Transformers Animated Series Finale Retrospective

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Transformation Animation Podcast features Stephen

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And welcome to episode 20, the final episode

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host, D .O .G. and Mike, and joining me is Steve

Megatron. Hello. Hello! Optimus Solo, hello.

Hey! Yeah, that kind of failed, dude. I would

like it hurt. And the late and unprepared Pecan

Court Michael. Hello. Hey, how's it going? It's

going. So do you've been up to optimus solo you've

been kind of like dead in the water for a while

No, I sure haven't I've been pumping out all

kinds of Christmas content at behind the voice

actors comm Watching lots of movies to try to

get as many movies in as possible in 2011 I counted

it and I saw 35 movies this year Of the new ones

that came out in 2011. So, yeah, did a blog for

the top ten movies of the year. Besides pumping

out content behind the voice actors and watching

movies, not a whole lot in the online internet

world. That needs to change in 2012. That's your

New Year's resolution. I'm giving you your New

Year's resolution. You need to be online more.

I'm sorry. What about you, Steve? What do you

put up to? Nothing. No, I finally beat Arkham

City again, but I beat all the side missions

and I have all the extra skins for Batman. So

yes, I got the new Batman incorporated one as

well in there and I pretty much have been taking

over Twig and You know, tweaking over there,

tweaking Decast Radio. What else have I been

doing? Oh yes, I've been doing side jobs. Doing

virus removal on people's computers. Oh, sweet.

I'm doing one as we speak. Nice. What about you,

Mr. Wilson? What have you been up to? Mr. Wilson!

Hey, hey! I just started my vacation. Yes. The

university pretty much shuts down from yesterday

until after Christmas. Or actually until New

Year's. So I'm off work until next year. Sweet.

Yeah, so... My, uh, amount of free time has expanded

exponentially. Which has then been decreased

by all the rims you are not in. All the skies

you've been rimming. All the skies I've been

rimming, exactly. Uh, yeah, well, that was...

Yeah, I'm spending a lot of time playing Skyrim.

But it's a fun game. I like it. And for me, I've

been getting blogs ready for GCR. I'm going to

be syndicating some of the GCR stuff over on

Twig. We're doing this show. Next week, we've

got the Year in Review podcast. I've got two

more Jump the Sharks to get through, and then

that's pretty much it until the first, second

week of January. Got any decorations up on that

house, Mr. Wilson? Oh heck yeah. We are recording

this two days before Christmas and it will be

posted the day after Christmas so Merry Christmas,

Happy Boxing Day everybody. What? Merry Boxing

Day to all. There you go. I'm not Canadian. That's

a Canadian thing isn't it? Yeah. They all have

Christmas? They have Christmas in Canada? What

are you talking about? No, I didn't say that

they didn't, they do, but Boxing Day is a Canadian

thing. Boxing Day is like... It's like celebrating

grandma getting run over by a reindeer. Like

happy Hanukkah, happy Kwanzaa, happy... Boxing

Day? Happy everything, there you go. That works.

So tonight we are going to be embarking on the

final journey for transformation animation podcast

and After this we will be getting into our discussion

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Alright, so we are back and the way that we are

breaking down the finale for Transformers animated

our coverage here on Geekcast Radio Network is

we have several categories overall favorite episodes

Overall favorite characters Best moments from

the series worst moments from the series overall

least favorite characters Overall least favorite

episodes thoughts on the toys which will probably

just be me and Michael talking about that Thoughts

on the almanacs and then we're gonna do the final

thoughts on TFA as a series so Kevin what are

your Overall favorite episodes starting with

me Excellent. I have five. There was five episodes

that I made it easy for myself because I rated

each one, obviously, if you remember, throughout

the podcast. And I had one that got a 7 .5 and

I had four that got eights. So my 7 .5 one was

A Fistful of Energon, episode 23. That was pretty

cool. And there was really no humans in it. Not

the greatest ending in the world, but it was

fun. Lockdown, Omega Supreme, Bounty on Starscream,

it was good stuff. Then my four eights were,

one of them was for This Is Why I Hate Machines.

We got to see Shockwave show his true colors.

We had the whole Ratchet Shockwave showdown,

which was cool. And it was cool to see kind of

like the political side of Cybertron and the

humorous side of Starscream's character, so I

liked that one. That was episode 40. One of my

other number eights was the episode right before

that, episode 39, which was Decepticon Air. You

got to see Alpha Trion, Swindle. They mentioned

the Quintessons and Nebulos and the Coneheads.

It was just a cool episode overall. Then episode

34, Where is Thy Sting? We've got a nice start

to that episode with Jazz and Ultra Magnus. We

had the Wasps slash Bumblebee idea, which I thought

was a pretty cool idea. Only bad part about this

episode was the Jetfire Jetstorm appearance.

So yeah, I liked that episode and then liked

the ending of it. And then my final one was episode

seven, way back from the beginning, The Thrill

of the Hunt. Some cool... Homages with the Hector

Amira's thing I Don't know I just kind of liked

this episode overall probably because there was

no humans, but Those are my five favorites All

right, what about you Steve? What are your overall

favorite episodes? Okay, um Don't laugh there's

nothing funny about this crap Yes, yes there

is, because you're struggling over there. Why

am I struggling? I don't know. Just let him speak,

Mike. I kill you with a spoon. I like the Transwarp

three -parter, which counts as one episode. I

like Predacons Rising, because anything to do

with any type of Beast Wars, doesn't matter to

me if it's in continuity or not, I like it. Like

the endgame saga I Like garbage in garbage out

because you have retgar aka weird L who rules

And the Megatron rising just because he comes

back and kicks the mass Exactly, what about you

Michael? What are your favorite episodes overall

we have time for this? There's a lot. You're

talking about hitting below the belt. I'm just

gonna go down the list. There's only 35 of my

favorites. Hold on. 35 out of 39, yeah. So you

already know which ones are my least favorites

since the last four. Yeah, pretty much. I think

I have a special liking for anything that has

more than one part. So Megatron rising part one

and part two a bridge to close part one and part

two Trans warped has all of three parts and all

of them were awesome End game part one and part

two was really really good especially that final

parting shot The the the exception that proves

the rule here is human error Part one and part

two and you know, I I liked the concept of them

being in a virtual world and then waking up human

but not for two episodes worth. That got a little

bit old. Aside from those, some of them that

I really liked were Elite Guard, where they introduced

Elite Guard. Introduced Ultra Magnus, who was

just a great character. Five Servos of Doom.

Which had lots of ninjas. Which Kevin doesn't

like ninjas. I don't like cyber ninjas. I was

about to say who doesn't like ninjas and Kevin

doesn't like ninjas. Never mind It's a subset

of ninjas I don't like They have them in G1 technically.

I know and I didn't like them then either Well,

yes, I mean well, it's more than just ninjas.

I mean you've got George Takei coming in there,

you know you voicing you'll get your own yeah

i was gonna i was gonna say uh... you'll kiss

on but that's you'll keep trying to sexual character

yes you'll kiss on as they leave it was model

after which right again really really cool they

throw up a picture of the so much or much into

one of the services pretty amazing but uh...

i'll leave it at that for me pretty much the

same thing thirty five out of thirty nine You

cheat and all these things Whatever mr. I'm gonna

list two movies at number seven and yes, I'm

going to cheat because I can't pick Anyway, I

really dug transform and roll out the original

What unquote film that introduced the series?

I thought that was a pretty neat thing Megatron

rising I really liked Sound and Fury. I thought

that was a nice way to introduce Soundwave. It

was a unique way to introduce him. The Elite

Guard, Jazz is just awesome. Agreed. Auto Bootcamp,

I like this for the continuity aspect and seeing

the backstory of Bumblebee and Bulkhead and all

the other bots and just seeing where they came

from. You guys already mentioned a bridge too

close and transwarped. I Did yeah, it's too close

and trans warped. It's not our fault that you

hate the series I just listed five episodes.

I liked anyway Of course for me with trans warped,

you know the first five minutes after that everything

else is gravy But the first five minutes was

the best uh... where is this thing i did like

that one i like to set the car there i thought

that was uh... the unique thing i was a unique

concept of having you know transformers reenacted

nicholas cage movie we have to play nicholas

cage probably sentinel no uh... this is why a

machines i love this one because we actually

get to see More of cyber really that's the one

thing we hardly ever saw in the series You mean

eat even once the elite guard showed up in season

two We didn't really get to see a lot of what

was going on on Cybertron until this is why this

is why I hate machines And of course endgame

for that final parting shot All right, Kevin

overall favorite characters already we got a

top 10 list here I have to give an honorable

mention to Starscream's head though. To start

off the list here. Honorable mention to Starscream's

head. And then you guys are going to disagree

with my first two, but my tenth most favorite

character is Bulkhead. No. I'll just get the

first two out of the way since you're all going

to disagree. My ninth one is Lugnut. No. So I

like those two. I like those two. Some of them

are just kind of side characters, but number

eight, I put Blur, even though he wasn't there

very long. And number seven, I put Retgar. I

thought the scenes Retgar was in were all good.

Even if he was in a couple crappy episodes, his

scenes were good. Number six, I have Ultra Magnus.

He was just badass. Number five, I have Blackarachnia.

I thought she had some of the most... I don't

know complex character development in the entire

show and they actually did a good job developing

her character So like her force you hated when

she cried. Yeah, that's different. That's coming

up later Number four would be swindle He was

just cool. He was way cooler than he was in g1.

He was very cool This is one of the only characters

they did better and animated than they did in

g1 So swindle gets a lot of credit there number

three shockwave number two lockdown Already know

what number one is and of course number one is

jazz What about you Steve favorite characters

um, I would have to say no particular order I

like Megatron. I would have never guessed that

I Like Rengar would have never guessed that I

like blur jazz and I like Ultra Magnus as far

as he looks but he was a little bitch in the

show the problem with Ultra Magnus is he was

very underutilized I mean he was this you know

overall I mean he's basically the Transformers

version of Thor as far as with the hammer and

everything else but he's he's so underutilized

and as I said when we were talking about the

episode where shockwave was gonna finish him

off I was half expecting him to wake up and just

bitch slap the hell out of shockwave which didn't

happen and I was kind of disappointed at that

I mean he is a very cool -looking character when

he is in action he's a very awesome character

but he was just too underutilized fair enough

What else Steve I like shockwave Mm -hmm, just

because same voice actor. Yep direct homage So

yeah, that's just same thing with border. That's

why I like those two Pretty much that's it for

me. I mean I liked prime too, but he wasn't my

favorite Yeah, but yeah, I like pretty much those

and that's about it What about you Michael favorite

characters Well, let's see I like angry archer

and meltdown and nanosec and professor princess

I'm just going down the super villains. That's

to make you guys just to make your eyes twitch

The twitch GI yeah, if you can put in the sound

clip of a GI that would be awesome Actually,

I liked You know, I have to clarify here that

there's some characters that kind of popped in

just for a second Like yoki -tron, you know,

I'm not going to mention those Right because

you know, although some of those are some of

those guest appearances are the best But I really

I have to agree With Kevin that black rachnia

had perhaps the most You know fleshed out background

the most interesting background Yeah, but also

if etch it had a lot of backstory here in a lot

of background and his was very interesting The

skywarp clones all of them I Mean that I just

really enjoy what they have to say This is really

this is really funny swindle And Lockdown, who,

you know, may be the exception is the rule, but

they showed up more than once. Oh yeah. Swindle

popped up a few times, Lockdown popped up a few

times where I really didn't expect him. Which

was kind of like when Starscream had a bounty

on his head. It's like, how did that happen?

Starscream did, you know, try to destroy Megatron,

so of course Megatron's gonna put a bounty on

his head. Several times, yeah. But yeah locked

out anything by Lance Henderson is gonna be awesome.

I Love Lance Henderson's voice. I mean as an

actor. He's pretty cool. He's done a lot of neat

stuff, but As a voice actor, it's always cool

to watch a cartoon and hear him because you know,

it's him I would I would almost say the same

thing about swindle. Oh Yeah, Fred Willard. Yep.

Fred Willard is awesome. In fact, I was watching

TV. This hasn't been like yesterday Today even

I don't know maybe yesterday, but We were watching

all together too much hub now in the morning

Yeah, so hub has these old baby commercials.

Yeah, and he's doing the voice Yeah, he's not

in the commercial, but you can tell it's his

voice. Oh, yeah, and it's like all that is so

Fred Willard How cool is that? Yeah, so that's

that's kind of neat too I'd say lastly, you know,

there's Megatron and I'd have to say that I I

don't want to say I was disappointed with this

Megatron at first because he wasn't G1 Megatron

and he wasn't like the Beast Wars Megatron he

was he's his own entity he's his own person he

has his own personality and the more you hear

from him the more you enjoy his personality oh

yeah you come across you know he's he's very

powerful and yet he has a guile to him Yeah,

yeah, he's smart and powerful and he's manipulative

and it just comes through and some of that is

inferred it's like well, you know, did he really

mean to pit lug nut and Shockwave against each

other like that to get what he wanted. Yes. Yes.

He did. Yes. Yes. He did Say it but it's like

when you think about it you go. Wow. He is the

smartest guy alive But yeah, he's just... I don't

want to say in retrospect, but yeah, he's so

likeable as a bad guy. And more so than maybe

some of the other Megatrons, barring possibly

Beast Wars Megatron. You know, no disrespect

to David Kay and what he did with Beast Wars

Megatron, but I am so glad that they went in

a different direction for Megatron, because we've

had David Kay as Megatron to this point. from

the stores to armada energon and cybertron so

and glad that they went in a completely different

voice direction for major on this time and i'm

very glad in this series that they did not attempt

to get frank welker back because obviously that's

what happened in prime and we'll get to that

way down the line uh... any other favorite characters

for you michael uh... all of them yeah all the

humans they're all my favorite love them all

equally As far as me, what I like about Optimus

Prime is his overall character development through

the series. He is the young leader, he is trying

to atone, not really atone, he's trying to live

up to what Ultra Magnus is and what Cybertronian

leaders of the past are. And he does have a lot

of good character development, because by the

time you get to Endgame, he's ready to lead.

I mean, he is battle ready, he's battle hardened,

he's seen it all, he's died like 20 million times.

You know, I mean, he's ready to run shit. So

that's why I liked Optimus. Sure does he have

his, oh my god, what the fuck leader moments?

Sure he does. Even G1 Optimus had his what the

fuck leader moments. So, uh, Swindle, I mean,

Fred Willard as Swindle, I mean, how mor - how

much more awesome can that get i mean it was

you know it can't you know he could sell your

own mother to you for christ's sake i wouldn't

buy her i like sound wave mostly for the old

mothers that he is with the tape deck stuff i

did like the new take on rat bats and and laser

bigger thought that was kind of cool uh... I

like that his voice is vocoded, but I wish it

would have been Frank and not Jeff Bennett. No,

Frank just would have done Dr. Claw. No, no,

no. Vocoded, dude. Not this Dr. Claw stuff. As

I said in the very beginning of this podcast,

I will always maintain this opinion. This entire

series is Ratchet's story. If you look at every

single episode it starts with ratchet telling

back stories as the old autobot it you know continues

to his past days as a medic you know pretty much

killing rc uh... and then getting her back on

her feet and getting her back to life and everything

else so i really liked all the stuff with ratchet

uh... rodimus prime well it's rodimus and it's

you know it's shut up uh... it's uh... Fuck,

what's his name? Judd Nelson, reprising the role.

I really dug Blitzwing in this. I thought Blitzwing

was hilarious, specifically the crazy face. I

thought that was just so funny. Oh, quit your

sighing over there. I think it was a funny gimmick

the first couple of times. And finally, Blur,

just because of John Machida. And Shockwave 2

is one that I kind of... glossed over, but Shockwave

and Blur are probably the two best... I mean,

I know Blur only really showed up twice, but,

you know, he has an overarching story from season

two into season three, so... I just love that

about them, so... You forgot one. Wait, what?

You forgot one. What'd I forget? You didn't say

anything about jazz. Oh, shit. Well, what is

there to say about jazz that hasn't already been

said? You know I almost wish that I Know they

wanted Phil Lamar to do his own spin and I love

that he put his own spin on it and I love he

has the the jive talk that jazz has But just

hearing his scat man Was awesome, and I almost

wish that there was a little bit more scat man

in jazz Think that would have been really awesome.

So moving on to best moments from the series

Kevin you got anything? Yeah, I do I Liked most

of the scenes on Cybertron. I like the way they

did the scenery. I like the way they did the

backgrounds for most of those shots Minus a couple

those were cool. I liked them. I don't know like

90 % of the flashback scenes except for that

one instance where they Early on did stuff that

made no sense But uh, but most of the like especially

the prime Magnus flashbacks were really cool

As well as a lot of the ratchet ones. So I like

the flashbacks like the scenes on Cybertron I

liked any scene that jazz was in I liked the

I'm gonna pull what you did to me. Do you have

a specific I even wrote that thinking of you

actually I wrote that thinking of you I said

if he can do it I can do it I like most of the

scenes in which we see Starscream's head or Bulkhead's

head without a body. I like Starscream a lot

more in season three especially, his comedic

moments. I liked way back in the beginning when

Lugnut was talking to Megatron in Lugnut's own

head. when he was hearing Megatron talk to him

and that was kind of funny because nobody else

really knew. I like the G1 homages, the more

subtle G1 homages like Kremzik, Hector Ramirez,

and then mentions of like the quintessons and

stuff like that. That was cool. And let's see,

one more best moment. Proud Dying I have written

down here. Oh, you sadist. Sorry, that's all

I got. Prowl is a hero. Yeah That's all I got

guys Why is Tina Turner's song we need a hero

flashing into my head ow because you're lame

shut up I Bet TFA Megatron and kick your ass

I bet your TFA Megatron would get zapped into

a portal and just get stuck there cuz he's a

doll my house What about you Steve any best moments

from the series? Well, let me see. Best moments

of the series, I'd have to say the introduction

of Rekka, the revival of Megatron, Starscream

as just a floating, disembodied head, which was

awesome. I agree. The trash compactor of Blur.

Hey! I didn't say that it was, like, it's not

the worst. It sucks what happened to him. That

was quite interesting You've never seen somebody

get turned into a damn cube before we're gonna

get destroyed Through the power of the cybernetic

space cube aka blur But yeah, those those would

be my prime Wait, I have that written down twice

holy crap What about you Michael favorite moments

of the series Oh, let's see All of them every

last one I Really like the the black arachnia

reveal Yeah, and a lot came a spider when we

found that that's uh, well, you know, they don't

beat you over the head with it completely But

yeah, it's she's a lady one It's like, oh, yeah,

of course she is. But the key part about this

particular episode is that it shines a spotlight

on the root cause of so much of what has gone

on throughout the whole series. I mean, you find

out why Blackarachnia had to leave the Autobots.

You find out why Sentinel Prime hates Optimus

Prime. Yeah, you find out why optimus prime washed

out of the Academy Ultimately, I mean there's

all these different things like dominoes that

fall into place Directly due to what happened

to this episode. Oh, yeah, I completely agree

Yeah, the only other one that came close was

a thrill of the hunt which was ratchets first

flashback and where again it as you mentioned

a lot of what happens in the series Directly

relates to ratchet. Yeah, so yeah a lot of what

goes on afterwards you find out had everything

to do with that episode. But yeah, the Black

Arachnia reveal is, I believe, key. I really

liked the Beast Wars cameo in Predacons Rising,

even though it wasn't really a Beast Wars cameo.

Yeah. You shouldn't read too much into that,

though. Don't read too much into that, that's

right. I liked... I can't remember if this is

Endgame 1 or Endgame 2. but uh what the point

where Megatron actually remembers Optimus Prime's

name and he's like oh you do remember my name

because it was an ongoing thing maybe two or

three times it happened where he's like my name

is Optimus Prime that was um it was after it

was after he said it after he said my name is

Optimus Prime I think so i don't remember it's

been so long since i watched the episode i think

you have to have to have at least the first episode

where he has her he does tell megatron who he

is and then later on that happened at least once

or twice more where he's like okay seriously

what you know you know my name don't you but

at the end at the very end right before he stomps

on him he says okay optimus prime ha you do remember

my name but i like that a lot that was that was

cool that was like all right you have arrived

Megatron knows your name uh and and maybe one

of my favorite shots at least the one that i

would like to see most put into uh like a background

screen for my computer is uh the end shot where

prime has the hammer and the matrix of leadership

and they have Megatron tied up and they're kind

of coming off of old uh Omega Supreme that I'm

pretty sure that's on the site somewhere, but

that's an awesome shot. That's a fantastic shot

And they're excellent way to end the series oh

yeah for me Megatron finally getting his own

body back and Basically just handing the Autobots

their asses in Megatron rising. That was awesome

Jumps out of the tower. He's like haha. Yeah,

that was great Star screams you interrupted my

speech line. I love that The only time I will

have anything good to say about these two characters

I loved it in the Halloween episode when the

bumblebee bat was crawling all over tented bulkhead.

I Thought that was kind of cool. I liked all

the holiday episodes You know seeing blur Just

and just having John Machito back swindle the

same thing I've come around to liking angry archer.

He's the only human villain. I actually like

Anything with jazz anything with Rodimus well

the first five minutes he had anything with shockwave

Except the fact that he killed blur. I don't

like that You know I mentioned earlier the character

development for optimus And all the all the cameos,

you know both in in this is why I hate machines

and at the end of endgame You know you freeze

-frame that you can see Every major transformer

in history so far you can't well for the most

part. Yes, you can I disagree The ones that they

wanted to put in there You just went from everyone

in history. Anyways... I like... I like Kevin

Michael Richardson's version of Omega Supreme

a little bit better than Phil Lamar's. Phil Lamar

did an excellent job, but I just think Kevin

Michael Richardson's voice fits Omega a little

bit better. I think that's pretty much it. Worst

moments of the series. Before I let Kevin go,

let's just get this out of the way right now

the key Nuff said Say anything more about the

fucking key. Is there a particular use of the

key that you find most offensive? I Got one later

on I Felt for sure you were gonna jump on the

magic toilet. Yeah, that is my specific one My

worst moments, unfortunately, I mean, I have

eight of them. Well, I have eight repeating ones

and one separate one, but the problem with the

worst moments for me is that they are all repeated.

It's not something that's done once. Like, my

favorite moments only happen one time. But my

least favorite moments happen throughout the

series, and it's why the series... is not good.

But here we go. First off the key. That is number

one repeated bad moment and specifically when

it's used in a toilet. A toilet with a keyhole.

That is number one. Move that aside. Number two

is all of the different moments that include

what I call transformer speak. We've been over

this but it's just terrible. What does it transform

ups instead of push -ups and But they're actually

transforming when they do it it's so stupid I

like just just trying to change regular everyday

words into transformers words bugs the crap out

of me So that's number two bad moment in the

series This one's cheating but number three is

any moment having a human in it Sorry the series

number even when the lead characters are humans.

Yes Number four is when human traits are given

to Transformers. When they are drinking and sleeping

and crying and doing things that Transformers

would never do. I hate all of those moments.

I loved the good homages, but there was some

terrible ones. A dog named Sparkplug... Yes,

they did because they do have a human named spark

plug too, so but there was just so many bad homages

and especially The Beast Wars reunion at the

end of the contract and moving on they Anything

with the headmaster unit continuously showing

up was terrible, although I did like the transformers

that were just heads walking around I just didn't

like the other end of the equation I thought

he counted as a human character Yeah, that's

why I don't like the headmaster unit at all,

okay I'm saying I like the heads that the heads

of the transformers when they lost their bodies

were all right But not the bodies that had the

headmaster unit on them I'm not talking about

the headmaster person. I'm talking about the

actual headmaster unit the stupid -looking Robotic

head that got put on other people's bodies. That's

what I didn't like it wasn't so much the human

character the anime transformation power -up

sequences Hopefully everybody knows what I'm

talking about The two minutes of stock footage

and we've been over that with the whole lights

flashing in colorful backgrounds instead of backgrounds

and then just two more I Just have written down

here cyber ninja bullshit Especially especially

when they gather all of the pieces at the end

there The pieces of whatever you want to call

it all spark or whatever And then lastly over

matter, yeah that whole thing and lastly sorry

being a robot That's my one of my worst food.

That was the one that wasn't repeated though.

That was just a separate one Those are my least

favorite moments from the series Steve everything

Come on everything with a Human in it a Villain

that's not a transformer a Non -recurring transformer

sentinel prime Hmm what else can I say I hate

about it? I'm heard what's that? Settle prior

was a recurring character. I know but I hate

him anyway That character should have never been

included There was a period in there, and not

a comma. I'm sorry, I misheard that. He was a

P .O .S. Yeah, I think that about sums it up.

Any scene that included those should have been

erased from the series. Yeah. You're no fun.

Alright, Michael, do you have any worst moments?

I'm not going to go with the... You know trail

of worse moments there that happen all the time.

I want to go with specific worst moments keyholes

and toilets Well, I didn't question that I just

nodded my head and said yes that could easily

happen. I Locked my toilet all the time with

the keys Your permission to take a shit you never

know it was to reach your hand back there and

fish around for stuff You'd much rather get a

upper deck I Didn't like it when lug nut became

comic relief I Mean I really liked lug nut I

Don't want to say I like to here's kind of my

least favorite character, but oh I already broke

it up. No We're not going in the least favorite

characters right now, but as far as like the

opening Decepticons He was kind of my least favorite

Decepticon And the problem though is that he

started off as a complete badass, you know, he

was the he was a strong guy he was the the Decepticon

equivalent to Bulkhead yeah, and he had the punch

or kill everything and he was like ha ha he was

just he was just You know overzealous in his

worship of mechatron And that was his only flaw

but as we get forward we introduce new decepticons

like shockwave and and we I don't want to say

lug nut takes a back seat to some of those but

yeah in some cases he does and He's used more

for comic relief than being a badass at that

point And that's kind of I don't want to say

a failure in the writing but it was it was yeah

another failure of the writing uh and then again

this happens around the same time that lug nut

becomes a comic relief and that was uh when shockwave

breaks character uh i mean i i like shockwave

i want to say g1 shockwave i like shockwave the

you know cold calculating bad guy who's who uses

logic above all else you know And I really enjoyed

it when he turned purple, which was awesome.

It was like, woohoo, he's purple. That should

have been one of my fave moments, actually, when

he attained his true colors. True colors. I love

them. But, uh, that's why I love you. Shut up,

Steve. That wasn't even Steve that said anything.

Oh, was it? No, it was you, wasn't it? I didn't

say shit. That wasn't Steve that was you Michael

Yeah, that's you right there That's just the

first one anyway, so shockwave breaks character

I digress shockwave at some point shockwave goes

from calm cool calculating to you know, kind

of knocking over Lugnut and laughing at him.

I'm going, ha ha. You know, and that, I want

to say it only happened in one scene, but it

bothered me to the point where it was like, that's

not a shockwave. And that, yeah, I didn't like

that. I didn't like it when Sari found out exactly

what she was and why she was there and didn't

tell anybody. That is Megatron's I know exactly

why I'm supposed to be here Why well, I'm sorry

the series just ended I'm Megatron's kid Exactly.

I'm Megatron's toenail He wanted a robot girlfriend

He made a robot girlfriend and made a robot baby

Lastly, uh, I didn't like it when Bill Fagerbeck

he died I thought he died. I don't know where

the hell I heard it or what made me think this

Okay, we explain this to you in that episode

died the character he played on that television

series died The actor did not die Thought he

died though, and I was like it's a shame that

this talented wonderful human being who did this

character We all love died so tragically and

young And I didn't know he didn't actually die

But he didn't he's not yeah, that was like my

least favorite moment I don't know. Least favorite

moments. Oh, okay. We're there. I didn't know

if he was done yet or not. Check it out. Oh god.

Holy cow. Everybody always complains that Bumblebee

is no longer a Volkswagen. It's not G1 Bumblebee.

It's not Dan Gilvazan. You know. I didn't complain.

Well, what I mean by everybody is all the dumbasses

on TFW that don't know what the fuck they're

talking about I see remember you being the first

one that said I hate this show. This is all crap.

That's not bumblebee Well, yeah, but I've learned

since then so but at least I gave reasons why

I hated it I didn't just say oh, I hate this

cuz it's not g1 Well, it's not necessarily just

about g1 Well, for most people it is. But anyway,

you know, Bumblebee can be whatever alt mode

that you want him to be. I don't care if he's

a Camaro. I don't care if he's a Mustang. I don't

care what kind of car he is. But Bumblebee's

characterization in this was not lovable, was

not fun loving, didn't feel like he had anything

to offer a friendship to Sari for. He is loyal

to her. That's about it. His voice, I'm sorry

Bumper Robinson, his voice is basically Beast

Boy and I hated Beast Boy's voice so... I was

gonna say he was Beast Boy. Bumblebee's voice

sucks. And this version of Bumblebee is doing

stuff that you wouldn't think a Bumblebee would

do. Are we talking about moments or characters?

No, I'm talking about... but basically... Can

you note down a particular moment? The moment

is Bumblebee's horrid character. Anytime he interrupts

Prowl, when Prowl is trying to meditate, anytime

he decides that he needs to open his mouth, pretty

much. And bullshit comes out. Exactly. Anything

with Professor Princess, that bitch does not

need to be in this series. Ever. Ever. So we're

just talking about characters? No, I'm talking

about moments. He's talking about them crazy

bitches. Uh, Bulkhead as a human, the entirety

of that scene was just god -awful. Not even taking

the effect. I don't like Bulkhead in general.

And Michael already mentioned this, but I'll

mention it again. The fact that they start storylines

and never get to fucking finish them. That was

a pretty important chunk of storyline, to be

honest. Yeah, it was. You know, why reveal that

she's a robot and then say, oh, we're not going

to tell you the rest of it. Well, I'm going to

tell you the rest of it because Ezra pulled the

plug because they would rather put more into

this shit movie called Revenge of the Fucking.

Anyway, moving on to the least favorite characters.

Kevin, what are your least favorite characters?

OK, I got another top 10 list. Least favorite

characters. For number 10, this is the one I'm

cheating on, but. I really don't like the main

characters. There's very few main characters

that stand out. And it's not a good situation

when the cameo and guest appearances are better

than the main characters. So I have to give one

spot to the lack of cool main characters. Number

nine is all of the seeker clones. Just didn't

care for the clones. I did think there was some

creative dialogue and some writing there that

was good, but I just didn't care for the idea

of seeker clones. Aww. Sorry. I did like the

dialogue with them though. Number eight, Prowl.

Fucking bastardized with my favorite G1 character.

Moving on. Seven Blitzwing. The voice work here

was atrocious. Probably the worst voice work

in the entire show for Blitzwing. I just... Even

when he was fighting with himself. Yeah, it just

was bad The voice the voices were bad. It didn't

get old pretty quick Sentinel prime is number

six and it's not his fault. That's how they wrote

him but They wrote him as a very dislikable character

and so I disliked him Number five red alert.

I know that's kind of cheap because that wasn't

one scene, but you don't like the gender bending

No, no gender bending. I apologize to all of

you, but number four is Yoko Tron Cyber ninja

bullshit number three is strika Yeah, we talked

about that earlier um number two jet fire slash

jet storm i think people can agree with me on

that one are we going in order of horribleness

because i think that should have been number

one no yeah that was number two so it is almost

the worst character um only beaten out by number

one human villains and sorry all of the human

villains and sorry now i didn't mind the other

human characters i didn't mind uh foul zone and

um Sumdak and Some of the more some of the just

general human characters, but the human villains

the cheap like kitty human villains And then

sorry the human slash robot that gets my number

one spot I Was gonna say cuz she's not really

a human no, but she doesn't count portrayed as

one so she counts Steve least favorite characters

Okay Sentinel prime To humans non -transforming

villains the team Proble yes Yeah, bumblebee.

You're just kissing up at this point bullshit

lug nut Is that it Yeah, everyone they introduced

in the first episode hates them all What about

you Michael least favorite characters Well I'm

not gonna go out and say oh I hated all the main

characters cuz that's just rude Why are we here

if we don't like the main characters? Now we

realize what we really don't like Three episodes

into it and I said, God damn, is Optimus Prime

hateful? No, but seriously, hold on a second,

seriously, go back and review the part of this

episode that we just recorded where we listed

our favorite characters. Three people said Blur,

we had multiple people say Rekgar, Ultramagnus,

Black Ragnia, three people said Swindle, three

people said Shockwave, three people said Jazz,

none of those are main characters. Yeah. I'm

just saying. i really don't know the main can

be they become mainstays and they have more than

two episodes in it but yeah the original five

autobots or six however the hell many autobots

there are a house and we did not name it we did

not i said i said a ratchet and i don't know

but we have a will be you and mike said ratchet

but nobody was saying bumblebee nobody was saying

bulkhead we had megatron i'll give him the credit

and i said optimist for his character development

as one person Yeah, well, I thought optimus was

implied. I mean no not just is never implied

a pro I really think pro should have had more

backstory before they killed them off, but okay

Anyway anyways anyway My least favorite characters

would have to be I'll start off with Grimlock

because I know that's gonna be the most controversial

uh... uh... uh... i think we've had this conversation

before in the past but i don't watch were misused

yeah it's not so much that at least for me it's

not so much that i don't like the dot about in

the series uh... what i don't like is the misuse

of them well it was it was a constant throughout

the series as far as introducing groups of characters

and doing nothing with them i mean we'll we would've

been really cool to see the whole group arm with

ron and us and all those guys again you know

if you see any of us are them once we saw the

downabouts misused i mean that some places introducing

characters introduce characters and they had

no plans of doing anything with them yes i i

don't know i mean he'd show up and he wouldn't

say anything important and then wander off and

and the rest of them didn't say anything at all

and one of them tried to be a dog so i was grimlocked

i i i really think that he deserved better from

this series agreed uh didn't like uh safeguard

a jet fire jet storm uh did i i i don't know

i can't understand a damn word they say maybe

that's And they look stupid. Why? Yeah, and they

look stupid, and they transform horribly, and

the combined mode is just crap. And especially

when you look, you'd have to break out the AllSpark

Almanac, if I can get it out of my noggin here.

The second volume actually has a picture of what

Safeguard should have looked like, or at least

what Safeguard was meant to look like in Transformers

Hero. or heroes uh and it it looks at least twice

as good as what we got maybe not good enough

to actually be built as a toy or as a included

as a character because it's still kind of a lame

concept but you know i think that yeah that character

should have been scrapped with heroes because

it was just so bad and once they found out that

they couldn't do it the way they wanted to they

should have just scrapped it and wrote somebody

else in But I just didn't like it I didn't like

Waspinator I Didn't like it at first but I grew

on me No, I I mean at first it was like wasp

in auto boot camp and you know He's he's kind

of a dick and he's mean the bumblebee and it's

like oh It's anti bumblebee and you start seeing

the possibilities here and then at the end You

know, he says his first word is waspinator and

he's like, you know He says something like I

want to get revenge on bumblebee and in what

may or may Could have been misconstrued as something

close to Scott McNeil's voice Maybe that's my

biggest gripe because it wasn't Scott McNeil

But you know, I mean they threw him in there

a little bit later and it was kind of you know,

he kind of not great episode and then they transform

wasp in the waspinator and at that point it's

like hey maybe they'll have Scott McNeil do the

waspinator voice and no it wasn't it wasn't Scott

McNeil at that point either and I yeah I just

didn't like that character I can see that I can

see not liking the change I felt bad for him

because the writers hated him so much yeah She's

like, get in that pod so I can torture you and

he goes, no thank you. And it's like, yeah, I

feel bad for hating you now because you're gonna

die horribly. First you got framed, now you're

gonna be mutated. This cakehead's a break. Yeah,

Waspinator has plans. I don't know, I mean, I

wanted to like, there's potential there. More

potential than even Grimlock, you know? But...

First of all, I couldn't get over that it wasn't

Scott McNeil. And two, I just didn't think they

used that character very well. And lastly, I

didn't like Blackout. And again, it's one of

those blink if you miss some characters. He was

only in there for half a second, but it's a character

they based off a movie character. Yeah. And that's

enough for me to hate him right off the bat.

Mean yeah, he's a giant helicopter. That's cool,

right, but you know you look at his head They

didn't they couldn't even make a head for him

because he's a movie character and movie characters

don't have heads So he's got like I think give

me your face Optimus Prime would disagree with

that because he does have a head He just claws

his shit until his face comes off No, I mean

it was literally it's like the a star with eyeballs

Yeah on his chest And that's his head. It's just,

it's really bad. Uh, and yeah, I mean, granted

in the movie, the first movie when blackout actually

transforms, that's the first transformation you

see. It's totally cool. And he lays waste to

an army base, which is awesome. But here it's

kind of a, you know, a knockoff of, uh, a Bay

former. Yup. And it just it doesn't make me happy

Not like strika makes me happy. Oh god, it kind

of striking kind of made me Equally and oppositely

unhappy or happy as it made Kevin unhappy It

must be All right, it's like an inverse reaction

yeah, so yeah as much as it caused Kevin it caused

me happiness if that if that makes sense But

I mean the thing of it is that she's all in two

scenes and for it being an homage to Beast Machines

It's not you know it it is Tara doing the voice

and what and I love Beast Machines, so I should

like it, but I just don't It's like it's like

when you see cyclone is it's like fuck yeah cyclone

is you know and Yeah, I mean that made me happy.

It was cool and again. He's blinking you miss

him, and you never see him again, but It was

so cool. More characters thrown in there just

to throw in there. Yeah. Just to throw in there.

Just for you to go, wow I like this series again.

I'm gonna watch and see if they ever show up

again. And then just be disappointed. Exactly.

You're so disappointed. At the end it's like,

they never show Cyclotus again, man. Where's

Hotshot? Shouldn't there be a whole episode of

Hotshot? What happened? To appease the Unicom

trilogy, people. Sadly. Yeah, so I mean there's

So yeah, so there's there there's that but I

mean that pretty much rounds out my least favorite

characters But I mean that's not to say that

I didn't like the main characters. Yeah, not

to beat that dead horse, but Alright so for me

I Know not actually uh... my overall least favorite

characters as i said before ball being i mean

i've pretty much stinker party he has one intelligent

moment in the entire series when he decided not

to unplug our city other than that he sucks about

that in the first episode where he dives into

the van i'm not sure that was not an intelligent

moment He was being heroic Yeah, and failing

miserably I thought that was pretty heroic They

could have picked Any other Mainstage transformers

character whether it's from comics whether it's

from g1 whether it's from Beast Wars whether

it's from whatever To have that fifth place on

the team Yet, they created this dumbass bulkhead

main character shut up could've was springer

in there that would've been great would've been

great let's not go there actually i think in

season 4 they had intended to bring in uh...

ironhide and that would've been fine but starting

off the series a character that they created

for the series no uh Prowl again, I think maybe

I would have liked it shut up I think I'm maybe

would have liked Prowl a little bit more if they

had gone with the original white design and not

the black design that they actually ended up

with that I believe would have been more of an

insult because a lot of people I mean Kevin yeah

a lot of people say oh it's not really Prowl

because he's more of a hound personality well

Well, no, I was actually thinking how was the

Hound and Mirage it's a combination. It's a mashup.

Okay. Oh granted, right? Granted so I'm thinking,

you know, maybe maybe if you would have liked

him better if you were green although a green

Police motorcycle would make that much more sense.

I would have liked him better if he didn't exist

It's where the end he didn't One of the reasons

why I don't like Prowl is at the very beginning

of the series he's Pretty much forcing and throwing

his beliefs around on everyone It's Monday morning

10 o 'clock don't answer the door they're gonna

come anyway and knock on your door uh... we are

there the other characters like lug nut may get

it should have they should have used astro train

with blitzwing i hate lug nut like uh... i think

astro train maybe should have showed up as part

of team char i think you're there somewhere you

just missed that would have been awesome uh...

yeah if they like get rid of blackout put in

astro train that would have been epic yeah that

was that we get to see him Pretty much all the

humans but specifically now second professor

princess they both suck and the last one which

this is no surprise to anyone That fucking snowplow

the only good thing about Sentinel Prime was

his Cybertronian Armored vehicle alt mode everything

else about that character. I have no remorse

for him. He basically made his own bed and he's

gonna sleep in it now because he is a giant fucking

douchebag and i get that we're supposed to you

know love to hate this character but he was so

just oh god i wish they would have never put

it in so unlikeable can we rewind the recording

to when you just said that uh... when we went

to your least favorite characters i said they're

all gonna be main characters and you said no

they're not and then you rattled off all main

characters uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...

uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...

uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... all right

here's not a main character all the kids who

make fun of sorry with the exception of daniel

even though he makes fun of her as well but i

mean all of the children in the series that was

done Didn't like that at all I don't appreciate

your ruse my what your clever attempted to deceive

me Overall least favorite episodes For me, pretty

much anything that isn't listed in my favorites.

So, pretty much the last four episodes of the

series. You know, Three's a Crowd sucked. Nature

Calls sucked. You know, there's... Velocity?

Velocity was alright. And Sorry Now Is Home.

Yeah, there's... That's the four I picked! Anyway.

Alright, so, Kevin, what are your least favorite

episodes? All right, well I was trying to come

up with five like I did for my most favorite

But I had to have six so I apologize I had two

that I gave three out of tens and that was velocity

episode 21 pointless racing episode and Episode

27 sorry no one's home Yeah, those are both terrible

episodes, so I gave them threes then it got worse

then I had two twos One of which was total meltdown

I don't need to say anything more. And the return

of the headmaster. And the least... Well, the

most terrible episode in the series would be

NanoSec, which got a 1 out of 10. And Human Air

Part 1 and Part 2 got a 1 out of 10. See, I seem

to remember you saying Nature Calls was really,

really bad because they shouldn't go camping.

Think I gave it like a four so it didn't quite

make the worst of the worst So velocity sorry

is no one home total meltdown and turn of the

headmaster human error and nanosec What about

you Steve worst or least favorite episodes Least

favorite episodes yeah ones you just can't stand

Okay, nanosec Headmaster. Return of the Headmaster.

I think those are pretty much the main three

that I really can't stand. Right. I can tolerate

the other ones, but those are the three that

I really can't stand just because of who's in

it. Yeah. Alright Michael least favorite episodes

Yeah, I think I already covered that I Didn't

like velocity. I didn't think that that pushed

along the story at all They could have possibly

Reused these characters. I mean throwing them

in somewhere. I Don't know anywhere I mean technically

they introduced blur, but they didn't say this

is blur Right. I didn't think it was blur Because

he didn't transform. It wasn't so much later

where he go. Oh, the blue racer is blur I didn't

like sorry. No one's home. I I didn't like home

alone the movie at all and that basically, you

know kind of biased my opinion on this show I

Didn't like nature calls. I kind of had You know

again the same as velocity I kind of had the

feeling that that this was a throwaway Just really

no reason to do this I mean they may have Uncovered

Megatron's body toward the end as a as a barnacle

monster but yeah, I mean I I Think they could

have found a better way to do that than to wrap

a crappy episode around it And I didn't like

threes a crowd I mean I It's like I can see where

you wouldn't like the headmaster at the headmaster

unit but now we take a headmaster unit and a

forklift and An all spark piece and and make

up another character out of it You know and sadly

it's a character that's not for other construct

icons Right. So yeah, so that kind of bothered

me. You know, and all he does is dance around

saying, you got a problem? You got a problem?

Yeah, I had a problem Just was as thrilled with

this one Yeah, and you know, it would have been

different if they had after that episode if they

had wrapped it up with Look, they combine or

look Three more headmaster headmasters or three

more construct icons, you know, that would have

been cool. But You know, no, they didn't they

end up with Scrapper on an island with a beard

and a dog And a soccer ball named Wilson I Just

yeah, I don't know. I think that was just a failure

didn't like what they did with that at all But

there's the well I said I disliked you know four

out of the 39 or I liked 35 of the 39 So those

are the four that I disliked. Yeah Now this next

section is probably just gonna be Michael and

I Because I don't think Kevin really has any

interest and I know Steve doesn't thoughts on

the toys The toys overall were great You know

safeguard is definitely for children. It's not

for a collector All the repaints that they did

I thought were pretty cool the Megatron deluxe

mode the Cybertronian Megatron deluxe mode that

sucked I wish there were more leader class figures

I Think you know that was kind of underutilized

leader class bumblebee. No No, no, no, I mean

like leader class Starscream, leader class Blitzwing,

that doesn't rip my thumbnail off, thank you

very much. I would have preferred to have seen

a leader class Omega Supreme. Oh yeah, that would

have been awesome. Or an Ultra class, I think.

Yep, that would have been awesome. Supreme class,

if you can call it that. The shockwave repaint,

the purple repaint was an awesome, awesome toy.

I like the blur toy obviously Rodimus and RC

and all that stuff. I wish we would have gotten

some of the stuff that we hadn't. What about

you Michael? Overall thoughts on the toys? What

I liked about almost all the toys, I mean without

an exception, is the amount of personality they

put in. I mean if you look at like Bumblebee,

he's got that smirk. He can do all the poses,

very posable figures, he can do all the poses

from the show. A lot of characters just, they

just exude the personality that they portray

on the show and they mold that into the face

and in some cases even into the repaints. So

I like that I liked the fact that they made multiple

size classes Yeah, I mean some people don't like

the activators But those things they're too small

for me. Oh, you know I again, you know, we can

go back to the to the Toy episode for this but

you know, I like the fact that they were easy

to transform and they were small You don't want

to have to buy five or six repaints of the Voyager

class figures. You know, like Starscream. They

could have made a Voyager class Skywarp and a

Voyager class, I don't know, Dirge. They did

make Voyager class Skywarp. Maybe I'm thinking

of Thundercracker. Yeah, that's right. All right.

So yeah. So, you know, basically what I'm saying

is there's these repaints that you expect to

see. Right. And or you would like to see. and

uh slight like the secret jets you know and you

don't want to spend twenty twenty five dollars

for each one well you can get these smaller ones

for five bucks or six bucks or whatever the price

point was at the time to a lesser extent you

can say the same thing about the legends class

figures but they really didn't do much with the

legends class figures i mean the activators technically

were i mean even though they had the gimmick

of the activation The activator the activators

were technically the legends class figures for

animated not no not really I mean there are legends

class figures there's a there's an optimus and

a prowl and a bubble be in a Starscream Actually,

I thought there was Yeah, there's a ratchet there,

too I'm kind of peering into my cabinet see what

I can see here But no, I mean there could have

been more Think at the time there were a lot

more movie style legends class figures. Yeah

But yeah issue the movie legends drowned out

anything that animated tried to do. Yeah Honestly,

I could have done without the legends for animated.

I don't I don't particularly like them I would

much prefer to see more activators The activators

that they were coming out with especially some

of the repaints were, you know questionable.

Oh Yes. Well, I mean You know, like the Grimlock

repaint. It's neat, but eh, you know. They have

the Lockdown repaint. That was a Bandit Lockdown

or something. Yeah, that was just dumb. Yeah,

it's like, why? Where's my white repaint of Soundwave?

Why can't I have that? Something that relates

to the show. Where's my... Galvatron repaint

of Megatron, you know things like that that would

have been cool to see Yeah, but I mean I liked

the toy line I I Didn't feel at any time when

you know as I was buying them. I didn't feel

like god I could skip this Right, you know, you

know, it wasn't like that at all for me It's

like I was actively hunting for these figures

and some of them were really hard to find. Oh,

yeah Well, you know you had to go back go in

the back room of Target and steal a bunch of

them. So exactly Yeah, no, I mean literally I

had to like go hunt for them where I should have

been hunting exactly. Yeah Steve or Kevin do

you guys have any? Just like one note thoughts

on the toys. I know you guys don't really pay

attention to the toys But did you guys want to

say anything about the toys? The only reason

I didn't buy Couldn't buy any of the toys are

probably one of the only lines of transformers

toys I've never bought a single one is because

they look like transformers animated characters

Sorry, I like my toys to look a little more sophisticated

But you bought the movie toys. No, I have a couple

That, no, that purple animated shockwave is probably

the single most sophisticated toy that Animated

Line ever put out. I know they don't look like

they're for little kids. Oh, that leader class

Ultra Magnus? That's a great toy. I don't know,

I didn't see all of them. I saw the ones that

I saw on the shelf the most and that turned me

off enough. Oh, like the oil slicks that clog

the shelves? Yeah. Nobody wants that toy. What

about you Steve um Well, I bought didn't buy

any because of money issues Right for the most

part. Otherwise, I would have had maybe the Megatron

Ultra Magnus probably prime just because I like

having a you know, a couple of each Yeah, so

But yeah, I'd have to say money was the main

issue for me Alright, so now we're gonna do a

couple of quick thoughts on the Jim Sorensen

Bill Forrester Transformers animated all spark

almanacs Kevin have you seen these at all? I

mean have you even you you've never seen them,

okay? Steve where do you want to start with just

some general general thoughts not wow that was

weird general thoughts on the old general thought

shut up not genital shut up is not i said he

likes that word yet general thoughts would you

like to hear them x's down there i knew he was

going to do that steve general thoughts on the

almanacs um... i'd have to say overall that it's

it's uh... pretty neat seeing some of the alternate

styles or directions that things could have gone

in and in some of them I wish they would have

taken up the alternate and then some of them

I'm glad they didn't. So I mean there's a lot

of nice features in the books themselves that

kind of help understand the show a little bit

more. Yeah. What about you Michael? I think these

are great books. They're fantastic resources.

I Liked the second one a little more than I liked

the first one. I Mean the first one is awesome

again. It's a great resource a lot of fantastic

art in there But the second book the second volume

Really answered some of my questions about season

four that I had It showed a lot of images of

prototype toys showed a lot of you know, the

repaints that never happened and I I Just found

it a lot more interesting than stuff that I already

knew of Right. I mean there's a lot of creativity

going into both books This is really well written

and I really enjoyed both of them. But the second

one was a bigger treat Than I thought it was

going to be and I kind of wish I had bought it

sooner Because I mean you said oh, we're gonna

have an episode on and I was like fine. I'll

buy it But yeah, I wish I had gotten this sooner.

It was really great Yeah, they are really great

art books and it's an insightful journey into

what transformers animated was I mean you have

four words written by Derek J Wyatt and and Was

the other one written by? Matt Youngberg You

know you've got all the little ends and outs

of what season like little things that you might

have missed watching the series like Wyatt toys

or you know swindles Fact sheet of what you know

his his journal of who ordered what and who owes

what and all this and all that the the second

volume has Yeah, his ledger. The second volume

has a lot more to offer as far as the potential

Season 4 stuff, what could have happened, the

look of making the resin models and the toys

and all that, and it's just very, very awesome.

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So we are back and... Kevin is still with us.

We haven't kicked him back to Cybertron. I don't

think he's going back there anytime soon It was

cold and dead and there was no Golden Age, right?

Just wasn't entertaining enough at Cybertron

on Cybertron. It was disappointing So final thoughts

on Transformers animated as a series for me Transformers

animated is a nice departure from the crappy

bullshit that we get in the unicorn trilogy It

does have its issues. Sure but it's a nice take

on the Transformers. I thought it was a nice,

different way to look at it. And one of the things

that people, now that I hear them mentioning

is, oh, I don't like the anime style -ish of

it. Well, the thing of it is, is the art direction

and the anime style of the animation, the art

direction is coming from Derek J. Wyatt, who

before this worked on Team Titans, which that

show is heavy anime. Even more anime, yeah. Yeah,

yeah. That's not a good thing, folks. No, it's

not. I like the series. I thought it was great.

You know, TFA has its moments, has its awesomeness,

it has its down points. Overall, I still can

enjoy certain episodes. So what about you, Kevin?

Final thoughts? I mean, there's a handful of

good episodes. There's a handful of good characters.

The voice work, for the most part, minus a handful

of characters, is pretty good. I mean, so there

are good things about it. It has the huge downside

of the actual overall look and style, which most

people can't get by. And it's always been said

that if you can get by that or get used to the

style, that there's some great writing and great

stuff in there. But I can tell you that that's

a lie. That's just not true. No, even if you

get past that, you will still be left with a

shitty ass written show. But overall, I will

put it ahead of the Unicron Trilogy, even though

I have not seen the Unicron Trilogy in its entirety

because it's so bad. Trust us. We are not lying

to you when we say Armada and Energon suck. It

boils down to this. Beast Wars and Beast Machines

are light years ahead of this. No one should

argue otherwise. Transformers Prime is way better

than this, even only through one season. Oh,

really? Yes, G1 is way better than this. I can't

agree. So those shouldn't even really be in the

argument. Those four, Beast Machines, Beast Wars,

Transformers Prime, and G1, are in a league of

their own. So what it comes down to is, is Transformers

animated better or worse than RID, and is it

better or worse than the Bay movies? I don't

count the movies because those are live -action.

I mean, I'm just saying in the transformers TV

movies life franchise, whatever I don't know.

I'd have to go back and watch all of rid But

honestly, I would put this one in the Bay movies.

I might even put the Bay movies ahead of this

Wow There's something wrong with you in that

instance. I know I mean those are the three you

have the four that are way above these wars machines

prime and g1 They're on a level different level

then you have the Bay movies RID and this in

the middle group and then you have the Unicron

trilogy at the bottom. Where you put them in

those groups is up for debate and you can have

your opinions but there's three separate groups

of Transformers shows slash movies. There's a

top middle and bottom and this is in the middle.

Steve? I wouldn't say it's the best series. It's

not the worst. I'd say it's somewhere in the

middle. I would rank it better than RID or the

Armada. Energon, Cybertron. Did you watch R .I

.D.? I watched all of them. Okay. So I can make

that statement, whereas Blanchard cannot. Oh,

I've seen a couple episodes of R .I .D. A couple

episodes doesn't constitute having seen it. Oh,

yes it does. No, because you could watch a couple

episodes of Transformers animated and think it's

great. Or you could see a couple and think it's

the worst. Anyways. Hence why I like to transformers

animated before we started doing this I saw a

couple it was fantastic and then three seasons

later. You're like, oh my god Don't make me do

that again pretty much I Really enjoyed the series.

I'm one of those few people apparently that can

get past the human characters. They can get past

the tweaks that they made from the G1 counterparts.

I actually enjoyed this more than I enjoyed Beast

Machines. Blasphemy? No, no, Beast Machines,

while a continuation... of Beast Wars, which

Beast Wars, honestly, is probably the best written

cartoon series ever. It's in its own league,

to be honest. But Beast Machines did not continue

that. The characters continued, but honestly,

were they the same characters? No. They were

written by people who had no respect for the

original characters or the original series. Who

didn't even watch the original series and only

think about it. I mean, there's there's no way

you can carry on characters like that It was

a dark series and it had its moments, but overall

wasn't that great disagree Animated dude if you

had to put him in order, you know It's like,

you know, you you've got beast wars up at the

top and you might have like energon at the very

end And from my money, Beast Machines is toward

the end. And this is closer to the top. You are

on drugs. And honestly, I might even, if I had

to place this in a continuum, I might even put

it ahead of G1. Mainly because, mainly because

the characters here are similar enough to G1

where, oh hear me out here, they're similar enough

to G1 where it's like, hey you got that G1 goodness

going on, but there's a story arc here which

G1 never had. There's a story arc in Transformers

Animated? Yeah, several. Several that are never

finished. Which make them the same as one -off

episodes. Well, you know, you've got, like, that

whole Ratchet Omega Supreme story arc. You've

got the whole... Well, there's an overall story

arc in G1, too. Well, there's a story arc in

G1? As much as there is in Animated. No, in G1,

there's the overall idea. There's good guys versus

bad guys. But each episode... You have Megatron

Optimus feud until it climaxes in the movie,

and then you have the Rotomus Prime picking up.

That's all over arcane story. It's not a story

that's good, guys.