All Things Transformers: Episode 12

You're listening to All Things Transformers,

episode 12, recorded January 31st, 2009. You're

listening to All Things Transformers. And joining

me this week is... Mike Blanchard from the TFG1

Podcast. We are going to re -record episode 12,

seeing as how my computer completely blacked

out the last time we tried to do this. And you

would think that it's episode 12, but it's not

like it's episode 13, so at least it's not like

a jinx thing. Yeah. And, uh, I forgot to introduce

myself. Obviously I'm Steve slash Megatron. It

is very early in the morning, so we are both

exhausted. Yeah, well, you know, I've only had

45 minutes of sleep, so... And it isn't because

of my neighbors or anybody messing around in

the hallways or anybody outside or whatever.

It was just because I couldn't get to sleep.

And by 3 .30, I was like, uh, still watching

Team Knight Rider on the iPhone. And the battery

started dying, so I was like, oh, okay. Turn

on the iPod on the Bose, put the iPhone in the

dock, and rolled over. Next thing I know, shinedown's

going off from my alarm, telling me it's time

to get up to record. Like, ah, fuck. And then

we've been sitting here rambling on for the last

hour. Yeah, exactly. But we should have been

taping the entire thing. Exactly, we should have.

Yup. But knowing our luck, it would go out and

die again. I know. I don't understand this. I

am taking my computer into the shop this week

to find out why in the hell it has died six times

since we had this ice and snow storm here. Most

of it is melted all of the ice on the power lines

has melted I never wait our power only flickered

in and out a couple of times But I think every

time I've tried to have a Skype conversation

with anyone in the past two weeks My computer

has completely I've been sitting here just like

I am now. I'm not touching the mouse. I'm not

touching the keyboard I'm not touching anything

other than the the volume control for the headset

and my computer just completely blacks out and

restarts itself. It's not like I hit the start

button and then I hit, you know, shut down or

restart. It just, I don't freaking know. Yes.

Yeah, it's bad. It's like Transmetal 2 Megatron

came in here and fucked something up, bastard.

Yes. So you can't even do the voice write this

early. Yes. There you go. Close enough. Yeah,

close enough. So what's in the news this week

other than that crappy Transformers 2 teaser

we got at the Super Bowl? Well, um, and I'll

make a comment about that when I hit that, but

um... I'm going to recap some of the news that

was supposed to be in the last episode, or some

stuff that came up since then, because we were

going to record last Monday, and all I have is

my audio, which shall now become a part of the

Lost Level episode. I shall merge it with Mike

the Birdman Dodd's audio, and we will be talking

about two completely different subjects. So it

will sound hilarious when I'm talking about how

Optimus Prime and Rodimus are different than

Axel Foley. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be great.

So what do we got? I'm gonna figure it out and

it's gonna be good. Yeah, yeah. Play like the

Beverly Hills Cap intro with the... ATTF one

or something mixed in. You have some kind of

like funky -ass episode, I don't know. I'll figure

something out when I get to editing. I don't

really do that this weekend. But uh, oh what

were you going to say? What do we got for news?

Um, well there is... Activision's new Revenge

of the Fallen site which is live and it is for

the new game that is coming out this year. What

the hell was that? It was me putting my finger

down my throat to gag myself for the game. Wow.

Anyways, the Chevy Beat and Chevy Trax and their

robot modes was on the site. Apparently, Activision

chewed out TFW and made them take it down, but

that's because they'll be releasing their trailer

for the Revenge of the Fallen tie -in game next

Friday, which would be this Friday, and so yeah,

they've got that coming for them, and damn, I'm

retarded. Freaking Revenge of the Fallen game

is coming soon. They have that battle for the

all spark coming back to their site 2 .0, which

I tried playing and didn't care about and so

Hopefully the game is much better this year.

Yes, hopefully because the original movie game

for the 2007 movie is well actually it's probably

in a box somewhere now seeing as how I'm still

fucking moving but yeah before that it was just

sitting on the shelf and I played it probably

a total of 45 minutes once I beat or I didn't

actually beat anything once I found cheat codes

to unlock all the G1 characters and all the levels

and everything else I said the hell with it because

the the time constraints on that game just pissed

me off to no end Yes, the time constraints were

complete and utter bullshit. It ruined a completely

good game of destroying everything in sight.

Yeah, destroying everything in sight. Activision,

if you have any people that listen to any of

our podcasts, get rid of the fucking time constraint

levels. Yeah, because it was awesome. I loved

climbing up the buildings, jumping across them,

smashing the hell out of everything, and then

destroying everything to the point of... Just

no return and you know, I'd pick up cars and

whatever But anyways, I didn't use cheat codes

until I got to the level where you could not

beat that stupid ass I think it was like a dump

truck or some kind of vehicle that Well, you

had to throw something at it and just the right

timing to knock it over and then you had to pick

it up and throw the vehicle And then in order

to damage and destroy it which was more of a

pain in the ass than destroying the boss itself

Like I said I didn't do any of the levels until

after I did the cheat codes and I only spent

maybe four or five minutes even doing anything

with the levels and I just went back to just

like the roaming mode like you can roam the world

and just destroyed everything. That's all I did.

I didn't even care about beating the game at

all. Yeah, after I got done with the first bit

of time constraints I didn't give a rat's ass

whether I did anything in that game anymore and

Considering I only bought it for 20 bucks. I

didn't really care so I Ended up putting that

back in the box and it hasn't been touched since

you know after I use the codes. Yeah, pretty

much So hopefully this new game is a little bit

better Yep, which obviously if the trailers already

coming out In conjunction with the new movie

trailer this week. Yeah, the games probably already

developed They probably do have time constraint

levels in there And what I just said previously

about not putting them in there is probably gonna

be ignored if the games already been produced

So yeah, that was a waste of me talking Yeah,

but Hopefully they've learned from the last game

because there was a lot of bitching about that.

Yeah and Yeah, just that was not a very well

liked feature Also on the craptastic news Because

I don't have show notes. I'm just pulling shit

randomly Transformers animated finished after

season 3 is the new rumor on reported from TFW

2005 and from unnamed sources through Cartoon

Network. There's no truth to it so far but it's

probably going to end and I would think that

would be true considering how long it takes them

to release everything. Just going back to compare

and I'm not really comparing the two shows but

compare the beast wars beast machines timeline

is like how much time was in between each one

of those seasons and how much time is in between

the fucking animated series uh... i'm pretty

sure they put beast wars out back to back to

back to back to back and this thing they put

out a three -part movie Which was the beginning

of the series then they put out season one Then

they waited what six months or nine months or

half a year or whatever? To put out season two

and then season three isn't gonna be out until

the middle of the spring sometimes supposedly

in March April or May or June It's fucking ridiculous

just and just have one two -hour episode ending

the fucking show don't even have a season three

I'm so sick of this shit hearing about season

three is coming this is what's gonna be in season

three and yes I respect the show for doing all

the G1 references and everything else and I like

that they did that but the worst fucking cartoon

outside of Batman and the Brave and the Bold

and that's saying something because Batman the

Brave and the Bold is the fucking worst Batman

cartoon I have ever seen Yeah, even never seen

it even worse than the Batman scooby -doo team

ups Wow, I just won't that's just my opinion

I don't when I first started watching it I didn't

go in with an open mind because I'm so used to

Batman the animated series which was the best

Batman cartoon ever in my opinion And I'm so

used to that animation style. Well, with Batman

the Brave and the Bold, have you ever seen Justice

League the New Frontier? The DC animated movie

that they put out last year or the year before?

No, I haven't seen the New Frontier. I've seen

previous works of Justice League. Yeah, but you've

seen the cartoon. Well... The whole thing with

the DC Universe movies is that they are trying

to reinvent some of the characters and tell new

stories. Well, Justice League New Frontier was

a direct adaptation of Darwin Cook's story in

the comics, and it was basically Silver Age type

story. looking animation and everything else.

Well, that's the same thing with Batman the Brave

and the Bold. It's a Silver Age homage to the

Silver Age Batman comics from DC, and the only

two things I like about it is the Batmobile and

the Batwing. Other than that, the show can go

to hell and die. They have fucking Oswald from

Drew Carey. They have Diedrich Bader playing

the voice of Batman. You've got to be fucking

kidding me. Yeah, Kevin Conrad is definitely

the only Batman. He is the embodiment as far

as the animated Batman. I agree Yes, he's been

doing the thing for over six for 15 16 plus years

now and Well, it's just like Mark Hamill. He's

the best Joker in the animated line. Yeah So

yeah, it's just I don't know but yeah going back

to transformers animated. Yeah season 3 I could

really give a shit less about. I mean I had caught

most of season 2 on YouTube only because I would

always sleep past 11 30 or 10 30 or whenever

the hell it was on Saturday mornings. Now maybe

if what they do is they put it behind or if they

move if Cartoon Network were to move Batman the

Brave and the Bold to an 8 30 time slot on Friday

nights and put Transformers animated season 3

in that 8 o 'clock Friday night time slot maybe

I would You know watch it, but most likely I'll

end up doing the same thing I did with season

two and just catching it on YouTube or or some

site You know whatever some streaming site or

whatever. I really could give a shit less about

it now. I'm just so sick of waiting for it and

There's been absolutely no character development

in that entire series I think the only character

that's developed is Megatron and he's gotten

even more eviler than what he was in season one

Well, there's there's a bumblebees Getting more

annoying Starscream creating his clone army and

becoming a floating head So you've had little

nods there, but other than that it's mostly intro

character kill character in the same episode,

so it's like Okay, this is useless and we have

never in as far as I know now I have not watched

all of our Mata energon and Cybertron and I did

not watch any of our ID But as far as I know

in any transformers cartoon that we've ever had

we have never had human fucking villains Give

me a break No, that is just ridiculous I was

yeah, they're gonna be able to combat a transfer

saw like the the angry archer or whatever the

hell his name is i thought fucking batman was

going to come in swinging off a bat pole or something

and kick his ass uh... it's going to go back

to my review of uh... the girl who love power

glide from season two when i eventually get to

around to recording that episode of of tfg one

it shows power glide on any fucking merry -go

-round This is like a Five -ton robot or however

the hell much they weigh on a friggin merry -go

-round horse Give me a break. I know that's what

I'm saying. Give me a fucking break And I look

down Well, it didn't do that it shows him going

around and around a few times And then it goes

crap. Well, actually, yeah. Actually, yeah, the

Decepticon showed up and blew the thing all to

hell, so... But, um, yeah. Apparently Autobots

have the ability to change their weight on command.

Yeah. There's gonna be tons of stuff coming up

when I do my reviews, when I do future episodes

of TFG1 because there is just so many nonsensical

things that both Autobots and Decepticons do

that you just don't think they can do. What it

is is they ran out of ideas and they were supposed

to have the movie between seasons 1 and 2. Yeah,

I know, but... Still I Guess we'll move on yes

Revenge of the Fallen preview and toy fair number

140 Apparently it's due out in comic shops February

11th and regular new stands February 24th and

it says on the cover of the Well, for the advertisement

anyway, it says, where's LeBuff? He's in Transformers

Revenge of the Fallen, and that's in Toy Fair

number 140. And it's got a picture of LeBuff

running, I think from Eagle Eye, like the movie.

Oh, God. But... I'm sorry, but I think Shia's

career has gone downhill since even Stevens went

off the air. I just do. Well, he's transusing

the same dynamic, I think, in everything. And

it doesn't transfer. I will not watch Eagle Eye.

I won't... Even if somebody... Even if somebody

pays me... Or, not pays me. Even if somebody

pays for me to go see the movie or to get it

on DVD or whatever, I... No. I'd be like... Like

Santino Marella from WWE back in 2007 when Stone

Cold came to confront him and Santino just threw

the condemned DVD down like to the other side

of the ring. You know, it'd be the same thing

with me with Eagle Eye. And I refuse to watch

Indiana Jones 4 too. No, I ain't watching that

crap. Already dead. Yeah. Movies have really...

upset me the last few years the only two good

ones i've actually gone to see was iron man in

the dark night there is a couple and i'm saying

their ones that i like from last year but other

than that i'd have to agree with you even the

sauce series like i'd like seeing them but come

on i mean jesus the guys dead drop the series

He's truly dead. It's not like a Jason or Michael

Myers where, oh, I can rise from the dead. I

am just waiting for a Saw 6 forum thread to show

up on Earth2 .net forums. Well, Saw 6 is in production.

It will be out the 24th of October. I know this

because I sit here and I stare at movie listings

all damn day. Because at dinner... Now, if only

you could just get paid for doing that. Well,

hell yeah, I'd sit there get paid to sit there

and review movies and tell my opinions of them

because I watched so many damn movies I have

610 movies and six blu -rays But anyways back

to my non -red Roberto Orsi discusses scene additions

to TF2 This is Decepticons, many of them being

CGI. There's more freedom to add scenes in post

-production. Adding extra scenes with Transformers

is currently under consideration as a follow

-up. Roberto said, one extra long scene is being

considered was Michael Bay's idea with Bay saying,

you and the fans are going to love this. Starscream's

character will be more similar to his Generation

1 self. And the last bit of news on that subject

is Roberto states that producer Lorenzo Di Bonaventura

comments in Empire Magazine that there are around

40 robots and was not an exaggeration. I guess

that's better than what the six we actually saw

in the first one or five or seven or however

many we actually saw in the first one. The whole

five Autobots and the whole like... Well they

showed like ten Decepticons but like they only

appeared for like five seconds unless they died.

I don't see with what I saw from that teaser,

I mean I know it's supposed to be just a teaser,

I don't see how that this movie is going to be

under two hours long. No, I believe this up this

movie But yeah, I could have just left that alone

no one would have ever known but uh Yeah, I believe

this teaser trailer which I happen to have before

the Super Bowl played because TFW had it leaked

from YouTube and I ripped that copy and headed

for download on Predacon Empire calm notice Predacon

Empire calm and Yes, and then I have an HD quality

one on there now, replacing it, but... Well,

gee, thanks for telling me beforehand, because

I have this crappy one that was originally on

there. Well, later in the day I added the HD

one. So, yeah, I found an HD copy and I ripped

it, and now it's on the same file name and everything

on the site, and you can see a lot more stuff

on it, let's put it that way. You can see Optimus

getting bitch slapped. Sorry if you haven't seen

the teaser, but... Spoiler! yeah well come on

you're gonna watch the movie anyway and you're

gonna see the spoiler I'm sure somewhere you

know the trailer teaser trailer the official

trailer comes out the 13th of February the teaser

obviously came out during the Super Bowl and

it's 30 seconds long it shows an aircraft carrier

getting blown to a million pieces I don't know

if you can hear that but It's showing the various

humans fighting. It's showing all the Decepticons

battling, Ravage. It shows Starscream. It shows

Barricade's new form as the Audi. It shows a

hand that looks similar to Megatron. Prime gets

his ass bitch slapped. And there's a giant monstrosity

of a robot that flings Prime over a bridge. It

could be or it could be the Devastator because

I heard rumors that Devastator is going to look

like a giant freaking mangled up gorilla So I

don't know what the hell's going on with that.

I guess we'll have to wait and see till we get

the official trailer I Didn't even catch it during

the Super Bowl because I recorded like I was

told that it was gonna happen between The third

and fourth quarter is when it was supposed to

air And I just hit the DVR button on, I just

hit my record button on my DVR and I just let

it go and I went about and did other crap and

went back and fast forward rewind, fast forward

rewind, could never find it so I just said out

of the hell with it, I'll see it eventually online,

I don't care. I think the only Super Bowl commercial,

I know this is off topic, but the only Super

Bowl commercial that I actually enjoyed watching

was the guy with the Doritos and every time he

crunched it, you know. The chick's dress came

off. That's about the only good commercial they

had this year outside the trailers. Wow. I'm

surprised you haven't gone to watch all the other

ones online. I've been too busy packing this

fucking place up and dealing with other crap.

And, uh, yes, I believe we have... What is it?

Uh... I gotta open up the file, but... Yeah,

we were going to address several other things.

The toy reviews, I have three of them online,

I think. And they were supposed to be done earlier,

but I've got three more in the works. TFG1 areas

added to the forums. Man, this seems like deja

vu. No it isn't, but that's okay. I have other

things to come. I'm planning on redoing this

site at some point. I don't know what I'm going

to do. I see ideas from everybody and then I'd

like to create something new with the site because

I get bored every six months. That's cool. Everything

needs to be... rebuffed and shinier every every

few months or every six months or every year

something like it like like I'm real like I just

I when I just started listening to podcast I

just I don't even know how I found this week

in geek I don't oh I know I don't know us duh

I was listening to TF wire and Mike was on there

and so I went to the website and I was like oh

yeah that's cool and I have not before that before

Steve snowball sailor did the did the reboot

with the new stuff that they changed to now.

I didn't really go on there that much to even

explore what was on there. I went on there for

a couple of interviews, but whatever ended up

as podcasts on the iTunes, I would just listen

to that. But their site is a hell of a lot easier

to navigate now than it was before. So it looks

really, really cool. So yeah. Yeah, I like the

the new site that they have now. That old one

was very outdated. But the new one is very nice.

I do like that. And in other news, we were going

to have a discussion topic, but since we don't

want to overload your computer. Actually, we

did have a discussion topic, and I don't think

it was because we had the discussion topic that

it overloaded the computer. And so far, we're

doing all right at coming in at just under 27

minutes. But the original discussion topic was,

I had brought it up to Steve almost three weeks

ago now. about comparing and contrasting Optimus

Prime and Megatron and Rodimus Prime and Galvatron

from G1. Both, you know, they're pre -movie.

Well, obviously not Rodimus and Galvatron, but

Optimus and Megatron's pre -movie. Adventures

and then their movie stuff and then obviously

Rodimus and Galvatron from the movie on to the

end of the series So I guess we can just start

with Optimus and Megatron. We might as well get

this out of the way and get it done Yeah, I am

seeing is how obviously I'm rewatching all these

cartoons and everything else I You know I I know

most people want it to be Optimus and Megatron

for all time as far as the leaders of the Autobots

and Decepticons especially when it comes to G1

and Optimus is Optimus has a lot of good qualities,

but sometimes his Great qualities are also his

downfalls. Like in the episode Heavy Metal War,

Megatron specifically states that he's going

to use Optimus's overdeveloped sense of honor

against him in order to win the battle. Of course,

Megatron cheats and gets all the Decepticon's

powers by a power transfer, but that's beside

the point. And Megatron, he's just evil. He has

no... Most most shows or most cartoons have some

sort of redeeming character for some villains

Megatron has no redeeming character traits whatsoever

So yeah, this is where you're supposed to jump

in Wake up damn it But um yeah, I like the original

Megatron I like the raspy voice he does have

a air of evil that None of the other Megatron's

have managed to capture although the G1 or not

G1 the animated one has come close to the style,

but that's because Cory Burton and Obviously

he worked with the original voice cast Frank

Wilker has definitely done a bang -up job at

the voice on Megatron. I like the connections

between prime and Starscream that Megatron has

Even the arguments although his gun form is pretty

much Self real he relies on other people to Use

his alt form so it gives him really no benefit

to transform He is a powerful badass with very

limited weaknesses in robot mode Mostly what

it is is his arrogance that catches him just

like Starscream with his cowardice Prime mostly

is able to combat Megatron because he's the noble

figure and he won't play dirty and so usually

Megatron catches himself in his own schemes and

Prime's just there to knock him the rest of the

way down. I gotta say though there have been

some episodes I think it was the ultimate doom

And it was, there was something else, there's

a few other ones, where they've actually had

to team up and work together to basically save

planet Earth. So, I mean, it's nice to see that

they can have that kind of character development

even though they completely hate each other and

want nothing to do with each other except to

destroy each other. But at least there was some

character development in G1 that they... at least

for a day or two could put their differences

aside and save the planet. And that usually ended

up happening by Starscream fucking up like always.

And they had to save his ass. And the whole reason

why I wanted to do this discussion topic was

because one of the people that follows me on

Twitter keeps giving me shit about being a Rotomus

Prime fan. And, you know... They killed Optimus

Prime. I'm sorry. It sucks. I know it sucks,

and I'm not trying to be negative about it I

balled my eyes out when I saw that because when

I first saw it was on VHS And I had not I was

too young to go to the theater at the time and

I didn't even know about a Transformers movie

until like I think I saw it a year after it actually

was released and You know, but I mean the whole

point of the movie and the rest of the series

was progressing Through new characters, so you

know they killed optimus hot rod becomes Rodimus

and hot rod is more of the Happy -go -lucky Who

gives a shit? Let's just go race type of character

when he got the matrix and he got the wisdom

and became Rodimus and everything else he became

more Not as good as optimus no one could ever

be as good as optimus prime, but he Became a

little wiser and kind of he stepped up to the

responsibilities and he he kind of I thought

I always thought he filled optimus's shoes Fairly,

well at least until he comes at least until optimus

comes back, but yeah and then Galvatron Galvatron

there really isn't any difference between Megatron

and Galvatron and the same guy The only difference

is Galvatron's transform mode was more self -sufficient

than Megatron's was. Because Galvatron was this

giant -ass purple cannon with an orange cannon

nose thing, and he could pretty much shoot whatever

the hell he wanted to at any time without having

to be reliant on others to hold him in their

hands. I think Megatron's schemes, for the most

part, would have worked if it wasn't for Starscream.

And the same thing with Galvatron, if it wasn't

for Scourge and Cyclonus sometimes, Galvatron's

schemes would have really worked. So what you're

saying is, if he didn't have any help, he could

do it on his own. No, no, no. What I'm saying

is, if he didn't have the characters that were

complete whiners, and granted, Cyclonus and Scourge

did not want to overthrow him, but like Starscream

always wanted to overthrow Megatron and Galvatron.

So if he didn't have those three characters and

he just had like Soundwave and Astrotrain and

all the other ones, you know, everything would

have been fine. I don't know, just would have

been it. You know, maybe the Decepticons could

have won a few battles. I don't know. Yeah. Rodimus,

he is a good follow -up to Prime, although he's...

I don't know, I just... I don't see him as...

The official leader. Yeah, well, I mean, he obviously

did well enough for Prime to say, hey, you know,

let's just hand the Matrix back to this kid after

I decide to croak again. And he pretty much did

that. And when he did have to die again, he gave

the Matrix back to Hot Rod to become Rodimus

again. Obviously Rodimus continued his legacy

through part of Headmasters. Galvatron on the

other hand, although he was far more sinister

than Megatron and he had a lot greater goals

than just conquering Cybertron. Galvatron wanted

to conquer everything. And when the Headmasters,

or Skorpenok, Zarek got involved, it screwed

up his plans. And so in that, there was a lot

of overthrows and a lot of power struggles for

Decepticon command. And eventually led to Galvatron's

demise. You keep talking about Headmasters, and

we had discussed that actual... the continuation

of the series over in in japan we have talked

about that before but i never saw it so my g

one ends with rebirth that's that's just how

it ends for me because like i said until i see

until i get my hands on a fairly decent dub of

that of that series uh... i'm just gonna go with

my original g one Yeah, and see, with the rebirth

series, which hopefully I'll be on for the official

podcast on TFJ1, but they made the entire season

in Canada. Because Japan went a completely different

direction, and so they ended up getting different

voice actors. They kept a few of the originals,

but changed... everyone else out for sound -alikes

and the animation quality was complete and utter

crap compared to previous seasons in terms of

g1 continuity characters for instance prime a

lot of the time would show up in random grays,

blues, and reds and would appear frequently wrong

throughout the entire Rebirth saga. Yeah, for

the entire 3 Potter, Optimus was extremely off

model and and like I said, you know, a lot of

the stuff that we're talking about today and

a lot of the stuff that I've talked about on

previous ATTF episodes would, you know, I'll

be bringing it up in TFG1. One thing that that

Rebirth did was it I think and I'd have to look

it up but I think it was one of the last jobs

by Vincent Price because he played the voice

of what his name Zarek and the only other thing

I can remember him from is he played some some

character on scooby -doo I know he's a big I

think he was a I know he's a big movie star back

in the 30s and 40s and 50s and stuff like that,

but I don't remember... I don't remember exactly

what all he did because obviously it was before

my time. Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah, so, um,

yeah, I... I can't pick one set or the other.

Of who I like more out of out of the four characters.

I pick them both. I pick both sets because they're

two different They're two different and not similar

enough in style then To pick either one so I

like all four of them Yeah, and I'd have to pick

Because I am very biased. I like the Megatron

and Optimus. Although Rodimus and Galvatron aren't

that bad either. Yeah, I mean... I like the Megatron

and Optimus for, you know, for the seasons in

the movie. For season one, season two, and then

the movie. And then obviously I like Rodimus

and Galvatron for, you know, the end of the movie,

season three, season four. Well... Rodimus really

wasn't in season. He wasn't really in Rebirth

that much because he was hot rod again, but you

get the general idea Yeah, but it did give pre

movie and post movie very different Set of events

in terms of Autobot Decepticon. Oh, yeah It just

amazes me and I think Somebody brought this up

might have on the the 20th anniversary DVD commentary

in the first two seasons the Dinobots were pretty

much indestructible except when they were in

robot form, but yet when They go to attack Devastator

All four of them are pretty much just I think

slag is the only one that gets in a decent shot

at Devastator right before Prime shows up to

do his battle with Megatron. Grimlock, Swoop,

and Sludge are all dispatched fairly quickly.

You know what's funny? The Looney Tunes? They're

missing a what? Dinobot? he actually shows up

later on you have to really when i was listening

to the commentary just because i had nothing

else to do i was listening to the fan commentary

i wasn't listening to the one that nelson shinn

and sue blue and flint dilly did you have that

dvd don't you if you watch this and you watch

the fan commentary they will point out when you

have to really really be fast with your pause

button to catch this when the ship when Hot Rod's

ship is coming down to the Junkion planet and

spinning. If you pause it right when it shows

the cockpit, you can see Snarl in the cockpit

in robot mode. But it's very, very hard to catch.

But as far as him actually being in the movie,

yeah, no. He shows up a couple of times, but

he's not showcased at all. as far as being with

the rest of the Dinobots. So, yeah, that's just...

It's just weird. It's just a flub. Like all the

other flubs, like with Ironhide floating by and

a whole bunch of people floating by in the battle

scenes in the beginning after they're dead. Yeah.

Yeah, pretty much. And I'll probably save that

listener question you stole from TFYR. We can

do that another time, it's no big deal. I'll

do that in the next episode. There was something

else. I thought about something when I was talking

about Hot Rod. Shit, I can't remember what it

was. Oh well, go ahead and wrap up. I'll remember

it at some point. Alrighty. Well and considering

this is really really really in the morning Yeah,

I'm going to just close off this episode because

we're probably gonna ramble on otherwise This

is Steve slash Megatron signing off and this

is Michael Blanchard from the TFG one podcast.

See you guys later