March Badness 2015 Finals: Rocket Raccoon vs. Wonder Woman

Hey guys, this is Rob Paulson and you're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. You are now on

the inside of what I like to call the circle

of trust. We are all connected in a great circle

of life. You know something Bert? I think you

and I are going in circles. It feels like we're

going in circles. The Circle is now complete.

When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I

am the master. Because it's a circle. Yeah, we

heard about the circle. Yes, what a million would

change. Hi, this is Chuck. This is Greg. And

this is Dan, and we are Talking in Circle, brought

to you by the GeekCast Radio Network. The podcast

that's ready to break some brackets. Last week

we started the Badass tournament for 2015, and

this week we are finishing it. Yes, we're going

to the other side of the bracket for today, and

new competitors to go against last week's champion

of Rocket Raccoon. So if you haven't listened

to last week, definitely do that before you listen

to today, because you missed a great episode.

But before we get to the finals of the Badass

Bracket for 2015, how's the week been going for

you guys? My week was very, very strange. Mainly

because of what happened at work at my work.

I go in the one morning and I was like walking

towards the door and we have we have like a badge

we have to like swipe in the door. Kind of like

top secret facility. Not really though. It's

just to keep me out. I know. So I see this lady

walking up and I figured like, oh, she forgot

her badge because people do that a lot. So I

asked her and she's like, no, not exactly. She's

like something kind of happened inside the building.

And I'm like, oh, what happened? And she's like,

well, the whole inside of the building got flooded.

And I'm like, I'm like, what are you talking

about? Like, there's no streams or creeks around

here. I'm like, I don't know what you mean. She's

like, no, no, the the pipe at the one water fountain

burst in the middle of the night and just flooded

the entire floor. Crap. Yeah, so. You know, of

course I had to go in and check it out. I mean,

you got to go in, but get a little boat and be

like, I'm going fishing at work today. Yeah,

that'd be awesome. So I go in, there's a couple

of guys that I work with and everything, and

we're like all checking it out. And I mean, it

was contained to like a certain area, sort of

like near the fountain and stuff. But there was

like a couple of inches of water on the floor

and. We got a new carpet like a few months ago.

So like that's not ruined, but like they have

to like do a lot to like get that all cleaned

up and everything. But I guess what had happened

was there's cracks like in our floor, the rugs

hiding the ugly cracks. So what happened was

the water drained down these cracks into the

level beneath us. And there's all offices like

beneath us and stuff, too. So, you know, all

that drip down and there's like a drop ceiling

down there. And they all got soaking wet and

the whole like ceiling just collapsed. Oh, geez.

And they're like they're ceiling tiles like all

over the floor. It's just a huge mess. There's

puddles of water down there, like the whole length

of the hallway. It's like a hundred foot hallway.

It's just like all water looks like a giant slip

and slide. And like, you know, printers, some

printers got ruins, some computers and copiers

and stuff like water is just dripping straight

on top of them. Wow. And water sucks. Yeah. So

that really threw a wrench into our our plans

for the week. They're trying to get us set up

for some temporary workstations and stuff. But,

you know, we probably won't be able to get back

to our. our actual desks and workstations for

like another week or so probably. Oh, wow. That's

insane. Yeah. Very, very weird week. That's crazy.

Greg, how's your week been going? Yeah, there's

nothing really exciting going on in my life.

I slept before the podcast, so that may be why

I have sleepy voice or not as exciting talking.

right now or even speaking correctly so watch

out for that that'll be fun it'll be like a little

drinking game It will be a little drinking game

for decast radio. Yeah my week. Well my week

started off rough really rough On monday, I came

down with like an awful awful like stomach virus

and it was fun Yeah, I spent monday on the couch

like not being able to move It was not it was

not a good time, but it was it was weird. It

lasted for like Five hours and then I was like

perfectly. Okay, so You know, it was so sick.

I couldn't even like watch a movie I was just

like I was trying to watch something. I'm like,

I can't even, I just, I just slept the entire

time. Yeah. I just can't concentrate on stuff.

Yeah. I had Mike and Mike in the, in the background

and fell asleep, but then I woke up and skipped

Bayliss's on and I felt worse. It made you sick

again and you threw up. It did. Yeah. Yeah. And

that's when I was, the virus was over too, which

is cause Bayliss was talking. And then Stephen

A Smith come on and you just threw up again.

Oh, man. Yeah, those two together. That's that's

an adventure. That's thanks. Thank you. But yeah,

I'm better now and feeling good. Look, looking

forward to the weekend. So glad to hear it. Yeah.

I'm excited because this is pretty sad, but I'm

going to go to this. You guys went to it, the

Chaps pit beef place in Baltimore. It's kind

of famous. It was unlike diners. No man versus

food. And they have an infamous sandwich called

The Raven that I'm going to be getting, which

I'm really looking forward to. It has like every

meat ever, and it's like gigantic. It's a good

time. So I'll be talking about that maybe in

more detail next week when I actually eat it.

Giving you some preview of some food talk, because

we've had a lot of desire for more food talk,

I guess. I guess we have hungry listeners. It's

like the pregame show for football. It lasts

longer than the actual game. Exactly, exactly.

Just sit there and talk about the food for like

an hour. It takes you like five minutes to eat

it. I'm going to film it and I'm going to analyze

it and like my technique and all that good stuff.

You're going to draw on the smart board like

Madden? Exactly. Right here, right here is right

where Brett Favre ate it better than I did, but

you know. I didn't get a good chance to watch

much this week, but I know Chuck You did actually

watch a movie because you weren't sick like me

you were he did have a flooded office But what

were you able to get up to? Well, I was able

to hit up a movie. It's actually the end of last

week, but it counts as this week I can I can

pull that off. But um It's actually uh the new

Liam Neeson movie run all night. Oh, you went

to see that. Yeah. Yeah Also has Ed Harris in

it, who is really great. This is sort of a sort

of your more believable type of action movie

by Liam Neeson. He's not punching wolves or like,

you know. Yeah, it's got obviously it's like

a very feel to it and just something like take

is taken movies, but that's not a bad thing at

all. I love those movies. Don't get me wrong.

But you definitely go and expecting them to be

over the top and pretty like unrealistic. But,

you know, that's why we like action movies. This

one, though, has much more drama mixed into the

action and even the action pieces themselves

are a lot more realistic, in my opinion. And

this is sort of one of his, one of Liam Neeson's

attempts to play a more troubled type of character.

Someone with a lot of regrets in his life. It's

clear he's not even close to the stand -up guy

he is on the take -in movies. We've kind of seen

him try this before in movies like Unknown and

Nonstop, but I think he really, he really pulls

it off much better this time around. He's a bad

father, he's a drunk, he's a lousy friend. He's

pretty much a bum all the way around with nothing

left in his life. You're a bum rock. We needed

Mick in there. We needed him to clarify that.

But he pulled it off really well, I think. I

really enjoyed this sort of added dimension to

the movie, and I think it does nothing but enhance

the entire thing. However, the thing that really

drives the movie is his complicated relationship

with his longtime friend who is played by Ed

Harris. And I say complicated because that's

what it becomes as a result of something that

occurs in the movie and towards the beginning

of the movie and sort of this strange dynamic

that's created by the closeness of their friendship

and then the tragedy that's happened between

them. It's like this really intriguing thing

to watch play out. And it's not really a new

concept. We've kind of seen it with some of the

stories like, you know, Spider -Man and Green

Goblin, like classic stuff like that, or it's

a complicated relationship. But This was really

well executed, in my opinion, like it was there

was an awkwardness that made them seem made it

seem real. Like it wasn't a bad awkwardness.

It seemed like a sort of those tribulations that

you would go through. Like this is how a strained

friendship would come apart under such circumstances.

Like it seemed really like believable to me.

So, you know, from here on out, it went in some

directions that. I wasn't expecting, but it was

very disappointing in the ways that it went.

It didn't really do anything for shock value,

in my opinion, which is great. I thought everything

was well written and executed, flowed together,

beginning to end and a real solid movie. I think

it was one of Liam Neeson's better ones, actually.

Nice nice. I know the guy who directed that also

directed unknown from like a couple years ago

and last year he did Non -stop, would you put

it above? I don't know if you saw unknown, but

I did. Yeah, I saw both of those this I would

put I would put higher than both of those combined

I did like non -stop a lot, but I really like

this one So is it like a you see so is it more

like a slow burn like an old like more old -school

action? Where is compared to something like Taken

3, which was very high -octane action all the

time over the top in this type of... I don't

think it's high -octane at all. I think it's

more like... You could call it a slow burn. It's

kind of a suspense -driven... There's little

sort of little humps of action that you reach

throughout the movie, and then it's leading obvious

to this inevitable confrontation at the end sort

of. But it's just... I don't know. It's hard

to explain. It's done really well. I think another

thing worth mentioning, though, real quick is

the guy that played his son in this movie. His

name is Joel Kinnaman Robocop. Yeah, Robocop.

And also going to be in Suicide Squad, interestingly

enough. Yeah, he this guy was fantastic in this.

Like, I haven't seen too much of this guy, but

he really made an impression sort of long after

I walked out of the theater. Like, I was really

impressed with how he handled the. the different

emotions in this movie, like the strange relationship

with his father, sort of the roller coaster he

goes throughout the film, like he's dealing with

his dad showing up after all these years, he's

dealing with being a witness to something he's

not supposed to see, you know, having people

trying to hunt him down and harm him and his

family, and also like he cares for, there's this

young boy that he cares for, he mentors at the

boxing gym, so it's just this slew of different

Angles to his character and he handled it like

really well. I think he did a great job in this.

Oh Awesome. Awesome. Have you seen was that walk

among the two sounds from last year? I have not

seen that when I did kind of want to see that

but I haven't gotten a chance to I'm curious

if that's like if it's if it's like comparable

to that or not because what you're saying it

I haven't seen that either but they what I've

heard about both. It seems like they're comparable

So I it's interesting. I I did not see run all

night, but I'd be interested in checking out

now very well said yeah Cool. Thanks. All right,

Greg and Greg always has to show us up cuz you

know, we're watching movies and he's reading

all these books and stuff So Greg, why don't

you like, you know go to in your intellectual

corner and tell us about this awesome book that

you're at Yes, I read an intellectual book for

about 15 year olds Hey, that's probably I actually

realized I did watch a movie that I'll talk about

when you're done Which is probably made for like

eight -year -olds. So Well, I read a book by

Rickery Ardan, so this isn't going to take long

because it doesn't really take me long to read

his books. I just devour them. I'll go through

them really quick. Rickery Ardan is the author

who has done Percy Jackson's series. probably

seen the terrible movies that they've done based

on the books, which I highly recommend people

not watch the movie, read the books, because

the books are tons of fun, they're crazy out

there, and Grigora Dan is just simple, easy to

read. But I read a book from his Kane Chronicle

series called The Serpent's Shadow. And this

is another series where you have a set of kids

or just one singular kid. This has a set of kids,

brother and sister team. They're magicians that

are in with Egyptian gods and everything, and

they battle with different gods, all the evil

gods from Egyptian times. So this is very much

a set of books that seem very familiar. If you

read Percy Jackson, now to the point where he's

doing also Roman gods and kids as well. But it

doesn't venture too far away from his usual,

but it's just... Really good time. There's a

lot of fun stuff in there. Like I said, it's

a quick and easy read because it is for like

younger kids. It's about 400 pages, but the way

the words are spaced out and everything and the

spacing between lines is very massive. So you

could probably filter this whole book down to

about 200 pages if you just condense everything

a little bit. I'm very into Rick Riordan. I've

read all of the Percy Jackson stuff, all the

ones with the Roman gods that's now filtering

into the Percy Jackson, and that are running

together, and The Cain Chronicles, which I'm

imagining it's gonna run into all those other

The Cain Chronicles and all three of his book

series. So I know that you mentioned that the

movies don't necessarily measure up nearly as

well. to the books, what are the movies missing

that the books have that make them so much better?

That's tough. The story, it's not missing anything.

It's just that they mess up the storyline for

the most part. Like the way they did the storyline

in the movie, it doesn't make it so they can

move on the series like they did the book. So

it's very misconstrued and it doesn't really

match up As well with the books the books have

a better story. I guess you would say The books

like less convoluted in them actual movies or

do you think yeah? Yeah, the books explain it

better I don't think the movies really add up

to the fantasy that you can create in your head

from what Rick rear Dan says and he has a lot

more fun and interesting things going on Like

the mother and the son that had a thing where

they would eat Candy that was like blue or eat

everything that was blue. So they they had a

weird thing like that So they're missing stuff

like that. So Greg on these movies Do they like

do they consult this guy to help write the movies

at all? Or does they just kind of hire someone

else to adapt it? I think somebody else wrote

the movies But I believe from what little I know

because I didn't go too in -depth because I was

very disappointed in the movie I believe he was

there as a consultant but apparently he couldn't

consult them and force them to actually write

the movie just like the book. Kind of a vital

part to adapting a novel. Yeah, they missed the

mark. They have it where they just solved the

entire issue of the entire series in just this

one movie, but just dealing with a lot of the

stuff from the first book. So it was bizarre.

It was bizarre. I'm just going to leave it at

that because I feel like I'm just rambling now.

Interesting. Yeah, like from reading or from

watching the movie just feel like it was just

kind of put together hastily Just trying to like

get something out there to try to follow the

trend of Harry Potter It's just like we're just

gonna make this movie But the heart wasn't in

it because I feel like the Harry Potter films

like them. I hate them There's no doubt they

put a lot of effort into those movies. I guess

I didn't really get that from Percy Jackson So

maybe that was just the big difference is that

those movies have effort put behind them and

Percy Jackson movies are just You know, they're

just a studio trying to cash in Kind of yeah,

the one movie. I remember that I watched I just

want to talk about it real quickly So after our

badass bracket I got in the mood to watch Predator

or Predator 2 for whatever reason I don't know

if you ever get in those moods where it's like

I really want to watch this movie and I don't

know why and Luckily Predator 2 is available

on YouTube all of it for free And yeah, and in

good quality and and 10 -8 1080p so I watched

it on YouTube on my after my Xbox and It was

it was interesting. I forgot in that movie that

they try to make Danny Glover into a badass I

forgot that he was actually trying to meet into

the superhero and it takes place in this like

future almost futuristic Los Angeles where it's

just complete war going on It's like people are

using machine guns in the middle of the streets

and stuff It's like that 80s over -the -top Bible

was 1991 to early 90s. It was just it was fun

kind of funny though looking at the guns they

try to create to make them futuristic it was

like a handgun with like a silver plastic thing

on the top of it that looks like a scope that

you would never use on a handgun and it was just

it was so ridiculous but uh i do love the character

design of the predator he was kind of cool and

i love the idea of putting the predator in the

city and which becomes this de facto crime fighter

in some ways but uh and garibucci's in it and

he's so freaking great he's actually a lot of

fun i'm like oh yeah garibucci that used to not

be crazy and actually be a good actor and makes

you sad. Before those amazon fire tv commercials

Where he's talking to his pants Exactly The funny

thing is he didn't even know the cameras there.

That's just him Like they just put like a camera

on the wall like a hidden camera exactly So if

you want to watch predator 2 you can do so right

now by going to youtube and watching it all and

i'm guessing it's Maybe youtube has rights to

it or something or maybe no one has the rights

to it and it doesn't matter anymore It's just

in the public domain. But if you want to check

it out, it's there for you. So But uh, yeah,

it's it was enjoyable. I still kind of like it

It's not it's not nearly as good as the first

one But it's it's kind of got the b -movie cheese

and it's kind of ridiculous and I just like the

character of the predator So he makes it fun.

So But alright, so we're gonna take a quick break

and we would come back. We predator was in the

badass bracket last week He's not in it this

week. We have 16 new combatants that will be

going head -to -head as we decide the winner

of the 2015 Badass bracket. We'll see you in

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week. We'd absolutely love to have you. Alrighty,

and welcome back. If you didn't listen to last

week's episode, like I said, out front, go ahead

and do that. But. For those that have, last week,

out of the 16 combatants, the one person left

standing, the one person that was too badass,

or at least for last week, was Rocket Raccoon.

Kind of a surprise, we got a lot of people who

thought it would be Darth Vader, but you know,

Rocket Raccoon was not denied. This week we have

16 new combatants, and we're gonna go through

this. And similar to last week, we'll be going

through these 16 matchups. And if you haven't

listened, the idea is who is the biggest badass?

It's not who can win in a fight. It's not who

is stronger, more powerful. It's simply badass

credibility, which can mean pretty much anything

we want to mean at that time. So you might see

one thing be a benefit and then two rounds later,

be a detractor. It's the way that this thing

goes. It's how it works. But at the end Chuck

Greg and I will each vote who we think the monitor

of each matchup should be Whoever has the most

votes between Chuck Greg and I goes on we don't

do audience votes We don't do listeners relative

just between us I mentioned last week and if

you haven't done it We do have a versus tournaments

that we do that that are dependent upon audience

votes that are done by geekathreader .com Those

are some great lessons. So go ahead and listen

to those But we do a little bit differently here

because we don't trust the audience is I guess

I don't know anything else you guys wanted to

bring up before we get this thing started i don't

think so all righty skype please don't fail me

now tonight's first matchup last week we had

someone from the walking dead who went out in

the first round in carol well walking dead is

getting represented once again and this time

it's still its leader rick grimes ak -47 44 magnum

automatic weapons, night scope, there's a compound

bow and a machete with a red handle. That's what

I'm gonna use to kill you. Who's going up against

a member of DC Comics, one of the most iconic

characters of DC and one of Batman's most allies

or foes, I guess it depends on the day, and that

is Catwoman. How could you? I'm a woman! I'm

sorry, I... As I was saying, I'm a woman and

can't be taken for granted. Life's a bitch, now

so am I. you know, two comic book characters

going head -to -head, two very different characters

in a lot of different ways. Chuck, I think I'll

start with you here because I know you've watched

Walking Dead. I know you've read some Batman

comics. So, you know, who do you think out of

these two characters is deserving of being the

bigger badass? Well, I have watched. I have been

watching a lot of Walking Dead, obviously, the

last couple of seasons. There's a lot of different

sort of incarnations of Catwoman, a lot of different

people. playing her in movies and various things.

I guess like some reason that Catwoman has some

badass cred is for whatever reason she could

sort of be looked down upon by some of the other

more intimidating villains that Batman has faced.

And she can definitely hold her own. She's very

cunning and very tactful and things like that.

Like you mentioned, she's played both sides,

you know, the villain, the burglar. also the

occasional ally so very much a badass in her

own right but rick grimes to me like man the

guy has just become so so badass in the last

couple seasons of walking dead like the lengths

that this guy goes to to protect his son and

the other people in his party i mean uh bit out

another guy's throat that's the one image i keep

thinking of during this entire time Yeah, I mean,

it's just these people, obviously, they pose

a threat to their group and they were trying

to kidnap them and possibly kill them. And Rick

sort of gets the drop on this guy a little bit

and just has no weapon on him, but he just bites

his throat out. Catwoman, you're very badass

in your own way, but I'm sorry you're going to

fall here to Rick Grimes. Yeah. Greg I'm gonna

move on to you next. I know like we said you

I don't think you've gotten to that part in The

Walking Dead so spoiler alert I do apologize,

but you'll still not see it coming But out of

what you know for crimes and what you knew of

Catwoman Do you what one do you think is the

bigger badass? I'm gonna start off with my answer

first and I definitely think that Rick Grimes

is more of the bad badass. He shot his best friend.

I Think that is true. Yeah Just just to note

like I hope that's not a positive in your book

because we might not only we might only need

over Skype from now on I'm not saying i'm like

him because i'm definitely not badass But i'm

i'm not safe. So yeah, you have nothing to worry

about So yeah, I I think that in itself killing

your own best friend is just immensely badass

to build up the courage to do that to I don't

think I've ever seen Catwoman do anything as

close, and I think the Halle Berry movie definitely

takes away from her street cred. That's true.

She does have that gigantic, you know, negative

cred right there for that Catwoman movie. Oh,

man. Yeah, I will go with McRimes, but I will

throw some benefits to the Catwoman. I mean,

she has been fighting for her life since she

grew up. She, you know, on the streets had to

survive and she had to... Learned the hard way

and definitely, you know, is strong enough to

go toe to toe with some big villains, even including

Batman. So certainly she's got street smarts

and there's nothing to take away from that. But

yeah, Rick Grimes has certainly grown into he's

in the worst situation you could possibly imagine,

yet he's able to succeed and still keep a level

of humanity, even though that humanity is. ever

so leaving him as the days were on. But yeah,

I agree. So I'll go with great crimes and a clean

sweep. All righty, moving on to the next matchup.

And we're going to go back to the 80s here with

one of the most iconic characters to come out

from that decade. And he does not pity fools.

And that is Mr. T. The little man don't want

to come to me. Then I'll come to you people and

lay out the truth. I am ranked number one. One!

That means I'm the best. But this bomb is taking

the ease of matches. Fight another bomb. I'm

telling you and everybody here, I'll fight him

anywhere, anytime, for nothing. But you people

ain't never gonna see it happen because he's

gonna retire. You see, he don't fight no real

man. He fight himself. What? You're as disgrace

to this sport. Shut up, old man. You're not something

who has to come from. Going up against another

character that was kind of iconic from the 80s

a little bit from 90s at least if you're a Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtle fan, and that is Casey Jones

What the hell was that? That was a crime you

per scrubbing pukes and this is the penalty Two

minutes for slashing two minutes for hooking

and let's not forget my personal favorite two

minutes before i stick and wow i i ended last

time so i'll start this time and this is kind

of hard i'm not gonna lie i mean you have mr

t right you can look at all the different incarnations

of him you have him from rocky where you know

he what's what's your prediction for this fight

pain that's pretty badass you know he's got the

look he's got the gold he's got the haircut you

have to be pretty badass to wear that haircut

Indeed Casey Jones. I mean the dude is just he

literally is a hockey player badass enough But

then he just goes on the streets and beats people

up with random weapons assorted assorted weapons

He's kind of senile in that way. He's not a strange

fighter. He's just kind of a badass That's what

makes him kind of successful It's it's it's already

like who do you go with? But I think you know,

mr. T's got the complete package if you place

both of them in front of me, mr. Pete, mr. P

Mr. T had his prime against Casey Jones his prime

I'd rather go up against Casey Jones and mr.

T when he was full on T He was not to be messed

with so I it's a tough choice I really would

wanted the Casey Jones to go further But you

know, mr. T was like the biggest badass of the

1980s So I'm gonna have him go for at least vote

for him I don't know if he's gonna go forward

or not. So Greg, what say you in this matchup?

Yeah, I think Mr. T just kind of did one sport

thing with boxing and he was pretty badass with

that quote, like he said, pain. So badass. What's

that paper champion? And he was constantly carrying

around 20 billion pounds of weight with all of

his chains around his neck. His head should be

dragging on the ground. So I think there's a

lot of pluses for him, but I think the smaller

more rougher tougher tumble Casey Jones just

with all of his sports weaponry with hockey sticks

baseball bats Just his resourcefulness and the

amount of foes that he'll go up against once

and the higher tier, more highly trained combatants

that he goes up against. I think him going into

such a battle against such a force, I think that

gives Casey Jones the winning swing here for

me. One quick rebuttal to what you said, though,

before I pass it over to Chuck. Can you have

more highly trained than Rocky? I mean, that's

all that guy does is training. Look at all those

montages. Come on. Yeah, but Casey Jones is going

against enemies that have been training for years

as well in the arts of karate. But have they

been punching, you know, frozen meat in a locker?

I mean... No, they have been pounding meat in

a giant locker. All righty Chuck you're in a

tough spot here. You have one vote T. You have

one vote Casey Jones. Who's moving on to the

next round? Wow, I get the I get the first decision

of the night here. This is tough these are sort

of two two beloved characters from my my past

my younger days Definitely a huge Rocky fan as

you guys all know So I of course, I love the

character of Clubber Lang from Rocky 3 as you're

quoting. And then obviously I'm a huge Ninja

Turtles fan also, and I love Casey Jones and

all of his iterations, whether it be the cartoon,

the movie, the comics. He's all pretty much the

same character in all three of those mediums,

which I can I could say that's I gotta give him

respect there. So this is really, really tough

for me. But I feel like I feel like at the end

of the day. uh, Casey Jones can work out without

grunting. But the Casey Jones, did Casey Jones

sing about mothers? Yeah. That detracts a little

bit away from the bet. I mean, although, you

know, respecting your mom, it's pretty bad ass,

but, uh, I feel like if we were doing clubber

Lang here, See, this is the matchup I'm going

to work this angle. If this was Klubber Lang

here, I would definitely go with him. But Mr.

T as a whole, if you watched stuff like the A

-Team, he was badass in parts with that, but

he was also kind of a little quirky here and

there. They sort of had to knock him out every

time they wanted to take him on a plane, which

was kind of weird. But yeah, I don't know. I'm

feeling Casey Jones, I think. Uh, the guy just

has a lot of, uh, a lot of cojones to go out

there on the streets in New York city with a

baseball bat and a hockey stick and try to fight

actual criminals. All righty. So Casey Jones

will be facing off against Rick Grimes in the

next round, which that should be a fun matchup.

So we talked about iconic characters from our

childhood. And at least for me, these are two

big iconic characters from my childhood. And

I'm assuming anyone who grew up in the eighties

and nineties. Starting off, we have Fulton Reed

from The Mighty Ducks. Look, it was an accident,

alright? Never mind the window. Where'd you learn

to shoot like that? Didn't learn, I just do it.

Do it again. Well, you're great at breaking windows.

Have you ever hit the goal? Yeah. Well, one out

of five. Fulton, is it true what they say about

the scholarships and how they won't let you play

hockey? People talk and tell me nothing. Why

don't you play for us? I can't. What do you mean,

you can't? I mean, I can't. Are you afraid? No,

I mean, I really can't, you moron. I don't know

how to skate. Is that all that's stopping you?

Going up against Benny the Jet Rodriguez from

The Sandlot. I don't believe it. Bitch. Nah,

it ain't. Come on, Benny, man. Maybe two or three

guys in history ever busted the guts out of a

ball. Must be an old man. All this means is that

we can't play no more. I mean, it's only 12 o

'clock. And I just ruined the whole day for us.

No, you didn't. That's the most amazing thing

I ever saw. Nice. And Greg, we'll start with

you here. Who do you think wins in this matchup

against Benny the Jet and Fulton Reed from the

Mighty Ducks? Well, you have two guys that were

in sports movies. You have one hockey. and one

baseball. Which one is the tougher sport? I'm

going to go with hockey. You're constantly hitting

people. People lose teeth, get cut up, get bruises.

There's fighting. The other guy just ran away

from a giant dog that he ended up loving, I guess.

So I have to go with Fulton Reed with the more

manly sport and the sport where he is feared

in a Really tough bruiser sport. He is feared

especially a shot I do have a con for him, but

I'll save that for later. So I'm going to go

with Fulton Reed Alrighty Chuck I'll move on

to you next. Who do you feel should win this

matchup? Well, I'd like to say Fulton Reed Where's

the bandana? We know that's badass. That immediately

gives you like at least five or ten points on

your badass license. But, you know, Greg, you

got a good point there. Hockey is a much tougher

sport. There's a lot higher risk for injury.

You really have to be an overall tougher person

to sort of play those games in a day in and day

out. And in that movie, he really came when he

came out to the Mighty Ducks, he he really turned

them around. sort of gave an element of fear

to all of their opponents that they faced you

know he had that crazy slap shot that was so

fast that no one could even stop it he was a

little wild with it his accuracy wasn't the greatest

at all times but uh he you know he dialed it

in there i need the jet uh rodriguez he was like

the cool guy like the cool kid on the on the

diamond that everybody wanted to be and uh i

just i think that moment when when he jumped

over the fence and took that ball and started

running from the dog just the just the epic nature

of that scene and all the kids all the neighborhood

kids were in such awe with this creature that

they have feared their whole lives chasing down

their friend and he was out running him he was

doing it and uh i just think that moment is so

epic i i gotta give my vote to to benny rodriguez

All right, so this is gonna be really hard for

me two of my all -time favorite movies growing

up as a kid And still Sandlot and many dogs hold

still hold a very special place in my heart So,

I mean Greg you make a good point hockey clearly

more badass than baseball. There's no question

about it but There's that classic line heroes

live and die but legends are live forever. Benny

the jet is a legend even so that we see that

he succeeds as an adult. He becomes a professional

star. But, you know, you do have Fulton Reed.

He's a part of the Basham Brothers. He's the

enforcer of that hockey team. Even when going

up against people like the people from Iceland,

he's still the guy that they go to as, you know,

their muscle. And to be the muscle of a hockey

team, his slap shot so hard it literally picks

a person up. Goalie up through the net. I mean

it does if I physics that's that says something

But yeah Who's gonna win the fight clearly Fulton

Reed if I'm gonna want if I want someone stronger

You know if I want it if I'm gonna go into a

difficult situation probably want Fulton Reed

But I think I think Benny the Jets more of a

complete complete badass because he has that

cool factor he I mean he's gonna be the one getting

the girls he's gonna be the one who's kind of

smooth talking and he's got a little bit more

of a chip on his shoulder and maybe a little

bit more He's more willing to go and get it where

Fulton Reed had to be convinced to even play

hockey so because of that because Benny the Jet

is the leader and Fulton Reed's more of the follower

and I think It's more badass to be a leader.

Oh It pains me. It pains me so much To not let

both go on but I can't I can't do that. So I

vote will go for go for Benny the jet and this

in this situation So he'll be moving on to the

to the next round You're gonna put the the song

in here. Yeah Funny story, I never even realized

that till now So the next matchup another really

random matchup, but it should be kind of fun

and I'll start with this one in since I ended

last time and Starting off we have the grill

master himself George Foreman I can't believe

it. I can't believe it. Going up against the

Amazon Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman! Don't judge

them, Cal. They get a little nervous around men

now. What are you talking about? I was heading

up river when I passed this village about four

days ago. The people here helped the French and

the rebels didn't like that. They murdered the

men and children and I threw them in the river.

These women were beaten and pinned in tiger cages

for the rebels to... use. The rebels? How did

they die? I only disarmed them. I left their

guns in a clearing and then I let the women out

of their cages. They did this and you just stood

by and watched I gave them freedom and a chance

for justice, you know the American way This is

what the government's afraid of Diana us acting

like vigilantes. I have to do what I think is

right That's what a lot of the others said at

first remember and now Batman's a fugitive the

whole justice society is retired and our man's

dead No matter how much good we do deep down

people are always going to be scared of us Isn't

that why you and I signed those loyalty oaths?

Take a look around Cal Oaths don't mean much

here. All I see is suffering and madness But

there's the door spaceman So the question is,

who's a bigger badass, George Foreman or Wonder

Woman? Very different characters. I know who

has a better ass. Definitely not Foreman, though

with how healthy his grills are, he certainly

might have a better ass now, but it's kind of

hard. Both warriors, both fighters. What's George

Foreman's most infamous fight? Rumble in the

jungle. And what happened in that fight? He lost.

You can't really be a badass and best be known

for losing one of the most iconic fights of all

time. It'd be like Scott Norwood being considered

a badass for missing that field goal kick against

the Giants. But you do have to get the fact that

he did win the heavyweight title at 50 years

old. I mean, if you're ever gonna come back from

a loss like that, that's the way to do it. But

Wonder Woman's a trained warrior. She is... Certainly

not gonna back down from anyone. She goes up

against gods her level of competition even though

fictional Certainly is as high as they get though.

I mean, it's hard to get higher than get Muhammad

Ali But uh, I mean George Foreman was like the

Mike Tyson of his day But I'm gonna go Wonder

Woman just because of the fact that George Foreman

his biggest moment to shine was kind of lost

for him So I'm gonna go Wonder Woman in this

in this one Chuck I'll move it on to you next.

Who do you feel should win this matchup? I think

Foreman because he is a grill that makes delicious

food Does have a good grill No, I guess like

Obviously, I'm a I'm a big DC fan and I like

Wonder Woman and everything, you know, definitely

a badass when Batman refers to her as One of

the most skilled if not the most skilled hand

-to -hand fighter on the planet That's that's

some high praise right there She isn't not afraid

to go up against anyone she can hold her own

even if she didn't have her strength in her flight

like i mentioned she's just a ridiculous uh ridiculously

skilled fighter she's trained with weapons very

very good with all sorts of uh fighting styles

i think i'm gonna go with foreman though here

because oh wow i'm really surprised by that yeah

i think uh i don't know i like this guy he's

gotta He's got a likable side to him, which is

it's part of being a badass. You know, I think,

yeah, he he had a failure there in the Rumble

in the jungle, but he lost to the best there

was. And that was Muhammad Ali. And I think if

if you were to sort of put Wonder Woman in that

situation, if she were to lose to Superman, I

don't think it would make her any less badass.

That's a good point. So I think, you know, I

look at Foreman He's a two -time world heavyweight

champion. He's a gold medalist in the Olympics

When he first took over the heavyweight title,

he defeated the then undefeated Joe Frazier in

a knockout Pretty badass feet. So I don't know.

I'm feeling I'm feeling Foreman right now He's

feeling Foreman Greg. So we have one vote Wonder

Woman one vote George Foreman Who you going with

in this? Well I don't know much about boxing,

but he did get beat in that whatever you said

fight. And so he took a beating there, which

is pretty badass. But you've got to you got to

think about this another way. Wonder Woman has

also taken a giant beating that to her vagina

from Superman. They have hooked up probably billions

of times. And you know, Superman has wrecked

that shit. So I'm going to go with Wonder Woman.

That's one way to look at it. Was it in the Invisible

Plane? Is that why we haven't seen it? Yes, she

also has an invisible jet. That is awesome and

badass. And she deflects bullets with her gauntlets.

So there's other reasons to go with Wonder Woman

besides that, but I'm going... George Foreman

did name all of his kids George. I feel like

that's not badass. No, I that's what I would

think that takes away some from some bad. Yeah,

that takes some takes some Some gusto to name

all your kids George like that though and gusto

a lack of self -awareness I got hit in the head

several million times. What do you expect? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean considering looking at other boxers.

He's in pretty good shape considering, you know

It's all it's it's those grills man, it's those

grills Already moving on to the next matchup

this route I guess this this bracket side of

the brackets much more random than last week

But it makes a little bit more fun, but we have

two leaders of nations to You know war generals

in a lot of ways again one fictional one real

On one side we have general George Patton You

see it I Want you to remember That no bastard

ever won war By dying for his country You want

it By making the other poor dumb bastard die

for his country and On the other we have the

mother of all dragons Khaleesi Why we had philosophical

differences over what? Your beauty. It meant

more to me than it did to them. You're a strange

man. I'm the simplest man you'll ever meet. I

only do what I want to do. Well, then this is

supposed to impress me. Yes. Why would I trust

a man who murders his comrades? They ordered

me to murder you. I told them. I preferred not

to. They told me I had no choice. I told them

I am Dario Naharis. I always... Have a choice.

They drew their swords, and I drew mine. Will

you fight for me? Swear to me. The Second Sons

are yours, and so is Dario Naharis. My sword

is yours. My life is yours. My heart is yours.

Greg, you end the last round. I'll start with

you here. You have already expressed your love

for Khaleesi. But the question here is who's

a bigger badass? Khaleesi? Or george patten Never

thought that'd be a conversation. I would ever

have till today So who are you going with us

in this matchup? Uh calisi calisi calisi calisi

calisi calisi calisi calisi calisi calisi I'm

going with so we see yes. Um, I just think calisi

has Taken rule and she kind of rules a bunch

of of of people. They're her citizens. That's

her army she is definitely on the top and Patton

even though he has won a bunch of great battles

he has gotten kicked down from the from above

from presidents and higher ranked generals and

kind of got him kicked out of the army. And there's

also a little bit of questioning of his sanity

with how far he has gone with things. I think

Khaleesi is a little bit more calm and collected.

She has overcome so much to get where she has

gotten. And she has fucking dragons. And she

is gorgeous. And she has an awesome ass along

with a badass. Can't deny that. I mean what I

have been talking about Chuck I'll move I I know

this one's kind of tough for you because you

haven't really watched Game of Thrones but They

give you some background on Khaleesi. She was

this character who? Basically started off as

a pawn as a brother of her brother, but she kind

of grew into this leader of a nation she was

a slave and she used her sexual prowess, I guess

in some ways to overcome her captors and actually

become this leader and she ends up being this

part of this long -lost Faction of people that

were once these great leaders and she's like

the last descendant and Part of it is being the

mother of dragons where she can withstand huge

fire and not be burned and now she's this leader

among this entire nation going to take on the

the north and Reclaim her clan crown basically.

So I probably I've skipped over a great deal.

Yeah It's a very It's a it's a very rich History

there. It's there's there's a lot of stuff going

on. I would say like she has huge development

She's not a character that was born. She's not

like a Wonder Woman per se she gets to a woman

one woman Wonder Woman level, but it's uh, it

takes some time it takes some progression to

get there, but With that I'm curious to hear

who you would go with in this matchup. This is

a tough matchup. Like you said, I haven't seen

Game of Thrones at all, but yeah, I definitely

definitely picking up what you're putting down.

She sounds like a pretty badass leader, definitely

having some dragons on her side there. I'm sort

of interested to to check out some of the some

of those badass qualities at a closer level,

a closer look. I do want to make out with her,

right? No, not sure if you're used to communicating,

but that's not really what I said. When it comes

to Khaleesi, Greg's head gets all kind of muffled.

It's just like the Foreigner song, Head Games.

It's like putting a spoon into the microwave.

It's like putting a peanut butter jar in with

the foil still on in the microwave. I do know

a bit about Patton. I know he pretty much fought

in both World Wars, first seeing combat at the

end of the first one. He was a West Point graduate

in Olympian. The guy was crazy with his speeches,

cursing up a storm and everything. Very outspoken

with his views on certain countries, even though

it didn't... completely go along with the U .S.

official policy of what their thing was. So I

guess I kind of think about that as sort of,

you know, he's not afraid to speak his mind and

he's not really afraid of the authority above

him. Like, I don't know, it just seems really

bad -ass to me. I hate to sort of pull this card

in a fun sort of situation like this, but the

guy served our country in two wars. And I really

got a lot of gratitude for him. The guy's a major

badass. I'm going to give my vote to Mr. Patton.

Yeah, I mean, this is a really hard matchup because

it's too varied. I mean, one's obviously a real

life person and who fought in real life wars

and another one's a fictional character. So it's

like... Almost going into it unfair in some ways,

but yeah, yeah, I mean Patton for sure real life

There's no there's no question his badass. He

was one of the most respected or one of the most

well -established generals of our in our history

I mean, you probably probably one of the most

prominent and well -known I mean that could be

partially because of the movie Patton where you

know, George skis George C Scott played him so

well and you really kind of Captured the essence

of what made that character's one made him such

a huge larger than life character um even though

he was a real person and obviously a real person

but he was almost like so so big and so over

the top that he almost feels fictional in a lot

of ways and just the way he would he would so

speak his mind and Not be afraid to really piss

people off to the point where he did piss people

off So he kind of you know Dwight D Eisenhower

wasn't biggest fan of Patton in some ways and

kind of affected the way he was using the war

and I mean, I Guess the question becomes if you're

a leader, what's part of being a badass? I think

speaking your mind part of that too. But I think

also it does make sense to be a badass but still

be Highly regarded or or at least liked by the

people that are following you and it's hard to

tell people who reported the patent certainly

respected his gusto and his Willingness to kind

of do whatever it takes for his country for sure

But I think Khaleesi is beloved by everyone.

She's freeing slaves. She she is making some

really tough choices that they both add to Khaleesi

When she does have dragons, I mean man if Patton

had dragons, it'd be in no contest, but you know

dragons are pretty badass It's really it's rather

hard. Yes, it is as you can tell i'm rambling

because i'm not sure who i'm going to go with

because You'd think I would plan ahead ahead

of time, but I did it because i'm an idiot So

and i'm actually looking at Patton stuff as I

speak to see if there's anything I can think

of that would make me I mean not want to pick

him. Here's a dig against Patton if I could there's

a thing called post -traumatic stress or the

stress that soldiers can take on from a traumatic

experience or even just regular people take on

and it's debilitating for them and Patton once,

well probably a couple times, threw a giant fit

at one of these men that had this and just started

berating him and anybody like him for being yellow,

I think, was the term that was used. And so he

definitely was not that great with his men at

times. If you were a tough fighter and knew what

you were doing and could keep your wits about

you, he was probably great. But he definitely

sacrificed people. For the war like Yeah, he

certainly there's no he made no bones about not

like He did not respect weakness all that much

Which I mean is part of probably what makes him

a great general and but maybe not a great person

or at least you know Plus you have to consider

consider the situation and in the time period

that was back in the day when they didn't have

the quite the studies and the information that

we do have but yeah, I mean certainly he possibly

did some morbidly questionable things, but I

guess it's hard to say without being there. The

one thing I can think about Khaleesi though is

that she, as of right now, I don't know the books,

I only know the TV show, and it did take her

some time to get to that point. She did start

off as more of a, almost like deer in headlights

for a really long time, where she was almost

aloof for a great - deal and she sensed Patton

as what seems like he was almost born the way

he is. I'm getting a sense he's more a badass

for a longer period of time and maybe everything

he did wasn't kosher but I think Khaleesi's done

some questionable things as well as we saw last

season of Game of Thrones where maybe she took

her power too far and maybe also possibly did

some things that maybe were not for the benefit

and maybe just are being power hungry. So maybe

both guilty of things like that. So because of

that, and it pains me, but I'm going to go with,

I'm going to go with Pat. No, I tried to defend

your honor. He died valiantly. I did. I did.

I still have a picture of her up on my screen

here. It's all right. It's alright, Khaleesi.

I mean, if it's who has the better ass, I'm definitely

gonna go with, I'm gonna go with Khaleesi. I

will console you! It's alright. So yeah, I mean,

a lot of rambling there, I apologize, but it

was a tough, tough decision. You guys just don't

like my choices, you always vote against me!

All right, well this one's gonna be a whole lot

easier I think well I'm not at least a lot easier

to compare these two characters because they're

both cartoons from one from classic Disney cartoon

and one from a classic 1980s TV series and We

have Aladdin from well, you know Aladdin No one

steals from my Thief! Do you know what the penalty

is for stealing? Thank you, kind sir. I'm so

glad you found me. I've been looking all over

for you. Just play along. You, uh, know this

girl? Sadly, yes. She is my sister. She's a little

crazy. She said she knew the Sultan. She thinks

the monkey is the Sultan. Tragic, isn't it? But,

no harm done. Now come along, sis. Time to go

see the doctor. No, no, no, not that one. Come

on, Sultan. Come back here, you little beast!

Going up against Lino from The Thundercat. My

cunning! It is my equal in every way. Yes, Lion

-O. It is just like you. An evil twin. Your mirror

image. In you. Yes! And what do you see in the

mirror? Your own reflection, Mammarra! So I ended

last time, I'll start with this one. And I'll

preface this by saying Aladdin's probably my

all time favorite Disney movie, all time favorite

animated film, easily. It's at least within my

top two. And I liked Thundercats as a kid, but

it wasn't my favorite cartoon. So the question

is, who's the bigger badass? And it talked about

with Catwoman how she was born on the streets,

had to become streetwise and like fight for survival.

That was the same thing with Aladdin. He has

a magic carpet. His pants are modeled off of

MC Hammer. I mean, that's kind of badass, right?

He's got a cool vest, a cool little hat. And

he was meant to kind of look like Tom Cruise.

So back when Tom Cruise was actually badass,

not before he kind of went crazy. so and lino

i mean let's be honest the name lino doesn't

even sound that badass it sounds kind of kind

of ridiculous and he's a great fighter but he

also has a great weapon with his sword and you

know the thunder thunder thundercats great call

great song great looking character but i find

aladdin is more of a badass and more of a rebellious

character and fits that Credence a little bit

more so I'm gonna go with Aladdin in this one,

but uh Chuck I'm curious to hear who you think

should win this matchup Sort of a definitely

a nostalgic matchup for all of us. I think we

all remember Aladdin grown up as kids watching

that movie and all the things he has to go through

in that movie to Overcome his trials and sort

of went over went over the girl went over Jasmine

You know, Thundercats was something I really

did get into as a kid. I watched it a good deal.

Doesn't mean I remember everything about it because

I was really small, but I do remember being obsessed

with Lion -O and his sword. And I used to have

this little toy sword and I would go around and

hold it up and I would yell, give me sight beyond

sight. And that's what I did, and that's what

the power that the sword had. I think for that

reason, that childhood moment, I was so engulfed

in that character and everything. I'm going to

give the edge to Lion -O here. Aladdin's very

respectable. He did a lot of badass things. I'm

very, very close on this, but I'm just going

to give the edge to Lion -O for my childhood

sake. All righty. Greg, you have one vote Lionel,

you have one vote Aladdin. Well, I really didn't

watch Thundercats when I was little, so I know

nothing about the character. I just know Aladdin's

from the street show, and that's really badass.

You. That was that was a song they cut out there

was a lot of math that they were gonna have in

but didn't make the Yeah, and he fights a giant

crazy maniacal Jafar with magical powers at the

end. So I think I'm Abdul Jafar. Yes What was

this originally before you converted Cassius

clay So I I'm gonna have to go with Aladdin because

I don't really know anything about why I know

sorry Chuck Hey, that's okay. I didn't expect

him to make it. He's voting against Chuck's picks.

It's You know, I had slightly on site and I saw

this coming so All right, moving on to the next

matchup we have Another random one, but hey,

that's what that's the fun of it. That's this

this whole round is random It really is it really

is we have Abraham Lincoln I don't know why that

struck me funny Euclid's first common notion

is this things which are equal to the same thing

are equal to each other That's a rule of mathematical

reasoning it's true because it works has done

and always will do In his book, Euclid says this

is self -evident. You see, there it is. Even

in that 2 ,000 -year -old book of mechanical

law, it is a self -evident truth that things

which are equal to the same thing are equal to

each other. Going up against, who else? The Fonz

from Happy Days. Hey, hey, hey! What's a nice

lady like you doing in a place like that, huh?

Yeah, dull humdrum life. Why don't you throw

down your pencil and hustle over to my place

and be cool for the first time in your life?

What? Now what'd you say? What makes me think

I'm so cool? that makes me think i'm so that

is a great one of these classic matchups we hear

this one all the time who's a bigger badass abraham

lincoln or the fawns from happy days and Greg,

you and the last time I'll start with you here.

I don't know if you watch Happy Days or watch

Abraham Lincoln. I don't know. I'm guessing you

know who he is. But who do you think is a bigger

badass? Dan, I have a question for you first,

though. For the first round, the first 16, where

you're like, oh, I'm going to have some iced

tea and sit down and figure this out. And then

for this second part, where you like snorting

up cocaine and just downing crack constantly,

because it feels like a total disconnect between

the two. It kind of does I was going for I mean

there was a fun round Yeah, this is the more

this is the more like we're gonna be kind of

crazy this one This is a you know schools out

for summer and some of them some of them kind

of made sense, you know like I thought Khaleesi

and Patton kind of did because you have two leaders

of nations and Fulton Reed and Rodriguez and

Aladdin in what whatnot, but some of the other

ones. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie this if they were

didn't match up perfectly. They came up and they

came up this round. So it, uh, it led to some

intriguing matchups. Okay. That's probably people

are probably like, I don't care who gives a shit.

Just go on. So it's the Fonz versus Abraham Lincoln.

Abraham Lincoln, uh, was a wrestler and he's

actually in the hall of fame for wrestling. He

fought for the rights of African Americans, I

guess. Is it African Americans? Because at that

point, they were just Africans who were in America

enslaved. The slave trade was no longer, so they

were considered African. I guess technically

not then. Much worse, harsh words were used,

but yes, it would be considered African. So we've

got that technically down now. So he's done a

lot of great things. He's definitely badass,

beating people up, swinging an axe. He was a

freaking massive call man with a badass hat.

The Fonz had a leather coat and probably had

an STD. He might be the starter of the STDs.

Yes, he might be ground zero for that. They were

originally called FTDs. He rode around a motorcycle,

he hit shit, and it would fix and turn on and

automatically play records. That's pretty cool.

But overall the the the history of Abraham Lincoln,

he has a giant ass statue in Washington Did you

guys know that well to be fair the Fonz might

be getting one soon? So we we don't know yet.

It might be well Abraham Lincoln has one now

Dan one now So I'm gonna go with Abraham Lincoln.

This final rounds are gonna be awful Alrighty

so Go ahead and agree with you there. I look

at it this way the Fonz one of the coolest characters

of all time But also one of his biggest moments

was that infamous jumping the shark moment, which

has been synonymous with TV shows Becoming over

-the -top and ruining themselves. So when you're

tied to one of the worst moments in TV history

and your TV character Kind of hurts your badass

cred. So and those shorts were not badass that

he wore when he did that So because of that i'm

going with lincoln chuck I don't know if you're

gonna make it a sweep or you're gonna try to

convince us that the fawn should be moving on

Well, to be honest you took uh, he sort of took

the same argument right out of my mouth I was

gonna bring up jumping the shark thing Um, i'm

gonna make it a clean sweep. Don't get me wrong.

I love the fawns. I love happy days great show

great character, but uh, abraham lincoln just

He's total badass, you know growing up in the

wilderness and you know sort of working and Experiencing

hard work growing up and then just to become

the great leader that he did you know having

the having the cojones to sort of Do what he

did and stand in front of the nation and set

an example for them and everything You know,

and the top hat, that just puts it over the top,

you know? I mean, probably the most famous top

hat wearer of all time. I mean, the guy just

made it cool. So yeah, I got to go with Abe.

All right, Abe's moving on. Next match up, the

last match up of the first round for this bracket.

This one makes a little bit more sense to fictional

characters, though it might. be, I guess, a tough

matchup for at least the participants. We have

Peggy Carter from Captain America and Agent Carter.

Going up against... Her love interest, Captain

America, Steve Rogers. No. No, he wasn't. Chuck,

you ended last round. I'll start with you here.

Who is the bigger badass? Peggy Carter or Steve

Rogers? Oof, man. You're breaking out my favorite

character here, Cap. Captain America, I love

that character. Such an amazing character, iconic

character. Someone that I've... connected with

ever since I got into comics, but Peggy Carter

is the bigger badass. What? Yes. Oh, man, my

heart just. I don't know. I guess like I don't

consider I don't put Cap in the badass category

like he's stands for everything that's good.

I mean, he's he's badass in a way and the way

that he will stick up for things. He fights for

what he believes in, tries to lead by example.

But I think like sort of the arguments we used

for Black Panther last week where he's just such

a noble character, just has a lot of respect

and doesn't want to, doesn't really want to make

waves too much if you forget about Sivor. But,

uh, so I mean, to look at Peggy Carter, like,

you know, especially from the, from the TV show

is what I'm thinking of. You know, that was a

pretty amazing show and what she had to go through

as a woman in the 40s and sort of gaining respect

from all her male counterparts at Shield and

just kind of making her way and earning her own

respect and kicking some major ass along the

way and beating up all the guys. As far as badass,

you know, she does what it takes to get it done.

It really, really pains me here and I may regret

this, but I think I'm going to give it to Peggy

Carter. Greg, you've heard him. Do you agree

with Chuck that Peggy Carter is truly the bigger

badass or are you going with Steve Rogers? Chuck

makes tons of great points. I think there's one

point other than all he said for Cap. Cap had

to make this huge decision before he was Captain

America and he was just Steve Rogers to go through

this altering process that he didn't even know

if he was gonna live or die because of and he

was doing it to go fight a war where he didn't

know whether he was going to live or die. going

through. So I think that gives maybe just a little

bit more badass than Chuck was probably considering.

I'm not sure because I'm not in Chuck's head,

which would be weird if I was. But that definitely

brings him up a little bit for me on Peggy Carter.

But I still think Chuck has landed on a lot of

great points. I'm also going to go with Peggy.

Oh, wow. OK. So interesting. I guess, you know,

you guys make good points, and I was siding towards

Peggy Carter, or towards Cap, but I think the

points breaking up are good, and also thinking

the fact that you make a good point that Captain

America did have to go through this procedure,

but he also had to go through a procedure to

become really a badass. Before that, he wasn't

really, where Peggy Carter was kind of naturally

the way she is, and she was doing it in a time

where it was much more difficult for her, and

kind of going against what was... Allowed and

respected for a woman in that spot So because

of that, I guess I'll agree with you guys and

and one of the most stunning sweeps of this tournament

history Peggy Carter will be moving on as a bigger

badass than Captain America. I'm changing my

vote. I'm going back to cap I'm sorry cap. I'm

sorry Now we move on to round two so the winners

from last round are facing off against one another

our very first matchup we have Rick Rimes going

up against Casey Jones. And I ended last time,

so I will start this time. And man, I have no

idea when it comes to this matchup. I'm trying

to think of where the weakness points are. And

I guess one of the questions is when you come

to bigger badasses, which ones do you fear more?

And that's a tough one. Casey Jones has his weapons,

but Rick Rimes in some ways doesn't even need

weapons. As we've seen, he will literally use

his teeth. if he needs to. I also think that

similar to like Carol from last week Rick Grimes

will go to some places that Casey Jones wouldn't

be willing to go. I do think Casey Jones would

be someone that would probably survive well in

the zombie apocalypse but because he is you know

so formidable and a big badass and made it this

far because of that but just because we saw more

from Rick Grimes and what he is willing to do

to Survive. I gotta go with grimy on this one.

Please do not call him grimy again I will do

that in his place All right, Greg. I'll move

on to you. Who do you feel should win this back?

Yeah, I agree Rick Grimes is I feel like Rick

Grimes would do a lot more I think Casey Jones

is definitely gonna fall symptom to people's

emotions Whereas Rick Grimes would just go in

teeth Karen people and essentially it sounds

like turn into kind of a zombie himself And and

shooting his best friend, I don't think Casey

Jones would do that I could see I could see Casey

Jones shooting Raphael in the head Maybe you

know, maybe maybe but I don't I don't think he

would shoot April when you know or any anything

like that. I Think even if April not not very

he'd be very like I don't know what to do Maybe

maybe Alrighty great Chuck. So are you gonna

make it a clean sweep? Are you gonna try to convince

us that Casey Jones should be moving on? I'm

gonna be boring and make it a clean sweep I think

I guess my reasoning is that if I were to switch

those characters and put each of them in the

others situation I Definitely think Rick would

have what it takes to do what Casey Jones does.

I think he could He could go out there and give

it his all and sort of be a vigilante type character.

But if you were to put Casey Jones in Rick's

position in the zombie apocalypse, I'm not sure

if he'd be willing to go as far as Rick has and

sort of do those things that need to be done

to protect his group. So I'm just giving edge

to Rick. All right. Rick Grimes is moving on.

Next matchup we have Benny the Jet Rodriguez

from the Sandlot going up against Wonder Woman

This is where the random becomes even more random

and Chuck I'll go right back to you since you

ended last time Who is the bigger bad ass here?

This seems such like a weird matchup. Like, let's

put a 13 year old boy up against a scantily clad

Amazon woman. I'm sure he appreciates it. He's

like, I don't care if I lose. Really, I don't.

Oh, wow. They would probably last about three.

Yeah. Oh, poor guy. They don't call him the jet

for nothing. No. That was so wrong. Boy, I'm

really having trouble. I know I vouched for Benny

Rodriguez last round, and I went against Wonder

Woman last round, but I think I'm going to flip

-flop that, and I'm going to vote for Wonder

Woman this time around. Her resume to me is very,

very extensive, and I can't really put anything...

That Benny Rodriguez has done that would match

the sort of things that Wonder Woman has done.

So You know simply put I'm I'm going to Wonder

Woman Fair enough. I will I will go ahead and

I will Second that I again this is coming from

someone who the Sandlot's one of my top five

favorite films of all time But I just think his

resume is necessarily as badass as Wonder Woman,

you know, he's a legend He's a cool kid. But

like when it comes to like badass ability or

overall Complete package plus like you wonder

like what would he grow up to be like like in

high school? Would he really be cool or would

he be that kid? You hate that's just so arrogant

and cocky and now he's a town legend I could

see these people everyone not liking him And

if you look at like when I came to when the other

baseball team came and was insulting Everyone

that was playing there. It wasn't Benny the jet

that was sticking out for them It was ham sitting

saying all those great one -liners like you play

ball like a girl Benny the jet kind of just hung

out in the back If a true badass I think would

have come to the forefront and defended his friends

where he didn't in that situation So because

of that, I'm gonna go with Wonder Woman but uh,

Greg are you making a clean sweep? Are you putting

a vote towards Benny Rodriguez? Yeah, I don't

think it's really any kind of competition. I

agree with everything you guys said so I'm just

gonna leave it at that and go with Wonder Woman

All righty moving on to the next matchup. And

again, these are Random becoming more random

and we have general George Patton going up against

Aladdin I'm waiting for that Disney movie. I

can't wait for that Disney movie. It'll be amazing

But Greg you ended last time one of you start

here who was winning this I guess they both became

leaders of men Windows have a magic carpet, you

know and a pet yeah, and he consults a awesome

genie The patent is an actual general. Uh, oh

I'm gonna go with patent. I I have really no

explanation for it other than that. So uh, you

guys have fun well, i'll pick this one up next

and Man, it is it is a random matchup. I don't

even know where to start aladdin does have some

badass cred, but patent like is a leader of people.

He certainly is an inspiration. Aladdin kind

of has to get his inspiration from a magical

genie. And that's where, like, you know, he's

able to become Sultan, really, in a magic carpet.

It's really his friends that are making Aladdin,

in a lot of ways, be successful, where it's people

looking to Patton. And I think if Patton walked

in a room and Aladdin walked into a room, Aladdin

would, like... run into the corner if he's scolded

by Patton. So because of that, I'm going to go

with Patton as well. Chuck, ending with you here,

do you agree or are you going to vote Aladdin

for this one? This matchup is so ridiculous that

I have to resort to ridiculous means to make

my decision. I'm going to look at the mode of

transportation for these two particular gentlemen.

Aladdin rides a carpet. And Patton rides a tank.

So, uh, Patton is more badass. Sorry. Wow. That's

pretty much all you need to say. Perfect. All

right. This is kind of next matchup. Again, a

real -life character fictional character, but

they may maybe make a little bit more sense here.

And we have Abraham Lincoln going up against

Peggy Carter. And Chuck, I'll throw our right

back to you again. Who's winning this matchup?

Who's a bigger badass? Bigger badass. I know

I vouched for Peggy Carter last round. I picked

her over my beloved Captain America, but I think

for it to take vengeance upon myself, I'm going

to vote against her here. No, but I think Abe

Lincoln is just such an iconic person in all

of history. Just the great things he's done.

Like Greg said, the man has a ginormous statue

in Washington of him. Just the impact was felt.

throughout the nation, throughout the world,

so to speak, sort of setting an example. I think

those accomplishments are greater than, yeah,

I know Peggy Carter has participated in the saving

of the world. I think Abe Lincoln was a big part

of saving the world from some really dark times.

So I'm going to go with Mr. Lincoln. Greg, do

you agree with Chuck or are you going to go with

Peggy Carter? Yeah, I'll go with Chuck, I guess.

I have really no idea what to do here. Another

pretty random matchup. I know. I feel like I

shouldn't move Abraham. I should try and eliminate

the actual people just to make it easier in the

last rounds, but that wouldn't be very... very

kosher to to the game where I got going here

um so yeah I'm gonna go with Abraham Lincoln

he's he's just done a lot more even though he's

not physically probably as badass as Peggy that's

not like a sexual thing that's just like She

can definitely kick a lot more ass than Abraham

Lincoln, but he's Abraham Lincoln has enabled

freeing people and stuff like that. So I'm going

to go with Lincoln and he got shot in the back

of the head and survived. Didn't he survive for

a little bit before he passed away? He did. He

didn't. He didn't die. That's badass. And I mean,

don't forget, Abraham Lincoln has been documented.

He has fought vampires, so. Let's not forget

that part of his character. And so that, I mean,

that's a huge, huge element. He can wield that

axe like no one. And he is a pretty formidable

foe. There's actually a great movie called Young

Mr. Lincoln, where you see a young Lincoln, obviously.

And he's kind of a cocky, more arrogant, but

certainly one of the toughest guys in the entire

state that he is hiding in. People are pretty

much scared of him because he's such a formidable

person. So because of that, I'm going to go with

Lincoln as well. which actually sends up a pretty

awesome matchup for next round which is what

i thought kind of might happen when we put this

together so i'm kind of glad to see it actually

is taking hold but before we get that we have

this matchup which we have two comic book characters

going against one another and we have rick grimes

from the walking dead against Wonder Woman from

DC. I've been going Grimes pretty much the whole

time and also Wonder Woman for the most part

so it's kind of tough but the part I'm thinking

of here is that Rick Grimes also has a huge amount

of mental instability when it comes to comes

to him. For a great part of the TV series even

at least he almost becomes a detriment to the

entire group he's in because he he loses his

grip of reality and sees his wife and it's he

almost like becomes like unable to recognize

anything that's going on he becomes kind of whiny

in some ways and Because of that it's the other

characters really that are the ones that ended

up Allowing the group to defeat the governor

It's really like he has to kind of get a kick

in the butt to get over himself and realize what

he needs to do And it's really a son Carl who

really steps up to the plate and does what needs

to be done So because of that because of his

mental instability at times and the fact that

he's actually You know hurt his team in an occasion.

I want to go and say Wonder Woman is the bigger

badass Chuck I'll move on to you next. Who do

you feel is a bigger badass Wonder Woman or Rick

Grimes tough matchup, but Two pretty good comic

characters here. I'm gonna go Wonder Woman as

well. I think Like you bring up a lot of good

points about Rick being a detriment to his team

at times but also I really liked your point about

the his mental instability because I feel like

Wonder Woman is very Decisive and she's very

adamant about where she stands on certain things

and Knowing that sort of having everything preset

you know going into battles and different things

like she will stand up for what she believes

in and she has she is perfectly mentally stable

and I think that has sort of an inherent badass

to it like that she's willing to stand her ground

on the same things every time and I don't know

I just think she's she's uh she's got it going

on you know Greg does she have it going on or

is Rick Grimes really the bigger now? I definitely

think you guys made some great points with his

mental stability. So I will also go for I Can't

wait to the Wonder Woman TV series comes out

and that's it Alright, so this is gotta be this

matchup actually all that randomness I think

it's gonna pay off for this really cool matchup

and who is the bigger badass general George Patton

or Abraham Lincoln I mean, come on now, that's

that's that's a conversation we all wanted to

have as kids, right? I mean, but Greg, you had

the last time, so I'll start with you here. Who's

going to be facing off against Wonder Woman in

the finals? Should it be Patton? Should it be

Lincoln? I think it should be Patton Lincoln.

Yeah, Malcolm Lincoln. So difficult. I'm gonna

go with this noise until I figure it out. Uh,

I'm gonna go with, uh, Patton, because he was

actually in there leading his men into battle

on the front lines, about to get killed every

two seconds. Well, not every two seconds, but

you get exaggerated, but you get what I'm saying.

So I'm going to go with Patton. Chuck, are you

putting Patton onto the next round or are you

throwing a vote towards Lincoln? Super, super

tough match up here. Uh, wow. Talking about two

historic icons in US history Boy, I guess the

only thing that I can sort of think of right

now is that Patton sort of Sort of fought his

battles with a certain aggressiveness and assertiveness

and he had his very Very rough and tumble way

about him to get things accomplished, you know

a lot of tough love A lot of anger, possibly,

I guess. I look at Lincoln and how he got things

accomplished. Very soft spoken, so to speak,

but also very heavy and very important with his

words. Fought his battles with his speeches very

much so. And I think just sort of having that

calm and collected nature, so sure of himself

and what he was doing. I think... I think he

accomplished more with with the less he sort

of took the road less traveled and and sort of

took the badass way of accomplishing things.

And I think he was a little bit bigger influence

in what he did. So I'm going to I'm going to

vote Abe here. Man, man. All right. Living it

down. That's the only reason Jack did that. How

does it feel? It feels I mean, you made a great

point last to the fact the fact that Patton's

vehicle is a tank kind of badass. Look at the

opening to Pat and that that speech hugely inspirational

Definitely badass, but I think the one huge badass

quality Lincoln had that maybe Patton didn't

was patience considering in understanding like

being able to be selfless when he needed to be

and Because of that because like he I think Lincoln

looked at the whole picture or maybe a little

bit more and was Just as inspirational as Patton,

but maybe a little bit more compassionate, which

I guess maybe badass would be more Patton though,

because maybe it's more badass to be tough love.

It's tough, but I don't know. I think Lincoln

would not fuck if he was to face off against

Patton. You know, I think history shows he obviously

was hated, but still did what he needed to do

and And like again like we do with the fact that

we have information that Lincoln may have fought

vampires I mean that story came from someplace.

It wasn't all fictional But it's it's tough Pat

and Patton is certainly there but I think some

of the points Greg you made up the beginning

about him almost like Like I feel like Winklin's

probably a little bit more respected and more

inspiring and where Patton could be a little

bit more harsh and a little bit too too over

-the -top Occasionally with some people so because

of that it's tough. It's it's harder Maybe I'm

not technically looking at badass and looking

at different things, but you know, whatever it's

Lincoln He's on the penny. That's pretty badass

and the $5 bill The $5 bill is definitely more

badass than a penny And I mean it like he has

that look though Let's also look at the fact

that Lincoln has that statue and look at like

look at him sitting there He looks like a badass

in that chair. Like it's he's just like, you

know hanging out in his pimp chair So I'll go

I'll go that's the plus That's the first thing

that the apes altered in the plane of the apes

when they you know, they redid that So that leads

up to one of the most Random final matchups for

this bracket to go up against rocket raccoon

and that is who's a bigger badass wonder woman

or or Abraham Lincoln and and this is this is

tough and obviously you go a real -life person

fictional character, but I think this is the

time I'm gonna go fictional character because

Look at Wonder Woman in her fictional world.

She's a leader. She's inspirational, but she's

also on there on the battlefield on fighting

foes going up against gods and doing all that

whilst being being the leader of these of a group

of people and Because of that and the fact that

she has to rebel against some of her mother's

wishes at times And because like she's kind of

got everything going for her So be I'm gonna

go Wonder Woman and say she's a bigger badass

than Abraham Lincoln Which is something I thought

I would never say in my life, but there's a first

time for everything Greg I'll move on to you

next. Who do you think is a bigger badass Wonder

Woman or Lincoln? Yeah, I'm going to go kind

of with the same argument that I had with Patton.

She's on the front lines. She's always risking

her life where Abraham Lincoln was kind of when

he got into the White House was kind of protected

and had a kind of manicured lifestyle at the

White House. So I'm going to go with. Wonder

Woman who I agree with a lot of the other stuff

that you said in this this round So I'm also

going to go with Wonder Woman Alright Chuck moving

on to you. I mean you tech we technically have

two votes for Wonder Woman, but I mean it's been

tough I could definitely be swayed. I'll put

that out there if I hear a good argument I might

be able to fill a vote towards Lincoln and be

the first time in my life where I'm little literally

able to vote for Lincoln But who is the bigger

badass Abraham Lincoln or Wonder Woman? I guess

what I'm thinking of here is sort of Wonder Woman

has the ferocity, the tenacity of a Patton. She's

sort of the female version of him, but without

the drawbacks that we cited for General Patton.

So I feel like for that reason and I feel so

bad. Picking a fictional character over a real

person, but I'm gonna go with under women as

well to be fair It's not like yeah, you know,

it's we're not voting over who's more important,

right? Definitely Lincoln, but the badass the

you know ferocious badass. I'm going Wonder Woman

So we have DC versus Marvel in our final. It's

interesting last year We had Thanos and Adrian

Peterson going up against one another this week

this year. We have Rocket raccoon versus which

one of these people will be the child Full of

love at least this time we don't have to worry

about any of these characters getting arrested

rocket rocket well depends who writes it actually

All right, so Chuck you ended last time we'll

start with you here Who is it's been a while

since we talked about rocket raccoon so it's

but he's been kind of waiting around, you know

Just chilling out suddenly an Amazon comes and

he has to compare his badass cred Who is the

the badass champion for 2015 Wonder Woman? Rocket

rectangle if you're gonna if you're gonna pick

a matchup that would that would be so close With

two similar characters. I mean this would be

it and in my mind like wow This is just really

really close. This is neck and neck here Wow,

I look at these two characters Sort of very similar

in the in the stories that I've read now I'm

not thinking of like the old -school Wonder Woman

because she can get tied up like no tomorrow

But she was very good at that. But I'm talking

about the more she was the original 50. She was.

But I'm talking the more modern Wonder Woman

and some of the newer stories where she is quite

badass. Wow. I don't know. I'm trying to think

of sort of some of the things that we said about

Rocket in the last, you know, in the last episode.

Some things that come to mind, we talked about

the fact that he's going against Celestial level

foes. He is ferocious. He, you know, he has to

be a badass all the time. He's always this little

runt that's disrespected, so he always has to

put on that badass credibility in order for people

to kind of not trump him or try to take advantage

of him. So he definitely has huge guns and is

not afraid to use them. So he definitely does.

That's some of the stuff I'm thinking we talked

about last week. Yeah, for sure. And I know...

I know you mentioned that point where he sort

of consistently has to prove himself because

of his size and you know people take him seriously

and obviously he's gained a reputation over the

years but if you sort of if you don't look at

that you look at people that haven't come across

him but I think one woman has sort of that same

quality as well because she's sort of you know

she's living in a man's world where and she comes

from a place where They believe in the foolishness

and the arrogance of mankind. So she's sort of

living in this world where no one's taking her

as seriously as some of the male superheroes,

but she more often than not outshines her male

counterparts and consistently proves them wrong.

So I think she sort of has that same quality

as Rocket. And I think the only thing that...

is my deciding factor right now, and I could

be swayed, but if you guys decide to go another

way, but I think what I'm looking at is we talked

about Rocket Raccoon being sort of an engineered

soldier, sort of created, experimented on, things

of that nature, where as Wonder Woman, she has

trained her whole life, really hardcore, intense

training to perfect her... her athletic ability

of her body to perfect her fighting skills, just

the sheer grit and determination for enduring

that training over the years and having the will

to keep moving forward and bettering yourself.

I gotta give Wonder Woman the edge for that.

So Wonder Woman is my vote for 2015 Badass. All

right, a lot of good points there. Greg, are

you going to agree with him or are you going

to make things difficult for me and make me decide?

Go with Rocket Raccoon. Well, here's the thing

with Rocket Raccoon. I feel like if Rocket Raccoon

and Wonder Woman met, Rocket Raccoon would show

no fear and completely hit on Wonder Woman and

try and take advantage of that. Even if he was

going to get punched his face, he would be Determined

to get with Wonder Woman. So I think Facing something

like that. I I give it to Rocket Raccoon because

that is definitely pretty pretty scary Alrighty

Wow, so hmm, I guess I am the ultimate deciding

factor this this year and Last year was Chuck

and he should process all by going Adrian Peterson

This year, I don't know, because I've been voting

for both of these characters. And trying to find

some flaws in Wonder Woman's badass cred. Part

of it, I don't know a great deal about her. I

mean, I'm not as versed in her as I am Rocket

Raccoon. But one thing that keeps sticking in

my head is actually a comment that was made on

last episode post asking, would Rocket Raccoon

be as big of a badass if he did not have Groot

on his side? Knowing that he's there to kind

of protect him. It's a good question to ask.

He's not I'm technically roots not always there

There's occasions where Groot is demolished and

destroyed and gone for a few a few issues But

you know, he definitely is his protection flash

house So do you have that? But I mean you do

have a good point though that he has no fear.

So does so does So does Wonder Woman I'm thinking

of the Justice League doom storyline or what?

Babylon in the comics where? What was her biggest

weakness was the fact that she was just fighting

to the bitter end where they had to use that

Against her like that was her weakness was there's

a determination. That's Insane when you think

about it Superman's weakness is a shiny rock

Batman's weakness is that he's a pansy. No, not

really. I don't know what Batman's weakness is.

He I don't know So the only chunk I could think

of is maybe like he he and he was like we I mentioned

last week Went in the final that he was manufactured

like he maybe a lot of those abilities were given

to him not earned It's tough. It's I really want

to go rocket raccoon, but I can't think of a

legitimate argument to say Or a full argument

to say that wonder woman isn't a badass for whatever

reason I can't maybe there's one out there. I

can't think of it and I'm running out of time

because Because as we as we all know these are

timed episodes. We only have certain amount of

stuff with the filibuster, Dan I Feel like I

feel like mr. Smith goes to washington old school

reference, but no I'm gonna it pains me as a

marvel guy is a guardians of gar a galaxy fan.

I'm not even big wonder one fan, but Have to

admit I got I got nothing in this one. So I have

to give it to Wonder Woman and make her the 2015

Badass champion for talking in circles and geocast

radio Which is not at all what I expected not

at all what I expected a rocket raccoon He he

fought a very tough fight, but he lost to a great

foe and you know the Amazon warrior in herself,

so I don't know any anything else before we end

completely end the badass bracket for 20 that

was exhausting Like people wanted us to do 64

Chuck they wanted us to do double I know but

like look at these look at this cast of character

that took like 95 % of my brain power just to

get through this The other 5 % was breathing

and thinking about food I'm just glad that nothing

this champion can't do anything horribly negative

and in the last year, you know Maybe after the

movie comes out. It'll be like awful and she'll

be really bad. It'll be like the cat woman But

yeah, it's fun. It was it was it was a good time.

We hope you guys enjoyed it I hope you guys enjoyed

listening to it, but we'll be sure to do it again

next year I know some people ask to do it more

often and I don't know I think it's a little

bit more special when we only do it once a year

It makes a little bit more unique and I don't

know if my brain can plus it's it's kind of a

giant production between you finding clips to

put in and me finding pictures to make the the

bracket itself and it does take quite a bit of

Time up during the podcast We do have limited

schedules here Yeah, yeah, so I mean, I'm glad

people love it. Yeah, great. I appreciate the

feedback, but it makes a little bit more special

I think if we did too much it'd be it would it

would it would lose that that that interesting

but I said there are episodes like versus on

GeekCastRadio .com that do similar things and

if you're at all interested in this definitely

check that out, but We do like to end each episode

with a letter and Greg, you have a letter for

this. Yes, I do. Why don't you turn a couple

pages from my doodlings here and I will start

reading. OK. Dear comic consumers, fans or whomever

finds this relevant. As a lot of you may know,

there has been a huge controversy controversy

this past week in the world of comics. Yes, this

has to do with the. with Batgirl number 41 variant

cover. Hopefully I can get Dan to link to it.

That has to do with Batgirl in her current costume

being casually restrained by the Joker. He has

a gun in one hand that lays casually off her

shoulder. The other hand paints a Joker's grin

on Batgirl as a single tear comes from her eye.

Joker wears his tire from The Killing Joke by

Alan Moore. Killing Joke is where Barbara Gordon

is shot and is stuck in a wheelchair as a result.

Apparently there was some implied sexual assault

that I never really picked up on reading the

story. This cover has brought back a controversy

that came from The Killing Joke. The horribleness

of assaulting sexual and otherwise, which as

we all know is horrible. Guess what people? Horrible

things happen every day and stories reflect life.

So we will have stories with horrible situations.

These stories aren't real. They are for amusement

and to teach a lesson like don't shoot someone.

Don't put your clown dick where it doesn't belong.

Joker is a villain. He has been established as

that since day one. Guess what? You should have

learned a long time ago. Don't do what the villain

does. As for Rafael Albuquerque, Albuquerque,

I guess his last name is, I'm sorry if I mispronounced

it, stopping the cover from being used. He was

the artist behind it. It's his cover. It's his

decision for whatever reason. I also find it

understandable that they don't want to use this

cover because it doesn't fit this current runs

tone. I guess that's all I have to say about

that sounding like Forrest Gump signed Greg,

but I also have a PS. I emailed Raphael to see

if I could buy that drawing. I really thought

it was a great cover. Joker coming out of the

shadows, putting his arm around Batgirl and everything.

I thought it was a great looking cover and I

was really interested in it. So I asked if there

was a chance to buy it, but I have not heard

back from him so far. If I do get an email from

him, I will let you guys know. I didn't hear

about this until I saw your email regarding it,

or your information that you're writing about

it, and I looked it up. I guess it makes sense

if that's what the person who wrote it didn't

want to do. It's a touchy subject, so I can kind

of see both sides. Yeah, I can too. It's just

at the end of the day it ... is a comic book.

It's about stories. It's a good thing that it

does bring up the discussion, but at the end

of the day, I think it's a no -brainer. This

is a story. You shouldn't do this terrible stuff.

Use your brain. You don't hurt other people.

don't get the fact that they're saying that it

shouldn't be represented because it just brings

up this opportunity. So I think they do need

to do these types of artwork that is thought

provoking. These things do need to come out.

And at the end of the day, it is just a story.

It's not actually happening to anybody. Nobody's

actually being hurt at the end of the day from

this. If somebody is claiming that they're doing

things because of this, they're just a bunch

of assholes that can't use their brain properly

at the end of the day, to be quite honest. If

you have a different opinion, let us know. I

could definitely see it both ways, though, but

I can definitely see it. Center seems a little

bit is difficult. I guess part of it I guess

DC said that they don't want to approach their

that subject Yeah, that's another fine reason

to not do it. They just don't want to and at

the end of the day it is their character Yeah,

I mean, I don't I agree with you. I think fiction

in itself should Approach difficult topics. So

I don't think it's if the idea is no fiction

shouldn't then I'm against it But yeah, I mean,

there's I think a lot there's a huge train you

can go down with with that one So at least it's

this decision made by the guy who did yeah, I

could definitely see how it's a touchy subject

but um just to make a comic sort of reference

And it actually was from DC, which, you know,

I think it was, I believe it was back in the

90s. One of their characters, Elongated Man,

his wife, Sue Dibney, was raped by Dr. Light,

the villain Dr. Light. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that was a source of... hatred for that character

for a long time, not only by fans, but like the

other members of the Justice League. And, you

know, there were there were some members that,

you know, got a hold of him and literally like

beat the shit out of him, like two of an inch

of his life. So it's, you know, it's interesting

that they sort of are taking this stance now

when they have they've had things with that and

in the past. But I definitely see how it's a

difficult topic and everything, but. Yeah, we

can even talk about like Hank which is not maybe

as severe but Hank Pym and you know The Ultimates

or with his history and stuff like that. So it's

definitely a topic that's been approached in

In comics and fiction before so it is I'm curious

I mean, I guess maybe since it's such an iconic

storyline that it's going against maybe it's

could be I'm not I'm not up and I'm not in in

the world of DC enough to really really Explain

where it's coming from. So But anyways, we would

love to hear your thoughts on that or the badass

bracket or anything we talked about today. And

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Twitter names? I am at heroicagechuck. And I

am at thecreateforge. But anyways, that'll be

it for us for this week. We'll be back next week

same time same channel same podcast feed But

for now, this has been Chuck. This has been Greg

or our badass Wonder Woman And this has been

Dan and we've been talking in circles, we'll

see you next week So I just wonder how much crap

gonna get from all the fanboys of Abraham Lincoln

about him I don't know if we're going to worry

about that. We have probably people listening

that are so young and they're probably like,

who's Abraham Lincoln? And I hope people not

that young aren't listening to this or whatever.

Yeah, after the clown day comments. I want to

see them go up to some town and ask what that

was. Is that white too? Like the rest of his

skin? It was pasty white, but then I was gonna

say that he has a pipe at the end with the slit

that's like a little red line there to do a little

joker smile. This is how I pictured it, and then

he has hairy green cubes. Yeah, the green p -