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to the geek cast radio network Hello and welcome

to Altered Geek Unlimited, episode 88. I'm your

host, Steve Megatron Phillips, and joining me

this week is... Michael Booth, Ninja Powers.

Heyo. How are you doing, sir? Doing pretty good.

Good thing we had that episode in the can for

last week. Good thing it was in the can... Also,

I'm rather relieved that it appears that nobody

has listened to it. Which I don't know. I've

gotten numbers on it. There's been 53, but. It's

that's fine. The wrath that I thought I would

receive has not come down, so. Which, you know,

pleases me because I don't like dealing with

that stuff. So because I mean at the end of the

day my opinion is my opinion it shouldn't do

I I've never I don't think I ever Are you when

I share opinion? I don't think I ever really

tried to convince That My opinion is right over

somebody else's because they're just opinions.

It's not like we're arguing science or yeah facts

You know most stuff in geek culture is just all

about personal taste. It's not a you know So

I think I just, you know, that's the way I looked

at it. I know I got, there was a little bit of

a, I was talking with Kevin the other night on

Twitter about the Thor movies. I don't know if

you saw any of that in the... No, I missed it.

It was like, it was like late. It was like 12,

31 o 'clock in the morning. We were having a

discussion about the Thor movies, but, you know,

it just came down to, you know, his opinion versus

my opinion and... So we weren't like arguing

or anything. I stopped. I kind of jumped out

of the conversation because I don't like having

conversations like that on Twitter. Makes sense.

Because I feel like you need more than 140 characters

like every, you know, a couple of minutes plus

stuff gets lost being text only and. You can

sound like you're being condescending when you're

not actually being condescending and all this

other stuff So I just I prefer not to have conversations

like that, you know in person I basically my

my whole opinion of the whole thing my personal

opinion was that the Thor movies Don't get the

same have not received the same treatment as

other Marvel movies They're kind of in in my

personal opinion I can equate them to like The

cars version like you know cars I like the movie

cars from Pixar like I find it to be watchable

But it's not my favorite by any stretch of the

imagination. It's actually like at the bottom

of my Towards the bottom of my picks our favorites

list and then the Thor movies are right there,

too Like Thor the Thor movies are perfectly washable

But they're not they haven't received the same

their scripts or something about them just doesn't

does not have the same polish as like the rest

of the Marvel movies. Like, for example, like

Captain America, the first Avenger and the first

Thor movie, they're kind of like neck and neck

with each other in terms of like finding them

like overly cheesy or they all or they both look

like they're rush jobs because there are things

about both of them that I find to be cringe worthy.

But there is no comparison for Winter Soldier

and The Dark World. No, like Winter Soldier is

a superior movie and Dark World is only marginally

better than the first Thor movie And I don't

know if that's like a result of the character

or the director or the writers that they have

for the Thor movies I don't know what it is,

but there's just in my personal opinion They

haven't received the same type of treatment the

Thor movies are I feel like they're just there

so Because they're in Hemsworth's contract Which

is funny that you say that screen junkies actually

came out with a video The guys that do the honest

trailers mm -hmm And they got one of the writers

of Thor to watch the honest trailer of Thor Okay

Which was actually kind of funny because They

made him sit through it to kind of pick his brain

about it, kind of make fun of the movie. And

they were like, yeah, pretty much. Because the

guys of Honest Trailers nailed it on the head

of that, yeah, it was just there to kind of set

him up and really was kind of exactly what it

was. It was more so leading up to the Avengers

movie. Maybe basically admitted that in the video.

So it was kind of funny to see that. Yeah in

cap in the first Captain America is the same

way I mean those those movies were both announced

at the exact same time They were both like rushed

through production to be out before Avengers

Just so audiences knew what these people were.

It's just that when it came time to do the sequels

Captain America, I feel like got better Got the

better of the two And I don't I don't think very

many people will argue that winter soldier is

a better movie than the dark dark world. So But

yeah, I was just you know, that's just like the

thing I was just sharing my opinion and I kind

of bowed out of the conversation saying, you

know It's like I'm not arguing over I'm not like

saying that you're right or you know that you're

right or wrong or that I'm right or wrong I'm

just sharing he voiced an opinion online. I said

I'm just sharing my opinion. So Anyways But yeah,

you have a new child, Steve. Yes, I do. How's

that treating you? Uh, pretty good. He's, you

know, newborn, so he's not gonna sleep all that

well at night, but he's doing better a weekend.

He was born last Wednesday, 11 .45 at night,

and then we didn't actually get to go to sleep

until like 3 .30 in the morning, so... I had

actually the funny thing was is I edited that

interview that we did with Olivia I Think that

Tuesday like the day before and I put it on my

Microsoft OneDrive account and So while I was

in in the hospital and there was nothing going

on I connected to the Wi -Fi downloaded it to

my phone that uploaded it to the server and then

I had Mike throw together a Like TFG one I had

him throw together a post and then I went in

and tweaked it on my phone And then set it to

publish for the next day. So Because I had a

feeling I was not going to be home which was

true Well partially true. I did get to actually

go home the next day to let the dog out and I

had to record a voiceover for somebody and then

Do something else so I was at my computer Like

11 12 o 'clock at night that Thursday, but Yeah,

it was it was not a very productive week as far

as podcasting but yeah, he's he's doing really

well though and How's like this one's I think

this one's gonna take after my hair color which

is actually funny because the other one my older

one takes after my wife's hair hair color, so

And how's the wife doing? She's doing good. She

didn't have to have c -section this time. So

she's really happy good deal Yes All right, so

geek stuff is geek stuff Came out this week Actually,

well between yesterday and today that there were

some up fronts For like CW's new DC shows and

Supergirl was finally revealed to the world beyond

just a picture and casting announcements Is there

any particular one you care to talk about first?

I'm more intrigued about the CW one, but I'm

interested in the CBS one as well. I feel like

there's less to say about Supergirl, so we could

probably talk about that one first. Yeah, I liked

actually getting to see her in action and they

kind of threw her into the almost Clark Kentish

role in that scenario, but it wasn't really even

that. It was like it's supposed to be I kind

of inferred that it was like in a fashion place

or something I mean, she's just a generic or

some kind of corporate office where yeah the

boss is a bitch and She's actually a nerdy like

kind of ditch their kids. I got the the devil

wears Prada vibe That's kind of what I was thinking

too. So I'm I'm looking forward to it. It looks

better than I thought I was gonna look But I

had no expectations going into it in the first

place. To be honest, when it comes to Supergirl,

the only thing that I'm you know, I'm kind of

geeking out about is the fact that CBS also has

partial ownership of the CW. Which means that

there could be a crossover. Yeah, I mean, there's

been like rumblings like here and there, because

it's the same showrunners slash creators of Flash

and Arrow. So it's. CBS just decided to pick

the show up over CW, which is weird when you

think about it, because it feels like you've

got a female lead. I feel like that could do

some serious damage on CW. But it doesn't have

the visual vibe of CW to it. CW has that certain

look to everything they do. Yeah, but even this

is just taking the... I'm willing to bet it opens

up with the same narration style as the CW series.

Wouldn't doubt it Because I feel like it's I

feel like it's gonna be a CW show on seat on

CBS like with Primetime visuals because this

this is gonna be a primetime show. Oh, yeah,

so I They already said it's gonna butt up against

Gotham Yeah, so we'll see how that goes. Maybe

it'll force Gotham off the air But which it's

kind of counterintuitive if you think about it

because they're all DC WB properties Yeah, but

still competing networks, so yeah It'll be interesting

to see I that's that's what I'm holding out Hope

I'm gonna watch it in the hopes that it will

cross over because I know that if I'm not watching

it and they do Cross over then I'm just gonna

have to start watching it Yes, that's just the

way that I am like I watched warehouse 13 and

then it crossed over with Eureka, so they did

it for like They did the arrow flash thing where

they crossed over for two episodes. But I had

to stop at those two episodes of Warehouse 13

and go watch all four seasons of Eureka up to

that point. So that I just I would know just

so I would have have a better understanding of

what may or may not be happening in those two

episodes. And that's just that's just me. I know

some people aren't crazy like that. So. Don't

have a problem with any of the casting or maybe

because I don't know a lot of the characters

other than You know Kara and Jimmy Olsen I Will

say I'm wondering how much of that all of what

we saw is in the pilot Versus spread over a couple

of episodes because it felt very action -heavy

Yeah Like I see this being very much Because

it's like a primetime show. I wonder how much

it's gonna devolve into that Oh the best analogy

I can think of off the top my head is like Mighty

Morphin Power Rangers You know what I'm saying

where it's like they yeah, they do everything

they can and then like the last five minutes

she'll become Supergirl or Are there times where

she'll be like Supergirl for like a majority

episode? You know what I'm saying? Like yeah,

well is the general public and I say the general

public because it's on CBS versus CW is the general

public actually ready for Superhero and this

is and this is also a different type of superhero

than they're getting on agents of shield It's

a real superhero But yeah, so it's it's it's

interesting. There's also the big rumor floating

around again This also goes back to the CW and

I've heard it in conjunction conjunction with

Supergirl is that? One mr. Tom Welling Might

be reprising his role as Superman Which would

be funny because they've in the trailer. They've

already teased that You know Superman exists,

you know, this is from your cousin Mm -hmm, you

know Clark or whatever and I do like that her

earth mom is played by the original Supergirl

Mm -hmm, and her earth dad is Dean Cain. I know

that's so awesome That those kind of nods are

are cool for the for the for the fan. It's so

well the funny it kind of almost is like the

The the guy that plays the flash is dad on the

flash. I mean, it's that kind of a nod. Yeah,

exactly. So Which is weird because you know what?

You know what else is interesting? another reason

that we might actually end up with a crossover

is because I think The flash that his dad was

the flash of was a CBS show Hmm, wasn't it? I

Believe so. I think it was I believe that was

a CBS series. So it'd be interesting Now I also

I know they've also talked about I know you can

see in some stuff for The flash like in those

opening sequences when they're he's doing it's

like voiceover narration stuff. You can see the

Daily Planet from Smallville One of the buildings

as like an Easter egg. That's funny So there's

there's just there's just rumors and obviously

with the flash and time travel and stuff like

that It's not too far of a jump to do reality

hopping. So I think you could get Tom Welling

Superman without it affecting the fact that there's

two different green arrows Yeah so It's all it's

all interesting to see how this is Coming together

as far as like across TV shows. This is this

is exciting, too I think this might be a little

more exciting than the movies Like movies doing

this kind of thing. I think that this this lends

itself better to do a connected universe Yeah,

Marvel's done wonderfully with their films Connecting

them all together in essence because they all

still stand on their own But they they don't

feel like I don't know they they feel like they're

in the universe because they have to connect

to Avengers, but they at the same time they don't

really Right at a lot of points. Whereas with

DC what they're doing with their their TV shows

other than Gotham It seems very Melted together

and there's there's lots of ties to other stuff

you know, they've mentioned in an arrow like

Bloodhaven, which is Nightwing's territory and

You know, in Flash they mentioned Ferris Error

with Green Lantern. You know, already they have

the Atom and I guess in the Flash season finale

they're going to have Hot Girl show up. That's

interesting. I'm kind of, so... And that Rip

Hunter, I believe. That'll be interesting. Which

I've never heard of the character before, looking

him up earlier this afternoon when the trailer

dropped. Yeah, no, I appreciate the I feel like

that for some reason just leaving on the same

network from the same showrunners and creators

and whatnot I feel like the the interconnectivity

that I want out of like the Marvel movies or

or DC's upcoming movies I Feel like I'm getting

that in the TV shows and that makes me happy

because you know at any moment Barry could pop

in like to arrow And do something and then take

off and they don't have to do a lot to explain

why he's there It's just subtle little things

and you know Barry roll reference in air in flash

Barry roll reference his cameo in arrow You know,

even if it was like a little thing Here and there

so and in fact, one of my favorite cameos of

the entire season Well of this entire TV season

that we've just had is in the final episode of

arrow So that gives you something to look forward

to Yeah, I know I know Barry shows up, but I

don't know much more than that. It's fantastic

Like that's that's what I'm talking about It's

like they write themselves the fact that they

have this connected these two shows are connected

to each other It's like when they wouldn't they

write them so I'm gonna say this by much I'm

not this isn't what they did But it's like when

they get them when they write themselves into

a hole They can get themselves out of it with

a means that doesn't feel forced because that

they have all these interconnectivities right

so like for just an example uh not really too

much of a spoiler because you've seen the second

to last episode of arrow correct yes okay barry

gets them out of their predicament yeah i knew

that yeah so and that and that's cool In the

flash arrow Tells Barry he says you owe me one

Yeah, see that sets that up, but that that see

where arrow is in the end of flash makes less

sense than the flash being an arrow But that's

only because of how season 3 for arrow has been

complete and utter garbage But we could talk

about that in a little bit so Supergirl we're

both looking forward to that. Will you be you'll

check it out, right? Obviously Oh yeah. Yeah,

okay. The other big one was Legends, or is it

DC's Legends of Tomorrow? It's just Legends of

Tomorrow. Okay, because sometimes I see it written.

The Legends of Tomorrow. Okay, all right. I just

have to say I'm all for this. I will go ahead

and give some credit where it's due. My buddy

on Off the Cuff, Art Danner, just he predicted

the villain like a month ago in our private chat

on Facebook for Off the Cuff. So that was that

was surprising. And then in in true Altered Geek

fashion today, today they announced White Canary.

For which I don't get how they're doing that

But I mean I understand what they're doing, but

I don't understand why they're calling her that

I Think it's just a way of Differentiating the

two I don't know see yeah that that goes into

what we can talk about here in a second which

was my overall prediction Versus both we got

But yeah, so they revealed the white canary because

everyone's for a while. We've known that Katie

lots Yep is going to be in this TV show and everyone's

kind of like well What is she gonna be is she

you know blah blah blah now? We know she's a

character known as the white canary and so I

You and I were talking about on Twitter about

this and I kind of put that with what I had read

about the series and the characters that they

were putting in it and I thought That it was

going to be Like a reality hopping series So

that they could basically they would Sarah would

come back Sarah Lance would come from another

dimension Where I theorize that maybe Laura Lance

was dead Hence the whole white canary thing like

she's just from another dimension Because you

know, they've set stuff weirder things up than

that plus it's a DC series. So obviously there's

multiple universes And I see I almost thought

that they were going to With the with the Time

traveler like pluck them the moment before they

die from wherever now see that's another interesting

thing too because The comic that I told you about

the x -men comic exiles, that's what happens

When the when the characters are about to I believe

it's when they are about to die they are unhinged

from time and They're put on this team and there's

always like five of them They're there all these

random characters are thrown together on a team

to travel to different universes to Correct what's

wrong with said universe? And it's a really interesting

series because the team is always changing and

you get to go to like all these What -if universes

like what if the Hulk was dr. Doom? Oh Like that's

cool like crazy. They get to do crazy stuff like

that. I'm like I thought that that's what this

would be You know, but maybe this white canary

was plucked from a different timeline, you know

like so Anyways, we were having this conversation

making crazy predictions back and forth and then

The trailer dropped they dropped the trailer

and I I know I mean we've got our tweets like

timestamped and stuff like this so when you know,

I Did not see the trailer before we I started

commenting with you about it and I people want

to call me a liar. That's fine. They can call

me a liar, but I'm telling the truth and For

the most part we we Pretty much got what the

entire series was going to be. I mean I was wrong

about the reality hopping thing and But they

are gonna go back and forth through time to fight

Vandal Savage, which is cool in different time

periods I But I dislike I'm a little bit biased

here, but I liked my idea for Sarah Lance being

alive more than the one that we're getting well

This this is what I don't get about it She's

been dead for months. And then they dump her

in the Lazarus pit just, you know, when they

could have done this earlier, rather than have

that entire arc of, oh, we have to kill, you

know, the killer of Sarah and have, you know,

it basically nulls the entire third season. Hang

on, let me, yeah, let me go find my tweet on

this matter. because i think i had a pretty good

one because they had the whole macguffin on it

i mean it just it really does it makes it makes

it so that from the inception of season three

like so yeah my tweet was so season three of

arrow was so bad the creators hooked up another

series to undo the pivotal plot point to send

arrow seat that sent arrow season three on its

downward spiral Like this is this to me is Like

You know you have in basically, okay? Marvel's

Civil War right you have the issue where? Peter

reveals to the entire world that he's spider

-man right and it's this oh crap moment well

later on in a later book something crazy happens

in a spider -man book that resets time and So

now he gets his secret identity back Like, it

undoes the biggest pivotal moment, one of the

bigger pivotal moments of Civil War. Well, I

mean, hell, they could have almost had that Rip

Hunter guy go back in time and then stop Thea

from shootin' her, or Barry could have just ran

back in time. Of course, there are things here

that we're kind of like... We're assuming that

all of this stuff happens chronologically, right?

Assuming, yes. Again, we're dealing with time

travel here. So who's to say? They don't jump

back to that moment In and get her right when

she's dead Yeah, like like when they're about

to bury her they just they go dig her up right

with them and murder Yeah, like who I'm not saying

like they do I'm saying like maybe the time traveler

traveler does yeah, which would make sense I

mean, there's their time and see the crazy thing

is we're thinking of Time the way most humans

do which is chronologically and we're thinking

of this series as being You know laid out Chronologically

as well when now they're throwing in the whole

time travel thing. I mean they've done it with

barry They've never done it with a guy that can

do it at will so It's going to be interesting

to see where this picks up and So i'm really

i'm i'm looking forward to this because it looks

funny first of all and Any opportunity I have

to get more Barry Allen Yes is is fine by me

I don't think he's gonna be a major part of the

team I think he and arrow are gonna both kind

of jump in here or there That's what I mean,

though Like any chance I have to get more of

him like I'll take it like he's gonna have his

own show But he'll show up there like he does

on arrow. So I Think the beauty of this show

to it with the time jumping As you could see

like a Older Barry Allen or older Oliver Queen

and their later costumes Like their finalized

costumes at some point even before they are in

their regular show Yeah, and this also gives

us a way of seeing again. I said it before a

way of seeing, you know, mr. Willing as Superman

I mean it isn't you have to be the Superman from

Smallville He could just be playing Superman.

Yeah Which would be cool. So maybe he'll actually

put the suit on this time, right? Since everybody

else is. Yeah. But I liked how they showed the

atom shrinking down and then they had, you know,

the one half of Firestorm. Yeah, that's really

weird, because Rabiamel is not listed in the

cast. Which means that you won't see Firestorm.

But unless he guests. Right, but they also say

firestorm is part of the team in the trailer

Yeah, which I don't know if you noticed did it

I I just rewatched the episode tonight the the

the end of them of the most recent flash and

I feel like all Robbie Amell doesn't talk like

firestorm does not talk in that fight and He

does I I know they reuse the same scene of him

landing twice So I'm actually wondering if he

was even like there Oh, I know he was there because

I saw a Behind -the -scenes footage of the three

of them. Okay. All right Well, I mean I saw that

a couple months back before they released this

episode. Okay, cuz it just felt it felt really

weird like He was added in because he couldn't

be there at the same time or something. I don't

know. It just felt really weird. So um so there's

that there's hot girl which i'm kind of bummed

that they didn't uh go with i mean i i looked

it up after i had this conversation with you

and i had it again with danner and i was like

completely off but it's kind of bummed that they

didn't go with the hot girl that i thought that

they were setting up in arrow season one um there's

the narcotics detective that um oliver goes on

a couple dates with Okay, her name is McKenna

Hall I thought that that was like a subtle nod

to Hot Girl at the time Or like, you know, this

person could eventually become that but there's

this new one is like a Kendra Saunders Is the

name of the character? Like it's not see when

I think of Hot Girl, I think of Shayura Hall

Yep So it's, it's interesting that it's not,

you know, and at first when I saw like my first

time, well, maybe before I found out the name

of the actual hot girl that's in the show, I

was like, well, maybe they're like sisters, like,

you know, one's named McKenna Hall and the other

one's named Shayura Hall, but that's not the

case. So that would be cool. I'm interested to

see how Captain Cold and Heatwave play into the

whole thing. Yeah, I know because being that

they're villains But see I think this goes back

to the whole like and they kind of address that

in the trailer Which is you're not heroes or

villains your legends So he's just trying to

create a team to help help him Accomplish his

goals. So and Adam is so raw too. I I will say

this in the trailer if you choose to watch the

trailer for Legends of tomorrow if you haven't

watched it yet. I do not suggest watching it

until you've finished arrow Because there's like

a mild like a super mild spoiler Well, if you

explain something Yeah, but but still it's like

a mild spoiler if you haven't seen the last episode

of arrow I mean, I don't think it hurts like

like here a legends of tomorrow at all. I'm just

saying like it kind of hurts arrow takes one

of the one of them the moments out of arrow and

Do you know devolves into like a snippet smaller

snippet in a trailer which kind of takes away

some of the sting I guess so So again looking

forward to this too, so Definitely one of the

ones I I'm looking forward I I wasn't sure initially

but I'm kind of geeked for it now. I just think

it'll be fun. I think it's going to be as fun

as Flash. It'll certainly be a little more ludicrous

than Flash. Oh yeah. Is there anything you want

to talk about before I vent a little bit about

Hero? I know Diggle's supposed to get a mask

next season. See I don't even care about that

It's a minute thing see It goes the only person

sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you here but

real quick it diggles the only person that came

out of season 3 like Realistically Like he's

been affected yes, so there's character development

there I'm for Diggle alone like and that yeah

Like and maybe Ray, but nobody that like like

Felicity is actually from arrow Yeah, like Felicity

doesn't have any I don't I Laurel nothing was

earned with Laurel She became a fighting person.

That's it Anyways, I'm sorry. I didn't interrupt

you we can go into all this like in a second,

but what did you yeah? It's a different thing

all together It had more so to do with the agents

of shield thing, but We can talk about that and

come back to arrows, okay The only thing like

I like the the finale but it Kind of was lackluster

compared to the previous season finale in my

opinion Yep I felt like I should have gotten

more out of the situation and there really wasn't

anything there The only thing that really happened

was and Sorry, if you haven't watched it, but

Colson gets his hand chopped off, which is like

nothing Which they're like, oh what happens to

everything and in phase two somebody's always

losing a hand. It's like, okay, I That just left

me wondering with okay. Is he gonna get a prosthetic?

Is he gonna get? You know, Cree blood and grow

back. Is he just going to be Gempie for the next

season? Who knows? I miss the original Coulson.

Yeah, I miss Coulson too. I wish he was still

in the films. But yeah, that's that's really

the only thing I had to bring up, because like

the rest of the show is kind of like, yeah, who

cares? I think my issue with this season and

it became more and more prevalent. once The inhumans

became like a big thing And I know I've made

this like I've tweeted about this and I've made

a push about this lately Which is when are we

gonna stop comparing? the movies to the comic

books right Yeah, and so I feel like kind of

a hypocrite for saying this but We know that

they're making an inhumans movie and the rumor

is Vin Diesel has been cast as Black Bolt I mean

that's a big rumor but and it would be a funny

one because he plays Groot who can only say one

line I am Groot and then he's gonna play a character

that when he speaks he destroys everything in

front of him so It so it's a big it's a big room

I mean the the the rumor or the role of black

bolt has not been cast But a lot of people think

it's gonna it went to Vin Diesel. They just haven't

announced it yet So At any rate black bolt in

the comics is the leader of the inhumans, okay?

My issue I had with this with agents of shield

when the inhuman storyline became more involved

Than just a couple of people when you actually

started seeing their entire society I I Felt

like and I had a couple of conversations with

my friends about this It's like is it just me

or does it feel completely wrong for people to

be making decisions without even mentioning the

name black bolt? Like be making decisions for

inhumans as a whole Without black bolt or even

mentioning the name black bolt because he's supposed

to be the leader of the inhumans like on high

so I Mean and and some I'm willing to write it

off. Maybe black bolt isn't the leader. I don't

know but What I've started to think was I don't

think this this group of inhumans are The in

like part of the inhumans that we know and love

from the comics These are just like a ragtag

band of just leftovers. Actually, I think they're

like a splinter group of extremists. Which makes

sense. They're like villain inhumans versus the

inhumans that are actually the heroes. And if

I look through that lens, then it makes a lot

more sense. But this last season, I don't know

man. It just didn't it felt were one it felt

really long It felt long, but it also felt like

they they were trying to connect the dots to

the films just to keep it afloat more so than

the first season and Then it also like they were

trying to jam this this inhumans thing down our

throat But well the thing was jammed down our

throat But the the only references to the movie

were at the end of the episode before Age of

Ultron and the beginning of the episode that

came up after Age of Ultron and that was it.

Oh I know which kind of sucks. It was not it

was not the it didn't piggyback off of Age of

Ultron the way that season one piggybacked off

of Winter Soldier which a little more credit

for not doing that I guess but weird at the same

time like you did it once why not do it again.

In it it also kind of it it almost feels like

even though it's supposed to be all be connected

quote -unquote, but it feels like Shield has

become the bastard child of the universe Yeah,

I'm just so confused by a lot of things and I

don't think it'll ever come to light because

the only way it'll ever come to light is If I

see the heroes find out that Coulson is still

alive Like to me that is that would cement the

show I think to me that is the definitive sign

that the show I mean I I'm one of the ones that

believes the show is in continuity with the movies

Don't I do too, but I especially after the episode

before age of Ultron, right? but I feel like

For that to be cemented, I think everything goes

one way. Like the movies affect the TV show.

The TV show has yet to affect the movie in any

meaningful way. And I think the way that happens

is for the Avengers to find out that Coulson's

still alive and that Fury lied to them. And who

knows? Off the wall prediction here, maybe that's

the basis for Civil War. The theory manipulated

them into thinking Colson's dead and Colson secretly

running shield that nobody knows about I mean

Crazier things have happened, right? I mean we

got the bat suit, right? Yep, I would actually

love if that were true so But I don't know I

just felt like this episode this season felt

really long and meandered all over the place

It was a lot like arrow. It just kind of meandered

all it was Don't feel like it knew what it never

only feel like it ever found its footing like

I production wise I Liked it better than the

first season Like I Don't on a whole I think

it was just as good as like the end of season

one But I don't think it ever became better than

the end of season one. No, I kind of agree with

you But they did introduce some cool characters

that I like and I'm really bummed that like was

it fits that fits never Well, oh Fitz is the

one that was lost his memory. Yeah, I'm I was

really miffed by that at the beginning of the

season and I was hoping You seem to get it back.

Well, he got it back when it served the show

Like there's one of the things that I noticed

like it in the last episode. It's like, oh wait

So now he has no problem communicating like when

did that happen? like I I don't I don't know

I feel like it's just yet somewhere in the last

like five episodes it just stopped being an issue

like I wished it would have come out of like

the Terrigen mist or something had Fixed him

or one of the inhuman doctors had fixed him or

something and said it looks like it just Disappeared

or it's something that just comes and goes as

it's dramatically necessary So which again takes

away from the whole thing anyways Hmm what about

Gotham's end in the not like the rest of Gotham

but just like the last ten minutes of the season

finale and then the the fact that they've basically

said Mr. Freeze is coming next season and then

the origin of the Joker I can't I Can't talk

about Gotham because I don't watch it. Okay,

I I Stopped it like the winter break Which is

like two episodes after Harvey Bullock became

Gordon's best friend Okay, because I didn't buy

that that character turn at all Oh, they're still

back stabbing each other throughout the season.

So but I don't know. And the whole precinct scene

with Zazz. Was it Zazz? Yeah. I didn't buy that

at all. Like I... They would have just shot him.

I couldn't... There was something about that

episode and the one right after it where Harvey

became like his best friend. Like... I just couldn't...

I couldn't get past the show treating me that

dumb. So I was like, nope, we're done. I considered

doing it when they cast the one of the they cast

the Joker as one of the actors from one of my

favorite shows Shameless. I thought for a second

about watching to get caught up so I could see

that episode and I was like, no, no, no, no,

not even worth it. So I can't really talk about

Gotham. You can, but I can't. Do you care? No.

Okay. Anyways, Bruce and Alfred basically find

the hidden door to the Batcave. In the end. Okay.

He finds a picture that has some location of

something. He finds a little push button like

garage door opener type thing. Real thin and

Alfred's like don't press it and he's like I

have to know what my father was hiding and then

he presses it and The fireplace opens up and

there's a stairway that goes down It's his porn

stash. Yeah It's where oh your dad's secretly

alive hiding down to the basement. He's That

would be fantastic He's been fighting Fighting

Gotham No He'll find his dad's corpse down there

or something wearing the bat suit That would

just be wrong, but it'd be hilarious if it happened

So yeah, and then the the Riddler and penguin

Lake penguins finally the crime lord of Gotham

after knocking the opposition and then Riddler

is having a mental snap With riddles, so I think

next season he's gonna be bad, too No It yeah,

well, it's extremely like I don't know some of

its like really stupid how it played out But

yeah, the only the only thing I worry about with

not with Gotham because I don't know how that's

gonna go next season with the guys that are doing

Supergirl doing the legends of tomorrow The flash

arrow is Aren't they stretched pretty thin as

it is because I mean you can see that arrows

suffered because of it Pretty thin with what

as far as like do you think it's gonna hurt the

stories? Overall in the shows separately because

they're working on so many of them know of the

same universe No, I don't think so I think I

think You know kind of like we talked about earlier

one feeds into another like what happens in flash

gives their Reasons for there to be metahumans

if you will in arrow And you know vice and vice

versa I just I don't I feel like it opens up

it gives them more It gives them More room to

play around as far as telling stories goes. I

don't think I think they need to stop treating

Characters like characters that they're not like

arrow is not Batman Which I wish they'd say that

in the show I'm not Batman. I want to know why

Just a quick aside here, I wonder why Batman

is the one that Can't be put on TV. I don't know.

There's like some kind of an embargo on him because

like even Even later on like they they started

like in Justice League the reason why the Joker

only showed up so many times is because they

had like it or not the Joker the other characters

is because they had some kind of a bad embargo

going on because they had Plans to use them in

some of the movies so they wouldn't use them

in like Justice League or whatever and then they

the same thing kind of happened in various animated

series later on So I mean, it's it's one of those

weird things and I don't know why they won't

bring a live -action Batman back to TV It's weird

because they won't they don't appear to do that

with Superman. I mean Smallville was on TV while

When the Bren and Ralph Superman came out And

they're they're putting Superman in some form

on the screen again for Supergirl I Feel like

there's for some reason is I feel like Batman

is the only DC character that they don't That

just doesn't get put on TV And I would like to

know why that is like as far as like where they

just too scared by the Adam West version That

they'll never do it again. I Don't know. I just

I really wish that they would bring him back.

I think it would be great as a serialized Show.

Yeah, I don't think it should be an ongoing because

I think that it could get hurt that way. Point

in case Gotham. Well, hold on. I don't think

you can compare a Batman show with Gotham. I

know Gotham's terrible. I'm just saying like

Gotham is terrible because you're never going

to get that payoff. Whereas Batman. You know,

if it was an actual Batman show, I feel like

you would. Yeah, so I Don't know I mean I would

love to see him even if it's like as a brief

part where he shows up an arrow from time to

time Like as a He shows up in there like dire

need type thing. He doesn't need to do that It

could just be like the simple things like put

him on the screen like or have Bruce Wayne. Yeah

That's not an expensive thing and they don't

have to put him in the suit Because at least

not right away They always seem to be dancing

around it like they turn arrow into Batman and

they've teased Nightwing like for the last two

seasons like blood haven and and even on Twitter,

you know, like they They tease that they've like

cast someone to be Nightwing Which for all we

know now that that property stuck over in TNT

so but it's still the same show writers but it's

not the same network no so that's a that's a

bigger hindrance to the whole crossover thing

in my opinion and i've said it before and i'll

just say it again because we mentioned teen titans

i really wish it was a half -hour sitcom so they

should just send rory harper over there who knows

maybe that's where he's gonna end up Yeah, cuz

he's not a show regular anymore on arrow so I

Guess I don't need to really talk about the end

of arrow until you've actually seen it that way

we can have like a more Complete conversation.

I'm fine about it I'm interested I Didn't this

season just bothered me from like the minute

that Sarah Lance died it's really bugged me and

his like the whole Rachel ghoul storyline just

the whole thing bothered me and I the first like

season you know the first two seasons I felt

like everything was kind of like all the characters

like earned everything through the course of

watching the show and seeing how the characters

progressed and he You get to see how they became

what they became but this season it just went

back to cool stuff happening for cool Just because

it was cool and that made it bad There's just

like lots of things that stick out and we talked

about this second ago or like 30 minutes ago

with Diggle is like the only character that came

out of this season Like Like this season mattered

Oliver like flip -flopped like every other episode

and Felicity flip -flopped every other episode

like it's like oh this oh no no that not that

oh but we're back to this and I don't and the

whole like black canary thing I really thought

that they were gonna spend time developing that

character and showing her progression like into

We kind of missed out on on Roy getting his training,

but his stuff happened off -screen right in in

between seasons and Not only that he had street

smarts to to build off of whereas Laurel did

not know and So there you know I was like oh,

we're gonna get to see you know over the course

of the entire season We're gonna get to see how

this unfolds Well, that's not what happens. Black

Canaries is kind of crammed down your throat

because they killed the Black Canary that everybody

liked. And. Not only that, they kid you not,

I believe it's the third to last episode. Laurel.

Gets bested by a thug in an alley. While she's

doing her training with Nyssa. Yeah, that just

seems so unreal. But in the next episode, she's

taking on five members of the League of Assassins

by herself. Yeah, doesn't make any sense. Wait

a second, hold on. And that's what I'm talking

about. They were just putting people in cool

situations for the sake of it being cool, not

because the story had led them there. It's like,

oh, we need this type of thing to happen now,

so it's just going to happen. That really annoyed

me, especially after the first two seasons it

felt like it took such care to make sure that

every story beat led to a change in the characters.

And the end of this season just feels so forced.

now with that that said I'm ready to write off

season 3 and I mean I'll be watching season 4

like I'm not going to give up on it just because

I feel like now with the possibility of the legends

of tomorrow crossovers well there's that and

the whole the way that they forced the ending

to this season first of all it felt very much

like it could have been a series finale and not

a season finale With the way that it ends so

I believe it just like kind of like wipes the

slate clean And it might wipe the slate clean

with all of the island crap. I Don't know So

they might get to start like with a fresher direction

with season four than they've been able to the

last three seasons Well, they still don't explain

his season or his a year, you know four to five

on the island well maybe that maybe they won't

do that because people have been complaining

about the flashbacks all through season three

so maybe they just found a way to do away with

that crap um that would be nice it'll be interesting

to see what happens i just like the rest of this

season in the end just felt very forced and this

is kind of Blah like there was no other way that

it could end and Dan and I had a conversation

about this I was talking with him about it and

he said that Amel said that this season would

have a very strange ending Like it would feel

very weird and I told her I said that's not an

excuse. They shouldn't have to tell you that

that's like I I likened it to Last fall when

Ubisoft released Assassin's Creed unity and the

game was busted all the hell. Like, it was broken.

And they had to issue, like, apologies. And when

they did their reveal for the next Assassin's

Creed coming out this fall, they, like, prefaced

it by saying, we learned from our mistakes from

Unity. And so it's, you know, we've learned from

that, and we're not gonna make the same mistakes

again. It's like, you shouldn't... Have to say

that you should never have released a product

to where you have to make those kind of statements

like You shouldn't have to You shouldn't have

to offer me Incentive I'm sorry your show should

be enough of an incentive for me to want to watch

it You know I'm saying like mm -hmm not it shouldn't

be You shouldn't be like in the middle of the

season be like we know we screwed this up. Just

stay with us through the end But when we get

to Comic -Con and we show you the trailer for

season four, you'll love it. You shouldn't have

to say that stuff. Just stand with it and just

let it ride? But not even that. I'm saying your

stuff should be good enough. That's what I'm

saying. It should be good enough that you don't

have to deliver statements like that. Like, please,

Hank, please stay with us. You shouldn't have

to plead for people to... watch your show, your

show should be good enough for people to want

to watch it. So, you know, him, Amel, coming

out and saying, yeah, it's going to be a really

weird ending given the way the rest of the season

went. That's not. That's dumb, like, especially

since you're not doing that in the show, you're

doing that as the actor, like, you know, as you're

not doing that as Oliver, you're doing that as

Steve Amel. So. But. At least Deadpool looks

promising. Here's the funny thing about Deadpool,

this is all I'll say about it. Even if that movie's

a piece of crap, don't you think that's just

gonna add to it? I think it's gonna be great,

just because it's just gonna be fun. Well, no,

no, no, no. I agree. I'm just saying. But even

if it's a piece of crap, don't you think that's

just gonna add to what the movie is? Yeah. Even

if it's bad, it's still gonna be good because

it's bad. Because that's kind of it's like what

a very nice Yeah, it's a very Deadpool esque

thing or a way to look at it. I guess is What

I'm saying So let's I think especially him trying

to murder Mario Lopez again So I guess that's

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two different things going on besides stuff with

the site. I'm taking a cinematography class at

my local community college, which is actually

funny because there are two people in it that

I've had in previous classes that I've taken.

One was in my acting class last semester, and

the other guy is named Guy. Hey. Yeah. He's in

my class again. The last time he was in my class

was at the intro media class. And of course,

in this class, we have to shoot a film. It has

to be up to 10 minutes length. And then depending

on how good it is, it gets into a film festival.

There was like nine different film pitches during

Wednesday in class, and then we had to vote on

them. The one I voted for was like the second

highest by like one point. which is actually

kind of humorous. We're going to be using the

theater again. Oh, cool. So it's going to be

one of those late night video audio video records.

And I'm the editor and sound guy for the for

the film. So that will be fun. I'm not the director.

I'm not the writer, script writer or anything.

I don't have to worry about anything, but. Being

I've already done it there before it's gonna

make it a little bit easier on me They don't

realize how little time you actually get when

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done and get out right, so Coordinating with

people is going to be a big issue. I have a feeling

but we'll see So yeah, I'm interested in doing

that to see how that turns out I'm trying to

get on top of more than what I need to to make

sure crap gets done. The other thing is I'm taking

the web class on edx .org which is online courses

from various universities. So you get university

credit. It's completely online. You can register

for whatever. I mean they have like HTML5 classes.

They have You know like Math they've got you

know physics. They've got alien worlds They even

have one that's for It's it's for comic books

Which it's Log in so I get the exact name, but

it's the rise of superheroes and their impact

on pop culture Which is from the Smithsonian

and this website. I'm taking that class. It's

just started the fifth and we're in our first

week right now. They have you filling out the

superhero sketch pads, which is basically your

assignment. You watch various videos where they're

going through the history of stuff in the courseware.

It's done by... The entire course is by Michael

Uslan. Don't know if you know who he is. Nope.

Okay. He's the He's the guy that's like a executive

producer on basically Any Batman movie that's

come out in the last 30 years, okay? He's he's

also the he had a comic book class accredited

at a major university by basically Showing how

it ties into history and mythology like for instance

Superman story is very very close and akin to

Moses Okay in almost every way So like they go

into the history of that kind of stuff and you

know show you very stuff from the early days

of comics from when they were like magazines

to actual comic books and then Stan Lee is a

part of the the teaching staff and they bring

him in periodically, but it's Michael Uslan mostly

that is doing the stuff. But it says that he's

professor of comic books, first ever college

accredited course on comic books way back in

the early 1970s at Indiana University. He's running

this entire class. It's like a five week class

and at the end They have like a final project

and you send in all your Sketchboard which are

basically you fill out PowerPoints With whatever

information you have to fill in and You get a

certificate Not sure exactly how that's going

to be done whether it's an actual certificate

or a PDF or something but it's gonna have like

the signature of like Stanley and Michael Usland

and You get a couple of art pieces and basically

you're accredited or you have a certificate of

saying that you've verified, certified that you

know what you're talking about with this stuff.

I just thought it would be cool to take and try

it out. It would make me a little bit more of

a knowledgeable person on comic books when I

talk on show. So, I could say, look, I've got

a certificate. Oh, you'd be one of those people.

Yeah. Fantastic. I wouldn't flaunt it, unless

it's a TFG one, just to mention. But yeah, that's

all I was going to throw out there. I'm not sure

if they're still doing that or not, but it's

fun so far. Anyhow, until next time. See you

later. Bye