Revelations Trilogy and Religion in Transformers Review

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TF2 and Mike and joining me is Pecan Court Michael.

Hello. Hey, how's it going? Pretty good and Steve

Megatron Who might not have actually been here

if his we might have had to kill him again Okay,

yes my voice is doing much better yesterday I

couldn't speak at all Today I'm so hopped up

on We could call them medication Typing typing

thing with a spoon Are you on Motrin? No, I took

time with a month Cold and flu. I will kill you

with a spoon And I've taken a couple better drill.

So yes, I I have clear sinuses, I have no more

sore throat, I feel great. I will kill you with

a spoon. I can tell you're hopped up on something.

Let's see, he's hopped up on a combination of

Motrin, Ibuprofen, Advil, Benadryl, Dymatap.

Feeling a little crampy. Those don't work. Talk

about some dark glass, oh my god. You know what,

there's this magical word that rhymes with it

called kiss my ass. It's a special kind of medicine

that they prescribe to ass hats like you. Hey,

stop stealing my word. That's my word now. Leave

my word alone. That was my word first, ass hat.

Yeah, but I stole it from you, ass hat. I've

been using it on twig all the time now. And then

see, my special medication, you have to deliver

yourself anally. So just go back out into your

corner. Okay then, so we're going to be reviewing

three more episodes of Beast Machines Season

1. This is actually going to be... Wong... Wong.

What the hell is a Wong? One long discussion

for the Revelations... Long discussion? Okay,

Ulmerfun. The Revelations three -parter from

Beast Machines. So, Michael, what have you been

up to? I'm trying to recover from Steve's medicated

drone. I was gonna say you should probably start

with the fact that last time we recorded the

podcast caused you foot injury. Because he tripped

over his desk. Exactly. The podcast was so demeaning

that I actually was injured in the process. I

don't know what happened. I was... you know just

hanging out at my desk as I usually do while

we podcast and my foot was hurting and I kind

of stumbled up the stairs thinking ow you know

maybe I shouldn't have that checked out sometime

next week when I have time or maybe you know

whatever right so the next morning I wake up

and my foot hurts so bad I can't stand on it

and I was out of commission for a couple of days

I You know took off work and went to see my podiatrist

and he said oh you have a really bad inflammation

and Here take these drugs and you'll be fine

in a couple of days you know and I was fine for

a couple of days, but You know it was just a

tough road to hoe to to get to that point because

I'm stumbling around on these crutches that are

20 years old and falling apart and and I don't

know how to use them properly and only fell twice

damn near killed myself and broke my wrist. That

sounds like me when I tried to use chopsticks

when I was 10 years old. Oh, please. And he poked

his eye out. Technically. I want a Red Ryder

BB -5 shooter pair of chopsticks. You'll poke

your face out, kid. That's right, your whole

fucking head. No, it was, you know, it was just

a rough time and after about the day of the meds

I could... You know stand, but I couldn't really

walk and by the second day I could walk You know

and I'm still going to the podiatrist to make

sure everything's okay because now I'm the other

foot's kind of hurting because I've been favoring

that foot and now it's got a lot of pressure

on it and You know, I'm a mess I'm telling you

I'm getting old Don't get old boys and girls.

It's no fun. It's not pretty You're only 37 No,

but I like my puts only and they're no shit.

It don't feel bad Yeah, well, yeah the band -aid

on it it'll feel great right rub some dirt on

it I Could like to rub something else on it,

but I Don't think that's work. That's that's

that's not medically feasible. I don't think

So what other fun family outside of being injured

stuff have you been doing since we last recorded?

Family -wise, not much. Aidan is back in preschool.

Chrissy's back to work. She just had parent -teacher

conferences tonight, which was interesting. She

was telling me the story before the podcast tonight

about parents showing up and talking about their

kids, which is always exciting to hear about.

No, it's not you just wanted to get to the makeout

session don't lie Oh, well, you know making out

with my wife is always a benefit plus if you

will a boon upon me Other than that, yeah, I

stop it I know It seems over there like why would

you want to make out with your wife? That's gross

That's what wives are for, dude. Duh. Duh. Why

do you think I got married, dumbass? Well, there's

that in the tax break, but, you know. I am so...

What tax break did you get into? Because I don't

have one. The government says, bend over and

take it every year. Oh, no, no, no. Definitely.

It's better in taxes, better in property taxes,

better, you know, it's better all around. Maybe

if you have kids. But if you don't... Well, that

doesn't... No, no, no. It's just being married.

Filing jointly is huge. Oh, no. No. I got...

We got fucked hardcore last year. You don't file

jointly? Oh, no. We did. Well, then you're doing

it wrong. That's what she said. Is that what

your accountant said? Do you have an accountant?

No. Maybe that's part of the problem. Okay, so

anyway, yeah, so it's a side step the whole issue.

I love my wife, and I'm very happy. We married

I know that six years now, so Anyway, I had you

know I had to do the math. It's like we were

married in 2004. It's 2010 That was really making

you feel I know You know, it's funny though,

there's a guy at work, he's much older than I

am, and he's like, he's like, uh, oh god, I said,

you know, it's my birthday, and he says, well,

how old are you? I said, I'm 37. And he said,

well, I haven't married that long. He's like,

oh my god, I can't imagine that. Anyway, not

that I can't imagine, you know, I'll, you know.

Be with my wife until we die, all right? Damn

it. Don't insert foot in mouth. He already did.

Michael Wilson can't see himself being married

for 37 years. I can't see myself being alive

in 37 years, to be honest. I think I got about

20 good years left and then I'm out. So we'll

see. Anyway, in side news, I did manage to pick

up wave two of the power core combiner's five

packs. Cool. Yeah, yeah. And yes, you will be

alive at 74. 70? No, will I be 74? 37 and 37

is 74. I don't think I want to make it 74. Well,

we only have what? We only have what? Five episodes

that are eight episodes of this podcast lives,

so if you make it through this you'll be okay

I'll be lucky. You know I don't know it's like

Shouldn't be getting into this here, so if we're

getting such down a rat hole, but it's like my

mother died at 39 So it's like any any anything

past 39. That's just in two more years anything

past 39 is you know Yeah, exactly. I mean technically

I'm not supposed I may or may not live past that

I mean if you If you take that take medical history

into account, you know for all I know I could

catch cancer and die in two years but on the

other hand on the flip side, you know, do I do

I really want to be You know still poking around

when I'm pooping all over myself and confined

to a wheelchair I mean, I don't know it's bad

enough. I'm gonna have under that stage Just

kill me. I was gonna say when I'm to that stage

I was gonna say I want somebody just to smother

your pillow on my face While I'm asleep, just

push me over a cliff in my damn wheelchair, all

right? No, I want to be awake so I'm staring

at them when they get done We staring at the

underside of the pillow No, but it's just not

it's you know, I don't know anyway strike there

from the record So, Steve, what have you been

up to? Killing people. No, um, in all honesty,

no, I've been abusing over the past two days.

Can't take any during the show or else I'll be

passed out before the end of it. Yeah, you better

not. I will seriously find a way to get to Michigan

and I will kick your ass. It has happened before.

Yes. But he hasn't made it that far. Mike got

tired halfway there. He got to the end of his

county. He's like, damn, Michigan's a far away

away. I don't know if I can go that far. This

is the only thing I'm going to say about Steve.

He got a certain package in this week that is

very awesome, but we can't ever talk about it.

So. All right. You think Steve's package is awesome,

but you're not. No, no. Package in the mail,

not his package, you jackass. No! It's made of

paper! No, it's made of paper. You know what

it was? It was just a big pen, a printer paper.

That's all it was. Why bother shipping it? It

was naked from the word go. Naked paper? It said

staples. Oh, okay. Shut up! Alright, no, alright,

and that's why we can't talk about it. Exactly,

that's why we can't. Well then why'd you bring

it up? It's a secret, secret. It's just... Because

people will now give us more listens and say,

ooh, tell us what he got, tell us what he got,

and we can't ever tell them. More craft to strike

from the record. Never mind. Forget I said it.

Forget you said it. This part has been edited.

You'll never know what was here. Thank you. Oh

crap. I think we should get on to the episode

before we all die of laughter in the intro. Well,

that's what the intro's for, so really quick,

I've... Actually, I... The only way I could find

a way to sell him to get other toys was I actually

sold my Shattered Glass Gold Bug. I sold it to

BBTS, and I got $60 in credit, so yay. Really?

You had to get ripped off. Six dollars. Not really.

Not really, because he wasn't really complete.

I didn't have the missile or the bio card. Oh,

seriously? A complete one on eBay is going for

$150, so 60 bucks. Shatterglass, Goldbug, BotCon.

2006, I think. 2008. 2008? And you only sold

it for six bucks? Sixty. Sixty! Oh, I was going

to say six. I was going to say you're fucking

stupid. Oh, not six. Sixty. Well, I guess if

it's incomplete, that's not so bad. Yeah. You

know what I really want? It's BotCon. I want

that motherfucking 2006 Megatron. From P -Stores.

Oh that one? Oh. Yes. Even though it's Cybertron

Defense Scattershot or whatever. I don't give

a crap. I want it. It's too damn expensive. I'd

really like a 2005 Botcon Ratchet. You know what

else I'd like? Good luck. I'd like Ravage. Which

one? The... One based on B stores. Oh You he

wants the triparticus agent Yes, the x9 the triparticus

agent is different completely Yeah, no, yeah,

you went the x9 out of Japan What they don't

sell those? I rarely see those on eBay anymore

I mean I should have bought one years and years

ago and just paid the hundred bucks for it Because

nowadays you're not gonna see him at all It's

a shame Yes, it's It would be easier to get the

BotCon Tigertron Oh yeah, maybe you can repaint

it Oh, you can buy the repaint, so you can repaint

it again Yo dog, I heard you like repaints, so

we repainted your repaint I'll repaint it for

ya And I think this is what I'm going to be getting

with my credit once I am credited with my BBTS

account The blue Transmetal Optimus Primal He's

blue. You know, there's some that are purple

in some parts of the world. I know but that's

rare. You know what else? I think that's the

Japanese one, isn't it? Yeah, it is. What one?

The purple one? The purple one. Yeah. Yes. I

have that Optimus Primal. In fact, I have all

of the Beast Wars Primals. The blue one or the

purple one? I have the blue one. Oh, yeah, I

got the blue one. Like the important ones? I

got the purple one. And I have the purple Megatron.

Okay, so yeah other than that so I sold that

to BBTS I I'm getting myself out of financial

debt, so I had to sell some of my other toys

as well So I'm waiting on payment for those Other

than that not much else is really going on with

me and like Steve said about five minutes ago

Let's get into some episodes This isn't even

one of the bigger ones. No residual carbon scoring.

Man, these sparks didn't go offline. They were

removed. Then they're still alive? Somewhere.

Silverbolt, is this what happened to you? This

is my big chance to finally find out what happened

when we came back here! So today we are going

to be talking about the revelations three -parter.

This is part one Discovery the Maximals discover

a junkyard facility where the robot shelves of

the missing transformers are stored Meanwhile

black arachnia and thrust discover a fatal attraction

for one another dun dun dun Yeah, where's Michael

Douglas and Glenn close when you really need

them You got enough bad examples in this episode,

what the hell do we need them for? On the episode?

The chicken? You're the one that's practicing.

We're all adults here, you can admit it, it's

alright. Anyways, I like how Rattrap starts off

in the episode by complaining about his shitty

robot mode. And how much his body is useless.

And then Black Rattney is like, don't underestimate

it Rattrap, it's ugly too. that was funny why

is it every time we find a prime piece of real

estate we gotta be evicted by these clowns which

leads you right back to we're running away run

away yeah yes anyways i like how they're you

know they start off by being cornered with with

thrust and uh you know rat trap is figuring out

that you know Everybody's sparks were extinguished,

they were removed, and then Black Ratney, of

course, wants to go on a suicide mission. To

try and, you know, use some of this goo that

Rat Trap's engineered. But yeah. You're jumping

way ahead. Yes, I'm losing my mind. The goo doesn't

happen until a much later episode. Because Rattrap

knows about the sparks being taken anyway. Black

Arachneas. Thinking Silverbolt is one of the

Veicon Generals. Unfortunately not really knowing

which one. She wants it to be Thrust. But rather

there's a odd thing that she figures out anyway.

Yeah, as far as he's concerned. Yeah, we don't

even get to figure that out just yet. What does

he what does she figure out? Oh Well, it kills

me because thrust is casting silverbolt shadow

So it's like purpose to throw you off yeah, it's

like are they beating us over the head with it

I mean and then you know Yeah, dumbass I know

I know you know, but I'm not trying to spoil

it. What I'm saying, without giving anything

away, the visual cues are there to beat you over

the head with the insinuation that Thrust is

Silverbolt. And Thrust is remembering all these

things that make it seem as if he is Silverbolt.

He responds to the name Silverbolt, so it's like...

Okay, how much more proof do we need well he

is a red herring so pretty much We don't find

that out till later but Moving on but anyways,

yes, they come across the spark extractors The

massive one It looks like something they stole

from like reboot or something I was thinking

it looked like the alien Queen Give me all your

sparks! Something like that. It's almost like

a mother brain. Are we on the right episode?

I'm talking about just kind of how it looks.

It's got its own little mind, its own little

head, and then it's got these little kind of

tentacle things that want to take the sparks

out. Yeah, but you're jumping into, like, part

two, though, because... No, I'm not. Yes, you

are. They show it in this episode, though. But,

I mean, as far as the way it looks... To me,

it looked like the alien queen, because it's

got this big, broad, flat head, and it's huge,

and it's kind of tethered to the wall. You know,

you don't actually see its legs. Maybe they're

tucked underneath them. You kind of have to expect

Blackarachnia to be like, get away from him,

you bitch. It'll actually say it, but you know,

it's there. Yeah. But anyways, the machine does

pick them up and try to extract their sparks.

Yep. And Blackarachnia blows it up. Oh, okay.

I know what I was thinking of. I was thinking

of later when... Shut up later when jetstorm

actually does extract her spark never mind anyways

But yes, she realizes that that's Megatron's

main factory for stealing them You know primal

is going bananas literally yeah giving them shitty

command decisions and shooters like Man, what

is he getting us into? But I want to say it was

night scream who said oh, this isn't even the

biggest graveyard there are massive graveyards

that are You know put this to shame and yet black

arachnia is like this is the main facility where

you know I'm thinking no, there's probably more

than one. This is probably just a small one They've

probably got I mean the size of the factories.

We've seen so far especially the one that made

tanks in the last episodes. You can imagine there's

a much bigger facility with dozens of these big

spark -extracting queens lined up. Yes. That's

the way I saw it. I was thinking it might be

that way. But you've got to think of the logistics.

How difficult would it be to set up these? We're

literally talking like... Concentration camps

here. I mean these are this is like You know

send them to the showers, right? I mean you've

got huge lines of transformers walking into these

Buildings and then really not coming back out

So you gotta think what how do you how do you

even begin to build something like that? Well,

first I start with a shovel yeah Can't even use

a shovel because at this level everything's metal

You gotta dig a little bit deeper. But yeah,

I mean, this is literally like the Cybertronian

version of Auschwitz here. Yeah. Megatron is

Hitler. Exactly. Yeah. Only he's much more intelligent.

Well, he wasn't, you know, riddled with syphilis

and the high up on whatever the hell his doctors

were giving him. But he was full of... bestiality.

Oh boy. Watch your history channel, kids. I don't

remember seeing anything about that on the Nazi

channel. See you at TBO. Earlier episode. Megatron

versus Barney. Fight. Oh. Oh, I thought you were

saying that Hitler was an bestiality. No, he

was saying Megatron. Like I said, you don't actually

pick that up on the Nazi channel. Wait, that's

where Barney came from. Oh God. Germany. Oh,

Christ. Okay, so... Just to clarify just a little

bit, the reason why Steve brought up the Megatron

fucks Barney thing is over on the website at

GeekCastRadio .com we had a bunch of people commenting

on episode 21 of TBU about their hatred or lack

of hatred for Nightscream and I said, ooh, Megatron

has a new playmate, Megatron fucks Nightscream

now. Oh, as opposed to Barney? Yeah. So you know,

if we really wanted to have a ringtone, let's

say a beast unleashed ringtone that we didn't

have to worry about being sued over, the... Well,

maybe we would get sued over. I was gonna say

the Megatron singing the... Megatron fucking

Barney in the ass would be an excellent ringtone.

That would be a $5 .99 download. Well, I was

going to say, because it wouldn't include the

SpongeBob SquarePants theme song, but it would

include, you know... It would include this song

in the background and be like, give it to me,

baby! So wrong. I would pay 99 cents for that.

It would probably get our asses sued just as

easily as... All you have to do is take a loop

sound of Megatron going, yes, oh yes, excellent.

Just back and forth. And then Bernie going, I

love you. Shut up bitch, I'm not done. I'm telling

ya, we'd make a fortune. We make a killing on

that as well as the depth charge fish pants just

before they sued us Remember kids plausible deniability

We don't know what you're talking about. I have

no idea what you're talking about. So you got

anything else Steve? Yes, Jester makes a Pokemon

reference, yeah, I thought I was talking about

mini cons That's actually the same thing that

Megatron said toward the end of Beast Wars, and

I can't remember which episode it was. That's

what we call recycling lines here. Yeah, it was

funnier from Jetstorm though. Yeah, everything's

better from Jetstorm. Let's not go there now.

They used models from Generation 1 characters

seen in Beast Wars Agenda Part 3. Some of the

corpses are Prowl and Soundwave. I was looking

for that and I didn't really see it. They were

so jumbled up, I couldn't really tell. I noticed

them the first time I saw them, too. It wasn't

as noticeable as, like, Soundwave. Oh, yeah.

I mean, Soundwave was a carbon copy model for

all the damage models for the old Transformers

in this series. I mean, that's just the way it

is. But he looked cool. Yeah, he looked cool,

yeah. Anything else, Steve? Um, no. Okay. I guess

I will get my notes out of the way here. As you

burp. Yeah, sorry. Judicious use of mute. Yes,

I don't have the Skype window open. You know,

if Primal was still optimal optimist, his arm

would have been able to reach Rattrap instead

of Rattrap putting his tail up. True. And I...

Putting his tail up. I just give it to me, baby!

Deadstorm. Just Ratt Ratt putting his... Oh boy,

I have a rat. With an ass. A rat's ass. You can't

have my rat's ass. I don't give a rat's ass.

I really hate how they treat Rattrap. Not just

this episode, but just the entire series. Yeah,

I know. They kind of throw him by the wayside

a lot. They give him a shaft on just about everything.

Yup. It's like, you know, he's kind of in trouble

now because he's got inferior hardware, but he

really did a lot previously. Previous? And see,

that's the problem, though. You know, I know

that this technically... Is at the time that

beast machines was made they were looking at

it as a completely new series Hasbro was looking

back to getting into the vehicle transformers

But we all know this is continuity because you're

using the same characters from Beast Wars and

continuing that story almost Onto Cybertron,

but it's like they're ignoring everything that

rat trap did in Beast Wars whatsoever, and they

just think he's a useless rat Tank or Slag Birdbot.

Hello, I'm a bat. Yeah, that was pretty funny.

Yeah. Tankor is a lot of fun. No, you would have

thought for as dumb as Tankor is that they would

have put someone equally as dumb instead of in

the body they put him in. Tankor? The spark?

Oh no, I just think it's interesting the way

they did it because it's like... They did opposite.

If you have like a split personality and the

smart person is actually repressed and the dumb

person is controlling the body. It makes for

an interesting dichotomy and a very cool plot

twist. Oh yes. I've said it before and I'll say

it again. I think Jetstorm is my favorite vehicle

in general out of the three so far. Auctioneer

Jetstorm. I'm sorry, victims cannot make a bid.

Because he's doing the whole auctioneer thing,

one maximal, two maximal, all this, and then

he goes, and when Primal goes to fire back at

him, he's like, I'm sorry, victims cannot make

a bid. I just, I don't know, I laughed at that.

That was so funny. Yeah, I think he's got a lot

of really good lines. Yeah. But I mean, you know,

you've got one general who basically has whole

speak. Drunk Hulk, Tank or Smash, Tank or Pulverize.

And then you've got one that's a man of few words.

I think this episode is probably the most he

says at all, really. Just in these minor here

and there conversations with Blackarachnia. Whereas

Jetstorm is talkative. He won't shut up. He's

always saying... Nine times out of ten it's gonna

be something entertaining. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he

just yeah, you know, he's just cool He's a cool

bad guy Have you guys ever seen Titan ae? Yeah,

yes, you remember the character goon Vaguely

it's a little guy that jog with John Leguizamo

voice little four -eyed alien looking thing on

the ship Tank or getting sleep or sleepy tank

or need nap just like goon in Titan ae I Don't

remember Honestly, I try to block anything having

to do with John Leguizamo out of my mind Well,

the only two things I actually like him in was

Titan ae and Super Mario Brothers. So You know

to be honest there's huge swaths of the spawn

movie that I don't remember at all Yeah, I wasn't

that interested in the spawn either. I've seen

it. I was interested when it came out I was a

huge spawn fan. Yeah, it was like massively disappointed

Anyway Yeah, so John Leguizamo. Yeah, that's

a name that I almost completely repressed from

my memory. Thank you for bringing that up like

a bad And Steve, actually I am surprised Michael

didn't chime in with this after Steve read or

didn't read but said the Jetstorm line of gotta

catch them all because right after that Jetstorm

gets blasted. Jetstop. Jetstorm blasting off

again, ping. Right after he says gotta catch

them all, someone shoots him and he goes blasting

off spinning into infinity. I didn't catch that.

I totally would have brought it up if I had written

it down or something. I didn't have a whole lot

of notes for this one to be honest. I didn't

have a whole lot of notes for the third part

then I went back and rewatched it and made a

little bit more but I've got just two more on

this one. Actually three. Thrust asks Blackarachnia

what is wrong with her positronic brain. The

only time I have ever heard this term, other

than this episode, was in iRobot. Uh, I wanna

say, and Steve would know right off the top of

his head, isn't that what Data had? Yes. Okay,

well... In Star Trek Next Generation, Data had

a positronic brain. Yeah, Data, Lore, and B9.

Okay, it's been a while since I've seen TNG,

so... If the ape ain't thinking clearly, the

cat must take over. However, Optimus starts to

realize the depths of his guilt. bolts right

through the middle of a battle. It's just oblivious

to everything else. It's like, hey, hey, wake

the hell up. You're being shot at and you're

leaving all your buddies back here to get shot

at. Hey, guy with the huge shields on his arms,

maybe you could come back here and help us out

a bit. But instead, he's trucking it over to

where Blackarachnia is. I know Michael doesn't

like the mushroom cloud fire effects. However,

the fire with them running from it and the freeze

frame showing them in both in robot mode and

in beast mode as the factory blows up. That was

an awesome fact. That was another one of those

bright lights behind us and we're nothing but

silhouettes. It was still awesome. It was very...

I don't want to say action movie -ish, you know,

where there's a big explosion behind us and we

all go, ah, you know, and pose in mid -flight.

uh you know but that's basically what it was

i mean there was no background at all the background

was it was almost like they're all running toward

the camera against the green screen and they

replaced that with fire it's like you can see

rat trap running on something but there's no

ground it's just fire behind him under everywhere

around him every it's such a fire and i don't

know it was all right i'm starting to get sick

of the bright lights behind us so all you can

see is the silhouette You know, I mean it's it's

nice that they use it Occasionally, but I think

at this point they're starting to overuse it

a bit Yeah So what else do you have for this

episode Michael cuz that was it for my notes

Well, you know, I just think this is the beginning

of where Cheetor starts to doubt Optimus Primal's

ability to lead and You know, it's like it's

one thing when oh You know, you're wore out.

You're tired. You can't hack it right now. That's

cool. I got your back I'll cover it. Don't worry,

you know, but here it's dude, you're just batshit

insane and You know, we can't follow you in this

condition So it's it's not even like let me shoulder

the load for you. It's I'm taking command. You're

not fit I'm taking command and see the funny

thing about that is though Throughout the whole

episode up till that point Night scream was a

little bitch that was saying that do this take

you know somebody else needs to lead and then

cheetor kept defending optimus because deep down

Cheetor does want optimus in command. He even

said so, you know He I wanted you back in command

But if you're if you're gonna make shitty decisions

like this, then I'm taking over It's like if

you're gonna go bat shit and dart across the

battlefield with everyone shooting at you and

us then clearly you're not Thinking straight

and you know, he's got this on his shoulders.

I killed the planet You know what? How do you

how do you live with yourself at that point?

And he's just not doing a very good job of it

You know what kills me is at the end when cheetor

is like look I'm taking over his face I don't

want to say his face is dirty because we haven't

actually seen damage models in the series The

damage models that were so prevalent in Beast

Wars, which were so cool. Don't show up at all

here No, but his face is dark dark in and I'm

thinking is that stubble. It's not like beard

stubble Is he like look, you know, you're making

an old man out of me and not look I got stubble

now That's what it seems like to me. It just

kind of looked like that Hmm anyway, so there's

that Speaking of new CGI models that we hadn't

seen before Thrust flashbacks are awesome because

they have Great new models of Blackarachnia and

her Beast Wars bodies. Yep, and all of their

bodies Yeah, even in a creepy spider mode and

And that's that's neat. I actually had to stop

and look at those screen by screen Yeah, that's

close. I don't happen in the first part. Do they

though? No, they happen in this episode at least

at least thrust flashbacks do oh his first flashbacks

of her and right and then right him because he's

yeah, he's like it was happy almost remember

and then he's thinking back and he sees her and

He sees her, you know first in her in her regular

mode and then he sees her in her Transmental

2 mode and the Transmental 2 mode just is awesome.

And again, you know, they keep making these strides.

But I think they made an entirely new model for

her, which is interesting because you only showed

up for like a second or two at most. Yeah. But

it was still cool to see, you know, and later

on we see some more. But it just reminds us that

With the increasing, you know, computational

ability, the models are gonna get better, the

graphics are just, leave some bounds better.

And if we could do the same thing today, if we

could go back and rescue some of these old models

and bring them back, we could have a killer show.

Just killer, but yeah, so I really like those

models I wish that he could have maybe flashed

back for a couple more minutes and thought about

Thought about her some more so we could see some

more. Oh, we see some more coming up in part

two though Some some more of no not of black

arachnia per se but more of old animation stuff

Well, there's I don't want to say part two, but

I know that in In part three, you know, they've

got the Rhinox renderings. Well, in part two,

they have the scenes from the past. What happened

at the end? Oh, yeah. So we'll get to that. Yeah,

OK. I almost forgot about that. Yeah, those were

good, too. We'll get to that. What else? That's

about it. We can. unless you want to recap something.

Okay. You have any other thoughts before we move

on to the second part, Steve? No. So part two

is subtitled Descent. Cheetor leads a dangerous

mission to bring out Tankor's old Maximal personality.

In doing so, Rattrap discovers a major clue to

the Maximal's missing memories. A dangerous mission?

Shut up. If you should choose to accept it. This

message will self -destruct in five seconds This

podcast will self -destruct in 41 minutes I'm

sorry, but you are no David K Grimlock from animated.

Yeah, just shut your face No, that was not tank

or So I'm gonna go first, cause Steve stole a

lot of my stuff last time. I steal your thunder,

bitch! Trace swinging, spark following monkey.

Yeah, he did that. As the episode opens, cause

he's supposedly hooked up to the oracle or the

matrix or whatever. He's hooked on phonics. I

was surprised that they didn't use his early

Beast Wars model again because you know he's

clearly in a jungle planet he's swinging through

the trees and to me it just seemed out of place

to see his trans -organic body. But the difference

is and the reason why we didn't see that is because

the jungle planet Is Cybertron the matrix is

showing him because I've watched these episodes

three times now the matrix is trying to show

him Bring back the organic, but they're not telling

him yet to meld the two The the the technological

and the organic the way that these episodes are

spawning out so far is they're saying that Megatron

is purely technological and that Optimus is purely

on nature or the organic side Right or at least

well, I think no I don't think he's purely on

the organic side not him himself But his car

I should have said his cause No, I think that

what he's saying is he actually comes out and

say I don't know if it's this episode of the

next but No, it's the next episode where he actually

says I understand what's going on the the The

planet used to be organic, but now it's purely

technological, and the oracle wants us to merge

the two together and find a balance. I don't

think he's actually saying, oh, we need an organic

planet. But what he is saying is we need to find

a happy medium between the two. Not yet. Not

even the next episode. He doesn't find that out

until the end of season. He doesn't find that

out until the end of this season. That's actually

what it's what he says in the next episode. No,

that's not what he says. He says that he says

that They were sent to prehistoric earth to bring

back the organic natures to restored nature to

Cybertron is what he says in the in the in this

three -parter Right, but what he and Steve back

me up here, man What he says is that the image

a oracle wants us to find a balance between the

two He says the word balance. He's always saying

balance Don't think he says it right away though.

He doesn't he doesn't fully realize Doesn't realize

it until the balance thing until end of the line

the season finale where he's like, oh No, it

can't be Cybertron can't be purely organic or

purely technological It has to be balanced, but

he doesn't realize that until he's killed all

his buddies at the end of season one Well, I

don't think he realizes till episode one of season

two when the Oracle says hey look dumbass That's

right The big battle at the end of season one

carries in yeah, yeah, yeah, okay anyways So

optimus is pretty much exiling himself from the

group You know you would think that he would

entrust them and that again goes back to my whole

thing of They have all the continuity from B

stores as far as the characterization You know

he doesn't have to do this alone, but he that

they wrote him in this like he still has to Well,

yeah, basically the way I saw it is once prime

was primal once optimus was taken out of command

He you know becomes this metal hermit And he's

like hey, you know How about you guys go do your

thing and I'll sit down here next to my stargate

and commune And they're like okey -doke Again,

get off Thrust's nuts, Blackarachnia. You won't

like the result. Thrust, no. You spent an awful

long time trying to hammer that fact into your

head that Thrust is actually Silverbolt. Well,

she does want to spin his wheels. Take him out

for a drive. Play with the spokes. Put a baseball

card in it. Listen to it. Cr -cr -cr -cr -cr

-cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr

-cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr

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-cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr

-cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr

-cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr

-cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr -cr

-cr -cr -cr - So as we said before, scenes from

the past, animation from the end of Beast Wars,

yay! I have a real problem with this flashback.

And my problems are as follows. So in the flashback,

even though they are surprised to be fired upon

once returning to Cybertron, Primal and Cheeto

are just run. Hello, they could have flown, duh.

And I mean before the virus hit them. Maybe they

didn't make it very far. I mean, it's possible

that they just made it off the landing platform.

That's as far as you get. They hit the ground

running and oh fuck, I'm dead. And when the transformation

virus pods hit silverbolt, they show him for

a brief moment, then never show him. What could

he have de -evolved into? He was never transmetal.

Oh yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He turned

into a puppy with wings. So cute! So cute we

can't even see it. We would die of cuteness.

And my final note for this part was, this was

more epic of a going offline for Blackarachnia

than what happened in Beast Wars when she went

offline inside the little cereal bowl of Rhinoxes.

Permanently. Yeah. No, it was definitely better,

because I mean, it was literally like... Like

she was dying. I'm ripping out your heart. How

do you like them apples? Oh, man. What? No, I

mean seriously... No, I know it's just... You

said, how do you like them apples? I'm thinking...

And I wish I had a piece of glass to slam my

hand on, but I'm thinking... There, I got a number.

How do you like them apples? From Good Will Hunting.

Good Will Hunting. Well yeah, that's basically

it. It was a very tense moment because he's...

You know, this isn't a very easy or quick process.

It's like, alright, I got this big thing here,

and there you go, and I'm gonna drag your heart

out of your body, there you go. It's, yeah, the

whole time you're thinking, holy crap, they're

not gonna let her die, are they? Regardless of

our hatred of Night Scream, at least he reacted

to it. Yeah, the classic, no! How many nose have

we had so far this series just or black arachnia

in this in this three part we've had two when

she Got underground with thrust optimus said

it and now night scream. So just two so far Yeah,

probably it is so overused and the other one

that's overused is period. Yeah, I'll optimus

prime Period! I mean this is Cheetor's favorite

word at this point. Mm -hmm. Period! My monthly

flow. Period! Yeah, okay then. Do what I say.

Period! Period! Do what I say. Period! Steve,

what did you have for this one? Well, I like

that Primal goes on... his little hunting mission

in the Allspark and basically, again, loses his

mind, becomes delusional. I like that Rattrap

discovers, you know, about Rhinox. But to begin

with, he thinks that it's him. And then he's

like, wait a minute, how is it me? How does T

-Core have memories of me? And then he realizes

it's Rhinox because he sees his own body fall

to the ground. I think it would have been better

if he had... you know turned his head and saw

a rat trap over there and said okay maybe it's

not me it's somebody else but they're in there

with us so it must be yeah but then that we kind

of give it away right away who it was see and

that's the thing that's why they never show you

whose memories it really is until you see the

uh the tank or model and you see the reflection

from from the uh from the from the visors yeah

Of the tank or model that it is Rhinox's memories

Well, yeah at that point, I think you only see

his face. Yeah Reflected. Yeah. No the tank or

model comes out in part three and it's awesome

Yeah, it really is very cool Yes, and then you

know, of course cheetoers want not hardwire Rhinox

to make him go maximal again and Primals like

no If you can't do that, that would be right

unmaximally. And then Ryan Axes is sitting there

accusing Primal of being stupid and all of them.

I'm not sure if I have an opinion either way

on that. Part of me is like, yeah, stick around

with his head until he's a good guy again. Because

honestly, Rattrap doesn't have his ED -209 bodysuit

anymore. You have 20 seconds to comply So we

need a giant tank on the team Because you know

he tank or can't move very fast. He's not gonna

want to run all the time He's gonna be like screw

this I'm blowing shit up And that and I miss

Rhinox, I mean as underutilized as he was in

season 3 He was just a season three of Beast

Wars I mean he was just an awesome character

in the first season and to a certain extent to

the second season When they weren't focusing

on Dino Bot, which was almost every damn episode

But no, I mean I really like Rhinox as a character

and I think it would have been cool to bring

him back For a bit especially in it in you know,

the giant -ass tank or body. Well, they do we're

going to do but they make a bad guy but what

i'm saying is that yeah go ahead and tinker in

his head until he's a good guy again because

oh no no yeah like primal said that takes away

free will yeah i mean aside from uh... dark designs

i'd i'd i'd just can't really see reinox choosing

to be a bad guy And in Dark Designs, he didn't

choose to be a bad guy. He got poisoned. Or,

uh, something. Something hit him. Like a retrovirus

or something and turned him evil. Well, Megatron

used the, uh, converter on him. The Reversal

Ray. Yes. The Make -Evil -inator. The Make -Evil

-inator, that's right. My deadly inator. Yes.

Uh, yeah. Curse you, pair of the Patsapaws! But

yeah, I I just Don't I don't like Rhinox being

a bad guy it bothers me Yeah, I kind of know

what you are getting at there. I don't really

like him as one either, but he seemed to fit

the part Maybe I suppose I mean basically you've

got Rhinox and silverbolt on the shuttle going

back and they disappear so I Guess we gotta do

something with them. Let's I don't know put them

in tank or something What else you got Steve

I Wish that primal would have got away so he

could have kept his optimal body Could you imagine

big -ass hands the size of prime coming down

and just squish squish squish? That's why they

couldn't let him keep his body Right, but I mean

they They play it off. It's so lame. It's like,

Oh, I've been shot with this thing and now my

metal body is turning into an organic body. And

no, this doesn't make any sense at all. Well,

basically what they're saying is the trans metal

bodies are what made them go to their lowest

beast form, which is what actually saved them

from going offline initially. Well, no, it's

a de -evolving virus. I understand that. But

if you're a fuser or if you're a classic, you

know, generation one robot you're pretty much

fucked as soon as you get hit with this virus

oh okay i got you so if you're transmetal you're

pretty much good up until the point where you

can't transform but you're still online yeah

just don't know what happened before that well

for a couple of hours or a couple of episodes

yeah well yeah basically i mean you know no they

all got reformatted in that i want to say the

first episode yeah But I mean because basically

they were all like great. We're gonna die Because

we can't transform and we have this build -up

or whatnot and we're you know, we're gonna die

I meant as far as the not remembering part for

a couple of episodes. Oh That's the screwy part

is why why did your brain I actually thought

that maybe they were Captured they were sedated

taken and then had surgery to pull out chunks

of their memory or something. I mean, it's just

so trite to blame the virus for everything. Well,

we have no memory. It's a virus. Oh, somehow

we're in our Beast Wars body. Oh, it's the virus.

Oh, you know, all these problems we're having

and oh, it must be the virus. You know, it's

just there's a certain amount of suspension of

disbelief that I just can't muster this time

around. Since Steve is talking about the transformation

stuff in that whole scene, I forgot to bring

up earlier, in the ship, Cheater goes, why are

they shooting at us? Radtrap says, hello, they

don't recognize us in these metal fur coats.

Yeah. You'd think that they would recognize an

Autobot shuttle. Yeah, really. It's like, in

World War II, you're looking across the sea and

you see a boat. And it's like, okay, I can tell

by the shape of the boat that it's a good guy

boat or a bad guy boat. It's not the people on

the boat. You can tell by the silhouette of the

vessel. Now, tell me that they're not going to

recognize an Autobot shuttle. But I think this

goes back to the fact that Megatron had fallen

off the ship into the space -time warp, and he

got to Cybertron first. That's why they were

fucking upon them. He had already taken control

of the planet at that point, and then said, oh,

here they come! Right on schedule. He was like,

in about three, two, okay, capture them. I don't

have time for this crap. Come on, kiddies, I

got a movie to go see at about 12 o 'clock. It's

like, you know, it's about time you guys showed

up, you know, I had to take care of the whole

planet I got the scar across my face I had to

make a harness for me to fit into My dragon head

and I have to go to the movies damn it How do

you put your arm around your own arm Kind of

reaching around his arm and groping a little

bit trying to feel for some boob, you know First

he takes it off then he mounts it in the chair

next to him And then he's got two hands to play

with the dragon head the dragon says pass me

some popcorn as I can't my arms over in that

chair At this point he's just playing with himself

anything else Steve Get it some self Yes Cheaters

cheaters get a funny line as of this moment.

We were going on the offensive black right here

says and who are we offending today? I love that.

Yes I'm offended. Yes, I like that So is that

it Other than that I pretty much I Think it's

cool that they finally show some of what happened.

Yeah post -beast wars previous beast machines,

but uh Yeah, it's it's still kind of a Yeah,

I'm glad they showed us but I'm asked actually

kind of aggravated because they're just insulting

our intelligence The ones that could fly I'm

sorry they would have got away Yeah I mean really

The the other point that they're really trying

to insult our intelligence is red trap has bombs

Yeah It's like he's bitching and whining. Oh

this body's worthless and oh my body sucks ass

and then hey look I got a bomb It's like you

know what? your body sucked ass in the last series

but you had bombs in your arms and that was still

I mean that's like the that was his go -to weapon

was well aside from his guns right yeah but you

know he had bombs in his our hand his forearms

he could just pull one out and chuck it over

his shoulder and that was it yeah you know read

it and die or what did he tell Read it and weep.

Read it and weep. I didn't know he said weep,

but... Yeah, I mean, like he told, uh, uh, tarantulas.

He just tosses them a bomb, and ta -da! Got a

couple other bombs here with your name right

on them. Eat them and weep. Eat them and weep.

That's it. But that was, uh, you know, that was

his thing. And, you know, true, he doesn't have

a gun, but what's to stop him from picking up

a pistol and putting it in his backpack? Uh,

just like he did... the bomb, I'm assuming. Well,

because miraculously they disappear into the

dead zone and they don't come back. Oh yeah,

because when your head comes out of your ass

and your arms suck back into your body, when

you transform that doesn't leave a whole lot

of room to store guns. No. And you really have

nice convenient little handle that allows his

maximal buddies to carry him around like a suitcase

Yeah, well, he's put stuff back there before

Well, you know, I just thought of something I

Can't believe it took me so now to think about

this if you look at rat traps a robot mode in

beast machines He's basically a hover round without

the actual hover round Maybe doesn't hover, but

I mean cuz he has the guy has no goddamn feet

robot mode. It's just two wheels He's basically

either a hover around or a fucking scooter. He

kind of looks like a You know a paraplegic in

a wheelchair That's kind of sad actually What

what did you have for the second part for notes

Michael That's pretty much it. I was aggravated

about Ratchet having bombs. Why the hell does

he have a bomb and not a gun? Because that was

his thing. He was a sharpshooter. Why wouldn't

he have a gun? Every dead Transformer doesn't

have a rocket launcher mounted on its shoulder.

Literally, you could cut off one of their arms

and I'm sure there's a glass gun or something

in there that's going to pop out when you push

the right button. This didn't make any sense

to me and You know the the the whole tank or

is Rhinox revelation was very cool I mean, especially

when rat trap gets up gets into him. He plugs

in his tail He dials in and there's no dial tone

Beep beep beep beep. Yeah, there was it was actually

what I thought was cool was the old handshake

sound Yeah, and this might be before your time

but in the days of dial -up, where you actually

had to have a modem that would call your ISP

and connect, and it would be like, it would make

that sound. It's called a handshake sound. But

it was literally, when he was able to hook in,

it made that boom, boom, boom sound. And I thought

that was cool, because I haven't heard that in

years. Back in the day, that was like, you know.

Well, no, I mean when the worst part is when

you tried to dial up and you didn't hear that

sound Yeah, it's like oh crap. Something's wrong.

Their modem is bad. My modem is bad There's something

wrong with the phone line something wrong with

the phone company You know, and now I can't get

my porn what the hell And on on that note, I

think we should move on to part three So part

three is in the subtitled apocalypse Night Scream

fights to retrieve black Arachneus stolen spark

Meanwhile optimus is able to contact Rhinox's

spark, but Rhinox deals him a major surprise

um surprise It's a birthday party. How did you

know you guys you shouldn't have oh man, so by

this point we know that Rhinox or tank or is

is is Rhinox and Rhinox is in tank or but the

Rhinox personality isn't quite out yet He comes

out briefly and then there and cheeto is trying

to teach him to come out Oh god, that sounds

so horrible but my my first note was it's when

rat trap and cheeto are on the mission to you

know, retrieve Rhinox's memories and all that

stuff and They go to rat trap Asks him how's

this planning you're supposed to work again?

And then tank or is all over there chasing them

and they run up this little post and then rat

trap says it back to him So or he says it back

to rat trap says it back to rat trap. How's this

planning? You're supposed to work again I'm just

gonna run up the st. Louis arch and hide here

for a bit. I Am sorry good. Well, exactly. I

mean they You know, they run up the arch and

you go this way and they get up to the top of

it and why don't they just slide down the other

side? I know it. Does that make sense? I didn't

get it. It's like, jump, jump to the other one.

I am seriously missing my old turbo jets right

about now. He remembers. Yeah. I know this isn't

saying much, but could Jetstorm be Val Kilmer

and Nightscream be Tom Cruise because of Jetstorm's

line? Nice moves kid, but around here I'm Top

Gun. Oh, you're digging really deep there. I'm

like, Val Kilmer? That really bad Batman? Hey,

hey, hey. Is it that one? No, no, no. The really,

really bad Batman was fucking George Clooney.

That was the really bad Batman. No, I think Val

Kilmer was the really bad one. No. That could

be wrong. You are wrong. All those crappy ones

kind of blur together. Sorry. Hello, Dark Designs

Rhinox. It's... More so, I wrote that down more

so as a call back to that episode, more so rather

than his actual coloring in this episode, but...

That would have been awesome too, if they would

have used his dark design coloring. Yup. I still

think they should have made a repaint toy out

of that one. Oh yes. I would buy that for a dollar.

Stop saying that. I've actually blocked and reported

that guy as spam. I hate that crap on Twitter.

Are you serious? I'm dead serious. There's a

there's a guy that I don't know if it's if it's

a robot or not but when you mention Robocop in

a tweet he responds with I'd buy that for a dollar

and It's I forget the guy's name, but his Twitter

handle is for a dollar and you know for me One

of the coolest, most memorable parts of RoboCop

is that commercial. And they keep showing it

over and over and over again and he's like, I'd

buy that for a dollar. Yeah, I think that's just

so cool. And then he retweeted or when he responded

to me, you know, I thought that because we talked

something about RoboCop, I forget what I said,

but he responded and I thought that was so cool

that I retweeted it and then favorited it. And

if the listeners are not on Twitter, they're

not going to understand what I'm talking about.

I didn't realize you were so hostile against

I'd buy that for a dollar. No, I'm not really

hostile against it. I just said I'd block the

guy and report it as spam. I'd buy that for a

dollar. I love that. So getting back to Revelations

Part 3 here. Yes. Final note here, and I'm surprised

Steve hasn't brought it up already, but We make

they make a mention of Megatron throughout the

three -parter, but this entire three -parter

Never featured Megatron at all. Not even once

Steve has no lines Even in the first episode

where you know, it's like why are we here? What

the hell is going on? And what is this virus

and blah blah blah even then? They had at least

one line for Megatron at the very end. Yeah,

him laughing. Yeah, it wasn't much, but it was

something. Well, I guess you could count this,

but when Optimus was... when we first see his

vision... When I mentioned in the first part

of the three -parter here about the tree swinging...

Spark following monkey At the end of that you

see Megatron and he blows this green dust at

you, but I mean There was no speaking lines throughout

the entire three -parter other than he left.

Maybe a half a second in that little bit. Yeah

He had just had like cabbage and garlic and was

breathing on you. Maybe maybe Mr. K needed a

day off that day It's like what exactly did he

do in the studio? Oh, don't bother coming in

and he's thinking shit. I'm fired So Michael,

what did you have for this one a couple of things

the again going back to the The dream states

that optimus primal finds himself in he's on

an organic planet and these metal vines pop out

of the ground and transmetallize all the plants,

which are his friends. Kind of weird, but this

is kind of foreshadowing the key to Vector Sigma.

Right, but again, like I've told you previously

in this episode, because they're on Cybertron,

the Oracle is trying to show him that... It's

not a different planet that's organic, it's Cybertron.

They're telling him that Cybertron was once organic.

I mean, they even make mention of the tree in

Night Scream's chamber. Yeah, I'm just not gonna

buy it that the planet was once organic and,

you know, metal ropes came out of the ground

and transmetallized the whole planet. I mean,

that doesn't make any sense for me. Okay. It's

it's metal metal tentacle porn here Nobody expects

the metal There's a scene where tank or actually

breathes fire Yeah, and I'm like what he breathes

fire now. What the hell? It was kind of a cool

effect, but it was unexpected But what I really

dig is the the big saw blades come out of his

up his wrists. Oh Yeah when he's trying to tear

down the St. Louis arch. And he's like, he just

reaches out and grabs it and just saws right

through it. I thought that was awesome. And not,

as some people like you may point out, because

it's a throwback to, or maybe a nod, possibly

an homage or a mention to Rodimus. Or hot rod

I should say back in the Transformers movie I

didn't really see that for for the tank or model

as a as a nod to Saw blades hot rod saw blade.

I didn't not and I didn't even see that I was

thinking more of like oh, so It's the chain gun

of doom without the guns But I like that big

old circular saws come out of his come out of

his wrists Uh, yeah, and, and, you know, speaking

of Rodimus, uh, you know, Blackarachnia dies,

her sparks pulled from her body, and, and she

goes to the Matrix. You know, kinda like Rodimus,

except not on purpose. You know, cause Blackarachnia

is not a suicidal dumbass. True. Well, but the

difference is... I short -circuited myself and

became one with the Matrix. But the difference

is, Thrust short -circuited her, and then they

removed her spark. Yeah, but I mean, that's how

she got. I mean, she didn't physically have the

Matrix in her chest. The only way you could visit

it is to externalize your spark and behead it.

You know, because I'm assuming that they're...

For the purposes of the story, they are mixing

the Matrix with the AllSpark. As far as they're

concerned, it's the same thing. When you die,

you mix with the Matrix. But your spark goes

back to the AllSpark, which is in the Matrix,

part of the Matrix, associated with the Matrix

somehow. According to this show, the Matrix is

the AllSpark that gives the Transformers life.

Yeah, exactly. So you've got Optimus, who's kind

of swimming around in the Matrix, looking for

answers, and then, oh, hey, Blackarachnia, how

you doing? And she's like fuck I'm dead, you

know, I mean well she doesn't want to admit that

she's dead when she does find out she's dead

She kind of panics and freaks out a little bit

but You know, as I said, she's she's not a suicidal

dumbass. She didn't reach into her chest and

short -circuit herself You know for the hell

of it. She's actually being murdered here right

But yeah, I had to dig on Rodimus for a moment

because I don't like him well That's your damn

fault. It's like someone who doesn't like Springer.

What the hell for? Why the hell not? Well, there's

a big difference. Springer's completely friggin'

useless. Yeah, but he doesn't try to kill himself.

I wish he would. Even Springer shows up and says,

damn, what'd Rodimus do? I don't know, he killed

himself. It's like, well, he had it rough, but

not that rough, you know? The yoke of leadership

was not that heavy that he had to off himself.

Anyway, since we're not talking about G1, we'll

get back to Optimus and the Aether. So Optimus

is floating around in the Aether, and he's back

on the organic planet. That scene from above

kind of looks like a circuit board, which was

kind of cool. I mean, I see what they're getting

at here. And what does he find? He finds a kick

-ass Rhinox model straight out of season one

of Beast Wars. And it looks really, really cool.

I mean, they kind of show him, I don't want to

say in a weird fisheye lens kind of way, but

they show him from weird angles, like from, you

know, Hobbit side's vision or looking up at him.

And it's kind of weird. But I mean, You know,

you only get to see it for a little while, but

it looks really, really good. It almost looks

black. Black. Where his green parts are, like

his face and stuff. Yeah. It almost looks like

it's more of a dark hunter green, or even some

sort of shade of black. Not the bright green

that he was in Beast Wars. But that could be...

That could be akin to the fact that it's raining

and it's night time. Yeah, that's I kind of figured

it was because it was dark outside and it was

storming and it was like it was almost, you know,

like Frankenstein where it's dark and it's storming

and there's lightning and it's alive. There's

Rhinox. But, you know, we'll we'll say it again.

We need new Beast Wars series with updated graphics.

with new models and it would it would be awesome

and I think that more than a few people would

be excited about to see that. Original voice

actors please. Unfortunately? Yeah, none of them

are dead yet so it's not like bringing back Starscream.

Well, at least you had said Starscream and not

jazz. Well, yeah, that would be nice too. Phil

Lamar does a good jazz. Oh, he does. He does

an excellent jazz. but the thing with you know

there's I agree with you guys I would love to

see an updated Beast Wars Beast Machine series

the only there's two and in the future as of

next year there's three problems with that and

they all lead back to Michael Bay ever since

those fucking movies came out There's I seriously

doubt Hasbro and unless there's some sort of

fan outcry or somebody storms their offices Demanding

Beast Wars and Beast Machines. There's never

Not not in at least ten years, maybe once they

stop making live -action films, maybe it will

happen But until then it'll never happen. Unfortunately,

I will what I find aggravating about the Bay

movies is that you can have a perfectly good

Transformers cartoon on the air and The big movies

will come along and kill it. Yeah And you know,

we saw the same thing with transformers animated.

Yeah Unless unless you make a movie version cartoon

I don't even want to watch that at this point.

I'm so not looking forward to that Okay, so so

back to your thoughts on on yeah to digress I

dig hearing Rhinox's voice coming out of tank

oar. I just dig that. I like it a lot. I think

it would have been really awesome to have a giant

tank oar being a good guy Rhinox. I think that

would have been awesome. Lastly, and this is

another one of those weird plot holes that I'm

not really happy with, but The Matrix? I'm gonna

watch me some cable. You're saying to give me

all your money. If the Matrix sends you to Earth

to come back as animals, why not just send someone

to Plantworld to come back as a plant? Oh, but

wait, there's... There was my next line. Oh wait,

wait a minute, they kinda do. Yeah, they're really

thinking on this one. But, you know, I don't

think that, I mean... Covenant of Primus aside,

I don't think that you can take the Beast Wars

and assign that as, you know, quote -unquote,

will of God. You know, oh, the whole reason we

went back to Earth was not because we were chasing

Megatron or that Megatron stole the Golden Disks

or that, you know, we were unwittingly fulfilling

the Covenant of Primus. It's because The Matrix

made it so. It's because, oops, I pooped my pants.

Yeah, my pants are full. No, I just, I don't

buy it. It bothers me. I'm not gonna say that

I don't think religion has a place in Transformers,

but maybe I'll say that. I'll just come right

out and say, you know, maybe, maybe it doesn't.

I can kind of understand where they'd be like,

oh, the planet is our god. But here, it goes

beyond that. It's not a physical entity. It's

the will of the matrix, which we've already stated

is the sum total of all the sparks in their race.

So the matrix knew ahead of time? What was going

on and directed you there? It's like, you know,

let's just take free will out completely. You

know, maybe Megatron's got the right idea. Maybe

Megatron says, hey, we don't need free will because

I can rule everything perfectly being the only

soul mind. You know, this is an oligarchy consisting

of me. You know, maybe that's it because here

we're yanking free will out completely and saying,

no, it was foretold by God. And see the other

problem I have with this now that you're bringing

this up is, I know, see, it's weird. You have

G1, okay, and it's convoluted as G1 is because

it's all made up different stories. It's not

really one continuous story like Beast Wars and

Beast Machines is. You get to Beast Wars, and

they bring in all this continuity from G1, different

homages and all this and all that. You get to

Beast Machines. Well, according to Optimus Prime,

in G1, the Matrix is made up of all of the knowledge

and wisdom in the world. You get to Beast Machines,

and it's a living entity now? How the fuck did

that happen? Well, again, like I said, they're

mixing up the AllSpark with the Matrix. I mean,

the Matrix in G1, well, when they finally made

it up in the movie, the way they explained it

was it was the accumulated wisdom of all of the

Autobot leaders. So literally, you've got the

brain pan of Autobot leaders all the way back

to the first. And I'm thinking early wise, I

think there was supposed to have been like 10

leaders. since the dawn of time, and Optimus

Prime was supposed to be like the tenth or something.

And so you've literally got the thoughts and

wisdom, all the good decisions that ten strong

leaders behind you have made, and you have that

within you and you can draw back upon it, and

that makes you the wisest person ever. Millions

and millions of years of wisdom compiled and

living in your chest, and that's awesome. But

here they're saying, oh wait, the Matrix is...

you know the all spark the all spark being you

know where all dead souls go you know you are

this is especially now that everyone's dead it's

like this huge riding ball of sparks but it's

also the matrix You know, things get confusing

because the writer's terminology is just a wee

bit off. It's kind of like how frustrated you

get when you watch Michael Bay movies in that

it's like, wait a minute, the Allspark is a giant

cube and the Matrix is this weird tribal tattoo

thing? What? Did the writers watch any G1 at

all? The Matrix was a meringue. Exactly, it's

a bad tribal tattoo boomerang. But no, it's like

that, it's frustrating. I mean, at least with

Beast Wars, or Beast Machines to a certain extent,

especially with Beast Wars and Beast Machines

to a certain extent, you know that the writer's

knowledge of G1 is limited, but... you know you

try again that's that suspension of disbelief

you try to work it in in your head so that it

all fits in order to to you know rectify the

canon and see i'm really questioning and wondering

because it says in the in the in the commentaries

bob skeer brings up several things or he springs

up the same point several times Marv Wolfman

wrote the Bible, the series Bible, Two Beast

Machines, which Wolfman was the one that brought

back Optimus Prime and Return of Optimus Prime

two -parter, and he had written several episodes

in the Generation 1 original cartoon. But for

some strange reason, Fox didn't want to work

with him or something, so they had Skier and

Eisenberg be the main writers, story editor,

or whatever the hell credits they have, series

producers. right whatever whatever it is you

know and i'm wondering if they didn't know if

they weren't in charge and wolfman was how would

be machines turn out is is what we have on dvd

now and on the screen back then in ninety nine

two thousand one is that what his vision was

I mean I know they did a lot of collaboration

with Marv because I know Bob respects Marv a

lot and Bob didn't want to really take Marv's

work and that's why you see Marv writing a few

of these episodes and stuff but I'm wondering

how much of Marv's original Bible is actually

what this series is. It's hard to tell. because

I've read interviews with Bob Skier that basically

say, what I wanted to do was bring religion into

Transformers. And it's like, well, is that what

you wanted to do or is that what Marv Wolfman

wanted to do? Because maybe Marv Wolfman had

absolutely no interest in going that route. I

mean, maybe he did. I can't imagine... Marv Wolfman

who has this long history with transformers Suddenly

saying I got an idea. Let's let's fuck off this

planet and you know First of all, we're gonna

insinuate that the core of the planet isn't you

know Primus but it is actually an organic core

that wants to come back out and grow trees on

the outside of the planet and and that and we're

cool with that because the the Oracle which is

essentially, you know the mind of Primus, let's

say. It's the overriding consciousness of the

planet. The Oracle says that that's how it should

be. I don't see Wolfman saying that. I don't

see that coming out in him. I could be wrong.

Maybe that's what he had in mind all along. But

I really think that was more of a skeer thing.

Maybe maybe it was Eisenberg. I don't know. I'm

not sure so to digress. Do you have anything

else for revelations part three? No, it was this

series not catered toward children because I

don't know every series sense that I mean what

the hell was Armada and Energon, oh god, Energon,

and please rip out my eyeballs. It was all catered

toward kids, toward little kids, who they're

hoping to peddle their wares to. And it was one

big, huge toy commercial. Why, maybe it was just

a unique point in time where the Beast Machines

occurred that they said, you know what? Let's

just write a really good story and we'll make

toys out of it. Maybe the kids will buy it Maybe

not, you know, but you know, the fact of the

matter is is that Kids didn't get into the show

Fox is known for their controversial shows Which

you know, of course they had to screw it up with

Beast Machines in some senses. I mean they did

really good and 90 % of the area of Beast Machines.

The religion is what kind of, I think, threw

everybody over. And I think because this series

was so dark, this also lends me to think, okay,

this was only like a year, pretty much, after

season three of Beast Wars, and from everything

I've read regarding the subject of... Dark glasses,

why the fuck didn't they make dark glass if they're

going this deep and dark in Beast Machines? Yeah,

exactly and dark glass from what I understand

isn't that deep and dark it was just Well and

from what I understand there was a gargoyles

episode a Disney program no less that there's

a character where you know, there's two Entities

souls fighting within one body So I would roughly

the same thing and it would have been the same

thing and that was around the same time and Why

couldn't they have done that? I Don't know. I

mean it's here I am to digress, you know of the

opinion that maybe the reason beast machines

only lasted 26 episodes is because The storyline

was so out in left field and the results as of

episode 26 is they screwed up the planet at this

point. It's like that trope. They ruined everything

forever. They ruined it so badly that they had

to switch to a completely different cannon to

escape from it. And see, that's the thing, too.

I don't think that they should have switched

from this timeline. They had a good thing going.

I mean they could have I mean shit they could

have still had like the Botkin comics and continued

from here and Had no older Transformers still

come back from away missions have You know some

beasts that are the Titan organic some that are

the Beast Wars level some that are you know I

mean just everything yeah, I mean I kind of want

to defend Hasbro's decision to go with a new

canon at that point because we would still be

trying to justify Japanese canon at this point.

How does them Argentinian repaints fit into the

main canon? You know, it's like yeah, I I'm all

for saying just scrap the whole lot and start

with a new canon. The Unicron trilogy? Is that

the canon we want? No, not really. No, not really.

I mean, it's just so convoluted at this point.

Because literally, I want to say in the year,

it was the year 2000, maybe 2001, when they first

announced Armada at BotCon. And they said, look

at what we got here. And I thought, wow, that

looks very Power Ranger -y. And Aaron Archer

sat up there and said, and you may be thinking

this looks a lot like Power Rangers. And what

we're doing is every couple of years, we're going

to switch storylines, kind of like Power Rangers.

You get a couple years of regular Power Rangers

and then a couple years of Dragon Power Rangers

and a couple years of Ninja Power Rangers and

a couple years of Rescue Vehicle Power Rangers

and none of those Power Rangers are related.

You know, they're all a new group of kids and

possibly even entirely different planets and

mythos's but You know, it's the same idea and

the names and the transforming will carry over

from from one line to another But this is a crossover

episode to link each Power Rangers series dun

dun dun I don't know a whole lot about Power

Rangers. I'm not gonna say either way But you

know what it coming down to is they're like,

you know what? We're sick of trying to justify

our cannon Across all these different toy lines

in different countries and all these different

years. Let's just grab the whole thing and start

over and Yeah, I You know, I understand their

need to do that. I just don't like the way they

they executed it But anyway Yeah, to digress.

We're just getting far afield here and I'm just

ranting Evil angry rants at this point. Yeah,

you know we started off the show with You know,

oh in 20 years 30 years down the road I'm going

to die and I probably won't be married anymore

and and the hero here I am ranting about you

know, how much I hate transformers and and you

know God shouldn't be in transformers. I mean,

so basically So basically what you're saying

is you're losing your transformers religion That

might be the best way to put it, yes. Losing

my religion. This is like the second time in

two weeks that I've made that REM reference in

two different shows, holy crap. So, Steve, your

thoughts on part three of Revelations Apocalypse?

Burn it. Burn it. I just, no, I like Rhinox coming

out finally. He came out of his robo shell and

He wants to you know, be in Megatron's bed with

him. So so to speak But yeah, I mean it's other

than that I don't there isn't really much to

tell other than tank horse got plans Tank horse

got plans Oh, no, it's not Danny Lee it is tank

or has got plans because the episode ends with

Tank or saying or Ryan Ryan or Tank knocks or

whatever you want to call him He says the next

you know enjoy it while you can optimus because

the next time we meet it will not be as allies

or whatever the hell he says Yes, okay That's

pretty much what he said, but I mean he didn't

say ha ha I'm taking shit over now You know which

you know if Dark Designs is anything to draw

from he fully intends to take over the you know

from Megatron Oh, he intends to take over, but

he intends to wipe out both Optimus and Megatron

at the same time It'll be interesting to see

how it pans out Not giving anything away, but

you know spoiler interesting yeah exactly Dun

-dun -dun. Oh, crap. Sorry, I'm busy moving power

core combiner limbs over here. I think that about

sums it up for the episode. Stop playing with

your power core thingamajiggers. My thingamajigger?

You would deny me the pleasure of playing with

my thingamajigger? I did not say that! Don't

even f - Oh my god. Holy shit. Are we going to

some quotes or what the hell are we going to

now? I think we're going to cut to a scene from

the Three Fighter and then we'll go to some quotes.

So we'll be back after these audio clips. We'll

return to the Beast Unleashed podcast after this.

Here's quote number one. Glad to have you back

in charge, big boy. Sorry you accepted the job.

You mean I had a choice? Here's quote number

two. Hey, I got one, Maximal. Do I hear two,

two, two, Maximal? Two, two, Maximals. I'm sorry.

Victims cannot make a bid. Two, Maximals. So

to the handsome devil with the silver wings,

me. End quote number three. Megatron isn't the

problem. You are. You don't know what you're

saying. Megatron has started a war between the

organic and the technological. But we can overcome

the destructive force of his rapid technology.

Don't you see, Optimus? Nature is the destructive

force. Megatron's right. As long as sparks remain

individualistic, the wars will only continue.

Continue! Here's a clip that actually relates

to the Blackarachnia thing from Spada. Where's

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