This Is Us Review

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episode and now. So welcome, ma 'am. How are

you? I'm very good. Thanks for having me. That's

right. We're here to talk about NBC's new hit

series, This Is Us. We're going to be talking

about the first five episodes. We'll go over

the, when it airs, the main plot line and the

cast and all that good stuff and everything else.

Um, but yeah, I looked back and I'm like, when

was the last time she was on one of these things?

I'm like, Oh my God, it was two years ago. Yeah.

Yeah, it didn't seem that long, but it was. It

was the robot we were talking about, right? Yep,

yep. And a buddy of mine who does local radio

morning show, Jesse Raz, they were talking about,

he and his co -host, MJ, she and he were talking

about TV shows that they like and things like

that. And she's one of those that enjoy the,

you know, blood -soaked revenge shows or you

know stuff like that and he's like no I prefer

you know the the emotional torture of this is

us and I'm like I've heard of this show and I

called it I'm like this is us is emotional torture

he's like dude you have no idea it'll make you

cry and I'm like yeah okay whatever so I told

him I said alright well generally I give any

new television show at least five episodes And

I asked him, I said, is that gonna be enough

for me to give the show an overall kind of review

for you? He goes, yeah, it should be fine. So

I call in and I'm like, okay, so I've watched

the first five episodes, I've taken notes on

it, there's certain things that shocked me, certain

things that, you know, but I didn't cry over

the damn show, at least not yet, anyway, for

the first - Yeah, yeah, we'll get into it, but

it's like you know he was like oh my god This

is ripping my heart out, and I'm like no dude

Kit falling into an acid pit in 1980s Knight

Rider rips my heart out not this show I mean

it's interesting that somebody called it emotional

torture because I would almost say the opposite.

It's cathartic to me and I think it kind of depends

on your perspective. So for me, I like to cry

and I like to feel all the, kind of the depth

of human emotion. And this show deliberately

is like, let's talk about what it means to be

human, how sad everything is, how happy, how

poignant, how all of the kind of like... you

know, what does it mean to be human and have

family and love and loss and all that stuff?

And it isn't, for some people, and that's not

a place they like to go. They prefer not to be,

I guess, tortured in that way. For others, they

find it really cathartic to kind of, I guess

you're like releasing all the stuff that you.

you experience that in a weirdly healthy way

by letting it out through this show. And for

me, yeah, it's my kind of emotional release every

week. I mean, there is crying, but I'm cool with

it. Yeah, and I'm fine with it. I can cry over

television shows. This just isn't one of them

yet. And that's one of the points of us doing

a take five episode here on Remote Control is

that we look at the beginning part of the show,

the first five. episodes and see if it's something

we're going to stick with or not, you know, I,

you know, it took all the self control in the

world for me not to watch episode six before

we started recording this. And with, you know,

the Canadian Skype difficulties, I probably could

have finished episode six. I can get some history

on your on your obviously you told you said you

cry during Knight Rider so that gives me a little

What makes you upset were you the kind of guy

that get that checked out shows like Like Parenthood

those kind of shows because that's that's what

I would like in this show to you the kind of

these sort of family family cry fest Yeah, I've

heard of Parenthood, but no I missed the boat

on that one I'm more when it comes to the family

shows. It's more of like the comedies like I

Get it In his early days. He was a monster, but

that to me does not take anything away from the

Cosby show and what I learned from that as a

child. No, you have to separate that from, I

almost, I kind of give it like the Michael Jackson

treatment. I just pretend that it only existed

at a certain point and then I ignore that anything

happened afterwards. That's the way to go. Exactly.

You know, I mean, the Cosby show was something

that, you know, it taught me how, you know, You

get a purple bag for people you do know at Halloween

and a red bag for the strangers and all you know

You know it had all these little life lessons

in it and whatever else so I'm more gravitate

towards like the family comedies more than the

family tragedies I Wouldn't say tragedy. I guess

it's more family. Oh god. What's the word for

it? It's a I? Can't think it's a melodrama Yeah,

Mellow Jumbo would be fair. Mellow Jumbo would

certainly be fair I think because it's there's

it's certainly light -hearted in many aspects,

but it's also Yeah, it's also very Yeah, and

and I like the show. I'm not saying I don't like

this show I did enjoy what I was watching and

I do have notes that I took that will go through

a little bit later But it's one of those things

where it doesn't matter what it is If something

is so popular that it just is in my face all

the time and everybody's talking about it, I

need to step back, walk away, and find it on

my own after the popularity of it has died. Like

I did not watch Jessica Jones immediately when

it came out. I watched Daredevil immediately,

I watched Daredevil Season 2 immediately, I watched

Luke Cage like a week after it was out, and then

I had to go back to watch Jessica Jones because

I skipped it, you know. So that's the thing for

me, it's like... I'm kind of breaking my own

rule here of just leave it alone until it's dead.

What I find interesting about this, the popularity

of this though, for me it was a little bit inspiring

because it did kind of come out of nowhere in

that, I mean it's a network show, it's got a

big marketing push behind it, it's not really

fair to call it an underdog, but these days the

things that become the hits or the phenomenons

tend to have a big action edge or some kind of

like creepy twist or something that is a little

less. straightforward. I mean, we'll talk about

how the show is a little bit twisty later, but

the fact that it's a straightforward family show

about these people and their lives, and that

it's become such a hit in a day and age when,

let's face it, not a lot of things hit big. You

know, you have middling hits, but you don't have

a lot of scripted hits, hits on network television

that aren't, you know, CSI. you know, some kind

of procedural in CBS. So it was just kind of

interesting and fun for me to see this one hit.

It kind of made me want to watch it more. I guess

I had the opposite reaction. I just was like,

oh, this is so cool that something that's just

pure emotion is hitting people like this. Yeah.

And like I said, once I started watching it,

I wanted to watch more. I watched the Between

the Time This Will Go Up on Wednesday, the 22nd

of March. Between that time the time we're recording

it and like the weekend before we recorded it

I watched the first five episodes within 72 hours

of each other, but Watch the first two episodes.

I watched the third episode and then I watched

four and so I you know I broke it up I wasn't

gonna sit here and marathon the whole thing because

that would just be way too much And I had other

things I had to do as well to coincide But it's

one of those things where now that I've seen

the first five episodes I'll say right now this

probably is not a show that I'm gonna drop But

it's one of those shows where and I find for

me with TV nowadays unless and this is sad unless

Unless it's the CW superhero shows, I do not

have an absolute need to watch it the next day.

I pay for Hulu, I love Hulu and all that stuff,

and I love that the next day episodes are there

for a lot of the shows that I watch, like Shades

of Blue, which is also on NBC, like 24 on Fox,

and APB on Fox, and whatever else, but... like

it might take like twenty four came out on monday

and that last monday yet took me a week to watch

last week's twenty four so i just i've got too

much of the stuff going on to where i still love

television i still love watching television but

because of the age of technology we live in now

I don't feel the need to absolutely watch it

when it's happening. Hell, I don't even have

an actual TV. I watch all the stuff on my computer.

I'm the same, if not worse. I watched the first

episode of This Is Us back when it came out,

but not right away. I would say at least a couple

days. Then I stockpiled a bunch and binged them

at Christmas. I'm actually programmed now. I

enjoy a show more when I've got at least five

to 10 episodes to just kill in a day. I did that.

I would say that most of the first half of this

series, and then I kind of did them maybe three

or four episodes at a time until the finale,

but yeah, that was quite an emotional day. Quite

an emotional day. Apparently so. And I will say

another thing about this series. After my buddy

Jesse told me about it, and again, I had heard

about it, I had seen things on social media,

but I didn't really pay attention. I just knew

people were talking about it, so before I even

watched it, I did nothing. I did not go on Wikipedia,

IMDB, anything, because I wanted to experience

it almost like a cold open. And there are only

three actors in this series that I know, and

that's really sad, and I almost forgot where

the third guy, where I knew him from. So obviously,

everybody knows Mandy Moore. Most everybody who

were alive in the 90s might not or who were born

in the 90s might not know many more from you

know Her her pop star days before and then you

know subsequently a walk to remember that there's

there's probably some people who are Discovering

this as teenagers who don't really know who she

is And well the other thing I remember from and

sadly it only got one season Red Band Society.

She was one of the doctors in that. Yeah, that

was a great show. So I know her. Justin Hartley

was Arrow at one point on Smallville. He was.

So I remember him. And Ron Cephas Jones is Bobby

Fish from Luke Cage. And it took me like three

of the five episodes to realize who the hell

he actually was. Are you saying you did not know

who Milo Ventimiglia was coming into this? Yep,

pretty much. oh my god but the gilmore girls

yeah that was a show that never that was the

gilmore girls to me is live action my little

pony it's for girls what about heroes i never

got heroes is a lame excuse for an x -men ripoff

i like the first season they didn't do what they

could have done with the show but okay all right

Oh, he was in an episode of CSI in 2000. Who

has not been in an episode of CSI or at least

Law and Order? Like, I think that's kind of a

rite of passage of everyone working in television

in between getting their own series. They're

going to be on an episode of probably Special

Victims Unit or some CSI. That's kind of like

what you got to do as an actor to just pay the

bills in between. How did I miss the fact that

he was the ogre in Gotham back in 2015 for three

episodes? Okay then. Right, yeah There's a lot

of great actors in this series. I mean, I know

absolutely and of course Sterling K. Brown, who

is probably one of the best surprises of this

series, has had an incredible sort of year and

a half before that, because he was in The People

vs. OJ Simpson playing Christopher Darden, one

of the prosecutors working with Marsha Clark,

and he was fantastic in that, and I had just

watched that earlier. So when I saw he was in

this series, that was kind of a compelling reason

for me to watch it, and he recently took home

the Emmy for his role in The People vs. OJ Simpson.

I just think he's like phenomenal, phenomenal

actor. Yeah, now that I'm looking through his

filmography here, I've seen him in a bunch of

other things, like he was in Castle for an episode.

He's one of those actors, and I'm not saying

this to belittle any actor, I'm saying he's one

of those actors that shows up for an episode

or two, you know. in certain shows like supernaturally

showed up in four episodes of that series alias

he was in an episode without a trace he was in

an episode and that's and that's more than fine

you know he's going under the radar until until

until the people versus o .j. simpson and i think

what's interesting is he's probably cast in the

series He was definitely cast in this series

before that kind of became a huge thing So it's

it's interesting with the confluence of events

Sometimes these actors have this big year where

one thing comes out after the other But they

couldn't predict either of those things were

gonna hit so it's just kind of like this crazy

Windfall for someone like him to not suddenly

be like a household name In this crazy into crazy

big series that that everyone was talking about

so and Chrissy Metz who plays Kate in this The

first time I saw her, I honestly thought, and

this is bad, folks, I honestly thought it was

Melissa McCarthy. No, no, no, I'm not saying

that to take away from the actual actress's acting,

but again, other than the faces that I recognize,

like Mandy Moore, like Justin Hartley, like Cephas

Jones, even though I didn't really remember right

away, I honestly thought Melissa McCarthy was

doing a serious, serious thing. She's pretty

busy, though. I don't think she has time for

this right now. Yeah. Chrissy Metz is a beautiful

surprise, I think. Yeah, absolutely. She steals

the show. It's funny, because I could almost

say that about anybody. I feel like one of the

things I like about the show is I don't think

there are any weak links. I feel like everybody

is really stepping up their game. All of the

performances are great. The relationships are

great. Of course, there are definitely weak storylines

at times. In a series, you're always going to

get part of an episode where you're just like,

where are they going with this? But the actual

actors and the relationships they've established,

it's pleasantly surprising that there don't seem

to be any weak links, at least as far as I'm

concerned. And all the guest stars that they've

had and again, this was This premiered in September

of 2016 so it was right before his death and

I Really hate it when I see stuff from people

who I know are now gone Because it that that's

what emotionally tore me up and I'm like, oh

my god, they put Alan Thicke in this show Yes,

cuz he had already passed and obviously I'm seeing

this almost, you know a full year later Um, which,

you know, but you know, they get Brad Garrett

for a cameo as the network guy and they get Katie

Seagal, which is awesome and interesting and

fun. Um, the overall plot of the show is that...

The way I describe it is it's a time traveling

show without a DeLorean or a police box, essentially.

Well, I'm saying, like, I didn't remember that

my buddy Jesse said that the way that the story

is told, it's told in present and... I didn't

remember that when I first went down to... So

by the end of the first episode, going into the

second episode, I'm like... So the two main characters

are the parents of the three other main characters

Okay, then because originally I thought all of

these people were going to have one big life

event That connected them somehow that was not

the fact that they're you know the parents of

the children and vice versa Well, that's what

that's what the trailer led you to believe the

trailer I didn't even see the trailer so right

well. They kind of played it up like that. It

was very much about Again, about humanity, about

who are we, how are we connected. They were asking

these kind of big questions, and they very much

marketed as this kind of emotional journey that

you were going to go on. They didn't quite say,

hey, there's going to be a twist here, but you

got the idea that something big was going to

connect these people. And so when you were watching

it, or at least when I was without having known

this, I was kind of trying to look out for what

it was going to be. And I did actually figure

it out, or I thought I had figured it out, and

it turned out to be right. probably about two

-thirds of the way through, it occurred to me

that I kind of understood what was going on here.

And then, of course, it did turn out to be the

case. I don't know if I would call it a time

travel joke. Well, you know what I mean. They're

going back between the present and the past.

It's a flashback series that has... Would say

it's using the flashback in a in a different

way than people have done it in past years because

I think The flashback has become a little bit

overused in some cases Well, yeah air doesn't

even need the flashbacks that drags that whole

show down But I mean, you know I guess one of

the first shows that I watched that I actually

did that because it was probably lost lost kind

of took the idea of okay We're taking these people

in present time and said and a good way of digging

into them and really getting into the heart of

who they are Is to have episodes that kind of

focus on these flashback moments about them And

then it became a thing that everybody had to

do It was very difficult people to tell an ensemble

story without the requisite flashback section

of the story What I like about this is you're

getting all these different time periods and

it and if they're all interwoven in a way Even

though we're talking past and present and future

not future. Let's okay. It's like there's no

future. We're not yet But it feels like a mosaic

of time in one family's life Rather than a straight

-up flashback. So it's yeah, it's crazy. Yeah,

because they the way the writing is done in the

way the the crafting of of the flashbacks and

and and the press it's it's all intermingled

into a specific moment in time of each character

yes and that's what is just so fun about it uh...

you know and and i you know i i'm half joking

when i say it's a time travel show but that's

the only thing i can think of at the time because

i really like you said every show and its brother

uses flashbacks. Like, I think in five seasons

the only flashback on Arrow that I absolutely

adored was when they used a flashback for Renee

in season five. To give us, okay, well I'm not

gonna spoil it for you. I wouldn't worry about

spoilers. I'm just saying. Instead of doing something

with Oliver on the island or wherever they they

use part of one of the season five episodes to

Give us a flashback to Renee's Wild dogs previous

life before he joined up with team arrow, but

what this is us I you know like I said Going

in I was kind of skeptical, but after I would

say probably the middle of the second episode.

I was pretty much hooked That's good, yeah. It

took me maybe five minutes, and I was like, well,

this show was made for me. These are my people.

This is my show. I knew that from the trailer,

to be honest. I thought, unless this show is

so badly written that I can't stand it, this

is a show that was designed for me, completely

designed for me. I love simple shows about what

it means to be family. That's my bread and butter.

That's something that draws me in time and time

again. Everwood, Parenthood, the comedies as

well, especially some of the current comedies

like the Goldbergs, Fresh Off the Boat, Blackish.

Life in pieces these are shows that that touch

on that from a more comedic perspective But I

am always drawn in by that and by the relationships

that we have in the family and it's that we have

They just tug on my heartstrings in in the best

possible way. So this delivered on that promise.

Yeah Absolutely, do you have a favorite character

in the show at this point? I guess it toggles

back and forth a little bit But I would say that

it probably would be Randall overall. And that's

partly because it's Jillian K. Brown and how

much I... how much I love his performance in

the show. But I think his character has gone

through maybe the most interesting situations

and sort of arcs so far because he was adopted

and reunited with his birth father. He has sort

of been dealing with dual identity, the fact

that he was black growing up in a white family,

the fact that there was deception there. his

mother knowing who his his real father was the

whole time um yeah there's just you know and

then and then he's the only one now really with

with his own family he's the only one with the

wife and the kids experiencing that at the same

time like he's got those levels to him and of

course and the uh well actually i won't get into

that because you haven't gotten there yet but

there's i almost spoiled you oh my god His character

gets really interesting, aside from what they've

already shown. Yeah, I mean, really, honestly,

everything he has gone through from the flashbacks

until the present day throughout the first five

episodes is probably one of, if not the most

interesting character arcs in the show to this

point for me, because, like you said, and like

they even say in the show, they make fun of the

kid basically by calling him Webster. Yeah, wasn't

wasn't Webster an NBC show I could be wrong.

No, I don't know. I don't remember Yeah, but

it was one of those things where what I liked

about it was as his character grew And through

the flashbacks the parents, you know, you're

seeing the mother going up to the other African

-american lady asking her Like I thought that

whole scene at the pool I thought that was gonna

blow up even more than what it had already happened

Yeah, they hit that with a lot of Dignity and

kind of subtlety like there there were moments,

but they didn't turn it into this kind of stereotypical

Melodramatic thing, you know, it was sort of

like a a mini confrontation where the mother

realized that she should go back and kind of

swallow her pride and figure out what was best

for her son, which isn't what a lot of people

would do, I think, it was a smart thing to do.

I'd be interested to see the writing staff, because

they're tackling some, they're definitely tackling

the issue of... of race in this show in an inclusive

way so it feels like it's about the experience

of how we all, I guess how we all experience

race, but this character is living a dual identity

sort of as a black man who grew up in a white

family and then rediscovering his biological

black father and kind of what that means as well.

I do seem to see the writing staff, I hope they've

got some African Americans on. On the staff who

are authentically speaking to that experience.

It feels like they do but again, I can't say

that being a white person I can't say if it's

hitting that mark, but it just there's something

about it to me that feels That feels special

about the way they're handling that storyline

and I I hope it I hope it rings true With the

african -american audience as well The the thing

with with William his but that was one of the

things that kind of rocked me was us getting

to see William's story yeah about how he met

the girl and who would eventually become Randall's

mother and You know that was cool. I thought

that was really well done the fact that You know

Mandy Moore's character does know about him because

she saw him at the hospital that day and You

know that The way that whole thing comes out

is just really, really interesting. And again,

it's just very excellent writing. What was the

other one? The other part of the story, and with

Kate's story about being a fat kid and a fat

adult, and I'm not saying that to be cruel, I

am. Somewhere close to 380, so. I'm not a skinny

guy. So it's like, it's one of those things where,

and I know a lot of people who are in her type

of shoes, a good buddy of mine, actually the

co -creator of This Week in Gate, Michael Dodd,

he's on his way to losing a bunch of the weight

that he has had for years and years and years

now. He's doing really, really well. You know,

so it's one of those things where I look at that

and I see that and I'm like, oh, damn. because

the emotional charge to her character in her

character arc she the way i perceived it was

she felt that she couldn't pretty much indulge

in anything as far as food goes like she had

always have rice cakes or whatever and she had

to do the exercise and you know and she meets

toby who i guess eventually becomes her fiance

because they don't really get to that point the

first five episodes are dating um... but they

don't really get to the whole point of them being

a more serious couple yet. Which I like him,

he's funny. He's great. I really do like, I think

the show doesn't shy away from the whole fat

issue. Because oftentimes, whether it's fat people

or non fat people are afraid to use the word

fat. And only because it's been made it's turned

into such a negative word that We're people are

afraid to talk about themselves and what they're

experiencing And I like that Kate is sort of

like kind of attack attacking those issues head

-on and we're not making judgments on on really

whether Obviously her character at this point

is saying I want to lose the weight, but we're

not Attaching this idea that she necessarily

can't be happy if she doesn't or she is less

of a person if she doesn't. We're kind of attacking

the issues that go along with dealing with weight

and understanding that it's always gonna be an

issue for people because it's the world they

live in. And yeah, there's some health concerns

tied to that as well, of course. But it's more

complicated than just fat is bad, lose weight.

Like that's not what they're going with. And

I like that, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean,

she even said, and that's one of the reasons

why I love Toby. Toby, again, is a is a bigger

guy a fat person and with him coming into her

life he's trying to show her that you know who

you are is a beautiful person whether you're

fat skinny or whatever it doesn't matter because

your personality shines through and he's trying

to show her that and at one point close to the

i think it's either the end of the fourth or

the middle or end of the fifth episode, she says

something to him about the fact that her issues

with it are never gonna go away. And that's fine.

Her issues don't have to go away, but I think

he is there to support her no matter what. And

to show her, I think you're right, that she's

kind of been living with this, you know, the

toggling between this two ideas of overindulgence

and then underindulgence, right? And the fact

that He can sort of step outside that at times

and just be happy just go dance Just you know

have a day where you take someone out and you're

just people and you know you're you're just people

in love you're just people dating you're just

people having a good time and Sometimes that

like you don't have to be stopped from doing

those things because of the issues that hold

you back in terms of your weight especially I

think he Brings that out in her and and lets

her see that which is which is it's a good Like

opening up for her because he's kind of like

yeah, I need to lose some weight I'm gonna lose

some weight, but it doesn't change the fact that

you know He can still put on a flamboyant outfit

and go dancing and and doesn't have to feel bad

about himself, right? Like that Yeah, that's

empowering. I think oh absolutely it is very

much so So as I'm going through this I like the,

this is just a small silly thing, but the big

three saying thing that the three of them have,

I thought that was interesting. Yeah. It's kind

of like their secret handshake. Wasn't exactly

sure at the end of the first episode how, like

I knew how Randall, or well before that we get

to that Kyle, Was part of the big three now because

again many things going on in this show one of

the things is the fact that Mandy Moore's character

she loses one of her triplets during pregnancy

during delivery That whole scene was emotionally

charged, and I just I love that doctor that doctor

is awesome We were talking about guest stars

he is my favorite guest star on the show Because

you're right. He was just kind of this like guy

that popped in at a nowhere He wasn't supposed

to be their doctor and yet he was exactly what

they needed and he was this Old school, I mean

old school. I say this because we didn't know

at the time that it was a flashback So he wasn't

actually in the 70s So he wasn't so much old

school as the right appropriate amount of school

for the time But he was he was he kind of delivered

some of the most um, I guess profound uh speeches

in the um in in the in the pilot and uh And in

in the second episode, I believe it was as well.

It was a third Yeah, something like that. He

was great. Yeah. Yeah, he really really was um

Yeah, I mean that but with that whole scene and

then the whole thing with With them trying to

figure out how to because the parents Jack and

Rebecca They wanted to name the kids Kevin Kate

and Kyle yes, they had a boy girl boy and Kyle

was a stillborn so they gave that name to the

baby who was left at the fire station again I

hadn't realized just yet that this was the same

part of the story of Randall. I didn't realize

that was going to be Randall at the time. You

didn't know that? I didn't get it right away.

You were supposed to get that right at the end

of the first episode. Lightning bolt, which again,

I caught about two thirds of the way through.

I thought, I feel like I know what's going to

happen here. I feel like... He's the third kid

somehow. I didn't know how it was gonna happen,

but I got it I think I kind of I feel like I

feel like this is taking place in the past Because

they're twins and it's their birthday and somehow

that made sense to me, right? But I can't believe

it so you kind of you didn't really get the big

twist until part way through the second episode

Yeah, it took me a while Hey, it's a lot to take

in So yeah, I finally got the twist. Then we

get to the point where she's like, well, the

baby isn't taking to me. The baby isn't doing

this. And that's when we see her go off to meet

William and talk to him. And that's kind of where

we kind of get part of more of his story. And

she asks him what was the name of the author

or the name of the poet or whatever it was that

he would read to his wife. And he gives the book

by Douglas Randall. And that's where we get the

name for the third child. Absolutely enjoyed

that. Again, I think the magical thing about

this series is how well the present day and the

flashbacks go back and forth. There's a lot of

shows out there that do that stuff where, to

me, it can be very jarring going back and forth.

Yeah, or you just kind of feel like it's filler

sometimes like you make the way you said about

arrows sometimes You're just like well, you're

just doing this because the structure of the

show involves flashbacks But is there is there

a real point to these flashbacks and I think

With this show. I never feel like it's filler.

I feel like it's it's an organic part of the

story By the time we get to like around episode

four we get the whole plot line of Toby and Kate

and She sees him with his ex -wife and that causes

her a whole bunch of other issues and you know

the same issue she's had but that just you know

kind of makes them flare up and Cuz cuz she's

a skinny kind of model looking woman and Kate

just was taken aback, didn't expect that Toby

would have dated someone like that. And I think

that's part of that sort of what we built for

ourselves culturally, that the idea that, okay,

well, if you could have something like that,

why do you then go backwards to a fat girl? That's

how she's feeling, sort of, that idea that he

couldn't possibly want her if he could get You

know like what for all intents and purposes looks

like a supermodel Yeah, but that isn't really

the point. You know he he sees her as something

other than just You know a fat person. Mm -hmm,

and he even tells her closely in the episode

when they're in bed together He says, you know

Being with my ex was hell. She treated me like

crap Yeah But what I found, the first note when

she goes into the store is like, oh, she's going

to get in trouble, isn't she? And then comes

the scene about, oh, job? Really? Oh, soon as

I saw that, I knew bad things were going to happen.

Yeah. Well, I think, um, One of my favorite part

of this series throughout the episode so far

is just been how the siblings relate to each

other in various ways. I think that's been, you

know, both in the past and in the present because

you're kind of seeing that develop on two levels

which is really interesting. Kevin and Randall.

Specifically, I've always been fascinated by

it, and you kind of see that there's a little

bit of a resentment developing in the past, you

know, because there's sort of this sense that

maybe Jack and Rebecca pay extra attention to

Randall, too. You know, Kevin basically pointed

out in the episode four, I believe, with the

pool episode that, you know... Yeah, he nearly

drowned. They're too busy worrying about what

Kate eats or worrying about that she's okay with

her weight and worrying that Randall doesn't

feel too adopted. He's kind of this typical blonde

-haired, blue -eyed, seemingly well -adjusted

kid who's never going to have problems being

popular and whatnot, but that creates a different

level of anxiety within him and insecurities.

I think he's still got those as an adult. And

the way he relates to Randall as an adult is

kind of interesting too. More good stuff comes

on that front for sure. And then the twins, you

know, with Kate and Kevin, you know, I love that

Kevin isn't this, you know, he's playing this

typical himbo on TV. And yes, he's the guy with

all of the women who, you know, kind of has this

very shallow lifestyle. But he's so... He's so

good with his sister. He like she's still the

most important thing in his life And that's kind

of like an interesting, you know, he could be

the guy that's like ashamed of the overweight

sister You know, but you know He jumps as soon

as she calls, you know to go help her and he's

a hundred percent supportive to her and he treats

her You know with that most respect it gets it

which is an interesting thing, right? You know,

like that bond that they have is something that

goes beyond the shallow confines of his life

well the scene where where he goes to New York

and he lands and she and Toby are in bed and

she kind of jolts up because she felt the plane

landing because she you know these are the twin

connection whatever else he's like are you okay

and she goes yeah he's okay you know and then

that's just is so nice to see Kevin's character,

yeah, you're right. He seems to be the, even

though he is the oldest child, he seems to almost

have middle child syndrome. Because like you

said, they're worried about Kate, they're worried

about Randall with their individual issues, and

they just assume Kevin's going to be normal.

Yeah, that's a great way to put it. I like that

sort of middle child syndrome, even though he's

not the middle child, because he is sort of...

You expect someone like that to be okay. And

in a way, on the surface, he is kind of going

to always be okay because he's got the looks,

he's got the charm. People are drawn to him,

but everyone's got their own issues. But on the

surface, right? And his issues honestly stem

from the way that he got into the business as

an actor for television. You know, you'd talk

to any of the classic 80s stars, whether it be

Michael J. Fox, whether it be Ricky Schroeder,

whether it be, you know, Punky Brewster, no pun

intended here, folks, but Webster, you know.

You know, I think. Any of those people, any of

those child stars will tell you that it's a very,

very grueling life. And even as an adult where

Kevin is in the business and he's on this show

that's this weird, whacked out comedy, The Manny,

he wants to do more serious stuff. He wants to

be taken seriously and they won't, they don't

want, you know. they want their formula they

want what works and he goes off on the show and

goes to New York and tries to do the you know

the plays and whatever else and it doesn't really

work at first other than the fact that you know

the casting people called the called the chick

back and said oh they they want you because they

think the man he's gonna put butts in the seats

that has nothing to do with his acting ability

and that has to do something to his character

of, well crap, they just want me because I'm

quote unquote famous. They don't want me because

of the performance I gave. There was a great

episode in this bunch, I believe it was episode

four, or was it episode five? Which is the one

where he got the family to kind of, he was babysitting

Randall's kids. Yeah, it's episode five. He was

talking about death. Oh my God, I wanted to kill

him at first. It was difficult because everyone

dies, including your mom and dad. I mean, this

conversation is going very badly. But it was

interesting that William kind of gave him a bit

of a pep talk. He had that hidden depth, right?

When he gets a new role, he paints what he thinks

it looks like, what the script feels like to

him, and he's a little embarrassed by it, and

I think that's because I think when people, if

Kevin were to say to somebody, hey, I'm painting,

they would look at him like, oh, of course you

are. It's just one of these little things that

pretty people do to try to feel deep, and that's

how he feels. He feels weird talking about. something

that nobody's gonna believe is a real part of

himself and so he shares it with his nieces,

Randall's children, and shows them this painting

and of course he kind of gives what is a little

bit of a metaphor for the series about, you know,

he was painting this play and how he sees the

play and he talks about how it's kind of like

this interwoven world where everybody plays,

you know, this role in each other's story and

it's all interconnected and and that's that's

a little bit what this is us is it's it's kind

of like that like what he thinks that painting

is essentially yeah and that's the that's the

greatest thing about his character is that you

think in the first part of that part of episode

five that you think he's going to go down road

that is just so god -awful and just the worst

explanation ever and they're gonna go back to

their parents and they're gonna say oh my god

uncle Kevin said this and we don't want you to

die and blah blah blah but again like you said

he gets a pep talk from William and he goes back

and he reveals this part of himself that we as

the audience had not seen before and they as

the characters had not seen before and it makes

it better because I swear as soon as he started

talking about it in that first part of the I

wanted to kill the guy I really really really

did because it is a little funny but it's so

funny that it's Beyond awkward and it just made

me feel awkward that he's trying to explain his

way out of a bag of snakes Yeah, and he just

can't Well, you know he is he's he's a pretty

as aside from middle child center He's also got

man child syndrome to like he's he's 36. They're

all 36. That's kind of the whole point You know

that birthday when the show starts the same age

their their dad was when Jack was when he had,

when they were born and when Randall was adopted.

But he's kind of like the perpetual, you know,

doesn't know how to grow up. You know, Kate sort

of took care of him a lot. She was his, I guess,

kind of like assistant slash fixer, right? She

just kind of fixed his whole life all the time.

You know, and he had to kind of part with that.

And then he couldn't stay in a hotel because

he didn't like being alone. So he ends up in

Randall's house. Like he... He is kind of like

the Matthew McConaughey figure in some of those

rom -coms who just doesn't know really how to

grow up and how to relate in that way. So of

course, dealing with kids, even though they're

his relatives, it's like he's that awkward dude

who just doesn't know how to have a conversation

with a seven -year -old that isn't really inappropriate.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you want to talk about

inappropriate, some of William's stories. And

when Randall looks at him, or when the wife looks

at him, he's like, oh yeah, whoops, I better

not say anything about that. I love the father,

William. Like, I knew at the end of episode five

that obviously he passed. Because the whole point

of Randall finding William is that... Randall

finds out that he has stomach cancer or whatever

kind of cancer that he has and he doesn't have

that long to live and so they the way I viewed

it was that they're making the best out of the

time that he has left and by the end of the fifth

episode when he introduces William he finally

is not ashamed to say oh this is my biological

father and you know he says to Kevin he goes

oh that's gonna you know Kevin's like oh that's

gonna be a longer conversation later you know

And that's just so great and that's what makes

this show great is how all of this stuff interconnects

and even with Toby and Kate in episode five with

the whole football thing and we find out that,

you know, Jack the father is actually deceased

at this point because that was a very big they

kind of played that out as a mystery throughout

episodes because you know, there was a there

was a bit of a time when. I was worried they

were going to be like, every episode ends with

a twist. Oh my God, what's really happening?

Because of course, the first episode ends with,

oh, Randall is actually the brother of Kate and

Kevin. He's the third triplet who was adopted,

and they're in the past, and we're telling these

two stories. So that's kind of a big twist. And

then the second episode ended with Mandy Moore,

who is in the present time, with some, I guess,

admirable old lady makeup still don't make. It

still doesn't really make her look like an old

lady, but it's about as good as they could do.

It is NBC, after all. I mean, the Peacock can

only give so much money. Right. So she shows

up at Randall's house as his mother to say hi,

and she's with her husband, who is not Jack,

but actually Jack's best friend, Miguel, who

we've met in the past flashbacks. So that's kind

of a twist because we're thinking... Okay, where's

Jack worse because there was drama in the in

the second episode Jack had a bit of a drinking

problem and he promised to quit drinking but

then at the end of the second episode in the

present you know we know that Rebecca is no longer

married to him so you're kind of wondering what

happened to him and they let that play out for

a little bit it seemed like it was going to be

longer where you never saw present Jack so you

didn't know if he existed you know was he did

they get divorced did he not speak to his family

anymore or was he you know Was he dead? And we

find out he was dead. We don't know how, but

we know that he did pass away and Kate watches

football with his ashes every week, which is

a weird, weird thing to do. It's funny. My mom

passed away a couple years ago. And I had her

cremated. My plan was to go back home to Massachusetts

to spread her ashes on Plymouth Beach or something

like in our hometown, things like that. I still

have yet to do it. And I make the joke, oh yeah,

my mom's in the closet because that's where the

box of ashes are. It's like I didn't even, I

didn't get an urn, I didn't like, I wanted to

celebrate my mom's life after she passed. I didn't

want to focus on the sadness and the tragedy

and the depression that comes with death. Oh

yeah, you're that. You know, um... My grandparents,

my grandparents ashes are in my childhood bedroom

and for a while they didn't have an urn for my

grandmother. My grandmother had bought this fancy

urn for my grandfather when she was still alive

and she passed away and my parents were still

trying to figure out what to put her in. And

I kept forgetting that and opening this box and

going what's oh right ashes and then closing

it. You have that weekly like you play around

with things. Oh my god every time every time

because it was just like a cardboard box full

of ashes, but Yeah, no, I mean it's it's it's

um It's just interesting that not only does she

have the ashes But that she sort of puts a baseball

football hat on the ashes and Toby doesn't doesn't

Toby do that at the end or does she do that?

I can't remember. I thought that she sort of

but she has this ritual where she sort of sits

and watches the game with her dad's ashes, but

he's kind of trying to lighten it a little bit.

And she wouldn't tell him either. It's interesting

because, you know, there's obviously some deeper

issues there because, you know, it would have

been a simple explanation to kind of just say,

well, I want to watch football by myself because

I used to watch it with my dad and it's kind

of a... more of a reflective moment for me and

I just prefer to do it on my own. But she was

so secretive about it that of course he's going

to be like, okay, what's going on? Yeah, absolutely.

And yeah, he brings over this buddy of his and

he invites her as well. And, you know, they basically,

you know, do the current day technology thing

of pausing the TV and this, you know, nearly

sends her into a seizure. But again, no seriously,

she's just freaking out, like she's going, like

her head's going to explode if she cannot watch

the Pittsburgh Steelers lose, the Steelers lose,

the New England Patriots, sorry. Anyway, so yeah,

and you know, her character just kind of freaks

out. And again, it's showing more of Kate, and

that's interesting, and again, you know, you're

right. She could have just come out and told

him that, but. Would it have made the rest of

her part in this story of episode five any better

or worse? No, I don't think so. No, I just think

that there's clearly some pain there. Not of

course that there's always pain when a parent

dies, especially with feeling that it's before

their time. But it seems as though there's something

private about that, that she's... Coming to terms

with in a way Mm -hmm. That's what I would say.

It feels like it's there's something Yeah, absolutely

All right What was your favorite moment from

the first five episodes any one moment? That

was just absolutely something you could go back

and watch Oh God, that's so tough. Cause I'm

thinking of all the moments from the subsequent

episodes now that I'm not allowed to talk about.

Oh God, that was my favorite moment. I'm trying

to look what was not in there. It's so, cause

they all bleed together for me. So much so that

it's especially with the timelines, right? Like

it becomes this sort of mosaic that I remember

bits and pieces from. What would be the number

one out of the first five? Hmm. Ooh, that's tough.

I'm thinking about it. What was yours? Because

you just watched them and they're all you've

got. Yeah, I know, right? For me, it probably

has to be... Honestly, it has to be William's

part of the story. His entire arc of meeting

the girl, dating, getting the kid, and then obviously

leaving Randall at the fire station. Because

I wasn't sure how much of Randall... Again, I

was... newly watching the show, was not sure

how much of Randall's backstory, I was still

kind of feeling the writing out and things like

that, but just seeing that whole bus story, I

think that would probably have to be mine. My

favorite character out of the show so far...

Honestly, it has to be Toby. Yeah? Yeah, he can

go from... being funny and cool to being serious.

Like, I was not expecting him to not necessarily

break down, but get all serious about his ex

and just that revelation of how horribly she

treated him. I was, because, you know, as I said

in the beginning, he's, you know, this guy that

always cracks jokes. And as we all know, when

most of us crack jokes, it's to hide whatever

scars we don't want to talk about. And I think

he's one of those types of characters that he

will always, you know, make a joke first before

he then reveals to anyone, whether it's Kate

or whomever, you know, the actual issue that

he's facing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he's just

the kind of person that it takes slightly longer

to break through that lighthearted facade because

he chooses to live in a certain way, but there's

clearly Yeah, there's clearly this kind of hidden

side as well or this this this less Less happy

side, you know, I mean that that's a that's a

face that he puts on which is positive and negative

I think it's positive in that he genuinely does

I think try to suck the marrow out of life and

live it to the best of his ability But sometimes

people that are that goofy that happy that kind

of you know quippy have an even bigger darker

side you know because it's like it's a bit of

maybe it's a bit of extreme i think be interesting

yeah the problem with sucking the marrow out

of the life is sometimes you choke on the bone

oh how did i know you were gonna go there hey

dead poet society how do you not know dead poet

society i mean you know you know phone call from

god if it had been collected have been daring

It's one of my favorite movies of all time. It's

brilliant, yeah, for sure. I think my favorite

moments of the first five episodes would be in

flashbacks. I think there's a couple of, you

know, the stuff with the speech actually that

Dr. K gives to Jack in the first episode about

how he and his wife lost a child and they grieved

it for years and telling him to kind of, you

know, It's like that painful way of making the

best out of the bad situation and then that look

on his face, Jack's face, when he's sort of at

the, whatever you call it, the observatory, the

baby observatory. Where they look at the babies

and the, yeah. I think that exists in real hospitals.

I think that's just designed for television,

I don't know. But he's sitting there looking

at Kate and Kevin, and he's standing beside the

firemen, and the firemen just says, oh, I just

dropped this, this one was dropped off at my

station. And that realization that you see him

coming to, I think, is one of my favorite moments,

because it just sort of, he's looking at these

children and seeing them together. those are

the moments that shaped that, like just that,

you know, if he had been in a different mood

that day, if he hadn't had that pep talk, if

anything different had happened, you know, would

he even have gone there and looked at Randall

and thought, you know, maybe this is fate. It's

just, those little moments fascinate me. I think

those, yeah, those just moments that changed

everyone's trajectory. Yeah, absolutely. And

again, that is just so, so fun. uh... and you

know i am going to be sticking with the series

i know and i know it's got picked up through

the third season so yeah i'm wondering how like

the way according to and just basing this off

of memory according to what i read on wikipedia

the show generally takes place in the year nineteen

eighty and then the late eighties and obviously

twenty sixteen twenty seventeen So I'm wondering

how much else is the flashback going to cover?

We see that it's covering their younger years,

their kid years, but what else is that going

to do for the show? So many things. So far and

it's only been 18 episodes because it just it

just so I already know some stuff, but I But

I will say that the flashbacks They do some really

inventive things with it with the stories they

chose to tell I will say that so they don't one

thing I can't but I don't think it's a super

spoiler Just that right now they're seen in terms

of the lives of the kid there seem to be sort

of two years There's the years when they were

probably around eight or nine and then they they

have the years when they were I want to say 16.

So that comes into it. So that would be the 90s,

I guess. But then aside from that, there's some

really clever ways that they draw all of these

characters into it. We already saw in episode

five that they were flashing back to Jack and

Rebecca pre - preconception. The night of Conception,

actually. Yes, but they're American before, and

that's a possibility for mining later. And then

you saw, of course, they flashed back to William's

life to tell his story in that beautiful montage

of the bus and what happened that led to him

giving Randall up at the fire station that day.

They do some things that are similar that I won't

reveal, but I can only imagine how much there

is to mine. First, after the second episode,

when it ended with Mandy Moore and Miguel showing

up as a couple, I was a little bit like, oh,

is every episode going to kind of be like a holy

crap moment? Because that just made me feel like...

It's really difficult to come up with those and

sooner or later. They're gonna be stupid You

know, but they didn't do that. They kind of they

kind of shied away from that a little bit I mean

even yeah, it was a bit of a twist at the end

of episode 5 revealing that Jack was dead But

it wasn't it wasn't so much like a shock because

you kind of knew something's not right here You

know, we don't know where this guy is They're

not making it so gotcha As they were in the very

beginning and and after having seen what they

did in the first season with with timelines and

You know with these flashbacks and all these

different stories I mean they do some really

really cool things that I don't think there's

a limit to how much they can mine out of You

know essentially what there's 36 years and and

earlier than that To really tell all kinds of

stories of any of the people that kind of end

up in this family unit in some way. Yeah, absolutely.

I am looking forward to watching the rest of

season one. I'll probably be doing that when

I'm a little bit more awake, but, you know, it's

one of those things where, you know, so far I

did really enjoy the show. And again, I've...

I've gotten over my whole thing of, oh my god,

everybody's watching this, oh my god, everybody's

talking about this, oh my god, just go away!

Because now that I've actually tried the show,

I enjoy it. Am I going to be ranting and raving

about the show on Twitter and Facebook all the

time? No, probably not. I'll say a few things

here and there. But, you know, I did very, very

much enjoy it, and we will probably do a season

pass, which is... Basically come back and talk

about the whole season, you know all the storylines

at some point or another I don't know when that's

gonna be but Before we get out of here. Why don't

you tell the people where they can find you online?

You can find me on Twitter at kit couch potato

And yeah, that's that's the primary place to

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yeah wouldn't fit. Damn that Twitter. My first

name is Kit. That's not what I intended, but

there you go. Why don't you also tell people

about your married life year one project as well?

This is something that you won't see on Twitter,

but if you do follow me on Instagram, you'll

be able to check it out. It's also at KitKouchPotato

on Instagram. So I got married in December, and

that happened. It's not incredibly exciting.

It's just sort of the cycle of life. But everyone

always asks you, when you get married, sort of,

hey, what's it like to be married? So your world

turns upside down. And to be fair, that probably

happened when you were sold by your dad and a

couple of cows. It was probably a big shock to

the system. But, you know, I was already living

with my husband. Our lives were kind of already

set up. So nothing much changes. But I kind of

got the idea to post one picture a day, either

that I take or that I source that kind of represents

my life in that day for a year. So it's married

life year one. And the idea is to kind of capture.

the little moments and for me to make me remember

the little moments of my first year as a married

woman to kind of give it that special And it

lets me do what I like to call micro writing,

which is just a little bit of these miniature

tales of what I'm up to that day. And it's kind

of a way to flex your creative juices in a small

form every day and feel like you're cognizant

of that. So it's been fun. You'll probably see

a lot of pictures of food, my little mini schnauzer

that I watch, and occasionally my husband. I

think my favorite one to this point is the fact

that he knows nothing about the Archie characters.

Yeah, I tried to turn on Riverdale and I said,

oh it's just like a dark version of Archie and

it turned into huh? What? Who? You know, Archie

comics. No idea. Blank. I nearly, that was...

It's grounds for divorce. We got through it.

He still doesn't really get it. Luckily Riverdale

wasn't that good, so we don't have to talk about

it. Oh, come on! You like it? You like Riverdale?

Yeah, it's for a CW show. It's better than most

of the stuff they've put on there in the past

ten years. Oh, I think we're gonna have to have

a little discussion about the CW because some

of my favorite shows are the CW and they're not

the ones with the superheroes. Jane the Virgin,

Crazy Ex -Girlfriend, two of the top shows on

television these days. Yeah, but I'm talking

about like the older stuff like the stuff that

was up against Buffy and angel and whatever like

yeah before Everwood some classic stuff like

that. I'm trying to think of what else that Gilmore

girls. Those are classic That's WB. You know

that Supernatural Survives it predates the CW

Supernatural debut on the WB in 2005 and the

fall of 2005 and it is still running and so CW

didn't start till the following fall 2006. Only

show to make that jump and so of course it was

only in its first year but still crazy and it's

still going. It shows no signs of slowing down.

That show still gets some of the best ratings

on the CW. Not that that's saying a lot. The

CW doesn't have a lot of highly rated shows but.

Other than the superhero shows at this point

The flash does very very well for them arrows

kind of slipped and super girls, you know, it's

okay, but it's pretty it's pretty impressive

Yeah, it's better than Supergirl being stuck

on, you know, a barren planet known as CBS because

I'm sorry, that was just the way I'm like, why

is this not on the CW? And thankfully it now

is. But it's one of those things with Riverdale.

I like the characters. I think it's fun and interesting

seeing different versions of those classic R2

characters. And honestly, for me, and I know

this is horrible. I know it's horrible. But,

oh my god, Cole Sprouse is actually acting again.

The last time I saw him in anything was the Suite

Life series on Disney Channel. I only watched

the first episode. What is he? Is he in it? What

is he doing? Yeah, he's Jughead. Oh crap, yeah!

Yeah, so Cody, Cody from Zack and Cody is Jughead.

Wasn't he also Ross' kid and friends? He might

have been, but they were the kid in, they were

Sandler's kid in Big Daddy, they were the twins

that went back and forth. Yeah, I think they

were also, the twins played Ross' kid Ben on

Friends, I think, like Freeze. That could be,

I was more of a Seinfeld watcher. You know, Riverdale,

I guess the thing for me is... I was interested

by like, oh, look what they did with this character,

look what they did with this character. When

I step back and I think, if this show weren't

about Archie, if this was just a bunch of people,

it would be so terrible that, I don't know, like

the only interesting thing they've got going

for it is that it's a new twist on Archie. But

other than that, like the writing is pretty bad,

you know, and the whole Miss Grundy thing, like

that was that. Yeah, that was a little bad. Yeah.

Well, I mean, come on. Dawson's Creek already

went there with Pacey in the 90s. I mean, Hot

for Teacher is not exactly a new plot line. It's

only funny because you're like, oh, she's supposed

to be so old with the bun. It really works on

the level that they're just flipping the characters

and you're getting so much enjoyment out of seeing

something different than in the comics. And that's

what makes it entertaining. I'm going to keep

watching it a little bit because I only watched

the first episode. I'll binge some of it. It's

on Netflix here in Canada. Most of the CW shows

are actually, except for the superhero ones.

They're bought by a major channel here, so we

don't get those. We get them on regular TV, but

we don't get them on Netflix. Alright folks join

us next time when My buddy Art Danner will be

here and surprise surprise. We're going to be

talking about the first five episodes of Riverdale

So cuz honestly seriously, I'm not exactly like

Jordan your husband But I have I know of the

Archie characters. I know of the basic Archie

archetype But where most of my Archie knowledge

comes in from is Hooper X from Chasing Amy arguing

with Banky about the Archie comics. Well, that's

the thing. You don't have to know the whole plot,

but it's like if I just didn't know who G .I.

Joe was. I don't know anything about the world,

but you can't escape the reference, right? Come

on. exactly all right folks we're gonna get out

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