Transformers Autocracy Review

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inside the pull bag welcome back to the autobotley

august coverage of idw publishings transformers

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my god that is he wants it pay for a better co

-hosts. Don't look at me You get what you pay

for in terms of quality. Yeah. Hey. You know

I can just leave anytime. Well, I was going to

say this is bad comedy. Speaking of bad, we're

reviewing our talk right now. Oh, come on. It's

not that. We'll get into it, but yeah. So we

are here continuing on with. Autobotlyaugus as

I said, we had the Titans return which capped

off the two main ongoings for IDW. So we're going

back five years in time to Transformers Autocracy,

which is written by Chris Metzen and Flint Dilley

along with Livia Remendelli on art for the entire

run. Had no preconceived notions of this I knew

of this I knew like once I heard primus or not

front on privacy Once I heard monster monstrosity

was coming. I'm like ooh I'll look into this

and I because I never actually looked into autocracy

at first I'm like ooh, I'll keep up with that

and whatever and I never did and here. We are

you know Four or five years later getting to

it in this episode so autocracy This was released

as a web series for free by the way and eventually

sort of collected and sold. Yep. So it's very

short individual chapters if you were to break

it up that way. Yeah. So I mean ideally you want

it in trade. Yeah and that's okay so four months

ago when we did autobotly april and did all the

main idw stuff with not rid and and more than

meets the eye i was thinking of doing another

transformers month at some point we're gonna

probably do Star Wars stuff in December so Decepticon

December wasn't gonna happen so I'm like oh I

can do another Autobotly month and I looked at

various things of what I already had of Transformers

stuff in my Comixology library so stuff I didn't

have to buy additionally and I could not believe

I had already had the autocracy and monstrosity

trade the only thing I think I ponied up dough

for was primacy which I have that in trade as

well so I was surprised that I had almost all

three of them. Yeah, this series is five years

old and for someone who didn't read it back then

and five years later, I kind of enjoyed it. I

mean, I'm used to digital type issues, the shorter

chapter type stuff, because I used to read the

Batman Beyond DC stuff, the Batman Beyond Universe

and Unlimited and all that stuff when it was

digital chapters. I forgot how fast the digital

chapters actually read. This is a pre -war Cybertron.

The Decepticons at this point are a terror cell.

The Autobots kind of don't exist. Mean not in

the later form. Yeah old Autobots Zeta Prime

is the leader, but he's kind of douchebag see

So just to get straight to it originally this

was not in continuity and As I go through, I'm

going to point out some of the major problems

with the fact that it's now in continuity. I'm

not even going to bother pointing out all the

times characters meet that they shouldn't have,

because that's kind of pointless and very minor,

but I mean... So when you say that this is in

continuity now, you mean all three chapters,

all three series? Autography, monstrosity, and

primacy. At the very least, autocracy is now

in continuity. I mean, there's references to

monstrosity in some of the later books, but it's

not complete, so you can almost kind of pick

and choose. Okay, so it's just the autocracy

series that's in full continuity. I mean, realistically,

it's probably all of them. i'm choosing to pick

out the stuff i can because there's just too

many issues so uh we open with sentinel or sentinel

wow orion packs being rebuilt yep and getting

used to his new body and he and his autobots

iron hide bumblebee and hounds and oh yeah Prowl

holy shit is Prowl not in character in any of

this yeah I mean he's very much G1 Prowl which

is possibly because Flint Dilley wrote this yeah

but I mean he's not IDW Prowl at all and that's

just one of the characterization issues so anyway

they bust up a group led by swindle of course

who are selling weapons and they're looking for

info on Megatron and the Decepticons who have

sort of gone underground at this point and causing

the Autobots trouble They rough swindle up a

little too much as they being Orion Yeah, Orion

goes a little too far and in my notes when I

because when I when I took notes for this I'm

like in this first chapter Know bumblebee has

always been a scout. I know he's always been

kind of this Spy bot type of character, but bumblebee

the sniper. I was not expecting that at all.

I was like, holy shit Yeah, I mean that's a little

out of character from what we know later on as

well. Yeah But that's one's not so bad. So anyway

laser beak recorded the whole things so good

job on the Autobots to notice the flying transformer

I love swindles alt mode yeah so that's the end

of chapter one again these are super short because

of that yeah I don't even bother with the chapter

breaks at this point that's fine so anyway we

jump to Zeta Prime describing his new weapon

which is a vampiric lance and it Well as we see

he tested out on Yeah, he tested out on swindle

mm -hmm which by the way swindles alive, so This

is another continuity problem yeah meanwhile

In between that we saw prime and Magnus sparring

and prime is still sorry Orion packs damn it

Okay, I'll say I'll say I'll say this right now

folks We're gonna we're gonna confuse prime packs

throughout this whole episode and probably throughout

well at least throughout this whole episode of

the podcast, because we're so used to Optimus

Prime. We're used to either, oh my god, it's

a war, or hey, it's after the war. We're not

used to pre -war crap. It's easier in War than

Meets the Eye, because he doesn't look like Optimus

Prime, whereas in this, he already looks like

Prime. I think the only difference, and we'll

get to this later, I really think the only difference

between Pax and Prime in body is I think his

middle chest piece is slightly smaller when he

becomes optimist. Yeah, it's a little more open

and different anyway. Yeah. So yeah. Zeta tests

out his lance on Swindle, who apparently is the

only person who doesn't kill, I don't know. It

siphons off energy from Transformers and then

can fire it off in an exceptionally large lance.

But it does so by draining their life. Again,

apparently it doesn't work on Swindle. Ah, screw

it, I'm gonna stop whining about that. Anywho,

so, you know, it drains power from... the people

to empower Zeta, so for some reason this doesn't

go over well with some of the senators. And obviously

the Decepticons are not real cool with this.

Obviously not, I would think not. It turns out

Soundwave was watching the entire thing. I love

Soundwave. He gets away just as Orion comes in,

so Orion and his force are immediately tasked

with bringing in Soundwave. And we have a Soundwave

chase. Yeah, the third chapter is literally called

The Hunt for Soundwave. This is one of the better

chapters just because there's not, I mean, there's

no mischaracterization here. It's mostly just

Soundwave trying to get out. And really, I'm

going to say this now and we'll probably have

to argue about this later. I didn't know this

was retconned to be in continuity, but... I read

this assuming that this entire book, plus the

other two that we'll talk about in the next couple

of weeks, were their own thing outside of the

IDW, just that IDW has, yeah. It's recent and

you're not caught up, but I have been. And yeah,

recently it's been placed into it, which again,

I think is just a mistake. I mean, they've chosen

to largely ignore an awful lot of... costas run

and some of the not so good transformer stuff

so I don't understand why they suddenly want

to jam this in it doesn't make a lot of sense

it doesn't gel with chaos theory or any of the

other sort of early stuff from the trans from

more than meets the eye or really any of this

series so Why put it in now it doesn't add anything

it doesn't Whatever anyway So yeah, it's just

a chase scene the only thing I didn't really

like here sound wave seems a little callous in

terms of just like Throwing out his tapes and

leaving them, but I don't know. I guess he's

good I think I think the the issue here is is

that Chris and Flint wanted to show all the tapes

in action Okay, all right, but Actually don't

say that because overkill actually no both of

them are in more than meets the eye surprisingly

yeah, so okay, but seriously any any I Don't

want to say die hard, but any major g1 fan that

wants to read this that only knows, let's say,

the original cartoon series. Slugfest and Overkill,

to my recollection, were not in that. Yeah, they

never appeared. I know he's joking, Jesus. I

know you are, but I'm just saying... I think

the reason why he does... This works as a prequel

to the G1 cartoon series in a lot of ways. But

yeah, it just doesn't work as a prequel to IDW

stuff. Optimus is able to subdue Soundwave but

they are too close to Megatron's headquarters

and get jumped by the Decepticons. There's no

fighting though because they tell Pax that Megatron

wants to talk to him and they meet again. There's

no reference to the fact that There's a reference

to prime quoting Megatron's manifesto, which

is in continuity But not much about the fact

they've met a few times before It's likely picked

and chose anyway, so they have a conversation

they show Orion the Basically the crap that zeta

prime is pulling which is draining the people

literally Just to power himself. Yep And Prime,

damn it, Pax doesn't trust Megatron. Pax is really

angry in this series for whatever reason, and

anyway, he immediately attacks Megatron and his

troops come in to save him, but in the end, Megatron

kind of lets him leave, figuring that he'll do

more damage to Zeta than anything. the Decepticons

can do. My favorite part about this confrontation

between the two of them is close to the end when

Megatron's like, well played Orion, I underestimated

you. You usually do. I love that the juxtaposition

of their faces with the art. I think that's great.

So they leave. Pax immediately confronts Zeta.

Zeta sends him on a mission about a Insurgent

slash bomber named hot rod So Prime in his team

damn it packs in his team go out to find this

hot rod And we all know who hot rod is at this

point So he kind of leads them on a chase And

is not the sort of insurgent bad guy they thought

he was And they end up sort of chatting with

him and he shows them the people in the neighborhoods

that Are miserable don't have any energy on etc.

Etc. And then basically like the Cybertron's

poor yeah, and amongst all this Zeta unleashes

the uh mem pirate canon thing and the energy

sucker well first he sends out the omega sentinels

yeah there's that which are essentially omega

supremes um so uh zeta you know is instituting

the crackdown uh under the guise of crushing

the insurgent decepticons etc etc Yeah. at him

of better to die than be part of zeta's war machine

and pushes the button and you know kills all

of his people yeah i mean i i'm trying to say

even rotimus is less callous and that's kind

of a problem oh it's true i mean let's be honest

rotimus is an enabler who doesn't really care

about Others a lot of the time when it serves

his purposes. He didn't care about Chrome dome

rewind etc. Etc. Mm -hmm. I mean Again, because

even though I know this is tied to the continuity

when I read this I Looked at it. Yeah, I'll get

to the positives and stuff at the end. It's just

while I'm going Okay, because I'm not gonna remember

if I wait okay so you know whatever that all

happens and Pax and co confront Zeta at this

point or vice versa actually Zeta more comes

across them and Zeta beats the crap out of Pax

and his crew and are saved by the Decepticons

led by Megatron unsurprisingly and he fights

Zeta one -on -one until Zeta retreats, which

is usually a Decepticon thing, but hey. At that

point, Megatron... Go ahead. It's... I don't

know. I'm sure Megatron is worse than Zeta, but

from what I read out of this and what I got out

of his character is he's teetering on the edge

of becoming a Decepticon. I mean, he's pretty

much the Autobot version of Evil Incarnate. They

mentioned it in Titan's return that Zeta is considered

by some to be the first Decepticon. Yeah. In

terms of being evil, I mean, this is before Megatron

went too far. Megatron was in the right through

the Senate and a lot of what happened. The issue

was he didn't stop. Yeah. And Zeta probably wouldn't

have stopped either. But Megatron and his crew

repair the autobots, well, sorry, packs, and

his group of autobots. And Sentinel, or jeez,

Zeta, sorry. sorry other evil prime yeah since

like optimus is the only half decent one so anyway

uh zeta continues on his tear he's confronted

by both optimus our damn it orion packs and begatron

who you know he roughs up orion pretty bad but

megatron kills him yeah uh or so we think until

titans return anyway Another personal favorite

book Anyway, so they're able to dispose of Zeta

and Megatron Promptly shoots prime in the back

and blows a hole through them and leaves him

for dead. Sorry Axe in the back but at this point

luckily for some reason I I have never been able

to figure this out, but apparently the matrix

is just sitting down there and it calls out to

Pax and it magically fixes him and he becomes

Optimus Prime. Well okay so Alpha Trion is in

this but he's not what we know from the cartoons.

Previously Pax had been built to carry the Matrix

which is something that they talk about at the

open of this whole trade but yeah I just... Alpha

Trion isn't really around, like, if you look

at... What is it, Ward? Yeah, it's Wardon. If

you look at Wardon, when Pax gets killed or destroyed

or whatever and Alpha Trion rebuilds him, Alpha

Trion was around to rebuild the guy. There's

nobody really down here in the bowels of Cybertron

to rebuild him, so I understand why Chris and

Flint wrote this part of the story as... hey

you know but the matrix is frequently used as

a magical MacGuffin that can kind of do whatever

the yeah plot needs it to yeah but that doesn't

necessarily make it okay it's still very convenient

but you know and this the idw verse another reason

to me this doesn't necessarily fit in the idw

verse is pretty much built on stuff actually

making sense or you know somewhat trying to so

yeah i know it's still not bad but in any case

uh you know hot rod turns in the other autobots

uh or rather he gets pulled from them after they're

captured Mm -hmm and is now a decepticon at least

in theory. This is as Pax is becoming Optimus

Prime. So finally don't have to worry about the

name Yeah In the end, of course hot rod was bluffing

and breaks out to the Autobots the promptly helped

by Well, I mean they all get together at this

point they've got ultra Magnus you've got optimus's

crew a springer and others Up here after a bit.

That's one thing. That's one, but I was not expecting

to show up in this a springer and like I was

not expecting to see him at all and I really

should have been because We've seen almost every

84 incarnation at the 8486 incarnation at this

point Shouldn't he be Osteros? No, anyway. That's

another book. So, uh, Prime can now raise Titans,

so he wakes up, uh, Metroplex. Uh, or sorry,

well... He turns Archoprex into, yeah. Either

way, Metroplex shouldn't be on Cybertron now,

which is another IDW problem, but alright, fine.

Well, he shouldn't be hanging around underneath

I should say in any case They immediately sort

of go to the Capitol to push Megatron out he

manages to he being optimist gives a speech that

sort of the future Autobots listen to and a lot

of them decide to join up so we see shots of

You know, you mentioned Alpha Trion, there's

a shot of him, there's a shot of Ratchet, Wheeljack.

Ratchet, in theory, would probably be already

on Prime's side, according to the IDW verse,

because they hung out pretty much constantly.

We see Blur, we see the Dino -Bots. Yeah, and...

Mini -Bots, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, and how

this all happens is, you know, he goes and finds

Blaster. I love it. I can so hear Buster's voice

in my head when I read this So they attack the

capital and Megatron starts to ready the Lance

the Citadel's guns do a number on The Autobots

as well the Dinobots sort of help out but it's

not enough with the Lance that's out so Prime

brings out the big guns which is Metroplex who

completely destroys the Lance and wrecks most

of the Citadel leading to a Prime Megatron knockdown

drag -out which in a lot of ways mirrors the

movie complete with uh hot rod yep getting in

to keep megatron from grabbing a gun but this

time he gets out of the way and they shoot megatron

repeatedly but he's saved by astro train and

sound wave and the decepticons retreat yeah so

this is not a bad trade it's somewhat enjoyable

on its own and like i said before i Just don't

know how to evaluate this because when you put

it into continuity, there's so many characters

who just aren't Themselves, so I'm not sure how

you evaluate that it's as if in the middle of

a TV in the middle of Breaking Bad Walter decided

You know, I'm just gonna up and like give all

my stuff to the homeless. I love people and In

the next episode he decided like well, that was

a bad idea back to cooking math So now you know

I end up conflicted because I kind of want to

enjoy it just because it's a fun Writing so or

it's a fun story I think it's clear that everybody

working on it enjoyed it because there's an awful

lot of references To the cartoon series to the

movie There's a lot of dialogue from the movie

and it's as well too and just nod so I think

fans will have fun with it as long as that's

how they look at it. And that's how I looked

at it, yeah. Yeah, if you're looking at it as

a serious story to fill in gaps in the IDW verse,

that's more problematic. Yeah. No, I was... I

never expected this to, like, I know that John

Barber has always, you know, tried to, for the

most part, and succeeded. to tie up all the loose

ends from the previous IDW continuity stuff and

previous other continuities from Transformers,

and that's great. But I see this as more of a

one -shot deal, a something... Which it works

as. Yeah, absolutely, and that's why I enjoyed

this so much, because I was not looking for it

to tie into Death of Optimus Prime or More Than

Meets the Eye or... I was not looking for it

to tie into any of that stuff. I was just looking

at this as, okay, it's Flint friggin' Dilly and

Chris Metzen who, after doing some research,

he was a game developer at Blizzard for a while,

for a number of years actually. You know, and

there's a little forward from Chris in this trade

about how he, you know, was a Transformers fan

and all this and all that. So getting to get,

you know, getting the chance to work with Flint

and IDW and Livio and all of that. That's why

I enjoy this because to me it's. Two fans of

a series that the other guy actually create.

You know what I mean? Okay, Flint is one of the

creators He's not the creator. You know what

I mean? So it's one of those things where that's

what I was looking at this with I wasn't looking

at this with to try to tie it into anything else

I like the when we get into issue 2. I like the

packs and Magnus training session. I thought

that was kind of cool By issue two, I already

knew Zeta was just plain nuts. I mean, he just

is. They set it off as evil pretty quickly, so...

I thought issue two had a great... I thought

chapter two had a great ending to it, because

that leads into the hunt for Soundwave for chapter

three. I thought that was really good. You know,

I already mentioned Megatron and Orion panel

to panel with the back and forth. Oh, that was

great Obviously hot rod coming in and I was kind

of I mean I didn't think Chris and Flint would

turn hot rod into a bad guy But I was kind of

on the fence of like they better not do this

Kind of thing As we go through I think my favorite

cut all the covers to this this entire series

are great But I think my favorite one is chapter

nine with, you know, the Decepticon logo on Cybertron.

I thought that was the coolest cover. Livio's

art overall is quite good in this series. It's

arguably, I'd say, some of his best work. Yeah,

there was only one time in this, and I forget

which one it was, I forget which chapter it was,

that I didn't know what was going on because

of Livio's art style. That very rarely happens.

I know you pointed that out when we did the More

Than Meets the Eye and all that stuff on the

Combiner Wars. Yeah. Yeah. There was one point

in this that I was kind of confused because of

the art, because of the blurry lines between

characters and panels. But for the most part,

I absolutely love this. And having Blaster come

in at Chapter 11. Cuz we had already had all

of sound wave stuff and I'm like, okay. Well,

so we get sound wave So blaster had to file for

bankruptcy, huh? We said he came in in chapter

11 Funny guy Well, if he came in it well, there

is no chapter 13 so he couldn't come in at chapter

13 By chapter 12, I was Just in love with this

entire thing. I thought the ending was great

I thought it was a great ending without them

needing to say oh, hey, yeah, by the way a few

years later We're gonna do something else as

part of this because like there is like to me.

There's no setup I've never read monstrosity

or primacy either. So that's you know me going

in fresh but This pretty much gives you an ending

point, and that's what I like about certain stories,

depending on who the creative teams are. If a

story has an ending point, there's no sense in

trying to force a sequel to it. However, I understand

why they made these three a trilogy, and I'm

fine with that. They had more story to tell,

and we'll see how it goes in the next couple

of podcasts. Overall, what were you thinking

on the writing for the entire story? Besides

the continuity stuff. Yeah, I mean so I Just

you know the first time I read it I had no knowledge

of anything else and you know that would come

later and I didn't have Any idea at the time?

You know knew it wasn't part of the IDW first

So I enjoyed it and it all works fine but When

you merge it it then there's a lot of cracks

and in terms of the individual Issue though if

I'm if I just evaluate the writing without it

It's fun, but I mean it borrows super heavily

from the movie Yeah, which is fun, but I'm not

necessarily certain it makes for a good Makes

it a great trade or anything like that. I just

think it's enjoyable. I don't think it's yeah

It is very enjoyable and seeing some of the lines

in here You know from the movie like out of the

way hot rod or you know one shall stand one shall

fall I think the only line they didn't throw

in here from the battle was why throw away your

life so recklessly I think that's the only line

they can throw in here Some of sound waves lines

when he's ejecting the cassettes during the hunt

for sound wave some of his Mission descriptions

were a little strange, but other than that I

very much enjoyed this and Livio's art is just

so good I Mean he is the guy to draw the G like

specifically Linking to the G1 deal G1 cartoon.

He's the guy I want drawing transformers if they're

gonna link to that So Anything else we want to

say about this one? No, I mean I just I'm annoyed

at myself because it feels like I'm being really

hard on it I just don't know what else to I'm

more disappointed with IDW's decision because

I feel like it diminishes what This was which

was I think it was just meant to be like a fun

little story You know, they released it for free

originally so yeah to kind of move it around

to me is a mistake but i mean if you enjoy it

or if you're a big time you know g1 fan or something

like that you're definitely going to enjoy this

oh yeah Absolutely. There were a couple of lines

from Bumblebee that I just could not hear Dan

Gilvezan's voice in my head. It just didn't sound

like something Bumblebee would say. But overall,

other than that, and like I said, a couple of

lines from Soundwave that just didn't feel right.

But other than that, overall I think the story

is solid for, you know, a story. being on its

own outside of the continuity just being a traditional

g1 transformer story and i believe i could be

wrong on this so don't quote me but i believe

some of it's still available for free for download

as it was originally and like i said i'm not

entirely certain If it is, it's definitely worth

it to give it a shot to see if it's something

you'll enjoy. Yep. Not on Comixology, it's not.

The graphic novel for - No, it wasn't originally,

so. Okay. If you buy all 12 issues, you're only

gonna pay 12 bucks. If you want the trade for

just autocracy, it's 11 bucks. And if you want

the omnibus... All three parts of the story you're

gonna be paying close to about 22 23 bucks American

on Comixology Because I almost if I hadn't realized

that I only had that I only needed to buy one

of them I almost would have bought the omnibus

and I didn't Which I'm fine not buying that that

doesn't bother me at all But it's one of those

things where you know It would be cool if they

you know where you know what last month they

ran in July they ran a IDW line -wide sale from

I think the beginning of the month all the way

up to July 24th, and you would think that you

know This would be under like the free comics

or something like that on a comics ology, but

it's not but it's alright. I mean honestly ten

bucks 11 bucks for autocracy for what this story

is look like you said for a g1 specific fan 10

or 11 bucks isn't isn't a bad price for 12 issues

Again try to see if it's still available in the

original format damned if I can remember where

and how Yeah, I just remember somebody mentioning

it so Alrighty then, what would you rate on a

0 to 5 scale for autocracy? I really didn't want

you to ask that. I have no idea. Alright, look

at it at... Forget the IDW continuity crap. Just

as a G1 story... Just as a G1 centric, kind of

fun story. Give it a pretty solid... Three out

of five Okay I'm gonna give it a four out of

five Like I said going back and kind of looking

at my notes and looking at what while I was reading

it Like I said a couple of lines from bumblebee

didn't sound right in my head And of course,

they're not always gonna sound right in my head

because I'm not the writer I'm not the one but

you know as transformers fans What an ass. You

know, but as Transformers fans, we often, if

it's a specific genre story to a specific set

time in Transformers history, like G1, Beast

Wars, whatever, I like to hear the voice actors

in my head, you know, saying the lines. Like,

I like to think that it was like Dan Gilvazan

said this line at one point or another, or Judd

Nelson said it at one point or another. Prime

Pax stuff, there is, like, again, referencing

David Wise's War Dawn from the G1 series, Orion

Pax had a completely different voice actor. Orion

Pax had a completely different voice, and like

you already said, in this, he pretty much looks

the same, both as Orion and Optimus. So, that's

a little bit wonky, but... Other than that, you

know to be fair. It's super different in the

yeah Animated show either. I mean, yeah, that's

stuff like that's okay. And I mean overall I'd

say, you know ignore my whininess about Continuity

and give it a shot if this is something that

sounds interesting to you I would just preface

it and say that if you're looking for a great

pre -war Transformers story, I'd probably recommend

tracking down chaos theory first Fifth trade

of the Costa run not to mention the I believe

First James Roberts. Yeah first work by him because

he does all of the pre -war scenes Which is why

they're completely outstanding and He just just

skip over there Just kind of like pretend those

pages aren't there and Read the pre -war stuff.

It's really enjoyable. Oh Crap that's funny Alright

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