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version 2 .0. against Cybertron and against humanity.

One shall stand and one shall fall. You, Optimus

Prime! Hello and welcome to All Things Transformers

version 2 .0 episode 17. I'm your host Steve

Megatron Phillips and joining me this week is...

TFG1 Mike. And our very special guest... Me,

Optimus. I'm excited. You sound like a mouse.

At least he's not sounding like he's winning.

Go away, Charlie Megadrone. I have Adonis DNA.

I think it sounds better and it's much funnier

in the Pocket God game, because in the Pocket

God game for iPhone, they added a... What is

it, Japanese? No, they... Oh, Adonis DNA! No,

no, no, no. It's just a squeaky mouse voice.

It's more high -pitched, but it says the same

things. Wow. Yeah, wow. Way to kill the conversation,

Mike. Shut up. Yeah. How's everybody doing? Why

don't we let the guest go first? I'm doing surprisingly

well. I'm in a good mood today, as opposed to...

I think it was... What day was it Steve you and

I were talking we were complaining about YouTube

giving me a hard time because somebody Somebody

Well, they didn't steal it, but they claim ownership

over a video of mine and Now they're making money

off of it Yeah, it was like Thursday or Friday.

It was so stupid. Yeah, yeah Steal content from

somebody else and make money off it Yeah Apparently

is Arabic and I'm not saying I'm not saying that

all Arabic people are like that But this guy

just happened whenever you Google his name a

bunch of Arabic stuff came up so I Don't know

it was you know and the funny thing was I got

the email and it instantly put me in a like defensive

Oh shit kind of mood because I knew what video

it was and I I'm like oh shit. There's somebody

that filed a blah blah blah I forgot what it's

called content ID match that's what it's called

um and I'm like oh man and I and it said that

it was for my WALL -E visits visits Optabottoms

or something and I knew what the video was I

had taken a whole bunch of little vignettes from

when WALL -E was coming out a couple years ago

like 08 or something like that was that when

it came out or 09 something like that And you

know just little shorts where he's going around

doing goofy things and I just thought it was

cute so I put it together and I've never had

a problem all this time. So when I saw it I'm

like oh okay well Disney or Pixar saw it now

I'm gonna have to take it down and I go and look

and then it's not claimed by Disney or Pixar

and it's like I said it's by some guy that when

I googled the name it was everything Arabic and

I'm like what this is Ridiculous. I actually

heard that people were doing this on a lot more

popular videos on YouTube and Now it's a process

where I have to go through and dispute the claim

and then they have to come back and either Retract

their notice or dispute my dispute which in that

case Apparently then they would have to prove

that they own the material, but there's some

loophole that now people don't have to prove

that they own it. YouTube automatically sides

with those people. So it's a huge mess. But yeah,

that was a couple days ago, and I was in a bad

mood from that. So I'm doing much better today.

Thanks for asking. So suffice it to say, the

gas stations aren't giving them enough money,

so they have to steal from you. I did not go

there. Please, Murray, any and all questions,

comments? Send it to Steve at geekcastradio .com.

See if I care. 25 pounds a gallon. I have nothing

to do with this. I'm an innocent bystander. Right.

Yeah, that's basically what they're doing. They're

trying to because they take it and it enables

revenue sharing for them, even though I already

had it on there, which, you know... Is 100 %

your original content? I mean, as far as reviewing

or whatever? No, it's literally... Me just taking

those little video clips and, you know, of Wally...

God, I don't even remember what it is. Say he's

walking around and he sees something and he plays

with it. I mean, it's like a 20 -second long

little thing. And there was a whole bunch of

them that came out around that time where he's

doing goofy things and he's experimenting and

he's confused. Like, imagine you both have seen

Wally, correct? Yeah. Yes. Imagine... a bunch

of different clips of him going through the garbage

like he did at the beginning of the movie where

he finds random things and he's like, what's

this? He's like, whoa, you know, and then it

does something weird. That's literally what it

is. And I put a string of them together. It's

like a three or four minute long video. It's

not my material, but you know, so. But in order

to complain about it, it would have to come from

Disney or Pixar. Right. Not Joe Schmoe. Not some

douchebag in Afghanistan. Yeah, Abdullah Makhan,

whatever. That one you can send me hate mail

for. They had a love affair with Charlie Sheen.

I'm trying to get that imitation up. If you can't

tell, it's going to come to play in a future

show. Oh, great. Wait, which future show? It's

nothing. It's more of a revised headshot meets

the night. That's the comedy show you were telling

me about. Before Steve goes, as far as me, I

woke up this morning and found out that the lights

fell off. Thank you. Fuck you guys, I'm going

home. So I woke up this morning to like 20 different

people messaging me on Twitter saying, uh, we

think your account's been hacked. Went in, changed

my password. I went back to protected tweets.

I enabled Twitter's encryption, account encryption

shit, changed my password like four different

times. My password's like, I don't know, 25 characters

long at this point. But it was like the worst.

hack I've ever seen on Twitter because apparently

whoever got a hold of my account, and I never

give my passwords out to anybody, especially

for Twitter and Facebook obviously, but I woke

up, I sent like 50 direct messages to random

people. And I didn't get one from you. Me neither.

Yeah, that's crazy. You got to count yourself

lucky. You need to stay away from those porn

sites. Maybe it's because I already marked you

as spam to begin with. Hmm. I'm joking. The sad

thing is I actually went back and I looked through,

which this has kind of nothing to do with it,

but I went back and looked through my Twitter

followers. The first two people I ever followed

was Spada and you, Steve. Nice. And we didn't

get anything from you. We're not important enough

for the spammers. Yeah, what the hell? Bastards.

Don't even have to, Steve. You go to hell. You

go to hell and you die. That's what she's saying.

But yeah, what I've been doing for the most part

of the last week is, well, BehindTheVoiceActors

.com had... We've gone on to the next round of

the... voice contest which comprises of Disney

characters this time around the Dragon Ball Z

round is done thank God whatever um I bitch slap

you with my palm the only reason why I say whatever

is because you guys and I understand why you

guys did this but you guys picked all like no

name background characters or or none you know

main characters so we had to because if we didn't

right some people were going to get badly out

-ranked if it was streamlined um... not to mention

that um... i've also joined the twig crew kind

of yes you have you made your career on a jump

the shark jump the shark oley but uh... But yeah.

I don't know what that means. Yeah, you're just

here. You don't know what the hell we're talking

about. I've done that. I've also been working

on Predacon Empire new version of the site, which

is coming along slow at the moment because I've

been playing a lot of Diablo 2. A monstrous amount

of Diablo 2, which is a game from 1999. That

still holds up today. And you can play it for

free online with other people, which is another

bonus for me. So and Diablo 3 comes out in like

February. So that's that's going to be where

I'm going to disappear to for a week. It came

out in 1999. Yep. And there was an expansion

in 2000. And it still holds up. It's from Blizzard.

It's from Blizzard though. What's even more amazing

is the fact that it's taken them 10 -11 years

to do a sequel. Well, think about it this way.

They created Starcraft, Diablo, and Warcraft

around the same time. And then they had a Warcraft

2. It took them 10 years to come out with Starcraft

2. It took them 4 years to come out with Diablo

2. And then it took them 10 years, almost 12

years from the time of the previous game to come

out with Diablo III, and they've already had

StarCraft II and World of Warcraft as their big

moneymaker at the moment. Yeah. It's kind of

like Hideo Kojima with Metal Gear Solid. It's

like every time to hit perfection. It's not like

they pulled a Duke Nukem. Oh, God. Yeah, wait

14 years for the shittiest game on Earth. Yeah,

at least at least blizzard has a standing record

of it's done when it's done, and it will be awesome.

Yeah, so Blizzard is Blizzard is the tool of

the video game industry And I mean that as far

as the band tool because they're the same way

they make albums like every ten years And they

come out and they're ridiculously popular for

a very long time Oh yeah, and I am pretty geeked

for Batman Arkham City, though. Oh, that comes

out tonight, doesn't it? It does, but not for

PC users. Yeah, fuckers. PC users, it comes out

on, I believe, the 11th of November. Wow. Oh,

that's the day the bottom of this gets buried.

Yeah. 11, 11, 11. Yeah, it's so sweet. It's binary.

Sorry sweetheart, I am not going to be at my

wedding because I'll be playing Arkham Asylum

on my computer. See how well that goes. She would

kill you. With a spoon. With a wooden spoon and

hopefully we splinters. It would have holes in

the spoon so you could hear the whoosh as it

swung by. Wow. But anyways, anybody else have

anything else to add? Nope. Bueller? Bueller?

OK. We're going to jump into the Transformers

news before we take our break. So we're going

to jump into Paramount plans Transformers 4 and

5 to be shot back to back. Somebody shoot me

already. Oh, shut up. I see the financial aspect

of it. I get that. So Hasbro can keep branding

up. And so they can keep the mainstream audience

up. Because honestly, without a movie, no little

kid that hasn't been in the fandom for that long

is gonna really care about generations figures

everything else but the problem i have with the

movies and the movie toys is that That's all

that they rely on when a film is out. They don't

even do anything else with any other part of

the Transformers branding as far as toys. Look

at Dark of the Moon. It's just now ending and

the toys for that are coming off the shelves

for Transformers Prime. I don't want a fourth

film to do... What Fucking Revenge of the Fallen

did is basically shut down animated. I don't

want a fourth film shutting down Transformers

Prime. The movie didn't shut down animated. Cartoon

Network shut down animated. This is my thoughts

on it. Transformers Prime, being that this won't

even begin because of Bay's prior commitment

and the fact that they will probably want him

and Spielberg back on. It being that it won't

start till late 2012 or early 2013 They should

be able to wrap up another 26 episodes of TF

prime Yeah, and if need be finish it off properly

unlike I mean they did finish animated properly

But they there was still more that could have

been told I would like to see transformers prime

go on but It would be nice to you know at least

They would still have a whole nother year of

life that they could do whatever with it Whereas

it wouldn't be cut short So it's still it would

it would hit more episodes than transformers

animated already by the end of that year or so

Them hitting transformers four and five I can

see the aspect of doing them at the same time

that makes sense They did pirates two and three

that way they did Lord of the Rings two and three

that way I mean, it makes sense from that standpoint

because they lock everybody up for that whole

time period so they can just pump them out. But

I also like the fact that Shia is not going to

be in it. I'm kind of skeptical. And at this

point, according to the Geek Tyrant article,

it's just a rumor. I'm kind of skeptical what

the hell kind of a role Jason Statham would play

in the Transformers movie universe. I like Statham

as an actor. I like him in his stereotypical

action star movies that he does. I just don't

know how well he's gonna fit into Transformers.

Jason Statham in The Transformer. I would not

watch this movie if he was in it as the main

character. I'm just putting it out there right

now because I cannot stand any film that he's

been in. I will not watch anything that he's

been in. I do not like any of his work. I like

some of his movies, but I don't like them all.

They're all the same. I know. If you see one,

they're all pretty much the same plot. He's running

something for the entire episode. And that would

fit perfectly with a Bay movie. Oh god. I'm running

from Megatrons. Robotic army of hell. I mean,

shit, who's left? He's killed all of the Decepticons.

Well, there's the whole, I mean... I mean, Megatron

died, and then, I mean, here's the perfect time

for Galvatron to enter the whole thing. Boo.

I mean, no, I agree, but it's the next logical

progression, I suppose, but... They'll bring

in Jane Alice. It's so hard. I don't like Jason

Statham. I really hope that he wouldn't be replacing

the Sam character. Not replacing, but... I don't

want Jason Statham to become the next Sam Witwicky.

I want him to be a completely new character.

I think that after Dark of the Moon they're pretty

much done with Sam Witwicky. So it would probably

be a new character. But it's taking the place

of having Shia in the starring role, that's the

thing. I really didn't mind Shia. Didn't mind

him in the third in the first film the second

film I could have shot him in the head been fine

That should have been never made Yeah The only

thing that that gave it resonance for the third

film is the fact that prime had the matrix and

he said it's here Sentinel take the matrix and

he's like no Which still doesn't make any sense

to me how if the Decepticons knew that the matrix

was already on earth What's what's the point

of everything? It's that this I mean if they

came to the earth Looking for optimist prime

because they knew he had the matrix. I mean optimist

prime came to earth Because the all spark went

there They didn't know where the all spark was

to begin with until bumblebee Pretty much told

them because they were out scouting or something

like that. There's just no Continuity with with

everything it doesn't match up and you throw

revenge of the fallen in there It just makes

it a huge cluster one You know But I mean logistically

it makes sense for him to do the movies You know

back -to -back. It's it's Probably financially

easier to do it Ether and recruiter I mean him

I liked what he did with with the dark of the

moon So and they say that he's got an idea that

the studio likes See, I wasn't disappointed with

the third film because I went in with low expectations

because of the second film. Yeah. But. I still

felt at the end of the third film a sense of

blah at the end of the movie, like like it wasn't

it was underwhelming, the entire film, even though

I already had low expectations of it. From the

get -go and I've watched it like two three times

before it came out and then I watched it again

when I got the deep the blu -ray and I'm still

feeling that kind of sense of blah at the end

of watching it yet again Whereas the first film

Whereas the first film I'm still I can sit and

watch it and not be as kind of bored ish Granted,

it was a great action movie, the third film,

but there was still something that was kind of

missing. Dark of the Moon is probably the one

I could watch multiple times out of all three.

The first film is good for the story that it

told. That fuck nugget that was Revenge of the

Fallen does not need to exist. My expectations

going into Dark of the Moon were anything is

better than Revenge of the Fallen. For the movie,

it was not a good movie. Everybody can pretty

much agree on that. People get so mad at Michael

Bay and they want to... kill him and attack him

and everything because all you did is destroy

it and then it falls and sucks. You know, there's

a lot of other problems that Michael Bay didn't

have any control over that really made that movie

crap. Well, I mean, you have Hasbro's hand in

it. You had the fact that you had two writers

that were working on Star Trek simultaneously

and the writer's strike. And so right. And then

you had Aaron Krueger in there as well. So you

had. three different writers, two that work well

together with a guy that normally works by himself

kind of clashing ideas and then they filling

in some of the blanks because the writers strike

and so you had multiple hands dipping in that

pot screwing up the film. I think the problem

with the TF film franchise in the first place

was Bay straight out and came came out and said

at the beginning of the the first movie when

they first started producing it That he was not

a Transformers fan. He could care less He's just

in it to make his military movie or he said something

along those lines You know, I'm just paraphrasing

here and the problem is is you know You don't

want to have someone who is solely detached to

it But at the same time, you don't want to have

a super -Uber fanboy make the movie either. You

want someone that can be in the middle. And I

think that he had kind of come down to being

in the middle as the films progressed because

there's way more G1 references in Dark of the

Moon than I ever expected there to be. Yeah,

but that's not necessarily Bay that's doing it.

That could be Kruger, though. And I also think

Spielberg has something to do with it, too, being

that he was a Transformers fan anyway. Honestly,

I would like to see what he would do if he was

put in charge. I've always been a big Steven

Spielberg fan, but to counter what you said,

Mike, about you don't want to have somebody who

doesn't know about a franchise and somebody who

super loves it. The 2009 Star Trek movie done

by JJ Abrams, he said that he didn't like Star

Trek at all. And I thought he put an outstanding

Star Trek movie out there. So, I mean, it can

work, but... I mean, I don't think necessarily

Bay is to blame for that. I mean, he... Well,

he kind of is. The differences between the two

of them is that I'm sure JJ was probably open

to fan interaction and fan input, whereas in

the first film, Michael Bay basically said...

i don't care what the fans think i'm i'm just

out to make it and i don't want to make that

if that were entirely true he wouldn't have gotten

peter cullen on on board it will lead dot sir

that's also state has never heard that I'm betting

that that was Steven Spielberg that said that,

and I know in an interview that Bay had did,

I think it was on one of the DVD features, that

he said, you know, you kind of have to have Peter

Cullen. But I mean, the biggest thing was the

flames on Optimus Prime and the fact that he's

not a flat nose and everything else. And I understand

it has to be made realistically for a film, but

just his initial attitude. when he first started

you know going on message boards are going on

this are going on online was like i don't give

a fuck what you people say i'm gonna do it the

way i want to do it and that's what initially

turned a lot of us off to it i think and that's

where you know the the reference of you know

michael bay's rape my childhood like star scream

race giant metal bugs came from and yet work

work we're talking about a movie franchise that

has grossed how much money over probably a billion

and a half dollars total. I would say it's probably

even higher than that. It's probably close to

like two billion. Dark of the Moon has done a

crap ton of that just by itself but Dark of the

Moon is adjusted for inflation obviously what

now the fourth highest grossing movie of all

time. Yeah it's like one Dark of the Moon itself

was like 1 .1 billion dollars and if you add

in all the other movie costs plus the toy line

costs it's probably close to two and a half billion

dollars. and that's great and I'm not saying

it's not great I'm just saying that you need

someone who is like I hate to use this reference

but you need someone who's straddling the fence

who isn't so close to the fandom but isn't just

gonna wholly ignore the fandom you want someone

who's gonna tell a good story and as we as you

guys said the problem with the revenge of the

fallen besides you know throwing in the the twins

was stop it was the fact that they tried to write

it during the writer's strike. That they tried

to make it during a writer's strike, and that's

what really hindered it. Other than, you know,

the twins. I look at it this way. From a movie

studio standpoint, I would not want a movie that

caters to a fandom. If they put me in charge

of the movie, I would probably go about it the

same way that Michael Bay did, because you have

to appeal to more than just the fans. If it's

just Transformer fans going to see this movie,

it never breaks those records. You need to put

them together. And I understand that, and that's

fine, and I agree with what you're saying. But

what I'm saying is that you don't want to have

someone in there that just ignores the fans either.

You don't want to make it wholly mainstream.

You want to throw in those homages to, you know,

Light Our Darkest Hour and, you know, stuff like

that. But you don't want to just ignore people

that are giving you suggestions. I mean, you

know... If they threw the lighter... I cringed

when I heard it in the most recent Transformers

Prime episode. There are certain things that

I'm sick and tired of hearing. Yeah, and that's

something we get into once we talk about Transformers

Prime, but I mean I just I mean I know that the

article says it's not probably gonna start until

late 2012 which probably means it'll end up being

a 20 late 2013 or 2014 release Which is right

now in 2011. That's fine for me. That's at least

two or three years away My problem is the constant

news stories and rumors of oh, this is happening.

That's happening. It's like You gotta talk about

something. It's better than talking about Transformers

comic books all the time. I quit reading Transformers

comic books when Dreamwave quit doing them. The

only Transformers comics I read are the BotCon

Convention comics. I have to agree, that's about

as far as I go besides IDW's Beast Wars ones.

That's the last time I cared about a comic on

Transformers. I read the, well, I downloaded

the prequel comics for the movies. No, no, no,

no, I didn't pirate them. I downloaded them in

my iPhone app. Right. Yeah, we know what you

meant, Paul. I just like if okay, and this is

ever it's always been since I was a kid you always

used to have a movie novelization and then a

movie or a movie came out and then after the

movie came out you would get a novelization the

The one that comes to mind the most is Peter

David's novelization of 1990s Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles Like I don't mind reading either

a novelization of the actual film or a prequel

novel of the film of events that happened beforehand

as long as it's in book form. I don't like because

I'm not a comic reader so I don't like the fact

that they do prequel graphic novels. I get that

a lot of people like graphic novels and comics

and everything else like that but I would much

rather have something like Exodus or Exiles,

where it's an actual book that you actually have

to read and not just look at the pictures. When

you were young, were you a comic book fan in

general? Did you read Batman, Superman, regular

action comic books? Not regularly, no. I read

them here and there, but I never actually really

kept up with them. When I was young, I read comic

books like it was going out of style. Then they

just kind of got stupid and I stopped reading

them. You know, so that's why it doesn't bother

me so much. My biggest problem, and this happened

with Dark of the Moon, was they released the

novelization before the movie. And I read it,

and I absolutely loved it. And then I watched

the movie, and there were some key points in

the book that were completely omitted in the

movie. And I'm like, how can this be a novelization?

I mean, I understand that, you know, you have

a writer who, you know, takes liberties with

various things, but not entire characters being

completely included in the book that are not

included in the movie. I mean, what I consider

key plot points, I shouldn't say plot points,

but key sequences, I should say, completely added

to the book that are not in the movie. Now, I

don't know if that's because the book is written,

then it goes through the publication and all

that stuff. So, I mean, you probably got the

book, you know, the screenplay to write the book.

a while before the final edit of the movie came

down so but that just that's annoying to me you

know if you're gonna do something like that just

wait to release the book until after the movie

yeah because I can't watch the movie now without

looking for certain things that I read in the

book and they're not there and they're absolutely

not well they are there but they're not there

if that makes sense yeah and I'm not gonna elaborate

because I don't want to ruin it for anybody.

At this point, I don't think anybody cares. Yeah,

true. What else, Steve? So with that, has everybody

done on Transformers future film franchise crap?

I think so. All right, before we beat that into

the ground, I think we'll be back after this

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we're talking about One Shall Rise, the three

-parter. Starting with part one, the Autobots

discover that Dark Energon is responsible for

an epidemic of natural disasters. Sounds ominous.

It is. These writers know how to end this end

the season. I gotta give him that You still bitch

about the writers from Revenge of the Fallen.

They're the same writers They're executive producers

They suck Michael Bay's dick. That's the big

difference. I think it was Hasbro's dick This

has to cater to younger This is supposed to be

coherent films are never coherent. That's why

they redo them every ten years Now the one thing

I want to point out really quickly before we

get too far into this is as I've been watching

the entire season including this final three

-parter I One of the reasons why I hated Bumblebee

not being able to talk in the films is because

in the first film, they didn't have him talk

up until the very end. He talked, they actually

credited a voice actor, and then in the second

movie he doesn't talk again and he uses the friggin

radio. Here in Transformers Prime, I don't mind

the R2 -D2 sounding Bumblebee because you do

have Raph translating for him. I don't mind it

because they haven't, you know, not had him talk,

had him talk, and then not had him talk again.

So, I'm perfectly fine with this version of Bumblebee.

Meh. I'm tired of Bumblebee, honestly. I wish

they'd actually given more of a personality than

just do -do -do -do. I think his personality

comes through. It does? His symbolism of various

things that he does. It's just annoying not hearing

him speak It's like saying hey, we're too lazy

to give one guy and either side of the faction

war lines to say Yeah Because they'll take up

an extra two minutes I'm sure I mean they attributed

it in the movies to him being damaged or something

like that Then yeah, he got fixed and then it

went to being damaged again whatever but I'm

curious to see if they're ever going to make

reference to why this version of Bumblebee doesn't

have a voice. I think they are in Season 2 because

I remember a few months ago there was a news

item about Jeff Klein talking about the series

and he said that, yes, we understand fans don't

like the fact that Soundwave and Bumblebee don't

talk. We will be telling the story of how and

why Bumblebee doesn't talk eventually. He used

to be Blaster, that's why. And he got in a big

fight with Soundwave and that's why neither one

of them can speak in anything but beeps. Soundwave

doesn't even do that. He just repeats other people.

Yeah, he just repeats other people or he'll show

a visual on his screen. Freaking modified laser

beak. I don't know. He's badass. I don't need

him to talk. Yeah. He looks scared. He looks

almost to be a con ish Yeah, he does look almost

exactly like them So the the basic point of part

one here is that Megatron thinks that that his

destiny is to be the the Chaos bringer or the

next evolution in Transformers history because

these planets are aligning in a certain way.

I found this story to be very, very interesting.

You don't sound that interesting. No, I am. I'm

just trying to collect my thoughts here because

I'm just staring at the screen and I'm not really

doing anything. No, they told a very well -written

story. But I think where it really kind of hinders

and they also turn it around is where you supposedly

have Megatron as Unicron's slave. What intrigues

me with this entire story is that... They they've

known about This this prophecy for a while and

most most of the Autobots you see ratchet and

be like yeah I thought you know just stories

bulkhead whatever Prime seems to be taking it

really seriously now that it's actually happening

And it just I'm like what if you really thought

that that it was gonna happen in the first place

How can we have waited this long to say anything?

Mm -hmm and it I mean obviously you think how

to build the story and that's fine, but I'm looking

at this I'm like You knew about this all this

time ago. You didn't say nothing so now Big dummy

could have done something before all this craziness

happened See I find this I know Sorry That's

right. I find this particular episode kind of

interesting in the sense that they actually Animated

a scene between primus It's in Unicron. Yeah.

And referencing the original 13, the Well of

All Sparks, and the defeat of Unicron, and I

like that they put a different twist on Unicron

this time. Instead of a floating planet that

eats planets, he was a slumbering planet that

a planet named Earth formed around. But we don't

know that until later on. But it kind of references

that in this one when they... when Megatron gets

the vision of the Earth exploding. Yeah. I mean,

the astute people can start putting that together

and you start seeing this. I completely agree.

I love this. I mean, I never watched any of the

trilogy cartoons. They were lame. They were what?

They were lame. Oh, well, that's exactly why

I haven't watched them to be honest that everybody

says how bad they are and I refuse to watch them

and I literally tried watching Some of it and

I can't stand it. It was just too stupid for

me to actually watch but I Really disliked what

they did with the whole unicorn and things of

that nature and that's where we got Primus from

and everything So there was some good that came

out of it. I suppose but I really like what they're

doing with this whole Unicron aspect of things.

It's really kind of refreshing. I don't want

to say it's a new take on them because they're

utilizing a lot of different things from a lot

of different... I mean you got Unicron, you got

Primus, you got the battle between them. Obviously

you're incorporating movie aspects with the original...

well not the movie aspects but... You got the

original 13 primes that are created by Primus.

I mean, I love what they're doing with it, but

it seems fresh to me. Yeah, I like the new take

on this whole thing, and I actually have to correct

you as far as the Unicron trilogy. The Primus,

that's the first time he was animated. Simon

Furman did create him in the comic line. See,

and that's where I never read Transformer comics.

See, I had all of the American Marvel comics

from the 80s to the early 90s. And then some

of the UK comics I'd read online referenced a

lot of them. And they actually made him kind

of look similar to Rodimus Prime as far as how

Primus appeared. So they did have a lot of Primus

in there. So that's actually where that all came

about. And this particular unicorn actually...

What's that? I sit corrected. And this particular

unicorn actually resembles Beast Wars Neo. Yeah,

it does. It looks like the prototype figure that

never made it. Oh, that's interesting. It was

kind of nice to see him come his little rock

soldiers fighting optimists and losing Someone

said on Twitter. I think it was PO that said

on Twitter. Oh cool Rock Lord Unicron He's gonna

rock him like a hurricane. That's pretty much

what he became Is able to Manifest himself in

various rock forms. Well, he is the planet after

all How many people cracked up at the Taint of

Primus line? Oh, that grossed me out. I thought

that was funny. I'm like, um, the Taint of Primus?

Wow. I mean, that's obviously not what they meant,

but us adult perverts probably took them like,

ew, came out of the Taint of Primus? Well, he

truly is the spawn of, of, nevermind. I'm like

getting squeezy. Just think if Dodd was here,

he would have some kind of - Oh God, don't even.

He would have some kind of Transformers porn

parody. I'm sure. Yes. It's funny that Megatron

kind of makes himself the Herald to begin with.

He's like, I am the Herald of Unicron. Which,

you know, later he changes his tune, but - Well,

that's because he got dissed. Because Unicron's

basically like, bitch, I don't need you. I never

did. Right. So it's like, he's like, fuck you,

so what? And he's just like, oh, then Megatron's

all, oh, well, all right, well, I'm screwed.

And now he wants to kill things on the planet

that I want to rule. So all right, well, guess

I don't like him anymore. As far as part one

goes I think when I think it was the hub or Hasbro

somebody had put out a clip you know a teaser

clip of part one and it was the scene where June

and and Raph got stuck in the the tornado Yeah,

and you see Raph jump into B's hand, but you

don't see June because the car then floats away.

Everybody freaked out, and they're like, oh my

god, no, they did not just kill Jack's mother.

I almost thought they were going to, and I was

like, no, wait, they can't destroy the DeLorean.

She's got a very motherly tone in this episode,

where obviously Raph comes back, he's hurt, and

Optimus sees him, and he's... you know recovering

and prime is happy to see him recovering and

she she has this line where she's like you know

he almost died these are just kids and i mean

she she has a point oh she does she absolutely

does but you know i i found it hilarious when

uh um you know she's like i'm taking him home

you know miko come on and miko just in her very

defiant ways like you are not my mother and then

of course all the Autobots, you know, bulk is

like, you know, me go, you're not my mother either.

And it's you start kind of getting a sense that,

you know, the Autobots are realizing that this

is bigger than the humans and that people can

get hurt. And June is realizing that. And she

tries to leave. She she grabs rap, sticks them

in a car and they're on their way. And and this

is where I was saying, you know, that we kind

of get some of Bumblebee's Personality through

some of his actions because you see bumblebee

completely defiant Probably just ran off to go

and get them or at least make sure that they're

safe getting back home and he saves them and

Luckily, he's there and I think June realizes

that and I think that's kind of what you know

She realizes that you know, yeah, we're all in

danger, you know, but these guys are here to

try to help us And that's the end of my rant

Do like the fact that Miko said the cons killed

a unicorn White horse with a horn on its head

prances around all sparkly My little pony reference

there I almost thought so too that right there

was the defining moment in Transformers Prime

That I've decided that I hate Miko. That's about

the only line. I like that Miko said all season

Oh, it just was ridiculous and then I go back

I can't I just oh and that you know the thing

is I can't even I don't I can't say her name

I can't remember her name, but the chick who

actually does the voice for Miko is Exactly like

Miko in real life. Yeah, it's literally like

they took her it animated her and made Miko It

is so I wanted to run up on stage and just strangle

her. I probably shouldn't do that, should I?

No, no, you shouldn't. I believe it's Tanya Ganati.

I think that's how you say it. Whatever. I'm

sure she's a sweetheart. I have nothing against

her, but I don't know. It just... It offers...

It offers a unique feel for the humans to have

the three different personalities that we have.

Raph is kind of like the little kid who likes

to race cars and who likes the computers. He's

technically a younger version of Chip Chase.

Mikko is a slightly older, better version of

Sorry. And then Jack is pretty much G1 Spike,

except he's a little bit quieter than Spike ever

was. That's funny. You just pulled the words

right out of my mouth that I was going to say.

To the T. Sorry. That's alright, you just saved

me some breath. There you go. I think it's funny

though, like you guys were saying about the taint

of Unicron earlier, not trying to get down that

low road. It's just funny how Unicron's like,

you professed loyalty to me, yet you allow a

disciple of Primus to live. I will destroy him

for you. His screams will be heard. I grow wary

of your prattle. Surely if you had the power

to destroy this Prime, you'd have done so already.

I will deal with him myself. It's like a Megatron

and Starscream moment. Like, bitch please, I

can do it myself. I don't need your little help.

And did I miss something somewhere? We're a little

Starscream anyway. That's what I was just going

to say. Did I miss something along the lines

between episode 20 and 24? A couple episodes

before, he basically said, you know what, I'm

going to do this on my own. I'm not going to

have any affiliations. I'm just going to go on

my own. And then he transformed into his jet

and took off. He's going to go find Dr. Arkaville

and come back. That would that would be such

an awesome cameo in season two wouldn't it if

archivist showed up and Casey was the voice that

would be so awesome Well, I mean It leaves a

whole lot of possibilities because I mean remember

Starscream kind of did that in the g1 era and

We got the combaticons from that He'll become

the leader of the Autobots nice God Talk about

a twisted Talk about a twisted transistor there

That would be hilarious But I guess we should

move on to part two. Yes Which basically is summed

up in the Autobots team up with a surprising

ally to save the earth aka Megatron Yeah, we

kind of already talked about part two. Yeah Just

go with it. Yeah, we'll just go with it. We did

get to see the taint of unicron I'm sorry. I

I have to skip to the end because that part freaked

me out the eyeball. Oh, yeah That was creepy.

That was pretty creepy It came right after Megatron's

line of he already knows we're here yeah whatever

he said but that eyeball movement was like oh

my god so creepy and he said his antibodies yeah

right right i mean that whole eyeball thing as

soon as i saw that i instantly thought of lord

of the rings and the eye of sauron i'm like oh

this is this is serious you know if unicron's

eye was red and it had a little silver slit in

it you could have called it the eye of thundera

I do like how in this episode though that Megatron

finally steps foot in the Autobot base just to

be like, oh, so this is the Autobot base. Damn,

I'm a dumbass. I couldn't find it this whole

time. In this and was it this episode or the

next night because they're all one parter and

here here's the biggest problem I didn't watch

these like everybody else did on YouTube or I

don't watch them on TV when they air I watch

them usually the next Saturday or wait no the

Sunday morning after downloads to my iTunes so

Typically, it's like when the new episode comes

out. I'll go back especially with part like two

partners like this so when I watched part three

Before I watched part three I went back and I

watched one and two so I would have Like all

one story going on instead of having a gap in

between so So it's hard for me to separate these

now There's a scene where prime and Megatron

are fighting side -by -side. Is that in part

two or part three? That's in part two or part

three. I free there's there's several scenes

with that Well, I mean specifically when they're

inside Unicron, I think I think it is in the

part where they're where they're battling the

The the anti -bugs. Yeah. Yeah, that's in this

part as I was watching it I was I was like They're

back to back and they're fighting and it was

almost rhythmic how the two of them were fighting

together and It was I was like sitting there

watching. I was like wow that was impressive.

And see, this is going to come back later when

we get to part three at the very end of part

three as part three goes along and tells that

story. You see what I'm doing? I'm trying. I'm

leading it. Set it up. Yep. I'm trying. It was

a good episode. It was, but I like the antibodies

coming after them, and I like the fact that they

also bring up, you can't go into Unicron, he's

made up of dark energon, we won't survive. And

I like how they back that up with bulkhead kind

of getting weak and weary and almost falling

off the optic nerve there. I find it kind of

odd that the... One of the biggest Autobots is

affected before the smaller ones. Well, the bigger

they are, the harder they fall. Well, yeah, but

you would think that a bigger one would be tougher

and able to resist a little bit longer than,

say, R .C. who's tiny. But R .C. is, you know,

ninja bot femme fatale, though. There's a big

difference. She can move. Clearly she can move

and you know she's faster than the radiation

of the dark and oh, I don't mean That's what

you mean shut up. You don't know what you're

talking about all right all right look as Someone

who is obese all right? I know for a fact that

someone who is skinnier has a higher metabolic

rate than I do We're talking so much Well, so

what I mean they they gave Robots food in in

animated so I can compare metabolic rates between

robots of our stores Yes, and be stores. All

right. All right. I'll back down I I really like

this That's all there is to it and we like I

said we saw the taint of unicorns, yep, it was

creepy Yeah And I like how specifically going

back to the the eyeball scene that it is more

Organic rather than you know green emeralds that

were in g1 Well, he is techno organic, it's almost

like a a Repeat of a fire in a fire in the sky

Yeah, the planet needs Unicron to survive. Well

the planet needed sky fire kind of So it's it's

a similar idea anyhow Yeah Well the other thing

that's that's neat is that we see That's prime

optimist prime starts a I Don't want to say like

it like starting to trust a little bit more,

but he he sees greatness in Jack and bestows

upon him what is what he calls the power source

or whatever to the ground bridge and Jack is

sitting there with it and like okay whatever

and again we find out more about that in the

next episode but that really showed the growth

of Jack and how Optimus sees him as somebody

who has that leadership ability. Mm -hmm. Well,

I mean look at Jack throughout the majority of

the season in the series so far. He's always

stepped up and and taken the leadership reins

of the kids because let's face it Miko isn't

a leader and Raph is you know, too young too

young So, I mean that's technically his role.

He is the leader of the children's Yeah, and

again the way that they sorry to cut you off

there but The way that they have between one

shall rob between one shall fall the episode

before this three -parter and this three -parter

the way that they just leave you not even at

the very last episode but leading up every episode

they give you a cliffhanger and it's like Wow,

they really know what they're doing Yeah, they

do I Think that it's kind of funny that Prime

before they decide to take off And I can't remember

which part this was exactly and I don't remember

if it was part two or three but He gives Jack

something prime does which I don't think they

explain it till the third one Yeah, they don't

explain to the third property gives him that

key and he says it's the key to the the ground

bridge power source But he's actually lying to

him because he doesn't want him to yeah Yeah,

so, which I think that will come back into play

into Season 2 in terms of helping Prime. And

in terms of what that key actually is, and we'll

find out about that in Part 3. Well, that's how

they start the engine to Cybertron. Anyways,

we'll jump into Part 3. Jack learns more about

Optimus Prime's history on Cybertron while the

Autobots continue their battle at the Earth's

core. which it's kind of nice to see that they

carried on the Orion Pax from G1 and all of the

other Mythos and Megatronus, which that was from

IDW's Megatron Origins. But yeah, it was nice

to see that they were kind of back -to -back

kind of friends at one point. You know that's

allies they both They both believe that things

needed to change on Cybertron Just one had a

different way of going about it than the other

one And that's usually usually the difference.

That's what happens Yeah And in this episode

we we also learned that we need to watch out

for the quiet ones Yeah, and see again that Again,

that's why I don't mind the one thing that I'll

absolutely hate in season two is if they get

Welker But they don't vocode him. I don't I don't

mind the dr. Claw sound wave in the movies I

do not want dr. Claw sound wave in transformers

prime I would much rather have him silent than

have him be dr. Claw so silent, but deadly gotcha

But yeah, again, it goes back to Soundwave doesn't

need a voice to convey his presence. He just

needs a foot stomp. Exactly. And you really see

the... I mean, you really see the badassery of

Soundwave as... What the hell's her name in this

thing? Erachnid. I can't stand her, by the way.

I can't either. She she she steps up. She's like,

oh well Megatron has left us and that's not good

for us or the Decepticon so I'm gonna take over

and we're gonna hightail it out of here and she

goes over to leave and Soundwave is like, um

No, we're not going anywhere I mean he doesn't

say it but he's standing in front of her and

then she gets all pissed off and she tries doing

some karate things on him and and Very Mr. Miyagi

like Soundwave is like Just just laughter. Yeah,

and he's like you're done and that's it then

he just turns around he goes right back to doing

what he was doing like he's very single -minded

and focused and it reminds me more of shockwave

then Then sound wave. I mean he's got the loyalty

and everything, but it just in terms of his Dedicate

well sound wave was always really dedicated,

but just something about him just really says

shockwave to me. I don't know. He's more of a

cross between the two. Yeah, he is. I would love

to see a shockwave version, like a Transformers

Prime shockwave. I would love to see that. But

if we don't get it, I think that Soundwave, with

him always doing his little experiments and everything

else and... and keeping track of whatever the

Decepticons need to keep track of. It's, you

know, like Steve said, it's essentially combining

the two characters into one. Yeah. I really will.

I mean, without having said anything, I really

like Soundwave, especially in this episode. It

just comes across and comes out so much nicer,

I think, than previous appearances by him. But

it's good. I like this episode. Yeah, I think

this is quite honestly the best episode of the

season period. I mean, this is, you know, the

climactic battle ending everything. It's just...

I mean, and I have to honestly say I agree that

Soundwave is the best he can be, that he's been

all season right here. This defines him for the

next season. Yep. That he's not gonna take any

shit anymore. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's You're looking

at this, you know, and then Obviously, you know

the the whole thing who was that breakdown was

a breakdown that said it knockout. I'm sorry

knockouts like watch one easy like yeah, like

watch out for the quiet ones, you know, and that

just really solidified everything and It was

at that point. I was like, you know what if if

Soundwave needed to take over I think at that

point time it was pretty much decided that Soundwave

would be the next one to lead, as opposed to

Arachnid. Oh yeah. Not that that would, you know,

ever happen, because Soundwave, you know, with

his dying breath, would be trying to find Megatron.

But, you know, I mean, he really stepped up,

and you can really see it there. My only regret

is that Starscream wasn't there to get bitch

slapped. And it put in his place by Soundwave.

I think that would have been a whole lot more...

entertaining as opposed to it being arachnid

yeah as far as arachnid goes to me like I love

Gina Torres voice singer but arachnid to me she

as far as her just her look and not really what

what she's all about but just her look she looks

like a robot version of Maleficent sleeping beauty

yeah kind of yeah But yeah, overall this episode,

the battle, the fact that they get into Unicron's

spark chamber, the fact that Megatron shakes

him off and basically says no one commands Megatron,

that I thought was a really nice nod to TFTM,

even though in TFTM he had to change because

he was injured. And he did get controlled here

too. Right, you're right. Yeah, he got controlled

a little bit But it was more so like after he

shook it off where Unicron later took like after

he said that laughter Megatron said that line

and then later on as like right before Optimus

releases the energy of the matrix Unicron takes

his body over but it's more so Unicron, you know

using Megatron as a vessel rather than, you know,

torturing Megatron like what happened in G1.

But he did torture him a little. Right, he did.

But, yeah, releasing the energy of the Matrix.

I will agree all set off there that there are

certain lines in Transformers Phantom that we

are just sick of hearing. And I think one of

the reasons why we're sick of hearing them is

because it's taking away the emotional effect

of the lines. And the problem is, back in G1,

Cullen's voice, everyone's voice in G1 was a

little bit reverbed. I actually listened to Cullen's,

you know, Soon I shall be one with the matrix

or the matrix shall light our darkest hour I

went back and I listened to those lines his voice

has a slight reverb Reverb auto not really auto

-tuned, but it has something behind it. Whereas

this it's just Cullen's voice There's no I can't

hear any effects behind it But I think the emotional

presence of that line is just gone at this point.

I Don't think it's gone. I just think that it's

It's because they didn't play Stan Bush's song,

You Got the Touch. That's what it was. That's

why Mike's very upset because You Got the Touch

did not come into it. That's Mike's big problem.

I agree. I think certain lines are overplayed.

The title of this episode is One Shall Rise.

That whole one shall rise, one shall fall. That

whole thing's been said a million times. I don't

know, I see what you're saying, and I kind of

agree with it, but I don't think that it's necessary.

I think we look at it and we draw too much to

the emotional attachment that we had at that

first time that we heard it, and it kind of weakens

that feeling when we hear it used in a whole

bunch of other random times. I mean, I think,

you know, because I can still go back and watch

the original movie and I can still hear, you

know, one shall rise, one shall fall, you know,

or light our darkest hour, I can still hear that.

And in that context and in that movie, I still

love it. Exactly. But in the other time, it's

like, you're just, you're cheapening the line.

Well, the problem now is with one shall rise,

one shall fall line. It's been used in the films

and all the animation since. Well, okay, that's

not the issue I have with it. Yes, that is an

issue that I have with it, but that's not my

main issue. My main issue with One Shall Stand,

One Shall Fall is now, over the last three years,

half the line is Optimuses and half the line

is Megatrons. That's not how it's fucking supposed

to be. Peter Cullen is the one that fucking says

that line, the whole line. It's not supposed

to be shared between Optimus and Megatron. That's

an interesting way of putting a different spin

on it so it doesn't sound lame, you know, or

a cheap copy of the original time being said.

No, Megatron's line is... His line is, I'll rip

out your optics! Which I don't think he has even

said yet. No. I mean even in the battle that

they had, in in one shall fall even in that battle

they didn't really that battle was awesome but

they didn't they used a couple of the major lines

but they didn't like use every single one of

them which I'm actually glad about see they're

training carefully in this show which I like

yeah they're not just casually you know dropping

the lines as much as say Revenge of the Fallen

Yeah, I'll go on further in the whole the needs

of the many outweigh the needs of the few Fuck

you. That was such a Star Trek drop Yeah, it

was and it acts absolutely. I mean I'm sitting

in a movie theater and I heard that I cringed

so did I like no, I smirked it first that I Smirked

it first and I was like no it's not that now

you know you're just you're making it cheap I

told I was I was like go Vatron get out of the

movie Spock alone this is the one where Spock

goes nuts that I didn't mind so much that was

that was good that was a subtle play on what

was gonna happen yeah and it was it was very

well done and uh that I didn't like that. Yeah,

this is something I did not, and again, it goes

to the testament of what Orsi and Kurtzman can

do when they're not under Michael Bay's thumb.

This is something I never even expected them

to go in. Well, wait before you reveal the end.

We have to talk about what they actually handed

Jack. Oh, okay, okay, yeah. The Taint of Primus.

The Key to Vector Sigma. Yes, which it doesn't

exactly explain What it's for in this series

Not yet. Not yet, but ranch. It's like How did

how do you have that what and then he realizes,

you know primes not coming back? Well, while

Jack is just sitting there tapping it on the

He's like, what the hell is this? Is this a funky

looking new CD or something? What the hell? It's

that new government style. Yeah, but um, I like

and and we can go back to what Mike was saying

before how Prime is wiped clean He is he's not

prime he's Orion Pax You think you think that

was such a turn that I did not and it was like

hold on hold on I don't mean to cut you off,

but I got to tell you my story because my story

is awesome Not nothing your story not but it's

probably fine. Okay, so mind you I had not seen

this episode. Everybody's talking about it. Oh

my god. It's awesome Epic epic. I mean, all right,

whatever. So I'm sitting there watching it and

and It's coming up to okay. Oh look Optimus Prime

put the the matrix in there. Okay. Oh everybody's

happy the flood stop earthquakes blah blah blah

and Everything's happy, and I'm sitting here

watching us on like okay. That was and I was

tweeting it You know and I was like okay. Yeah,

this is pretty good, but I don't see why people

are freaking out so much and Literally as I sent

that that's when Optimus Prime looks up at Megatron

and he's like Megatronus and I'm like oh Shit,

there it is! I told you! I fucking told you!

I know, but I'm like, why are you guys so excited

about this? I'm like, I mean, you can see that

Optimus was good. I mean, good guys always win.

I mean, I was like, okay, I mean, that was a

cool episode, but why is everybody so excited?

Then I see that and I'm like, oh, that's why

everyone's so excited. and then it's like I instantly

got goosebumps and I'm just like I'm shit my

eyes got wide and I'm like watching the TV screen

and Then they're sitting there and then you know

Megatron like kind of realizes. Oh, that's what

happened and He you know refers to him as Orion

Pax and then the other Autobots come in and Megatron's

like those are our mortal enemies quick. Go.

I'll cover you and I'm like What and at first

I was like did Megatron get? erased to or whatever

I'm like Why would he be and that yeah, then

the next scene is you know him going in there

and? You know the the Decepticons are about to

attack and he's like Megatron's like no no no

Is that any way to treat one of our you know

a long -lost friend? You know and then he's like

he's one of us. I'm like then I shit my pants

Yeah, that's at that the thing about the whole

The memory problem is specific to Optimus because

of once he released the energy of the... Honestly,

go back to G1 when they released the energy of

the Matrix for the hate plague. And then Hot

Rod's like, it's empty, what do we do now? Well,

we get wiser and we fill it back up again. Whereas

here, Optimus empties the Matrix and not only

does he empty the Matrix, he erases his memory.

to the point where he's Orion Pax before the

war started. And that's why they told that story

earlier of Optimus being the data clerk and conversing

with Megatron and this, that, and the other thing,

because that was actually in Exodus. I don't

know if this particular story was in any of their

comic book, but where I first read this Megatron

Optimus story was in the Alex Irvin novel. Transformers

Exodus and I thought it was great and I You know

my jaw dropped to the floor when they did this

in the cartoon. I'm like, oh my god Yeah, and

and not only that they even say at the very end

to be continued So they're not just you know,

they're not just giving us Season long story

and just cutting it off and just wrapping everything

up immediately They're taking us into the next

season with the holy shit moment of optimus is

a con Overall my thoughts on season one of transformers

prime The writing the animation the voice acting

all that's great There are a little nitpick stuff

here and there that I don't really like but overall

the entire season was awesome in my opinion it

is Probably number one number two probably tied

number one with Beast Wars as far as storytelling

But it's like the second best or the first best

Transformers cartoon ever at this point Just

for the stories that they've told so far I would

have to say... I think we need to get more Transformers

Prime before you can make that kind of comparison

as to be as good as Beast Wars. Well, the animation

is ten times better. No, no, no. Well, obviously.

I just mean... Right, right. You're saying as

far as the storytelling. I mean, I like where

it's going now, but, you know, the first season

of Beast Wars, you didn't know what was really

going on. Sure. I think we need to look at it

in that perspective, but for the most part I

do agree. Steve, go ahead. I was going to say

that I have to agree that I made it and I'm going

to have to give it time too, but I think that

it easily could fill that second spot, kind of

tying with Beast Machines as far as storytelling.

It's almost on par with Beast Wars, but mostly

because of this end last five episodes. Oh, yeah.

It just depends on like what you said, Paul,

of whether it season two picks up and runs with

it. Which they probably will. I'm sure it will.

But I mean, you know, there's going to be duds.

You know, there's going to be filler episodes.

Yeah. But, you know, honestly, going back. Cuz

cuz my personal second favorite is Transformers

animated And that's that's very close That's

a very close second to Beast Wars being number

one in my opinion this Where I'm seeing this

going I do have high hopes that it could be the

absolute best of any Transformers Series to date

beating Beast Wars beating animated beating everything

I think it has that potential. But I've been

let down before, so I don't want to get too excited

about it. But it's just going to have to take

time. But one thing that I was noticing is going

back and watching. I mean, not too long ago,

I went back and I rewatched every single episode

again. And because I have them on iTunes and

I'm watching them and even the filler episodes

I enjoy. Whereas. Filler episodes in previous

series, I was like, eh, I can skip over this.

Well, the thing about the filler episodes in

this series and Transformers Prime specifically

is that there's always that one or two bits in

a filler episode that ties the entire story together.

Yeah. I agree with that. That's why I think that

this has the potential to be one of, if not the

best, Transformers series out there. Just my

opinion, just my opinion, but the potential is

there. Right. Steve, final thoughts on season

one? Definitely surprised by Primus' taint. Very

surprised. Yes. No, I'm very surprised at how

they took this concept and ran with it and took

aspects of all the different franchises. kind

of meshed it into a new universe that kind of

fit with the video game and the books and It

did something different to where Yes, people

are skeptical throughout the entire season, but

I can't say that anybody could honestly hate

it after seeing Especially the last five episodes.

Yeah So honestly, I mean, even for myself, somebody

who's been kind of waning as far as Transformers

content lately, I think that this kind of has

me geeked for season two and ready for it whenever

it decides to air, which I believe they said

it's going to be sometime in the end of November.

Yeah. So they're not waiting too long. I mean,

that gives them a month. Yeah. Well, I think,

and I said this all fair. I think I said this

to Steve or I might've said it to you, Paul.

What they might end up doing is what they did

when they premiered it. They may do a season

two five -part epic miniseries in November. November

ended into December and then they might say oh

hey That was the five part miniseries for season

two come back in February for the rest of the

series or for the rest of the season So that

could be a possibility I mean they've taken breaks

like that before but I'm glad that they're not

waiting like six months to give us the next season

yeah, that's definitely a very Bad thing. I mean

that's one thing that you know Hasbro has maybe

maybe it was you know with Cartoon Network or

whatever But you know the whole delay between

and this kind of goes towards the toys and stuff,

too So just spreading it out for so long before

doing anything else Really, I think kind of hurt

things and I hope that Hasbro by having it on

their own network They won't make those same

mistakes, and I think that's kind of what they're

doing by giving us only about a month, you know,

a month and a half or so of a separation between

season one and season two. Now, does that carry

over between two and three? Who knows? But it

does also kind of lead into the rumor. I think

you and I might have talked about this about

that there's there's rumor, there's talk that

at some point in time there might be a Transformers

Prime movie that they do. That would be awesome.

I would love to see how that worked out. I just

hope it's not like The Simpsons, which is just

basically a long Simpsons episode. Spider -Pig!

Spider -Pig! I mean, there's parts of that movie

that I absolutely love, but when I'm watching

that movie, all I see is one big -ass episode.

And that's the inherent problem when you do movies

that are based off of TV series or something

like that. Yeah, it just kind of leaves you between

a rock and a hard place. I think the future looks

bright with Transformers Prime, though. It does.

And the thing is that you have to have a story

that has deep turns and curves and twists and

everything else. And more importantly, you have

to have, in terms of storytelling, you have to

have the taint of Primus. You also have to have

a beginning, a middle, and an end. Take TFTM.

That is its own story within the Transformers

generation one cartoon. That used all the old

characters, even though they got killed off.

That's just kind of a really long episode in

between. I don't, I never saw TFTM as a very

long episode. I think that's because you're looking

at it through the glasses of a fan. Well, so?

Well, no, there's nothing wrong with that. There's

nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying that,

and I mean, by no stretch of the imagination

am I saying that I don't like it and I love that

movie, but you could break that up into, you

know, just an episode. Probably. But yes overall

season one of Transformers Prime is excellent

every time I see Megatron in this cartoon I so

want the toy. Oh, I agree I will have this this

will be at my desk next to Beast Wars Megatron

and war for Cybertron Megatron The only problem

that I have with the toys is It comes in bump.

It comes from bumblebee. I think he's just I

think he's too big I don't I don't I don't like

I don't know maybe it's maybe it's because of

RC because when I'm seeing RC and bumblebee together

and RC is taller than bumblebee in robot mode

It really bugs me Is she? Yeah, she is Wow, not

by much, but it's noticeable, but This is the

only movie style, because let's face it, we all

know this, we've talked about this before. They

basically combined multiple versions of past

versions of Transformers. It is movie style influence,

it is animated style influence a bit. This is

the only movie -esque or whatever style of the

Bumble Bee Camaro. This is the only Bumble Bee

toy as far as that style goes that I would probably

ever buy, just because it is Transformers Prime

Bumble Bee. I think that's just because you like

Transformers Prime and you don't like the Transformers

movies. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. So

yeah, overall, I can't wait to see more. And

we actually did see more with New York Comic

Con this past week. I saw it on, I think it's

Entertainment News International. Tformers .com.

Yeah. they showed off a a clip that happened

in new york comic con and while i have so i i

i i hope to god my my hopes aren't dashed with

season two but i have such stories that they

could tell in season two if they're going to

go with what happened in that clip uh... basically

the clip shows knockouts uh... branding optimist

prime with a decepticon single symbol yes i want

to know what's going to happen when optimist

prime who now thinks he's Orion Pax, looks in

a mirror and doesn't see Orion Pax. I think the

key to Vector Sigma will restore him. The power

of Primus compels you. I think it would be cool

to see Prime be evil for a couple episodes and

then just kind of be like a silver bolt type

thing from Beast Wars. think this is right Megatronus

and then he'll be like shut your face do what

i tell you see what i think might happen is that

and this is now i'm not i'm not getting my hopes

up for this because i seriously doubt that they'll

do this when i first saw the Decepticon symbol

thing being put on him in that clip the first

thing the first place my head went was like oh

my god they're turning him into Nemesis Prime

it's a trap That would be kind of awesome to

have a nemesis prime in in cartoon form and then

they'll have to go into another continuity and

pull optimus primal But no and then maybe Starscream

will you know lead the Autobots for a while nice

I'd be all for that do it. It'd be interesting

to say the least Starscream has no army That's

true, or you can come back with dr. Arka bill

and the Autobots have no leader They're leaderless

they all look to bumblebee who nobody understands

That was good that was like a combination between

Archie D2 and Chewbacca Okay, where do we go

from here Steve? Well, we've already pretty much

stated what we're looking forward to as well

So we will cut this episode short before we go

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you'll hear some random quote at the end of the

episode See you later folks What is this I sense

the taint of primus Megatron is commanded by

teamwork Are we Megatronus? Don't you remember,

old friend? Welcome back, Lord Megatron. At ease,

breakdown. That is no way to welcome a long lost

comrade. Orion Pax is one of us.