Season Pass: Marvel’s Daredevil Season 1 Review

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Reed. Hello, sir. And this, folks, is going to

be a season pass episode. What we do, for those

that don't know, or for Joe that might not know,

we talk about an entire television show one season

at a time. So we talk about everything. We spoil

everything. So there's your spoiler warning,

folks. And this time around for the season pass

episode, we are going to be talking about Netflix's

Marvel's Daredevil. Or if you really want to

put a real long name on it, Walt Disney's Marvel's

Netflix's Daredevil. Produced by ABC. Yeah. Produced

by ABC, distributed by Buena Vista. In association

with Touchstone Pictures. Oh my god. But yeah,

Marvel's Daredevil. Wanted to bring Joe in on

this one because you had expressed interest in

the series and intrigue in it. Before we get

started... Just briefly, since this is a TV podcast,

not a movie podcast, but we have to kind of talk

about the movie and the comics just a little

bit here in the beginning. Yep. 12 years ago.

Has it been that long? Yeah. 12 years ago. And

the only reason why I know this, and I think

I told this story on another podcast. February

14th, 2003, they released Ben Affleck's Daredevil

to theaters. They released Daredevil on Valentine's

Day. I just don't... I remember even back then,

I was like, what the hell are they thinking?

The crazy thing was, I had flown up to Massachusetts,

back home to Massachusetts, because for most

people that may not know this, I'm in Louisville,

Kentucky. I've been here for the past 20 some

odd years. Anyway, I flew home to Massachusetts

because my oldest cousin, Rachel, my Uncle Robert's

daughter, was getting married. on that Saturday,

the 15th. So I wanted to go see this movie, but

my mom didn't want to have, well, my mom wasn't

there, I don't think. Yeah, she wasn't there.

She was still here in Kentucky, I think, at the

time. I don't remember, honestly, where mom was

at the time. But somehow it ended up where on

Valentine's Day, I went with Rachel, my cousin

Rachel, her husband Joe, and I went to go see

Daredevil. And in... Kingston, Massachusetts,

we have this mall, Kingston Independence Mall,

or I don't even know what it's called now. That's

what it used to be called when I was a kid. And

it's got the movie theater in there, but it's

a mall, so they've got, you know, mall stores.

As soon as I saw the bar scene, and I heard...

What I thought I heard, which was Nickelback's

Learn the Hard Way, played in a really, really

slow reverb for the bar fight scene. As soon

as the movie was over, before the mall closed,

I ran into Record Town and bought the soundtrack

album for this film. You should be ashamed. Nuh

-uh. No. Uh -uh. You saw Shame on You. See, I

like the movie. Both the theatrical cut and the

director's cut. The director's cut makes it a

better story. fills in a lot of the gaps that

theatrical cut has but i still enjoy both versions

of the film i don't hate that movie um my my

kind of intro to this is like oh hey it's a superhero

movie all right and i wandered into the comic

store to kind of get the primer and i found I

think it had like three issues in it, 41, 42,

and 43 of Bendis and Malieve's Daredevil. And

that was my first Daredevil comic. And from that

moment on, I've been a reader of Daredevil, just

buying that to prepare for the movie. And, you

know, having read that and getting some Frank

Miller experience in Daredevil and knowing that

stuff, recognizing the cameo that he had in the

movie. kind of enjoyed it. I think the only thing

that I hate about the movie is that ridiculous

scene in the park where Elektra's fighting him,

fighting Matt Murdock with his blind stick on

the seesaw. Aren't you drawing a lot of attention

to yourself and maybe giving away the fact that

you have slightly more... You're not blind, Matt.

There's something special about you if you can

do this. That scene... When I knew the director's

cut was coming out, I was like, all right, sweet,

it's going to be even better. When they didn't

cut that scene, I was like, come on. If you got

rid of that scene, I think it would be a pretty

decent movie. They didn't cut that scene, but

they cut everything. The love story is not in

the director's cut at all, which I know a lot

of people didn't really care for the love story.

You know, we haven't had a lot of Daredevil stuff

in other media other than comics since then.

And, you know, 2015, it was sometime last year

in 2014, it was kind of announced that, hey,

Netflix and Marvel, well, Marvel wanted to, Marvel

was shopping around five shows. that they wanted

you know if you wanted one they wanted you to

pick up all five i believe i believe that's what

how it was i'm not looking at any info folks

so if i'm wrong in saying that they wanted a

network to pick up all five in order to call

mike out in the comments tell him he's wrong

yeah please yes exactly um and netflix you know

was the only one no one No one wanted to, which

surprises me that no one wanted to deal with

Marvel and Disney and all this and all that.

And, you know, you said that, oh, hey, you know,

produced by ABC, you'd think that ABC would,

you know, jump on that train since they have

Agents of Shit. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, well, coming

off of Agents of Shield, I think if Marvel said

to anybody we want to make a television show,

they're going to think of that. Can't be soap

opera wannabe. And I love Agent Coulson. I love

the character, and I love the actor, but that

show is just, at best, it's weak. So Netflix

was the one to pony up everything, and they've

picked up these five shows, and one of the shows

was Daredevil. And it was kind of a reimagining

for the character a little bit, kind of, you

know, to reintroduce him to everybody. I didn't

even know who was going to play Daredevil when

I first started hearing rumors about this. Charlie

Cox Who is what I heard. Yeah. I mean, that's

the same thing with, like, you know, Brandon

Ralph Who? Yeah. Who the hell? You know, I mean,

it's like, you know, Superman? No. He's better

as Ray Palmer. Anyway. I'm not there yet. I've

got to get there. Oh, boy. It's one of those

things where the only thing that I was concerned

about with this show was who they were going

to cast as Kingpin. Or Wilson Fisk, because he's

not called Kingpin just yet, but everybody calls

him Kingpin because we know. It's just a knowing

thing. And I grew up with the whole thing of

Spider -Man the Animated Series in 94, Kingpin

was this... giant behemoth of of a white guy

and you know he had a little bit of an origin

story in that cartoon series and that's really

all i knew of him until the ben affleck film

and you had michael clark duncan as as wilson

fisk aka the kingpin and right then i said okay

i can't see king like sure i i I have my enjoyment

of the Kingpin in the Spider -Man cartoon, but

in the live action, I can't see anybody else

other than Michael Clarke Duncan playing the

Kingpin. And sadly, he passed away. And now that

they announced and all this and all that, and

now that Vincent D 'Onofrio is the Kingpin, I'm

like... Oh my God, Detective Gorin from Criminal

Intent? That's amazing. And if you really want

to get even geekier, he was Thor in Adventures

in Babysitting. And it's like, oh my, I can't,

like after watching 10 seasons of Law & Order

Criminal Intent and watching the characterization

of Robert Gorin and D 'Onofrio playing him, I

can't think of anybody else that is more suited

to play. The kingpin. I've never seen an episode

of that. The only association that I have for

it, well, two associations is, of course, Full

Metal Jacket and then I Need Sugar and Water.

Yeah. It's the only association I have is Men

in Black and that from him. But, oh my god, I

don't know. Well, I guess now is as good a time

to go into it as any. His portrayal of Wilson

Fisk is amazing. Multi -layered, complex. Even

the way that he speaks holds his face, the way

that he talks to people, the way that he moves,

the way that he fights. And here we go, massive

spoilers, and that's the last time you'll get

warned now. Well, really quick before we get

into that, just to let everybody know, if you

don't already know. Obviously, to set the stage

here, the show debuted in 2015. It's on Netflix.

It's roughly a one -hour show. I've seen most

of the episode times at like 52, 56 minutes,

something like that. Seasons one to God knows

how many. I know that there's going to be a season

two and there's 13 overall episodes. With the

casting, we talked a little bit about Charlie

Cox. It always surprises me when British actors...

come on the scene and their characters obviously

sound American, but when you watch interviews

with them, they're obviously going to be using,

you know, like, yeah, don't even get me started

at a doctor house. But it's like, I just, I don't

know. I mean, I like Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock

and as daredevil. I like his, he's kind of cocky

a lot of the time in, in, in the first season.

I like him in the character. I think he fits

the role well. What were your first impressions

of him when you first saw the show? Well, because

I didn't know who he was, I was completely lost

in the fact that he's Matt Murdock. And reading

the comic as long as I have, I guess 12 years,

you said? The character has changed quite a bit.

He's gone through a real dark period, and now

with the Mark Waid run, he's really kind of...

brightening up he's come out of his hard times

and even through that you can kind of read the

depression still happening he's wearing the mask

on the surface but you know we're coming into

this daredevil story when he's just his life

is going to get a whole lot worse we're seeing

him motivated we're seeing him ready to go but

still kind of carrying a lot of dark weight And

so, yeah, he embodies that really well, and it

came right into it. So I didn't have any preconceptions

about who he was as an actor or what other roles

he's done. I was like, no, this guy is Matt Murdock

coming into his prime here, or heading toward

his prime. At least by the end of the series.

And we'll talk about that here in a bit. Debra

Ann Wall is Karen Page. I like her. I don't remember

seeing Karen Page ever on screen in anything.

I know obviously she wasn't in the Ben Affleck

movie, but I've read several Daredevil stories

with her in it, and I think Debra Ann Wall does

a really good job of portraying Karen. Her and

Foggy, when the show... happened and they had

casting and i saw pictures of them walking around

the street or whatever i was fully prepared to

dislike these two characters because you know

as i'm watching this i'm thinking okay every

minute that they're on screen is a minute i'm

not getting daredevil in his suit kicking the

snot out of criminals but what both her and karen

and foggy did they and the actors what's what's

foggy's actor name thanks eldon henson he was

uh one of the mighty ducks villains No, he wasn't

a villain. He was the original Bash brother,

Fulton Reed. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

It took me so long, and somebody asked to post

about it. Yeah, I was like that the whole time

I was watching the first six out of the 13 episodes.

I'm like... Where have I seen this guy before?

And then somebody posted on Facebook that moment

when you realize that Foggy Nelson is Fulton

Reed from the Mighty Ducks. And I'm just waiting

for Foggy to pick up a hockey stick now. I hope

he does at some point, just to kind of nod. But

those two actors made me fall in love with those

characters. And there are moments where I'm looking

at this and going, man, I just want the Karen

and Foggy show. I want to see them go and take

Slumlords to court and watch them. Like Law and

Order, Foggy and Karen. I want to see that show

now. That would be awesome. Yeah, I think one

of the reasons why I didn't recognize him...

is because, number one, his hair is a hell of

a lot lighter in this show. Second of all, he

looks like he's lost since Mighty Ducks, and

Mighty Ducks was God knows how many years, what,

25 years ago or something like that? Since Mighty

Ducks, I haven't seen him in anything else, and

he looks like he's lost a lot of weight compared

to what he looks like in Mighty Ducks. That's

impressive. The dude doesn't look older than

25 on this show. I know. That's what I'm saying.

It's one of the reasons why I never recognized

him. Eldon Henson's Foggy, I'm sorry to say,

and people might agree with this, you might agree

with this, is so much better than Favreau. Yeah,

I like Jon Favreau, but... I like him, but I

remember when Iron Man was announced, I'm like,

wait, Foggy Nelson is directing Iron Man? What

the hell? Yeah, that was my only introduction

of Jon Favreau, was knowing him through Foggy.

But, you know, in the comics, Foggy's not the

character that I'm there to read about. He happens.

Things happen to him. But, no, the TV show made

me really love a lot of these background characters

through the writing and definitely through the

acting and the characterization. I really love

these guys. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You

know, you've got Toby Leonard Moore as James

Wesley. You've got... Creep mofo. I wasn't sure

who he was supposed to be. I don't recognize

him from the comics yet, but I'm going to go

back through and read it. I mean, Wesley, it's

supposedly supposed to be a take on Wesley Owen

Welsh, as far as I can tell. Kingpin's right

-hand man. And that's fine if they want, but,

like, the whole time, the first, I think, three

or four episodes, until Kingpin eventually says

his name, I didn't know who the character was

supposed to be. I didn't realize, I mean, I knew

he was the Kingpin's right -hand man in the show,

but I didn't realize it was that right -hand,

like, it didn't connect with me. You got Von

D. Curtis Hall as Ben Urich. That was a surprise.

And I don't know, it's whatever. They changed

the race of a character again? Why did they do

that? But only three seconds on screen, you're

like, nope, that's Ben Urich, and he's awesome,

and I love him, and I want to watch the Ben Urich

show. Too bad. I guess you can watch the zombie

Ben Urich show. I guess he ain't showing up in

Spider -Man. I gotta say, though, that was another

really cool thing about the 2003 film. I love

Joey Pants as Ben Urich. Yeah, me too. That was

perfect casting. That was better casting than

Ben Affleck. True. One of the other big ones

here, kind of the last one we'll talk about.

We already kind of talked about Vincent D 'Onofrio,

but you got Rosario Dawson as Claire Temple.

I thought that was an interesting casting choice.

Again, I don't know her from the comic yet. I

need to go back and reread it. I'm setting up

to do that. And the only thing I know Rosario

Dawson from is from Clerks 2. So that's all the

baggage that I come. But she did a good job.

I did not. dislike her at all. According to Wikipedia,

and again, take it with a grain of salt, Claire

Temple is the ex -wife of Bill Foster and a romantic

interest of Luke Cage. In her earliest portrayals,

she was a nurse for Dr. Noah Burstein in his

42nd Street storefront clinic. Claire encountered

an injured Luke Cage, and the two soon became

romantically involved. Oh, she'll be back in

the next series. I bet she will. That's what

you need to tie everything together. Yep. You

know, Vincent D 'Onofrio, what more can we say

about him? We've kind of already talked about

him. Some of the recurring roles, some of the

guest stars were really, really interesting.

Let's see here. My favorite surprise that I didn't

know until I watched it was, and I don't know

the actor's name, but the warden from Shawshank

Redemption as Leland Owlesley. That was real

cool. I'm hoping that the son that he kept talking

about is a junior and that we'll get to see Leland

Owlsley come back in the green suit that maybe

he can fly. I want to see a little more comic

book -y portrayal of Owlsley. I wish Stan's appearance

was not just through an on -set photo. I wish

it was actually... Oh, I didn't catch that. Yeah,

because that was another cool thing about the

movie, the 2003 film. They work the story in

a way where Stan Lee is the old man that that

Matt saves from. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like

it's just like if anyone could take every single

appearance of Stan Lee in the Marvel Cinematic

Universe, even going back to X -Men. I would

love to watch the Stanley appearance movie just

to see how people put those in order. Oh, it's

so funny. All right. To jump or not to jump the

shark. What did you think of the opening credit?

I mean, they're opening credits, but what did

you think of the opening titles and all that

stuff? That was beautiful. Usually I would fast

forward through that, you know, the second time

that I see it, but no, I love that. It's just

the syrup pouring down on the entire city of

New York. Goopy gloppy, but the city's invisible

until the goop hits it. I cannot say amazing

enough things for that because it's just stellar.

The music's good. I like the music sounds like

you're listening to it underwater. So you're

aware of your hearing during the opening titles

too, which I think is a very clever decision.

Absolutely. I like the opening title sequence.

After about the sixth episode, I kind of get

tired of it, though. I just get tired of hearing

the music. And I'm happy that because this is

a Netflix show and this isn't a show that's on

television, on actual television. That they didn't

just do an intro. And don't get me wrong, I love

the intro to The Flash and sometimes the intro

to Arrow, but I'm glad they didn't do My Name

Is. Yeah. I'm glad they didn't do that. I think

what's really the coolest thing for me on the

title sequence is when Daredevil and the name,

when the character and the name show up in the

goop, I thought... That was really clever. It's

showing that the show is molding the character.

We see him as quote -unquote Daredevil, the guy

in the black mask, but we don't actually see

the true... face of the devil until the very

last episode which i absolutely loved that was

something that i thought i was going to hate

as well like i thought okay we'll see him in

the black suit for the first episode two or three

and then he'll get the costume then he'll get

the outfit but after watching it a couple...

No, I really don't mind that he's not in the

suit. And he could be not in the suit for two

more seasons and this show would still be amazing

and he'd still be Daredevil. But I'm glad that

that's there and that it'll be coming for next

season. The funny thing is, now that I think

about it, back on the title sequence really quick,

then we'll move on, is... Now that I'm thinking

about it, it kind of reminds me of, what if they

tinted the T -1000's metal red? It kind of reminds

me of liquid metal from Terminator 2. But the

show itself, I thought I was going to have a

hard time watching it. I really did. As it progressed,

I think my only real complaint is that to us,

the audience, and I know they wanted to show.

Wilson Fisk's story, I think having, like, I

think only his voice was in the first episode.

I think they kind of showed him in shadow in

the second episode. By the third episode, boom,

there he is in the art gallery. And I'm like,

wait, no, this is too early to show the audience.

Keep the mystery a little bit more. But after

watching the whole thing, I understand why they

did that when it was done. And I still love it.

It was part of his story. And with the Wilson

Fisk character, what I was going into earlier

and what D 'Onofrio did so well is, okay, this

is a guy, this is a kid who had this incredibly

traumatic thing happen to him when he was a child.

And we snap to Wilson Fisk as an adult, but he's

still a child. And you can hear in how he...

demands things, how short his temper is, and

even his body physics when he's fighting, that

he's still a child. And you can see it in his

face when he's angry that he doesn't have that

emotional control that an adult would. I would

love to hear D 'Onofrio talk about playing the

character because, man, you know there was some

psychology stuff going on to help him inhabit

that role. Blown away and impressed. Yeah, I

was too. I just think that he just fits the role

like a glove. There's no one else that they could

have gotten to do this. And I believe he even...

I believe he gained weight for this one. He's

pretty hefty, yeah. Yeah, he's one of the very

few actors in Hollywood that I know of that you

often hear stories of them gaining or losing

weight for roles. I'm sure it happens more often

than I'm alluding to here, but it's not very

often that a story is, you know, that a news

story is, hey, this person gained 70 pounds or

this person lost 100 pounds to play this role,

to get into this role. But, yeah, I would love

to hear some more in -depth interview stuff with

D 'Onofrio. I've seen clips of him talking about

the show, like kind of a press junket kind of

thing. Yeah, and I read the Reddit AMA, but it

was before the show had launched, so nobody could

ask him, what was that? That was crazy, man.

Yeah, yeah. What do you think of all the fight

choreography in this one? Okay, the fight scene

at the end of episode two is the most brilliant

piece of film that I have seen in a very long

time. That single cut, if you at home haven't

seen this yet, or if you didn't notice it, go

watch that right now. Pause the podcast, go watch

at the end of episode two. From the moment that

Matt Murdock walks around the corner in that

hallway, it is a single cut. until he walks out

of the opposite door with the kid. That entire

fight was one cut. And it's incredible. I'm trying

to think of the movie that they said that they

kind of were inspired by to do that, and it's

not coming to me, but there's another very long

fight scene that was a single cut. But there

are moments in that where the fight goes into

a door and then the camera kind of pans around,

and it's a moment where they could have cut.

They put... two of those moments in there where

they could have cut but they have since come

out and said that they they were there in case

they had to but they didn't have to it was all

one piece of film um and uh at one point charlie

cox would fight fight fight fight and then go

into the door and he'd be off camera and when

daredevil reappears it's the stunt double fight

fight fight fight fight falls back in the other

room but all in all it's one cut and by the time

He's done and he's boxed the guy. The stunt guys

are tired. Charlie Cox is tired. He's like just

using the wall to help himself stand up to get

these last moves in. He looks exhausted and you

buy it because it's real. That was kind of neat.

Absolutely. I love everything that they've done

with this. The fights look amazing. That hallway

fight. Oh, I gotta go watch it again. I love

how he uses but also doesn't use the door. When

the door falls over, it's kind of like a seesaw.

You're standing on the lower end of a seesaw.

It looks so cool, and he doesn't even, like,

I figured he would use the door in some other

way, like pick it up or do something with it,

but he doesn't. He just, you know, uses it as

kind of like a springboard. I absolutely love

that. As the series goes on, what I love about

it is how basically he, Foggy, and Karen, for

lack of a better term of the three amigos at

this point, as the series continues, they each

have their own character arcs. Yeah. Which is

rare in television because, I mean, okay, yes,

I know characters have character arcs, but in

a series like this, if this was on TV, Karen's

arc wouldn't be as deep as it is. Foggy's arc,

even though Foggy's arc ties into Matt's arc,

wouldn't be as deep as it is. I love episode...

episode 10 nelson v murdoch that was yep my wife

and i just finished that uh last night i think

you mean re -watched it right well i i've watched

it jenny okay i'm watching it again with her

and man watching it again i'm seeing all these

little breadcrumbs that they drop like oh that's

important like how many times did they show wilson

fisk's cufflinks before you know what the cufflinks

mean I love all the character development. 13

episodes is a lot of time, but it is also a short

amount of time to get, let's say, technically

four main characters, because you've got Foggy,

Karen, Matt, and Fisk. That's a lot of time,

but also not a lot of time to get their character

arcs flushed out, and it really does well. I

love seeing just the edges of Karen's past. They

don't just come right out and say it. But for

anyone who has read a Daredevil comic in the

past, we know that she used to be in a pretty

bad place for a lot of her life. And I can't

wait to see if Season 2 delves more into that

in flashbacks or whatever. Seeing Matt and Foggy

at college, that was hilarious. This is hilarious.

It really was. Absolutely love that. I think...

I wish I could use this title somewhere for something.

Episode 8, Shadows in the Glass. Oh my god, that

is such a perfect title for Wilson Fisk in this

show. That whole episode is basically showing

you... his origin and i remember a lot of people

i remember my buddy doug uh doug abel over at

talking about my generation he said oh my god

the mother was the dark one i was like yeah she

kind of like i didn't expect that well i i don't

know if i'd say that she was the dark one as

much as she needed to do what she needed to do

to protect wilson i think that was more maternal

than psychotic No, well, I don't mean dark. I

don't really mean psychotic. I mean, like, you

know, in this whole episode, we see the flashback

of the father being the violent one, the verbally

abusive one. You see the mother trying to...

You just assume that she is the protective mother

that's going to try to shield her son from his

father. And then after he kills him, she's like...

get the saw. And I'm like, cause it was so shocking

because it's one of those things where her whole

demeanor changed in a split second, in an eighth

of a second, her whole face changed from sunny,

you know, sunny, you know, wisteria lane wife

to, you know, Stepford wife. And it's like, Oh

my God. Um, but. Wilson Fisk, in Episode 8, he

is shown to be, and I guess he prefers it this

way, but he is shown to be a very lonely guy.

He basically gets up, gets dressed, looks in

the mirror, gets the cufflinks, makes the same

breakfast every morning. And I was wondering

how that was going to change as it goes along.

And I think after he meets Vanessa, which I absolutely

love that they're setting this up, that we're

seeing... Because normally when I see Wilson

Fisk and Vanessa, they're already married. They've

got children. There's not a lot of character

depth to her in general. And this is me not knowing

a lot about her in the comics. I just know what

I've seen in cartoons and stuff when she has

appeared. It's one of those things where seeing

it here is so refreshing. And seeing her character

portrayed in a way where all the stuff that he's

done doesn't matter to her. Any other woman would

have walked away. It surprises me that I can

read the comic for as long as I have and not

know that Vanessa was a character until... Gosh,

what am I... I reread one issue. uh just because

i needed to know which trade paperback i needed

to buy to complete the set and like oh my gosh

they're mentioning vanessa she's from the comic

i had no idea so i was kind of happy and and

glad to now go back and reread everything and

see what else i more than likely missed yeah

and you know i i really got this whole and this

is gonna sound bad but Have you seen the 1999

Pierce Brosnan, Rene Russo remake of The Thomas

Crown Affair? I did so long ago that it doesn't

matter, and I haven't. Okay, well, the only thing

I'm going to mention is that this whole thing

with Wilson and Vanessa kind of reminds me of

that movie and the fact that, you know, Russo's

character at the end of it didn't really care

what Crown's character had or hadn't done. And

I'm like, oh, wow, that's interesting that they're...

They're going in that direction as far as she,

you know, as long as he's honest with her, she

isn't going to make any fuss about anything that

he's done. And this, after, I forget which episode

it is, but after the one episode where he basically

decapitates the Russian with the car door. That

scene right there is proof positive. This show

would have never been on network television.

I look at a show like shield and imagine whatever

number its budget is. And then I look at daredevil

and see how much lower its budget is. And like,

why, why can't shield be more like daredevil

and, and you know, how daredevil could have been

like shield. It could have been, and now I like

arrow. I, you know, it has its, It's soap opera

moments that I don't like, but I like, you know,

and I like Flash, but man, boy, is Daredevil

just a different caliber of show? It is, very

much so. And is it lighting? Well, yeah, I mean,

Daredevil's much darker, more sophisticated.

It's not like, you know, a flat spotlight from

the front. Is it more serious? Well, yeah, but

I mean, that... doesn't make it good. It just

happened to be good and be serious. There's,

there's something magical going on about the

chemistry that went into the making of daredevil.

That is special, unique and exquisite. Yeah,

absolutely. I mean, you know, I'm, we're not

going to sit here and compare this to flash and

arrow and all that stuff. I, cause I personally,

I love flash. Arrow, I'm kind of... This is discussions

for another day, but I'm kind of losing it on

Arrow. Because it's more... It's kind of like

he's Bataro than anything else at this point.

I hate to say it like that, listeners, but it's

true. If you watch... Well, yeah, that's another

show. Yeah. But with Daredevil... Everything

they've done to this point, I don't even know

where they're going to go for Season 2, folks.

Oh, they could go anywhere. They could go the

Brubaker way and Daredevil locks himself or gets

into jail so that he can track down Wilson Fisk

inside. I think we're going to get Elektra. I

think we're going to get Bullseye. Man. I have

a feeling, well, the long -term plan, if we didn't

mention it earlier, there are the four shows.

Well, five, right? Daredevil, we're going to

have, a .k .a. Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and

Iron Fist. And after the four shows debut, they're

going to put them together and form the Defenders,

which is the four of them. I have a theory. Not

knowing anything about the Defenders when this

was announced, I went and dug up some information.

Apparently, one of the key members of the Defenders

since the beginning has been Stephen Strange.

And I wonder if we're going to see Benedict Cumberbatch's

Stephen Strange introduced in this series. In

this... I don't know, not series, set, I guess

you'd say. Yeah, the Marvel TV universe, yeah.

I don't know. I know he's getting his own movie,

but man, would it be neat as an after credits

cameo. I'm not saying he'll be a member of the

Defenders on the TV show, but it would be nice

if they threw that homage there, because I couldn't

find an image of the Defenders comic without

Stephen Strange on the cover. Yeah. As the show

came to its conclusion and we got the fight and

everything else, episodes 11 to 13 are so well

done. Like, I didn't realize, like, episode 13,

it is just under an hour. But it feels like you're

watching it for two hours. There's so much in...

They put so much into that one hour of television.

I don't think they could have put anything else

in there. That's something that I noticed about

the entire run of Daredevil is how long... they're

willing to spend on scenes. There is so much

dialogue. They let things linger. You're there

for a five, ten minute scene. Not just the fight

scenes, but even the dialogue things where they're

just in the law office. And I think that's refreshing.

I think you watch it and it's obvious that the

showrunners are not treating you like a short

attention span idiot. They're letting you learn

about these characters. I would love to count

the number of cuts, the number of scene changes

in an episode of Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D.

and compare it to the number of cuts in an episode

of Daredevil, and I bet it's maybe 200 cuts in

Daredevil, but Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D. would

be something like an MTV music video, just thousands

of cuts. Wow, that's funny. Yeah, I don't know.

The show does not treat you like an idiot. No,

not at all. And I'm so tired of it. And I didn't

realize how tired of it I was. I want to be treated

like I'm an adult. Absolutely. And this show

really does that. This show really takes almost...

They fit about as much as they could into the

mythology. I like the origin story for Daredevil,

for Matt Murdock. Stick episode. I like the stick

episode. It didn't hit me as much as it hit a

bunch of other people because I have not read

Daredevil comics at all in a long, like, I don't

even remember the last, I think the last Daredevil

comic I might have read was, well, yeah, the

last one I read was, I hate to say this, but

it's true because I'm tired of that damn villain,

that crappy Kevin Smith book. I'm sorry. The

only reason why I say it's a crappy Kevin Smith

book is because it's fucking Mysterio is the

goddamn... I hate Mysterio when they throw him

into just being the villain of the book. But

it was Kevin Smith's Guardian Devil. That's what

it was. Where was I going with that? I don't

remember. Oh, crap. Well, he's a Spider -Man

villain. It's unlikely he'll ever show up in

a TV show. Thank God for that. That's where I

was going. The whole thing with Stick. Stick

didn't affect me either way. I think it's a cool

character, but I didn't have any emotional attachment

to it. It would have been different if... I hate

to say it, if Jon Favreau showed up, he wouldn't

have shown up, thank God. But it's one of those

things where I like seeing that part of Matt's

story, just as I like seeing the part about right

after his accident and his dad and whatever else.

I will say that I think the movie pulled off

Matt's reaction to his blindness a little bit

better. Like, when he's a kid, right after it

happens. The whole thing with... I think the

movie pulled that off a little bit better. But

I do really love the interaction between Matt

and his dad in the show just a little bit more

than the movie because the movie, let's face

it, Jack doesn't last too, too long. But within

flashbacks and telling a story the way they're

telling it in this series, I'm kind of liking,

you know, Jack the Devil Murdoch after a while.

Well, he was the devil Murdoch in the movie,

but he was battling Jack Murdoch in the TV show

like he was in the comic. Are you aware of the

connection between the Ninja Turtles and Daredevil?

Oh, no. There's a very direct connection. Eastman

and Laird being fans of the comics that they

were reading in 84 and earlier, 83, 82, 81. The

Ninja Turtles are pulled from Frank Miller's

Ronin. In fact, there's a cover of one of the

issues that... Issue 1 of the Ninja Turtles is

a send -up of, but in the Ninja Turtles' origin,

it's the same as the Daredevil origin. The chemical

truck goes by, a little kid pushes an old man

out of the way, the canister falls and it hits

Matt's eyes, but that canister also falls down

into the sewer and mutates four little turtles.

And beyond that, the... Daredevil's mentor's

name is Stick. The Ninja Turtle's mentor's name

is Splinter. The Daredevil fights the Hand Ninjas.

The Ninja Turtles fight the Foot Clan. There's

that whole ninja thing. It was a trend in the

80s that ninjas were big in comics, and so that's

what Eastman and Laird were doing. It was a parody.

It was a send -up of what was popular in comics

that moment in 1983 and 84 when they wrote and

drew that. And so there's a lot of Daredevil

connections in, Frank Miller Daredevil connections

in that book. And even issue one, when the canister

comes out of the truck, there's this little kid.

pushing a blind man out of the way of the truck,

and it's, like, it's a nod there. Now you know.

Annoying as half the battle. G .I. Joe. That's

a different podcast. Entirely, entirely. Overall,

coming away from Daredevil after watching all

13 episodes, 2016 can't get here fast enough.

It cannot. Why is it, like, I know they need

time to work on the show, work on the second

season. Now, some people have said that because

Drew Goddard had left the show, the showrunner

had changed, that the tone changed in the show.

Did you notice a tonal shift after... Episode

two. That was the last one. And no, I didn't.

And if the two guys who took over for him are

in charge of season two, which they are, I'm

not worried at all because they did a spectacular

job. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely, yeah. Like, I

didn't even notice a tonal shift. I just, like,

if they had softened it up a little bit more

than what it was in the first two episodes, yeah,

sure, I would have noticed it. But it almost

seems like they went 100 % the other way. They

went to, you know, harden it more than what it

was. And I just, I absolutely can't get enough

of this. The other thing I want to bring up before

we kind of rate the show and give final thoughts

on all that good stuff is... Because this is

a show about a blind person, Netflix added an

option called Audio Descriptive Service. Now

this is basically, I actually tried this on episode

two with the fight, with the hallway fight. You

still hear what they're saying. It isn't like...

total silence and a narrator you still hear all

the backgrounds you still hear the fight noises

you still it just for you know blind people you

know you can sit there and listen to this narrator

telling you the action that's going on. But for

us that are cited as one, don't get me wrong,

folks. I was born, I was classified legally blind

as a kid. I have, without correction, I have

2 ,200 vision in both eyes. With correction,

I have 2 ,060 in my right and 2 ,100 in my left.

Anyway, anyway, I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm pretty, it's

more far, it's more far away stuff than it is

up, like it is up close. But usually when I'm

sitting at the computer, my face is like, five

inches or less away from the screen because i

just can't see like the way i describe it to

people is at the end of my street here there's

a stop sign i know i know the shape of a stop

sign i know the color of a stop sign i know it

says the word stop but from my apartment window

i can't read stop I can't read it until I'm right

up on top of it. So they add this service, and

I think it's so great because so many people

who are fully blind people have a way to watch

television, or at least to watch this show. Yeah,

Daredevil's always had a big blind following.

I think, I remember hearing a while ago that

the comic is produced in a way for blind people,

Braille with, I don't know, descriptions of what

each panel looks like. But I think you had pointed

out that audio descriptive service, and I went

and watched episode one that way. And I think

it's spectacular, and I really want to watch

it. not look at the tv at all like maybe be doing

chores or something while that's playing and

and see how or hear feel how immersive that is

but i was impressed with the service and i recommend

just kind of as a sign of respect to that everybody

out there try at least one episode of it that

way i intend my third viewing to be audio descriptive

service for the for the fun of it I'd probably

just sit here and close my eyes and just listen.

I wouldn't even do anything else because this

is not a, like, I know a lot of people will put.

tv on or radio on or whatever for background

noise this show is so not a background noise

you can't do that no you just can't i it's my

second time through and i'll pick up the laptop

and i'll start browsing facebook and then like

no no no i gotta put that down i'm missing stuff

i can't do it all right folks we're gonna take

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for the GCR Universal Rating System. five stars

all the way i mean pretty much there there may

be a couple of things that i i didn't come away

with this series thinking oh my god i can never

watch this again because of that one moment that

that one thing happened even though i can't tell

you what that one thing is overall any little

nitpick is forgiven honestly because this series

is so damn good this is i i I would almost say

this is Marvel's most perfect thing that they've

done. I can't wait for season two as a fan of

the character. I can't even articulate why Daredevil

is my favorite superhero. This show does him

complete justice. Can't wait for more. Can't

wait to see some of the stories reimagined for

television with Charlie Cox playing Daredevil.

But yeah, an absolute five star. um perfection

i maybe want to give it a four and a half so

that i can allow season two to surpass it but

but no we'll go with a five star as as a fan

of the book this is everything you could want

for in a switch and a change of media from comic

to video this is what it should be like this

is as good as it should be So, Marvel .com did

announce that Netflix ordered a second season

for Daredevil. But they are going through yet

another showrunning change. A second one? Yep.

It says, on April 21st, 2015, Marvel and Netflix

announced that the series had been renewed for

a second season. Set for a release in 2016 with

Doug Petrie and Marco Ramirez replacing DeKnight

as showrunners as well as acting as executive

producers. Both served as writers in the first

season and worked closely with DeKnight and Goddard.

So, it's going under another showrunning change.

As long as the show itself, as long as the tone

of the show doesn't change... Between what happened

in Episode 13 and what happens in Episode 14

or Season 2, Episode 1, I don't care. As long

as they're going to put the same consistency

and effort into what's already happened, I'm

fine. The stumbling block that they're going

to have to overcome is that from here on out,

Daredevil starts to get serious. Not serious.

Starts to get silly. We've got some villains

that are more flamboyant. We've got some situations

that are more spectacular and out of the ordinary.

And I don't know how I want them to handle that.

Do I want them to handle it by changing them

to make them more real, like they did with Leland

Owlesley? Or are we going to take a deep breath,

relax, and let them do something like their new

interpretation of Stiltman? Or what is Bullseye

going to look like? Is he going to wear his outfit?

Or is he going to have a tattoo of Bullseye on

his forehead? Or a brand like Colin Farrell did?

We'll see. You know, there's some challenges

now. Did you notice in the back of the shop where

Wilson Fisk has his suits made, you could see

the gladiator, the buzzsaw guy with the whirlwind

with the arms and the blades and the still man

costume in the back? That was like, hey, good

job, guys. Nice nod there. Thank you. Yeah. I

am really surprised that they actually... I'm

kind of surprised and not really surprised. The

soundtrack for this is already out on iTunes.

Which is interesting, because I wasn't even sure

the show was going to get a soundtrack. But,

yeah, it's out there already. Like I said, Daredevil.

I can't wait to see more. You know... I know

it's a product of our times as far as us paying

attention to the writers and the producers and

the executive producers and the people who are

in charge of the show, but 20, hell, even 10,

25 years ago, 30 years ago, we didn't care about,

well, 30 years ago, we didn't have the internet,

but it's one of those things where it's because

of the internet that that matters. Who's running

the show. And like I said before, for me, I didn't

notice a change in too much of the tone. I just

saw the show evolving as it happened. I think

a lot of the groundwork had been laid for these

guys who took over, but beside the point, I'm

not worried yet. Absolutely love this show. I'm

going to have to watch that. That final... Actually,

I'm going to have to watch episode... Is it episode

8? I forget. Yeah, episode... Yeah, I'm going

to have to watch episode 8 and episode 13 with

that audio descriptive service on because I want

to see how they show the shadows in the glass

episode with the audio descriptive service because

that's going to be really cool to see that. So...

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