80s Cartoon Villain Tournament Semi-Finals

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to pass. One shall stand. One shall fall. That's

going to be one of those shows. TV's Mr. Kermit.

Hi -ho. Hello. I should say TV's Mr. Neal. And

then, of course, we have Mike the Birdman Dodd.

I was going to do my Skeletor voice, but my vocal

cords hurt, so no. And, of course, without any

further ado, Optimus Solo is going to tell us

what has been going on with the tournament so

far. Yes, I'm back. After a one -week hiatus.

Well, I mean, we have gone. We started with 16.

We're down to the final four. So we would like

to reveal the results of the last. Two episodes,

basically. I know we already did the one, but

we'll do them both together again just to refresh

everybody as to what happened in the quarterfinal

matchups. In the first quarterfinal matchup,

we had Skeletor versus King Zarkon. And Steve.

In the final tally, Skeletor has slam dunked

this battle with a score of 34 to 8. I was a

little surprised that it was that much of a landslide.

But 34 -8 is a very commanding win for Mr. Skeletor.

Anybody last thoughts on that matchup, Skeletor

-King Zarkon, and the results there, Mike? Blanchard

or me? Either one. Yeah, yeah. Which one are

you talking to? I don't know him by name. Honestly,

I think Skeletor won this simply based on popularity.

Yeah. He's more well -known. King Zarkon. I literally

had to ask Blanchard, like, Who the fuck is that?

Because apparently your dumb Canadian ass never

watched Voltron. See, I can't remember the last

time I actually watched Voltron, although I just

found out it came to Netflix. Voltron Lion Force

on Netflix. Yes, Lion Force is on Netflix. It's

not a current series. It's no longer in production,

but the latest new series, Voltron Classic Lion

Force, was on there for a while, and then I guess

Netflix lost its... deal or whatever might be

on canadian netflix but i'm not sure i only watch

the american because yours is way fucking better

i know everything's better in america well i

will say that you guys get more tv series but

we get more movies which is weird yeah anyway

moving on moving on on the same side of the bracket

the other quarterfinal matchup saw avenger from

dungeons and dragons face off against cobra commander

from gi joe and steve what was the final tally

on that matchup Well, another popularity contest

win on this side because Cobra Commander stomped

Venger's ass with a score of 31 -12. 31 -12.

12 is respectable, I guess, for a loser. That's

one of the highest vote totals we've had for

one of the losing sides. I know I said it for

the other matchup, but this was really one that

I was surprised wasn't a little bit closer. I

think Venger had a lot of things going for him

in this battle. I know Cobra Commander's from

G .I. Joe, and he's the more popular, more well

-known one. I'm really kind of shocked that Venger

didn't fare a little bit better with the votes.

Well, you have to wonder if maybe the new movie

kind of played into this, too. That's true. Just

because of the timing. Yeah, that's a good point.

I just think Venger, with his size, with his

flying ability, and his magic ability, would

have some things that he could do to Cobra Commander.

Blanchard, what do you think about that one?

Avenger is scarier than Cobra Commander. Oh,

by no comparison there. But in a one -on -one

battle, even counting his flying ability, all

Cobra Commander's got to do is just shove a rocket

launcher up his ass. Yeah, exactly. You've got

magic spells. I've got an Uzi. What are you going

to do? Destro, pull the trigger. Or this. Two

words. His tank done. Yes. Neil, any thoughts

on that one? I think that's criminal. But I'm

just looking at the way this is going. I see

who the two finals are going to be. I'm not going

to give it away just yet, but for this match

right now, I can't believe Cobra Commander won.

I'm at least surprised that it wasn't closer

just because of the fact that it's mystical magic

against science. And it's kind of a toss -up

in there. But for sheer fear factor, I think

Avenger would have destroyed him. But I definitely

see the popularity popping out in this one again.

Yeah, and on the other side of the bracket, we

had our first quarterfinal matchup on that side,

which was unfair, to say the least. Mumra from

Thundercats against Miles Mayhem from Mask. And

Steve, what was the brutal number total on this

one? I think this was the biggest landslide we've

got in the entire tournament. Mumra smoked his

ass with 37 -5. I don't know who could say five

would destroy Mumra, because Mumra's like the

eternal evil bastard. That's one that I need

to see some explanations. Besides, we did have

the argument about the mustache. Yeah, the mustache

could trump him. He could get scared. It's the

hair. It's the hair. Well, I'm actually surprised

he didn't get more votes, and here's why. Because

this is very similar to Cobra Commander and that

other guy, magic versus technology. And you look

at the forces Miles Mayhem commands. Now, we're

talking one -on -one, I guess. And in the end,

it's a fat guy with a mustache versus Mumra the

Everliving. Anybody named Mumra the Everliving?

I mean, come on. Yeah, like, what are you going

to do? I can throw potatoes at you or something.

Miles Mayhem would lose no matter what because

even if he did have a powerful weapon, he would

drop it. Yes, he would. And if anybody doesn't

know what I'm talking about, just watch one episode

of Mask and you will see that all important things

get dropped. And then the other final quarter,

final matchup, that's a mouthful. On that side

of the bracket was Megatron from Transformers

against Shredder from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Now this one, I guess you kind of have to throw

out the popularity argument because I'm pretty

sure that both of these characters are just about

equally as popular amongst geeks and fans everywhere.

Steve, what were the numbers for Megatron and

Shredder? Well, being that they're both 80s icons,

I'm kind of shocked that they were not as close

as they should have been. Just for sheer ruthlessness,

even though plans didn't quite work out. We have

Megatron with 38 to the Shredder at 10. I think

this one came down to being competent. I think

it came down to the competency. I think it also

came down to the fact you have a fusion cannon

and a giant ass foot. I think one thing that

keeps Megatron kind of an edge against a lot

of these combatants is just sheer size and that

he's made of metal. And the fusion cannon. And

the fusion cannon. And the thing was, like I

said last episode, you know, you look at humans

versus robots from Cybertron. Robots from Cybertron

are at least three or four building stories tall

and they can hold a human in their hand. So that's

one of the reasons why I think Megatron is going

to be going a little further. Oh, we'll see.

Megatron's brutality because the Shredder always

threatens to kill the turtles and never does.

Whereas Megatron's like, hi, I've blown away

five or six of your buddies and I'm coming for

you. Well, it's like the difference between Turtles

Forever where he says, let's invent the tickle

machine. And then Krang's like, yes, let's do

it. And then you have the Shredder and... Or

not the Shredder. You have Megatron in the Transformers,

the movie, saying, Such heroic nonsense. And,

you know, blowing guys away point blank in the

head with a fusion cannon. That's true. So our

final four matchup, we have... Four different

cartoons that are very well -known represented

here. We have He -Man, G .I. Joe, Thundercats,

and Transformers into the final four with Skeletor,

Cobra Commander, Mumra, and Megatron. Honestly,

I could have seen this coming a mile away just

because they're the most well -known out of all

of these represented franchises. To me, I mean,

I didn't think realistically that Benji would

get the votes, but I thought that there was,

you know, if you looked at it from a scenario

standpoint and just like broke down. the combatants,

I thought Avenger would have had a shot to beat

Cobra Commander. And I think one of the biggest

upsets that we've seen in the bracket actually

was Skeletor beating Hordak. Yeah, that was...

Well, I think the problem there was he had two

He -Man villains against each other. If he had

Hordak versus, say, Big Boss, maybe... You know

what I'm saying? Because I'm kind of looking

at this bracket and I was thinking, huh. There's

a lot of big franchises represented here, but

the matchups are a little weird because if you

look at Megatron and Psykill, there was no fucking

way Psykill was going to be out. Well, I mean,

the way that the bracket was put up, I mean,

we had our two robots going against each other

on that side. You know, obviously He -Man and

She -Ra have a connection, whereas Thundercats

and Silverhawks had a connection. We have the

two humans going against each other. The two

guys with... or half things over their faces

going together. And then with Blackstar, with

Overlord and Venture, kind of the spiky head

guys going against each other. So, I mean, we

tried to match them up there based on some similarities.

But I just honestly... If I was going to see

one of these guys not making it, it would have

been probably Skeletor if he would have got beaten

that first round against Hordak. Once either

one of those guys passed into the quarters, I

think it was a smooth sailing to the semis. And

then, of course, the one that we all... Most

of these have gone how we just said they would

go, outside of Venture and Cobra Commander, which

we've already talked about. The only other one

that did not go how we thought it would go was

Monstar and Mumra. Yeah, Monster and Mumra and

Skeletor and Hordak are the only one out of the

entire tournament that did not, because we all

thought it was going to be Hordak. Really? Yeah.

Wow. Hordak made Skeletor his bitch in different,

you know... parts of that franchise's history

um he was the master whereas Skeletor was the

the whiny bitch apprentice um so Hordak had that

going for him and like we all we all voted for

Monstar um you know he did not have the weaknesses

that we felt Momura had even though some of those

kind of got explained on the forum or on the

uh GCRN page a little bit as far as later on

in the series how the reflection didn't weaken

Momura um but yeah I mean I don't think anyone

can can say that they're shocked that we have

these four into the final four. Anybody have

any thoughts before we start getting into these

battles? I would say, look at this. Magic versus

tech. Yep, that's going to be a theme here today.

Yeah, and I think it's going to come down to

determination, competency, and how close they

got to beating their respective heroes. And breaking

it down into what their actual skill set is and

what their weaknesses are, if they have any,

and how they match up against their particular

opponent. I mean, this is not just them standing

alone. It's how would they match up against this

particular opponent, which could be a determining

factor. Mike or Neil or Steve, any thoughts before

we get into this? Nope. Go ahead, Steve. I'm

just kind of... wondering who's going to make

it out alive out of these 80s icons. I posted

on the comments that I was just hoping that I

was still friends with some of you after today's

record. Because I really have no idea who's going

to be going for who, but I have some strong opinions

on a couple of them, and I don't know if everyone's

going to like them. One thing before we break,

I do want to let the listeners know, we are only,

like, between GCRN and our friends, we're probably

10 votes. And most of the quarterfinal rounds

got anywhere from 30 to 40 votes. Well, we had

60 or 70 votes, or 80 votes. Right, right, exactly.

But what I'm saying is that the five of us here

tonight that are giving our opinions on why we

think what person would win what battle, it isn't

just, oh, this is the GCRN's thing. It's rigged.

It's not rigged. Whoever votes for whoever they

feel would win, that's... I'm just trying to

avoid backlash from anybody. And I didn't vote

at all. So I've got no, I'm just going purely

by what I know. You lazy dumbass. All right.

So we're going to hear from the first two combatants.

Or suffer my wrath, devastation, ruin, chaos.

No mistake will cost you dearly, old enemy. All

right, starting on the left side of the bracket

today in our semifinal matchup, as you just heard,

we have Skeletor against Cobra Commander in what

is an epic battle. Like, this is one of the best

matchups you could ever hope for in 80s villain.

Like, this is just epic. Break it down a little

bit. Skeletor beat Hordak in the first round.

from She -Ra, and then beat King Zarkon from

Voltron to get here to the semis, and Cobra Commander

took out Doc Terror in his first battle, and

then Venger from Dungeons & Dragons to get here.

So that is the path that they took to get to

this point, and now we have them facing off against

each other. It's He -Man against G .I. Joe. the

Birdman brought up before. This is a theme for

today, and it's been a theme in a couple other

battles previously, but big time today. It's

all about sword and sorcery and mystical magical

powers against sheer force or, you know, physical

guns, etc. That's what we're going to see in

this. So let's start with Steve here. What do

you think about this matchup? Who has an advantage?

What are the pros and cons of both of the combatants

here with Skeletor against Cobra Commander? Well,

first of all, you have two sniveling, cowering

fools with lack of thought in their plans, and

they have the lackeys that actually kind of have

a clue of what's going on, but aren't really

allowed to do anything because the head honcho

is telling them, no, we must do it my way, even

though it's freaking wrong. And they both sound

pretty similar. Neither one you can see their

real face. I don't know. It's kind of a hard

one because, again, it's magic against science.

And at the same time, this magic is, I think,

stronger than the previous one that Cobra Commander

had to go against. So it's kind of a toss -up.

I'm going to wait to weigh in on my final decision

on that, I think. As I think a lot of us will

throughout these two battles here as we try to

hear each other's opinions. My thought here is

this, and I don't have a favorite either way.

I love both of these characters, and I love both

of the franchises. The way I'm trying to break

it down here is how can each one of them possibly

win in a one -on -one battle? Now, for Cobra

Commander, I see his only way of winning is somehow...

shooting Skeletor. Like, he has to have some

type of weapon that he is going to use and somehow

hit Skeletor in a way that will render him, you

know, helpless or whatever, where he can take

the advantage. Skeletor is by far the stronger

of the two as far as just physical strength.

Well, yeah, he's a warrior. Yeah, I mean, I know

he's just skull and bones, but he somehow in

his Skeletor frame has freaking muscles, like

he's built. Like, he's no He -Man, of course,

but he is a strong... So if it came down to just,

like, a wrestling match or a physical, like,

you know, they're rolling around or, you know,

coming blow to blow like a boxer, you know, Skeletor

wins. Skeletor also has his magic that he can

use. He can come up with different things. He

can transport himself. He can, you know, do different

stuff with his staff, you know, as well. So,

I mean, he has multiple ways where I think he

can win this battle, whereas Cobra Commander

has to. He can't win physically. um in like any

type of wrestling fighting match so he has to

hope that something he has a weapon or something

is going to be effective against skeletor so

i don't know i so i think skeletor has more ways

he could win i'm not saying he does win but i'm

saying he has more ways more options to use at

his disposal to to win this and he as far as

the series go you you saw skeletor taking action

more than you see Cobra Commander, I think. You

know, Cobra Commander a lot of times is leading

the forces or coming up with a plan or doing

this or that, maybe shooting from afar, whereas

Skeletor is a lot more involved in battles throughout

the series as himself. And Cobra Commander is

also the idiot that created Serpentor, who ended

up taking command of Cobra from him. That's true.

And he has the faceplate, so he could reflect

the magic back at Skeletor, but he'd have to

get hit in the face. Neil, what are your thoughts

on this one? What a great strategy. Please hit

me in the face. In the face. Now, listeners,

you see what you brought here. Aside from the

military commander, and I'm using bigger quotes,

military commander. And the other guy being a

sorcerer. These guys are basically the same character.

They're both incompetent boobs who came from

a much, much cooler bad guy. For Skeletor, he

had Hordak. And Cobra Commander, of course, had

Golobulus. Actually, considering Golobulus is

one adventure, I'd like to forget about him.

Never mind what I was just saying. Come on, he

was voiced by the Penguin. Yeah, he was, but

his plan was to rain space spores. Anyway...

But he did defeat Unicron. True. But just looking

at these two guys, they both fail regularly,

and it's like whichever one is going to fail

first is going to give the other guy the win.

Although I must say that on an earlier episode,

I said that... Skeletor got one advantage over

most of these other villains in that he took

down Horde Prime. I'm going to have to retract

that because when that happened, that was during

Skeletor's face turn. And since this is a villains

tournament, that doesn't count. So the one time

Skeletor actually did something competent, he

was technically a good guy. If you had to break

down the actual plans that they came up with,

yes, they failed most of the time. Skeletor did

come up with some clever ways to try to beat

He -Man. I mean, he basically transported him

to another dimension at one point. He would clone

himself. do the disguise himself as somebody

else. He had multiple ways that he actually used

intelligence. Yeah, they all fail. But Cobra

Commander, it seems like the smarter ideas or

the more clever plots that came along in that

series were coming from other people. It was

coming from Zartan, or it was coming from Destro.

So it seems like Cobra Commander has better staff,

and that might give him the edge. And so that's

where I'm going to go. I'm going to go with Cobra

Commander. Unless you take the staff away, and

then who has better ideas just on their own?

If it's just mano -a -mano, I think Skeletor

might come up with a clever way to be. I don't

even know if he needs a clever way to be Cobra

Commander, actually. Knock on his front door?

He could trip over his own two feet and be Cobra

Commander. He could just knock on his front door

and disguise himself as something Cobra's going

to fall for, and then boom. Traveling salesman.

Just leave a gift with a bow on it and let Cobra

Commander fall for it. Blanchard. No, I don't

think so. The thing with Skeletor, and not that

I want to correct Kevin, but it's one of those

things where... His whole body is not skull and

bones. It's just his face. His face got melted

off. Right. The rest of his body is... Built.

You know, the rest of his body, it's just like

he was a, you know, a part of the Blue Man Group,

honestly. You know. When Smurfs lose their faces.

Yeah. Skull Smurfs, the new series. I'd watch

that shit in a heartbeat. Skeletor going... But,

yeah, I mean, in a one -on -one battle, I honestly

don't know who would win out of the two if they're

just fighting amongst each other, because as

everyone's already said, Skeletor is more physical.

He's, you know, he fights the most powerful man

in the universe, and Cobra doesn't... Cobra barely

fights Joe. I mean, if it was who was a better

commander or if it was who would win with their

lackeys or with their army or with their troops.

It would probably be Cobra. Right, but if it's

one -on -one. It's Skeletor. I'm leaning that

way. Well, because look at it this way. Because,

okay, like, you know, you guys were saying who,

you know, Cobra commander would have to shoot

him. Well. Or use some other weapon of his, you

know, whatever. Right, but, yeah, but that's

what I'm saying. Like, Cobra Commander would

have to use some sort of weapon to inflict damage

on Skeletor, and even with the 80s thing of,

oh, hey, I'm going to shoot a laser right over

the top of your head, it doesn't actually hit

you. Even with that whole animation stigma...

I honestly don't think shooting Skeletor will

do anything to it. Well, if you shoot at him,

he can just shoot a ray or a bolt out of his

staff, and it will hit the bullet. Yeah. I mean,

he did that multiple times when other people

shot stuff at him in the series. Right, exactly.

Birdman, what do you think? Well, I'm kind of

looking at it, and I'm going to give this fight

to Cobra Commander. And here's why. Just because

you're a warrior doesn't mean you're a tactician.

And to command that big of a military force,

such as Cobra, it requires a certain skills,

a certain charisma, a certain tactical mind.

Skeletor's idea of tactical command is get them!

Whereas Cobra Commander, you look at all the

schemes Cobra's pulled off, yeah, they're inevitably

thwarted by Joes, but initially they work. Skeletor

doesn't have such a good success record. Like,

big deal, I've kidnapped the sorceress. Who gives

a shit? But you look at Cobra, some of their

plans have actually been pulled off. Mind you,

they're corrected by the next episode. But still,

they're able to affect things on a global scale.

So I'm thinking, if Cobra Commander and Skeletor

were to go one -on -one, Skeletor will have,

oh, not Skeletor, Cobra Commander will have superior

intelligence about... Skeletor, because he'll

have done some kind of recon. And because, I'm

presuming they get their weapons, because Skeletor

has his staff and shit, it would not surprise

me if Cobra Commander were to sit at a distance,

like he's known to do, and hit him with a sniper

rifle. Because you think about it, Skeletor is

used to, I'm going to combat you on the battlefield.

Cobra Commander is a sneaky motherfucker. That's

true. And he's going to use tactics to win the

day. Brute Force is not his style, because if

you think about it, when you look at all the

cool shit Cobra has, if they were to throw everything

at G .I. Joe at once, they could reasonably stand

a chance to win. So you've got to think he's

a pretty smart guy, he's tactical, he's sneaky,

and it wouldn't surprise me if he were to quote

-unquote surrender to Skeletor and then hit him

with a shotgun. That's true. We have the evil

warrior against the terrorist. Exactly. I mean,

that's how you got to look at this. I mean, you've

got one guy who's a straight up. I'm fighting.

Not, not exactly honorably, but you know, he's

willing to fight you face to face. Cobra commander

has no qualms about blowing shit up. Yeah. That's

his favorite thing to do. Exactly. So he has

to rely on his cunning, his sneakiness, his backhandedness.

Wait a second. This is a villain tournament,

isn't it? Yeah. Well, I mean, those are some

good points in favor of Cobra Commander, giving

him some ways to win. Because I was going to

say, you know, otherwise I don't see him winning

just based on, you know, I have to shoot you

or something. But if he comes up with some type

of trap or if he tricks him, he goes from a distance,

then he does have some options there. I'm still

not sure where I'm going with this one. Anybody

else, other thoughts, final thoughts that people

have? Even with trapping Skeletor. The one example

I can use, and it was so funny, He -Man trapped

him in a zero G bubble, but Skeletor was on a

sky sled and he still flew away inside the bubble.

So even Trey, like unless Cobra Commander got

Skeletor in the jungle on the battlefield and

like, you know, had some sort of hidden trap

that sent Skeletor miles underground. there's

no way in hell Cobra Commander's going to be

able to trap Skeletor. If you were to just take

these two combatants, and you went to an arena,

like a gladiatorial arena, like back in the day,

and you just drop them both into the arena, I

think Cobra Commander's in trouble. Yeah, because

he doesn't have the physicality. Well, if you

take away weapons, and you take away magic, and

it's just a brute force battle, yeah. Well, even

if you gave them their weapons, but had their...

basically both being transported into a barren

landscape that has nothing to hide, nothing to,

you know, they're just out in the open. Like

Dragon Ball Z. And they have their staff, they

have their gun or whatever, they have all their

weapons. Cobra Commander's still in trouble.

Well, see, another thing I think that may get

Cobra Commander the advantages, Cobra Commander

just tends to act, whereas Skeletor tends to

monologue. Okay, I will give you that. And Cobra

Commander could just get tired of him and say,

I'm tired of this shit. Red laser. What if they

both just tried to whine and cry until the other

one just submitted? That would be interesting.

Because they both are very good whiners. Neil,

any other thoughts? No. You said it so offended.

No. I'm just... I'm just kind of, I don't know.

I admit it's going to be kind of a close one,

but I still got to go with Cobra Commander. He's

sneaky. He's got resources. Skeletor, if you

gave him resources, I don't know if he'd know

what to do with it. I think this should, if I

was to predict or bet, this I would think would

be the closest battle of the entire tournament

so far. I think so, too. Oh, yeah. Most definitely.

Let's go around the table then and this virtual

table that we're sitting at and give our vote,

starting with Blanchard. I'm going with Skeletor.

Neil? Cobra Commander. Birdman? Cobra Commander.

Steve? In light of new evidence and everything

else, Cobra Commander. Still going with Skeletor.

But I can see why people would vote Cobra Commander.

I wouldn't be upset either way. I can see both

of them being able to pull this off. I'm still

shocked that Cobra Commander's here. I'm still

shocked that both of them are here in a way,

but I'm totally not in another way. All right,

let's hear from my next group. Enjoy your power

while it lasts! I'll crush you with my bare hands!

All right, as you just heard, our other semi

-final matchup is a battle of the two Ms here,

Mumra and Megatron. We have Thundercats against

Transformers, which we'll start with T. Okay,

this is starting to get weird. And Mumra's path

to the semis was through Moonstar and through

Miles Mayhem, which both start with M as well.

I don't know where I'm going with all this. Megatron's

path here was through Psykill and through Shredder.

So that is how they got where they are. And again,

we have magic and mystical power against sheer

brute force. Now, I just want to say one thing.

To me... It would have been super interesting

to see Monstar versus Megatron. That would be

fucking cool. Metal is metal. Because that is

the closest... Out of our 16 people, Monstar

is the closest person that can match the size

and the armor that Megatron had. That being said,

Mumra beat Monstar. So he's... almost already

gone against someone with the same traits as

Megatron. I know that there's a lot of Transformers

fans amongst us and a lot of Megatron fans amongst

us and I know he has a fusion cannon and I know

he's huge and I know he's armor plated and everything

like that. I'm sorry to cut you off, but the

one thing I do have to point out here is if somehow

stupidly Megatron ever transformed Momra would

just pick him up and throw him away. No, seriously.

If you look at G1... You could just trap him

in a box. Exactly. But if you look at G1 and

you look at G1 Megatron in that series... Every

time he's in his gun mode, unless Starscream

or Soundwave or whoever is firing him, every

time I've seen him in his gun mode, it is to

disguise himself. It is to be in, you know, a

gun case or a guitar case or whatever. Every

time I've seen him in gun mode when people are

not firing him, he's a gun just laying around.

But can he fire once before he drops to the ground?

Because I'm pretty sure he's done that. According

to the opening theme song that played during

Season 1, yes. Because he did that. And he did

it in the comics, too. So there's something to

think about. The thing I wanted to point out,

though, about Mumra, it would have been Mumra

or Moonstar, both of them, in the right form,

is every bit as big as Megatron. Yeah. So as

Momura the Everliving, his superior form, he

can compete size -wise with Megatron. And he

does have more powerful magic than probably any

character in this tournament. Yeah, I would say

that's probably pretty true. He's been around

forever, so he knows a thing or two. We pointed

out before in the opening round his supposed

weaknesses, and some of those we discovered may

not be weaknesses if we're taking him later on

in the series. Yeah. Which I think you would

have to take him at his best point in the entire

series. We're not taking comic versions of these

characters. We're not taking the 2011 series

of Thundercats. We're not taking... Transformers

Prime or anything. These are the 80s versions

of themselves in the cartoon, so you're taking

the best version of that cartoon character and

putting them against each other. Mike, what were

you going to say? I was going to say that I remember

in, I think it was, was it Exodus? I don't know.

Whenever the Thundercats landed on Third Earth

and they came up against Mumra, he had said that

he had been around for thousands of years. Megatron,

the Decepticons, and the Autobots have been around

for four million years. So, Megatron's been around

a lot longer. Yeah, but Megatron... But, as you

said, Mumra has more powerful magic, so... Mumra's

been around for thousands of years as his powerful

being self. Right. Megatron was not always the

powerful character that we know him. Yeah, those

four million years you just referenced was during

the time that he was dormant and dead inside

of a volcano. Yeah, and then before that, for

a brief period, he was who he was. But before

that, obviously, well, we can't reference stuff

from later continuity, so I won't go there. You

know, I don't know. Mumra, if anyone can beat

Megatron, I would have said it was Moonstar or

Mumra. I mean, I'm not trying to predict what's

going to happen in the next round if Megatron

was to get there. But once again, it's almost

like the same scenario we were just talking about.

Megatron has to rely on being able to either

get his hands on Mumra, being able to shoot him

with his fusion cannon or one of his weapons,

or he doesn't. I mean, how else does he beat

Mumra? Brutality. That's what's going to win

him on this because Mumra's got one distinct

disadvantage. Do you know what that is? He's

squishy. And what I mean by that is, Mumra, when

you watch him fight in the cartoon, he's very

physical. He's willing to get up there and mix

it up. Megatron just has to lay one solid punch

on him, and he's going to punch right through

the back of Mumra's coconut. Not in his supersized

version. I'm pretty sure I've seen him mix it

up. No, I'm saying he's not as, I don't see him

as squishy as he is. But I'm saying Megatron

as a huge giant Cybertronian gladiator robot.

And even if he's not as squishy, he puts that

fusion cannon into Mumra's gut. And of course,

such heroic nonsense. Yeah, boom. He is blown

straight through. Nobody's a fan of the magical

mystical powers in this tournament. Those with

magic are not faring well. Well, it... however

though mumra is pretty smart he does rely on

a lot of tricks and guile so this is where magic

may actually play a factor if he can say fuse

megatron's legs to the ground or something like

that or drain him of power or something like

hell he could blind him he's got magic just make

it suddenly dark and megatron can't see Well,

and the other thing is, not only could he do

that, he could do something to mess with Megatron's

optics, whatever, or trap him or stall him for

a minute, but then he can basically disappear,

and Megatron would not even know where he is,

and he could be a bat flying by, he could be

a fly, he could be a flower somewhere, and Megatron

wouldn't even know it. and then as soon as Megatron

goes by, he can form into his regular self and

have the upper hand. I mean, he is a master of

disguise, and throughout the Thundercats series,

he transformed into a lot of different things.

Well, I actually just had this thought as an

old -school D &D player. There's one type of

sorcerer who has a spell, or I think it's available

to all character classes, and you'll see where

I'm going with this in just a minute, and it's

called Polymorph. You may know it as Transmutate.

What's Megatron made out of? Metal, right? Metal

to mud, you're dead. One spell could take out

Megatron if he was willing to do it, but Mumra

has got an ego. Will he go for the easy win,

or is he going to drag it out? Here's another

thing to think of, and I'm going to piss somebody

off here. If you go to the series, if you watch

Thundercats from episode one all the way through

the entire series, how many times does Mumra

quote -unquote die, and yet he comes back? Yeah,

that's another thing to consider, too. He cannot

be killed. They try to kill him, they try to

do all kinds of stuff, and he is always coming

back, I do believe, and I know you're going to

argue with me, a couple of you, but Megatron

did die at one point, and he did not come back.

I wouldn't call him dead. I'd call him mortally

wounded, but he was reformatted before he died.

Yeah, I mean, they're essentially the same damn

guy. Sorry. I'm not one that adheres to that

theory. Galvatron is a separate character. No,

he's not. No. Because he's got the memories of

Megatron. Yeah, he's got those memories, but

there's even lines that support that they are

different characters. There are lines that also

support that they're the same character. Throughout

the entire movie, he's referencing stuff that

Megatron uses. No, no, I'm talking about in the

series itself. We're not exactly looking at the

series with the strongest continuity here. Anyways,

I'm just saying Megatron has been beaten and

Mumra just can't be beaten. I don't know. A lot

of me still says I should vote for Megatron.

I'm just trying to break this down here. Steve,

what are your thoughts? I know you're a humongous

Megatron fan. It depends on the Megatron, but

I still like the name nonetheless. I do agree

with some of that stuff, but at the same time,

you still have Fusion Cannon. You still have

giant robot squish. I mean, it's kind of hard

to pit the Magic against... I mean, I know both

of them are pretty much hard to kill. If anything.

But... I don't know. I still think Megatron,

with a one -play shot, I mean, he could... I

mean, he can create a freaking black hole with

his Fusion Cannon. I mean... Nomrok can create

a black hole with his Magic. Yeah, but I mean,

all it would take is Megatron to just fire once.

And it would send him out. It boils down to who

gets the smart first shot. It depends on who

wants to monologue first or who wants to sit

there and bullshit and who wants to actually

just take action. Megatron is known for giving

a few too many monologues or lines instead of

just shooting and killing whoever he has in his

sights. Mm -hmm. And the other thing is, make

sure he doesn't get drunk on Energon, because

then he'll just be shooting wildly all over the

place. Well, let's look at this. Who's smarter?

Whose plans were more successful based on their

kind of ratio? I mean, Megatron always involved

Energon. He'd always steal a little bit, and

it wasn't until the movie that he became competent,

when you really think about it. I don't know

who's smarter. Yeah, I mean, Mumra does have

that mystical insight, something Megatron doesn't

have, because that's something, and we're going

to get metaphysical for just a minute. He has

the ancient spirits of evil. Yeah, so he maybe

has an advantage innately built in with allies

that technically it is the same character, but

he's still drawing upon that knowledge of the

ancients. Megatron is drawing upon gladiatorial

combat on Cybertron, plus his own brutal nature.

But I think Mumra's smarter. But Megatron may

be more brutal. Megatron has the bigger ego.

Yeah. He has the need to make it a spectacle.

He has the need to, you know, not just take the

shot when he has it. But, you know, to smile

at the camera and say something witty, to rub

it in the other person's face, to do all these

different things that if done at the inopportune

time, someone like Mumra could take advantage

of. Exactly. Like I said, Megatron likes to brag.

And if Mumra, like I said, if he, depending on

what spells he has available, because I really

wish we could have gone over analysis and compiled

Mumra's spell book. Because I'm pretty sure there's

going to be one spell where he can turn metal

into rust or something like that. Hell, that's

another weakness. Megatron, or Galvatron, quote

unquote, got attacked by that rust monster at

the end of season three, right? So in theory,

Megatron would have the same weakness, which

means he is vulnerable to normal elements when

you think about it. But Megatron, it was more

so Megatron because it was the episode Cosmic

Rust. I am one of the biggest Megatron fans in

the world. I love Megatron. He's one of my favorite

villains in all generations. There are ways to

beat Megatron, whether it be the rust or whether

it be how he gets, for lack of a better term,

beaten in the movie. Mumra never gets defeated.

Yeah. There's always, there's always a way to

defeat them. It's just that they make it. I know.

I'm just saying like, I've never seen mom or

like, he always finds a way back. He is the ever

living. He, he never stays dead. Yeah. He is

like an undead character. Whereas I'm seeing

it where a robot, a machine can be broken down,

can be turned off, can be in a volcano for millions

of years. You know, there is an on -off switch,

so to say, whereas Mumra is the ever -living.

I mean, I'm still somewhat leaning towards Megatron.

I don't want to make it seem like I'm not. But

Mumra, can he be beaten? Even if you do shoot

him or land something, does that beat Mumra?

He's the ever -living. You're going to have to

use magic. It's the only way to keep him dead.

But Megatron's been alive for millions and millions

of years. But he can still die. because technically

theoretically yeah theoretically well his spark

can be extinguished which means he's dead and

that's a technological thing i guess kind of

sort of right but technically sparks didn't exist

back then they could just put in a chip and fix

them okay fair enough fair enough but i'm thinking

but that still relies on outside help mumra will

just regenerate he'll be back it may not be now

maybe 10 000 years from now but he'll be back

Megatron, the right shot to the head, and he's

dead. Yeah, I mean, that was kind of my point.

Autobots or Decepticons, regardless of who it

is, regardless of if it's a Megatron, Optimus

Prime, or anybody, a Transformer can be killed,

can be destroyed, can be offline forever. Whatever

you consider Mummer, I don't know what he actually

is, but can his kind be killed? Well, I think

I would equate Mumra to a primal force where

you sort of have that argument where there's

good, there must be evil. Is Mumra a cosmic force?

At least on Thundera or Third Earth. Well, whatever

the fuck it is. I forget. Is he a primal source

of nature? Can you ever truly kill him? I don't

think so. Neil, we haven't let you talk too much

on this one yet. What do you think on these two

guys? Well, what I was thinking about is, I know

he's Mumra the Everliving, but if we were to

actually consider the fact that he cannot be

killed, then we might as well just cancel the

tournament and hand the finale to Mumra. I just

thought that earlier, actually. Yeah, so I have

to kind of sidestep that and say, well, okay,

he may not be able to be killed, but certainly

he can be defeated in a battle. And that's where

I'm going to give Megatron some points here.

I'm going to have to go back to the fact that

Mumra is squishy and Mumra can... It depends

on how fast Mumra is. I think Megatron's pretty

quick. Remember, he's got the fusion cannon,

he's got the energy star mace, he's got the chrome

-plated mullet. This guy is, like, badass. And

Mumra... He can whip out some spells. Actually,

I was looking at some of his spells earlier.

He can shapeshift. Actually, I don't remember

everything he could do. He could transport. Yeah,

he could transport. But let's think about where

this battle could take place. What if Megatron

grabbed him and then blasted off into space?

What would Mumra do then? Does Mumra need air?

That's true. Or Megatron could just take him

underwater and drown his ass. It's lucky that

Megatron has the ability to, I guess, fly, for

lack of a better term, as a Decepticon, because

otherwise his alt form gives him no mobility.

Yeah, exactly. That's the problem right there,

and that's where Megatron's ultimate weakness

is. Because, as I said before, even if he is

able to get one shot off, like Dodd said... As

soon as he transforms, he's just a gun laying

on the ground. But as soon as Megatron blows

away Mumra, then he's just an energy force waiting

to reestablish a body. Yeah. This is one of those

battles that should be close, and it's not going

to be. Yeah, I mean, we all pretty much know

where this is going to go, which is unfortunate.

Now, maybe if we picked a different Megatron.

Even if we picked a different Megatron, they

would all beat... They would all beat Momura.

However, though, to kind of go back to Neil's

comment, we might as well end the tournament

now. Doesn't Cobra Commander have access to magic

through Cobra? Like, aren't there some mystical

guys on his side? Other than Cobra Law, which

most people would like to swear off like it never

existed. Because you might have access to some

mystical knowledge, but I'm just sitting there.

It would have been interesting to see Skeletor

versus Momra, because they're both the magical

guys, or Cobra versus Megatron. I mean, not really,

because good lord, that's, oh my god. That's

why we have the Dreamwave comics for that. Well,

even in the classic Marvel G2 comic, where Megatron's

badly damaged from the G1, And tricks Cobra Commander

with, you know, Cybertronian technology that

had a virus in it that was unusable but got Cobra

to build him a new body. I mean, it's just that

kind of stupidity. I mean, Megatron's still outsmarted.

Hmm. Well, I mean, any other thoughts on this

battle before we go around and give our votes?

Anybody have another angle that we haven't talked

about? or something they want to bring up? No,

I don't think so. All right, then Blanchard,

what is your vote on this one, Mumra or Megatron?

I know this is a cop -out because I know people

have pointed out, oh, the reflection thing doesn't

happen at the later season, but honestly, if

Megatron was standing right in front of Mumra,

and he saw his reflection, and he shriveled back

to the old mummy. All Megatron has to do is just

fusion cannon to the face, so I pick Megatron.

Camille? Same thing. I mean, once that happens,

then what's Mumra gonna do? He's gonna stand

there at Megatron's feet and go, It's wrong to

kill, and you don't have to be a gun! And then

Megatron would just blow him away with the fusion

cannon. Of course, Mumra would come back, but

he would already have gotten the win by then.

Birdman? I'm actually going Mumra once again.

If he casts the right spell, like I said, transmutate

metal to mud. Megatron is fucked. Yeah. I too

am going with Mumra on this one. I don't know.

I just think he has more options on how he can

win, and I think he's a smarter opponent, and

I think what ultimately happens is Megatron has

the battle won, and his pride gets in the way,

and Mumra... Just crushes him. So I think it's

more of a Megatron heir that allows Momra to

take advantage. Steve, what do you think? I'm

voting Megatron just because he's Megatron. What

a good reason! Well, and all the other reasons

I listed before, so... Okay. Take that shit.

So we're kind of split on both battles. We've

had people sign on each of them. So who will

it be? Will it be Skeletor versus Megatron? Will

it be Skeletor versus Mumra? Or will Cobra Commander

come in and fight one of those guys? What are

your thoughts going into the vote? And before

we talk next week on the finale, Mr. Birdman.

I'm thinking in the finale, it's going to be,

I think it's probably going to be Cobra Commander

versus Megatron. That's what I think it's going

to be. Because if you look at it, there's a lot

of really cool history that's been established

via the comic book. So we could actually see

it if we wanted to reference something. But I

know we're going off the cartoons and stuff.

But ultimately, I really wish it would be Skeletor

versus Mumra. Who knows? That would be really

upsetting. because people would not see that

shit coming. I just think, to me, Megatron versus

Cobra Commander gives us a lopsided finale, whereas

any other matchup, to me, is more even. But maybe

I'm just not giving Cobra Commander his just

dues. TFG1, what do you think about the potential

finale? Or how do you want people to vote, or

whatever you want to... Well, I think the problem

is if it's Megatron and Cobra Commander in the

finale, people are going to be like, oh, I saw

that coming from the very first episode. You

guys are so biased, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, it's not just us saying this

is who the winner is. It's whoever votes on the

website, geekcastradio .com. You know how there's

those people. But it's one of those things where.

Honestly, I would love to see, and I know this

probably will never happen in animation, but

I would love to see G1 Megatron versus Skeletor.

That would be awesome. You know how there's those

campaigns out there that are anti -American Idol,

that it's a campaign to vote for the worst? Right.

A campaign could get started to propel somebody

in this. I'm just kidding. I would like to...

propose we do a Kickstarter and get this entire

thing animated as one long 90 -minute movie.

That would be awesome. That would be so cool.

If I ever win the lottery, here we go. We'd have

to include Serpentor and Krang and all kinds

of other villains as well. It'd be the best goddamn

miniseries on TV. Do you know how popular that

would be? Hasbro, print money. Make it happen.

I'm just saying. Steve, what about you? Thoughts

on the finale? Ways you want it to go? Ways you've

seen it go? How you want people to vote? Whatever.

I definitely see it going in the direction of

Cobra Commander and Megatron. Just because those

are the, I think the, out of this list anyway,

the top two that are the most well -known out

of this entire group that have consistently had

comebacks over the last 25 years? Yeah, I see

that. And if you're going strictly on popularity,

I can see it going that way. I personally, like

Birdman, would think it would be cool to see

Skeletor versus Mumra. I totally think it's going

to be Megatron on the one side. I have no idea

who's going to win between Skeletor and Cobra.

Honestly think that could go either way. I think

it could be Skeletor versus Megatron or Cobra

Commander versus Megatron. To me, though, if

you look at it, and I love G .I. Joe, I love

Cobra Commander, but Cobra Commander to me isn't

even in the top five if you looked at the 16

villains we have. I think Skeletor and Hordak

both beat Cobra. I think Mumra and Monstar both

beat Cobra. I think Megatron beats Cobra. The

closest matchup, and this would have been an

interesting finale, would have been Cobra Commander

versus Shredder. That would have been fucking

cool. Shredder would have kicked his ass. That

would have been a pretty damn good matchup. I

didn't even think Cobra Commander should have

beaten Avenger. So I just don't see how he can

compete with all of these guys. To me, like I

said, I don't even think he's in the top five.

Is he one of my favorite characters? Yeah, but

in battles, he is a weak, pathetic fool that

needs an army. Neil, what do you think about

this stuff? Well, just looking at this... Skeletor

versus Mumra. Hmm. Skeletor, I know he came first,

but he's kind of like the pathetic imitation

of Mumra, so I don't see that going well for

Skeletor. Well, if Mumra beats Megatron, then

you might as well crown him. Yeah, you might

as well just give him a bye and say, you know,

we're going to... You could throw Skeletor and

Cobra Commander in against him. Yeah. But what

if Megatron went up against Cobra Commander?

I know he could easily get the win, but I see

him being arrogant enough to... transform into

gun mode and land in Starscream's hands, but

does Chris Slaughter fire on himself? Hmm. So

that might work against... That's the only scenario

where it might work against Megatron, against

Cobra Commander. Hmm. Yeah, I pretty much think

it's going to be Cobra Commander and Megatron,

and it's just going to be a slaughter. Fusion

Cannon all the way. Mike, your thoughts? Yeah,

pretty much. Everyone thinks Cobra Commander

is going to win this by a landslide. No. No.

Like I said before, the battle I want to see

is Megatron versus Skeletor. I don't think...

Cobra Commander can be Skeletor. I just don't

think, you know, you can say, oh, Skeletor is

an idiot, or oh, he'll, you know, monologue too

much or whatever else, but I just don't think,

unless Cobra Commander cheats, and we allow him

to cheat to have his army, I just don't think

that he's going to beat Skeletor one -on -one.

I agree. Anyone else? Final thoughts? Get it

in while you still can? Persuade people? If you

don't vote my way, I'll kick your ass. That's

a good persuasion. If you don't... Go to the

website first and vote, you dumbass. I'm trying

to find it. Where is it? Oh, Jesus Christ. Mike,

give everybody the information. Quick, before

they tune out. How do people vote? Wait, who's

supposed to be getting the information? Dale.

Go over to geekcastradio .com. At the top of

the site, there is a banner that says 80s Cartoon

Villain Tournament. There is a link that says

Semifinals. Click on that. Yeah, it doesn't work.

That's why. Well, it doesn't work right now.

We're recording it still. It's not live. Oh,

my God. Where am I? All right. Who are you people?

Oh, God. Skeletor has transported. After this

episode is up and online and live, there is a

banner on geekcastradio .com that says 80s Cartoons

Villains Tournament. There will be a link under

the word semifinals. If you click on that, it

will take you directly to the post. All you have

to do is select the combatant you think is going

to win. And then click vote. It's not that hard,

people. It's not our fault. So many people from

Canada are dumb. You can vote in less than five

clicks from when you get to the site. Yeah, exactly.

It takes you five clicks. It takes you less than

ten seconds to vote. But I didn't know it didn't

work during the show. I was going to try and

rig the vote. He's going to get all of Canada

to vote his way. You know what's funny? I can

see the IP address, so... Shut up! Anyway. Oh,

boy. Yeah, this has been a huge train wreck.

It's a villain tournament. What did you expect?

Yeah, at the end of this episode. Need more backstabbing.

Yeah, pretty much. We're going to skip the ad

break this time around. Seriously, any other

quick final, last final thoughts from anybody?

Just make sure you vote, and then make sure you

join us next week when we break down the finale.

Yes, the voting will be open from Friday, April

12th through Thursday, April 18th. And you also

want to tune into the finale so you can hear

some information about future tournaments. That's

right. So thank you for listening to GCN Wars

80s Cartoon Villain Tournament. Catch us next

time when we will be bringing you the finale.

For now, I am TF2NMike with Steve, Neil, Dodd,

and Optimus Solo, and we will... Catch you next

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Psycho man! Astro train just crashed, ladies

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