Origins with Brad and Lisa Gullickson on Comic Reading and Couples Counselling

Hey, this is Josh Keaton and you are listening

to the GeekCast Radio Network. You've just jumped

inside the pull bag. Join TFG1 Mike and the rest

of the comic crew here at the GCRN as they make

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so much more. It's all inside the pull bag here

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ado, it's time to talk about the comics we're

reading right now here inside the pull bag. Hello

and welcome to the pull bag only on the Geekcast

Radio Network. This is episode 427. It is the

second Wednesday of September. It is finally

the fall out here in Washington State. There

is no more heat dome, one in 1 ,000 year heat

dome. Good Lord, we had temperatures out here

of 115 degrees. This is the Pacific Northwest.

This is the Pacific Northwest, not the Pacific

Southwest. Anyway, I am your host, TF2, and Mike,

and today I welcome to the show Brad and Lisa

Gullickson from the Comic Book Couples Counseling

Podcast. Yay, I didn't do the tongue twister

thing. It is great to be here Mike. Thank you

for having us Absolutely. So I've been listening

to these lovely people for a while. I don't even

know how I found you guys it was through some

comic Twitter thing or some I don't know I follow

all these like podcast movement and whatever

thing to deal with podcasting and I was like,

oh Okay, and then I was like, oh Okay, this is

comic books in a very different light. I'm like

it's easily the best comic book podcast of 2021

Yes, I know Okay, so I had this whole thing planned

out folks to give Brad and Lisa and their show

a bunch of words of affirmation I'm going to

run through this it may not end up in the final

product I have to say since finding the comic

book couples counseling podcast and only is that

title a tongue twister Anyway, I have witnessed

a classic x -men couple in Scott and Jean as

they met the five love languages then I found

out the saga of The fact that men are from Mars

women are from Venus after our planetary exhalation

of the sexes. We tell you don't We tell you Don't

you get it, Selena? He's just not that into you.

But Penguin is. After that, I tried to find my

love senses under the sea with Arthur and Mira.

I'm sorry, telepathic people. Oh, Lord. Which

leads us to being webbed up in the love types

of Spider -Man. Sometimes you just have to turn

off the dark, right? Meanwhile, we are now finding

out that Mating in captivity is a criminal act

of a completely different sexual color. No Catherine,

no horse. Wow, no reaction on that one. Come

on! It's a great Legend of Oz reference! God!

Because sometimes it is very uncommon to let

love have the last word when facing the swamp

thing. I think I might, it might take eight...

80 days not god damn it i think it might take

80 dates not eight dates for rogan remmy to have

an essential conversation for a lifetime of love

considering he can never touch her now we all

know that it is the same bat time same bat channel

each week and we witness bat girl robin the dick

well that went a bit too far However, the dynamic

duo look into how extraordinary relationships

are a new way of thinking about human interactions.

And finally, the sex criminals ask, where should

we begin? And then they state, you can be right

or you can be married. Plus so much more in over

the 100 episodes that the comic book couples

counseling podcast has done in just over two

years. Thank you for that. That was a delight.

It took me 12 hours and half of the books after

Extraordinary Relationships, I'm like, I just

can't fit this in. One of the questions I get

a lot are, what are some of the self -help books

we've covered? And I have a hard time listing

them because we've done a lot of them and not

a lot of them. have really stuck with me. I mean,

yeah, that's the thing is, I love the concept

that we have, but it's like anything else where

you meet storylines, comic book wise, couples

wise, character wise, that you stick with and

that you want to hang out with. And then there's

self -help books that resonate, and then there's

self -help books that absolutely do not. And

even the ones that resonate, you tend to like

... you know, take what you like and ditch what

you don't. Yeah, pretty much. Absolutely. So

we have 25 questions here inside the pull bag

on our Origins episode. Did we lose your mic?

No, are you still there? You got it? Ah, crap.

Technical difficulties. Let's move on, shall

we? You know, I'm getting sick and tired of your

technical difficulties, joker. Why don't you

go bother the penguin or something? Alright,

we are back after the Joker took over the show.

So before we get into the 25 comic questions

that I ask everybody Why don't you guys gals?

y 'all Let everyone in on how You came up with

comic book couples counseling pod. I'm just gonna

say CBCC. I can't say every time I just can't

it's hurting my head We appreciate the effort

I we didn't We didn't think of the title as a

tongue twister, but we have recognized that it

definitely is. Well, as comic book readers in

our personal conversations, we realized that

we both had a very different approach and point

of view when it came to narrative. And my approach

is always like, what is this book trying to tell

me? Like, what is the message? And Brad, what?

What was your perspective? I've always been very

plot heavy with a side of character, and I think

that Lisa is character heavy with the most smidgen

of plot interest when it comes to reading comic

books. So when we were kicking back and forth

ideas for podcasts, I also happened to be in

a big self -help phase. I had just discovered

Gretchen Rubin and Brene Brown, and I was like,

we bring the worlds of comic books and the worlds

of self -help together and then it occurred to

me nobody needs a little self -love and self

-help more than comic book characters. Yeah and

when Lisa initially approached me with the idea

we were out on a walk and I was a little hesitant

about it but you know we kept it kept coming

back into our conversation and after like six

months to a year of imagining what a comic book

couples counseling podcast would sound like,

we just said, well, let's pull the trigger. Let's

make a podcast together as a couple with this

as our focus. Ben, has it not only benefited

my relationship with Lisa and my understanding

of self, It's made me appreciate and evaluate

comic books in a way that I wasn't previously

using Lisa's point of view as my guide. Man,

it was the smartest thing that I ever did was

doing this podcast with her. Oh, that's so sweet.

Here's hoping somebody out there doesn't try

to get you a brand new day, Brad. I'm always

on the lookout for one. Got to watch out. Got

to watch out. Got to watch out to stop one. Don't

let those threads be pulled. That's right Alright,

so how we're gonna do this is we're gonna let

the lady go first and then I'll add you know

I'll have Brad answer the question because I

that's how I always do it with two people on

the show Especially most most of the double guests

are couples that I have on the show. So Well

at least ago first in answering questions that

way nobody talks over anybody and that way it'll

be a heck of a lot easier on me and the editing

Question one. Did you grow up reading comics

and at what age do you first remember reading

or noticing comics? I did not grow up reading

comics like it It literally didn't come up like

I was raised in a pretty conservative household

and And yeah, so so they didn't come up. I started

reading comics in college Because I noticed that

I had a thing for nerd boys and I was dating

someone who was into comics and he recommended

Dark Knight, he recommended, I read all of Sandman,

very angsty, angsty young adult type comic. Sounds

like that boyfriend was riddled with cliche.

He was indeed and it never worked out and my

love of him. It soon faded, but my love of comics

thrives to this very day. What about you, sweetheart?

What does it mean to grow up reading comics?

I didn't start reading comics until I was 10,

when we moved across the country from San Diego

to Virginia. My dad retired from the Navy. In

fifth grade, I was struggling to find friends,

but I did find a comic book store, Joe Gumbinger's

Burke Comics and Books. and I picked up an issue

of G .I. Joe and I picked up an adaptation of

the Robocop 2 movie that Marvel did because I

was a big movie maniac as a child and my parents,

I was the opposite of Lisa's family. My parents

let me watch anything and so I was very much

into violent movies. I loved Robocop obviously,

I loved G .I. Joe, I loved Arnold Schwarzenegger

and so those were my first comics, those licensed

things. And once I discovered that store near

my house, I kept going back and I got into Eric

Larson's amazing Spider -Man run. And then, you

know, Claremont and Jim Lee on X -Men. And then

it just took off. And I've been reading comic

books ever since, you know, with maybe like a

year or two break in high school. Like, I think

sophomore year, I stopped reading comics and

I came back sophomore year of College so that

that's kind of interesting a four -year break

All right, let's see so This more pertains to

Brad but I will frame it for Lisa as well when

you were a kid or an adult Which characters were

your favorites? I? Did grow up reading comic

strips and I love I had a Garfield alarm clock,

but I think the comic strip that was most influential

on me was Calvin and Hobbs. I loved how naughty

he was and how clever he was and how Hobbs really

balanced him and acted as his more mature Kind

of conscious his little Jiminy cricket and I

think I got my entire vocabulary from that comic

like that that Calvin and Hobbes didn't like

they never aimed for a Childhood of reading level

and I felt like I had to read my way up to really

understanding Bill Watterson's Calvin and Hobbes.

Comic strips are comic characters, like comic

strips and comic books. I mean, they're practically

the same thing. I think they are. Yeah, right.

Like that counts. Yeah, yeah. So the we would

always look forward to the Sunday Washington

Post where we could get everything in color.

But like to this day, my mom and dad start their

day by. reading the comic strips and pointing

them out to each other. And like every single

one. Your parents read every single one, even

the boring ones. That's my dad. My dad really

does read every single one. My mom is more choosy.

I was always one for the funnies. I didn't like,

I didn't like drama. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

I mentioned Spider -Man. Spider -Man was my first

like official comic book. character that I was

in love with. And then, yeah, it led to the X

-Men and, you know, the melodrama around all

the relationships is what really attracted me

as a young teen, a pre -teen. And, you know,

my first fictional crush was absolutely Jean

Grey. And I was very invested in her relationship

with Scott Summers. And I guess what? I still

am, very much so. Right now, what's going on

in Krakoa? I need to know. Yeah, I would say

for me, around that time in the mid -90s, I was

14, 15, and I was more on the cartoon side back

then. I knew about comics and I dabbled a little

bit, but I was not hardcore into them. But for

me, it's always going to be. If Spidey has to,

if I'm, if I somehow in some alternate universe,

I'm Spider -Man, I'm picking Black Cat over MJ

any day. Oh my God. Jennifer Hale's voice in

that cartoon. Oh man. All right. The age old

question, the one that causes all kinds of fights

couples or friends or enemies or whatever. DC

or Marvel? Marvel. Marvel first and always. My

first after once Brad and I met and we were falling

in love. I think the first series he had me read

all of the way through actually was Hellboy.

And then the second series I read all of the

way through was Ultimate Spider -Man. And this

was all happening around the same time that the

MCU started kicking up, and yeah, I'm a Marvel

girl through and through. Yeah, and I've always

been a Marvel zombie, although I do love DC Comics

quite a bit. But whereas, like, I know... I don't

know. You can't say you know everything about

Marvel, but I obsessed over Marvel. A big reason

was those trading cards that came out in the

90s and those encyclopedias. I read all of those

for Marvel, and I never did that for DC. I've

never really investigated deeper into DC continuity

beyond the the seven traditional Justice League

members. I don't really know anything about the

Legion of Superheroes, but I'm interested in

the Legion of Superheroes and all these other

tangential characters that DC has. We're married

to Marvel, but the relationship is open. That's

right. Basically, you cheat with DC. It's completely

consensual. Everybody knows. Can you imagine?

Did you guys ever watch, and I know this is completely

kind of off topic, but did you guys ever watch

that late night show called Cheaters, where they

would try to go around busting couples? And I'm

like, oh god. I did, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I'm

like, oh man. Yeah, and those X -Men trading

cards, I had a set of the blue and the gold team,

and I lost them at some point. I was like, damn

it. I sold them off. If there's anything that

these two companies need to do is they need to

get the 90s DC versus Marvel four -issue series

on digital on Comixology. It's not there yet

and it makes me so mad. Yeah, I'd love that.

I'd love to give that a read again. Yep. I had

all four of those issues years ago now. All right,

moving on. What other publishers do you enjoy

reading? Oh, man. Right now, I'm really enjoying

First Second. All of their YA novels that are

coming out are so good. I really get a sense

that they are really mindfully curating what

they're publishing, and everything that I've

read of theirs has been just really extraordinary

quality. Yeah, I mean, there's not a publisher

I won't read from. I think it's an extremely

exciting time to be into comic books right now.

Image is killing it. New publishers like Vault

and Aftershock are killing it. Oni Press is awesome.

Boom Studios is awesome. There's just so much

right now. And that's the challenge is every

time I go online, someone is raving about some

comic book from some company. I'm like, oh, I

got to get that one now. Yeah, I would say my

top recommend right now. is Radiant Black from

Image. So good. Yes. All right. This question

is going to sound weird, but it is what it is.

Print or digital, which one, both either or and

why? We're print first. Well, I'll speak for

myself. I'm print first. I enjoy holding a book.

I enjoy the totem of having a piece of the story

on my shelf, though I've discovered that sometimes

reading when your lover is asleep on a light

up pad, you know, it works really well. And now

because of digital, I feel entitled to have accessibility

to anything and at all all of the time. So sometimes

if it's not available, To me immediately in print

form. I will read the digital and enjoy it Yeah,

I mean I'm this like I I'm also a physical obsessive,

you know, like I still buy blu -rays I still

buy DVDs, you know, I will always have I still

sell DVDs really good. They sure do Or well,

like do they sell still sell DVDs or do I still

buy? old DVDs on eBay. You know, you can't get

Tom Cruise's losing it on streaming anywhere.

That was literally our last purchase. We're doing

a retrospective on Tom Cruise in this apartment.

And so we had to buy the disc. But I do like

digital comics. And once I was able to get an

iPad, I discovered how much I really loved blitzing

through comics on Marvel Unlimited in particular.

Also, it's interesting when you discover the

reading experience on digital being superior

to the physical experience. The final issue of

Daniel Warren Johnson's Beta Ray Bill, a series

which is one of my favorites of this year, there

are two awesome splash page moments that when

you're reading digitally, you just turn the page

and turn the page and then boom. Here's this

amazing moment with Beta Ray Bill versus Certer.

But then when you read it physically, when I

finally got my single from Big Planet Comics,

that splash wasn't a two -page splash as presented

in the digital format. It was a splash vertically.

So you had to turn the comic vertically to read

it. And I was like, oh, well, that's not as pleasant

a reading experience. times where the art, when

it's illuminated on a screen, pops in a new and

different way. I think it's just a really wonderful

way to experience the art. Yeah, I reread Kyle

Baker's Truth, Red, White, and Black, and there's

a particular explosion panel in that comic when,

backlit by your iPad screen, it was revelatory

to see that panel lit that way. So yeah, I don't

know. I like them both, but I'm always gonna

be physical. If I had room to do it, because

sadly Funko Pops take up all my room, if I had

room to collect comics, I would not be one of

those people that has 90 long boxes of single

issues. I would specifically collect collected

editions to the point of, like if you look at

IDW, they do their, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

IDW collection volume 1 and what they do in these

IDW collections is they put the stuff in story

order. So you might have TMNT 1 through 4 plus

mini series 1 through 7 or whatever, but it's

all fit. That's what I love about specifically

IDW. I don't know the other publishers do it,

but their collection Books is that it's all in

story order and it's so much easier to read especially

when you have to podcast about it Yeah, yeah

for me and I every listener of mine hears me

say this every time when I ask this question

I Welcome back Frank put me to sleep. Oh Yeah,

not because of the content of the book not because

of anything to do with it, but because it's a

12 -issue omnibus holding that in my hand like

I literally fell asleep the book fell out of

my hand and Hit the floor and I woke up and I

was like what? Like a week later. I was on Comixology

and then their guided view and the story panel

the the Storyboard type of viewing and I'm like

I can never go back to print to read read them.

I can never go back to print Yeah, I can see

that and those like big omnibuses. I mean they

They're not fun They're unwielding. Welcome back.

Frank is thick, but what if you want to read,

you know, Jack Kirby's commandee and you break

your spine reading that thing? Yeah, break your

wrist. You'll break your spine. Yeah. All right.

Who are some of your favorite comics writers

and why? Oh, that's a toughie. I'm enjoying so

many right now. My favorite run of all time.

is the combination of Dan Slott and Mike Allred's

Silver Surfer is my very favorite. But I super

am enjoying Kelly Thompson right now. Who else

do I love, sweetheart? I mean, we just read Dragon

Hoops by Jean -Louis Yang. Oh my goodness. This

book was so good. I am ready to tear through.

everything he has ever written. And you've read

a bunch of his already, like you love Boxer's

Saints already. He's a masterful cartoonist,

you know, doing double duty. Yeah. Yeah. You

know, for me, my all time favorite creator is

Mike Mignola, the Hellboy series. Lisa briefly

referenced it already. That's like. my favorite

thing on the planet. If you were going like,

well, what's your favorite movie? What's your

favorite book? What's your favorite comic? I

would just say Hellboy. Mike Mignola trumps everything.

I also adore Jeff Smith's Bone series. Daniel

Warren Johnson, we can't not mention him. We've

mentioned Peter Ray Bill once already. He's the

most exciting writer, artist working right now

for me in the field. If you haven't read Murder

Falcon, do yourself a favor. Yeah, that's that's

good stuff. But you know, then, you know, like,

I mean, I love, you know, Lisa mentioned Ultimate

Spider -Man in the early aughts when I was in

college, Brian Michael Bendis was an obsession

and I read everything by Brian Michael Bendis,

although I don't tend to read his stories right

now. And maybe that's because he jumped over

to DC and I'm not as obsessed with DC. I don't

know. That's funny What defines a good story

to you? So what does a story have to have like

you read that first issue and You like it But

what is like the one or two things that it absolutely

has to have for you to want to come back to read

more? That's an easy one for me like a dynamic

introspective character who wants to change and

wants to be better I'm a character person first.

I love to watch a character fail and then learn

and then change. And of course, I like to watch

relationships in particular. And I don't just

mean kissing books, though I love them. I like

to get to know characters by how they interact

with others, how they influence each other. That's

my thing. Yeah, I mean, for me, it can be anything.

I want to go back to the other question, though.

I forgot to mention Stan Sekai and Asagi or Jimbo.

Asagi or Jimbo is one of my all -time favorites,

too. But to me, I will love a comic for any kinds

of reasons. I can read a comic that has a terrible

story, but awesome art or an awesome idea. I

can read a comic that is all character, zero

plot. I can read a comic and love that something

that's just style. over substance. A good comic

is just something you know when you see it, and

it could be for any number of reasons. Very cool,

very cool. Who are some of your favorite comics

artists? Mike Allred is my very, very favorite.

Yeah, I would go back again. Obviously, I really

love the people who do double duty. So like Mike

Mignola, Jeff Smith, Dan Sakai, Daniel Warren

Johnson, Tom Scioli. Oh my God, like I love Tom

Scioli's art. I mean, if I love Tom Scioli, obviously

I have to love Jack Kirby. Jack Kirby is comics.

Absolutely. Do you have a favorite non -superhero

title? You go first sweetheart a favorite non

superhero title I Mean the answer is yes The

question is is like what is my all -time favorite

non superhero title? I mean, I guess that would

be bone right but You know, that delves with

genre, that delves with fantasy and adventure.

That's like Walt Disney meets Lord of the Rings.

What's something that I love that's just dramatic?

Well, Dragon Hoops. I love Bloom. Oh, you love

Bloom, yeah. So that is Kevin Panetta. and Savannah

Ganacho. It's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, like the obvious Indies, you know,

Chester Brown. I like all the yummy fur stuff.

It's weird and wonderful. Daniel Klaus. Love

all the eight ball stuff. Ghost World, obviously.

So good. Ice Haven. Yeah, it's so funny when

you're asked on the spot, like, what is what's

your favorite stuff? And you're just like, well,

I just like I just love everything. This is exactly

why I don't share the questions with the guests.

That way it's honest and open and interesting

and sometimes downright shocking. I've had a

couple episodes where I've asked the questions

that I ask and people just go silent. One of

my guests, Desmond Reddick, he was episode 401

of the podcast, I asked him one of these questions

and he just like ... Literally, I could hear

somebody punching him in the gut. We just read

Old Head by Kyle Starks. We enjoy him a lot.

He's a great artist and a great writer. I mean,

all of Kyle Starks' comics are worth picking

up. Old Head is coming out on the 21st, I want

to say, but Kill Them All is brilliant, Sex Castle

is hilarious, Rock Candy Mountain, Assassination

Nation. I loved his Mars Attack story. What is

your favorite run of a series so the best obvious

example I can give of this is Batman's been around

for 90 80 90 years whatever and we've had multiple

runs within that so like if it's Batman, and

I don't remember the numbers, but let's say 996

to 1000 or something. Me, that's easy. I've already

mentioned it. It's a slot in already silver surfer

run from beginning to end is perfect. Yeah, like

I love the idea of going like, well, what's the

best Batman run? And then, OK, you know, everyone's

going to say like the Dark Knight returns, whatever.

I like personally, I'd go like the long Halloween.

What's the best Spider -Man run? OK, well, I'm

going to say, you know, Bendis and Bagley's ultimate

Spider -Man run for me. Oh, oh, I actually have

a great answer for this. But it's a standalone

series involving Superman, and it's an obvious

choice. And we didn't mention Grant Morrison

earlier as far as favorite writers, and I'm ashamed

to have not mentioned Grant Morrison, because

Grant Morrison's probably my favorite comic book

writer. And their all -star Superman run with

Frank Quietly, oh. Yeah, that is Superman. That

is some powerful stuff right there. That's that's

what a superhero comic should be. Better be careful,

Brad. They might cancel you if you don't mention

your favorite all time people. Yeah, I know.

I know. I don't want them to cancel me. I just

I I've never read All -Star Superman. I saw the

animated film they put out a number of years

ago now. Yeah. And I just look at that title

and I'm like, are they calling Superman an ass?

Star Superman. Yeah, no, they are most definitely

not. I know. I know, but it just. You can't unsee

it, I guess. That reminds me of my all time favorite

team book, which is DC. So it's interesting that

my all time favorite superhero story is All Star

Superman. And I said that I'm a Marvel zombie,

but that's a DC book. And then my all time favorite.

team book is a DC book, and that's Darwin Cook's

The New Frontier. So good. Which was also made

into an animated film and pretty good. Yeah.

That is so good. So, so good. All right. What

is one comic you can read over and over again?

You always go back to it, single issue or trade.

I mean, Lisa, that's Silver Surfer. I'm so redundant.

But like to me, that's like, that's exactly my

niche. Yeah. Where it's two people, super introspective,

they both come from a really well -meaning place

and their foibles and misunderstandings are completely

relatable and they both change each other in

a way that's better. I don't know. It's just

so good. I mean, for me, if I would just look

at recent memory, Stan Sekia's grass cutter Two,

Usagi Yojimbo, a lot of people mentioned Grass

Cutter One, which is a great comic book collection.

But the sequel to Grass Cutter, Grass Cutter

Two, I've read that three times since lockdown.

And I just think that that is it's the most comforting

and powerfully, profoundly emotional storyline.

that I've read recently that, for whatever reason,

I just find it calling me back over and over

again. So yeah, three times this year. I also

really enjoy rereading My Boyfriend is a Bear

by Pamela Rabon. It's so good. It's so cute if

you haven't read it yet. Cool. Awesome. Now,

generally, we don't like to go in the negative

route, but there has to be some. Negative questions

here other comics you avoid all together. So

like you go into your local comp you go into

your local and and Brand new day and whatever

other spider -man tomfoolery doesn't count but

you go into your comic shop and you see a book

you've never seen before and it just It's just

not your thing. You're not interested in it.

You have you know, you're just like I can skip

it kind of thing That's easy for me. It's John

Layman's chew. Really? I do not like it. Yeah,

well, I have a very specific and weird phobia.

I have a metaphobia, which comes up a lot with

chew, because it has to do with eating yucky

things. Also, as much as I love Eric Powell,

Like, sometimes Goon also gets like a little

yucky. Yeah, but then, you know, he did that

Ed Gein book and you loved that Ed Gein book.

That was amazing. Yeah. So what I don't like

is V. Yeah, I would say you haven't mentioned

the thing that you tend to actually avoid, which

is like nights and fantasy stuff. You don't really

enjoy that. I don't enjoy anything that looks

vaguely like Tolkien. I'm like, no thanks. And

I hate that about myself. I truly do. But I don't

like a quest. Yeah. Well, we're going to fix

that because we're going to finally get you to

read Bone. It's going to happen, Lisa. And for

me, I feel like I'm a pretty open person to any

kind of story. And I feel like if it's well told,

I will enjoy it. That being said, You know, like,

I love Ed Piscore. I love Ed Piscore. I love

X -Men Grand Design. I love WYSIWYG. I love Hip

-Hop Family Tree. But his current book, Red Room,

is so revolting and gross and nasty that after

the first issue... I just couldn't join him on

that splatter punk adventure. And I think if

I was 15 years old, I would be really into it.

Like the kid who loved Cannibal Holocaust and

Fulci Zombie films and Dario Argento. Not even

Dario Argento, but like the really gnarly grind

housey stuff would love Red Room. But Brad in

his early 40s is not really interested in Red

Room at the moment. There you go. Are there any

comics in the past or currently that you wish

you hadn't read them? What are the books that

basically left a bad taste in your mouth that

you're not gonna go back to? You know, even experiencing

a story I don't like, I don't feel like I ever

wish I hadn't read it. Like I always feel like

even if I gained a new perspective, like I guess

if there was a story that had traumatized me

in some way, I suppose I wouldn't want to go

back to it, or had triggered some kind of trauma

from my past, I guess I wouldn't want to go back

to it. But I can't think off the dome where I'm

just like, well, you know, chew. I was like,

no thanks. I'm not going back. But I mean, that's

like such a specific me thing. And it is not

at all a criticism of the comic. Yeah, like I'm

trying to think if there was a comic recently

where I was like offended by it. And I don't

really think so. Like I can think of movies where

I wish I had not seen that film because I found

them to be deplorable or they did trigger some

kind of horrifying reaction. But I can't really

think of a comic book right now. Maybe it'll

pop into my head. The sad thing is, the first

thing I think of when you mention movies, I'm

like, oh, Green Lantern is 10 years old now,

ugh. Yeah, but you know, like, Green Lantern,

okay, I agree, terrible movie, but it has a Taika

Waititi cameo in it, and it's not even a cameo,

it's a supporting role, he's the best friend

of Ryan Reynolds in that film, and so, like,

it's hilarious to go back and go, like, oh, look,

Taika Waititi was in the Green Lantern movie,

and I love Taika Waititi now. How large or small

is your physical comic book collection? That's

a very personal question, Mike. I can't believe

you asked this. I mean, the nice thing is we

stopped counting years ago. Are you talking just

floppies? Are you talking like including all

of our collected comics and the whole the whole

shabata? I mean, where we're sitting in our apartment,

every wall is lined with bookshelves. My walk

-in closet is filled to the ceiling with single

-issue comics. I have spinner racks. We have

piles of comics currently sitting all over our

living room floor because it was just free comic

book day and we've just spread comics everywhere.

We have an embarrassment of comic books. I don't

know how many tons that is. And I mean, I think

it's why we have not moved from our apartment

is because when we do move, we're going to have

to move all these books. This could be so heavy.

I mean, it's going to be nightmarish, Lisa. Yeah.

We're extraordinarily privileged and we do buy

a lot of books. I'm 42 years old and I've been

buying comics since I was 10. Right, so that's

32 years worth of comic books that I have not

thrown away And so and there's still a lot of

stuff at your parents and there's still a lot

of stuff in my parents house and Since Lisa and

I got together when Lisa and I became an a couple

when we started dating and then she was into

this stuff like that gave me permission to like

You know pedal to the metal and on collecting

and so I went wild and Lisa goes wild And so

between the two of us, we have built a castle

of comics inside our apartment. Time to buy a

house. Yeah, it is. Maybe if we didn't spend

so much money on comics, we could afford it.

I think right now our options are build a house

out of comics. Pretty much, yeah. What is the

one comic you could never live without ever?

So heaven forbid you, if you have any pets or

anything, everybody is safe. but the apartment

building burns down. What's the one comic you'd

run in and save? That's easy for me. You go.

I mean, it's Avengers number five, when Captain

America joins the Avengers, Jack Kirby, Stan

Lee. To me, the actual artifact, the actual item

is not precious. If the story still lives out

there, I'm okay with losing that totem. That

being said, I do have a collection of original

60s monkeys comics that would be a pain to recollect,

so I would probably grab those. And my playing

cards, and my monkeys playing cards. Not to sound

gross, Lisa, but if there was a fire, I know

you'll take care of yourself. I'm going for that

Avengers 5 first. Yeah, you go, sweetheart. Yeah,

I'll be getting peaches. I'll get my I will get

my pet snake That's not true, it's not true,

but I love that comment What is the most money

you ever spent on a comic or a comic item? So,

you know if you bought something that was graded

or a comic item could be like stuff from SDCC

or NYCC or that kind of stuff I know that answer

Lisa, if you want to take it. Oh yeah, you go.

I mean, we tend not to actually spend what I

would call a lot of money on a particular item.

Like the most I've ever spent on a single issue

comic was when I was 12 years old and I bought,

from Burke Comics, Uncanny X -Men number four,

the first appearance of the Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver,

and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. And that

was like... I want to say it was $130 is what

I spent on that. And I have not spent more money

on a single issue comic. Now, collectible wise,

in high school, I bought Randy Bowen's statue

of Frank Frazetta's Death Dealer. And I've had

that since, I don't know, that was high school,

so that was like, I don't know, 13, 14 years

old. And I spent all my lawnmower money. on that

statue. Since then, since we've been a couple,

I think the most expensive thing we purchased

is the Pale Man statue. Yeah, does that count?

That's not comics. I mean, we bought it at Comic

Con in San Diego. And the reason we spent money

on that, and that was like $300, is because Guillermo

del Toro was doing a signing of that statue only.

And so we bought the statue so we could meet

Guillermo del Toro and get a signature from him.

Yeah, we just dropped a couple hundred bucks.

I don't haven't actually done the math on a meet

and greet with Mickey Dolan's of the monkeys.

We bought a signature drum head and an eight

by 10 and we paid for the photo. And OK, I just

thought of another one. We're just going through

the expense. We're not independently wealthy.

We're just really, really irresponsible. Yeah,

we bought. During the pandemic, we bought some

original art from Stan Sekai of Miyamoto Usagi

for 300 bucks. Yeah, we're pretty lucky to have

some really cool pieces of original art that

would have to come with it. But I also know that

there are people out there spending all kinds

of crazy dollars. I don't think we've spent any

kind of crazy dollars on one thing, just our

lifestyle. Our lifestyle is really hard to maintain.

See because I only got into comics Well because

of his show honestly like I've always had a healthy

respect for comics. I've never not liked comic

books but at the same time I was more into animation

and movies and video games and that kind of stuff

and until It was hmm. It was Batman 13 from Snyder

beginning of Death of the Family, when the Joker

was coming back and that cover with the face

and the this and the that and the whatever, my

buddy Steve, who's the co -creator of the Geocast

Radio Network with me, he's like, yeah, you have

to read this, because you're going to hear Mark

Hamill's voice in your head as soon as you read

it. And I'm like, oh, OK. Next thing I know,

eight years later, I have over 400 episodes of

a comic book podcast. So it is what it is, I

guess. I mean, if I was going to spend like,

yeah, to me, it's like, oh, just give me a Batman

Beyond Funko pop and I'll be fine. And I already

have two of them. So I'm good. And now, Brad,

I know you mentioned this earlier, but I kind

of put these questions down here as they kind

of they kind of sort of run together, but I might

need to reorder them. Was there ever a moment

where you were done with comics? I mean, Lisa,

was there ever a moment where you were done?

Because it feels like you started reading comics

with that boyfriend, and then you stopped after

that boyfriend, right? Yeah, I did. I did for

a time. But then we started dating again, and

I could name the four comics I had read, and

you're like, ooh, she's into comics. Right, right,

right. Was that intentional? No, not really.

Like I wouldn't say I was into comics. I would

say I had read comics. Yeah. And then for me

in high school, you know, when the speculator

thing went bust and Marvel, like I think I want

to blame the clone saga. That's when I stopped

reading Spider -Man. And when I stopped reading

that, I pretty much stopped reading superhero

comics. And then for two years, I wasn't reading

comics until I was walking through a Borders

bookstore and I saw a copy of Hellboy the Chained

Coffin. And for whatever reason, that Mignola

cover... on that Dark Horse trade paperback caught

my eye. And because that was an anthology, like

a collection of several Hellboy stories, it was

really easy just to read in the store. And I

was like, well, this is rad. I need more Hellboy

stuff, apparently. And then buying that Hellboy

trade got me reading Hellboy, and then reading

Hellboy got me back into the habit of reading

comics. Very cool, very cool. What are you reading

right now and what do you think our listeners

should check out? What am I reading right now?

You just finished some YA's this morning. Yeah,

I literally just finished this morning kiss number

eight which is a YA book that I thought was really

cute. Last night I read Anya's Ghost, which is

another YA graphic novel that was really cute.

I'm currently working on a list for a thing,

so I've been pretty entrenched in the YA space,

but it's a lovely place to be. I just read Brain

Camp, which is a fun little body horror for teens,

which I thought was really cute. Yeah, and for

me like the best thing I've read this year is

Gene Luen Yang's Dragon Hoops Which looks like

a comic about basketball and I am NOT a sports

person by any means But the first panel is an

image of Gene Luen Yang going like I hate basketball

and that's the beginning of his basketball saga

and Like reading that comic made me understand

and appreciate the sport in a way that I never

did but more importantly It's the way that that

comic is told And it's the way that that comic

could only be told as a comic. It is a masterpiece.

So if you have not read Dragon Hoops and whether

you like basketball, hate basketball, it doesn't

matter. You are going to love this book. So I

highly recommend Dragon Hoops. This morning I

started, I can't remember the writer and the

artist on it, but it's this Canadian comic called

The Case of the Missing Men. And the back of

the book describes it as Scooby -Doo Nancy Drew

meets David Lynch, and I would actually say that

it's not that it meets David Lynch, but it meets

Twin Peaks. So if you like the idea of Scooby

-Doo hanging out in Twin Peaks, I think you'll

really enjoy the case of the missing men. I'm

sure most of our fans would say, as long as Scrappy

gets murdered, it's okay. I have not come across

the Scrappy equivalent yet in the book, but I'm

sure he did. Alright This is just it's an overall

archetype question But heroes heroines anti heroes

and heroines or villains. What archetypes are

your go -to reads? Go to yeah, well heroes for

me. Yeah Yeah, and I you know, like I do read

everything but I'd be lying if I didn't say my

favorite stuff is superhero comics My favorite

is reluctant heroes. They're like, I don't know

why this power came to me, or I don't know why

this issue is coming down to me helping, but

I'm here, and I'm going to do the best that I

can. That's my favorite. You guys really need

to read Radiant Black, then. Oh, I've read Radiant

Black. I love Radiant Black. Oh, OK. Lisa has

it. I haven't. Not yet. Yeah, you should really

read it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so this

is a... This is from our other podcast question

or thing because I have a my parents get rid

of my toys story so I Co -opted the question

for comics. Do you have a my parents got rid

of my comics story? Um, I don't like I do remember

like So I didn't collect comics as a kid, but

I remember coming back from Brad and my honeymoon

and my parents were like, come on over. I was

like, sounds great. And they had moved everything

from my childhood bedroom to the middle of the

floor of the family room and was like, take what

you want. The rest is going in the trash. And

I immediately burst into tears. And so now my

childhood bedroom is still in their home like

just in boxes. You know they were nice that once

they saw you crying they're like okay we won't

throw it all away. I'm very blessed to have a

mom who is into all of this stuff so she would

never get rid of my comics. So I got to send

a lot of love to my parents for holding on to

so many long boxes in their house that are technically

mine. My stories, it's really like the stories

of me getting rid of stuff that I wish I hadn't.

I mentioned that uncanny X -Men number four and

a few years ago I sold it so Lisa and I could

go on vacation and we had a great time. We did.

We had a lovely vacation. I do have pangs of,

oh, I wish I hadn't sold that comic. Yeah, absolutely.

What is one item from a comic book you'd love

to have in the real world? So, for example, a

Green Lantern Ring. Like, what's one item that's

in a comic that you would want to have upscaled

for real world use? Oh man, Green Lantern Ring

is a good choice. I mean, I don't know if I'd

use it responsibly, but a Twilight pen would

come in handy. Just dip into the past and rewrite

some stuff. From Journey into Mystery, Loki?

Yeah. I love swords, and I love swords with names,

so I mentioned grass cutter. It would be cool

to have grass cutter. Now, would I go on a quest

with grass cutter? No, I am a very Non -violent.

Non -violent human being, but I like the idea

of owning a fictional sword, especially grass

cutter. Captain America's shield, you can buy

collectible versions and I have friends who have

purchased them. We don't have a Captain America

shield. I kind of would like that. Yes. I kind

of want it only if it actually worked, if it

was the real thing. Yeah, absolutely. But the

sad thing with that is there's a lot of responsibility

and legacy that comes with that though. Yeah,

I mean, you know, like Lisa mentioned how comics

can be totems for her and I, you know, I have

items in this apartment, which I feel like have

power where, you know, like not to sound like

a, you know, a super superstitious person, but

you know, like I have my grandfather's pocket

knife. When I hold my grandfather's pocket knife,

I feel like I'm holding my grandfather's hand

still. I sense his energy in it. When I pick

up a fictional representation of Captain America's

shield, there is some sort of tactile experience

that I'm holding onto. I'm a very sentimental

person is what I'm saying. All right, if you

could create any comic storyline, what would

you want to create with it? And what characters

would you use? So basically pick a comic company.

They give you the keys to the kingdom. What would

you do? Lisa and I talk about this occasionally

Like, you know, I love Captain America He currently

is probably my favorite Marvel hero. But I don't

know if I necessarily have a great Captain America

story in me right now. I do think I could write

a really kick ass Hellboy story. You know, what's

so awesome about Hellboy is it can fold in so

much mythology and folklore from all over the

world and throughout history. So there's a lot

to play with. using his world that I think would

be a lot of fun. I would also love to see, not

even necessarily me, but I'd like to see what

somebody else would do with Stan Sekai's Miyamoto

Usagi. That's a character that he has total control

of, and he has not really given that character

to anybody. He's popped up in some Ninja Turtles.

comics. And of course, he's popped up in the

Ninja Turtles cartoon shows. But for the most

part, Stan Sekai has held onto Miyamoto with

an iron grip. And I would like to see what other

creators would do with that character. I would

love to do a story with Hindsight and Morph.

Oh, man. From Generation X. There are so many

beautiful, underserved that are waiting to be

told. But I think hindsight, in particular, with

his particular talent, I think has the capability

of telling a story about empathy that no other

character could tell. I just know, I know what

comic book I'd want to write. Ooh, what? You've

triggered it in my head. Okay. I'd like to write

a Star Trek comic. Yes. You know, like, Star

Trek's one of my all -time favorite franchises.

encountered and read lots of good Star Trek comics,

but I still think we're waiting for the great

Star Trek comic. And I'm not saying that I could

write that great Star Trek comic, but I'd like

to give it a try. Yeah, absolutely. All right.

Last question. What is the one piece of advice

you would give the comics fandom? That's a lot

of responsibility. With great power comes great

responsibility. I would just say read more books.

Sometimes I find the best stories reading in

some little niche genre I never would have anticipated

loving. I think that one thing that comics readers

become preoccupied with is what's coming out

currently that is good. And I need to be reading

all of the current comics because nobody, how

are you supposed to know? what's going to be

the story that people are going to be talking

about, or I want to be able to say, I was there

when, I bought this in single issues, where I

go like, the stuff that's coming out today has

not been sorted out yet. Stories are coming out

every single week where they're precious, but

they're going to fall away through the sands

of time. So I would say yes, read what's coming

out currently, Also, double back. Dip into comics

history. We've had a lot of fun reading Claremont's

X -Men. Just dip around. Dip around time and

space. Just explore. My advice would be to let

go of what you hate. I don't care what you don't

like. Yeah. And if you don't like something,

I think that it is much healthier for you just

to go like, you know what? This isn't for me.

I'm glad somebody else is enjoying it or whatever,

and move on. Don't tell me what you don't like.

Tell me what you like. I'm in it for discovery.

So when I log on to Twitter or Instagram or Facebook

or whatever, I'm looking for new books that are

rad. Tell me about the rad comic books. Don't

tell me about how DC is screwing up or how Marvel

screwing up or how they've ruined this character

or this is in Star Wars, blah, blah, blah. I

don't care. But I do care about finding something

new that's cool. Yeah, very cool, very cool.

Yeah, but Brad, that's how certain websites make

their money off the clickbait articles. I mean,

they have to do that kind of stuff. As somebody

who writes those clickbait articles, I understand.

But when you see those titles and you get mad

when it's like, oh, these are Jackie Chan's best

movies, and then you open it up and you're like,

what Jackie Chan's best movie is the Rush Hour

trilogy? Don't tear that young kid who's being

paid nothing to write that article an a -hole.

Just go out and celebrate a drunken master. Find

the Jackie Chan movies and talk about the Jackie

Chan movies that you love without filling the

Twitter sphere with rage. Yeah, it's just one

of those things where I see, and I'm not going

to name any websites, I would, but I'm not going

to. RBC, I'll put it that way. Flip that around,

you'll know what it is. Where certain websites

will do, oh, these 25 facts you never knew about,

I read the first 10, and I'm like, I knew all

of this. Yeah, I know. Mike, I totally get it.

But I am one of those guys that writes those

lists. And the reason we write those lists is

because people do click on them. And what I like

about those lists is it is a place to start a

conversation. What you have to understand is

that those lists are coming from a point of view.

So when Brad is currently writing the top 25

best moments in Star Wars animated shows, just

know that it's Brad's list and Brad's a dumbass.

You can tell Brad that his list is wrong and

because it is wrong compared to how you would

rank it. But like all All I'm trying to do is

celebrate Star Wars, the animated universe. I

think that's what those lists are trying to do.

Not all of them. Some of them are certainly trying

to stir the pot, but mostly it's about, let's

talk about this thing that we love. Yeah. I think

those articles, even though we call them clickbaity,

we are all geeks. This is called the GeekCast

Radio Network. We've been geeks for years. We

know all this stuff. Most of these articles that

come out from these websites are for those people

that may not know. Like, oh, here's 25 things

you didn't know about Batman the animated series.

Right. Me personally, I can check off every single

one before I'm done with the second one. Always

dangerous to title a list. these are the things

you have not seen because I guarantee you, there's

a guy who's like, yeah, I've seen all those things.

Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. When I allow myself

to get on Twitter and have a sad, it's generally

over people saying that fandom is innately toxic

and that fan culture is built around, is it Marvel

or DC? You have to pick one, you know? my Twitter

to just those people who are celebrating joy

and love. We follow you, Mike, and you're always

so positive and wonderful. For the most part,

I break down several times a year, but yeah.

I do think it's important that when we're out

there in the semi -anonymous internet space,

that we're doing our best to weed to weed the

garden. And by that, I don't just mean like,

hey, you know, if somebody incites you, don't

follow them or, you know, make sure that you're

blocking the words that are triggering you. I

also say that you, I really encourage each and

every one of these listeners to think of how

can I propagate joy and love and a sense of community

in the online space for my fellow comic book

fans or other nerds. Like, with CBCC, Brad and

I have very few rules, but one of them is to

really try to stay very positive and joyful and

always celebrate what we love and never put a

spotlight on something that we don't like. Which

is hard. It's super hard. It's challenging and

it is a practice. It's a practice. You have to

work on it. Yeah. Especially when, and look,

I don't want anybody to lose their job or anything

like that, but I am not sorry to say I am so

glad Mr. DeDildo is no longer killing Nightwing.

I, oh, Dan DeDio, oh, that's the one ragey thing

for me is like, you're killing my favorite character,

he's better than Batman, leave him alone. You

know, you just gotta you gotta let that rage

Go and just enjoy and appreciate all the aspects

and all the stories of Nightwing that are working

for you. There you go. Yep So it is the second

week of September. What do you guys have planned

for this month? Oh We literally just today. We

haven't started promoting it though. We have

just dropped into our our timeline our We just

released our episode on Marvel What If Scott

and Jean Wedding Album. That's super fun. We

are also putting together for the end of this

week. Well, it'll be in the past. So those will

all be out. Oh, when is this episode? It's coming

out in September. Oh, sorry. I am practicing

living in the present. So currently we are celebrating

DC Comics. That's right. We are launching an

episode on Martian Manhunter, the maxi series

written by Steve Orlando and illustrated by Riley

Rosmo. And then after that, we will have a new

series of four episodes on Green Arrow and Black

Canary. So, you know, we are Marvel zombies,

but it's time to really get in it with DC Comics.

Let's get out of our comfort zone. Feels great.

Yeah, that's right. Are you starting with the

wedding special, I assume? We're not starting

with the wedding special. We're starting actually

with Green Lantern, Green Arrow. I think it's

issue 78 with the cult of Joshua. But we will

be getting to the wedding of Green Arrow and

Black Canary. Yeah, that was one of the first

physical books I ever bought was that issue.

It was so, so good. All right, where can the

people find you guys online the podcast if you

want to give out your personal Twitter's any

of that kind of stuff Well, you can find the

website at comic book couples counseling comm

we're on every Podcast platform that's worth

the damn and if we're not I'd like you to let

us know and you can let us know by emailing us

at cbccpodcast .gmail .com or finding us on Twitter,

cbccpodcast, Instagram, cbccpodcast, Facebook,

Comic Book Couples Counseling. My own personal

Twitter is at mouthdork. It's hard to explain.

Please explain it, Brad. We need to know this

story. This is why I have people on this show.

My first blog that I launched in 2011 with my

buddy Matt Constantine was called In the Mouth

of Dorkness and when we launched that blog, I

started the Twitter account along with that blog

and I thought it was really funny to call my

Twitter handle Mouth Dork and I'm not letting

it go. I'm not letting it go so I'm at Mouth

Dork on Twitter and Instagram. And I'm at SidewalkSiren

on Twitter and Instagram. Very cool. Do I have

to explain that? I came up with a handle in middle

school and I stuck to it to this day. Absolutely

awesome. All right. I am at TFU and Mike on Twitter.

You can also follow at the pull bag on Twitter.

We're also on Facebook. You can get all the other

contact info in the outro because I have a pre

-recorded outro for that because I can't run

through it on every single show. It's another

mouthful and I've already had way too many mouthfuls

of running through comic stuff today Coming up

next on the pull bag is I have no idea you'd

think I'd know what's on my own podcast It's

like I don't plan out a year in advance. Oh wait,

I do Coming up in September. We've got a lot

of radiant black. We got behind with issue six

So that'll be the next episode. Transformers

Beast Wars 7 and 8 will be an episode. Radiant

Black 7 and 8, again, as long as they're out

by then, I think they're supposed to be, because

that's the second to last week of September.

So yeah, that should be out by then. And then

a couple of years ago, I did this thing called

The Way of the Comic Book Part 1, where I brought

a comic writer on and just got their opinion

of the industry and that kind of thing. I brought

on superstar writer Pat Shand who did Robin Hood

for Xenoscope. He's done several things from

Marvel. He does a lot of his own Kickstarter

stuff with like Destiny NY and Kick -Ass Barista

and things like that. And we just had a fun chill

conversation so I kind of want to revisit that

and obviously the way of the comic book part

too. I'd like to find a writer and an artist

to just ask about the comic industry, especially

now since where the comic industry is going,

considering, you know, that big V we all are

dealing with. So there's that. I cannot say any

more words of affirmation for Brad and Lisa,

folks. Go check out. CBCC, I can't say the full

title again. Literally, my tongue is so far back

in my mouth, it's crazy. Go check them out. It

is very, very awesome. I am a podcast marathoner,

so I have listened to almost every single regular

session episode. I have not caught a lot of the

interviews, even though I know I need to go back

and do so. But I can safely say I've listened.

And for me, I'm like, oh, I've never read that.

Spoilers don't affect me because half the time

I'll forget so it's like it's a big deal You

know, it's like Perfect example I can give and

this is just so silly and stupid. I'm not even

friends with this person anymore but back when

I think it was at season 1 or season 2 and there

was a Daredevil fight in a stairwell and one

of the seasons of Netflix's daredevil and after

I saw that I took a screen cap of Daredevil beating

up on some guy in a stairwell and I said, wow,

the choreography on this scene is really cool

because it's not often you see people fighting

in stairwells because hello, it's so confined

and whatever else. And this guy was like, oh

my God, it hasn't even been 12 hours since the

episode went online and you're already spoiling

it. And I'm like, how am I spoiling it? I'm talking

about choreography and fight scenes. I didn't

say Daredevil was, you know, kicking the crap

out of Karen Page. Not that he would, obviously.

But you know what? It's like, oh my god. So,

yeah. Anyway. Where was I? I lost my train of

thought. Yes, we are going to get the heck out

of here, folks. Make your greatest gave to comics.

Go check out Brad and Lisa on Comic Book Couple's

counseling podcast. Look, I did it. Yay. Yeah.

As they said, they can be found on any podcatching

client you choose to use. I prefer Spotify. It's

just easier that way. Uh, yeah. Like I said,

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