Catching Up on Jessica Jones, Flash, Arrow, and Trailers

Hey, this is Steve blue and you are listening

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And this is Dan. podcast that is not dead but

still alive. We have come back after quite a

little bit of hiatus. We had some technical issues

with my computer. We had the top 100 going on

so it was kind of crazy but we are back and better

than ever as here today looking to talk to you

about an assortment of stuff, catch up on what

we missed. It's a got a jam -packed episode for

everyone for this week but before we get to all

that I usually say, how's your week been going?

But it's been like three weeks since we podcast.

So how's things been going for you guys? How's

your month been going, I guess? How's your month?

Good month. You got a good month. Yeah, you know,

November is always a good month. Definitely one

of my favorite holidays with Thanksgiving. It's

such a great holiday. I mean, think about it.

Eat a ton of food, watch football and fall asleep.

That's literally all you have to do. That's Thanksgiving.

No, that's a scary movie, too. Oh, OK. But yeah,

Thanksgiving was awesome. Although it was kind

of tough because, as I usually do, I had two

dinners, but this year they were like even closer

together. Oh, nice. So, oh, my gosh, I was in

so much pain after the second time because I

kind of like went overboard on the first meal.

Like, you know, you go in there and you're like,

OK, I have to limit myself because I have to

be ready. eat the second meal but everything's

just so good and you just kind of give into that

you're like oh man you'd have a little bit more

a little bit more and then by the second meal

you know i'm eating like little tiny pieces of

stuff but i was so like so much pain that night

so the meal's not over when i'm not hungry the

meal's over when i'm when i hate myself Right.

I was eating dessert at like 930 at night because

that's how long it took me to think get better

Or I was just continuously eating. I just never

stopped, you know Greg how's things going with

you? Pretty good. Pretty good. Apparently I've

aged significantly since we've last talked I

look like an old person and I feel like an old

person because I just I smell like marbles. Marbles

and death, that's kind of, yeah. Don't go dying

on me. But I actually have gotten my first pair

of glasses ever. Yeah, I get to use them for

reading comic books, graphic novels, regular

novels, all the fun literary stuff that I do

and also working on the computer. And also labels

on blood pressure medication. Yes. My dad didn't

have to get glasses until he was 45. I'm getting

them at 30. Maybe it's because I I stare at a

screen for eight hours a day at work. I don't

know. Man, yeah. I'm getting older with you,

though, because, like, I actually got upset that

I missed an episode of Jeopardy. Like, that's

how old I am. Just the fact that you watch jeopardy.

I know and we'll afford And we'll force back

to back. It's it's an action -packed. Oh my god

night Yeah, well, you know I get home around

like seven o 'clock or so. We don't have cable

anymore. So Really just throw something on the

TV cuz really, you know getting ready putting

everything together So you really throw jeopardy

on and I've been watching it for the month of

Jeff for the last month and they had like the

tournament of champions and They had this guy

on it who was like Imagine Sheldon Cooper, but

instead of being lovable. He was like you replace

that with douchebaggery That was like this guy.

He was just so awkward and weird and he would

yell and like yes at things and he just seemed

like He just seemed like I just really just did

not like him at any point in my life I'm like

I'm rooting against this guy and he was in the

championship round and I really wanted to see

him lose and Because it was like the champions

of champions or whatever and I missed the episode

But I was happy that he ended up losing but he

was he was quite the quite the character Hey,

I will say jeopardy is quite fun when you're

actually getting the answers to questions, right?

Because you feel really smart like well like

I just got like six jeopardy questions, right?

Like I could totally have like $12 ,000 I was

actually at my grandmother's and she had it on

and The two questions that I saw were about podcasting

really Yeah, they had a question about um crap.

What's his name? I had trouble coming up with

his name, but it was the question was like or

the answer was this Podcast has a famous host

and the name of the podcast is and I forget the

name of it But it was the dude who was the aflac

duck for a while problem child Yeah, yeah, yeah,

so I was surprised they had a category about

That's okay. They had a category today about

Chevy Chase and what was really funny about it?

It was like no one would pick it They wouldn't

pick it till the very end when they had no other

choice I'm like that's that's kind of funny funny

if any of Bill Murray was playing because he

hates them Realize you lose if you don't select

one of these answers. Yeah Yeah, that's so I'm

all there with you. But yeah, I also had a nice

Thanksgiving dinner this first time we stayed

in Baltimore for Thanksgiving It was just timing

wise. It just was too much that the leaf So it

was nice not to have to drive on Thanksgiving

for the first time in my lifetime Like even since

I was little we've always would travel on Thanksgiving

So it was weird just like not going anywhere

and then just watching the news talk about people

traveling I'm like at least I'm not doing that

this time. So it was nice You didn't have to

channel your inner John Candy and Steve Martin.

No, no. I do that anyways, but I just got to

stay home and watch the movie instead instead

of actually trying to live it. Nice. Planes,

Chains, and Audible Bills. Classic. I've actually

never seen that movie. Really? Oh, man. You're

missing out. Really? Wow. It's the best Thanksgiving

movie ever. That is a funny movie. Yeah, it's

the best Thanksgiving movie ever and probably

the only one that exists so everything else is

Christmas But the good thing about staying home

for the holidays is a few things I actually got

to watch some TV and I know Greg you also watched

a little bit this as well and that's the I think

you're ahead of me with the the man in high castle

show on Amazon Yes, I am slightly ahead of you

by one episode But the man in the high castle

a very very interesting concept going on kind

of a kind of in my wheelhouse of things that

I like history big history nut as as are you

Dan and Well, no, thanks. Thanks for putting

me on the spot there with That question though

trying to trick me. But also something we're

both interested in is kind of like what if storylines

or alternate history and that's what this is.

It has to deal with what happens if the Axis

powers won World War II and had control of America.

The Nazis have control of the East so that would

be all of us here. You would all be under Nazi

control. Or if you're over on the West Coast,

you're controlled by the Japs. And then in the

center is apparently neutral territory. And it

has to deal with groups of different people that

are set up in this regime. You've got politicians

from both sides. You've got spies, you've got

somebody who's just kind of Coming into a spy

role, I guess you would say without revealing

too much And somebody who just kind of gets stuck

Being a spy kind of randomly, I guess you would

say I was kind of like Will Smith an enemy of

the state or whatever just but being in the wrong

place at the wrong time, I guess. Yeah, and so

it's very good so far. And I found out that it

was actually based on the writings of Philip

K. Dick, who, if you're a big science fiction

nerd, you know a lot of his stuff has been made

into movies already, like Total Recall. Arnold

Schwarzenegger version not that other one He

had nothing to do with the other one minority

report paycheck Crap Blade Runner is that what

you're thinking of Blade Runner? Yes. Thank you.

I kept was reversing it my head for some reason

but yes, he's uh Was the the guy that wrote a

do electric or do androids dream of elect? Trick

Sheep, which is Blade Runner, of course. And

so it's kind of a departure, I think, from his

normal affair, at least so far, because I don't

think I've ever seen anything as historically

based as this is. He definitely does deal with

kind of politics in a fun way in all of his stories

and everything, but... but this one I think is

more uh closer to like a historical take than

anything I've ever seen them do even though it's

an alternate history but a lot of it's based

off of past events there is like a Kind of a

science fiction element possibly in the background

I guess like after the first episode they kind

of reveal in the first episode They reveal something

that makes you wonder like what exactly is going

on here Is it more than just like a what -if

story? Is there some sort of other element to

it? Which has me curious like that's probably

like my biggest question right now. Like what

is that mystery? It's very it's very meta Guess

you would say it was this this book I guess was

meta before meta existed in the Cultural realm

I guess you would say usually Phil K Dick is

very new Irish with his movies because you know

think of Blade Runner and Minor report they usually

have a crime element. That's not as necessarily

in this there's spying going on But I do like

there's a lot and I only watched the first two

episodes and I think you're the first three So

still a bunch to go go through I want to watch

more. It's just finding the time. Oh, I do too

I mean, it's hard to find the time in which we

how is the the intro with a device? Oh my goodness,

it is the intro is how creepy is Edelweiss they

sing at the beginning super creepy We're watching

it actually for Thanksgiving and we had family

down They're like now this song is ruined for

us forever because we can't can't enjoy it anymore

Yeah the one creepy thing Involved in the story

that I found so far not that it's not all creepy

since it has to deal with Nazis and brutal murders

of people is the fact that they they brought

up the fact that that they are killing Jews and

undesirables. It was mentioned as one of the

spies was going west towards the neutral zone

and he got pulled over by a Nazi cop and they

start discussing things. And then all of a sudden

it starts to snow while he's having a sandwich.

And so you see all this snow falling, but it's

actually. Ashes coming from the local hospital

of them burning all the Jews and mentally handicapped

this just random Tuesday. Yeah that they Get

rid of people. It was a very creepy scene to

me. Yeah, because it's like this, you know middle

Midwestern guy Being like super nice. It'd be

like a character right out of any Griffith, but

he's wearing a Nazi uniform Oh, yeah, and then

it's like It's you have that going on. It's so

it's so it's so weird. It just feels wrong. You

know, it's like seeing All this happen, but it's

it's intriguing in that way because it's like,

okay What's what's going and as you know, like

you mentioned someone who loves the what -if

stuff and the alternate universe stuff It's really

intriguing in that way and there's some other

things too that just have me wondering them Okay,

what's going on there like there? There's this

flight they take from, you know, New York to

LA and they do it in like three hours. And I'm

like, well, how do they do that with that type

of technology? So like what's going on here?

So I feel like they're, they're giving us breadcrumbs

into something that's more, more complicated.

And so I know some people have already finished

it, but I'm really looking forward to reading,

watching more of it. So I watched the pilot like

a year ago. And I was like, oh wow. Yeah, because

what amazon does is they release pilots They

actually just released their new pilots not too

long ago and people watch them and like based

upon How well reviewed they are they'll then

make series of them and man in high castle was

one of the most Well received last year. So that's

why I ended up leading to the series getting

made So it's kind of kind of cool what amazon

I think amazon's starting to catch up a little

bit with netflix with quality shows because they

have a few now it seems like but um Anything

else you want to talk about regarding man in

high castle? Would you would you overall say

like are you? Oh, yeah, I totally am it's it's

very dark creepy vibe that you expect from a

show where these two Villainous states have have

taken over America when it was wholesome and

awesome. So it definitely gives you this creepy

vibe and there's definitely with this package

that they're both carrying definitely adds An

awesome vibe in the background of what is actually

going on here. That's Leaves you unsettled. Yeah.

I I'm wondering like how they're like I'm gonna

keep seasons of this like, you know, what's the

ultimate goal? They're gonna be a lot of you

know, like Do you think they're gonna have a

planned ending for? This show the series I think

you would have to and especially think with Amazon

you have a better chance of doing that because

you don't have to worry about Ratings for the

most part, you know, if Amazon's happy with it

and they can probably finish it the way they

want to and it's getting great reviews and I

mean, I don't know how I don't know how they

rate their shows download wise but I would assume

it's getting a second season if the plan if that's

the plan but yeah, I would definitely recommend

it and hopefully I'll be finishing it soon, but

I like a lot of people watch a lot of Jessica

Jones and we'll hold off on talking about that

right now, but Maybe we'll talk about it later

down the road. I don't know if you guys unless

you guys wanted to talk about it a little bit

or I Haven't even touched upon it yet. I haven't

really gotten to it I'm planning on it, but I

just haven't gotten to it. I've seen three three

episodes is all That's all I've been able to

muster so far, but uh, I will say I'm not liking

it as much as I did dare daredevil so far But

you know, we'll see where it goes. Maybe it'll

get better. I I still think I like daredevil

more but I ended up really really liking it I

did I did finish the series we can probably be

when they do a whole podcast on it if possible

My wife actually liked it more than I did. So

it's it's very it's so much almost not a superhero

show at all and a lot of ways but I do I do love

how the They treated Jessica Jones and purple

man is a freaking amazing villain as it goes

on so it hit he and William Fisk are kind of

like moving them ruling the Marvel world right

now when it comes to being great villains because

they're they're really making up for what the

movies are lacking but The one show I didn't

want to talk about before we get into the trailers

that everyone's talking about Is another show

again on another Netflix show actually, it's

Masters of Masters of None the Aziz Azari show

And I know Greg, you know series Azari from Parks

and Rec. Mm -hmm He is on Netflix. I watched

the few first few episodes it's it's kind of

hard to Explain exactly what it is. It's almost

like a Male version of that show girls on HBO.

Maybe I don't know It's kind of like comedy drama

per se each episode has like a kind of a different

topic it focuses on from Once on parents once

on like the decision of having kids. It's kind

of this mid 20, you know Someone around our age

30s or so guy living in New York City Trying

to become an actor and the kind of life he lives

and with his friends. It's it's funny. It's a

good It's really it's a 20 -minute comedy that

Izzy Zazari really seems to be dialed down a

little a lot because I know he can be kind of

like a lot to take at times he can be super energetic

and a little bit much but in this he's really

more relatable he My favorite episode so far

was the episode about his parents and it was

him and his friend who's also who's Asian and

like they kind of had this Relationship they're

kind of discussing their relationship with their

parents and how they can't relate to them because

they grew up in the United States and the parents

came from these immigrant backgrounds and how

that like the struggles that they face there

and It was a quite a good episode. I actually

ended up liking it a lot I've watched like the

first five or six or so and you know, it's it's

a lot of fun It's funny not a lot of faces. You're

gonna recognize per se I would say mine is Isis

Azari, but it's quite good. I would I would recommend

it I mean, it's kind of Louie I guess in the

way it's following a comedian and his life day

in day out, but it's not I would say as a There's

like no necessarily no format to it. It's just

like, you know, this is the episode and we go

from there, but It's one of the better things

I watched this year Yeah, cool. Anything else

anyone want watcher Brad talks about before we

get into the trailers I'll just mention quickly

that uh, I was able to catch the big Arrow flash

crossover event that just happened this past

week. I'm so I'm behind I was that kind of upset

that I miss it I have to catch up with how was

it? It was it was really really cool. I enjoyed

it a great deal Obviously the the flash episode

came first because that's on Tuesday night and

the very next night the second half of it was

on the arrow show, but the flash one Was really

good. There was one part in it. That was sort

of corny for me, but Overall, it was really good.

But the the arrow episode which was the second

half of the event was Perfect. I thought it was

there was a lot of really cool stuff there a

lot of stuff happened and I was kind of Shocked

that it didn't seem overwhelming was like everything

happening like it actually kind of flowed fairly

well, so they introduced a new villain and He's

he doesn't get a ton of screen time but the Basically

the theory behind this villain is very interesting

and the unique challenges that he presents because

of his His powers and stuff like that. So it's

it's really really cool. And I love the way they

continue to use like flashes powers and even

the Special effects are still pretty good and

way better than Supergirl Yeah, yeah, I I didn't

I saw that the first episode I will say that

the writing in Supergirl is getting a lot better

But the effects are still horrible Every time

she flies it looks like she's suspended by cables

and it's in slow motion Like really you fly like

the same speed as Superman and you looks like

someone's like this old guy's wheeling you across

these cables like She's on one of those little

hoverboard things that they have. That's the

thing. But no, but I love the I love the stuff

where they're doing with the flash and like,

yeah, I'm not giving anything away here, but

like they they use the flash well, I think, like

with his personality, like they're touching on

his sort of like the way he jokes around and

kind of keeps the mood light in really tense

situations. It's very similar to like the Justice

League cartoon, Michael Rosenbaum voiced the

Flash. And it was like he was always cracking

a joke in the in the tensest of moments, you

know, just to keep it light and everything. And

that's kind of what they're like doing with the

Flash, especially in this crossover thing. And

it just it was kind of cool. Like, I don't know.

It just reminds you a lot of that cartoon and

also the comics a little bit. It I think it works

pretty well. So yeah i've been liking the flash

even like the most recent episode that the last

one I watched was actually the girl who got grod

episode And uh, I didn't like the one last season

but i'm kind of coming around to it a little

bit because I i'm still a little hesitant on

using girl woulda got it grod I don't think he

looks great in the show, but uh This time around,

he looked a little bit better, I thought. Yeah,

yeah. And I kind of liked where it like ended

up. I was like, OK, that's kind of funny. I'll

see how where this where this goes. Right. But

the the episode before that, the Zoom episode.

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I love that episode. And the

character is Zoom. And if you've watched the

episode, you already know he was like the most

terrifying villain I've ever seen. Yeah, like

it was unbelievable like the guy The guy that

voiced him is a candy man Really? Yeah. Yeah,

what's his name Tony something? Tony Bennett

Tony Blair, no, that's not it either. I can't

remember his last name soprano. No, I think it's

Tony Stark It's got to be Tony Stark you guys

so many people are screaming at their iPods right

now or whatever I didn't realize that tell you

in two seconds. I do have a theory. I'm almost

pretty certain I know who Zoom is you're supposed

to be I don't know if they've revealed it yet,

but I'm pretty I have some theories to like just

thinking Tony Todd that's his name. Sorry. Yeah,

there you go He's got one of those really deep

kind of like almost like a James Earl Jones voice

that's like raspy and he voices this thing and

like It's just so terrifying like it's more terrifying

than any horror movie villain I've ever seen

like they just did such a good job with this

character and it's just the way they did his

mask to like how like his whole face is covered

and He has those little slits over his mouth

kind of and he just has these black eyes like

Remember Quinn and jaws describing the shark.

He's got those black lifeless eyes. That's what

makes him seem like he's not human That's what's

so terrifying about him. But yeah, it was an

awesome episode. Yeah It was funny that you mentioned

the eyes because I saw it was something I don't

even know what it was but it was like an ad in

Facebook where it's like Zoom revealed and it's

like look at look at this the eyes of this character

compared to this character You can see that it's

actually it's actually come on Let's calm down.

Let's give it. Let's give it a second. Like it's

yeah Cool. Yeah. Yeah, I have my theories of

who he's gonna be I think, uh, I think he may

be one of the. One of the two father figures

that Barry has in his life. Yeah, because I,

I think that would be just like a gut wrenching

thing for him to go through, like if he finds

that out, you know what I mean? Yeah, that was

my thought. It would be that or let's say a true

reflection of himself. So, yeah. I thought that

too, but this guy looks like he has a bigger

body. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, it's like

Grant Gustin is like super skinny. Yeah. But

but yeah, the you know, that was great. And the

crossover was was really cool, too. They introduced

Vandal Savage and Hawkman and Hawkgirl, which

you're always a little skeptical when they introduce

characters like that. But I think it was it was

done well enough that it was, you know, better

than Supergirl. So especially especially Hawkgirl,

like the Hawkeye who have. The the weirdest their

Origins ever their yeah, it's always so confusing

too because they tried to do it in smallville

back in the day It's like can we simplify this

somehow like yeah Cartoon I forget I forget there

was hockey was Hawkeye in the cartoon or Hawkman

or whatever Seamus I think he was in he might

have been in unlimited That's when they started

bringing branching off into the some of the,

you know, B list characters. Cool. All right.

Well, the other thing we're going to touch upon

real quick. By the time this comes out, this

trailer will be long old, but we have to talk

about it. Plus it kind of ties into the next

trailer we'll get into. But the first trailer

for Captain America Civil War came out not too

long ago. Oh. So Chuck I'm guessing that's you

saying you you liked it Yes, he loved it. He

wants some more of it. He tries so hard can't

rise above it I don't know what it is about that

little guy. I don't know what it did with my

life without having Greg sing to me. I want some

more of it. Surprised Greg actually is singing

a country song here. Thank you. This is more

surprising than anything. I don't know why I

know that one so well, but I do. Wasn't it a

commercial? Am I wrong? No, I don't think so.

I just know it because I used to listen to that

one. It's a catchy tune. It's a catchy tune.

So Chuck, you approve of the Civil War trailer.

Yeah, I, uh, I definitely had a geek out moment

when I, when I watched that the one morning.

Um, I immediately sent it to some of my coworker

friends that are into the Marvel movies and stuff.

Like, stop what you're doing. Watch this right

now. Yeah. Marvel's just really, really good

at doing trailers. Usually, and especially like

the, the Captain America movies, like I know

we'll get into another franchise later on that

maybe isn't so good at doing trailers, but Marvel

has this way of showing you just enough to get

you extremely excited, but not giving away anything

too too revealing. But yeah, I was super excited

just to kind of get a glimpse of like how. This

is reflecting the Civil War story from the comics

because that's a story that I think we all loved

very much. And personally, it's probably my second

favorite story of all time behind Infinity Gauntlet.

So I'm really excited that they're doing both

of my favorite stories in the movies. They consulted

Chuck, that's how. Jim Starlin asked me, you

know, a couple of years ago at the Comic Con,

and I told him, these are the ones. But yeah,

I mean, and they obviously they changed the premise

a little bit to fit their universe, but I have

no problem with that. I think it works. I know

some people are complaining, like, you know,

I was just reading stupid comments and people

are like, it's not going to work. It's different

than the comics. I'm like, really? Like, it kind

of has to be because there's no secret identities

in this universe. So it's like, yeah. I think

the way they went about it really makes a lot

of sense. And it's it's something that obviously

would strike a chord with Captain America because

those personal relationship with Bucky and you

know, I think it's I think it's Very good idea.

So Greg thoughts on the Civil War trailer. I

Of course, I thought it looked really good. If

I don't say yes Marvel will Knock me off. They'll

revoke our sponsorship that we don't really have.

Yeah, actually we have a sponsorship with Arrow,

but I thought it was really, really well done.

It looked great. Can't wait to see more. Black

Panther looks awesome. I wasn't sure what you

would give his get -up. Do you think he looks

good? No, I think he looks great. I think that's

how he's... kind of supposed to look. I think

they did a good job making him look different

than Batman, which a lot of people confuse Black

Panther and Batman. Not any nerds, but like the

Mundis, the normal people. The laypersons? Yes,

they would. Totally be like, oh, that's Batman's

like simply to remember one guy his mouth and

chin is exposed. The other guy's not yeah Well,

I have people telling me that Batman or not Batman

a spider -man and Deadpool look Are exactly alike.

So Deadpool that's spider -man to some people.

Yes. Yeah, I've met people Apparently so yes

Man, you know what? It's not all superheroes

look alike. Come on now. Let's not be let's not

be so closed -minded but uh, it's funny because

with uh With the civil war in batman versus superman

trailers, uh, my wife's like why are all the

superheroes fighting each other? I don't get

it. They're supposed to be the same side. I'm

like, well It's complicated with batman with

a civil war. There's this registration act I

explained it all she's like I still i'm like

i'm just like you didn't need to do that. I'm

like i'm I'm sorry. It's you asked it's it's

the nerd of me. I I had to I mean, I I did really

like the trailer My only my only concern is that

they're not a huge concern. I did think some

of the action It's so early. So it's hard to

say if this will be the issue when it actually

comes out but some of the actions that look really

CGI ish like I'm thinking of like the opening

sequence in the age of Ultron where it looked

you look overly CGI like Which I'm not the fan

of because I what I loved about winter soldier

is like it felt like you were there like a lot

of the fights with the winter soldier bat rock

they were like very physical and hand -to -hand

and I didn't necessarily get that as much with

like the Iron Man versus in versus winter soldier

and Cap a little bit too much CGI there. I mean

it could be it's still early production So it

could be tightened up a little bit and look better

in within the film and there could be more scenes

I got the total opposite of that. I felt it was

very much like the Winter Soldier film with the

hand -to -hand combat. I thought they worked

in unison perfectly, tossing the shield back

and forth and catching up. I did look at that.

Did they work well together? I felt like I was

watching a CGI, unlike with the Winter Soldier

one, where it was them doing it for real. Now

watch Supergirl and you'll feel like you're watching

I did like that my other thought is I mean this

is hard to say but It does seem kind of small

Like scale wise like it doesn't seem like like

a lot of the battles seem kind of contained which

makes sense because there's not a huge amount

of characters So it's hard to kind of have a

huge like throw down with tons of different characters

and maybe you don't necessarily need that but

I am looking forward to I want I wonder if I

know spider -man's gonna be in it, but I doubt

he's gonna be in much of it I wonder if like

black panther is gonna play kind of like that

spider -man role where he's like in between both

sides I don't know if you saw they had It was

an entertainment weekly I forget but they had

a cover with iron man and America and black panther

was in the middle For some reason had a little

like quote on there that said meow. Yeah, that

was awful. I don't understand at all. It's a

panther. He's not a cat. I guess he is a cat,

but you know what I mean. He doesn't say meow.

That's really stupid. He's not a house cat. He

has not been trained. He's not appearing on Reddit

constantly. He's one of the few things. But I

am really excited for it. It looks like it's

going to be quite good. I think. I think Black

Panther kind of like when he comes into play,

I think it's because they're kind of like maybe

not trespassing, but for lack of a better word,

kind of trespassing on to Wakanda or something

like that, because you seen the in the one scene

when the when Cap jumps off of that Jeep and

busts through the window. That's like the. the

one like the Center for Infectious Disease or

something like that. It's in Africa. So you think

it may be like something happens where there's

like a threat that could be released on Wakanda.

So like Black Panther gets like gets involved

that way or something like that. And maybe he

doesn't want to get involved in the Civil War

thing because he doesn't live in the United States.

Do you guys think claw will make another appearance

in this movie like he did in the second avengers

movie? My guess is if he does it'll be like in

the end sequence, you know, like the secret scene

or something like that. I don't think he'll He

might I mean, I don't know they they made it

a point to cut his arm off in Age of Ultron,

even though that was that played into their continuous

Star Wars reference thing. But yeah, and even

though his part was so small, I really liked

him in that movie. Yeah. I like how he played

the cuttlefish. Yeah. I did. What do you think

about General General Ross that are both showing

up? I actually like that idea a lot because it

brings someone from. A much older movie that

like probably most people forgot about. It's

like, hey, remember me? That movie existed. Stop

trying to erase the memory of it. It's better

than people say it is. What was that, 2008? It

came out the same summer as Iron Man and Dark

Knight, so. Okay, yeah, so 2008. So it's been

at least seven years and I do like the idea because

I think a lot of elements from that movie are

kind of forgotten. Like I mentioned this before

too, like No one has ever mentioned Abomination

or where he's locked up at or anything like that

like it's never been referenced in any of the

other movies It's like here's this insanely powerful

villain that no one is even talking about You

have Thunderbolt Ross who would be who would

make sense and they're finally utilizing him

now as a an Enemy to these kind of vigilantes.

So I think it makes a lot of sense to bring him

in finally Hulk movie that he had it showed a

little bit of a relationship with Stark because

he got you know weapons from Stark in that movie

so that Yeah, yeah, and he also made Stark made

a appearance at the end of that one. So maybe

that will like well, I guess because I was regarding

the Avengers but I think my theory is because

there's a scene where there's like an explosion

it looks like it's explosion in some sort of

facility like a CIA or maybe shield headquarters

where that explosion happens and it gets kind

of pinged on Bucky and That's the reason they're

trying to arrest him would be might like the

focal point of why they're trying to arrest him

and I Know Baron Zeeman supposed to be in this

so maybe he's like the figurehead in the background

causing it all to happen. So Hope they do him

well and he becomes like another Loki in the

cinematic universe Where he's very popular like

they don't feel the need to let you know Kill

him off within the same movie that he you can

kind of just stick around, you know He's not

to be the guy that kind of they capture him or

he can kind of be in the background for a little

bit So that'd be my guess I just hope they don't

release a trailer saying showing us that at the

end of the fight between Captain America and

and and Iron Man that, you know, they stop fighting

each other to fight Baron Seymour. Like, hopefully

they don't release that trailer. Because, like,

who would release a trailer like that? Yeah,

I know. Why would you, you know, undermine the

entire title of your movie and kind of give away

the ending? That would be stupid. Yeah. I mean,

that would be ridiculous to do that. Who would?

No one would ever do such a thing in the history.

Anything else on Civil War before we go into

the Batman v Superman trailer? um what uh just

gonna I wanted to ask you guys crap What do you

guys think about Black Widow's position? Do you

think she'll be like a flip -flopper in this

or do you think she's definitively on Iron Man's

side in this? I'm guessing Greg would love it

to see Black Widow flip -flop if I'm not mistaken.

I think her heart is with Cap, but her duty is

duty. Her duty is with Iron Man. I think it's

gonna be something where it's like... She's she's

seen the other side of the vigilante ism or what

happens when people are run amok So that's why

she's sticking with Iron Man side. I Actually

think I'm gonna go on a bit of a limb. I think

she's gonna start off with Iron Man I think she's

actually gonna switch to cap side That's just

what I don't know why it's just a hunch that

I have but I think like Hawkeye's there I just

think she has too many ties with like Like Greg

said, her heart, I think, uh, eventually that'll

just kind of pull her in that direction. I don't

know. Uh, no, I'm not surprised. I was surprised

he wasn't in the trailer. Um, but, uh, no, because

like, Cap was against even his creation. So it

was like, you know, he didn't want to do it.

And, uh, You know, Thor didn't even want to do

it. He kind of did it accidentally, but. Just

like Thor being. Yeah. And plus the fact that

like, uh, Jarvis kind of merged with, um, you

know, the other system to create that I figured

he would kind of be with Tony. So that really

doesn't surprise me, but, um, you think I really

would like to know if, if they're going to sort

of, uh, imply anyone else taking a position like...

What was I gonna say? There was a couple of characters

that were left out that I was still wondering

about. Obviously Thor's not gonna get involved

and I think the Hulk's not going to either because

I think Hulk's gonna play a fairly big role in

Ragnarok, actually. That's what I've been seeing,

yeah. kind of teaming up in that movie, which

will be really cool in and of itself. But I think

I was kind of wondering if if they would introduce

Dr. Strange at all. I was just kind of curious

about that, like I think it's a little early

for Miss Marvel. Yeah, definitely. I don't think

they'll go into any inhuman stuff. I think that's

pretty much stranded on the TV show, but. I was

kind of wondering about dr. Strange. Like are

they gonna hint at him at all again? Are they

gonna? Introduce him at all, but I don't know.

I mean, I would probably guess not I think they're

probably it seems like the with the movie so

far that the only time they hint at characters

It would be like within you know, they talk about

them They'll mention them and maybe they'll show

them in like the end clipping or something like

that But they're using introduce one Are you

are you surprised? Yeah, I think the only one

that's gonna be introduced in this will probably

be spider -man in some capacity Yeah, are you

surprised at all that ant -man is with cap? No,

I don't think so. I think It kind of makes sense,

you know, he I would see him more likely being

on cap side than iron man side because you probably

I don't know I have nothing they really go off

of except for he was Seems like to be more on

the like going against the Registration type

of thing being a guy who's coming from jail and

right being more the Robin Hood type to begin

with Yeah, well the way I look at it is it seems

like everyone with a family to worry about is

on Cap's side You know what I mean like Ant -Man

has his daughter You know you have Hawkeye with

his hidden family that we kind of learned about

in Age of Ultron I don't know Scarlett, which

really has a family, but I guess her brother

died. So I don't know if that would make sense.

But, you know, Falcon is really good friends

with Cap and everything. So I don't know. I think

that's what kind of the way I was kind of looking

at it, because like, you know, Rhodey and Stark,

they didn't really mention any family for them

that I know of like in the movie. So and they're

more of like Well, roadie was more of a government

guy. That's that's another interesting thing,

too, that I actually read about this. The article

I was reading got a good point. Like, do you

remember in? The the early Iron Man movies like

the first one, the second one, he was so anti

-government. They they wanted his armor. He's

like, no, you can't have it. This is mine, blah,

blah, blah. Now, all of a sudden, he's totally

pro -government. Like, I feel like that's an

interesting. Transition for him. Yeah Do you

think there's gonna be an incident that causes

that or I've heard a lot of people saying it's

gonna be the Iron Man Hulk fight that's causing

the Reasoning for it or is there something else

that is the caveat to? Leading to the Registration

Act like there was in the Civil War comic where

they blew up the school or something like that.

I Don't know I'm really not sure because it's

like if you think about it like both of those

Characters Iron Man and Captain America have

totally pulled a 180 From their original appearance

like I already talked about Iron Man's cap was

like the biggest like brah -rah company man there

was you know spokesman for the military the government

and Now like they present these accords and he's

totally against it. Yeah, it's like both of these

characters have totally flipped which is really

interesting The Captain America first Avenger.

It's like, you know, his issue was he hated bullies

and in which soldier, right? He hated seeing

what was happening because it was With all the

shield, you know, it's it's fear. We'll forget

the exact line. So I Right. He was saying like

I thought the punishment came after the crime

This isn't freedom and I fear Tony Stark the

different that seems like the event that changed

it was him Almost dying and like him In the seeing

that other world and kind of realizing he's such

a small piece in this gigantic thing also also

something that could be a catalyst for Stark

is a Sort of the the dream sequence he had that

was given to him by scarlet witch where he saw

everyone dead around him And he felt incredibly

guilty for it So maybe that kind of does something

to him where? He's like, all right, we can't

just run around without any reins. We kind of

have to have some organization. And maybe he

feels like that'll kind of take some of the pressure

off of him or something if something were to

happen. Maybe that's kind of driving it. I don't

know. Any other thoughts on Civil War before

we move on to Batman v Superman? We have to I

think you want to come on you gotta you gotta

you gotta All right Do you want to start first

you wanna do you want to save you since I you

are the biggest Superman fan out of all of us

You guys can go first you mean I'm not the biggest

You might be after this I'm not seeing Superman

in these movies. Yeah, he seemed like a super

asshole kind of... Super asshole? Nice. That's

his new name, super asshole. It's an Elseworld

tale, you know? Yeah, super asshole. Super asshole

versus bad guy. What if Superman and Clark Kent

grew up with awful parents? This is what you

get, apparently. Yeah, he seems kind of like

a dick in this so far. So the actual trailer,

we... Clearly see a lot of changes are going

on with this movie, but D. Are you excited at

all for Batman v Superman? Dawn of acid Not really

no I have really no interest whatsoever the only

thing that really came out of a good out of this

for me But it's also a bad thing is That I know

I no longer Ben Affleck being Batman is no longer

a big concern for me because there's so much

other stuff that I feel is so wrong. So Ben Affleck

is the least of my concern to be quite honest.

I thought that how he did his voice was cool

until one part in the trailer where Wonder Woman

shows up and Superman goes, is she with you?

Oh, I thought she was with you and I'm like,

okay, it sounded so badass until he made a joke.

It sounded like Yeah, it felt totally weird with

it being a Batman B with that voice which I thought

was so awesome until he said that I'm like, okay

I don't like the voice anymore cuz like if they're

going that way it doesn't work with that line

like they have to cut that out of Do you want

him to use his regular voice when he's making

jokes? No, well, I don't know. Well, they all

know. Well, essentially, they all know who he

is since freaking Superman takes his cowl off

and stares at it for five hours back and forth.

That part, I think, is going to turn into a meme,

by the way, of him taking the... The hood the

cowl off Batman and then maybe he's like talking

to the cowl instead of Bruce Wayne hanging there

Wrapped up and look. Oh my god. I took your I'm

doing the Batman voice. I don't know what. Oh

my god. I took the Oh my god, the skin came off.

That is so weird or something like that Thor

is voicing Superman. Yes keep changing of the

different face Matt Damon and then it's like

Mark Hamill not Mark Hamill, but uh Michael Keaton,

they keep changing back and forth. I can see

different faces getting put in there, yeah. Part

of me wonders with this trailer is if there are,

because I remember with Man of Steel, there were

these sequences in the trailer, like, what's

going on here? And then they ended up being like

these dream sequences that happened. So I'm wondering

if that's happening here. Are there different

dream sequences that are occurring that we think

are real but are not? It's exact Snyder dreaming

that he could make a real movie about Superman

You know what I I made all the Watchmen fans

angry, so let's see if I can make all the Batman

fans angry I'll say this I'm gonna see it Maybe

not opening weekend. Yeah, but there are The

thing I hate about it the most and we kind of

talked about it already is that Lex Luthor It's

too much Like the entire premise of the movie

the entire premise of batman v superman It should

be batman v superman not really though like only

for only kind of Kind of sort of but you know

at the end. It's just why would you like the

entire? Premise like all this buildup was seeing

these two heroes go head -to -head and now we

know how it's gonna end Like how long would you

do that? That is insane to me. Why would you

ruin your? Everything the reasoning behind making

this movie with the trailer like this. It's ridiculous.

It's like it's it's it's almost like you have

to change the title now like it's like There

was a year of a year and a half of build -up

Batman vs Superman and now it's just ruined Because

it's like they should add instead of dawn of

justice. They should just write not really Man,

it's so that bugs me. Yeah, like Luther. I I'm

a Jesse Eisenberg fan. I was a defender when

he got when he got the part I'm like, he's gonna

be good. I'll be like Mike. Yeah He'll be like

just like Mark Zuckerberg, but it's like, oh,

no, he'll just be like Jim Carrey in Batman forever.

Apparently that's what he's going for I thought

he was going for um, what's his name Jean? Very

famous actor. He played Lex Luther Gene Hackman.

I thought he was going for Gene Hackman in the

original. I would be fine with that. But if he's

going for that, he's not getting it. I thought

he was going for the Joker. The first time he

speaks, I'm like, is he trying to be the Joker?

I don't understand. We got a lot of things and

none of them looks Luther. So I don't know that.

I don't. See, I thought I thought like he would

be. Okay, yeah, he's really young compared to

the other guys which Well, he looks young. I

don't know. He's actually Yeah, same age as Cavalier

at least but But like I thought they would do

like the same type of personality though It's

just like a little bit younger version, but it's

like, you know Lex Luthor is supposed to be cold,

brooding, calculated. He only speaks when he

has something important to say. He doesn't just

talk to crack jokes. That's not Lex Luthor. I

don't know. Yeah, and my issue isn't even that

it's not Lex Luthor. I thought it was bad. It

didn't work at all for me. Right. If you're going

to change it, at least do a convincing job, at

least let it be good, but it's not. And I'll

let you talk more about Superman, but even as

a non -Superman fan, I'm like, so many issues.

This is like the saddest Superman ever. Like

we said, it's the asshole Superman. And why does

Superman need an army? Like, why? Superman. Why

would he? And he gets bowed down too. That's

really bizarre. Well, if you look on the soldiers'

shoulders, there's like a, I think there's a

S symbol. Sorry, hope simple Like hooded soldiers

and all black so I get I party wonders if that's

some sort of like is that actually happening

if it's some sort of I Don't know weird trip

out moment. I mean that could be like a swerve

in that end, but still That could be like a like

one of Batman's dreams, like he's dreaming that,

because that's how he sees him. He sees him as

like becoming a dictator, everyone bowing down

to him, you know, coming for him to take his

mask off. Like maybe that's how Batman's seeing

him. So that could very well be a dream. So as

we're saying, in Batman's nightmare, he's been

Affleck. Right in it and in his best dream. He's

Kevin Exactly. So So Chuck, what did you think

of the trailer? I was really excited when it

started because I mean after the first trailer

was released earlier this year It left a lot

to be desired in my mind and I was like, okay,

we're finally gonna get some answers to Like

some of the things that I was questioning so

You know, I watched it and we did get those answers.

I will say I will start out with the one thing

that I really liked about it, which was the theory

behind, you know, that scene with Clark Kent,

Bruce Wayne, Lex Luthor talking out from the

building and them all seemingly knowing the secret

identity of each other. That's at least that's

what I got from it. Yeah It was kind of like,

you know, you see a little back and forth between

Clark and Bruce Wayne, which by the way there

was He's talking about dick Superman, this is

dick Clark He was just like very pushy with his

questions and I'm like he's supposed to be a

bumbling like awkward socially awkward guy that's

like fumbling around for the right thing to say

like this is not Clark Kent but anyway he's being

very forceful and assertive and everything and

you hear Bruce talking about you know maybe it's

the Gotham in me but we just don't take well

to freaks running around just like clowns and

he just kind of looks at him and Clark's like

Oh shit, I think he knows who I am. And then

you see Lex Luthor come over and he's like, wow,

great handshake. And he slaps him on the chest

and he looks directly at Bruce and he's like,

you should not pick a fight with this guy. And

it's kind of like he knows exactly who both of

them are. So I thought that was a really good

idea and concept. The performance there by Jesse

Eisenberg ruined it for me immediately. It was

it was very Tony Stark hitting Thor in the chest

like Yeah, I did I did appreciate what they were

trying to do there, but I think it just could

have been done a little bit better I don't know

but So, yeah, Dick Clark didn't care for that.

That's the title of this episode, by the way,

Dick Clark. I had missed this, which I guess

I wasn't paying close enough attention on during

the past year. But apparently this was revealed

like a year ago that Doomsday was going to be

in this movie. And I somehow missed that. I wasn't

paying attention. But, you know, you see them

in the trailer, they bring Zod's body, you know,

Lex Luthor acquires it somehow, probably through

his military contracts or whatever he has. What's

the end of poker? Amanda Waller. Right. Checkmate.

So, like, he does these events, apparently, and

magically turns Zod into Doomsday. Which, the

more you think about it, really isn't that bad

of an idea to turn Zod into Doomsday. Like, it

probably makes more sense than taking the time

to explain Doomsday's origin. Maybe? I don't

know. Don't really think it'd be that hard, but

it would be hard to grasp for some people I think

it's for your modern, you know lay person audience

watching It's like oh that was the bad guy from

the first one and now they resurrected them to

this even worse bad guy so I guess it makes sense

for The people that aren't like hardcore fans,

but I Think the origin of the actual doomsday

is way way cooler If you're not familiar with

that, you should definitely look it up. It was

basically a Kryptonian that was killed thousands

and thousands of times and kept repeatedly getting

cloned and because of that was immune to every

previous way that it died with every subsequent

iteration. I had a story idea for something like

that before I knew Doomsday existed. Oh yeah?

Yeah. They stole your idea. Great mind, Greg.

I know. but yeah, I mean that kind of makes sense,

but I Don't know doomsday. It just looks like

abomination. That's what I see I see the keepsake

an image of like abomination the lizard from

spider -man the guys from Mario movie and it's

like they They really could have done a better

job on the way he looked Mean cuz I I even had

to question I'm like, is that doomsday? Is that

what they're going for? Like I see kind of some

spikes sticking out But it's not like they didn't

go all the way they didn't fully commit to it

It's like when you when you look at it, you just

like that looks like the full from Lord of the

Rings like I don't know that's Zod back into

like We can't put spikes because that would be

weird but we can put him like on his eyes It

just seems like you could you're so close. Just

just go all the way Yeah, yeah, and then I mean

obviously you have Wonder Woman show up at this

opportune time and everything But it just the

whole thing leads back to like you were saying

You're ruining the the whole premise of the movie

By showing that scene that they're oh, they're

fighting they hate each other now. All of a sudden.

They're cracking jokes and they're buddies God

though. She was with you like In executive worried

that people won't like people or families won't

go see it cuz they're like I don't want I don't

want the superheroes fighting They should be

getting along. So we got to show them at the

end that they all they all get together. So That

are having the shot of the three trio together

But did you see the the image of people are complaining

about that looks like Batman's holding some sort

of gun or something like that like a machine

gun I I did notice it in the in that image when

they show the three of them standing there. He's

holding some kind of blaster thing or guns looking

thing, but I didn't really like I I noticed it

because Obviously Batman hates guns We all know

that from the comics. It's something that he

abhors So I could I could see where like a hardcore

batman would have fan would have a problem with

that but I mean, let's wait and see what it is

first because maybe it's like some kind of Weird

device that's meant to incapacitate this zombies

on Yeah, it's that's my thing because like I

remember, you know dark knight rises or whatever

he had that like I the that weird looking gun

thing too that people are figuring out about

That just kind of took out the electronics and

stuff of things. So who knows what it's gonna

be. I'm not Yeah, I just I was curious if you

guys heard that at all Yeah But I'm just like

I'm just kind of confused that they're doing

this the opposite way that Marvel's doing like

Marvel's Introducing each character first and

then teaming them up And DC is kind of teaming

them up first and introducing them later. So

at least with like Wonder Woman and, uh, you

know, some of the other characters that they're

going to throw in there. Cause I mean, they have

like these Justice League movies planned and

then they're making like, and then they're doing

the Wonder Woman movie and then they're doing

the flash movie and then they're doing the Green

Lantern movie. Like, it just seems odd. I'm kind

of curious if it's going to work out for them.

Don't mind him doing it the reverse way like

my like I said, it might actually end up being

a good movie But my shoe it's like you kind of

you kind of just let the cat out of the bag way

too soon for no reason so Yeah, all right anything

else before we bring this episode to a close

All righty, well I hear what you think of the

Batman v Superman trailer the Iron Man trailer

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