Transformers Season 3 Recap

And welcome to the 23rd episode of the tfg1 podcast

I am your host tfg1 Mike and I am joined with

Steve Megatron and Michael Wilson. Hello guys

Howdy It's going pretty good We are recording

episode 23 the same time as episode 22. So there

really is no real need for general chat Because

we've already pretty much covered everything

this week for in episode 23 or episode 22 Yes,

so screw that shit. You don't want to talk briefly

about how you couldn't manage to transform your

Shattered Glass Optimus Prime back into the truck?

Or how you're trying to transform your version

of Rampage. What? No. Yeah, you're over there

playing with your traps. Yes, he is a crab. He's

a king crab. He's the biggest crab of all He's

the hardest to get rid of he's shiny too. I got

shiny crabs Okay, this episode will serve as

the season 3 recap on a whole as episode 24 will

be about the rebirth saga uh... the features

listed below hurling season three part one disc

set i'm including the season three part two and

season four features in episode twenty four the

podcast uh... basically just to break down the

special features on the season three part one

set here taste of bot con two thousand three

which michael wilson was not in uh... whitewater's

public service announcements Transformers historical

trailers they only have three listed but at the

end of some of the season three episodes there

is Quenison historical trailer cassette historical

trailer the city bots the ones listed as special

features are for Autobots Decepticons and Predacons

just about the set itself I know that you guys

don't have the Rhino set I like through throughout

all these sets how they did the murals on the

on the outer flips Where they fold out? Like

this one has most of the combaticons actually

all of the combaticons swindle Vortex blast off

and the rest of the you know the other thing

I meant to mention this with the other recap

episodes I didn't realize this until I actually

started looking at the DVD sets where the discs

are the discs match the Backing color like this

like the the first disc for this set is like

grayish black and the backing color is the same

color You know red and then like a teal. So I

thought that was Yeah, I thought that was really

really cool Overall this, you know season three.

I Like a lot of the episodes a lot of the good

episodes actually I should say a lot of the bad

ones really suck just Really quick, my own personal

favorites. The Five Faces of Darkness five -parter.

Dark Awakening. Carnage in C minor. Shut the

fuck up, Michael, whatever the hell you wanna

say, I don't care. Forever is a long time coming.

Starscream's Ghost, Ghost in the Machine, Only

Human, Call of the Primitives, Grimlock's New

Brain, Burden Hardest to Bear, and The Return

of Optimus Prime two -parter. Only Human we should

bring up, considering I did finally get the screen

caps. for the RC human form being on a red motorcycle,

kind of like the red RC motorcycle toy from Revenge

of the Fallen. And what did you tell me after

I posted those pictures, Michael? About what,

her bending over the motorcycle? Yeah. Oh, I

don't remember. Yeah, you basically said it's

an ass shot for one of the imps. Oh, oh, that

one. That's right. It's like, oh my God, I can

totally see her beaver. Can't really RC because

she's fully clothed in this pink jumpsuit thing.

So why don't we start with Steve, since Steve

really hasn't been talking all that much. What

are some of your favorite episodes from season

three? Okay, there we go. I was doing that on

purpose Damn you Anyway, go ahead. What are your

favorite at some of your favorite episodes from

season 3? Yes, my favorite episodes I'd have

to say our star screams ghost ghost in the machine

only human and the return of Optimus Prime's

part one and two. Now, the Starscream ghost episode

and only ghost in the machine I like because,

well, it's got Starscream and I like ghost in

the machine because he gets his body back and

sticks it to Unicron. I like only human because

Cobra Commander makes a Transformer crossover.

Yes, he does and we actually have him on the

show. They simply don't make terrorists like

they used to. That's what that two -package I

had earlier. Yep. And then, of course, the return

of Optimus Prime Part 1 and 2, which we discussed

in the previous episode. Now, I mean, I know

you like the Starscream's Ghost and Ghost in

the Machine, but I mean, specifically, you know,

for those episodes, what did you like best about

them? Well, for Ghost in the Machine, you know,

like how Starscream ran around basically toying

with Galvatron, getting Galvatron to shoot at

his second in command and the fact that he returned.

I like Ghost in the Machine because the whole

episode's basically Starscream fighting to get

his body back from Unicron and then makes Unicron

his bitch by the end of the episode telling him

to do his own dirty work after he's already got

his body and shows his own treachery that he

used to give to Megatron. The only human I like

because it gives it a weird twist of what would

happen if the transformers became human Kind

of to get the opposite of the Autobot spike syndrome

With Cobra commander, of course presenting all

of his resources to this criminal mastermind

But yeah, so overall that's pretty much why I

like those episodes cool and what are some of

your favorite episodes mr. Wilson Well, I have

to you know disagree with you in some point because

I don't like the five faces of darkness I kind

of thought that they kind of rehashed the movie

a little too much with that one It was supposed

to be an epic five -part series But there was

a lot of stuff they probably could have done

without and a lot of stuff that really just copied

off the movie directly uh... it couldn't come

you know i can see the fact that they used a

lot of the movie footage in some parts of it

but i mean it was a story to start season three

and it was very much different than the usual

megatron slash galvatron plan where you introduced

a whole new villain as far as the quintessence

yeah we saw them before in the movie but we didn't

see them i mean when the movie ended they were

nowhere in sight uh... as far as that goes so

i mean i like it on that level and i'm not gonna

not I'm not going to disagree with you as far

as them overusing direct movie footage, but overall

I thought the story was an awesome starter for

Season 3. Especially with a lot of the bombs

that Season 3 had. Yeah, I understand there were

a few episodes in Season 3 that were just throwaways,

but... Like I said, I mean this could have been

this could have been tightened up to maybe three

episodes it could have Perhaps, you know not

have rehashed as much of the movie It's almost

like they were thinking that people didn't see

the movie. So we have to kind of go over everything

again So people go and say oh remember when that

ship was defeating this Autobot ship and they

And they split the cockpit out in order to get

away. And oh yeah, I remember that. But did that

happen in the cartoon or the movie? I don't remember.

I remember it happening. OK, what are your favorite

episodes from season three? Which ones did you

like and why? Well, I have to agree with everybody

else. Starscream's Ghost. Ghost in the Machine.

You've got Chris Lada making the triumphant return.

Only human Chris Lada making the triumphant return

as Cobra commander, which totally kicked ass

There should have been a Destro cameo in there

as well That was the only way that one could

have been better is if Destro had made a cameo

You know and of course, you know return of optimus

prime one and two because you got prime back

Hooray and the touch uh... i'm kind of torn on

groom locks new brain because i really like that

episode from this you know there's a lot of interesting

stuff going on there but i don't really like

the uh... uh... technobots all of us and the

animation yes i mean i can agree with that uh...

you have a new chairman on from what's new brings

to you uh... see i thought that groom locks new

brain what would the technobots like i pointed

out in episode twenty two Each of the technobots

have their own personality and they kind of all

combine into this one dull personality with computron

because computron is all about The the super

intelligence that Grimlock had given him So,

you know, basically he is the super genius that

the jocks pick on in high school It's the best

only way I can that I can justify it, but the

Technobots individually, I like their personalities

individually. I will agree that Compuketron has

no personality, but he's not supposed to have

a personality. He's not supposed to be like a

strafe or afterburner or whatever. They didn't

spend as much time with the personalities of

the individual Technobots in Grimlock's new brand

like they did with Money is Everything. You get

a brief glimpse of oh, you know, basically the

personification of their techs back real quick

And that's about it, but you know, I I like Grimlock

in general and You know, I liked The team as

a combiner set, you know and the Terracons when

they were introduced. I like them as a yeah Actually,

no, they were interesting all the primitives

but Yeah, and again, Call of the Primitives would

have been much better if they hadn't revealed

that Unicron was cobbled together by Unicron.

Yeah, we already went over that. Yeah, so basically,

any time you bring a voice actor from the earlier

episodes, earlier seasons, I should say, who

hasn't been around in a while, like Lata, like

Cullen, that's going to be an awesome season

for the episode. Basically because I was ever

since the movie I had you know harbored deep

resentment for all the characters. I just didn't

like any of them I really hated Rodimus Ultra

Magnus take him or leave him, you know Springer

I Didn't hate him quite to the point that you

did but I didn't like him. Fuck, you know so

much He had his moments, but I you know, I exactly

I just couldn't really get into it. I kind of

dug RC because she was the pink one, the girl.

But other than that, it's like, hey, I really

don't have much emotional investment in any of

these characters. They managed to kill off all

the ones that I had emotional investment in in

the movie. So at this point, it's like, when

are we going to get Starscream back? When is

Prime coming back? Do I got to watch these fuckers

for another season before they get to the good

parts? You know, everybody knows that every time

I hear anybody mention Springer, you know, just...

Green bastard. Either green bastard or fucking

home record, you know, it's either bastard or

the f -word will come out of my mouth, no matter

what. I'm sorry, I just don't... But I mean,

I kind of feel meh on the entire cast. If you

go back from season 1 to season 3, and you watch

every Dinobot episode, every episode that the

Dinobots are in, the rest of them, Sludge, Slag,

Swoop, Snarl, all the other ones other than Grimlock,

are pretty much dumb. Sludge especially, but

I mean, for the most part, they're dumb. Grimlock

has his dumb moments in the beginning part of

the series, but he gets consistently dumber over

time. I actually just pulled this up from the

movie. So that goes, it goes from that to this.

You know, he just gets stupider and stupider.

Yes, you've said that plenty of times Yeah, I

know but that's that's how I see me jump But

you know whereas I would rather them trot out

the the Simon Furman Grimlock me Grimlock badass

Yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean I prefer that medication

butter I prefer it better. That's some really

bad grammar. It doesn't matter. We're not that

grammatically correct on this show anyways. Yeah,

crunchy. As far as character development, even

though Rodimus has his bad points, and I'm not

one to not say that he doesn't, but I'm not one

of those Rodimus haters like you bastards are.

Well, I was talking in general To most of the

Rodimus haters out there in the world. They're

probably going to be listening to this episode

if That's fine, but still If g1 Megatron was

still around he'd be kicking his ass all up and

down He can count his lucky stars all he's got

to contend with is Galvatron. Do you guys have,

I mean I know you, I know Michael you said you're

not, you really don't have an attachment or really

like any of the characters in the third season,

but if you had to pick like one of your favorite

characters that you liked, whether it's in an

episode or a scene, who would it be from Autobots

and Decepticons? Yeah, oh man a favorite Who

the hell is those? I know it's like they killed

all my favorites. I'm like if I came up to Northwest,

Indiana I came to your house put a gun to your

head and said pick a favorite Autobot and favorite

Decepticon right now where this bullet is going

into your brain Who would you pick? You know,

I I was partial to octane I mean in lieu of swindle

because swindle didn't have a whole lot of lines

in this season But octane I did dig him. I thought

he was uh, I thought he was very mercenary And

then you know, of course, there's there's Starscream,

you know, he played a little part here But I

mean he wasn't well, you know what honestly Starscream

probably had about as much screen time as octane

this season Yeah And as far as the Autobots go

Uh, you know Grimlock is still an old standby.

He spent a lot of time in Season 3. And uh...

Well no, I mean it's not really a question of

new characters, it's a question of the entire

Season 3 character list. From both sides, who

would you pick? So for the Autobots, who would

you pick? It doesn't really have to be a new

character, it's any of the characters that were

shown. Oh, yeah, I'd probably stick with Grimlock.

Yes of my favorite characters I would have to

say Mm -hmm Starscream and fleet Because I'm

a Chris lot of fan and I'd have to say Galvatron

would be a close second to him just because Galvatron

school and He's the new version of Megatron As

well as for the Autobots, I would have to say

Rodimus slash Optimus Prime Because well because

Rodimus May not have been the best leader, but

he was a cool -looking replacement I suppose

if that's what you're looking for in a leader

is how cool they look that might be suitable

You know what I would say is I was never really

partial to cyclonus I mean, he's cool -looking

but at the same time I never really dug him as

much Until I went back and watched the I'm the

same way with him and the only reason why I started

liking him more in the show is because After

I got my universe cyclonus, I started watching

the show looking for similarities between the

US Version universe cyclonus to the show and

I'm sorry. I said this in toy cast episode 6

Decepticon randomness The hen case cyclonus is

basically for girls the you the US version For

the toy the US version of dark purple is more

spot -on To the show than the lavender version

is You know, I mean obviously One of the main

reasons why I like Rodimus today is because of

the simple fact that he has the most characterization

out of any of the characters. I mean, yes, I

understand he technically is a plot device to

further the film along in the movie, but even

though he's screwing up throughout the entire

third season, he has the most character development

out of all of them. And I will bring this up

again when we do the Beast Unleashed podcast.

Rodimus is basically... Cheetor when Beast Machines

or Beast Wars and Beast Machines start I Mean

those two characters are very similar. The only

difference is Optimus came back and primal went

into the great void with Megatron I Think the

difference is is that yeah or evolved into a

good leader. Yes, and Rodimus never did I should

have grabbed the audio but will either be saved

or splattered Enjoy the ride It's like you'd

never you'd never hear cheetah are saying how

about we just float through space until we smack

into something Sure, that's a fantastic freakin

idea By the time Beast Machines rolled, especially

by the end of Beast Machines, Tudor really came

into his own and became a really good leader,

maybe even a better leader than, I want to say

Gary Chalk, maybe even a better leader than Optimus

Primal. You really didn't see that from Rodimus

until the very last second. It didn't give a

lot of time and I knew what they were doing.

I mean, after obviously seeing the special features

on the 20th Anniversary Edition and going back

and watching these, I knew what they were doing

because Flint Dilley said that they were going

to bring Optimus back. So, I mean, it all went

as far as fandom demand, as far as I can see,

because obviously there was a huge outcry. When

they killed prime in the move But anyways But

the thing is why did they even bother redeeming

him if they were gonna bring prime back any You

know and at the end he got a little redemption

he he learned from the sensei And he decided

he was gonna do the right thing You know he got

He got rage yes, but he got cured so it's okay

Um Everybody got cured just because they managed

to waste the the entire contents of the the Matrix

of leadership. It's almost like hey see that

planet Yeah, it contains all the known resources

of an entire race of people, Peridrone, but we're

going to blow it up. Oh, see that asteroid over

there? It contains the dead, deactivated corpses

of all of our friends and people that we've known

and looked up to for millions of years. And we're

just going to fly that into the sun. It's like,

yeah, see that matrix? It's full of the entire

accumulated knowledge of all of our people for

the last billion years. We're just going to waste

that and let it all blow out into the wind. It's

like they flushed it all down the toilet. It's

very wasteful. Yeah, they seem to be It all comes

to light in the next episode of TFQ on podcast

and we will be discussing rebirth And I'm sorry.

I will say this now and I will say this then

that The Japanese continuity does not fucking

exist it transformers generation one ended with

rebirth Yes Oh me You guys have anything It's

it's just very difficult to reconcile the Japanese

I don't even consider it I I honestly don't I

I I can say that I went and I watched some of

it Steve has some of the fan dubs for headmasters

on Well, well that's because I'm a kid voice

superior and one of the guys at the protective

odds Right, I know that but I'm just saying,

you have that on the website so I watched some

of the episodes of that and I just can't follow

the continuity and I just don't care and I say

the Japanese continuity does not exist because

it is done so poorly. Well the Japanese writing

is a little off the wall too because it's very

heavily peppered with Japanese culture that we

just as Westerners can't get our head around.

I Think I'd like to see on the website there

into the video section under fan dubs Yeah, cool

Yeah, there's only like five episodes done. I

think so far. I didn't like them either but Yeah,

I had two lines in one episode What kills me

though? It's like hey, we're not gonna use optimus

prime as a leader anymore We're gonna kill him

off again, and then we're gonna go with you know,

metal hawk or whoever they, whoever they choose.

Uh, or he was the pretender leader. And then

the other one was, uh, I think it would have

been super saver. No victory, victory saver,

star saver. Yeah. Well, that's for transformers

victory. Yeah. Yeah. They get really off the

wall. And then the master series is in the master

force. So the headmasters is Fortress Maximus

as the leader. The only thing I liked about Headmasters

was that it showed the blaster sound wave epic

battle and then the reformatting of them, which

I wish they would have, and I said this in the

review of Carnage in C minor, I wish they would

have done that in the US continuity. I just wish

they would have. It would have been so cool if

they did. Well, they weren't selling toys for

Twincast and Sound Blaster at that time. Do we

have any other thoughts about Season 3 on a whole?

I think we've ranted far longer than we were

supposed to. Space herpes? What? Cosmic arrest

already then so that is all for this recap episode

of the TFG one podcast Join us next time when

we be discussing and reviewing the final three

episodes from Transformers generation one season

three those being the rebirth arts one through

three I just like to give a programming note

before I go into other part of the closing Episode

24 will be the last episode of the TFG one podcast

until I can get my hands on a Transformers Matrix

of Leadership edition collector's complete series

set. After that we will do episode 25 which is

probably going to be way down the line. As of

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