dead because you know There's

only two out of this whole Nexus, you know Project

that yeah out of all the box. These are the only

two that you know We'll just kill them and call

it good Nobody knew where they went. Well, now

they assumed it was destroyed, so they were like,

I thought it was sterilized. Well, apparently

not, numb nuts. What about you, Michael? What

do you got for other victories? I had noticed

that, you know, you can tell how comfortable

David Kay is with his role at this point. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. I mean, just the whole courtroom

scene. was just I mean he just played that not

so much over the top but it was out there but

it was so casual if you know what I mean oh yeah

and and yeah I don't think that uh you know they

would have pulled that off in the first season

no not at all it's just very well done but uh

that's about all I got that's it Well, I covered

some other things I had notes as far as you know

cheaters appearances and being slept around and

At one point up optimal optimus actually forgets

how to fly Oh, yeah Yeah, and then his hand sticking

out it's like zombie fire when i saw that the

first thing i thought of because his hand is

damn big first thing i thought of was shredder

from tmnt2 venus flytrap come here cheater let

me squeeze you no he's like he's like gary pull

my finger at that point he's blowing himself

out Poor Gary we give that guy so much flack

and he's such an awesome guy Yes So I guess we

are gonna move on then if we don't have anything

else to say about other victories X was here

and Dinobot they went that way fleeing our approach

Not if I know Megatron he's after something Nemesis.

You're kidding. I wish. Depth Charge. We've had

our differences, but you and I both know that

this is bigger than both of us. They're underwater,

which means you're our only hope. Warheads armed,

full speed to maximum. You have to stop Megatron.

At any cost. Consider it done. Beast Mode! And

finally, the last... Two -parter of Beast Wars.

Closure we get. Sort of. First up is Nemesis

Part 1. The original air date was May 6, 1999.

Written by Bob Forward. Tigerhawk adjusts to

this new lease on life and the powerful abilities

he has. The Predacons are without a base and

Megatron dispatches a team to look for new staging

grounds while he investigates Tarantulas's recent

schemes. Megatron discovers that the arachnid

scientist has pinpointed the location of the

Nemesis, the battle cruiser that launched the

Generation 1 Decepticons from Cybertron before

they boarded the Autobot Ark. Dun dun dun! Dun

dun! And normally it's Steve's thing to find

stuff from the wiki, but I thought this was very

interesting. If you look at the Nemesis Part

1, uh, post... page on the wiki. I love the caption

for the Nemesis picture. The most powerful warship

ever built and I just had it washed. That's awesome.

Alright, so getting into my own notes here. I'm

not taking away Steve's notes, but uh... Asshole.

Just because I read some of it from there doesn't

mean I read it all. I have my own mind, you know.

You're a robot, you have no mind, you have no

brain, you have no personality. Shut up, crown!

Transform and finish it! I don't know, whenever

optimal, optimus, or optimus in general just

makes lines like that, I just love it because

it just reminds me so much of Prime from G1,

even though it's not something Optimus Prime

ever really said, but I thought that was really

cool. I don't think it's something Atomos Prime

would ever say. And I've said it before and I'll

say it again. This does not seem very autobotly.

And again, these are not autobots. These are

Maximals. There's a difference. I don't think

so. And actually, I have to argue something with

you about the whole autobotly thing because...

I've gone back, and I'm getting on a whole tangent

away from Nemesis here, but I've been going back

through my Matrix set, and I'm up to, like, I

don't know, Fire in the Sky, or I'm up to, like,

the ninth or tenth episode of Season 1. And there

are several times throughout there that the Autobots

actively go after the Decepticons to stop them

before the Decepticons even do any activity,

so the Autobots are not totally good, and not

totally to the point where... They fight only

if they have to. So, yeah, I've been going back

and I've noticed a lot of stuff from G1 and I've

noticed a lot of stuff from the movie that conflicts

with your term auto -botly. So, uh... How about

this one? Blow it out your exhaust port, Primal.

Uh, yes dear. Silverbolt is so whipped. Yes dear.

well he's just ahead of his at that point his

head fell off. yeah and i like the spring. yeah

he's ahead of his time. did you see the spring?

yeah. yeah the spring. i rock those second robots.

yep. he should have stopped while he was ahead.

oh damn waspinator final splat alert before he

gets his comeuppance. One of the things that

when I was watching this just, I think I watched

it, yeah, I watched it like three in the morning

a night ago or something. I don't know, I watched

it like after we recorded the Kristy Marks interview.

When the proto -humans are alerting each other,

it's Star Wars horns. It's the same musical,

it's not the instrument, but it's the same musical

sound that they used at the end of Jedi. to show

the celebration in the in the special edition

it's the same friggin sound you think so? I know

so if it's not the exact same same sound it's

extremely similar because the first thing I thought

when I watched it earlier I was like ooh Star

Wars so they've got like Ewok horns yep it was

cool though I'm not saying it's not cool. I'm

just saying it It was so cool that ten years

later George Lucas came and replaced the music

I thought it was a very awesome job on the flashback

scene telling the g1 history of how the ships

crashed I Thought that was a really nice visual

showing the arc and the nemesis It was awesome,

yes it was When depth charge cuts open rampage,

his spark is showing also a beating red heart.

That is very weird. That might be why he couldn't

die. There's something like, and it's like a

split, it's not so much of a split second of

like the Starscream thing from Waspinator back

in, I was going to say Obsession, Possession.

Uh, it's a thing where if you look at the open

chest and you look, like, immediately to the

left, you can see another part of his insides.

It looks like a heart. At least to me it does.

Something swollen right off the side? Yeah. Um,

when Rampage gets destroyed, I like how the flash

between Dinobot, TM2, and the original shows

up. That was very cool. was really cool how he

held his you know held his chest as I mean of

course that death scene of depth charge was so

epic it was like awesomely cool and primals like

depth charge did it he won the Beast Wars and

he's like you know not realizing what is depth

charge gonna do when he hits the water he's gonna

take out the you know the unkillable yeah he's

not gonna go after the nemesis hell no he's gonna

go after rampage I actually thought that the

explosion there would have at least harmed the

nemesis. They weren't nearby. It shook the ship.

It shook. I barely even felt that. Yeah, but

it was cool to see Dinobot and get that little

flash, kind of like he was being restored. Yeah.

And my final note before we move on to Steve,

this is the second time Rattrap has kissed Ryan

Ox. They might like each other a little too much,

I think. Well, you know my opinion on four of

the G1 Transformers, and I'm not saying that

Rattrap is that, but... You know, Rattrap was

a little over -excited, he thinks they won, he

thinks they're going home, he thinks that...

You know, I mean, he's maybe just a little outside

of himself at that point. And, you know, to be

honest, Rhinox might like it a bit. Okay. Okay.

So, Michael, why don't you go ahead and do your

the Covenant of Primus is an audio cassette.

Yeah. He opens up this book and it's like Soundwave

in a box. Yeah, the Covenant of Primus is now

a book on tape. Or Blaster in a box. He's reading

it, but it's an audio tape. It makes no sense.

Yeah. It's like, are you sure you can read a

cassette like that? Well, what kills me, though,

is it's a book, right? I mean, clearly it's supposed

to be a giant Bible. And Primal is getting very

preachy all of a sudden. Hint for later. Well,

you know, within a few episodes here, Cheeto

is going to have to take over because he's too

damn preachy. We won't get into that now. He's

like, in the power of the people. Exactly. They

told us to eat our EC's pieces. I wanna see him

get full on, you know, just, uh, you know, televangelist

mode. Where he starts smacking people on the

head and bringing them back to life. You're healed!

Well, well, it's like, it's like, he swims down

to the bottom of the ocean. Depth charge! Oh,

healed! You're no longer dead. Now you can walk.

Yeah, because he's blown up. I also like the

Cheshire Ant. The Cheshire Ant? The Cheshire

Ant. I thought that was funny. The way Inferno

kind of ducks out sideways from behind a tree.

And on one side of the tree, he's there. And

the other side of the tree, he's not there. Oh,

OK. And granted, the trees may be what? Six inches

wide. Yeah. it's it's like impossible for him

to not be on the other side of the tree so it's

like ninja inferno yeah i um i noticed something

about inferno when he was when they were sent

out when he won on the trio of him waspinator

and and quick strike were sent out he said yes

my queen and megatron didn't say anything he's

used to it well you know why yes To assassinate.

I don't think he intended to assassinate them.

I think they just happened to be in the way.

No. What else you got Michael? Waspinators rants,

uh, Antbot can't find thorax with both hands

in a roadmap. I thought that was funny. I mean,

you know, he's really, he's really starting to

dislike his coworkers at this point. Just not

playing very well with others. It's funny to

see where that goes later. Well, I like how,

um, he, you know, Inferno and Quickstrigger talking

about getting a new Cali and all that other crap.

And, you know, uh, Waspinators like, uh, Said

no after they're like asking him his opinion.

He's like dragon by command you some commander

kiss, but and then you know starts going off

he says you rips is his a simple Predacon emblem

off and Tells him to kiss almost got to kiss

my ass, but Almost got there. He says big that

stripy at and then he got blown away. Yeah, they

shot him pulp fiction style There's a lot of

pulp fiction references here. Well, we'll get

into that, I suppose. I just thought that was

funny. What I thought was funny, Steve, you mentioned

him ripping off his symbol. I thought these things

were, like, tampoed or, you know, not tampoed,

but, like, branded into their bodies. This isn't

G1 Skyfire, for Christ's sake, or animated retgar

where you can just rip it off and put another

one on. But you gotta remember how many times

Waspinator's been blown to pieces and put back

together by the chemicals in that, you know,

tank. You know, some of its nut can all last.

So there might be some erosion going on, some

rust. It just peels right off. That is true.

Very, very true. I thought it was funny when

you have a quick strike attacking the human settlement

because you know my first thought was finally

it's something the quick strike can actually

beat Is that mean he's always wanting to beat

up on other people and he just can't he's always

getting his ass handed to him You know some kind

of rooting for him at this point like yeah kick

that proto humans ass exactly well at first I'm

thinking that's kind of lame but I mean he's

got spear sticking out of him and I'm thought

well you know quick strike might go down with

three or four spear sticking out of him but not

inferno but then he gets hit with like a thousand

yeah We're just going to pummel you to death

with these. He's got Britney Spears sticking

out of him. Lame. Lame. That's bad. Did you notice

Optimus had his blast shields on his shoulders?

Yup. Earlier on? Yup. I thought, well that's

kind of cool. And then later on in the episode

they come off. Later, I think it's no that's

in part two. I'll bring that up in part two cuz

yeah I'll bring that up in part two Go ahead

Michael. Sorry Shouldn't it be physically impossible

for rampage and death charge to sword fight underwater?

Yes. Yes, it should but That happened in this

episode or is that next episode? This is where

death charge actually stabs rampage to the heart

Yeah, I Finally I forgot about that actually

because when I was watching that I'm not a fan

of underwater scenes in anything whether it's

films whether it's TV whether it's cartoons because

underwater scenes are so slow however with this

one It was extremely fast -paced. I thought Well,

they it's like they changed the lighting and

added bubbles But otherwise, you know, they're

still sword fighting. It's not like they're slowed

by the you know, the weight of the water or anything,

which was strange But uh, uh, did you notice?

Well, I want to say it was fairly deliberate

but you've got death charge and he's just about

to stab Rampage the heart and he goes on his

his you know tirade and calls him a You know,

he's basically says Go to hell, you stinking

piece of shit. In so many words, right? As close

as you can get to that on a kids show. And then

he's like, just fucking take it. I'm just gonna

stab this right in your heart. And then he pauses.

And at that point, Rampage lets go of his sword.

Yeah, and says, go right on ahead. Have fun.

I'm not entirely sure what the thought process

here is. I mean, first of all, you've got depth

charge. He's on a single track, one track mind.

All he wants to do is kill Rampage. And he has

his chance. This is it. Does he realize that

by stabbing Rampage in the heart with this energon

stick, that he's going to blow himself up as

well? I don't think so. You know, but something

tells me that Rampage does. Because Rampage basically

says, go ahead, do it. And, you know, and he

doesn't, in my mind, it's not like, ha ha, I'll

take you with me. In my mind, it's almost like

Rampage is saying, you know what, I'm too damn

old for this and let's just end it. We're getting

too old for this shit. Exactly. You know, just,

let's just, let's just do it. Come on. You know,

and at the same time, I think that he knew he

was taking Def Charge with him. Now whether or

not Def Charge knew that he was going to die,

I don't know. But I don't know. I want to say

that there should have been a way that they could

have killed Rampage without killing Def Charge

as well. I think what it was was, and I hate

to point out that you could be wrong, but I saw

it as not, um, after Depth Charge, you know,

said, I'm going to stick this through your, your,

your, your twisted spark or whatever else. It

was Rampage that just kind of moved and paused

himself. And then Depth Charge paused after Rampage

did, because, uh, Depth Charge, like pretty much

got in his face, kind of like prime from, from

Revenge of the Fallen. Like, give me your spark,

boy, bitch, you know? Um, And I think it was

like, because there's a moment where DepthCharge,

his eyes go wide, because Rampage stopped holding

his hands. And then DepthCharge stuck him. Right,

where he just, Rampage just lets go and says,

have at. Go ahead. Yeah. I mean, I think it's

open to interpretation. When we talk with David

Sobolev, he actually said, Look, I'm not the

writer. I don't really know what was meant. I

don't really know what he was thinking And and

kind of refused to extrapolate there, but you

know, which is fine I understand that but I think

it's open to the to the viewer as to what really

happened But you know interesting conundrum,

I don't know I just thought it was strange that

Def charge would would you know rat rather die?

And and take rampage with him Rather than let

rampage go Yeah, that's quite odd Yeah, anyway,

you know to leave that one alone Once again a

butterfly bites it You see the butterfly blow

up at the beginning well this butterfly totally

bit it Well sort of doggy bot but you know you

got this trap tunnel and it explodes and it's

like boom the butterflies just gone and they

have a habit of You know crushing butterflies

in this series. So I don't know if that was like

foreshadowing or not foreshadowing but What they

call that yeah for sure we'll leave it at that

it's kind of foreshadowing because In a later

scene you have the shrimp which are in effect

the butterflies of the deep being crushed under

Rampage's tank treads. Right. Which I thought

was funny. Anytime I see an animal outside of

the Maximals or the Predacons, I've almost been

conditioned to think that somewhere nearby a

protoform is going to scan that animal and turn

into it. So I see shrimp, and I'm like, all right,

shrimp bot, you know? Throw another shrimp bot

on the barbie. Exactly. Throw another shrimp

on the rampage's tank treads. Yeah, so. Mm, boiled

shrimp. Roadkill shrimp. Roadkill surprise underwater.

Now, what did you think about the introduction

of the Covenant of Primus? Aside from it being

a sound wave in a box. Yeah aside from that I

I thought it was strange again, you know that

Primal is getting all preachy and it's like This

is really our first foray into Transformers religion

We've never gone here before they talk about

Primus in a reverently right but they don't so

much say Primus is our God but here they clearly

have a Bible in their hands and they're preaching

and it sounds very you know as if the the words

the sentence structure is very ancient like it

was written a very long time ago so it's clearly

meant to be you know the Transformers Old Testament

and You know, the more they read into it, the

more they're like, wow, this is talking about

us right now. This is a, this isn't just words.

This is a, uh, uh, what do they call that? A

revelation. Yeah. So I don't know. I, I, I'm

not, uh, how should I put it? I'm not entirely

sure if there was a place for that And then it

gets really deep in the next episode where you've

got Megatron who also has memorized the other

version Or the other copy but the good parts

to him only the good parts right only the parts

that have him winning And him winning in a sense

that you know the there's a character in the

book named Megatron that he You know took his

name from Now, I don't know if anybody noticed

this, in the episode, and now I didn't catch

this, so I don't know if it's true, although

it does sound vaguely familiar, like I may have

noticed this, they said something about, for

animation error, that when Primal's reciting

the Covenant of Primus, Cheetor is in his normal,

transmittal form. I didn't notice that mmm. I'd

have to go back and look And again, do you think

they'd notice you know, it's like how many weeks

are you spending on this? I think they do it

on purpose Honestly to see people are paying

attention. Oh Yeah, that's kind of it. It's more

of a like, you know kind of like all the little

hidden writings that are in Cybertronian text

Yeah, kind of kind of like The CR chamber Right,

all right This this series marks while this episode

marks the first actual maximal killing a Predacon

Right Well, they're very reluctant to kill anybody

It also showed depth charge actually hesitating

when he had the moment. Yeah. Yeah Which, you

know, you would have thought he would have just

stabbed blindly, but no, he kind of stopped to

think about it for a second, like, uh, what?

Yeah, it's like, wait a minute, you're letting

me kill you? Fuck yeah, I'll kill you, sure,

why not? He's like, sounds great. But yeah, they're

very reluctant to actually, you know, kill anybody

in battle, uh, up until these last couple of

episodes, in which case everybody dies. It's

almost like, uh, you know, the first episode

of season two all over again. where, you know,

it's like, oh, miscellaneous characters? Yeah,

there's a lot of it for you. Have fun. Oh, not

even that. I mean, you know, I mean, obviously

we're going to be continuing into, you know,

Beast Machines, but I mean, you know, if you

look at, you know, the whole of Beast Wars, these,

this two parter, and then what happens in Beast

Machines? I mean, Megatron, Genis, I mean, Planetside,

Planetwide Geniside. Essentially. Yeah, well,

yeah, they don't really... get into that until

later on but but yeah it's uh as far as you know

one maximal and one predicon and i'm going to

kill you now yeah it doesn't happen a whole lot

yep what else you got michael uh just that you

know here at the end uh well close to the end

of the penultimate chapter right uh we see how

far the animation has come Oh, yeah. Yeah, I

mean they have the opening scenes which are gorgeous

The sky and the landscapes. I mean they're they've

really come a long way even since the beginning

of season 3 It's like wow, they they're just

continuously improving You've got the lighting

and tarantulas is underground lair the water

effects It's extremely hard to animate or CGI

water, and they did that underwater battle very

well, and they did the effects on Nemesis coming

out of the water very well. Right, it's almost

like a waterfall coming off the ship. Yeah. And

it was just really well done. Yeah. I was just

really, really enjoying watching this. And I

don't have HD. Let's say like Blu -ray versions

of the DVDs. I don't think anybody does. But

you can watch the Beast Wars episodes in HD in

720p on YouTube. And since I've been watching

them in high def on YouTube, it's like, wow,

this is really gorgeous. They're just really,

really beautiful episodes. And I can watch them

full screen. And I get a pretty good sized monitor.

uh... in in high -def and that's amazing just

so well done what do you think anything else

michael no what about you steve what do you got

for nemesis part one well um... i've got uh...

the covenant of primus on the nemesis has an

autobot symbol on it Yeah, that's kind of weird.

The one in the Ark has the Autobot symbol. You

would think the one on the Nemesis has the Decepticon

symbol. Probably because the Decepticons only

want to know the good part. I want to know why

there's... Why are there only two? Does every

ship have one? Well, I don't know. You would

think that, I mean, if this is like the Transformers

Bible, that there would be one in every room,

on every hotel in Cybertron. So I was talking

about hotels Hotel motel hotel. I don't know

They have bars. Why wouldn't they have hotels?

Yeah, they have two bars That's right. Well,

I was actually referring to like old McAdams

oil house or ale house or whatever The McAdams

Pub is one of those fictional places that they

talk about all the damn time. Well, I want to

say in Transformers fan fiction at least, I'm

not sure how many times it's shown up. I think

it showed up once in G1 or something in Season

3. Forget but but you know they have bars and

they have bars where the the fembots don't wear

their chassis The torso plates yeah So yeah,

you know they have that type of thing why not

have a hotel and in my experience I've you know

been in a lot of hotels When you open the nightstand

you've got a phone book and a Bible right there

And the fact that, you know, I mean, again, every

time they need to read something, they've got

a holographic display or a monitor or something,

you know, occasionally you'll see Primal with

a book. And it's like, is this the book he's

reading all the time? Well, it's like, here,

I got a copy of War and Peace here. I've been

reading it for fucking ever. Oh, how about I

read Covenant of Primus instead? No, this was

found in the ship, though. How many books does

he have? Well, the arc is where he got it. The

axalan went to the depths of the sea, so he can't

go down there. Oh, OK. It's not like he's going

to be like, oh, depth charge, could you give

me another book? Oh, wait, you're dead. You're

dead. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's like,

why doesn't he have his own copy? I mean, again,

it's the Transformers Bible. Why would the last

two copies on Earth have... Well, yeah, literally,

the last two copies are on Earth because they

went down with the Ark and the Nemesis. They

don't have more copies? I mean, it's an audio

cassette. You know, you could dub the tape, right?

I used to do it with, like, George Michael's

when I was 15. So, you know, you can do that.

Wow, that's really dating yourself. Holy shit.

I never thought we would ever have a George Michael's

reference in any of our podcasts. Holy crap.

You know what's funny too is I have vivid memories

of listening to the radio on my boombox and putting

my little blank tape in there hitting record

when George Michael's kicked on because I wanted

to learn all the words to I want your sex. I

still remember most of them too. Oh boy. Yeah.

Okay, so to digress here, back to Nemesis Part

1. Get off the George Michael's bandwagon. Steve,

what else you got? I think I have like five more

things I want to mention that are of actual importance.

Last time Waspinator gets blown up is this episode.

Just before he becomes the king! Restimator.

Yes. The king wasp. But, uh, Transmetal 2 Megatron,

his beast mode head, uh, functions much like

his T -Rex head did, in the sense of paying attention

to what he wants, petting it, and watching TV.

You stole my note from part two, you asshole.

Well, it was in part one. Did it happen in part

one? No, it happened in part two. I thought I

noticed it in part two, and I was like... That

was my first note for part two. Now Megatron

is rubbing his dragon head. That sounds so wrong.

Wait, wait! Now Megatron is rubbing his dragon

head. So he repeats it. Yeah, exactly. It's nice

and shiny. I have to buff it. He's sitting in

a parking and you really need her. When Rantrap

holds it up, it says, uh... For the 7613 data

track or whatever that Primal's supposedly reading,

it actually in the Cybertronics text says we're

cast out with him a cork, one fork, and a bowl

of beans between them. I still want to know who

the hell is pausing this to read it. That's crazy.

I don't know, but every time I check it out,

it lies to be true. That's funny. Which is hilarious

that somebody's noticing that I still find the

CR chamber one with depth charge and it was hilarious.

Yeah, it's F F you you you you you but um Uh,

yes, and as for uh some more, uh when megatron

refers to tarantulas as unicron spawn uh it You

could kind of see it as a you know, son of a

bitch moment, but The it actually was cemented

which is probably where I got it from originally

was the primeval dawn convention exclusive comic

uh... where they actually state he is a spawn

of Unicron. Well that was written by uh... Furman?

Yes. Yes, you know Furman once tied everything

back to Unicron. That's because he likes Unicron.

Yeah, he likes Unicron, he likes Grimlock, and

he likes killing everybody. You know which again

I see a lot of Simon Furman influence here in

and nemesis part two Yes, everybody the whole

thing up well when we get to high to Simon Furman

actually wrote part two Well, he collaborated

with the entire nemesis to partner which was

originally supposed to be a three parter. Yeah

Well again, you have everybody dying. It's like

alright. Well all of the Predacons except for

Well except for waspinator and Megatron die and

then you know, Tiger Hawk dies and It's depth

charge dies and depth charge dies So I mean you're

just killing everybody left and right and to

me whenever I see a bunch of transformers dying

I suspect Simon Furman It's like who let Simon

Furman in everyone's dying all of a sudden Yeah,

but it says originally they'd had bigger grander

plans for a season four which didn't come I heard

rumors of them bringing back the Physical jets

like the cyber jets. Oh The seekers I mean and

their secret brothers that the Coneheads And

heavy Megatron actually makes Starscream as his

little bitch which I'd heard many, many rumors

of these. Yeah. Kind of like how they did Starscream

and animated with the little crystal shard. Right.

Right. Going to do something similar with the

G1 robots and of course have to wake up the Autobots

and the Septicons. Hmm. Which would have been

pure hell. Yeah, I'm not sure how. Well, I see

how they would animate that, but I'm not sure

how they would tie that in. with uh... existing

can well that's where it would create a time

storm new timeline are they screwed yeah said

he will do that but uh... those primal echoes

optus primes throughout the two -part of no matter

the cost oh yeah right up here it's really not

ones from part two of them it's not killing my

lines you asset He said it to depth charge. He

does say it. He does say it. Yeah, but that's

not where I noticed it. So I understand he did

say it to depth charge, but that's not the inflection.

I mean, yes, that's what Optimus said. Well,

he said it at any cost. I mean, he just said

something similar to that. He said something

very similar. Right, but later in part two is

where I noticed it more as Optimus Prime. Right,

yeah. No, he says a lot of things like Optimus

Prime. And again, at this point, since Primal

is basically transformed into an optimal Optimus,

I see him as more of an Autobot rather than a

Maximal. Well, he acts more Autobot. Well, he

says things that Optimus Prime would say, almost

the same way that he says them. And the fact

that he can sit in the... in the arc pilots chair

whatever and fit there you know it looks like

he's supposed to be there as opposed to everyone

else who looks like you know little kids sitting

next to a grown -up table you have anything else

you want to bring up steve or can we move into

part two now we move into part two okay so finally

to end beast wars saga of beast unleashed podcast

we have nemesis part two The original air date

was May 7, 1999. It was written by Simon Furman.

Time is running out for the Maximals as Megatron

draws to a close the epic three -year saga of

the Beast Wars. With the working Decepticon warship

at his command, the Predacon leader is ready

to return to Cybertron on a mission of conquest,

leaving the Maximals stranded on prehistoric

Earth. Already here so first note was as I have

said Say it three times already cuz Steve already

stole it now Megatron is rubbing his dragon head

Still doesn't sound right You know how many pieces

of waspinator I got And I've kind of mentioned

this already Dinobot TM tube is becoming more

like the old Dinobot and actually when Michael

and I talked with Christy Marx About dark glass

and she revealed some are a little bit more I

mean we kind of know the basic plot line of it,

but she kind of confirmed it of you know rat

-trap trying to restore Dinobot they did take

that from dark glass and they put it into this

when Rampage got killed and then TM2 DinoBot

is becoming, it's pretty much restoring the old

DinoBot's personality for some strange reason.

Right. Well, it looks to me like DinoBot's coming

full circle and that, you know, he's like, oh,

I have honor and, you know, he never had honor

before and he had never actually come in contact

with the original So it makes no sense why he

would suddenly inherit Dinobot's sense of honor

unless you factor in the occurrences in Darkglass.

Darkglass kind of fills in the blank spaces in

that the Rattrap had tried to put the old Dinobots...

memories or his programming, let's say, tried

to force feed that into the DinoBot clone, but

it didn't surface. Now that Rampage's spark is

destroyed, now the original DinoBot programming

begins to come to the fore. That makes sense.

It explains what happened. been some nice foreshadowing

from earlier on. And this series is all about,

oh, what happened here is going to really bring

up ramifications two or three episodes down the

road. I seriously think that Darkglass would

have been a much better episode to put in there

rather than go with the flow. Yes, but we know

why it didn't happen. But anyways. I thought

that Tiger Hawk's stance of, you know, I'm gonna

make a stand here type of thing, and his little

weathering powers, I thought that was extremely

awesome. Especially when he fires on the dark

side, or not the dark side, Jesus Christ, the

dark side's gone. When he fires on Nemesis and

Nemesis fires back, it's just like that old Ruby

Spears Superman cartoon when Superman's like

knocking the... the comet back. Unfortunately

in this, Tigerhawk doesn't win. No, no. Um. Well

I thought, and again, with uh, I don't know if

you recorded it while we were talking about Aiden

and his favorite X -Man. No I didn't. Oh yeah,

Aiden loves Storm. And when I was watching this

I was like, ha! It's like Storm! Cause he's like...

You know causing tornadoes and yeah weather related

effects like lightning and stuff to attack nemesis

And I was like it's like a transformer storm

I actually noticed a I noticed them every now

and then Throughout Beach Wars, but I mean Steve

usually catches them from the wiki, but I noticed

an animation error In one scene where Megatron

is firing on Tiger Hawk, Dinobots shown, but

his face is mirrored. The laser light eye is

switched. Yeah, I noticed that a couple times

in that episode that it happened. Well, that

was this episode. I know that. Yeah, I actually

noticed that too and I for some reason just thought

that was how it was supposed to be. Like I said,

I was like focusing and unfocusing and I'm thinking

isn't that on the wrong side of his head? Yeah,

that doesn't make any sense We so need to get

Jim Burns to interview for this show because

there goes Inferno he burns and quick strike

too Well, you know now that we're killing everyone

I was surprised that Inferno and quick strike

stay dead this one and my first thought was like

are they really dead you know that's kind of

insane but you know later on you've got the proto

humans playing drums on inferno's head yeah and

his head's not talking or anything you know it's

like waspinators head falls off and he can stick

his tongue out and pull himself around with it

which is kind of weird and funky and gross at

the same time But, you know, you knock Inferno's

head off completely a couple of times. And he

still came back to life. So, I don't know. I'm

not entirely sure that those two are actually

dead, except for the fact that they're killing

everybody else off. It's like I said. I've said

this before. You don't kill off the comedy relief.

Well, he didn't kill Waspinator. Exactly. And

even though Steve stole it earlier, this was

the point where I thought this was most like

G1 Optimus. This has to stop at any cost. And

just the way Gary said the line as Primal, I

thought it was very much like the way Cullen

said it in TFTM. No matter the cost. Yep. Alright,

next note here. Hey, you emasculating fembot!

What the hell did she pull off of him was it

his tail it was his tail And then snips off the

end You know this the little little Barbie has

at the end of his tail sniffs it right off and

it would like scissors or some shit and I was

You know, I mean it's like it like he tore his

dick off and she's got it in her hand and it

cuts off the head and And you know, that's what

Silver Bolts thinking because the look on his

face. It's like, oh Well, you know, he's crossing

his legs at this point like So Blackar acne is

Lorraine above it is like Lorraine. Yeah, it's

gonna chop it off and throw it out the window

I don't know what she did with it with the head,

but she took the rest of it and you know, jammed

it into a power conduit until it melted. I mean,

that's just cold. I need Steve to do a line as

Megatron. The line about, oh, come on, let's

have it. Oh, I love this. That's actually in

the quotes. I know. Say it, dammit. Oh, come

on, let's have it. The usual destiny and honor

speech. Speech this. I just, I see, and I know

it kind of reverts once we get to Beast Machines

because, and we'll get to that once we get there,

but I just love seeing how badass Optimus is

now in this. I mean, he's not, I mean, this is,

and it said it in the episode synopsis, this

is it. this is the final stance so it's like

the there is no more talking this is in the stores

season one where they meet on on on a snowy hill

and try to discuss stuff this is the final stance

this is full of back into the teeth out he's

like you've given me hell and i can't take it

anymore i was like i have this giant autobot

body and which basically allows me to beat the

shit out of you so i'm going through now Just

got three more notes and then we can I guess

we'll go to Steve after me Knock knock anyone

home. I got this here ship for you I'm gonna

need little context there. Oh Rhinox drives the

ship through the nemesis. Oh Well, no, I thought

you were referring to when the nemesis shows

up and starts eating the top of the Mount St.

Hilary. No, no, no, no, no. The Beast Wars are

over. Waspinator, happy at last. Waspinator gets

the last word. Waspinator gets the last laugh.

Well, I don't know, I think ultimately Megatron's

gonna get the last laugh. Well, as far as Beast

Wars goes... Yeah, as far as Beast Wars goes,

Waspinator... If Beast Machines never happened,

Waspinator got the last laugh. Well, you know,

we've talked before about, you know, what happens

if the Beast Wars never ended, and you end up

with, you know, these Transformers on Earth for

four million years, waiting for the G1 Transformers

to wake up. You know, basically that's what you

have here with Waspinator. He's the last one,

aside from, you know, Quickstrike's skull, and

Inferno's skull, for that matter. uh... you know

assuming they're really dead you basically just

got washed their left right that you know he's

going to hang out for four million years and

explain that these machines well yeah they do

which it's no i don't think they explain it i

think they fuck it up but you know that you but

i would have been much happier thinking that

was for later lived happily ever after on earth

for the rest of Well, yeah, until he, you know,

died a nice old death or whatever. But, you know,

instead they, you know, insist on, you know,

hand shooting first. See, I thought the Thrustinator

stuff was kind of cool. So, but anyway, we'll

definitely get to that once we get to episode

21, so. Well, yeah, I suppose, but it wasn't

until like the very, very end and it's like,

oh, wait a minute, why does he have all... Waspinators

head that makes no sense. He wasn't waspinator.

He was You know somebody else, but it just it

just bothered me. I didn't like it I was much

happier thinking that waspinator was happy on

earth Maybe not you know still alive in the 20th

century But you know at least happy while he

was alive once you go back and watch it once

we get to beast machines Maybe you'll Maybe you'll

come around so Steve what do you pass? gets kind

of even more ballsy and starts punching the door

to the Ark as he discovers Tiger Hawk has been

destroyed and he starts throwing a tantrum and

then Rattrap's like, uh, did you knock? I love

that. I like where Primal rips off his arm piece

to get into the nemesis and finally gets in there.

Yeah, that's what I was going to talk about because

there was a point in our discussion where I muted

myself and I went over to my shelf and I have

Optimal Optimus now here. And of course, for

some strange reason, the upper arm pieces of

the gray pieces, they're actually sitting over

on the shelf because I couldn't get them to stay

on the actual toy. Oh no, that wasn't an armor

piece. That was the weighing piece that fits

on the shoulder. I'm saying it's the same color

as the armor piece that's on his arm. Okay, yeah.

I know what you're saying. Those are over on

the shelf, but yeah, I had to go over to grab

Optimal Optimus so I could actually have him

here because we have to talk about him in the

outro. So yeah, that was a very cool scene. I

really enjoyed that. I like the giant spinning

teeth. It's like, ooh, fuck. It's like, I have

this giant warship. What can I put on the bottom

of it that would be really scary? You know what

it reminded me of? You guys have seen Tomorrow

Never Dies, right? No. Maybe not. Never mind.

Tomorrow Never Dies is a James Bond film with

Pierce Brosnan. They have a weapon in their...

That's a drill that has all these weird blades

and that's what the blades under the nemesis

remind me of but Anyways, yeah, what else you

got Steve? Don't laugh at me. Yeah, don't laugh.

At least he's not using Don't laugh cuz at least

he's not using the alrighty then thing. Well,

you've already done that once today. Yeah, I

know Whatever. It's Steve's fault, dammit. I

think I'm the only one that doesn't do that.

Already then, that's gonna... They're like, when

Rattrap says, no power, no weapons, we're all

gonna die, and the Rhinox is like, yep. Like,

they don't even argue with him, they're like,

yep. Well, it's funny, because every time he

says it, it's kind of in jest, and everyone's

like, shut up, Rattrap, you know? And this time,

he just totally means it. You know, there's no

irony in it, it's just flat deadpan. Now we're

really gonna die. And Rhinox is like, yeah okay

fine. I'll give it to you this time because we're

probably all gonna die. I like where Primal goes

head first against Megatron while Megatron's

carrying the Covenant of Primus and he just uses

his dragon head to bite Primal in the head. And

that was like funny. Another one of the quotes

is where DinoBot 2 argues with Megatron. He says

destroy them and DinoBot's like negative. What?

What possible reason could you have to disobey

me? You know and then he's like I'm your master

your creator and then DinoBot's like and I had

my honor asshole. You dare use the H word with

me And then he throws him next to primal. He

says stand aside traitor and then you know done

Rhinox rams through Yep, which was epic. That

was fairly cool went right through the whole

ship. Yep And this part with the ship will come

back next season What? Yes with Beast Machines

What does really no explain? I noticed that dino

bike goes down with the ship Which I thought

was as far as the shuttle Okay, yeah You mean

that yeah episode black arachnia finds the shuttle

that they crash lands on site. Yeah. Yeah, okay

Yeah, I remember now never mind. Oh that about

wasn't in the shuttle that about was on the ship

Yeah, and optimal optimus said you know save

yourself, and he's like no You know and he just

went down I'm thinking you know four million

years from now when Megatron goes back to the

nemesis He's gonna find a dead dino bot lying

there You know which I thought was kind of strange,

but you know or you know for all we know Dino

bot swam out of there and ended up fighting with

waspinator for another four million years did

the nemesis explode No, it just crashed back

where it was supposed to be in the G1 where they

found it. It should have gone back in the ocean.

It was kind of like a really cheesy 80s crash,

where a helicopter flies behind a building and

then you see the explosion. Where it's like,

I didn't actually see the helicopter explode.

I don't know what exploded. Whereas here, the

Nemesis kind of goes behind these hills. And

you and you don't really see anything I expected

to see like a big splash Or at least see it hit

the water Well, you know like the Titanic yeah

when they show well in g1 when they show the

nemesis underwater It's in pieces. Yep And it

would have been epic to see, you know The the

nemesis kind of float a little bit flounder hit

hit the water crack in half and sink Yeah Yeah,

um This this is also the first time the nemesis

is named by name is this two -parter, right?

That yeah, which is weird They state beast machines

well black ragnia does that they were aware they

stranded waspinator there Mm -hmm, which why

would they leave them? Other than that they thought,

you know Like they said he's dead or they just

didn't care. They figured they'd send a cleanup

crew afterwards. I figured everyone was just

dead, you know. Yeah. So leave them all behind.

But yeah, it would make sense that a cleanup

crew would show up because there's just so many

Cybertronian artifacts lying around. You know,

most of them waspinator body parts. Did you notice

Furman stole some cramp from the Transformer

the movie? As far as quotes, like more quotes.

Well, optimal optimus just does nothing but quote

G1 prime. No, but he says, in the Darkest Hour,

there will be a light. Yeah. So I mean, yeah,

they just kept copying, which was kind of strange.

Well, I don't think it was copying. I mean, the

whole, well, ever since Agenda. And, oh well,

I mean, I guess you could go to Possession, but...

I mean, ever since Agenda, up till now, they've

had various G1 references. Actually since the

web. Okay, well, whatever. You know what I mean?

Fool. I hate that episode. Thank God I never

watch that fucking episode ever again! Truly.

You're just selling spiders. No. Anyways, um,

you got anything else, Steve? Uh, nope. That's

it. What about you, Michael? Well, uh, my favorite

pulp fiction reference. And that was when Megatron's

reading from his copy of the Covenant of Primus

and he says, uh, and you will know my name is

Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you. That's

what that was, okay. Yeah, I've talked to you

before. I've told you before ever since we started

podcasting together. I've told you on if you're

just gonna send me a link with nothing else I

need friggin context. I'm like What the hell

is this crap from pulp pulp fiction that he's

sending me? I sent you context later because

you were like what the hell? I know that was

what it was but it's Ezekiel 25 17. Yeah, and

What does Megatron look like? Does he look like

a bitch? But of course. Kind of like a bitch.

Like a big dragon bitch, kind of. I don't know

if you have any other notes, Michael, but before

I forget about this, I have to bring this up.

Steve, you're incorrect. About what? They never

returned G1 Megatron's spark. Yes, they did.

No, they didn't. I watched the episode they never

went when Megatron was near the arc he never

went back to where where G1 Megatron was the

spark chamber never opened it never murder it

never went back into Megatron's chest visually

in the episode Have you ever watched the deleted

clip? No Here allow me to enlighten you It's

a deleted clip that started out on BWTF. It's

on the final disc of Beast Wars. It's like literally

20 seconds to take Primal's saying of where he

says everything is as it should be at last, and

it shows in a rough animation sketch Primal shoving

Megatron's spark back into the classic Megatron.

Oh, I think I saw that, yeah. Yeah, I did see

that before um Yeah Yeah, so I mean that that

in itself that that explains it although I would

have liked to have seen that better animation

I'm trying to bring up the picture here that

you sent. I'm having trouble highlighting it

in Skype Well, it doesn't have a clickable link

it does but for some reason I won't open when

I click on it well here's the actual wiki page,

but Yeah, here we go. Oh, there it is. Oh, yeah,

see, there's a picture. Yeah, but it didn't actually

happen in the cartoon episode, so it doesn't

really count. If they had left it... Actually,

it does. You can't do any whys. Yes, it does,

because it was on the disc. If it wasn't on the

disc, then I could say no. No, doesn't count.

Asshat. Well, I mean, it's funny... Don't say

asshat, you asshat. It doesn't count because

it wasn't in the episode. It was supposed to

be. It just got cut for time. Well... I mean,

as far as I'm concerned, like, Dark Glass is

canon. Basically because it explains what's going

on in Nemesis 2. It was never actually filmed,

it was never actually accepted after it was written,

but the fact that it exists and the people know

about it, and that it explains what happened

here with Dinobot, I mean to me, I think that's

good enough for me, that's canon. And if you

get a screenshot here of G1 Megatron and a couple...

You know people hanging out next to him that

that that's fine. I mean you gotta think it has

to happen. They're not gonna let You know the

Megatron the Predacon go back to Cybertron with

You know Megatron or G1 Megatron spark in his

chest, it's not gonna happen. Yeah but And I

understand that it's okay fine, I'll admit it's

in canon, but as far as it actually being in

the show in a plotline of the show, it was never

actually shown in the cartoon. So we are led

to believe that at the end, when they fly away

with Megatron scotch tape to the ship, that,

you know, he still has G1 Megatron's spark in

his body. That's just the way that we are led,

that's the way I was led to believe it. Regardless

of the image from the deleted scene fine. I can

accept that image. That's not a problem But as

far as the actual episode the way I'm thinking

is he still has d1 Megatron spark in him I Wonder

what the deleted that scene time Steve said it

was for time probably It looks like they wanted

to go with an alternative scene as well They

reuse the audio for the same clip for another

clip I mean they could have tied it in as just

you know an overdub you know with Primal as they

fly away saying now that we've restored Megatron's

spark to his rightful place you know we can go

back to Cybertron or something yeah but they

didn't say that well it could have been as simple

as that I know but they didn't say that what

else you got Michael I liked how DinoBot 2, the

DinoBot clone, started to sound a lot like the

old DinoBot once his spark was restored. Once

Rampage died, the new DinoBot stopped sounding

like DinoBot with his mouth full of marbles and

started sounding more like DinoBot. where he

starts saying, you know, nobility and, oh, it's

a very noble and, you know, and, you know, not

very honor -ly or sporting. Honor -ly? Honor

-ly, exactly. Oh, like how you put Lee on the

end of things. Honor -ly, exactly. I offered

my honor. She honored my offer and all night

long it was honor and offer. Honored my offer?

What the hell? Oh, Jesus. I just got that. Oh,

God. That's horrible. Never heard that before?

No, but it's funny. It's funny, yeah. That's

awful. That's right. She honored my offer. I

thought it was funny. You've got, you know, super

-powered Tiger Hawk Storm floating around, just

basically single -handedly taking out the Nemesis

until Megatron brings the main cannons online.

And, you know, all I gotta do is push this button,

right? And he... He pushes it and Tiger Hawk

meets him force for force. And yeah, it's very

Dragon Ball where they're grunting back and forth.

And Megatron, I'm not sure exactly. Maybe this

works like an elevator where the harder you push

the button, the faster the elevator comes. Because

Megatron is just leaning on that button. He's

like... Like the harder you press it harder,

it'll work faster and destroy more. Exactly.

It's like the harder I push this button, the

faster Tiger Hawk dies. So I'm just going to

press that all out of this button. Yes. Yeah,

but it was too bad. I mean, Tiger Hawk lasted

about two episodes. Three, maybe, and then he

died, which, you know, and his death wasn't even

as epic as, you know, let's say death charge,

who only had six or seven episodes. Seven. Seven.

Yeah. Yeah, so not as, uh, not as epic. I mean,

I think anytime somebody dies, uh, yeah, I think

anytime someone dies, you know, referring back

to like Rhinox, where he says, you know, when

a, when a spark is born, the universe rejoices.

And when a spark dies or passes away, then the

universe weeps. And it's like, you know, I want

the universe to weep when one of these guys dies.

I want it to be that. Well, the problem with

that is, especially in depth charges case, is

that Well, it's not really the fact of Furman

writing it. It's the fact of you really don't

have time to mourn depth charges. I mean, you

know, there's like a half a second where were

primals on the radio saying that you know but

you know all the paid the ultimate price for

for for saving us and is like a moment like a

half split second of silence but there really

is no time because they have to get their asses

in gear and go kick megatron's button go back

to cybertron okay let's say maybe morning is

a bad term but his death should be so epic that

that i you know i will never again forget that

he died. Like, Dinobot, you know, in - That was

epic. The code of the hero, the - It's code of

hero. The code, the, of the - No, it's code of

hero, you asshat. He's going to piss you off.

I know. So, uh, he, uh - Dinobot dies and it's

epic and you know, it's memorable and second

death was even epic you traded He went back to

normal and then he says good luck optimus primal

as he sits there and watches himself get blown

away Yeah, no, it was very cool Yeah, even him

going down with the ship. You'd actually see

him die But I don't know, you know for all I

know he didn't die. He got away, but you know

still It was very neat. He regained that piece

that was lost to him and he still went out on

his own terms. Death Charge dies and there's

a scene where we don't even know what the hell

he was thinking or what Rampage was thinking

or what was going on, but it made us think. And

it was very cool. And then they had the whole

part where not only do you see the explosion,

but then you see the parts of Rampage and Death

Charge floating, and then they sink. And his

wing, his beaten battered wing kind of sinks

to the bottom of the ocean and lands on the ocean

floor. I thought that was poignant. I thought

not only did he have an awesome death scene,

but they... They wrapped him up and put him to

bed nicely. Now, Tiger Hawk, he's fighting, he's

trying to defeat an entire ship against overwhelming

odds, and then he just kind of dies. I just don't

feel that it was as epic as it should have been.

Tiger Hawk was quick and boom, gone. That's basically

it, you know, it's like oh you see that beam

coming closer and closer and closer and it's

like he's gonna die and You know, he he looks

like he's in pain, you know, but there was really

no damage model. He didn't explode He didn't

have like a trance this moment where it's like,

you know Yeah, it's funny. I think the reason

why you never mentioned it, but there was no

damage model for Tarantulas, so you really can't

talk about it. Well, not since he hit Transmetal.

He just disintegrated. Yeah. I mean, he blew

up good. Yeah, he went boom really well. Yeah,

and you just didn't see that with, you know,

Tiger Hawk. And I think that, you know, honestly,

the butterfly that got blown up in Nemesis 1,

Part one was was better than tiger Hawks death

scene So it's like what the hell if I really

think he got a bum rap when they killed him Yeah

I bet yeah Do we have anything else on nemesis

part two? No other than this is my favorite episode

of the season I see in some ways well Most ways

In most ways. I love this two -parter but it's

not my only favorite of season three. So I guess

we're gonna go to some quotes and then the Covenant

of Primus and then we'll be back with the outro.

We'll return to the Beast Unleashed podcast after

this. Hey, this is Cheetor and you're listening

to the Beast Unleashed podcast. Ultra gear. Here's

quote number one. I hate hiding from them Maxis!

Can't I just shoot one? No! We are at the moment

at a tactical disadvantage. And whose fault is

that? You led us to defeat! I suspect that tarantulas

may have left a legacy I can yet utilize. Against

Tigerhawk? The royalty will triumph! All we need

is a new colony! And I shall find it! Antbot

not find on thorax with both hands and a road

map. Here's quote number two. This is depth charge.

Productivity spotted in grid skyline. Confirmed.

Strike team ready to deploy. Fall back until

their arrival. Blowing out your exhaust port

optimal. Exis down there. I'm going in. Depth

charge! Depth charge! Fall back! Hit it bots!

The moment is now. Transform and finish it. Here's

quote number three. There! That will be our new

colony! Ew! I don't want to move in there! It

got all them hairy critters in it! Unless...unless

you mean we's gonna slag them! Oh, oh, please

tell me that's what you're planning! The royalty

demands a new colony and we shall take it by

force! sick of being evil, sick of being Predacon,

and Waspinator especially sick of getting blown

to scrap all the time! So, Waspinator quit! As

of now, which means Antbot and Two -Heads can

just pucker their mandibles and plant big, wet,

juicy one right here on Waspinator! Number four.

I was your assignment and you failed. Brah, Energon.

Right through your twisted spark. Take it. Take

it straight to the pit, you sickening piece of

slang. So here, in addition to the quotes, we

have a complete listing of the Covenant of Primus

from Nemesis Part 1 and Part 2. So here it is.

the seven spiral galaxies are you jabbering about?

the covenant of primus data track 7 .613 only

two exist one was aboard the ark and as it were

a great mountain raging with fire arose from

the sea i am alpha and omega the beginning and

the end That which is, which was, and is yet

to come! And you will know my name is Megatron

when I lay my vengeance upon you! And the stone

of their protection shall rise upward forever

and ever, as they who live and war as beasts

confront their final cycle! The hero who said,

had not the earth, nor the sea, nor the breeze,

nor the very fabric of time. But the hero would

not fail. Finish the quote, Megatron. Nor would

he surrender. I am Alpha and Omega, Optimal Optimus.

Now and forever until the end of time In the

spark of an enemy there will be salvation and

in the darkest hour There will be a light. Yeah

from a very unexpected source old shopper faces

clone Who would have thought? And let us never

forget those other brave bots who sacrificed

safeguarded past, present and future. You know

what the best thing is? We don't have to see

Megabots ugly mug again till we get back to Cybertron!

So the beast wars are over and really quick before

we close the show I have to send a huge that

I've thanked him already But I have to send a

huge thank you to wing eight hundred of the product

on Empire comm slash nexus forums Because unlike

some people from Thailand, Indiana I now have

a completed Optimal optimus. I have two missiles,

which I will never fire ever again, and I have

an orange gun so No, I'm not shooting the missiles

whatsoever And I have to say one of the reasons

why I'm saying this now and I will probably bring

this up once we do our Beast Era toys episode

I noticed in Nemesis how Optimal Optimus I don't

know much about the other Beast Wars toys because

I don't have a lot of them actually I don't have

any of them other than optimal optimus uh...

he is the and these doors isn't about screen

accuracy but optimal optimus is a very screen

accurate except for the tiny head okay well and

i think that is i mean as far as the overall

design aesthetic to the toy compared to the animation

model outside of the tiny head it's pretty much

extremely screen screen accurate more so than

the rest of us Yeah, and Michael Wilson fell

asleep. Oh, I'm right awake here. Oh, so that

means you want to do a Toycast episode, right?

Well, no, I don't want to do it right now. I

mean, I have no problem doing Toycast. I like

Toycast. I like the new intro. Yeah, we shouldn't

be talking about that on Beast Unleashed, but...

Yeah, that's something I forgot to bring up,

but anyways. So, I guess I'm just gonna go straight

into the outro. Thank you for joining us here

on the Beast on Leash podcast. There's always

getting in contact with us, a lead feedback for

the show, and I'm losing my voice. Visit the

website, geekcastradio .com. You can comment

on each episode post. Please do this. We are

starting to get a little bit more comments, but

we would like more people to comment, and no,

Kevin, host comments do not count. Join the forum,

spreadacommpire .com slash nexus. Leave the show's

feedback in iTunes. I'm going to have to check

this for the next episode. I have not checked

this lately. Follow us on Twitter. The show name

there is Beast Unleashed, mine is TFG1Mike. Michael,

what is your Twitter? PconCTMichael. And Steve?

SCP21. Alright. Call the voicemail line, tell

us to show you leaving a message for and your

name, 502 -526 -5821. We hope you enjoyed this

episode of the Beast Unleashed podcast. Join

us next time when we will be recapping Beast

Wars Season 3. For now, I am TFG1 Mike with Steve

Megatron Phillips and Michael Wilson and Megatron

closed the show. Boil a mashem, stick him in

his stew. The Beast Wars are over. Who lives

in a colony under the sea? Dep Charge Fishpants!

Who wants to kill Rampage for you and for me?

Dep Charge Fishpants! Whose mattery goodness

is misunderstood? Dep Charge Fishpants! Who sounds

like Batman and Clint Eastwood? Dep Charge Fishpants!

Ready? Dep Charge Fishpants! Dep Charge Fishpants!

Dep Charge Fishpants! Excellent! Yes!