BotCon 2012 Toy News and Fandom Tensions

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Hello, welcome back. I've taken a hiatus. Yes.

But now that I'm pissing people off, even though

I'm not on the show talking about Transformers,

I think it's a good time to come back. Yes. You

always gotta love pissing contests. You always

gotta love TFW2005 and the morons that both run

it and visit it. I have to agree. I did change

my signature over there. Did you? Yes. I changed

it to... Well, it gives a link or whatever to...

Behind the voice actor. Right, and then after

that... Opinions are dangerous things to learn.

Tfw2005, colon, where opinions are a dangerous

thing to have, let alone share. Yes. Nice. Oh

god, that's funny. So, BotCon was this past weekend.

It was? Unfortunately. We're more here to talk

about the news and stuff that came out of it

I'll be doing a con girl segment with Callie

and Mariah to actually talk about the experience

of being at the convention Steve do we want to

start with pictures? We have pictures yes Sweet

sassy molassy. Yes, there's pictures already

To which pictures are we deferring to? The BotCon

2012 Hasbro new display cases and panel images.

Okay, you can take that. Yes. This is essentially

a story of showing off the different toys and

everything else. MP10, the Optimus Prime, is

going to be coming here. I believe it's going

to be a Toys R' Us exclusive. New versions of

the War for Cybertron are... fall of Cybertron

toys are going to be coming out. Soundwave looks

great. I mean, there was just tons and tons of

pictures from their booth. Soundwave looks great.

The Optimus Prime looks great, because it's that

masterpiece Prime. I don't know. I'm really digging

on what the stuff looks like. Not that I really

care to collect it, but I still like looking

at the images to see what new toys that they're

going to come out with. The only one that even

looked cool to me was the Optimus Prime one.

The Masterpiece, yeah. Yeah. The rest I can deal

without. Yeah, well, the fall of Cybertron Soundwave

looks cool because it's... He's cool. I mean,

it's not my favorite version of that character,

but it does look like he's put together well.

It's better than, you know, an SUV that is animated.

That's true. Midget toy. Anyway. The Optimus

looks really cool. Yeah. Yeah, the Masterpiece,

the MP10 Hasbro version looks really, really

cool. And it looks like it's very well constructed.

It looks like it's going to have a fairly decent

price point, because most of the Takara versions

of the Masterpiece figures are like $300, $400.

Whereas this this is probably only gonna cost

you anywhere from 60 to 90 bucks, so that's not

that bad especially with it being optimus Yes

And then there is the the Bruticus gift set for

follow Cybertron The only thing I liked about

this set was the swindle figure The rest of them.

I just don't care for however swindle the toy

doesn't look like The colors that the original

picture it doesn't look like they're gonna use

the same colors as the original pictures Unless

they are now gonna go for a more g1 look with

the gif set Which yeah the yeah apparently the

proper Color scheme which is what what the images

are here It's an exclusive and that's gonna be

lame Let's see, where does it say, buy these

awesome figures before the mainline individually

packaged figures become available in retail?

Oh, it's an SDCC exclusive. Lame. Yeah, I only

want Swindle. I don't care about forming Bruticus.

Having six or five individual Transformers look

like that they're gonna all fit together, that's

just the way that these look as Bruticus. It's

just fugly. And like I said, Swindle's the only

one I really care about. Any thoughts there?

I have yet to see a combiner look cool since

G1. I'm not saying that because I'm a G1 fan.

I'm just saying, I mean, there was a couple Beast

Wars ones that looked decent, but they were of

characters that obviously didn't appear. But

all these other ones, all the different, like...

like the Unicron Trilogy Type 1s or the Classics

Type 1s, they've all looked shitty. I mean, they

look like cheap impersonations of combiners to

me. And then we have, which I really only care

about the Transformers Prime stuff, but we have

Transformers Prime and Bot Shots images from

BotCon. The Transformers Prime toys look cool

and look interesting. I think that they really

screwed up with Arachnid having her a deluxe

figure. I think she would have worked better

as a Voyager figure because that way you might

have been able to get like three modes out of

her because she technically is a triple changer

in the show. She only is robot and helicopter

as a toy. Right. She looks somewhat cool though.

She looks cool in robot mode, but I still think

that the higher size class, the Voyager size

class versus the Deluxe size class would have

just made her a little bit better. Shadow Strike

Bumblebee looks fugly. Yeah, I agree. I mean,

it's all gray with a few yellow lines as far

as the car mode goes. As much as I'm loving TF

Prime Bumblebee, that just looks really, really

weird. I like the color scheme on the Prime dead

-end, though. I don't know if dead -end is going

to show up in the show, but I do like the color

scheme, at least on the car part. The color scheme

translated onto the robot looks really weird.

It looks like somebody threw up all over the

robot scheme. Yeah, a lot of these just kind

of Yeah All right so moving on to the SDCC 2012

rust in peace cliff jumper No, this is now. This

is cool. I did I did like this simply because

What they did was originally he was supposed

to be a first edition toy with the first edition

cliff jumper Transformers Prime first edition

Cliffjumper. And then the first editions just

went away. They just stopped making them. They

went to the RID versions. And they're like, hey,

here's a holy purple Cliffjumper that we're going

to give you that is the TerraCon Cliffjumper.

And it's like, oh, god. Because the coolest thing

about the... Just I think the face maybe just

cuz it's blown up so large and that it just looks

The the purplish stuff looks weird. Well the

face I think the face that you're talking about

with the with the dark energon spilling out of

his mouth I think that's part of the packaging.

I don't think that's the actual head mold of

the toy. I hope not I thought I said it came

with a head though like that Yeah, it probably

comes with a head like that, but I don't think

that's part of the packaging though That doesn't

because the because looking at the head on the

robot. It's much smaller than the blown up version

of Yeah, that's different that that looks like

packaging to me. I hope so That doesn't look

like it would fit on on the robot body but uh...

but no i really i i like this i thought this

was a great thing it's better like i said it

was better than a holy purple one because that

just makes no sense to me whatsoever yeah that

doesn't make a lot of sense i agree with you

for once so uh... apparently at the hall of fame

dinner there was a huge spoiler for transformers

prime steve yes shockwave will be in the show

Which is good. I can't wait to see what they

do with him. We need some more characters, so

that's good. Yeah, that would be quite interesting

to see how they play this off. I think they said

so. I read something about he's gonna be like

a skinny version like Soundwave kind of. I think

he's gonna be an exact duplicative Soundwave.

But that he would look somewhat G1 -esque. So...

Well, the image that they use here is the backwards

image of... fall of war for sebertron shockwave

but i've seen other images of the toy it's soundwave

right yeah uh... i was just saying the images

are using in in the link is the backwards the

the mirrored image of uh... of the war for sebertron

shockwave but yet now i've seen pictures of the

toy as well i don't mind that though i mean especially

if they actually give the shockwave character

a voice I don't particularly mind that Soundwave

in the series does not have a voice. I think

that makes him even cooler as far as just how

they've portrayed his character between the start

of the show in season one and now into season

two. And then sadly, I guess it's good for G1

fans, but sad news from the Hall of Fame ceremony.

Before we get into that train wreck, there is

one good thing. They renamed the Hall of Fame

awards to the Hartman awards in honor of the

Hartman's contribution to the legacy of Botcom.

Yeah, that is cool. I like that they did that.

It gives it a meaningful name, kind of like how

the Oscars or that kind of thing. It's the Hartman

Award, which makes perfect sense because without

them, I don't think there would be at least the

grandness of the Transformer conventions to this

day. Yeah. BotCon wouldn't be what it is now

without the Hartmans starting it up and then

obviously getting out of it and selling it to

Fun Pub and whatever else. It wouldn't be what

it was or what it is without them. So yeah, I

love that. Yeah, G1 Wheeljack won the Hall of

Fame this year. Boo. So, Megatron, are you wanting

to travel back in time and destroy Wheeljack

now? I would do more than destroy Wheeljack.

I would crush him, make him eat his balls, and,

well, I would feed him to Barney. Chop him up

into pieces and put him in McDonald's Okay, all

right The last bit of it's not really well, it's

news because it came out of BotCon It's more

so talking about a panel and Kevin has specific

opinions about this before we let him go on his

tirade about the Derek J Wyatt panel My when

I read because I actually watched I watched the

TFW live ticker as the panel was happening over

the weekend and I was actually copy and pasting

into Skype to Kevin I'm like, hey, this is what

they're saying in this panel blah blah blah and

Every time that I would do that. He just keeps

getting madder and madder and madder But as I

was reading through it and and and watching The

reports come in from the panel As whoever does

the TFW blogging. I don't know who does it but

It just it makes me sad that they Okay animated

at least in my opinion animated was a nice departure

from everything we had up to that point It did

homage a lot of different things and it did have

a fairly decent storyline I mean we spent an

entire 20 episode podcast dissecting it But It

just makes me sad that they keep giving the animated

stuff panels and people keep asking Derek and

all those creators questions that are never gonna

fucking happen! That's what pisses, it doesn't

really piss me off, but that's what makes me

sad about it is because it's like, oh, well,

there was gonna be a Shattered Glass episode,

there was gonna be this, there was gonna be that.

Well, it's not fucking happening sadly, and we're,

you know, we're moving on to Transformers Prime

and everything else, but it's like, as much as

I, you know, I've talked to Derek before, I've

podcasted with him before, he's been on a couple

of Toycast episodes, he's a great guy, he's a

great guy to talk to, he's very interesting to

talk to, but I just wish that they would stop.

up doing animated panels when sadly it's no more

and it's never gonna be so that's like saying

that's like beating a dead horse and saying oh

well beast wars what about season four yeah yeah

yeah machines or g1 or anything yeah i mean yeah

i mean that's the same thing with anything you

know um i can understand it you know within the

first two years of the final season airing. Yeah.

It's not that time anymore. No. Well, it's not

relevant. I mean, how many years has it been

since animated? It's been three years since it

went off the air. Yeah, so it's three years is

long enough now to let it go. Well, and they've

already I mean, Hasbro is essentially let it

go. I mean, they're already on to Prime and everything

else. And what's the point in seeing things that

some people like what's the point in even talking

about? Oh this might have happened or this could

have happened when all it's gonna do is either

Make people sad that it didn't happen. Yeah angry

that it didn't happen or like it's gonna not

gonna do anything good. Yes Now you shared your

opinion on on the TFW boards about this do you

want to talk about that a little bit and then

at the tail end when you talk about your last

reply I think is when Steve and I will jump in

about that moron that mentioned this is exactly

why I stopped so I mean all I did was go there

and try to share a dissenting opinion I you know

it's very dangerous to go there and not Share

an opinion that is accepted and agreed on by

the majority of people Right because there's

so many people there that are just waiting for

someone to they take it like personally they

take it like you're You're attacking their childhood

or you're attacking their own personal belief

system. It's almost like it's a damn religion

Yeah, it's a damn religion with like and the

different religions are you're either you're

a g1 person or you're an animated person or you're

a movie person and if you clash with any of those

other people from the those other sex or cults,

you better watch your back. So I was just saying

that I didn't say all the ideas were bad. That

was lost in it. I said that there weren't all

the ideas were bad, but I said certain ideas

made me happy that there was never another season

of animated. The idea of... bulkhead being part

of Devastator. The centerpiece of Devastator,

yeah. It is ridiculous. That's just asinine.

What was the other stupid one? Oh, Prowl. Prowl

becoming Obi -Wan. Yes, Prowl becoming a Jedi

-like ghost figure. You know, some of those ideas

are just absolutely retarded and they would have

made it even worse than it was. Some of the ideas

weren't bad. There was a couple that were decent.

But the majority of them, it just made me smile

that I'm glad Transformers Animated never continued.

And of course, I got attacked for that. And to

the point where, see, I never called anybody

out. I just shared opinions, well, except for

Derek J. White, of course. But nobody on the

boards. I never made it personal. But obviously,

they felt the need then to change it and call

me jerk and moron or whatever else they called

me. And that's fine. That's why I haven't been

an active member there for four or five years.

Yeah, I'm actually going to read this because

you quoted it from someone named Megabatamis.

The quote says, thanks for reminding me why I

stopped listening to all of the Yeetcast radio

podcast, jerk. Anyways, all of those ideas would

have been amazing. Really hope we can get animated

toys and classics one day. See, the reason this

guy's a retard. Yeah, because that makes no sense.

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped listening

to all the GeekCast Radio podcast I'm the only

one associated with GeekCast Radio that has ever

That doesn't like animated. That doesn't like

animated So if you're listening to the GeekCast

Radio podcast, you would hear a lot of animated

love So that that comment makes no sense. He

apparently hasn't listened. So well his name

is Clown Yeah, he reminded me why I stopped listening.

I doubt that he even really ever started What

he might have listened to one or two episodes,

but he should have known that you guys all Said

a lot of good things about Transformers animated.

So right just ignorance Well, I mean, you know

that's kind of like the role reversal that we're

gonna get when we eventually start Transformers

prime time in 2014 because Essentially you and

Michael Wilson are switching roles where you

love prime For the most part as far as I can

tell you I don't know how much we haven't talked

about it. I like it better than animated, right?

I haven't formed my final opinion on it yet.

Right, right. Well, obviously, I mean, the show's

still going on. And whereas Michael Wilson constantly

says negative things about Prime, you know, that's

just the opposite of what happened when we did

Transformation Animation Podcast where Michael

Wilson basically forgave every single piece of

the fiction. And you pointed out every single

thing that was wrong with Animated. And there

were some points where I agreed with Michael

and some points where I agreed with you. but

Yeah, this is why I only use and it's very rare

that I personally go to TFW anymore I only went

to TFW in Well, you know this this past weekend

in this past week for the BotCon stuff to see

what cuz I want I wanted to see I was actually

hoping that there was going to be a Transformers

Prime panel there this year I mean you would

think with the show having been picked up for

a third season They're already essentially. I

think they're already done with season 2 and

they're working on season 3 now You know as far

as the production goes you would think that they

would have something there this year like last

year where it's hey Transformers Prime is going

on now, and you know I don't know. I just I wasn't

too thrilled with a lot of the a lot of the panels

and and Just a lot of the news that came out

of Botcom. I guess it's because I'm not collecting

the toys anymore. I mean the toys look cool.

That's my opinion on them. I just don't care

to collect them anymore. I don't know. Steve,

any thoughts? I just think that in a sense BotCon's

pretty much... it's become too much of Hasbro

and just too mainstream in a sense. It's getting

too... To the point that most people are starting

to think, you know, why bother go to BotCon or

It's you know, like myself. I'd much rather go

to TF con than BotCon just because one it's smaller

to it's not as filled with Hasbro More more of

their politically correct crap I don't know.

I just I think that people think that um I think

that people just kind of side with it too much.

It's become so disproportionate at this point

that it's not even really all that relevant.

Well, this is what I'll say about BotCon. I've

never been, I would have loved, I had two opportunities

or two times where it was readily accessible

to me as far as traveling because it was in Lexington

one year in 2006 and it was in Cincinnati in

2008. It was close enough to me where if I had

the money to go I would have gone. At this point

BotCon for me if I do eventually go, even if

the set is, even if the box set is very, very

awesome. I would go for meeting up with the friends

and hanging out with people versus really caring.

I've said it in past ATTFs. Right now, the only

thing that interests me is Transformers Prime

and Fall of Cybertron. Other than that, I'm really

not into Transformers fandom anymore. Yeah, I

kind of have to agree with you there. The fandom

is not a pleasant place to be. Especially not

anymore. Yeah, I mean you can it's almost like

you just have to like it on your own or with

your small group of friends and You know you

can enjoy the cartoons or you can enjoy the video

games or you can read the novels or whatnot But

you know as soon as you start discussing it with

other transformers fan. It's not like it used

to be before Michael Bay before the live -action

movies And before all this nonsense like it was

a much more pleasant fandom because you didn't

have so many factions. You had people that talked

about G1, you had people that talked about Beast

Wars, but there wasn't this animosity amongst

people. And then as we got Transformers animated

and as we got the live action movies and now

into Prime, it's become segmented to a point

that it's almost not fun to try to associate

with anybody because you're eventually going

to get attacked for your opinions. I mean, you

know when we're gonna gravitate towards people

that that like prime or Like you know like what

we like to me the best stuff going for it is

the new video games Transformers prime and the

two novels, right? Yeah, like that that universe

is what's what's good right now and the movies

You know that the news and the rumors of the

and all the stuff about the fourth movie and

you know what I mean like Until it happens. I

don't care Yeah. You know, I'm happy with, well,

besides The Rims of the Fallen, I'm happy with

the trilogy that we have right now currently.

It's kind of a sad state of affairs, not just

for Transformers, but for any franchise, because

it's like, oh, and I know Kevin hates this excuse,

but... it's like oh this cartoon has you know

there has to be a toy line because it has to

revolve around a toy line or well this isn't

a movie year so we can't give you the masterpiece

sound wave with cassettes or whatever else and

i know i i think there is a masterpiece sound

wave coming at some point i don't know i don't

have the information in front of me but i'm just

using that as an example where it's like a franchise

has to rely on something huge to bring people

in and those movies brought a lot of mainstream

people into them and that's all well and good

those movies made you know billions and billions

of dollars and that's all well and good, but

I have always been I've always been under the

opinion it pisses me off when The second movie

wasn't even released and we were already hearing

rumors of the third movie the same thing with

the third movie It's like the damn movie wasn't

even released yet. They're like Oh Transformers

4 in 20 16 it's like fuck let the current movie

even be released before you start talking about

the next fucking thing Well, and like I guess

I don't know I've had a lot more exposure to

other fandoms lately you know whether it be you

know G .I. Joe or he man fandoms or My Little

Pony fandoms or whatever But like all the other

fandoms really they'll only get defensive or

sensitive or an attack mode When you're coming

from the outside when when you're comparing one

fandom with the other right like when when he

man Someone from a he -man fandom is talking

about someone from a you know transformers fandom

or they're talking about those shows That's when

you get defensive. That's when that's when most

fandoms You know bring out the claws if you want

to say something that bad about my little pony

You don't get ready to get attacked. Yeah transformers

is the only fandom that attacks its own members

Yeah, pretty much. It's it's so sad I mean, most

other fandoms only attack people from the outside

that are trying to say something bad about their

fandom. Transformers attacks each other. It attacks

their own fandom, which is just ridiculous. I

don't think G .I. Joe does that, and there's

just as many different series and movies and

stuff in the G .I. Joe fandom, but I don't see

that there. Well, if anything, I think the other

franchises tend to band together more as one

and attack a single head. Think of it this way.

For instance, there's so many different Transformers

podcasts, this one included. Granted, we aren't

as politically correct here as everyone else,

because let's just face it, it's GeekCast Radio.

We don't give a shit. We say it how we feel it,

and that's how it is. Most of them either cater

to Hasbro or sit there and attack each other

consistently Whereas if you get for instance

like our syndicated one What's on Joe mind? Yeah,

all the other GI Joe podcast kind of intertwine

and in You know, they constantly guest on each

other's shows. They constantly help each other

out I mean how they even get promos from the

director of the actual second film I mean, and

he calls of his own accord. I mean, do you get

Michael Bay doing this? No. Do you get anybody

associated with it? No. I mean, it's that kind

of thing that they are more of a tight -knit

group and more of a family fandom than Transformers,

where everybody's got their own series that they

like. You know, even in G .I. Joe, despite whatever

they like, they still... band together whereas

us we're constantly beating each other with pitchforks

and you know like oh you're the monster frankenstein

oh no you're godzilla you know i mean it's just

you know it's you know my unicorn is better than

your unicorn it's you know stupid shit like that

and i have more toys than you i have more i think

most of it is because of the films you have people

that did not actually grow up with it that are

trying to attack people based on the fact that

they are fans of the cartoon first in the film

second yeah and you know for me specifically

for for the cartoons at this point I like everything

except the unicorn trilogy well I'll rephrase

that I like everything except the unicorn trilogy

and the Japanese g1 stuff well it's not cuz I

don't It's because it's in another friggin' language.

I can't friggin' understand it. I'm not gonna

sit there and read, you know, to be able to understand

a show. You know, if I wanna read Transformers

fiction, I'll go to the books or the comics.

I don't wanna have to sit there and, you know,

read what the hell they're saying being translated.

That's just dumb to me. But, you know, from G1

to Beast Wars Beast Machines to Animated and

to Prime, I love all of those shows. For individual

and specific reasons, you know, G1 is nostalgia.

I grew up on it. You know, Beast Wars and Beast

Machines, you know, even though they're two different

series, they kind of mirror each other a little

bit, since Beast Machines is essentially a slight

continuation with the Beast Wars characters.

I love the stories that both those cartoons told.

Animated, I liked it for its stuff that it told,

and Prime, I'm just... Prime, for me right now,

is the best Transformers cartoon that has ever

been made. at least in my personal opinion. I

still beg to differ, but that's... I have to

wait until it's done before I can judge. And

I didn't absolutely hate animated, I just don't

think it's as good as most of the other cartoons.

I mean, it's better than the Unicorn trilogy,

but does it stand up to Beast Wars, Beast Machines,

G1, or Prime for me? No, it doesn't. Well, I

would still say Animated's in the top five, as

is Beast Wars, Beast Machines, G1, and Prime.

They're all top five, unlike RID or the Unicron

Trilogy. Well, these all five were made here.

Despite production made elsewhere, it was still

designed for here. You know whether whether you

like prime or not or animated or not. It's no

reason to sit there and and Especially over and

especially when the show is dead. I mean for

grace sake. It's not coming back That's like

saying oh we we want you know we want these words

to come back or or why why did you make beast

machines? You know it's the same hate that went

on in When beast machines came out and they're

like, oh, this is crap. Let's go kill Bob skewer

for writing it You know, I mean, it's it's the

same kind of stupid mentality. It's just a new

generation of bullshit So With that we'll be

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Now back to all things transformers And we're

back with all things transformers. So yes after

that very heated debate we had before the break

Or more so statement not really debate So so

yes with that there will be an announcement we

will not be reviewing any more transformers prime

episodes on the show I think we've kind of covered

enough of the show for you to get the gist of

it since the beginning of Transformers Prime

Plus we plan on doing a review show of it later

on so it's kind of redundant So yeah, we're gonna

gonna pass on that gonna stick to some of the

news and more of a discussion show When we do

bring it back Myself I am kind of burnt out on

it. So due to that It's more so just because

of all the drama and Transformers lately. I just

I can't do it anymore I mean, yeah, there's only

so many episodes that we can record and publish

where we're just all well where it's relevant

I mean, I mean unlike these other transformers

podcast. I mean, yeah, you can cover some you

know Generic bullshit news or you can you know,

most of it is not even legit Hasbro stuff. Yeah,

so that's not even warranting Or worth covering

and you have like 12 other, you know podcasts

that do the same damn information Yeah, not saying

that I don't want to but it's Because I only

cover what I'm truly interested in or I feel

is actually interesting. Yeah But it's it's just

most of these shows just kind of fly by the seat

of their pants. There's not really a point And

I don't want to have this turn into a rat hole

show. So with that, we'll be bringing it back

with the TF con coverage. Whether I go or not,

there will be someone here to cover TF con in

some capacity, either before or after the show.

There will be more bot con discussion on the

con girls, which will be on the radio feed. Yeah.

And that is more so. you know, getting Mariah

Baby and Kali Kari Shoka's, you know, experiences

of attending the con this year. That's not going

to necessarily be the new stuff. That's why we

did the new stuff here. And the statement information.

Yes. But yeah, so any other thoughts, guys, before

we close it out? I don't think so. I'm just,

you know, like I said before, looking forward

to more Prime and Follow Cybertron when it comes

out. And the Transformers Prime game. Yeah, there

are good things happening in the Transformers

universe. It's just more with the products, less

than with the fans. Yes, yes. I definitely have

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