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to All Things Transformers, Episode 51. Recorded

Tuesday, September 28th, 2010. Hello and welcome

to episode 51 of All Things Transformers. I am

TFG1Mike and joining me as usual is Steve Megatron.

Hello. And the hater of beast machines, we have

Optobotamus with us. throw me under the bus there

before i can even say hello to anybody so hey

i didn't i didn't start the bus i just threw

you under there you're not ran over yet okay

all right when you're not fucking barney megatron

whoa wow i have no comment yeah i got I'll have

to send Paul that clip so he knows what we're

talking about. Yeah, somehow Michael Wilson got

us into that. Yeah, it's all Michael Wilson's

fault. Somehow it jumped from Snow Stalker to

Barney and Megatron because Snow Stalker and

Tigatron, so you can kind of guess where it went

from there. So this is episode 51 of ATTF. This

will be the episode that we release right before

Steve goes on vacation. In that case, Steve,

I hope you had a very good vacation. For when

future versions of ourselves listen to this.

But it's not a future version because we're releasing

the episode before he leaves on vacation. Yes,

but this is the past and soon it will be the

future. Exactly. Don't confuse us with your linear

time screw up stuff, Mike. I have the DeLorean

and I know how to use it. We know exactly what

we're talking about. Don't screw our heads up,

sir. It's too late for that. You're already screwed

up anyway. I know, but since we're in the past,

we don't want to screw up the future. Everything

that we do now could screw things up. Where's

the gray sports almanac when you really need

it? Okay, so transformers here Paul at the bottom

is his has co -hosted with me on toy cast for

since episode 66 actually and We're bringing

it what? What what I don't know I can I heard

of an echo or something and I thought somebody

was trying to say something anyway Sorry, just

don't blame the cats. Um No, she's out. She's

up sleeping right now. So I'm safe. I'm not So

we decided to bring out the bottom us on this

episode of ATTF because there's been a bunch

of news that got released today Monday September

28th You can't figure out he's not gonna be able

to figure out the day if you can't figure out

what month it is member So So leap month back

on the 25th apparently s 250 from the TFW boards

has Posted a potential rumor which According

to some people all of his rumors are eventually

come true That we could be getting a cup in the

generations line So that just proves that he

jumped a space bridge and Discovered in the future

and then jumped the space bridge back. He apparently

has a DeLorean Yes, does it travel time He might

he is isn't he he's like Asian or something right

they have everything over there. Yeah, that's

true So they might have time travel. You know

Apparently on his on his Twitter page. He recently

posted Rumors said green car being developed

in generation series cup. Is that you? Okay,

so he posted a plot about Or twit whatever whatever

they are I used Twitter, and I don't even know

what it's called. Oh god, it's called a tweet,

you twattered. It's a tweet, okay, so he tweeted.

Unfortunately, you just said something bad, so.

You're gonna have to bleep that out. Oh hell,

we're explicit on this. We don't bleep anything

out, that's too much work. Alright, screw it,

screw it. So he twatted about... green car and

uh before beforehand before we started this whole

crazy ménage trois thing that we have going on

right now um i i i mentioned the fact that and

i'm bringing this up just because i want to rub

it in your face that uh you know there's there's

been other green cars in the history of transformers

one of which being i know your favorite mike

and that's uh springer so Yeah, no He's like

a slate Yeah, I agree the tealish tealish tealish

So I don't I don't particularly put a lot of

um I mean I believe that there's some kind of

green car that's in development, but you know

his name drop enough cup I Don't know I'd be

I'd be surprised if they didn't eventually make

a cup. I mean, when was the last time that we've

had a cup figure? 1986 yeah, well Well, no, no,

they never because everybody was always talking

about how our repainted cyber animated Cybertron

mode prime would be a good cup and I've seen

customs of that and I guess that's possible,

but I Don't know. But yeah I mean, it's been

quite a while since we've had a cup figure. It

would be nice to get one in a Generations motif,

I suppose. Yeah, I agree, but I don't know, I

just... I don't know, so far I'm not too thrilled

with Generations. What? Well, I like the War

for Cybertron stuff, but... This is what? Shut

up. Freaking Californian. What's wrong with the

Generations line? I don't know, it's just one

of those things where they're releasing, outside

of WFC stuff, they're releasing cars and Seekers.

Which is all fine and well and good, but I don't

have any interest in Drift. I do like Blur. Blur

looks awesome, so I'll probably get him. Red

Alert. There's no way in hell that I would get

that toy. I got, I got them today and I love

them. Did the hood fall off? No, I mean, this

is actually probably, um, you know, Spada had

problems with his. This is the best design or

not, not, uh, I don't want to say best design,

but I mean, it's, it's the tightest of all of

this mold. I mean, I'm, it's like they went back

in time. and we're able to make this the very

first one. I don't have any mold degradation

with my figure. Yeah, that's cool. I don't know.

It's one of those things that for me, for Transformers,

it has to be a character that I absolutely want

in my collection. And Drift and Red Alert really

aren't doing it for me. Cup, maybe. But again,

I would have to see, obviously. If they release

a cup you have to get cop I Mean you can't have

you know, I love lamp that's I'm sorry That's

just for some reason saying cup a million different

times. Just I don't know squirrel The you got

to have coffee you have hot rod you have to have

cup with them you have to You gotta have springer

Oh hell no. Oh hell no. There's no way in hell.

First of all, at least out of all the springers

that we've had, I would not even waste my money

on the best one, which is the fan's project,

Warbot. And that would end up, and that I would

actually, unlike your unsuccessful attempts to

boil legend Starscream, that I would actually

set on fire. Yeah, that didn't work too well,

but yeah. Let's not talk about my shortcomings.

Let's continue on Steve, what do you think of

a potential cup? Honestly, I don't think it's

going to be cup but if it is I'm hopeful that

it will be a really good toy and likeness of

his Transformer the movie slash target Mac master

self. Mm -hmm Yeah, somebody I don't know who

it was but I was scrolling down the the post

Because underneath each of the news post that

shows the forum post that people have posted

and somebody said well What if it's a g2 car?

I don't think that they would do that In generate

because I don't know I mean drift is a comic

character, right? Yeah, yeah and red alert obviously

is g1 Blur is g1 Thrust and dirge are g1. So

outside of the war for Cybertron stuff. Do you

guys think that they would do? A G2 car in the

Generations line? No. You say G2, be specific.

What exactly do you mean by that? Generation

2. No, I know what Generation 2 is. I think he's

meaning like how they're doing laser prime. Oh.

What I mean is do you think that it could be

a green car, a green car character from Generation

2? Eww, he means like kind of the goofy paint

colors and all that. Yeah. I don't see why they

would do that. I wouldn't think so. I mean, they

still have to appeal to people to want to buy

them. I mean, I'm like, you know, the BotCon

G2 thing, which looks retarded. The only one

I would want out of that set if I ever had any

inclination to get the set would be Breakdown,

because he looks cool. You would have to get

me seriously stoned and or drunk. to look at

anything from that BotCom set and make me want

to buy it. I mean, but I mean, so you got to

take into consideration that these are going

to get a mass retail. And I don't think they're

going to make something completely ridiculously,

hideously, putrid, colored and ugly. And I don't

think they'll go that route. OK, that's fine.

I mean, we could be wrong. I mean, but. So did

you guys, I guess moving on here, our buddy Kevin,

Optimus Solo over at BehindTheVoiceActors .com,

he, Kevin's my Tooncast co -host, they actually

broke the news for the first two days of hub

programming is revealed. G1 is ready to roll.

Did you guys watch the little video clip? Yes.

I watched like half of it, then I got bored and

kind of just started skipping through different

spots. It's a minute thirty three. How the hell

can you get? Oh, wait. Yeah. It jumps around

through kid crap. Yeah. Yeah. Little kid crap.

I mean, I'm all for nostalgia and things of that

nature. But when I'm sitting there seeing My

Little Pony and Strawberry Shortcake, I'm like,

fuck it. I don't want to watch anymore. Yeah,

for me. I will find some other way to see Prime

if I even want to see Transformers Prime because

I'm not going broke paying for digital cable

just for one channel where I have the G1 DVDs

so I don't need to see G1 on TV I'm glad it is

coming back and for those people who can actually

you know afford digital cable and they can you

know teach their kids and all that but not just

gonna be G1 though I mean from what I understand

they're gonna be showing Vsauce too I have Beast

Wars DVDs, I have them all, so I don't need to

watch it on TV. I mean, this is just me personally.

I'm glad it's on TV. I'm not saying that I'm

not glad that it isn't on TV. But for me personally,

I'm already spending close to $100 for two cable

services. I'm not spending over that for three

services just to get one channel. What kind of

cable do you have where you're paying $100 for

what? And you only have basic cable? I have basic,

I have channels 2 through 99 and I have cable

broadband internet service. I have basic cable

like between 2 through 99 so chances are one

of those channels will be converted to the hub.

Well, do you have do you have the discovery network

or discovery? What is it? Well, then that's that's

what it's supposed to be. That's it's gonna be

switching from that to the hub When that's not

the discover not the discovery channel cuz there's

a yeah the kids discovery. Yeah kids discovery

Do you have that I believe so? Oh, then yeah,

you'll probably be fine Yeah And Mike honestly

within a couple hours It's going to be uploaded

on YouTube. Yeah. Oh, and you'd be able to download

it anyway. Right. Yeah, exactly. So it's. Yeah,

I know I don't blame you. I mean, if I didn't

have it, I probably wouldn't go out and. Like,

you know, like you, you know, spend extra money

just to get one channel, although there are,

you know, many other channels that are out there

that know and I know that, but I mean, just for

the cable company that's here in Louisville,

it just. Their prices are weird. You guys barely

just got color TV not too long ago, right? Shut

up, you asshole. Sorry. Continue on. That episode

83 of Toycast, where the most powerful collectors

in the universe will merge, you will so be on

that with another certain person. Just for that

comment, I swear to God, I will make you do it.

You know, you make it sound as if I can't hang

up the call or something. There's this magical

button that says goodbye. Yeah. Goodbye. Sounds

like AOL. Exactly. I'm going to log in there

and I'm going to say, hey guys, this is Pixel

Dan, and I'm going to click, gone. Anyhow, continue.

Sorry. You were the weakest link. Goodbye. Yeah.

Squirrel. So apparently, um, there's a Transformers

Prime sneak peek coming soon. Uh, the day's...

huh? I just... I was gasping in sheer excitement.

Uh -huh. The day's Sunday, 10, 10, 10, and the

time is 4 .30 PM. Remember the hub sneak peek

listed on the two -day schedule we saw earlier?

Well, that sneak peek is for Transformers Prime

and G .I. Joe Renegades. Transformers prime is

not seen on the first two days of programming,

but hopefully we'll get a good look at it on

Sunday 10 10 20 10 at 4 30 p .m. On listings

the preview show is named hub sneak peek gi Jaren

again and transformers prime so They're gonna

So what are they gonna do with this if if these

two cartoons are not actually premiering on hub

launch day They're gonna give us a sneak peek

of it And then what, premiere it January of 2011?

Why would they wait that long? Suspense. Dun

dun dun. Well, yeah, they did that with Transformers

Animated, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately.

Yeah. I don't know. 10 -10 -10 is a Sunday. I

honestly don't think you would get a lot of good

viewership on a Sunday. Well, this is just for

the sneak peek that they're gonna show But what

I'm asking is if it's not gonna law if the shows

aren't gonna launch on Sun on that on that date

When would they launch them because I mean the

people at hub have already said that prime is

not gonna be on launch date Or even launch week,

I think so The only other thing I can think of

is to follow like the The the sweeps thing maybe

they're gonna wait till November or They're gonna

be like Power Rangers and release it in February

because every February there used to be a new

Power Rangers series Can't believe you use Power

Rangers as a reference as sad as it is it's pretty

close and accurate Terrible well, I mean they

keep remaking transformers every couple years

And then it's something new and then it's something

new and it has nothing to do with the previous

series That's true So, I mean, they keep reinventing

it every few sagas. I think the last thing they

had that was actually, you know, completely tied

in with something was that stupid Armada, Energen,

Cybertron mix, and then before that we had Beast

Wars, Beast Machines, and Generation 1 that tied

together, so. That's true. They've hit filler

in between, so I'm guessing that this will be

another trilogy. Possibly. I mean, even Kurtzman

and Orsi have said that this is... I don't want

to necessarily say that it's set in the movie

-verse, but with those two people at the helm

of this whole thing, and they were doing the

first two live -action movies, I wouldn't be

surprised if it's kind of tied in a little bit

with that mythos. I believe they stated they

wanted Prime to go at least five seasons, which

is generally what... If a cartoon is successful,

the minimum time frame for a cartoon's lifespan

is five seasons, five years. So... You're gonna

have... I don't know, but I mean, you know, Transformers

Animated went for three seasons, and... Yeah,

but then Revenge of the Fucking Fallen came along

and fucking killed it. I... I... I... Okay. Sure.

Anyhow. Got a little hostile there for a second

I I'm happy that they killed it when it did There's

there's too many Times where things go for longer

than it should and I think I think I think it

was rushed there towards the end But I think

it got its message across very well and the story

was told decently. I thought I don't think it

needed to go much longer. It was like, well,

let's get a season four so we can get, you know,

more characters and we can see what the other

characters, like Rodimus and, you know... Hey,

hey, hey, watch it. I'm just saying, just saying.

I mean, all those other characters that debuted

that we only saw one time, whatever happened

to Rodimus? He, you know, got the cosmic rust.

Did he die? Oh, we need to have another episode.

You know, that's... You know, that's just dragging

it out then, I think. See, I don't think it would

have been dragging it out because, first of all,

you know, they would have to pay Judd to come

back. And I don't know if they, you know, I think

that's why Rodimus was only in five minutes of

one episode. Not necessarily. If they knew that

they were going to extend the series longer,

they probably wouldn't have even gotten Judd

to do The Voice in the first place. Okay, so

anyway, the main point is that because Revenge

of the Fallen came out animated, they just stopped

all promotion for animated whatsoever. Yes, we

did get those last few toys, which I'm sure all

the animated fans are grateful for those, but

I mean, as far as the cartoon goes, they just

kind of cut its legs out from under it, I think.

because you still had a whole bunch of things

that were not resolved at the end of that. I

don't think you can blame something like the

movie coming out. If anything, that would have

drove interest for the cartoon more. Because

all these kids are going to be wanting to go

see the movie. And then if you had a cartoon

that was out there, they would have wanted to

go see it. Now, granted, it didn't get advertised

very well. But to this date, I watched every

episode. seasons 1 through 2. I never saw a commercial

for Transformers animated. I saw some, but not

many. Moving on, I guess. We've got some more.

Hubworld official launch. Transformers Prime

character renders in games and more. And yeah,

I'm not too excited for this show. Well, I can't

say that I'm, like, not excited just to see how

it's going to go. However, I am not, like, 100

% enthusiastic, but, I mean, because they are

basically doing a movie mixed with animated.

Animated, yeah. Because, I mean, really, Bulkhead,

that's animated. Prime, he's got the movie -verse

look. Bulbabeast got the movie -verse look. Ratchet's

got the animated -ish look. You know, I mean,

and so on and so forth. They all are copying

something similar. You know, I mean, Starscream,

hell, his robot mode looks like animated pretty

much. And then again, they're entering the trifecta

of human kids. Armada, anyone? Yeah. I guarantee

you one of those human boys is gonna be another

fucking kicker No, I think the first one is the

Jackson Darby. They're going to attempt to make

more of a spike Miko I have no fucking clue unless

they're trying to copy something similar to the

new comics And that Raphael Raph or whatever

the hell his name is. I think they're going to

copy The kid that sat in the frickin wheelchair

Chip. Chip Chase, yeah. Well, the Miku character

could either be a copy of Sari or she could be

a version of Carly. I would lean more towards

Sari. But I mean, just in general, the animation

designs don't look that enthusiastic, you know,

that great to me. I'm not that enthused, but...

I will give it a shot considering it does have

the voice talent of Walker and Cohen involved.

Yeah, I just wish that it would... Yeah, I just

wish that we would actually see something other

than Bumblebee jumping around and punching people.

That's all Bumblebee's good at. That's true,

too. Yeah. Let's do a flip punch jump. Okay,

I'm done. At least the... at least bulkhead i

said this to paul off air a few hours ago i said

you know at least bulkhead has actual fucking

hands yeah he looks halfway decent too and if

you look at the robot mode for prime and bumblebee

they're pretty much the same design outside of

prime not having the wings like bumblebee does

are the doors in the back but I mean if you look

at their arms their arms are exactly the same

except primes are a little less bulky I don't

know bumblebee looks like he's got wheels in

his shoulder and prime doesn't I I'm not sure

if I like prime bulkhead I like The design for

bumblebee Yeah, they obviously couldn't get a

GM's Schematic for that so they had to create

something very similar that they couldn't get

in trouble for Ratchet I think it should looks

pretty damn good a nice update to the original

Megatron I see that they tried to more so instead

of get the movie verse look they tried to make

some more G1 into it War for Cybertron. Yes,

which I do like that they did that because Megatron

is one of the fogliest robots in the Transformers

movies Soundwave I I could leave that I could

I could bury that in my backyard and forget about

it just because it looks but ugly Starscream

looks like some kind of a zombie stick figure

and And the humans aren't set enough for more

detail than half the Decepticons. Yeah. So I'm

not that enthused with the designs already. I

just... In a way, I wish that... I know this

won't happen anytime soon. I wish they'd go back

to the Beast era. Just need to drop that idea,

Steve, because like you already said, there's

no way that it's going to happen anytime soon.

No, but I can dream. Yeah. Very big dreams. I'm

just kind of confused because I'm looking at

some of these and I'm seeing nice CGI renders

of how they look and then I look at like bulkhead

and he looks like a cartoon. I would rather see

him look like bulkhead, honestly. Sound waves

a cartoon and then you know like you look at

Optimus Prime and you have a cartoon version

of his truck and then you have a CGI version

of his robot mode I don't understand what kind

of aesthetic they're actually trying to go for

They're going for the weird kind. Yeah, it's

gonna be a combination of both And you're gonna

like it and you can't do anything about it. I'm

gonna shove it down your throat and you're gonna

take it And more than one way That's right. Mike,

say your famous phrase. Wait, what famous phrase?

About raping your childhood. Oh yeah. My childhood

has been raped. Michael Bay continually rapes

our childhoods just like Starscream rapes giant

metal bugs. Oh my god. Michael Bay, make a change

and me me me me me me me me. RC has a special

bond with Optimus Prime. And it says go to girl.

That's what it says on her profile. Oh Really

I am dead serious on the on the hub world website.

That's what it says for her profile As the least

flawed of the Autobots she's she's the one they

can always count on oh Yeah, I'm sure that's

how what they count on her for oh, I'm sorry.

I went a little too far well She doesn't have

that many curves. She looks like she's fucking

anorexic, so... There's no porn there. Well,

she's... She's the stick figure edition. She's

the stump figure edition. There's nothing that

you can make out of a motorcycle, for the love

of Pete! Oh, and Bumblebee's gonna have a voice

box damage, and he talks and bleeps and blurts.

Oh, that's gonna be cute. Yeah, it's gonna be

an asinine little tool. I could just... I don't

know. Yeah, I don't know either. I think I'm

going to burn this show to the ground. And the

other thing about this show that I don't like

is that they have fucking... Ortsman and Kurt's

Boy. executive producing it. I don't like that

whatsoever. Regardless of what leash Michael

Bay held on them, I am sorry. These guys have

no iota of Transformers fiction, good Transformers

fiction behind them whatsoever. That's not fair.

I don't care if it's not fair. They can't write

Transformers fiction for shit. I write better

Transformers fiction, but um... That's besides

the fact. That's being cocky. But I'll give it

a shot. I'm not saying I'm going to like it,

but I will at least give it three episodes. If

I cannot stand it past the three episodes that

I will be watching on YouTube, then I'll just

take it or leave it. And then I'll basically

give my final, you know, F you on this show.

It just. It's one of those things where You know

the whole thing when when back in 07 or 06 when

we first heard news of the first movie and Heard

these guys are gonna write this and and you know,

I'm not gonna knock them on other Writing it

they are not writing it. No, I'm not talking

about this. I'm talking about TF1 Back in 2006

when they it was first announced that they were

going to be writing the movie. Thank you Okay,

um Outside of their other stuff that I've seen

them do or seen the other shows that they've

written for like alias and obviously 09 Star

Trek But when it was first announced, they're

like, oh we're you know Like Alex was this huge

Transformers fan and he knows this and he knows

that and he can really write a good script and

everything else well You're working for fucking

Michael Bay. Michael Bay is gonna have the last

fucking word or anything that he does. So your

script and your vision is gonna get torn to shit.

Any script that anybody could come up with could

be, you know, a fantastic script. But you have

to be able to take that script and make it functional

and real world. compatible i remember people

bitching and moaning because megatron in the

first transformers movie didn't transform into

a gun well that's stupid i mean right okay and

i'm not gonna i'm not gonna argue that point

with you because i understand they have to make

it realistic for the real world and that's fine

but my main complaint with curtsy and orzman

or whatever the fuck their damn names are uh...

is that you know they claim to be these big transformers

fans and can write all this good fiction and

while the while the movie was the first movie

was okay and yes the writers strike very much

hindered the second movie they barely had anything

to do with the second movie but they just didn't

even step up to the plate on that i i don't know

it's about if you're gonna bitch about anybody

You should probably bitch about that third guy,

and I don't even remember what his name was.

Aaron something. Yeah, the dude who's now in

charge of the third Transformers movie. I mean,

because Kurtzman and Orsi were gone, and it was

Michael Bay and this other guy that locked themselves

in a hotel room to try to get as much of it done

as possible. And while I don't think Bay is one

of the best directors in the world, he knows

what he's doing in order to sell a movie. I mean,

as much as we want to sit there and bitch and

complain about Revenge of the Fall and not being

a good movie, it still made a crap ton of money,

which obviously means it appealed to certain

people, not necessarily Transformer fans. And

that's one thing that people, I think, really

forget in this fandom, that these movies are

not being made for us. They are being made for

the entire world. My mom, who hates Transformers

and hated buying them for me as a kid, loved

the movies. I liked them when I first saw them,

but after subsequent viewings, I liked them less

and less. Well, I mean these aren't movies that

are epic proportion that are gonna stand the

test of time and get better and better every

time you see him like Forrest Gump or something

but They perform their function adequately. They

made a shit ton of money and They sold a shit

ton of product and made a shit ton of money for

everybody involved. I mean hell I think wasn't

it? I can't remember the exact number, but I

want to say something along the lines of that

Michael Bay gets 5 % of all Transformers toy

sales from the movie. I mean, there's a lot of

money running around out there. And I'm sure

there is. And Michael Bay, on his own, outside

of Transformers, I like several of his films.

But he, you know, Steve told me a while ago,

and I agree with this. And I think we've said

this on this show before. Michael Bay Shouldn't

have been given transformers Michael Bay should

have been given GI Joe and had somebody else

do transformers He could have done the first

film and That's it They should have gave the

reins over to somebody else because then he would

be setting the bar Right, but who do you get

I mean Michael Bay is is fairly successful when

it comes to big budget movies But the problem

is Michael Bay sucks on the military's dick.

And the Transformers, you know, I understand

putting it into real life and all that stuff

because it's a real, it's a movie and it's not

a cartoon and all that, but the Transformers

really just, I don't know. I mean, I understand

what you're saying. And I mean, and I agree with

you. And it's always one of those things where

he tries to cater to the military. I just get

so frustrated with people who want to complain

and bitch about the movies and how everybody

hates the movie verse, and I'm like, why? I don't

understand why you can't just accept what it

is, accept that it's in the real world, well,

I mean, as real world as possible, and just accept

it. I mean, there are still people that think

that the unicorn trilogy was good. Full of those

people ought to be taken out back and shot. It

just depends on what you grew up with. I've been

alive, I don't know how old either of you guys

are. Yes, you know how old I am. I'm two years

younger than you. Okay, well, alright, there

you go. I mean, I've grown up with every form

of Transformers that's been in existence. Right.

I see the entire spectrum. I see it all. I love

G1. And I even said in my video there, Mike,

that you saw that G1's not even my favorite in

terms of storytelling or anything. G1 did a terrible

job telling stories. People sit there and bash

that as much as they're bashing the storytelling

in Revenge of the Fallen. I'm like, huh? It makes

no sense to me. I just think, like Steve said,

if you want to get the franchise going, Fine.

Bay did the first film. After that, regardless

of the writer's strike, it should have been somebody

else's vision to take over. Because I don't like

the way that Revenge of the Fallen went. and

if prime is any indication by the designs and

again we haven't seen anything out like i said

i said a second of a little while ago we haven't

seen anything other than mobile be transforming

and flipping around and punching the screen but

i can but reading all these bios i mean it sounds

i mean bumblebee is going to take away he's going

to be fucking r2d2 oh god that's the other fucking

thing that pisses me off Yeah, I don't that's

that's kind of lazy and I don't like the fact

that when when bumblebee does talk He's got a

British accent that I don't get that that makes

no sense to me, but I don't know British accents

we covered on here Oh got a couple I think it

was it wasn't it was an episode 50 last episode

That there was a new story on TFW about Dan Gilva's

And Dan Gilvazan believes that Hasbro and everybody

else, because Volkswagen wants nothing to do

with Transformers, that he has just been completely

forgotten as far as the voice of Bumblebee, because

apparently Bumblebee will always be the Camaro

now. Which I think is very friggin' sad. You

know, you've got... Especially cartoon verse

movie verse fine, but you know in a new cartoon

You're gonna have the one of the major characters

like his mobile B is a major character And you're

not gonna have the guys original friggin voice

actor come back and do lines. You can bring back

cry You can bring back calling and Welker to

voice their original roles in the cartoon which

hasn't been done in 26 years that they've worked

together on it on a cartoon You know, but you

can't bring back the original voice of Bumblebee?

That's fucked up. Why do you have to, though?

It's not about having to. It's about not keeping

the whole thing. Like, a cartoon Bumblebee needs

to have a voice. Movie -verse Bumblebee, if you

want to just have him bleeping and making radio

stations, fine. That's fine in the actual films.

But a cartoon Bumblebee... As popular as Bumbley

is of a character, you need to give him a voice

and not have him do the R2 -D2 shit. I would

agree with that. I mean, I don't... I think he

needs a voice, period. I don't think he needs

to be anybody specific. Well, yeah, but what

I'm saying is it would be nice if they would

extend that to Gil Vizan. Sure, but I mean that's

only gonna be a nod to us people that remember

him from g1 works You ask a 13 year old boy who

likes transformers you ask him I mean I saw the

when I posted my review for the new unicorn I

had people sitting there saying why do you like

him so much? He doesn't look anything like unicorn

I'm like, what are you talking about? And they're

like he doesn't look anything like energon unicorn.

I'm like, there's your fucking problem right

there So, you know The fact that Welker and Colin

are coming back and doing the voices is just

a nod to us. That's all it really is. I agree

he needs to have a voice, but I don't think you

need to make a stink about who it is. The guy

who did the voice for Bumblebee in the War for

Cybertron game would be fine. Johnny Young Bosch.

I would love to see that, but my main point about

the whole Gil Vizan thing is that I think it's

very sad. that Hasbro and whoever this new production

company will be on TF Prime that, you know, they're

not paying the guy any respect of anything. Yes,

it would just be a nod to us, but wouldn't you

like to hear Gil Vizana as Bumblebee again outside

of G1? It depends on how he sounds. It depends

on how he sounds. It sounds like he's always

sounded. I mean, it's not, you know... Yeah,

I mean look look at the reasoning that was given

for why Frank Welker wasn't used for the the

movie version of Megatron I mean, we don't know

how he sounds he might not necessarily have that

same No, I mean it's kind of pointless to even

discuss because they don't want them to have

a voice They want them that beep and you know

fart all the time, which is stupid Yeah, no,

I completely agree. I mean he's Bumblebee has

become a gigantic character almost as as big

as Optimus Prime himself to a lot of these new

fans that are coming in it you know he was always

kind of big back in the G1 days and everything

but he really wasn't all that major of a character

to me if you look at I don't think was Bumblebee

wasn't in the unicorn trilogy was he? No. That

shot pretty much filled that role. Oh god let's

not go there Fucking hot shot, Jesus Christ.

If you look at Bumblebee from G1 to animated

to the movie almost on every... Well, not really

G1 DVD. If you look at DVDs from animated to

and then merchandising for the movie, the animated

DVDs almost... Every cover of the three animated

DVDs that we do have season one season two and

then the transforming rollout film It's got bumblebee

on the front cover for the most part and the

movie verse You've got transforming bumblebee

DVD cases from target. You've got bumblebee helmets.

You've I mean bumblebee is everywhere Really

honestly for the movie verse the two main biggest

characters are optimus and bumblebee You know

Optimus and Bumblebee merchandise everywhere

You know kind of kind of going back and I just

kind of thought about this because I was talking

about this with my girlfriend who is Not not

a very huge transformer fan but which kind of

ironic but you were talking about how Michael

Bay could have done the first movie and then

You know left it for someone else I was going

to mention this earlier when it was more relevant

but I got distracted or something. You're talking

about Bumblebee and everything. My girlfriend

was like, why is Sam so upset that Optimus Prime

died? And I'm like, what do you mean? And she's

like, well, because wasn't he more friends with

Bumblebee in the first movie? And I'm like...

Yeah, that kind of makes sense. She's like it

doesn't even seem like you know Bumblebee is

his protector in the second movie So she was

talking about how the you know Michael Bay, you

know did a good job with the first movie and

then the second movie the The background stuff.

I mean in sequels you get more, you know background

on the characters or anything She's like I don't

feel I got any of that stuff with this, you know,

it's just like everything is thrown out at you

You're just supposed to accept that there's no

character development and you're looking at the

you know I mean there was more character development

than first one where you've got the boy in his

first car and you know that relationship and

then all of a sudden in the second one that disappears

and It's you know, I mean granted he would always

scream You know always scream for his help, but

it just didn't seem very good But bumblebee really

has taken center stage almost almost even oddly

Enough more so than optimist prime optimist prime

is just there Yeah, you know in terms of a merchandising

like you were saying in terms of a merchandising

and Promotional value it's always about bumblebee,

but I wonder how much that has to do with actually

GM's influence and Trying to sell the new Camaro

The other thing is and well and on Steve you

got to weigh in on this as well but the other

thing is bumblebee pretty much is Supposed to

be the character for kids. That's why the merchandising

is all bumblebee stuff because supposedly Bumblebee

is supposed to be the kid character for every

kid to to To compare with to be you know to be

close with or whatever the hell it is. I don't

know. What do you think Steve? I think that Pretty

much they, I mean that's just the younger characters

basically how they're portraying them. So this,

you know, battle hardened, you know, spy, they

just, they have them pretty much since G1. He's

just been one of those characters that they just

have associated with the humans. And I think

that it holds true for the you know it continues

to go on through each series He just happens

to be that one that all the kids cling to That

is very true Poor Bumblebee. I just hope to God

they do not bring in Hot Rod into the movie verse

because then I will really Go on a rampage. Me

and Proto Mail kill Michael Bay I heard something

about that for the third film, and... Yeah, let's

not go there. There you brought RC, and I heard

Ultra Magnus might make an appearance. He might,

you never know. That and I like pushing Mike's

buttons to get him steamed, so that's... Yeah,

yeah, yeah. I'll just pile on the podcast work

for your ass, that's all. You know what I'll

do to it? Delete it. Delete it. No, there's no

fucking delete it. You're gonna force me to sit

there and talk to pixel Dan. Oh, no Whatever

am I gonna do? Do we have any other transformer

stuff we want to bring up I Want to get some

Beast Wars figures that and Beast Machines figures

that are insanely expensive that I can't afford

Where are you looking? Everywhere. Really? Yes.

Check out the Big Bad Toy Store vintage department.

Uh, no. Why not? They're pricey. That I'm trying

to, well, I'm trying to figure out. This is my

current project. As you can recall, I am Toycast

49 .5 or whatever it was. I made my own Batman

Beyond Return of the Joker Joker figure. Ooh.

Yes, I used a Nightwing figure and a wild card

Justice League Unlimited Joker and He came from

the three pack I'd used the head from that one

and then the The body of night scream and then

painted it at all and sanded down the hair and

all that It was pretty short. It didn't come

out 100 % perfect, but it came out damn enough

that it's along my collection now But My current

project is I want to make a accurate Beast Machines

Megatron in the cloak. Oh, yeah, you'll never

be able to do that. This is the thing. I may

end up getting another Transmetal Two Dragon

to experiment with, like a Cheever One, even

if it's a knockoff. But I do have the head Megatron

that transforms into a robot, as well as the

Actual Beast Machines cloaked figure which if

and I've thought about this if I pop the head

off of the other one off of the ship one There's

a magnetic piece on the top of his head so it's

actually the Beast Wars head for Megatron and

then there's a magnetic piece which attaches

that Helmet that goes over him when he goes into

the cloak, right? So I was thinking even if I

replace part of that It made like the other one,

the smaller one into it and figured out some

way of coupling arms to it and extending the

bottom to cover the dragon feet that somehow

I could basically recreate the mega figure into

the more accurate These Machines version. Yeah,

that would be nice, but that would be cool. You

got a lot of work ahead of you, though. Yeah.

Unfortunately, I don't know what the hell I'm

doing, so I'm going to have to do a lot of experimenting

and looking into other people's physical projects

on it. May the Schwartz be with you. Get out

of my Winnebago. I want to win a bagel. I'm so

glad that people actually can get that reference.

Of course. Actually, the Schwartz will be making

an appearance in MWIRE episode 75 .5. Very nice.

Death has come to me. What? What? The cat of

death has come to me. That's a don. So let's

all pause and wait till Octobotamus screams his

head off. No, I'm hoping she's kind of sitting

here and staring at me. I'm hoping she'll want

to... lay down lay down sleep sleep okay so other

transformer stuff do we want to bring up anything

else uh nope i don't i don't really think so

i mean there's not much else uh nothing really

other than i'm involved in a project but yeah

mike's not overly thrilled with it but no i'm

not because it doesn't really it doesn't anyway

yeah we're not going to bring that up on air

he he's involved with the voiceover project which

i'm i'm happy that he's doing it but i don't

really support the project all is it porn no

are you going to go dot only if michael dot's

involved oh god yeah paul won't get that reference

it's still creepy though no it's not it's not

porn we will tell you all fair steve why don't

you close the show And for now, I am Alpha and

Omega, closing out the show. Excellent. Yes.

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