Batman Beyond Rebirth: The Long Payback Part 1

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to talk about the next story arc in the - Batman

Beyond Rebirth series from DC Comics. This is

The Long Payback Part 1. Now, you might be listening

to this and say, Part 1? TfU and Mike, what are

you talking about? Well, The Long Payback is

a six -issue arc. We're not sitting here for

six hours recording one hour per issue folks.

We're just not doing that So this we're gonna

cover issues 14 15 and 16 which are the first

three parts of the long payback And then next

week in episode 315 will record the rest and

release the rest so that's why the art folks

has episode 314 and 315 in the in the pullback

logo area because Even though it's going to be

two separate episodes I was not wanting two separate

arts, because it's just one long story line.

So the long payback. I mean, I know it's been

a while since we did episode 298 and 299, where

we talked about those in -between issues and

then the rise of the demon arc. How are you feeling

with the Batman Beyond Rebirth series at this

point? I'm loving it. Same here. It's a little

more coherent now that we've gotten back into

that more comfortable established tableau of

Bruce and Terry and now Matt and Dana versus

the Tim Drake Batman Beyond stuff was great,

but it just kind of felt disjointed. I liked

the Tim Drake's entire run because I thought

it was something new, something different. And

then it put the whole twist on, hey, Terry isn't

actually dead. Well, one Terry was, because basically

he went back to the past and got killed thanks

to Future's End. But what Dan Juergens has done,

since he's taken over and done this whole rebirth

thing, is tell great stories, I feel. Because

not only is he telling originally Done stories.

He's also tying back into the mythos He's also

tying back to the cartoon series at certain points

and things like that And it's just it's so fun.

It's Other than when DC puts out he man stuff,

which I think injustice versus Masters of the

universe is coming at some point Unless they're

doing that, I mean, I want to get into the other

Rebirth series. Like, I started reading the Nightwing

Rebirth done by Tim Seely at first. I know Tim

Seely is not on the book right now for Nightwing

Rebirth, but in the beginning he was. So I started

reading that, and I want to read the Batgirl

one, and I eventually want to read Tom King's

Batman. I just don't have enough time to, and

I have all these other things I'm doing. Yeah,

Batman Beyond is pretty much my go -to when it

comes to... comes to DC at this point yeah my

go -to of DC right now is the detective comics

so we're both on that Batman train just different

eras obviously yes you're stuck in the past and

I'm stuck decades from now yeah don't get me

wrong like I love the Tim Drake stuff but you

know it's that little fat meaningless fanboy

grape in the back end this isn't my batman sort

of thing it's just you know but here is my batman

beyond and tim brake did a great job i'm just

saying i enjoy it more when it's bruce and terry

not bruce and tim but here's my gripe about it

is yes you're right it's not you know it's not

you know the one true batman beyond however I

know it kind of happened in Teen Titans, but

I always wanted New 52 Tim Drake Robin to have

his own series outside of Teen Titans. Just him

by himself, some sort of murder mystery series

or something. And putting him in the future and

putting him in the Beyond Suit absolutely did

that for me. I absolutely love that. So, with

Terry now being alive, we've gone through...

We've gone through the apocalypse. Well, there's

that. What was that first arc? Not Cradle to

the Grave. That was a DMX and Jet Li movie. I

don't know. We went through the first arc, we

went through the second arc, and now we're here

with this, the long payback. When you first heard

the title of the arc, did you think that payback

was actually going to be back? you know now that

honestly didn't cross my mind like I heard the

long payback and I was thinking okay, is this

gonna be like Batman taken like an Elmore Leonard

thing like a Little Jackie Brown a little out

of sight something like that cuz that's what

the title said to me With all the movies and

the TV shows that I've seen over the years is

the long payback. Okay, somebody's coming for

revenge, but the actual villain payback it did

not like It did not click in my head that that

was going to be the central villain. Yeah, it

kind of is and it kind of isn't. I mean, you

have somebody pulling the strings and everything

else. So we open issue 14 with the Royal Flush

Gang. And we have this hologram looking thing

who, at first I thought it was the Joker because

the Joker is back. Yeah So It's the mysterious

malefactor to but borrow a name from one of my

favorite YouTube series And and I love that you

know we they don't have the Queen they don't

have ten It's just King Jack and ace and also

the Phil Hester art Yeah, you know back on art.

We haven't seen his art since mark of the phantasm

when Kyle Higgins was doing his run Yeah and

I mean granted you look back at it when I first

became aware of his stuff in the 90s and and

he's always had this very like animated style

like it's just his art you know could easily

translate to like a direct -to -dvd animated

film or something so but yeah no the mysterious

malefactor says get the job done or I'll take

the money back and You know King's like we got

to do something big something momentous and we

go back to Wayne Manor and I Love how after the

APA the the robot apocalypse, you know, because

the technology of the Teddy Ruxpin should have

been guarded more closely You know, they've got

the flying like the the hover cars backs, you

know We got the hover ambulance and Matt interior

brought Bruce home and he's like You know, you

gotta stay in the chair, and you know, he's like,

my cane! He's like, fine, I'll stay in the goddamn

chair. Mm -hmm, because he nearly fall - he pretty

much falls back into the chair. Yeah, so now

he's less Batman and more Professor X. What I

love here is his line, and I can so hear Kevin

saying this. If you think I'm gonna let a horde

of nurses and caregivers into this house, dun

dun dun. How about that? we know you wouldn't

go for that so yeah well we moved in mr wayne

and then it's like i'm sorry batman smiles batman's

not supposed to smile because bruce is just kind

of like okay it'd be nice to have kids around

the house yeah um and the thing about this is

like if you remember watching the series which

i remember the series like the back of my hand

Matt was too young at the time in the series.

Obviously, he's getting older at this point.

He's more impressionable at this point. And for

some odd reason, he takes to the Damien Wayne

Robin. Ugh, God. Well, that's really the one

suit that's closest to his size. I do like the

Professor X comparison is apropos because Bruce

has a hover chair. That's how they get him down

the stairs and I like the fact that you look

the page before how Hester and a lot of artists

I don't know if it's intentional or they tend

to draw Batman Beyond Bruce as looking kind of

like Chuck Heston Yeah, and I can see him especially

like where he's like no you're right Terry my

home is your home and he's still got that Smile

in his face is like I could totally see Chuck

Heston playing this brew this Bruce And I love

how they still have that carousel of Batmobiles

because you go and see Matt's playing around

with the 66 Batmobiles just sitting there. in

my brain I had like a Captain America in Avengers

I get that reference exactly well because you

have to I mean they don't actually show it in

the book folks if you've read this this issue

everybody but they do show him like you said

walking around the 66 Batmobile but it's the

Batcave if you don't have a carousel of all of

the Batmobiles or at least most of the most famous

ones that have happened in the last almost Next

year is 80 years of Batman. Oh my god. My head

hurts. Oh the insurance premiums Technical difficulties,

let's move on shall we but I love how in this

series like all the artists they've made an effort

you have Four main things that you need in the

well five you need the bat -eared bat computer

in the background with the giant You know flat

screen. You need the penny the Joker playing

card Rexy and Carousel Batmobiles. I don't care

how the rest of the Batcave is laid out. If you

have those five things, I'm sold. But, you know,

they get back to it. Bruce and Terry are talking

about, you know, the new suit. You know, what

do you need, Terry? It's like, I need to be Batman.

I might have been Christian. That's who I am.

Like, Terry's totally accepted his destiny as

the Caped Crusader. Of the future at this point

and then yeah Bruce shows in the new suit and

he's like, yeah I went back to the original gave

it a couple of tweaks and the AI and it's like

gone So I mean later on in this series and I'll

mention it when it comes up later but like the

Alfred AI that they had previously I thought

they I thought they had reconstituted that in

the last arc, but maybe I misunderstood it what

they were writing but so basically Terry's gone

back to be pardon me basics And so as far as

you know how the suits tech works. It's all him

at the wheel He can't just you know put it on

cruise control Yeah, the bad suit isn't a lawgiver

everybody So we cut to the royal flush gang and

they realized that they have to do something

bigger than just normal heists to get Batman's

attention And they have an idea to attack the

Neo Gotham renewal revival festival thing and

then we see Dana and she's Doing some workouts

with her coach and all of that and the future

buttons of steel. Yeah And Terry shows up and

they have a moment and Then it's brown chicken

brown cow. Mm -hmm. Yeah pretty much We go back

he's a grown man folks. He has needs Dana's a

grown woman. She has needs. Yeah, the two be

happy together The one thing I do and don't like

about that scene has nothing to do with the implication

of what they're going to do but it's more so

He's like She's hoping that he's gonna give the

Batman thing up. He's like, no, I've embraced

it That's who I'm supposed to be. Oh, I was hoping

God shut up Dana We go back to the Batcave and

Matt is just you know enthralled with all of

this Commissioner Gordon calls Yes, yes, she

certainly does Sorry, just bring it right there

for a second. I do like in the background how

there's little Easter eggs that they tie this

into the modern day bat continuity where you

see Duke's signal costume in between the Red

Robin and the classic Red Robin costume which

is... That's the design that came from alex ross's

kingdom come on the left and then then there's

the modern updated Robin costume that tim drake

is currently wearing in detective. Yeah, but

it's like matt is quizzing bruce about you know,

it was good for the robins to do what they did

and all that and You know, but you grow out of

it, you know, it's not you know, one stays robin

forever Yeah, and then Robin forever the next

movie title Just full body shutters Calls are

sorry Barbara calls Bruce that your first thing

she does is you know kind of bitch him out a

little bit for you know not telling her he was

leaving the hospital and She's like there's rumors

of a new mass vigilante You wouldn't know anything

about that would you and Bruce's is like just

poker face. I have no idea what you speak of

and Then she tells him about this new like more

intense radical Joker gang and while while they're

talking shop and Bruce is like hey I don't suppose

you could let me into the police database again

huh huh and while they're you know flirting with

each other like that and it's cute the way they

do that matt goes off into like this you know

forgotten corner of the bat cave and queues up

training videos of bruce and damian yeah and

he starts training essentially like he wants

to be robin yep and the suit is now complete

they have to figure out a way to get it to terry

i love the new bat signal like how they take

control of the outside of the neo -gotham buildings

because you know there's not clouds all the time

yeah that's true So provided we can get the suit

to your brother we got cut back to Terry and

Dana Dana is sitting in the bed half naked Terry's

in the shower She screams he's like oh and then

there's a giant bat It's a hover drone. Yeah,

I was gonna say drone, but You know you could

have called Times of the essence you still could

have called You could see the grit teeths and

dare. He's like asshole. Yeah now when I first

saw this this panel here where where Bruce's

drone is flying off and he says Batman is needed

and Dana's like this must be the chaos you were

talking about Is it just me or does the bat beyond

suit look like a symbiote here? Yeah, just the

way it's the way he's holding it in the way I

know it's late with circuitry and all that but

yeah, it's just it just looks like so much spandex

and I also kind of the way like she says this

must be the chaos you're talking about the Cindy

I was kind of clinging back against Terry's like,

oh dude, you fucked up Yep. Yeah, he's like dude

party following, you know, they go to this renewal

festival building and Batman shows up and starts

kicking All the ass pretty much. Yeah Like I

love that you see them. They're in there. They're

blowing up stuff in this museum and There's a

statue there that I would swear. That's the same

statue from this movie a horror movie the Wishmaster.

I saw years ago message, it's Mesopotamian aren't

I know that much but I love that full plate shot

of Terry just Power diving through them. He's

like you were saying and they all get scattered

like bowling pins Yeah, but then yeah while he's

kicking that ass. He also starts getting his

own ass kicked in renewed Oh, yeah, because he

makes a mistake and Bruce is like whatever you

do. Don't let ace get his hands on you Well,

that's a little too little late little late there

a bonus might be in order break him ace and we

have a classic shot of That that's how it ends

basically 8 aces activate bane subroutine You

know because I like that and they make mention

of the new jack is like or the new ace No new

new jack is more savage and I like the fact that

he's got like that laser eye which May or may

not be a callback to the royal flush game that

showed up in Justice League doom Because the

jack there had this laser eye that the league

was having a trouble Getting passed until flash

vibrated through the wall and knocked his ass

cold But yeah, we we end this first issue with

you know ace doing the nightfall It's like I

know how to super relax your back. It's called

the nightfall subroutine And that's how issue

14 ends Wow, yeah, I did not see that it's a

hell of a thing for them to do that cuz I'm just

kind of like damn Mm -hmm walk it off Terry walk

it up Yeah, we get into issue 15. I love the

covers for this cuz you've got the return of

the royal flush gang with batman kind of buried

under the cards and the cards basically standing

tall queen or ten queen jack ace king uh... and

then the secondary cover is the rfd cards which

are basically toppling on top of him i love that

i thought that was so cool and just that like

absolutely maniacal look on king's face he's

just like hey i'll get you this time batman So

as we open yeah very much skill to our as we

open this one Bruce is seeing you know remembering

when Bane broke his back and all of that and

Terry's like Thought that you know come on ace

you really thought the break the back over the

knee routine would work against the suit that

can withstand gunfire There's Maddie's just like

Don't know I know he says it's schwae time, but

I think if you've ever seen the show Gravity

Falls, there's this little Scrawny little guy

who's like get him get him That's what Matt reminded

me of in that moment But yeah, I don't ever want

Batman characters to ever be assimilated with

or associated with Gravity Falls Oh, that is

such a good show But yeah, so Terry starts putting

foot to ass again basically cuts ace in half

well yeah because i love that early he sends

like an electric battering through him and like

shreds him you can see like the robo ribs and

the the motor oil and everything it's just like

it's it's pretty gruesome i mean i i know he's

a robot cyborg thing but androids have feelings

just ask data um yeah so King, that basically

puts King into a spiral because Ace was the last

remaining member at this point of the original

Royal Flush Gang. They had to rebuild him, they

had to do this, they had to do that. And this

is where the story kind of shifts after this

battle is kind of over. Ace is down, Jack is

down, and King is down. We go to this really

cool shot of Batman flying through the night

sky and it's all purple clouds and almost looking

like a bat signal, but it's him and There's the

stalker. Oh boy. The stalker is back Yeah, although

I do like where Terry's finishing him off You

know how I just love that image where he Jack

is about I can torture you just by looking at

you and Terry, you know boosts himself up and

you just see that scene of It's like in a cartoon

when somebody lands on the one end of the two

by four and the other characters on the other

and he just gets Catapulted like that. Yeah,

you know just that image and it's like I Love

the king the nave cannot focus on two foes simultaneously

Those has heard the gauntlet of challenge or

would that be half? And he takes him out with

a double bolo and yeah, you know he takes on

and I do like that image of Terry silhouette

against the moon like that's to me that's reminiscent

of that scene in batman 89 when you know batman

flies it up like vertical like that and goes

into freefall because he's going to take the

joker out but yeah the mysterious malefactors

you know i i knew they wouldn't succeed though

i do think they would do a little bit better

yep and then you know he's like two months of

food will be delivered to stalker's village just

as soon as he brings batman to this guy and then

we get and I forgot about how he got shredded

in the pre someone the previous series that we

see he's got like the cool robo legs and yep

you know the the hand like he he's more machine

than man now yes and we go back we see matt's

training and he's kind of doing like when I saw

this do you remember a movie called bulletproof

monk from like the early aughts sadly yes again

not the greatest movie in the world folks but

i i find it highly entertaining he's canadian

people he likes bad movies get over it there's

so many ways to respond i choose not to save

time anyway uh... in the film of them one of

the main characters this young guy named car

it's stifler from american pie he trains himself

in kung fu by watching old -school Golden Harvest

and Shaw Brothers kung -fu movies in this theater

and he basically shadow boxes Which is what Matt's

doing here is he's basically copying the moves

that while watching these Holographic training

vids that you know Batman is saved meanwhile

a another mysterious malefactor has broken into

Wayne Manor and Steals a picture of Terry. Mm

-hmm. It's ten We don't know that yet. It has

to be yeah, and I mean who else has those curves

in this universe come on now Fine it's 10. I

wanted to have a little mystery But I do like

how Terry comes back in the window and this is

a scene that it's my first thought went to spider

-man for all the times Peter crawled in the window

and started snuggling up with Mary Jane But this

is also like a classic Batman trip of him coming

in and you know snuggling with Vicky Vail I mean

Julie Madison, I mean Silver St. Cloud. I mean

Barbara Gordon Fairchild Yeah, the Batman is

As much as they've compared Daredevil and Nightwing

as being him -boes, Batman's not a slouch in

that department either. Nope. He just prefers

quality over quantity. Yep. But we got Terry's

canoodling with Dana and Stalker's keeping an

eye on him. Next thing you know, boom! And not

the good kind of fireworks. Nope. And there's

like Terry's on fire, Dana's kind of scratched

up, and there's... Electro whip tentacle comes

in and grabs Dana and well stalkers decided to

buy or bite part of the royal flush game style

because he's got one of their flying playing

cards and You know We go back to the Batcave

and like Bruce is like the burglar took a photo

of your brother I'm pretty sure it was a woman

to think she knows he's Batman mm -hmm and then

although you can see he says unlikely but I have

no clue is like oh you know damn well who it

was course your mind is a rusty steel trap but

it's still a steel trap exactly so they're trying

to figure out why stalker would do this and then

Bruce is like well his village got savaged and

this and the other things he's probably doing

it for food and all of that and we get back to

the the action here with him with terry trying

to save dana and um yeah stalker um well he if

he he does like he's not trying too hard to keep

dana away so terry you know fires off a batarang

which is one of my if not my favorite upgrade

to the bat suit besides the wings in Batman Beyond

is him doing like the the shuriken bat launcher

from the back of his wrist which also may or

may not be a callback to those giant mecha gauntlets

that Azrael wore in the 90s when he took over

for Batman for a while and see here I'm just

assuming it's a web shooter but a bat version

well I mean that's where the web shot off when

he had the black suit yeah because he had those

pad white patches on the back of his wrist but

yeah so he's like are you trying to save her

or kill her and he's like like that's any any

like there's any doubt although i would have

said like that's any kind of a question and he's

like you care about your thus defining your weakness

and i i do like the whole battle staff thing

that he's got going on you know and we cut back

to Bruce's like stalkers dedicate himself to

one goal proving there's nothing alive that he

can't hunt or kill and and he's toying with Terry

and he take he does like the classic like holes

in a parachute thing with the wings and I expected

more Batman you've showed me nothing next dead

man flying okay so What did you think of this

issue overall because this is basically a transition

from? Okay, so 14 15 and 16 the first three issues

of this the long payback arc essentially are

14 and 16 are bookends and this 15 is kind of

this middle ground where you have part of the

story that was from last issue running into this

and then it switches because you have all of

stalker in next issue almost up to the end in

16 so what did you think of that kind of being

like a middle ground here it's no it's a great

it's a nice solid middle ground part of the story

you know it's not it's not so epic like on the

level of say empire you know because when you

think of like interquels like that like empire

is one of the best middle parts of a trilogy

that ever have been in movies in my opinion and

This issue issue 50 was a very it's a very good.

It's it's a nice solid It transitions for like

you said from one story into the next leaves

it on this great cliffhanger ending because if

you're Like me and getting you know one issue

at a time It's also cooked in my mind. It's kind

of a callback to like the Batman serials from

like the 1940s where every chapter ended on a

cliffhanger. You know, this is how you should

end a story. The stakes have been raised. It's

getting crazy. And oh crap, they're falling out

of the sky. So I do love the move on to issue

16, you know, long payback part three. The first

cover I love, you know, enter stalker. They're

falling off a building. And I love how they gave

stalker his own logo. Yeah, you know the stylized

logo like that, and I think that's a really cool

I actually like the second cover more and the

second cover is actually what the podcast art

is is the The RIP suit, the metallic looking

cover with the black background and it almost

even though he's not it almost looks like he's

on a royal flush gang playing card is in the

triangular silhouette. And also, when I saw this

cover, the first image that flashed in my head

is from that... I forget the exact issue, but

it's the end of one issue of Uncanny X -Men during

the start of the Dark Phoenix arc. Like, Phoenix

has been... or Gene has been taken in by the

hellfire club and Wolverine's been knocked into

the sewers by the one hellfire king or bishop

that can control gravity. He's like, all right,

you took your best shot. Now it's my turn. That's

kind of what I got looking at this cover. Like

Terry turns around, OK, my turn. So we get into

it and Stalker is falling out of the sky on his

card. You know we get basically a rundown of

You know, it's it's kind of like a who's who

kind of description in the speech bubbles like

his name is Shaka Okoro These days he calls himself

stalker and it talks about he was this big game

hunter and then he had surgery He's got all the

cybernetics and he's firing his power Spear at

Terry and Dana Who I think in between issues

the rings the wings got even more ragged. Oh,

yeah, they did Like the only time they look okay

is when right as Terry's about to drop her You

know, why'd he turn on me like right there and

then right afterwards it looks like they're digitally

healing themselves at this point But yeah, which

is what they're doing it's just yeah You know,

that must be one of the new tweaks Bruce added.

He's like self -regenerating armor And Terry

goes on to say I've been playing defense. It's

time for a little offense now He's like eight

grenades asshole. Yeah You're more aggressive

McGinnis. I like that and then you know suit

enhancements are working. I do like the Look

on Dana's face in that first the like the spread

where we see the long payback part three and

then as she's falling She you know in the back

of her head just like I should have dated Nelson

I should have dated Nelson. I should have dated

Nelson Oh no, she'd be better off dating Willy

Watt than Nelson. Or what's his name that got

the robo -girlfriend in that one else? That would

be Howard something. Oh look, it's Howard Wolowitz

except he's younger and fatter. At least she

didn't go back to the rat boy. Yeah, and for

the longest time he was trying to figure what

analogy that he was supposed to be for what like

modern -day bad villain I mean obviously it's

the rat catcher but it took me forever to figure

that out but yeah Terry lays into him and stalker

commandeers this lady in her flying minivan cargo

ship and he's Basically, it's he does the villainous

mistake of laying out why he's doing this Yeah,

which we've okay. So this is my one complaint.

This is the only time I will ever complain about

anything Dan Juergens is doing with this series

Bruce has said why stalker is probably doing

this stalker has said to the Benefactor dude

why he wants to do this kind of a thing and now

we get this whole reiteration that yes We get

it his family his village was just you know his

family is hungry his village was destroyed He

wants food we understand that do you have to

beat us over the head with it, please well, so

we get the Feel good ending that's coming, but

you know we'll get to that next episode, but

yeah, so you know he's saying all this and then

he shoots off like the booster rockets on this

thing and starts cooking terry in the suit because

he's being dangled right over the exhaust and

then we cut to the neo gotham pd and commissioner

barbara gordon we see this guy these two guys

strung up from a street light like batman style

and it's the work of this new vigilante and they've

got a shot of this blurry photo of this new vigilante

who is totally not 10 It's ten. I know, I was

being sarcastic. And he's like, so is she, and

why is she trying to do our jobs for us? I don't

know, why did she use the same answer he used

about Batman for years, Barb? Seems about right.

See, like, I understand why ten would break into

Wayne Manor, take a picture of Terry, that kind

of a thing, but... Wish they would have had this

as and maybe it's all gonna tie in I assume I

don't remember because I've read all these issues

already but I've also forgotten half of 17 18

and 19 until I go back and read them again to

record them for next episode, but If they would've

had this as maybe like, hey, this is Nyssa, this

is the Batgirl of Neo Gotham doing stuff or something,

that would've made a little bit more sense instead

of having to throw in this new vigilante thing.

I get it, again, like I said, it's 10 or whatever

it's supposed to be, but it's a little weird.

And I mean, it's explained later on, but yeah,

so the cops are like, maybe she's a new partner

with the Bat, and Barb's like, I asked, he denied

it, and then they see Stalker light off the boosters

on that transport and now he's recklessly speeding

or he's trying to kill someone and you know,

Terry meanwhile is in the Exhaust he's like,

yeah, no shit Barb Because he's getting cooked

and Matt's freaking out and Bruce is like commutates

Terry got this Yeah, cuz we finally have new

cloaking tech I love that they finally brought

that back. Yeah. But, you know, Terry hauls himself

up by the rope that's wrapped around his ankles

and he takes out the engines and he's just like,

oh, I'm going to need like 10 Tylenol in an ice

bath after this. Yeah. But, you know, they crashed

the ship. He... Stalkers like well, he's McGinnis,

but it's like And then Matt's like Bain stop

doing that, you know, and then Matt's like he

lived through that yeah, and I do like that we

get like the news probe drone flies in and You

know, they're like reporting live from st. Cloud

Center and stalkers like get that camera out

of my face basically and you know anything you'd

like to say to our viewers and he just doesn't

i do like that and the cops are like no way the

bat survived that commissioners like 50 says

he does yep and then you know i love that yeah

the new cloaking tech and his suit's already

kind of healing itself up and i do love that

word terry comes up with a surprise it's like

ooga booga yep It's just a fun fun issue Yeah,

I do like that where you see that we're new cloaking

tech He's like sway and then Barb's like cash

or pay, but you know the officers just like He's

like mother Hubbard And then tens watching I

mean, it's not ten. We don't know that for sure

yet. It has to be fun with that I know I know

but I'm legitimately asking Who else would it

be that would steal a picture of Terry that would

be doing quote -unquote crime fighting? It's

not Nyssa. It's not the Batgirl of Batman Beyond.

It's not Dana, because, hello, Dana doesn't want

him to have anything to do with this shit anymore.

So it wouldn't be her. It's an unknown female

clone created by Amanda Waller. Or, um, Carl

Rossum. That too. But yeah, we see you know Terry

and stalker get back into it and I didn't catch

like earlier when they gave his name So when

he says it's over Shaka admitted I thought he's

like are you making like a racist comment right

now Batman? You know like Shaka Zulu or something

like that because I didn't catch him getting

me I didn't catch the bubble naming stalker earlier

and The only thing I can think of is Mark Hamill

talking to Chris Rock in Jay and Silent Bob.

Oh, right. So that's the only thing I thought

of. It's been a while since I've seen that. But

I like that they get into a pretty back and forth

pitched battle. And you like that a smart hunter

knows better than to focus on what's in front

of him He watches his back as well, and he's

activated his electro whip thing and starts cooking

Terry and that was basically that looks like

a particularly brutal like Electrical attack

cuz you like there's so much electrical interference

that you just kind of see like silhouette and

it looks like he's being burnt like a piece of

bacon yeah he's being burnt alive on that and

then you get the really like I wish this was

a comic cover for this series the end panel is

10 Barbara with the police officer Bruce and

Matt and then in the center of it you've got

stalker and Batman Where he's basically choking

the life out of him and you get you know all

these things and next revelations now you're

totally right that like this should be a cover

and Have the speech bubbles on there. There's

if there's one trope I miss from comic books

is How they used to have like speech bubbles

if I don't stop the bomb now at me will die like

that sort of thing from comics in the past I

really missed that or some sort of little bit

of exposition on the cover so I mean yeah this

would totally be a great cover yeah and then

I know I got like the print copy of this and

right after this they get you get in a four or

five page preview of the new terrific comic that's

coming that's come out from DC which if you haven't

read that folks I highly recommend it yeah i

have not read that yet i will eventually though

but yeah it's over all these first three issues

it's a solid five for me like it's just it's

it's full of like you know batman action batman

drama and batman stuff getting blown the hell

up oh yeah absolutely Yeah, I absolutely love

these first three issues of the long payback

arc. There's plenty of great writing in here.

Phil Hester's art along with the the inker and

the colorist has done so so well. It's just so

friggin fun. It really really is and like you

said it basically does what it's supposed to

do It leaves you wondering it leaves you on the

edge of your seat like oh I need to read the

next issue right now, but we'll have to do that

next week folks What would you give or are we

just gonna eventually rate? This is all one arc

or we you want to do it in the two parts I think

we're doing the two parts, but I mean like you

said so far. It's a solid five out of five for

me Yeah Like Jurgen's writing Dan Hester's, or

Phil Hester's art. Dan Hester. Yeah, it's a five

out of five for me too. There's nothing really

here that distracts, there's nothing really here

that I don't want to see. It's actually almost

everything I did want to see. I'm not too thrilled

with... Stalker because I never really cared

for the character all that much even in the cartoon

series But I understand and I I'm grateful that

they're actually using him as one of the characters

So who knows who else is gonna show up? I mean,

you know, we got the royal flush gang. We got

the mysterious, you know, Malefactor League.

Yeah, there's that we get the mysterious League

of assassins or League of Shadows chick You've

got Barbara and I mean, you know Barbara's whole

thing, you know, we kind of talked you you said

it earlier about her Basically laying into Bruce

about continuing to use kids and yada yada yada

So that was a nice little thing for all of us

to see that, you know Nothing really has changed

Bruce Wayne is still gonna be who he's always

been and you know What can you do? Exactly. So

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