Travis Anderson from the Why Is That Podcast on March: Book One

Hey guys, this is Rob Paulsen and you're listening

to the Geek Cast Radio Network. Hello and welcome

to the Comic Concierge Podcast, a podcast that

believes that comics are for everyone. The key

is finding the right one. Today is one of my

concierge episodes where I bring someone on,

recommend a book to them, and we discuss it.

On today's episode, I am very happy to have Travis

Anderson from the Why Is That podcast. Thanks

for joining me. Yeah, absolutely. I'm happy to

be here and looking forward to talking about

some comics. Yeah, yeah, it's exciting exciting

for sure before we get into the discussion Why

don't you tell everyone out there kind of a little

bit about your podcast and email brought you

here today? Yeah, so kind of a brief synopsis

of the podcast. It's a history podcast. It kind

of explores the origins of today's common occurrences

from like word etymology to holiday traditions,

kind of everywhere in between. Like some of the

episodes that I've done so far is my most recent

one. I talked about the pope and how he rose

to the level of supreme pontiff in the Catholic

Church. And then I also discussed like the phrase,

I don't give a damn. and a couple other episodes.

Nice, that's fascinating. Yeah, that's kind of

cool because we have a lot of things that we

do and say, and the reasoning behind it often

we have no clue. And I think that kind of gets

into the comic that we'll be talking about a

little bit, which is March, another book very

much based in history. So going into this, have

you had any experience with comics? Have you

read any previously, or is this really the first

time you're reading a comic book? Like in in

school and when I was in college we for our English

course we read Persepolis which is a graphic

novel as well kind of about history and so that

one was kind of my first historical graphic novel

and then beyond that I've read some various Batman

graphic novels and I have and I currently keep

up on the current run of Batman that Tom King

is doing the Batman Rebirth or Batman 2016 however

you want to classify it Have you read his uh

speaking of Tom King the sheriff of Babylon series

he did I haven't yet I I Wasn't familiar with

Tom King before he started doing Batman. So Okay,

so now I've I didn't read for about the first

six months So I'm all caught up on the series

now so now and now I'm interested in going back

through some of Tom King's Prior work because

I've enjoyed the story that he's put together

so far Yeah, it's interesting because he was

actually in the CIA previously so it's kind of

it's not his story per se but it's taking place

I think during the Iraq war like near the beginnings

of it centers on a murder mystery so you might

enjoy it definitely I think it's kind of where

he cut his teeth in the comic book world. Okay,

yeah, I'll be I'll be interested in that he he

seems like he has a really interesting point

of view I've I've read a couple of his his interviews

where he's talked about doing Batman and he just

he seems like a like an interesting guy As you

say is intriguing sensibility when it comes to

storytelling Yeah, it's been a little bit different

because I've like I have a Batman encyclopedia

Book that I got for Christmas one year and I've

read like online like synopsis of a lot of stories

that I haven't read So it's been a little bit

interesting to see how it actually plays out.

And, you know, he's doing things a little bit

differently. He obviously has a lot more focus

on the Batman and Catwoman relationship, which

is I've I mean, I've enjoyed the relationship.

I don't know, like if I was 12 years old, if

I'd be as into the Batman and Catwoman relationship.

But now that I'm an adult, it's kind of an interesting

dynamic to the Bruce Wayne Batman. Definitely,

definitely, for sure. Brings us to March in the

book that I recommended to you as I indicated,

a big reason behind your interest in history

and this being graphic memoir of John Lewis,

the congressman and civil rights leader. So I

was curious what you thought of March book one.

I really enjoyed book one. I was somewhat familiar

with John Lewis. I'm from Minnesota. I knew of

John Lewis. I don't keep up on every congressman

and woman throughout the whole U .S. because

there's 435 of them, a little bit difficult to

do that. But you do hear of John Lewis just because

he's been, I think since 86, been in congress

and he's obviously a huge figure in the civil

rights movement. So I knew a little bit about

him, so it was actually really fascinating to

hear. Especially in this way, I never thought

of really writing a biography in a graphic novel.

I think especially for his life, it really was

able to bring it to life in a different way than

you'd expect. Just because some of the images

were very striking. They start the book off when

they're crossing the bridge. And you know they're

they're talking about you know whether or not

they can swim and I thought that was just kind

of you know a powerful way to you know start

but also a powerful way to to tell a story as

unique as you know John Lewis is like. Yeah definitely

it's actually kind of intriguing like the how

it got to the point where he was even a part

of this project because you know I don't think

John Lewis is one of the comic book shops on

every Wednesday to pick up his Batman comics

but the author of the book Andrew Aden. He actually

is a comic book fan and I was listening to it

was a speech that John Lewis was giving and he

mentioned that Andrea was mentioned about going

to the Comic Con in San Diego and some of the

other staff members are kind of ribbing him a

little bit and John Lewis mentioned that, you

know, comics should be treated with respect because

it was actually a comic book that helped him

get in. To think the civil rights move it was

a Martin Luther King junior and the Montgomery

story which was you know it pretty infamous comic

that was like only 14 pages but it was about

you know the Montgomery boycats and he mentioned

like how that had a huge impact on him and a

lot of other civil rights leaders so it's kind

of come full circle now with him writing his

story in comic book form. Yeah and it's it's

kind of interesting because I think they mentioned.

The the comic book in the in book one. They mentioned

the Montgomery Martin Luther King in the Montgomery

story And it's kind of interesting the way that

the way that they you know did the story is it's

basically on Barack Obama's Inauguration day

and he's telling the story to a couple kids that

came into his office And so it was interesting

like it was even like a bigger thing where he

Or he got started with was like you said that

comic book No, he's it's kind of like he's passing

on his story to the next generation in this in

the same way Yeah, I think you made a good point

too about how this was a good way of telling

the story because I think this came out around

the same time as the Selma film and obviously

centered this this opens with that same March

and I think one of the benefits of Telling a

story like this in comic book form like you mentioned

reading Persepolis and similar story with that

is that it kind of gives you the benefits of

both you would get from a traditional novel or

autobiography or biography along with that of

a film where you get that striking imagery the

the graphic nature of it and you know those images

can certainly say a lot but at the same time

this being his memoir and this being his story

you get that personal connection as well like

the Understanding of really the thoughts in the

minds of the people there like you would with

a traditional novel So you get a kind of good

combination of both to really I think really

put you in that place in time In a way that like

it's hard to do with just a movie or just a TV

or just a regular written novel Yeah, because

even with with like movies where they you know

have the obviously powerful imagery it can still

be You still have limits to the form, you know,

you can't really go past two and a half hours

Whereas with the book you can kind of you know

flush out what you need to and and a direct attention

in a kind of a certain way and I think then with

the with the picture or with the images of the

novel it kind of adds to that, I don't know,

gravitas of the situation Yeah definitely i think

that was a big piece of it and why it's i think

as acclaimed as it is and putting john lewis's

name on it it being his story i think certainly

brings a huge amount of credibility to it as

well into that of even the genre or the medium

of comics because it. It's you know it's one

thing for an author to take this or someone like

a story historian to take the story and tell

it but when you're getting the point of view

and getting actual one of them. Biggest figures

in that and in that store a part of it it it

adds a lot of credibility to it of course and

I was just intrigued like how it starts really

at the beginning and he him learning about his

chickens and how that really set the stage of

like his desire to basically preach to his chickens

and how the patients to raise them and kind of

where the tenderness of him came into and then

how then we kind of just see him growing up within

within this first this first book of the three.

Yeah, that yeah, I hadn't I never had heard like

a story at all about you know His chickens and

that was it was a really humanizing way To start

the story and to start like so even like someone

who has no idea who John Lewis is I think that

was a good way to kind of introduce who he is

and to kind of Let you see his human side before

he kind of gets political because you know sometimes

you know if you start writing the political it

Can become for better or worse polarizing? How

do you think utilizing the juxtaposition of the

present day or at the time present day? Where

we know Barack Obama getting getting his inauguration

compared to that of the life that on Lewis lived

For you did that device? I think it showed you

showcased like just how much has changed with

that period of time obviously Still still growth

mean developments still so need to occur, but

I just thought that was a good way Just seeing

the journey that he went on as a person from

the days of being in this farm in Alabama to

being a congressman and being there on the election

of the first African -American president. Did

that device work for you? Yeah, I think it worked

really well because one of the things is as he's

telling the story, you get a point in time where

he couldn't even sit in a restaurant to order

a meal. And then all of a sudden you switch back

to present day. And there's actually, you know,

it's one of the huge events, you know, Barack

Obama's Inauguration Day. And it just shows,

you know, through, you know, the work of people

like John Lewis, you know, what they've been

able to accomplish in a generation. I think that

that part of it kind of inspires that hope is

because I think a lot of times for people, they

think, you know, what can one person do? In a

single generation to actually change the way

things are. And this actually shows just how

big of an impact one lifespan can be on an entire

civilization. Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's, I

mean, obviously John Lewis is a name that many

people know, but just seeing how many things

he was connected to just in this first volume

and the things that they went through, like there

was that. Going to the the process of the counters

and ends you know at those restaurants and we

often see the end result of that You know where

people are sitting there and they're you know

being berated but just seeing the progression

of it how they would first go in and ask if People

could be seated and they would you know be denied

and they would go in with more people and just

like there were the method to their To their

processes and in the way that they would you

know, there was a lot of thought and planning

that went into all those and something I thought

what I thought was really effective in this was

being able to see how that all came about because

we see you know we always see the the imagery

in the in the effects of it but knowing that

it wasn't a random act there were you know a

lot of things that went in to get to that moment.

Yeah, I think that was like the the build -up

through it was such an interesting thing because

like you said once you know It doesn't make the

news tell there's fire hoses being sprayed at

people until they're being pulled out until there's

actually violence and Whereas in this book it

shows, you know, they they went through the process

of you know, having each other Berate them so

like berate each other so that they'd be ready

for whatever insults were hurled at them. So

if they'd be ready to you know, completely go

the route of non -violence because that was,

you know, their explicit mission was to go the

non -violent route, which is a very admiral way

to do things. It's a lot easier said than done,

and it shows just how difficult it was to kind

of get to the point that they could, you know,

make these decisions, make the choices of, you

know, today we're actually going to stay in the

restaurant and how Just that decision kind of

blew up and how, you know, how much preparation

they had. I know with your podcast, you get into

a lot of like how things became the way they

are, where the meaning behind things and things

of that nature. Did you find yourself reading

this and discovering any of that? Like, OK, this

is I didn't understand, know where this idea

came from or anything that you felt like, well,

this kind of falls in line with a lot of what

interests you regarding historical tales. There

there were certain pieces like I think they there

because there was a few times that they They

mentioned like where certain ideas came from

where it was either three, you know Because obviously

both John Lewis and Martin Luther King jr. Were

very religious, but then they also talk about

Gandhi's influence as well kind of on their decision

For how to you know integrate the society. It

was interesting to see the formation of ideas

for the actions that they actually took and how

they, you know, were hoping that they would be

received after they took those. And so I guess

it was kind of, you know, to watch the kind of

path to the reasoning behind everything. That's

a good point. Like, it's seeing how a lot of

these teachings more and where they came from

and why they thought the way they did, like,

especially where John Lewis's desire to kind

of seek. And education and where that came from,

like how he's going on this road trip, but I

thought it was really, really striking where

we're talking about traveling across the country

during that time. And they mentioned there was

like certain states that they have to specifically,

you know, design their route around in order

to make sure that they're safe and like how they

would have all this. He could tell his uncle

was super had a lot of tension until they finally

got into Ohio and he felt like, OK, we're OK

now. And just something that you really don't

even think about just knowing how. isolated people

were at the time and not just because of lack

of technology, but just the fear of knowing what

it could mean if they left the community that

they were in and all the kind of chances that

they were taking at the time just to really go

to school or to, you know, traverse the country

outside of their small communities. Yeah, and

it was like that ride north, it was interesting

because it also kind of talks about the innocence

of a child. He didn't really realize how bad

things were off his farm because he had never

had a reason to leave the farm really. And so

like you said, when he could noticeably tell...

the tension and then like when they finally got

to I think Ohio and his uncle was finally able

to relax and just that that complete difference

of how do you explain something like this to

a kid who grew up on a farm where The biggest

people who were oppressed in his eyes were the

chickens. And all of a sudden he sees that people

judge him just because of the way that he looks,

not because of what's in his head, not because

of his actual actions. And it was just a completely

fascinating thing to kind of see his awakening.

Yeah, that's a good point that you make regarding

you know him looking at the chickens and thinking

that you know He's the one that's being cruel

in a way that he's confining them when the fact

that on a larger scale He's him and his family

are being confined into this specific location

and then learning and seeing what the world can

actually be like when he makes this trip and

he sees what life is like outside of his little

farm and how that propels him to want to go to

school and even though like his family is doesn't

necessarily prove knowing that like it's gonna

cause him and have some rifts with his father.

But I thought it was also intriguing that like

his father even though he would scold him in

a way he felt that his father was still proving

of what he was doing because he knew that ultimately

it may be the opportunity for escape that he

actually needs. That was one of the most interesting

kind of relationship dynamics is when you know

he would hide until the school bus was coming

and then run out as fast as he could so he could

get on it before anyone could tell him to stop

and it was you know because of you know, he had

this thirst for knowledge and even though each

time he got yelled at when he got back, you know,

it was never you know, if you're looking at If

you're looking at you know, he was born in you

know, the nineteen nineteen forty and so, you

know, he would have been growing up like 1950s,

you know, his father certainly could have, you

know, taken the belt out and really taught him

a lesson if he really wanted him to stop going

to school for the days that, you know, they had

to work on the harvest. But it was, you know,

he was only scolding him. He wasn't like actually

punishing him because, you know, he as a father,

you know, he has to, you know, he has to protect

that, you know, authority. He has to make sure

that, you know, he's getting his point across.

But at the same time. It kind of seemed like,

at least from John Lewis's perspective, that

his father was proud of the fact that he was

working towards what he wanted to do. And even

though his father might be scared of the path

that lay ahead of his son, it seemed like he

was very excited that his son wanted to at least

try. Trying can be terrifying. Yeah, and even

seeing like his first encounter, like how when

he first meets with Martin Luther King Jr. and

ultimately knowing that this desire to try to

desegregate his community and what that would

mean and knowing that he'd need to get his permission

from his family, but knowing that they couldn't

necessarily do that because of The danger it

would put them in but knowing that like he they

still in a way like Even despite that they were

supportive of him But also there was a realization

of like there were certain things that they couldn't

do just because of simply You know what it would

mean for them and and the rest of their family

Yeah, because they they talk about how certain

families like once someone got prominent Sometimes

they would attack their attack their family's

house. You know, there's multiple mentions of

of some of these authority or some of the civil

rights leaders families houses getting burned

down and it kind of to make a connection to other

comics there's it's almost like the you know

the reason that superheroes use a secret identity

is they don't want yeah you know they don't want

their family to be harmed and so he was kind

kind of since his family wasn't you know they

were supportive of him doing it if he wanted

to but they didn't want to be involved. And so

he had to walk a fine line between as he got

involved to keep his family safe. Instead of,

like you said, instead of going through with

trying to desegregate the school after meeting

with Dr. King, which I thought the meeting with

Dr. King was a very powerful scene just because

his first time where he... talk where he kind

of had that reality check of what backlash there

would be, you know, if he kept pursuing this.

And so he and so he and it was in that moment

that he kind of made the decision that, yes,

he wants to keep keep pursuing it, but he wants

to do it in as safe a way for his family as possible.

Yeah, yeah. And it was it was intriguing that

like, fascinating to me really that he met Martin

Luther King Jr. so early because I know They

can watch read this for the first time around

the same time of watching someone you know he

was depicted in that as well and it seemed like

that was like the first time they ever encountered

each other but knowing that it also kind of makes

you realize how small that community must have

been within the civil rights movement knowing

that like he's just. in that early stages of

it, but he's already working with Martin Luther

King Jr. to the point that he's such this figure

in historical context. It's just weird seeing

someone interact with them, knowing it's coming

from the person that was actually there. There's

almost a surreal quality to it, just because

he's such a figure that it's hard to even quantify

what it would have been like to encounter him

in real life. Yeah, Martin Luther King, he was

assassinated, you know, 1968. 50 years ago, you

know, he was he was assassinated. So it's it's

almost like in our for for historians, they generally

classify like the last 25 years as current events.

And so and so Martin Luther King, he is literally

a historical figure. And then you're talking

to someone who is not even still alive. He's

still a member of the government who actually

knew Martin Luther King and and came up with

in Martin Luther King Jr.'s movement. It's a

reminder of how close to the present all of this

is. It's sometimes easy to think of that stuff

all in history and forget that that's just a

generation ago that people were going through

all of this stuff. Yeah, yeah, it definitely

is like a reality check to realize how soon that

it like how recent it is and Like I mentioned

to just how much the world has changed and hasn't

changed in the sense of the opening pages of

this or the opening of John Lewis's story that

the life he was living like you could have You

know just showing those and thinking he was alive

during like the late 1800s or something of that

nature but realizing that was in the 20th century

and I mean, obviously we probably even today

have many communities and locations like that.

But in the benefit of a story like this, it does

provide a context to all this to all those moments

and to just how important they were and how connected

we still are to them. And that's that's one of

the things that's that's most most interesting

is that very real connection to this story. It's

and I think that's like you said earlier with

having John Lewis gives you that. that powerful

essence of the story is he's kind of the connector

of all of this. Obviously, it's his story, but

he connects it both from the past and the present

and dedication of the book, he says, you know,

to past and future children of the movement.

And I think that very much is what this story

is. It kind of it connects everything and it

makes you realize, you know, how how how recent

it was and how This movement is still continuing

for it's just kind of a powerful reminder. Yeah,

yeah, for sure. Knowing this was, you know, the

first book of three, did you feel by the end

of this first volume that you obviously it's

not a complete story because it's a story that's

still going as we mentioned, but do you feel

like within itself like it as a piece as a work

of. Historical fiction nonfiction does it work

as a first volume or does it feel like you know

you would need to read the entire trilogy to

fully judge the quality of it overall I think

just from this first one I can tell that it's

you know high quality piece and even if like

obviously we now now know that book two and three

were successfully published but you know say

if something happens and. We go back in time

and something happens and for whatever reason

book two and three were not published And they

just had and you'd only had book one to judge

it on I think I think it's still has still be

a very powerful story still Create a nice picture

of it and it and it does make you want to learn

more about the movement It does make you want

to learn more about John Lewis and and everything

else. So it kind of is it's a very successful

first volume For a trilogy, but it's also just

a successful standalone if this is you know,

the only thing that you're going to read of it

Yeah, yeah makes sense Were there any other pieces

or anything else you wanted to bring up regarding

March book one? Oh, I just wanted to mention

the Kind of the art the artist of it who you

know actually drew everything was you know, Nate

Powell Who I haven't read his other stuff, but

I know he's a very highly acclaimed writer and

comic book artist, but it was very interesting

that they chose to make, to keep it all black

and white, because they have, you know, the cover

is in color, but then they keep the rest of it

black and white. And I think if done correctly,

a black and white, where you very much get to

see the pencil drawings and, you know, the markings

as they create this book, I think that kind of

helps to add to the overall story. Like obviously

the We've talked about the power of John Lewis's

story, but I think very much the penciling and

the style that Nate Powell brought to it kind

of elevates the story to that next level. I think

it's a hard book to figure out even just how

you're going to illustrate it. Like sometimes

with non -fiction books you mentioned like Persepolis,

it's very cartoony in its design. And this is

kind of in there, some that are non -fiction

books that are very, you know, almost like Brotoscope

in the way that their design. And this is kind

of like a little bit in between. It's not 100

% realistic looking figure figure design, but

it's certainly it's not like super cartoony either.

And I think that strikes that balance, especially

when you're that that opening moment where you're

seeing kind of the brutality of what happened

in Selma. And I thought, yeah, it's a good point.

Like his art, I think, as we mentioned, is a

big part of what's what makes this story work

the way it does. And I think choosing to maintain

it within black and white is that was a I think

it's smart choice, especially when it comes to

the violence, it leaves a lot of things open

for interpretation or like the way that we would

see the effects of what would occur. I think

by putting it in black and white, you do have

the opportunity to probably give this to all

ages, maybe not all ages, but to a variety of

audiences that maybe wouldn't be able to fully

grasp it. But I think that it was effectively

drawn and considering like Tough subject matter

to get correct, and I thought he did a good job

doing that Yeah, it keeps it. It keeps it grounded

in reality while also you know letting the the

story speak for itself without and Because that's

always one of the one of the things that can

be so I don't know almost jarring like sometimes

the the coloring can almost take you out of a

story Whereas a black and white can kind of keep

you going through because it And that's always

something that with a graphic novel or a comic

book, the art, since you've chosen to do it graphically,

is one of the most central purposes of the story.

And I think for this one, the way that they did

it, it adds to it. And at times, I think if they

would have gone with color, like seeing all of

a sudden, oh, he's wearing a red shirt. okay

like why did they choose red shirt in this one

and so at no point does it take it away but it's

but it allows it allows for the story to stand

on itself but it also allows it to elevate that

like even even with the when he thinks the one

chicken dies and you can see like his his tears

in his eyes it it very much powerfully conveys

that emotion without And so it has that ability

just because of his talent of, like you said,

the shading and everything to really make the

story flow, make it work really well. And I really

appreciated the art of the story. So even if

someone's not interested in the content of the

story, I think the art stands by itself as well.

Yeah, I think even at times you see, most of

it is a lot of... Negative or positive space,

but there are times where it's like When I think

they can get really intense where the shadowing

and it gets nearly all black and with a little

bit of of light just especially like when they're

in their in their jail cells or Some intense

moments going on where the pages turns You know

black to white with the white lettering on a

black page, and I think it really helps those

moments stand out specifically and there's that

one page as well where it's like this big piece

of realization that John Lewis goes through and

it's a silhouette, which I thought was also very

effective. And, you know, I think the black and

white quality aspect of it too gives it more

of a timeless quality, where sometimes if it

was in color, like you mentioned, it would really

make it stand out to specific place and time

more so, even though this obviously is historical

tale, but I think it, it makes the juxtaposition

of the present day in the past, not as, not as

jarring, it makes it much more connected in that

way. Yeah, when I saw the colorized cover and

I flipped it open to the first page where they're

doing the march, my first thought was maybe they

colored the present and then left the past in

black and white, which now they do in some movies.

But I was glad that they kept it consistent all

the way through, because like you said, there

is that connection and then also it keeps it

timeless. I recently purchased the anniversary

edition of the killing joke for Batman and they

talked about and like they did a did an interview

with the person like just a little a short one

with with the person who did the color on the

on the new one they talked about how There was

certain colors of the original that like made

it stick out You know the year that it was was

out where he wanted to kind of fix that so that

since it's such a timeless tale to make it so

that it could also go while also not losing the

qualities of like the yellow shirt and some of

the imagery that we're familiar with. So he was

kind of trying to walk that line. And I think

with this book, since they chose to do it in

black and white, even if you were to reproduce

it in 20 years, they wouldn't have to really

change the coloring or the stenciling or anything

like that. It would just be, like you said, timeless

and continue to tell the story in a way that's

that very much connects everything. Yeah, very

true, very true. With all this by, would you

see yourself picking up the next volumes that

continue the story? Yes, I absolutely plan to

read both volumes two and three now. It definitely

caught my attention and I'm very interested now

to see where the story goes. And so I definitely

am planning to read both volumes two and three.

And this is also part where I like to try to...

Recommend you know based on your reaction that

some other books that you might enjoy or you

know either based upon You're not liking it or

liking it and you know We talked about obviously

did some of the Tom King stuff if you're enjoying

his Batman run But to look at some other historical

comics that kind of remind me of this in a way

There's one that's more fictionized this current

series or was original graphic novel from like

a decade ago And now it's come back. It's called

Incognito Negro And there's a new one called

Renaissance and it takes place during the 1920s

in Harlem with this the center character is a

reporter he works at an African American newspaper

during the time and but the thing about him he's

got a very light complexion and so much so that

he is able to pass as a white person with like

makeup and things like that so it allows him

to go into different parts of the you know the

city that he wouldn't be able to otherwise so

it's kind of an interesting look at like how

Seeing kind of the way society would work at

that time and taking place them during Harlem

I like I fairly find that time period really

fascinating. Yeah, you might really enjoy that

And another one that's kind of on a very different

subject matter But it's a really powerful story

and its own right is the Ukrainian and Russian

and it's about train during the time of Stalin

and when they would they basically starve the

country and what they it's a very depressing

story as you would just imagine but it's it's

similar to this and and it's not the person who

wrote it went around and Like a documentary in

a book form because he got interviews from different

people to put it all together But I think it

serves a similar purpose to something of March

but telling a very different story Yeah, that

sounds really... those both sound interesting.

I really like the name of the first one. It's

a clever name with once you described the summary

of the story. And both time periods, they lend

themselves to a visual medium that just can make

it very powerful to... that kind of just adds

to the story because there's... you know, for

any time that there's oppression or violence

towards a group of people, when you're reading

it, it's like, it almost becomes like statistics

where you're just like, oh, that really sucks

that that happened and then you just turn the

page. Whereas if you're, you know, actually seeing

it, it kind of, it adds to that realness and

it adds to that, you know, just emotional impact.

Yeah, very true. I agree very much. So before

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uh, I'm interested in looking at your analysis

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I'll let you know once I once I finish both of

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