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what you're getting instead. Hello and welcome

to The Pull Bag. This is episode five hundred

and five. Ladies and gentlemen, it is January

twenty twenty three. The holidays are over and

it's time for a whole new year of comics. And

the pull bag is going to be kicking off the year

with an origins in comic reading with my buddy

Joe from Joe loves comics hello Joe how are you.

Hi man i'm good thanks yeah thanks for having

me it's very exciting to be here. I caught up

on the radiant black podcast comic origins when

you share them in the discord so it's exciting

to have my own one here. Very cool very cool.

Alright, so did you grow up reading comics and

at what age do you first remember reading or

noticing comics? So, this is a bit of an interesting

one. In terms of, I didn't really grow up reading

comics in the sort of sense that I tend to think

of. I was sort of into other things. I was quite

into, like, Nintendo. Like, Nintendo Wii, and

sort of the 3DS, the DS, those sorts of things.

And then it was actually around the Flash TV

show on the CFW. That was a couple of seasons

in. And I got into that. And then that Christmas,

my mum was like, oh, you should ask for some

like Flash comics for Christmas. It seemed like

an obvious thing to her, but I hadn't really

thought about it. And then that was sort of like

the gateway into everything. It must have been

like 2016, 2017. So only like 13, 14 still might

be. Quite young compared to some people in the

community. Yeah. It's funny. I did an episode

last year with a guy and he was he had he's in

his sixties or seventies. So he has like, like,

like 60, 70, 80 years of whatever it is, you

know, so all right. Very cool. Very cool. So

Was there a parent a friend, you know, like you

said your mom kind of you know steered you towards

comics, but was there somebody Specific in your

life that was like here kid read this comic go

away. You bother me There was definitely an interesting

route in that sense where and Through the so

I started up buying those like flash trace of

fast new 52 trade I just sort of bought them

off Amazon once I'd read one of them eventually.

Well, so it took me a while to read that first

volume. I sort of just got it and I was like,

oh, that's neat. And I put it away for a while.

And I think once I sort of came a point where

I was like, no, actually, I do want to read more.

And so I bought more and more. And then once

I sort of started getting into it, I found out

my uncle was into comics. And so eventually there

were quite a few times over the next few years

from that point where he does offload various

sets of comics on me and I remember it was um

Chip Zdarsky's Peter Parker's Petacular Spider

-Man there was like a bunch of issues of that

that he just sort of gave to me and up to that

point because here in the like news agents and

things we can get like in the UK we get like

magazine reprints I don't know if they do them

anymore actually because that was many years

ago but they would have like three or four stories

in one so it was always quite a weird experience

be like, Oh, this is only one story. I bet I

can read this in like five seconds. And then

obviously, no, it took me like, Oh, this is actually

pretty substantially sized. Yeah. Those old jumbo

comics when they were doing it, like you said,

magazine style, they would put it. It's like

reading a Batman book now, whichever writer you

want to read where it's like, Oh, here's Eighteen

to twenty four pages of a batman story and then

here's like five pages of a backup story kind

of thing but back in those days it was like here

you're gonna get three full stories in one magazine

for one. Whatever price i don't want to say low

price is the thing i don't remember what the

prices were on those old books but yeah very

cool very cool. So which you know compared to

now versus when you were a kid is a kid you know

when you were younger. Which characters were

your favorites? Well, so I'm sure, like most

people, Spider -Man is an obvious one to go for.

Even when I wasn't really into comics, I remember

just occasionally noticing the Ultimate Spider

-Man cartoon on Disney XD. I remember that just

being on and just absorbing it, but not really...

It didn't really spark any sort of interest to

pursue anything else. It was just like, oh, that's

neat. And then the Flash, like I've mentioned

already, that classic Flash run, it holds a bit

of a special place in my heart just because of

what it means. But I'm not sure by this point

if the Flash is one of my favorite heroes, but

he is sort of very cool. He has quite a cause

of aesthetic and design about him. All right,

so which flash there have been multiples Which

flash is your flash? Well, well so It's interesting

because of course the new 52 and rebirth runs

Which I've got into where I'm Barry and so and

the cost of the TV show so that was all Barry

and then more recently I been catching up on

reading the current one by Jeremy Adams of Wally

West. So it's quite cool to have that sort of

experience with the kids and Linda and everything.

That's quite a nice dynamic. There was also more

recently with Future States and so like the Multiversity

Team Justice series that ran recently. Those

sorts of things with Jess Quick. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, and I haven't read it I know what you're

talking about. Yeah. Yeah I think I mixed the

code name and the real name there for a second.

But yeah, they've got how was it be? Oh Impulse

Impulse is always fun. I still need to read that

classic Peter David runs the 90s, but I was thinking

both of the cool design That there's so many

isn't there? Yeah Very cool. Very cool. All right

the age -old question DC or Marvel. I think overall

DC quite honestly because There's a lot of cool

stuff at Marvel, especially with like the MCU

and what they've been up to showcase, but I remember

watching Black Adam when that came out and thinking

like yeah, this is this is really cool like if

DC played it right they could actually I think

I'm quite some more invested in It's like the

DC universe as a whole, whereas I'm probably

more likely to read a DC event than a Marvel

event, I would say maybe. Yeah. But of course,

there are still like a few, like, exceptions

and characters from Marvel that I do sort of

love and have like an affinity for. Very cool,

very cool. What other publishers do you enjoy

reading? So, over the past couple of years, I've

gotten really into Image and Boom and that sort

of indie side of things. I still need to delve

further into things. I mean, when that was coming

out there was things like Minor Threats from

Dark Horse, Comets and Erratic from AWA. Those

are sort of me trying to venture further into.

But then especially with things like something

as King of Children from Boom Studios, that's

like a classic. modern classic that's going on

um once in the future i need to catch up on that

because that ended but i read some of that and

that was really good there's just sort of so

many different image titles from like a variety

of genres as well and just so good and such like

joys to read outside of the traditional of marvin

dc superhero content yeah absolutely i mean images

they've always done interesting stuff no matter

what it is But they are what this whole initiative

they have with the massive verse. They are just

killing it. Yeah, exactly. It's so expensive

and you said expensive, not expensive, right?

You said expensive, not expensive, right? I just

want to make sure you're not. It is both things,

but I just want to make sure I get the right

meaning. Yeah, yeah, absolutely But no, I mean,

yeah, I mean, I definitely said expensive. Sorry.

Yeah. Yeah. No, no problem But you know image

man, they're they're just with what they're doing

with what and I love The way that it's being

done that it's not like they're not out just

to Rip off the big two or they're like the, they're

out to create their own. Like you read radiant

black, you read radiant red, you read radiant

pink, you read rogue son, you read. I don't think

by the time this actually airs massive verse

part two or whatever the big, whatever the site,

I don't think that'll be out. Yeah. Superman.

I don't think the second super massive will be

out in January of 2023. But my point is, is that

with the massive verse that they're, that they're

creating, it's like. holy crap this is something

that anyone can get into like you start with

that yeah you start with like and you don't have

okay you have maybe one or two years but one

or two years is compared to 90 years of Batman

here you go start it up you know so yeah it is

what it is yeah and that's something that it's

always quite cool about some I guess maybe flagship

is the word you would use, some image titles,

where even things like Saga, which has been going

on for over 10 years now, there's like a big

compendium of the first of 50 issues or so to

catch up on that. So even the ones that do have

long running histories are still very accessible

and widely available. Oh yeah. I'm not saying

they're not, but you know, the standard trope

is, Oh, Marvel in DC. They've been around since

38 and 39, et cetera. You know, 1938, 1939, et

cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So that's over

80 years of holy shit. Where do we start? So,

you know, where is the massive verse and what

image and Kyle and Michael and every, all the

artists everybody is doing all the writers. Uh,

they are crafting something that is wholly their

own and it is accessible. Like if you like superhero

stuff, you're going to like it. If you like tech

stuff, you're going to like it. If you're a sound

guy, Doppler is your villain or whatever. You

know what I mean? Like, like it doesn't really

matter where you are in your comics, whether

you're brand new or whether you're, you know,

an old foggy like me, you can start with. This

starting point of radiant black number one and

just keep reading the story as it grows. And

by the time we're all, but at least anyone my

age or older, by the time we're all dead and

gone, you young kids will have something in your

own forties, fifties and sixties. Back in my

day, we were just starting out. Yeah. So, you

know, it is. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Good. Sorry,

no, no, I was just gonna say, yeah, I was just

agreeing with you. I think it is like an interesting

point to make that, especially these days when

they're sort of like, on the physical side, there's

so many different collections being printed.

There's so many different ways to read things,

whether that's in the single issues or there's

so many trades and hard covers and being printed.

And that's not even mentioning the digital side

of things. Yeah. yeah absolutely speaking of

that print or digital which one both either or

and why or why not so another sort of interesting

question where for a long time i didn't really

get the appeal of digital but that was admittedly

because i only had my phone and i was like oh

it's a bit awkward trying to read things on a

laptop so I was always much more into the idea

of physical comics, like having it in your hand.

And then over the last couple of years, I got

a tablet to not just read comics on, but just

to watch stuff on and do other things. And as

that coincided with reviewing things for the

Wednesday pull blog and getting those... PDF

copies and being able to like read those and

then be like, Oh, yeah, I can actually see the

appeal of this now because this is actually like,

it's a good experience. I still prefer print,

but like if I had to, it's not it's not too bad.

Okay. Yeah. For me and i know folks i understand

it's now twenty twenty three we're in a new year

of comics and everything else but i'm sorry i

still will always go back to the fact that amazon

done fucked up comics ology i was reading comics

ology on my pc on my monitors. For years, it

was fine reading it on a computer because comixology

knew how to do it. And then Amazon comes in and

screws it up where I can only read it on my phone

now. And that's fine. I, whatever it is, what

it is. But for me, when I was reading, when I

read comics, I read digitally to get the story,

but I like having the physical print copy to

like, Ooh, that's the art. That's amazing. Like,

but to get the actual, like. Nightwing goes over

to Lockport and kicks Radiant Black's ass or

whatever, you know, doesn't matter. Whatever

the story is, like, that is what helped me with

my visual impairments was the guided view and

all that stuff that Comixology was doing. And

now the website's like, eh, eh, whatever. But

I get on that rant all the time and I probably

shouldn't. I mean, yeah, it is a very valid problem

with what they did too. Cause like you say, if

it was fine, like people should have the option

to like read however they want. Yep. It was messed

up. All is Amazon needed to do. And I say this

every time. All is they needed to do was put

an amazon .com slash Con like still have the

same website. All is they had to do is change

the linking or if they wanted to put their, you

know, their own branding on it, all is they had

to do is attach an image or use an NFT or a GIF

or a GIF or what, all is they had to do is rebrand

it. They didn't have to completely destroy the

website and put it into Kindle. Nobody reads

comics. Well, people have to do it now, but anyway.

All right, who are some of your favorite comics

writers and why? Oh, I see. Another great question.

Most of the time, or I should say some of the

ones that sort of immediately come to mind are

people like Scott Snyder and James Tiny and Ivy

or Chip Zdarsky and Tom Taylor. More recently,

I've been getting into a lot of Rick Memento

stuff I've been meaning to read for a while because

the at the time this has been recorded the 72

eternity hardcover came out a couple of months

ago and then over the summer I also bought the

first Deadly Class hardcover and the first few

volumes of Black Science a couple of months ago

so I've sort of had like a bit of a surge of

Rick Memento stuff which has been quite cool

to get into. Of course, people like Carl Higgins

with all the Radiant Black stuff. There's so

many different writers playing out some great

work. I quite like what Scott Snyder did. I got

into him with his Justice League run, which I

really enjoyed, and then into Death Metal, which

they are by Caputo and... Sorry, yeah? Are you

going to...? No, no, no. Go ahead. And then...

all these sort of comicsology titles that have

been going on. I haven't read any of the second

wave yet, but the sort of the first few books

were things like Light of the Ghoul, We Have

Demons, which have both been released by Dark

Horse, and then also Claire, my favorite of the

three, with Frances Manipal. That was a really

great read. So yeah, lots of great work going

out. Snyder's death metal stuff, it was... I

haven't read it so you're not going to form an

opinion on something i haven't read but. The

reason why i'm saying this is because for me

it was collected a weird was. Published like

they they did like death metal 1 2 3 4 and then

death I don't know I gotta go back and look at

that stuff and see if I can get like a full -on

Trade paperback of the whole thing or if it's

multiple volumes, that's fine. But originally

when it was coming out I was like How am I supposed

to follow this? Yeah, it was weird because I

think like you say between the fourth and fifth

issue or they Did a skip month, but it wasn't

it wasn't like a proper skip month because in

value of a single issue they had like three one

shots come out which then led into the following

issue and so I think I think like the two of

them were like side stories or things that were

being used in The final like actor and then one

only one of them was actually leading into it

was confusing I know what you mean. There's especially

when like if someone had that on their pull list

and then You just have to maybe like either specifically

ask for them or they would, I guess they would

have just had to have hoped that the shop would

like put everything death metal in there. It's,

it's a mess when like publishers like split things

up into one shots and break up the, I know what

you mean. Yeah. And I mean, it's, it's very simple

to just, I mean, if you're going to break it

up, that's fine. But if you're going to do it

as a trade paperback, make sure you have it in

story order, obviously, and then just put it

as the trades. So we can, but like, Uh, IDW does

their transformer stuff. It'll be transformers,

volume one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

eight, nine, 10, whatever it is. Like it'll be,

you know, each thing or, uh, yeah, I don't know.

So I do eventually want to read death metal.

I have a whole plan for stuff here in 2023 folks

that we're going to be getting to and everything

else. And here's hoping the plan works out, but

that that's a whole other story. Speaking of

story, what defines a good story to you? So there

is something I noticed recently I say recently

is of the last of the year or two as I've gotten

into more those image and indie titles where

I quite like Well, I love when the story is very

wild and outlandish it sort of goes out there,

but it's still very grounded and emotional in

the characters and To some people that's not

for everyone some people that gets too wild and

I totally get that it might seem too over the

top or But there's just like a really cool juxtaposition

that I always find where The story is just absolutely

going crazy There's some sort of like weird like

wacky shenanigans and then but I'm still like

invested in like these two like singular characters

like well I just want to know you like how they

survive the collapse of the multiverse that's

being folded in on itself by but it's like but

how are they also going to solve their like into

the personal problems and i just thought obviously

that's a really fun balance that some writers

can now and it's sort of partly in a way that

um and sometimes makes me love writers like scott

schneider's work more when he sort of talked

about what what work means to him where you take

something like death metal like you mentioned,

which is still very like wild and it's like,

oh, this can't possibly have any deeper meaning

out there. And then he'll talk about it and be

like, oh, well, this is like symbolizing about

like hope. And it's like, oh, this is like so

cool to me that I just haven't and it's like

adds a deeper meaning, but it's still fun and

heartfelt. And yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,

as long as the story hits you in whatever way

it's going to hit you, it's either going to smack

you in the face or it's going to leave you wanting

more. And sometimes leaving the reader wanting

more is a good thing. That way you come back

to the net, especially in single issue. That

way you come back to the next thing, but it's

like, sometimes it's like, holy crap. I, I kind

of got lost on radiant black. Like I've read

up to. Well, again, folks, by the, as of this

recording, we're just, they just released issue

19. I'm caught up. But man, between nine and

11, I was so, issue 10 of radiant black is just

an acid trip that nobody wants. I mean, go on

that acid trip, but like, seriously reading the

blacklight issue of radiant black, it's like,

holy, I, I was so lost and. You know, I don't.

Does that mean I like Radiant Black anything

less than I already did? No, I don't dislike

it because I got lost and I didn't know what

the hell was going on. That's why you reread

something so you figure it out. Like, oh, that's

what Kyle meant, even though we still don't know

what the hell it all is supposed to mean. We

have no idea what that back is. Yeah, exactly.

We don't know what it is yet. Oh, man. Yeah.

Yeah, the host of second arc was such like a

world roller coaster ride because we were left

Of course of like the way the first sort of arc

leaves off and that's of cliffhanger. Yeah, and

then I just feel like that second I was all quite

intense and lots of like action and and the way

it sort of ends quite like intensely and yeah,

yeah, and then with his With the way that Kyle

does his, his breakups of, of the arcs and like

issue six is a, is a character thing. Issue 12

is a character thing. I like, I like that. I

like that he does that. I like that he gives

us that breather between the story arcs to catch

up on characters we've met within those story

arcs. It just expands the whole universe and

like everyone in it. Yeah, absolutely. I said

on Radio Black podcast episode 37, I said, first

time I have ever read a comic where I did not

mind the time jumps is when we read Wendell's

story. Yeah, I said in that episode with Bash

and Matt, I said, guys, I cannot do time jumps

because if you're because a lot of the comics

that I've read with time jumps, it's three different

artists. It's the main artist in the present.

It's a different artist in the past, and it's

a different artist in the future. So it's three

different art styles in one book. And it's like,

holy crap, this is hurting my head. But with

Wendell's story and how it was told and how the

art style is, it's like, oh, this works. I like

this. Keep doing this with this character. That's

that's amazing. That's great. I remember there

was an issue of Paper Girls. When the show came

out, I picked up the complete story. It was a

paperback of the whole thing. And there was an

issue of that. They were like... I'm trying not

to spoil it, but there were four different storylines

taking place at the same time. Right and like

a similar way to that issue So I thought I think

it's quite a cool sort of concept of just if

you can like put it off effectively. It can be

quite cool Yeah, absolutely. I mean it can work.

It's just most of the time I have never felt

like it didn't work for me Until we got to Wendell's

story With with issue 19. So, all right, you

have a new number one in your hand and it's left

you wanting more. So what does a story have to

have to keep you coming back? What does it have

to have to draw you in? I think for me each issue

has to be a mostly like complete and satisfying

issue. I was going to say like it has to be a

complete story but that's not technically true

because I think I tend to be more wary of picking

up mini -series than ongoing series because sometimes

I feel like with the pacing of mini -series it

can feel like an original graphic novel that's

just not being sped up arbitrarily into issues

and then sometimes like it feels a bit unsatisfying

so I like to have Each issue has to be compelling

and interesting in its own right and also setting

up things that come rather than reading individual

chapters of things over many months. It's been

good, but I like to drop it and pick it up later

because it's not quite capturing me month to

month. Some of the best issue ones that I've

read have given me quite a... complete and satisfying

sort of overview at first of like the characters

and like the general world. It's sort of like

really like so like grab my imagination. They

don't necessarily have to show too much of what

the ongoing story is going to be like but as

long as there's sort of like enough of so like

the base elements to sort of keep me coming back

month to month and like as you want to read it

month to month rather than just like in a collection

or later on in whatever then I think that's the

main thing. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Who are some

of your favorite comics artists? Aw, man. I mean,

Jorge Jimenez has been killing it on Zdorsky's

Batman. I mean, he was the one sort of immediately

come to mind because I've been loving that, and

I imagine it'll be over by the time this goes

out, but... Francis Manapol. was the other one

that comes to mind. So he did the first half

of New 52 Flash with Brian Ricciolato, that's

how you pronounce it. His style of art style

is like, he used to do Claire with Scott Snyder,

I mentioned this all comes back. And it's so

like gorgeous and it's all like a smooth sort

of pastel. I really like some of the more unique

styles. There was sort of there was some artists

that are very um good in the sense that it just

it looks good people like like who him and it's

like i mentioned and dan more uh oh and um those

sorts of artists but then there's other ones

like um ronnie rossman i know is i'm slightly

unpopular for some people who's who's doing tim

drake robin i quite like his art how unique it

is um I think, yeah, there's sort of like a wide

variety of different artists. As long as it's

sort of, I like when it's sort of like bright

and like vibrant and like it really sort of like

pops and sometimes I like if the coloring isn't

really there, that can sort of change how you

look at it, but. Yeah, it depends on what. What

the lot, what, what the drawn lines are and then

what the colorist brings to to the piece. And

sometimes you like dark, sometimes you're going

to like bright and you know, it, it is what it

is. And it's just one of those things that is

so cool because there are so many are, I mean,

like I've said, we have almost 90 years of, of

comic books. You know, we have. To the point

of so many artists in that time that have made

their mark on the industry You had just like

what stories you have so many choices to go to

and some art we like some art we don't and the

the key in expressing something that you don't

like about the art is that you talk about the

art itself and what the artist is doing not ins

- like oh my god his art is uh don't do that

don't don't sit there and insult the person talk

about the art itself kind of thing do you have

a - go ahead sorry so um just a few people that

came to mind that I finally thought of people

like um Jim Chung On the young avengers work,

which I read a couple years ago. That was really

good Oh ryan stegman on the did you ever read

that venom run with donnie kates and That was

really good. I think I have it in my wish list.

I don't I know of it and I know that ryan Stegman

is mr. Venom boy and everything else and we've

done some venom things, but I honestly couldn't

tell you Yeah, I mean like Peach Momoko has put

out some really beautiful things. I think, so

just briefly, so what I was thinking about the

colorists, like Dan Moore and Tamara Bonvillain,

there's some sort of colorist and artist that

pair really well together, like their work is

just gorgeous and once in future and then when

they took that to World's Finest, it's such a

treat. I first found Dan Mora, he was doing,

I don't know if he was doing interior colors,

but he was doing various covers for Boom Studio's

WWE books. And I loved all of his, yeah, I loved

all of his Boom Studio's WWE stuff that he did

for the covers and stuff. Do you have a favorite

non superhero title? My favorite book just in

general is Not technically not not superhero

title alienated from boom studios written by

Simon Spurrier and Chris Wild Goose Jim Campbell

and And you may also in the creative team. That's

a really good, but and that's all it goes back

to our saying about It's all gets quite It sort

of escalates quite a lot as it goes through the

issues, but I still really like how it focuses

in on the characters. Things like, of course,

Saga, that's another one. Like the James Tynion

books, Department of Truth. Because if anyone

isn't really in Department of Truth and wants

something a bit different, quite different, then

that's something you definitely need to check

out. It's such a mind -bending read. Yeah, I've

heard nothing but good things about that book.

Mm -hmm. I mean, oh Yes, and you know, it's one

I was forgetting and homesick pilots Okay, I

was I was a really interesting read that it's

all from image comics There might not be something

that everyone's heard of but the artwork was

really vibrant. It's my dad waters Casper Wingard,

that was a really fun read What's the furthest

place from here? So another one of those were

like the long names things like something in

the children those sorts of Lots of interesting

If you want to venture outside of the super around

there's definitely lots of options you to go

with oh, yeah, absolutely What is your favorite

run or story arc of a series so a favorite run

would be like Batman 1971 that runs from issue

like four to seven or something but story arc

could be any any story arc that hasn't ended

beginning and ending the 2018 Justice League

run that sort of keep mentioning Scott Snyder

but that was such a cool run that I because it

it started the I've been reading comments for

a couple of years before it started in 2018 but

that was sort of the year I really got into connecting

like single issues like going like week to week

is like a Wednesday warrior and I remember just

on collecting that once a month like the whole

like 39 issues or whatever and it was just such

a fun time sort of like world superhero ideas

and that adds some great storylines within things

like um also absolute carnage And that's when

I when I mentioned that was a fantastic event.

I really enjoyed that Very cool. Yeah What is

one comic you can read over and over again single

issue or trade I Think I've read and alienated

I mentioned a bit. Okay. I've read that a couple

of times and I'll probably just read that more

times because it's like short enough that it's

quite easy to reread because it's only like a

six issue single trade. So you can sort of reread

it without taking up too much time. I got the

Young Avengers on the bus when that came out,

the original run. So I'm quite excited to read

that series again. And I think it is things like

that there so when They're releasing like on

the bus of like the runs that I already love

like the venom and I mean hopefully eventually

get I could just to see I think those be the

stops the ones that I can solve to have it like

a complete thing It's just not the same when

you have to like put out like 39 issues or whatever

Like all in one book, yeah, you can just like

do and like absorb or maybe even just read like

a favorite storyline or I think accessibility

plays a big part in what you still reread. Absolutely.

That's one of the reasons why, for the most part,

I've always loved the digital stuff because you

don't have to worry about space. And I never

do omnibuses again. I don't care what story it

is. I've told the... You may not have heard this,

but I've told the listeners or the listeners

out of my voice know that I've been telling the

story since 2014 or whatever. We were going to

do our first Punisher month where we were going

to cover various classic Punisher stories. And

at that time I was not on the digital stuff yet.

I was still on the print. I was still getting

weekly issues. I was still getting physical trades.

Well, we were going to do welcome back Frank.

Welcome back, Frank. In trade form is 12 issues

in one hardcover book or one softcover book,

whichever it was at the time. Damn thing weighs

at least 15 and a half pounds. I fell asleep

reading the book in my chair. The book fell out

of my hand and crashed to the floor. It was not

because of the content of the book that I fell

asleep. It was because of the weight of the physical

book. Yeah, the next day I signed up for Comixology

and I had not looked back at all. Like, physical

comics? Fuck them. Done. As far as reading for

the story, you know, kind of thing. But, but

yeah, no, those, oh man, those omnibuses, oof,

hey. Yeah, that was some of the... and also because

it depends on the like the paper they use there

are some um there was some of them were sort

of like maybe like a thicker paper but a shorter

or like the maybe not to get technical but like

in terms of like the binding some like the DC

and Marvel ones I like similar lengths but I

like so much like thicker or shorter because

of the where they have like flat or curved binding

I remember when I was sort of first getting into

the omnibus I had the the most morales um on

the resume there's like ultimate universe stuff

and i remember i was just like lying in bed um

like reading it one day like a few years ago

and it's sort of just i'm to like sort of like

rest it on my i'm like and my knees in bed and

my mom just saw it looking at me it's like it's

like that doesn't look like very comfortable

and then like so literally like for christmas

this year oh that year um going to be like a

book stand thing to like rest them on. And it's

been one of the most useful presents that I've

ever gotten. I just use it all the time, especially

for those omnibus things. It's incredibly handy.

Yeah, absolutely. So are there comics you avoid

altogether? So you go into your local comic shop

and you see, let's say, Radiant Black, Batman,

Superman, Spider -Man, and then... Larflees,

or whatever. Like, are there comics you just

don't gravitate towards? I definitely sort of

gloss over, um, lots of, like, the Star Wars

stuff from Marvel. Like, I sort of acknowledge

it, and... Mm -hmm. I sort of, like, see it there,

but I just don't think much of it. My boyfriend's,

like, a massive Star Wars fan, but I've sort

of still not really... Got much into it. There

are some writers that there's some certain runs

that have left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

I should probably go and revisit it because I

sort of hear good things about their other stuff.

It's like, one day they wrote this one thing

that I didn't like. But yeah, so there are some...

It depends. I think a lot of the time, unless

I hear like... Awful things about it and this

is like atrocious. Mm -hmm. I might give it a

try but then sometimes um You've only got like

the limited money and limited time so Like a

lot of the time you just don't have the time

and money to try something that you might not

like and that's not like to say that you shouldn't

expand your horizons because yeah, it's a other

it's not like an interesting balance between

like trying new things and being like, well,

this doesn't look like my thing. That's like,

I might try eventually, but yeah, it's still

like, get like a balance of like, it's like,

I want to try this because it's new, but also

I need to sort of try and like prioritize what

I, what I sort of think I'm more likely to, I

think after a few years, you sort of start to

sort of know and learn your tastes. And especially

when So like in your in the community when you

have like friends with similar tastes or different

tastes you can sort of work out what you think

you might like from that I think it's just It

also sort of like depends and you have to stop

there. No. Yeah Yeah, no, absolutely. It's it's

just one of those things where It just depends

on what it is. And when I say avoid all together

for me, it's like have I read some of them? Yes.

Did I enjoy what I read? Yes, but in general

I'm not reading horror comics because I'm not

a horror person. You know, like I'm just not

not doing that. It's not that I, you know, I'm

not passing judgment on them. It's just not my

thing. And if it's for other people, fine, great,

whatever. But those are the things that I would

avoid. So are there. any comics in the past or

currently that you wish you had not read them

so like you get finished reading a comic and

you're like why did i waste the last 20 minutes

of my life reading this thing oh man there were

there were sort of certain things over the years

where i didn't sort of have any experience with

them but they always looked quite cool I always

thought that the deal of like spiderman 2099

Not cool that sort of era. I love that costume,

but I I haven't sort of really ever read anything

with that and then When I um, I dropped the I

had dropped the nick spencer spiderman run by

that point But I sort of heard that they were

gonna bring 29 to 9 into it. I was like, oh,

okay So that sounds neat. So like I'll try again

to uh, the first couple of issues or so were

fun But then by the end just sort of like deviated

away from that to something else and it was just

It just I was like, okay. No, that was that was

not a good idea. Yeah. Yeah, it was yeah Definitely

like a couple of times and that was like, yeah

I feel like it's it's quite rare. I tend to lots

of people around me. So I've said this I'm so

quite positive and I tend to Enjoy a lot of what

I read so when I don't sort of like something

just happens off a few times then so like I really

didn't like it Yeah, I mean that's the same,

you know, I mean that's the I think that's the

same thing with everybody like for me Yeah, do

I like radiant black overall? Yes. Are there

things that I absolutely love in that series?

Yes. Are there things in that series that are

not? I just don't really care for yes but overall

radiant black is a comic book series that I enjoy

for the most part so I'm not gonna go out and

try to find something that I like is going to

make me feel like well I wasted my time I should

fire that day yeah so you know and of course

for me radiant black please please she's just

the godmother leave Kathy out of the story god

damn it. Oh God, yeah. You spend enough time

in the Raiding Black Discord. Oh yeah. I'm going

to start posting pictures of mine because my

mom's name was Kathy and she passed away seven

years ago. So it's like, when I read that, I

was like, oh, okay. She's just the... you know,

overprotective godmother. Oh my God, what happened?

What happened? And then everybody, and I blame

Matt. I blame Matt more than I blame bash, but

Matt's like, Oh, she could be this, this ultra

cool alternative. Maybe she's the robots, you

know, human. I'm like, Oh my God, you guys are

breaking my brain with these, these hallucinates.

Like, I know we still don't know what that book

is yet, but come on. It turns out, blame Matt.

Absolutely. Every time. Yeah. All right. So everybody

is safe. You, your parents, if you have siblings

or whatever, everybody's safe, but the house

is on fire. What is the one comic book you could

never live without ever? See, I think it would

have to be that Justice League number one. Mm

-hmm. There are of course a few other things

that could potentially be replaced if you have

the money or whatever. So I could definitely

just get along because it's only four or five

years old. So it's not exactly rare, but there's

just something so special about it. Because also,

when it came out, I hadn't it was like so early

on that i hadn't actually set up a pull list

yet so i just sort of knew what i wanted as i

went in i just sort of like looked around for

them and then i couldn't see any anywhere but

i had my i had the justice league shirt on and

he was like oh did you know there's only number

one coming out i was oh yeah i'm just looking

for it and then he pointed me to one it was like

one of the only ones left oh geez it's just sort

of quite a cool um Yeah, it just it's a lot like

sentimental value isn't it that you have yeah

Yeah, absolutely What was the most money you

spent on a comic book or a comic item? Comic

item could be a prop replica a statue an art

print that kind of stuff It was um Well, well,

of course because the only person I'd expect

Yeah, I'm exactly cheap I almost went the wrong

way around there. But it has to be something

that's King of the Children, number one. I got

into the series. I bought the first trade and

I devoured it, basically. And I just jumped straight

onto the single issues. And then I got to a point

where I was keeping an eye on number ones on

eBay. So keeping an eye on them, I was like,

well, it's like, I don't actually, like, I can't

really justify it then. And of course, it was

sometime in, like, May, must have been, like,

last year. And of course, like, Tony puts out

some, like, news or something, or teases something

on his newsletter, or there's, like, movie news

or whatever. And it, like, doubles in price.

And it's like, and then there was, well, I say

cheap, but it was, like, relatively cheap right

now. There was a couple of auctions. I thought,

well, the auctions are going to go up a bit.

Thought it's like I did really want it. So I

just I went friends, you know, sometimes you

can't always give into that sort of financial

and other reasons, but Sometimes it is nice just

to get something that you really want like that

Yeah, yeah, I think for me with that kind of

stuff It's more of like and it's not even about

spending the most money It's just about getting

like like I said a full color art print or something

like like oh, yeah, like, you know For example,

let's just say that this is, you know, like,

uh, who's is, oh God, remind me who's the, I

can't believe I'm forgetting this. Who is the

artist on Marcello Marcello? There we go. Marcello

Costa. If I had Marcello and Becca do an art

print of all of the radiance with me, like, you

know, that, that would be cool. Or if it was

that image from, I think it's issued. Three or

four whenever radiant black and radiant red are

first fighting with their flying at each other

Like if I had that is our print, you know, like

and that's the thing. It's like with the art

prints It's like it's not really about how much

money you spend on those It's more about like

but like some of these statues and some of these

other item things. They're not they're not cheap

They're not like ungodly there. They're not like

multi -million dollar mansion expensive, but

they're still not cheap either So yeah, very

cool. Very cool Was there ever a moment when

you were completely done with comics, you just

walked away? i feel like with me because i i

mean i feel like i got into them quite late but

of course it's been quite a while now so it was

earlier than i tend to think but there was never

sort of i really just sort of like expanded like

gone further and upwards and expanded like i

mean there might there might be a time in the

future where i need to sort of take a break or

take a step back but for the moment there's There's

like nothing like that in the future that I can

hopefully say Yeah, no, absolutely and it's just

one of those things where if it's like Why would

you do like that's the thing like when you walk

away from something or when you stop doing something?

It's because you're either not enjoying it anymore

Or you've moved on to something else. Like I

was never I was never a comic kid. I was a cartoon

kid I was watching cartoons in the 80s at five

six seven eight nine years old and And, and now,

you know, because of my love of the Joker, I

shouldn't say my love of people are like, Oh,

you love it. But my, you know, the, what, what

brought me into this and how we are, you know,

we're two and a half, three months away from

10 years of this podcast. And what brought me

in was new 52 Batman 13 that cover with his face.

And I'm like, Ooh, what's this? And the next

thing I know, the next 10 years of my life flashes

before my eyes. And here we are an episode, you

know, a hundred and five hundred and five and

five hundred and six and five. I don't know what

we're doing this year, folks. I have and have

not made a plan yet. All right. What are you

reading right now and what do you think our listeners

should check out? So recently, well, so in terms

of like connected editions and things, I've been

starting the Walking Dead first compendium of

that. I mean, that's not like an absolute classic

if you haven't read that already. Over the past

year or so, I read a lot of the classics that

people tend to throw around like and invincible

and you know saga the first book of sandman those

sorts of classics like yes i can as someone that's

read them recently i can affirm that they are

as like classic and worth defining of that status

as people believe them to be things like um batman

superman world's finest something's king of children

those sorts of like series you sort of get thrown

around a lot that again are as good as people

say they are Um, there was one recently, um,

Little Monsters by the Mick Jeff, Jeff Amir and

Dustin when that's it. I almost said Justin.

That's not right. Um, I need to, I still need

to read the sender, but I've been, Oh God, I've

been so be like, I've had dissenter. in my comics

ology wish list since whenever the hell the trades

started coming out years ago. I think I did.

So back for when we started and we got to 100

episodes of the show episode 100, I did this

thing called new number ones or. number ones

for 100 kind of thing. And we each picked a number

one or whatever, and we all talked about it.

And I picked, I think I picked the sender number

one and I liked the story. I thought it was cool.

And I thought the number one was great. I just

never went back to it. It was just one of those

things that was not tops on my list. But again,

like I've been saying throughout this entire

episode, folks, I have and have not made a plan

for 2023 for the podcast yet. So. You may be

seeing and hearing things on this show that I've

been planning since 10 years ago. I mean, um,

looking at some of my pulls here, if you enjoyed

the art on Deadly Class, um, Wes Craig has got

his own sort of solo image series going on at

the moment. Okay, yeah, that's a couple of issues

in as of now. That's been really fun. We're excited

to see where that goes. And things like Love

Everlasting. From like an all -star creative

team on that that's been super interesting Mm

-hmm on the most super aside things like Nightwing

Just a fun read strange Academy That's something

that's super fun for Marvel. That's a bit different

But still within the Marvel universe that people

should be really I think or giving a try at least

Yeah, what's of like new characters there that?

It's got a very like wholesome vibe to it, but

it's also like not afraid to be like dramatic

and So intense at times, but like so like intense

and like a sort of like kid friendly It's sort

of it's not necessarily like a kid's comic, but

it's like suitable for kids if that makes sense

Yeah, it's not as it's not as bright and shiny

as Some scholastic books, but it's not as dark

as frank miller. It's somewhere In between that.

Yeah very cool and um the new Again, as of recording

the new Fantastic Four issue one came out the

other week. There'll be a few issues in by the

time this goes out, but that was fun. So I'm

excited to see where that goes. I think finally

I have to mention Lovesick by Luana Vecchio.

A year ago, as this goes out, she did the art

on Bolero by Kennedy and that was super interesting.

Again, lots of image comics, but Highlights is

absolutely gorgeous and lovesick. It's a very

Interesting concept and if you saw know what

it's about or look up what it's about then you'll

sort of immediately see what I mean because it

won't be for everyone but I think it's I mean,

there's only one issue out so far again as this

has been recording but I'm very intrigued to

see where it's going to go because it's slightly

off putting a bit almost in a good way. So we'll

see It's called lovesick Yes, okay one word Very

cool. Very cool. Ah Heroes heroines anti heroes

and heroines or villains. What archetypes are

your go -to character reads? I think um It's

uh, I mean of course this might be for most people

but it's all depends on the writing if it's written

well Then it could be really interesting and

of course like I know that lots of people have

a good sort of hero story or... I always find

something really interesting and compelling about,

like, villains taking the lead. I've always wanted

to read Forever Evil. I recently got, a couple

of months ago, the Justice League omnibus that

connects that storyline, so I'm very excited

to read that out, read that through. With, like,

the hero and the villain... That was a few years

ago. Again, with that Scott standard justice,

justice league run. That was super interesting.

I think it really depends. I think there's lots

of interesting creative and story choices that

can be taken. It depends on those archetypes

and playing with them. Very cool. Very cool.

Yeah. It's, it's one of those things you haven't

read forever evil, man. I know. I almost want

to tell you, don't do it only because of what.

the former person that worked at DC did to I

I don't call him by his actual last name. His

name is Dan DiDildo is what his name is. And

every time he's like, oh, Nightwing must die.

And I'm like, no, you must get fired. So sorry

to spoil it for you, but. No, yeah, I've heard

about that. But but I know but also I sort of

came into comics with doing the Rick Grayson

era So if I can handle that then yeah, I might

be able to handle anything. Hopefully Do you

have a my parents got rid of my comics story

and No, honestly, there's not much to say about

that one, but okay definitely I saw a couple

of times when I I've sort of like sold stuff

that my friends had got for me. There were a

couple of things where it was like, oh, you're

selling that. I was like, yeah. I was like, oh,

and then I sort of understood there's like, actually

that, maybe not the best idea in terms of like,

you can sort of see like, when you try and get

rid of any gift that someone gives you, you can

see how that's a bit. So, but yeah, apart from

that. Very cool, very cool. What is one item

from a comic book you'd love to have scaled up

in the real world? So examples, obviously Green

Lantern Ring with battery or Batarang, et cetera,

et cetera. I mean, yeah, the Green Lantern Ring

will, of course, be super interesting. Just trying

to think about what options there are. There

are definitely lots of interesting artifacts

and things like that, especially with the possibilities

with a Green Lantern Ring. That would be fun.

I don't know really I mean Oh, I suppose some

of the the flashers rogues guns might be interesting.

You mentioned having like the cold gun in real

life Yeah, I could be like a thing though. I

put was like cold. I don't know this There's

lots of interesting options Yes, there's a lot

of lot of dangerous options, too. Oh, yes Oh,

yes If you could create any comic storyline,

what would you want to create and what characters

would you want to create it with? So basically,

whatever company, let's just say DC gives you

the keys to the kingdom. What would you create?

Well, so interestingly, it's not goes back to

the idea of like DC is great, but I still like

a few characters from Marvel that I would probably,

it would probably something with. Like the Young

Avengers and Wiccan and Hulk thing I'm not entirely

sure what quite the story would be but I think

that would be like a fun thing to go with and

especially to Because I mean they don't have

a lot of stories out there they I mean they have

like a few things here and there of the past

decade or two that they've been around but I

think that's to be sort of especially because

um Since Empire a couple years ago they were

sort of like the new like kings of space and

apart from sort of They appeared so briefly towards

the end of our humans guardians one, but nothing

that them hasn't really so be utilized so I'm

sure there's also an interesting fun story touching

that but would be Fun to read or take with or

do you know? Yeah, very cool. Very cool So, what

is it about radiant black that got you hooked?

I think with the first issue, it was one of those

series when I've sort of accounted for this a

couple of times since then, where the first issue

isn't like, I mean, like it's well done, but

it isn't like blow you away, but you can like

see the potential there. You can see like it's

something special. It's like, some people need

to sort of be like, Grabs like instantly and

I need to know like exactly where the story is

going to go As long as As long as I'm sort of

like I can sort of see the potential in the characters

there It was it was always something that was

like, oh, yeah, this could be very special and

especially within I think it was like towards

the end of the first issue the solicit I remember

now it was I was like all that the radiance don't

belong to them They belong to the the gods and

they want them back by any means necessary And

I'm sort of like, hang on. It's like, that's

super interesting. And I think we might finally

be getting back to that at the moment, hopefully.

But I don't know. We don't even know. But I was

telling somebody, it was like, I need to see

the payoff of this. Yeah. With Radiant Black,

it's like, like I said earlier, it's a whole

new, it's a whole new ball game. And the way

that Kyle story -wise has paced it out so far.

The way that they've created it, it just keeps

you coming back for more. Oh yeah, absolutely.

And especially how it's... I guess I mentioned

earlier, it's been expanded with the different

characters. There's multiple different spinoffs

now. Yep. Absolutely. There's just so many different

avenues and story threads for the story to take,

and it's fascinating. Yeah, it very much is.

What is the one piece of advice you would give

the comics fandom? Oh, boy. I think I'm part

of the camp that thinks that some people take

things too seriously sometimes. I'm not calling

for endless amounts of characters to be written

horribly out of character, like different characters

and things, but I've enjoyed a lot of Tom King's

work that I've read. And that's one writer, just

for example, that often gets criticized by some

people for not writing things correctly, as people

might say. And there are definitely times when

that's sort of like a valid complaint, but I

think sometimes there are things that are a bit

too strict and like as long as it's a good story

and it's not like actively offensive and maybe

sometimes there are sort of things where creators

need to be called out or there are things that

need to be sort of brought to attention, but

other times when... But in a more general sense

of like I think I might have used this as an

example in my own episodes And like if Batman

goes for like a hot dog or something and someone's

like, oh Batman wouldn't eat hot dogs It's like

well, it's like just you don't know like he's

out there fighting crime and then killing, you

know beating up jokers and and and Putting penguins

on you don't know what Batman needs to eat in

the middle of a fight It's like not in a way

to like, um, we're like on like a condescending

way or to like but little fans complain sometimes

but though sometimes it is taken sort of very

like literally in very Like I said like the old

like Batman's hot dog debacle, you know, I think

there's definitely something to be sort of blunt

and Yeah Yeah, it's just everybody calm down.

It's okay. We can you know, we We can all enjoy

the comics. We don't have to... Especially, I

remember sometimes in Big Two Comics especially,

there's been a couple of times when the monthly

format has had an interesting... There's been

an interesting tie between the monthly format

and the actual comics Twitter. I remember a couple

of months before Ships of Dark Seagull's Batman

run started. Somebody was sort of like half joking.

It was like, oh by the time his first issue comes

out people will start like hating on Ships and

Tasking or being like the worst thing that Like

some people like always never written anything

good and then and then like a month or so later

it like started happening though There were certain

things and there's issues like initial to end

or some people were taking things a bit too.

It was like, well, hang on It's like this. This

isn't right. This isn't and it turned out later

They were sort of like written like deliberately

off in a couple of ways in a way that sort of

paid off in a character arc Over the issues where

sometimes there are things which are like set

up and then I paid off like five three six, whatever

months later that sometimes There's only sort

of like a balance between that there are sometimes

again some things that do need to be like criticized

or There are some like valid complaints that

people can make some months to month But there

are other times when there are some things where

it's like they need to be sort of weighted and

stick see you can sort of judge the full story

arc once it's over rather than trying to so judge

something that may or may not be paid off or

like like if it turns out something weird happens

and there isn't an explanation for it running

to the story arc then I mean that's fine you're

allowed to be know about that but if it's like

paid off in like a reasonable way and it's explained

then it's more reasonable and more understandable

Yeah, it's like, you know be patient and figure

it out and just you know don't Look I can have

I'm a I'm 42 years old I have a lot of life in

me and so far to this point and I have at times

and I still do a lot of times overreact to a

lot of things, however You shouldn't like immediately

overreact like the overreaction should not like

Oh like you know you can have an oh my god like

the whole what was it there was something recently.

In comics was like oh my god i can't believe

they that's so cool it was it was one of those

that's so cool kind of moments and like you have

those but you know if you want to be negative

be negative fine that's your thing whatever but

don't. Don't just be. negative to be negative

that's not the it's not a good way to live actually

but and like like everybody else says with this

with this question is you know you know just

calm down like some some some people man just

don't I don't I don't know But but yeah, so we

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your podcast sir so Now I run a podcast called

Joe talks comics. Mm -hmm. I started it back

in October It was one of those fun things when

Sometimes there are some things when it's like,

oh, I wouldn't be caught if I did this. And then

you sort of like think about it for a second

that there was all those, it was like, wait,

no, actually I could do this. This isn't just

something that has to be an idea. I can actually

go ahead and do this, especially with Anchor,

which is what I use to host it where it's literally

like free. It's incredibly easy to use. You can

literally just start from scratch. And especially

when it's been quite cool. the amount of people

i've sort of met online and friends online from

places like not only twitter but also the legal

comic geeks community and like various discords

the amount of people that i've sort of um had

and are going to have on there that it's just

it's such a fun place to like talk to friends

in a more long -form way that you don't really

get a chance to on other social medias where

it happens and messes and it's quite sort of

like a personal thing especially when i so I'll

talk to people about like some of that their

favorite comics and our favorite comics and the

ones we enjoy and love and it's just such like

a fun chill experience that I'm Just so excited

and glad to have done and to keep doing Very

cool. Very cool. Yeah, that is that is awesome.

Yeah, that's that's the thing man. It's like,

you know But it applies to everything in life

as well. Yeah, you know as long as you're enjoying

what you're doing then do it. If you want to

read comics and do a podcast about comics, if

you're old and crotchety like me that has a 10

-year -old podcast, and oh my God, my podcast

is 10 years old. God, I'm so old. Whatever it

is, comics, cartoons, action figures, toys, whatever,

movies, whatever it is, just have fun with it.

There's that. All right, folks. Did you want

to give out your Twitter handles or anything

like that? Um, yeah. So on Twitter, it's just,

uh, Joe does comics and same on Instagram on

sort of the podcast that Joe talks comics. I

was, I felt quite lucky that I managed to just

get like a plain one that literally no other

identifies or anything needed. Um, you can find

the podcast on Apple podcasts, Google podcasts,

Spotify, and then of course, just an anchor.

That's where you want to listen to it. So, so

a few different avenues and things to find me

and the podcast. And yeah, it's been good talking

to you. I just want to thank you for having me

on. It's been good. Absolutely. It's been a blast.

Yeah. The funny thing about the podcast name

game is we're in 2023 now at this point, but

But, uh, 2022 it's like, Oh, what am I going

to call when we start, when I like originally,

and I've told this story before, so the listeners

know this, but originally this was going to be

called the pull list and I had Googled that.

I had looked at it. I had looked at Apple. If

it's on Apple, then you need to figure out another

name, that kind of thing. And I did all the research.

And then my buddy, Michael Powers, Booth Ninja,

he said, oh, what about the pull bag? And that's

kind of where, oh, that works. That's this. I

can say this. I can do that. And here we are

almost 10 years later, over 500 episodes. Holy

crap. and wild yeah it's definitely um quite

fun with sort of like i remember there was a

point where i didn't really use twitter for like

myself like i looked at things but i didn't really

sort of like have much of a personal presence

on there and then a couple years ago when i self

-established like an actual like most brand of

like just like joe loves comics and then made

herself expanded into other things and Because

I remember when I was coming up with the name,

I was sort of like, well, I'm thinking of calling

it Joe Talks comics, but I don't know. It almost

sounds like two on the nose, but no, actually,

that's fine because why not? Yeah. Like I said,

it's all about the research. And if you come

up with a cool idea, you just have to make sure

that cool idea hasn't been taken. Because when

we started back in 2007, 2008, 2009, Like it

was podcasting was there. It wasn't, it wasn't

old, but it wasn't like brand new either. It

was, but it was still in its infancy. And here

we are, you know, 14, 15 years later. And it's

like. I hate to use the old adage, but you get

a podcast and you get a podcast. Everybody gets

a damn podcast, you know? And that's fine. If

you, if I'm not sitting here trying to discourage

it, you know, I say that as a joke because I'm

not sitting here trying to discourage. So if

you, if you have an idea for a podcast that you

think is going to be fun and interesting and

you want people to listen to go ahead and do

it and see, you know. The only way you're going

to find out to see what works for you and whatever

else is if you throw that spaghetti at the wall.

I have no idea what's coming up in episode 506,

folks. I have no plan at this point. I'm still

working on the plan. Thank you for joining us

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Discord. They have a lot of fun over there and

it's, it's super awesome and very welcoming community.

So check that out as well. That was the other

thing listening to bash and Matt. It's like every

time they mentioned the discord. I'm like, okay

take a drink By the end of the second episode

Yeah, yeah, that's not a game you want to play

no, not at all So for now I am TF2 and Mike with

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