Webworld, Carnage in C Minor, and Forever Is a Long Time Coming

Hello and welcome to the 19th episode of the

TFG1 podcast. I am TFG1 Mike with Michael Wilson

Yes, and this is episode 19 and I had the great

honor of getting some promo clips from Mr. Stan

Bush, which you will hear him introducing episode

19 next I'm Stan Bush and I fully endorse the

TFG1 podcast coming up today on episode 19 You'll

hear reviews from Webworld, Carnage in C minor,

Forever is a Long Time Coming, Flight or Flee,

and Thief in the Night, with TFG1 Mike and Michael

Wilson. Oh crap, what's Friday's date? The 19th

of June, that's right, the 19th of June. And

with me is... Michael Wilson. Please enjoy. Yes,

this is the TFG1 podcast episode 19. I am joined

by Michael Wilson. Hello. Hello. Yes, this is

going to be a very fast general chat. There isn't

too much going on other than Geekcast Radio has

been taking off. We do have several bios up.

I don't think yours is up yet, but it will be

eventually. It might be, but I don't think the

picture is up. I'm not really sure. I know Steve

had said that he needed to learn how to insert

the pictures on that. But the site is... I think

it looks fairly good for the style that it is.

You know, each show has its own category. He

still has to add all the old episodes of ATTF

and TFG1, so those aren't added in yet, but the

latest episodes are there. Let's see, two big

things I want to bring up. Skype, stalkers, and

dental work. I have two people that are on my

Skype that... One of them apparently found me

by searching for Transformers fans and every

time he is on and I'm on, usually I leave Skype

on just in case somebody needs to get in touch

with me. I don't really use it as a messenger.

I don't use it like I use AIM or Yahoo or anything

like that. At least not all the time. And he

has the over pressing need every single time

my online status is online to contact me for

no apparent reason. Okay, yes, yes, I've never

had a stalker so I can't really compare notes

If I did though she would be hot If she would

be hot and then my wife would go beat her ass

And then dental work last last week I actually

mentioned this in tune cast episode 3 which will

be out tomorrow Yeah, so yeah today's Tuesday.

Whatever. I don't know or it will be Tuesday

eventually hell I don't know Wednesday tune cast

episode 3 will be out. I mentioned it in there

I woke up one day last week or over the weekend

with a piece of chip tooth inside my mouth I

Don't know how it happened have no idea but yes

I'm in severe work severe need of some dental

work and I hate dentists yeah yeah that would

suck does it hurt like right now not at the moment

but it did then I woke up and I'm like wait whoa

what is this like oh oh shit that's not good

so what's been going on with you sir Well, you

know, housework. Not in the sense of me cleaning

and cooking and wiping down tables and such,

but as in we're doing the siding. It's almost

done. We're getting into the final stretches.

That and I got Transformers Animated Skywarp.

Oh, yay. And actually, you have one to still

get, don't you? Other than the yet -to -be -released

ones. You mentioned that on Facebook or Twitter,

you have yet to get Shadowblade Megatron. Galvatron.

Megatron. Animated Galvatron. It says Shadowblade

Megatron is what it says on the package. That's

the official name, yeah. Derek Wyatt refuses

to name him Galvatron, so he's Shadowblade Megatron.

And he looks really cool. I'd like to have him.

I just haven't bought him yet. Maybe I'll hold

off and pick him up when they go on sale or clearance

or something. I like the leader class, the original

leader class better. I don't know, I just don't

like the... If the Shadowblade one was more purple

and less black, I would probably like it, but...

you know, to be in more of the Galvatron type

colors, but yeah, I like the original better.

And while we're on the topic of toys, since some

of our episodes today feature Cyclonus predominantly,

I brought out Universe Cyclonus. And just, he's

extremely, because I've rewatched all the episodes

that we're going to be talking about, the toy

is extremely show accurate to G1. I mean super

extremely. where his his cockpit folds back on

his back uh... it it looks just like that in

june one uh... actually i don't have uh... my

you know the galvatron out here but i do when

i have cyclones on the shelf uh... i have him

i have him right underneath galvatron's credit

so you can pretty much do a good ol size comparison

as far as how big you have a galvatron is compared

to uh... deluxe universe cyclones And he's just

an awesome figure. I think I like the robot mode

better than the jet mode, but yeah anyway So

we have any other thoughts on general stuff?

No, everything's cool here. All right, we're

gonna get into some episodes today Cyber sedation

should be taking effect by now We tried to get

him to talk about his problems. Galvatron, don't

fight it. Just say whatever comes to mind. Kill.

Smash. Destroy. Uh, yes. Go on. Rend! Mangle!

Destroy it! This is stupid. Let's get him out

of here. Give it a chance. I'll destroy everything

here. Everything! Then, I'll destroy the Autobots!

Yes, tell me about the Autobots. I hate the Autobots!

I hate their cruelness! Yes, we're gonna start

out today's episode with web world an episode.

I absolutely fucking hated, but we'll get to

that in a minute Let's see here web world's little

synopsis from the booklet swindle motormaster

and laser beak presents cyclonus with an ultimatum

Galvatron's Rage must be tempered, or the Decepticons

will revolt. Seeing an opportunity to remove

a wild card from the equation, a crafty Quintesson

tells Cyclonus of a planet called Torculon, where

mentally unstable individuals may go for treatment.

Now Cyclonus must somehow trick his leader into

traveling to this planet. Um, yeah, Webworld.

You know what this is? It's the cyber one -flu

over the cuckoo's nest. Yeah, a very giant fucking

cuckoo's nest. Have you ever seen it? Yeah, I've

seen it. With Jack Nicholson? Yeah. Oh, okay,

okay. You have to see it to actually make the

connection, but that was my thought, is this

is totally one -flu over the cuckoo's nest. Yeah,

I... This wasn't an episode. that i really enjoyed

uh... it wasn't one that i can just like there

are some episodes that i can just pop in and

just watch just for the sheer enjoyment like

return of optimus prime two -parter uh... you

know some of the previous ones from previous

uh... from season one and season two this is

not one of those uh... this is one of those painstakingly

you know only if i have to watch it will i watch

it episodes first of all the autobots are only

in one scene I don't even know. I don't even

know what else to say other than just to go into

my notes. And the first note, obviously, is Galvatron

is mad in this episode. If you look at this episode

and the next episode, Carnage and C minor, Galvatron,

Cyclonus, and pretty much every Decepticon, the

colors are very off. cyclonus looks like his

henkei universe version in this episode and i

know henkei i don't know if henkei was around

back then but that's what it reminded me of when

i rewatched it today i was like wait it's a light

purple girly cyclonus in the show what the hell

i think when henkei designs were made they probably

were using this episode or a similar episode

as their color inspiration that could be Um,

this episode is just fucking loony. I don't know

why I wrote that note, but it just is. Nothing

makes sense. Having Cyclonus fill out all the

forms, and then saying, here, this is your copy,

he just tears it up, he doesn't care. This is

very bureaucratic. I have a copy for therapeutics,

a copy for treatment, here's a copy just in case

he dies in the process, but don't worry about

it. Yeah, it was very off the wall. I mean, Cyclonus

is loyal, but he does have his trickery side

to him. I think Cyclonus had his best interests

at heart. I mean, he really wants Galvatron to

be better. He knows that the Decepticon cause

is done for, unless Galvatron is sane. When is

Galvatron ever been seen? That's a problem and

they come right out right out or the doctors

I should say come right out and say oh He had

a lava bath for too long didn't he? I did like

that connection though I didn't think that they

would do that and I did pick up on that and I

did it I did like that continuity connection

As I said before this is basically an all Decepticon

episode the Autobots are only in one scene there

really isn't I really didn't. When I first watched

it, even when I watched it earlier today, I don't

have that much to say about it. It was very strange

seeing Galvatron being crazy, and I don't mean,

uh... Crazier than usual? Well, no. I don't mean

just mad with power. I mean psychotically nuts.

I mean, he's off his fucking rocker. See, that's

kind of what I associate with Galvatron, though.

You see, I don't, though, because... And I know

we're going to do a whole bunch of comparisons

between Megatron and Galvatron. Megatron's plans

almost always failed because of either something

he did or something Starscream did to affect

the wrongness of the plan and it not turning

out okay. And Megatron... Sometimes his plans

were just plain stupid. Galvatron has more of

an attitude to where he... You know, once everything

destroyed now, he wants to rule the universe

now. Galvatron has no plan. It's, oh look, something

shiny. I think I'll go kill it. Off he goes.

uh... it's not i'm going to create this elaborate

weather -changing device and then i'm going to

you it's it's nothing like that it's auto parts

to sort of a lot of i think i need to kill them

now off he goes it where is you know the megats

the original megatron uh... was uh... cutting

and and brilliant and strategic genius but he

just had bad luck Whereas Galvatron is completely

insane and it cannot hold his conversation long

enough to create a strategic plan Yeah, I kind

of agree with that. I like my explanation better,

but I agree Do you have anything else to say

as far as synopsis wise? Synopsis wise no, I

just had a few thoughts. Okay, what are they?

Are we gonna jump directly? Oh, no, no, okay

I thought you meant you had a few more according

to the synopsis, but alright, now we're going

to get into our thoughts. And now for our thoughts

on Webworld. You have more than I do, so take

it away, sir. Oh, well, I just had a list of

observations. The very first thing in the beginning,

Soundwave. Soundwave didn't use his vocoder.

Frank Walker wasn't... Doing sound wave he was

doing dr. Claw. Yes. I mean I was gonna point

that out and I did notice that I did notice that

in the second viewing earlier earlier today Yeah,

I I thought it was interesting in a later episode

Soundwave gets his vocoder back, but here he

is that is one line and it's not encoded at all

It's just dr. Claw. I thought that was kind of

weird but I mean You know, if you're a Dr. Claw

fan, it's cool. Yeah, I agree with you as far

as the Autobots only being in one scene. They

were there just long enough to show that Galvatron

has no strategy, no plans. He just sees something

shiny and jumps on it. But in the process, Sludge

kicks some ass. Sludge never gets to kick ass,

but you know he can. He's the big Dinobot. And

we should note that even though for the most

part of season three since Galvatron has come

back he has been nuts He gets better and he does

have better plans. Rebirth, for example. His

plan is basically just like Megatron's in The

Ultimate Doom where he is going to take Cybertron

to Earth and destroy Earth. Which, you know,

we'll get to Rebirth down the line but I mean,

you know, I just wanted to say he does get better

and he does have some plans after this episode.

She turned me into a newt! I got better. Huh?

Never mind. All right, my Monty Python references

stop now. Maybe better considering I've never

seen Monty Python stuff. Oh, what kind of geek

are you? All right, I'm taking away your geek

cream right now. Yeah, whatever. While you were

watching this episode, did any Metallica songs

come to mind? No, because I don't listen to them

that much. No, no, I know I like it as I just

want to make clear I do like Metallica I do listen

to some of their songs. I don't listen to them

often enough I only like the old school Metallica.

So the newer stuff or I should say anything After

including and justice for all I don't really

like so much but the older stuff back before

they sold out like sanitarium from the master

puppets or CD or DVD or CD. Sanitarium was running

heavily through my mind during this whole episode.

I could see it, but yeah, I haven't heard it

in a while, so I wouldn't know. I can't really

comment. Alright, well I won't sing it here.

The doctors. So I'm thinking, you know, interstellar

sanitarium doctors should... You know, be kind

of egg -heady with lab coats, right? And this

is like Beastman. Yeah. So Skeletor has Beastman

on loan to the Interstellar Sanitarium. It's

like, these don't look like doctors. They sound

like doctors. Yeah. They sound like business

people. Actually, I think... I'm sorry to cut

you off. I think they were... Go ahead. I think

they were the same voices of the Quintessons.

Some of them were. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Not

by that. Yeah, but I mean, it's very business

-like in the sense that here's your 15 copies

and thumbprint them all. Yeah. Cyclonus doesn't

read the fine print whatsoever. Yeah, exactly.

He actually rips it up. Yeah. Well, yeah. See

what happens when you rip out the fine print.

Yep. Yep. The Sigmund Freud alien, I totally

dug him. My first degree is actually in psychology.

Oh. So we've got the Sigmund Freud alien saying,

tell me about your mother. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's

right. That's right. Yeah. How do you feel about

this? Galvatron's like, I'm going to fuck your

mother. He's just he just want to kill everybody.

And the nice thing is he does get every time

they put him through some type of therapy, he

gets out of it and just raises hell. You know

so score one for Galvatron even though he's crazy

He's still pretty powerful once the um once the

episode keeps going on and on and he gets out

of the last one After they attach his mind to

the to the planet's mine. Yeah That was gross.

Anyway, he figures out the planet's secrets.

So, I mean, we have to kind of go back and say

he's not all just crazy. I mean, he does have,

even though his actions are, at least he is thinking

about destroying the planet. Even though it is

destroying something. His one thought is, what

can I blow up right now? Even at the end, he's

like, I think I've blown up enough. And Cyclonus

is like, whoa, they might be rebuilt. Well, maybe

I haven't blown up enough then. I think I need

to blow up some more. But while they were trying

to fix Galvatron, again, the one flew over the

Cuckoo's Nest reference, I was waiting for the

lobotomy. I'm like, where is the lobotomy? They're

going to lobotomize him. And the doctor says,

it's time for the maximal intervention. And I'm

thinking, of course, Beast Wars. I'm like, they're

going to bring in Gary Chalk and he's going to

beat the shit out of me. But but no, I mean I

knew that I I knew they weren't going to lobotomize

him but you know, they bring in the the alia

To wire him up and I'm thinking so the area alia

are kind of like a a living ice pick that they're

just gonna jam into his eye sockets and Swivel

around his frontal lobes a little bit, right?

You don't know how lobotomies work I agree, just

that description just sounds disgusting. But

it was interesting that, well yeah, there's a

long and varied and very interesting history

of lobotomies, but I won't go into that now.

The thing that I was wondering toward the end

is, you know, what if they succeed? What if they

fix Galvatron and suddenly we have a much more

powerful version of Megatron on our hands. Well,

see if they... That didn't happen. Well, see

if they had fixed Galvatron, I'm betting that

they would have taken him back to Megatron and

every Transformers fanboy out there that hated

the change would be now fucking vindicated because

you had Megon back, you bastards. That's right.

Wait, wait. I hear the collective fanboy squeal

of millions of Megatron fans. To disturbance

in the forest, I think it's fanboy squeals. Do

you have any more notes? You know, I think Webworld

kind of came and went. I did dig it to a certain

extent. There was a lot of little tiny gags thrown

in. like the little tongue alien that says mommy

yeah uh... yeah i mean i i didn't hate it as

much as you did i saved my hate for uh... uh...

carnage as you see i love that episode but anyway

we'll we'll get to that we'll get to that we'll

get to that in a minute but if i was giving if

we're doing a grading scale this one would get

a very very big goose egg zero from me uh...

i dug it i like the story Animation could have

been better But yeah, I liked it. So next up

it will be carnage in C minor No. No! No. Only

one third of the harmony. I have only part of

the secret. Basso Profundo and Zeebob Scandana

share the rest. Zeebob, don't! He's recording

your part of the harmony! Zeebob! Soundwave,

playback! Okay, up next we have Carnage in C

minor, and according to the little booklet, And

Galvatron quickly realizes he and Soundwave can

harness this weapon for the Decepticons if only

they can record all three of its components.

First of all, again, if we were doing a scale,

this one gets a 10 from me. Just because it was

so cool seeing the blaster Soundwave fight. Let's

see, the first thing I've noticed is that Braun

is apparently alive. See picture on the PredaconEmpire

.com forums. I saw that. It looked like Huffer

and Braun were fighting alongside someone from

Constructicon. Yeah, Braun is alive, so apparently

he didn't die in the movie. Okay, I believe it

was Microbots way back in episode 10 of the podcast

here, but I'm not really sure. But this is the

second fucking episode that Perceptor uses his

microscope lens as a gun. I have never seen Perceptor,

before these two, the episode way before and

this one now, never seen him use the microscope

as a gun. He's always had a pistol or some sort

of rifle like blaster and everybody else does.

Not just a gun, but a gun powerful enough to

blow up Devastator. Oh, I know it. Blow him into

pieces. I know it. I'm just shaking my head like,

what the hell? Yeah, I even put in the notes,

what the fuck? This episode is basically a blaster

soundwave centric episode which I truly truly

enjoy and I'm gonna get this out of the way now

Just because they are two of my favorite characters

from the original show I truly believe if they

had if the people had gone in and done an actual

Continuation of this into whatever happened in

Headmasters. This would have kicked Headmasters

ass I actually consider this the blaster soundwave

showdown more than I do than what happened in

Headmasters I wish that they would have put The

the reformatting of blaster and sound wave into

this one, but unfortunately they didn't Strong

words. Yes. Yes. I don't care. That's my opinion

fuck everybody else This episode is all about

music, in case you couldn't tell from the title.

Oh, you know what? I almost forgot. Since this

episode is about music, I think that we should

do the entire review in song. No, because I don't

sing. This episode is full of crap. If I could

do that with a Patrick Stewart accent, that would

be awesome. That would kick ass. This podcast

would get such high ratings. I'm Patrick Stewart

and I shall see you in this review. As I said

a second ago, this serves as the G1 US series

battle between Blaster and Soundwave. The episode

ends with Magnus saying that the people of the

harmonic planet must learn to accept their differences

in order to have true harmony. The animation

was... it was pretty good in this episode. What?

Well, with making the sound visual... No. Okay,

first of all... First of all, the animation was

awful. The size comparisons were way off. We've

got scenes with Broadside and Superion being

the exact same size as Ultramagnes and Perceptor.

That happened a lot. Apparently, Opera World

changes everybody's relative size. I mean, didn't

you catch that a few times? The only thing I

caught was the fact that broadside picks up Galvatron

and broadside's like four times bigger than Galvatron.

Oh, no. Well, broadside popped up a lot here.

He kept changing sizes. The first time I saw

him, which I thought was terribly cool, is you

see the Constructicons merge in a Devastator

and then an aircraft carrier falls on their head.

That was awesome. yeah but that was my first

thought was it's broadside he didn't get blown

up after all i told you so yay you told me he

got blown up i know i did not i told you he showed

up in five faces of darkness i didn't say he

got blown up you said he got blown up that was

the one that got blown up But there were a lot

of characters in this episode Yeah, there were

hotspots shows up and I'm like, well if hotspots

here, where's the rest of the construct and the

construct Where's the rest of the protective

bots? At the end of the episode. Well, there's

defense or where they come from. I don't know.

They just happen to be there Yeah, they just

kind of showed up but I mean at least the aliens

are human -sized in this one Yeah, that's true

because you end up lately with 40 foot tall aliens.

Yeah lots of them. Yes Reference chaos Yeah,

except well, I mean you look at it as the scuzzoid

and scugzoid, you know, he's got to be like Godzilla

size He's kind of like the wimp of the universe,

but if you showed up on earth, it'd be like everybody

running through the streets of Tokyo Oh, what

was that movie? Oh, I forget there's a movie

Was one of the parody movies he goes one of the

Japanese guys go in and something goes he's Godzilla

No, it's not but it's a reasonable facsimile

of Godzilla There's something to the point of

where due to copyright laws, we can't say it's

Godzilla, but it looks like him. That's right.

Toho International would kick our ass. It's not

Godzilla, god damn it. It's something that looks

kind of like him. It's kind of like chaos. It

kind of looks like Godzilla, but it's not really.

He's glowing, which means he can't be Godzilla.

We're sorry, Toho. We didn't mean to make him

look like Godzilla. Do you have anything else

for the synopsis? No, just some random thoughts.

Okay, we're gonna get into our thoughts then.

Alright, this is our thoughts on Carnage in C

minor. What'd you think? Uh, what I mentioned

earlier, I wasn't terribly thrilled with the

animation. I liked that there were a lot of characters,

but it got really, really confusing. And, you

know, I agree, I... Like seeing blaster and some

way face off, but at the same time the the the

I want to say just stalled the sum of the parts,

you know Didn't really do it for me Yeah, I gotta

say I as I said in the in the synopsis of the

episode I wish it would have been a true Knockdown

dragon mount fight between the two of them and

then having time pass and having them reformatted

into twin cast and sound blaster like it was

in the headmaster series i wish they would have

done that in the u .s. series uh... all of the

japanese are that great you wouldn't see that

has run out not after the flight they got from

the movie well they did kill they did have shockwave

kill blur and tf a bastards anyways uh... uh...

Derek Wyatt in the Japanese are the only ones

with enough balls to kill people. Yeah, I...

After a while, not really the writing but the...

them the melodies kinda got to me like like them

singing the entire thing like each each syllable

for for the alien race everything they said yeah

it was in song it's almost yeah it's almost worse

than what you don't like blaster for his rhyming

but yeah but it's like the tape players have

to translate for everybody else and i thought

that was kinda cool though because it gives them

what what gives it gives them purpose i mean

It's like having Worf translate whatever the

hell species he is, Klingon, to Picard. I mean,

it gives them something to do. But the Klingons

are speaking Klingon. They're like, walk, walk,

fa -talk. Oh, God! What do you say, Worf? And

Worf says, he says you have a small human penis.

His penis is much larger than yours. Oh, God!

Whereas, you know, here it's like, hello, it's

a nice day we're having. And Ultra Magnus says

to Blaster, what'd he say? He said, we're having

a nice day. Well, that's not exactly fair. And

I'm thinking Ultra Magnus can't understand what

he just said. I'm really shocked here. That's

not exactly fair because they were talking about

where Allegro was and everything else. So it

wasn't just general stuff. It was more specific

than what you're saying. I still say it gives

Blaster and Soundwave a purpose to stick around.

You don't see people standing around asking for

translations from Wheelie. What the hell did

Wheelie just say? Well, he rhymes. It's hard

to understand. Let's ask Blaster. Blaster knows.

God. Blaster rhymes too. He'll understand what

he's saying. This episode's gonna go into a giant

fucking rat hole. I can already tell. No, no,

no. Well, here's the thing is, not only do they

sing to communicate and to fight, or I should

say defend themselves, but they also sing to

fix people. So if you don't have any junkions

available, well, that's OK. We can sing. And

they fix people by singing. If I was using Pamela

call recorder right about now, I would put in

Rick Garza. Good as new 90 -day warranty, you

know, whatever I Just got one more thought here

and that was you know towards the end Something

happens that I think decepticon crescendo would

appreciate a great deal and that was a blaster

grabs hold of sound waves crotch yeah totally

crotch grab I think he was going for like a wrestling

move there but it looked like a crotch grab to

me the whole time when they're wrestling around

on the on like when they're locked when they're

locked in battle it looks like they're fucking

dancing I'm sorry do you like gladiator movies

Johnny? oh crap So, I think we're going to move

on to the next episode. You don't look like slaves.

Slaves? What's a slave? We're not slaves. What

makes you think we're slaves? You wear the same

brand we all do. The hated mark of our servitude

to the quints. For a million years, it has been

our symbol of shame. A3 says we must make it

a symbol of freedom. A3's your main man? Our

leader, yes. With his coder remote device, we

could freeze the Guardians in their tracks. and

drive the Quints from the city they forced us

to build. Then slaves all over Cybertron would

rise up to claim their freedom. But if we fail...

Blaster, we're in the past, when the Quintessons

still ruled Cybertron and the robots were their

slaves. It will be a difficult battle. As you

see, we're not warriors. We're workers, scientists,

technicians. But we all want the same thing.

Freedom from the Quints. The past? How can we

get to the past? How can we even be in the past

if what's past is past? And what's the point?

The real point is there's no future in the past.

That's it. Don't you see? If the Quintessons

could stop the Autobot rebellion in the past,

it'd change the future. They'd still be the masters

of Cybertron, and we'd be their slaves. Beta,

this A -3, where is he? Missing. I was looking

for him when I found you. There's not much choice.

Time is running out. With or without day three,

we have to attack at dawn. Will you help? Try

and stop us! I have failed you, Rodimus. It is

finished! No, Superion! You must live. But I...

Maybe bomb. Alpha Trion A -3. Your friends want

you home. Go. Now. Yeah, but... No time for talk.

We thank you for your help, but you must go at

once. Okay. I guess we can trust you to win this

one. After all, you already did. Rodimus, we

must close the time window of all the consequences.

I know, Perceptor. I know. Blur, it just hit

me. A3. A for Alpha, 3 for Trion. You don't think?

What? That was the guy who created Optimus Prime?

He was the father of the Autobots? You gotta

be kidding. Up next is forever is a long time

coming and according to the little booklet Detecting

unusual chronal energy patterns emanating from

an asteroid field Perceptor blaster blur and

retgar discover a quintessence scientist activating

a strange device this device the time window

offers a portal to the Cybertron of 11 million

years ago, but before the Autobots can stop this

mystery scheme. They mistakenly pass through

the window and A3 is disoriented and distressful.

Autobot appears. Will A3's disappearance from

the past spell doom for the Autobots future?

I love this episode. I'm sorry. I do. It's fucking

great because even though Even though when we've

seen Alpha Trion before be old, and we all know

that A3 is Alpha Trion, and of course the Autobots

don't figure it out till the end of the episode,

but even though we've seen him as old before,

it's nice seeing that they're going... Okay,

if you take this episode and you take Wardon,

the Aerialbots went nine million years into the

past. This episode is going two years beyond

that. So this was... Well, okay 9 million 9 million

11 million. It's two years. It's two million

years. Whatever. You know what I mean? I know

what you mean. I'm just saying that to me 9 million

years for the Great War and you would assume

that The beginning of time would be like 18 million

years ago as opposed to oh just a couple million

We started this episode as I said with blaster

blur and perceptor and a few other ones flying

in space asteroid Let's say blaster and the others

get trapped 11 million years in the past while

a3 is brought through to the present time With

the time window open it's spreading chronal energy

throughout the universe and it's all altering

time as it goes. I thought this was pretty cool.

A lot of the scenes that they showed like with

Wheely winning the race over and over and over

again and it not actually finishing like time

is repeating itself. There was one where Marissa

becomes a baby. It was the nude Marissa Furborn

scene. She was topless there. Dirty old man.

It's not quite the same thing. She was like two

there. One of my favorite things in this episode

is at one point in the battle, Superion is literally

in two places at once and he sees that A3 is

Alpha Trion and he figures it out and Superion

actually saves the day. I thought that the animation

was awesome in this one. I think this has the

best animation out of the ones that we're going

to be reviewing today. Yeah, it's not saying

much for the ones that we're reviewing today,

but yeah the animation was very good with a few

exceptions Yeah, and this is probably out of

all the episodes today This one is my favorite

out of out of all the ones that we're talking

about in this episode of the TF1 podcast Do you

have any thoughts on the synopsis? What do you

mean as far as synopsis? Yeah as far as the actual

story. Synopsis? Yeah, it's fine, we know. Well,

I'm thinking, you know, technically they could

have stayed in the past. Why was it so important

for them to get back, back to the future? Q,

he would lose. But you know, you gotta think,

most of them are over 9 million years old anyway.

And you would think CUP, must be well over that.

In fact, I'm surprised Cup didn't somehow appear

as a young man in the beginning. Or in the beginning,

11 million years ago. So you've got to think,

well, they're all 9 million years old. They're

pretty old. You'd think Cup would be substantially

older. But especially A3, because he's not only

old, he's like long beard. He's like Gandalf

old. Yeah, there will be no Lord of the Rings

references in this podcast, god damn it. I think

the problem with your theory there of them staying

in the past is the fact that it's going to mess

up the time space continuum to the point where

the young Alpha Trion is in the present day,

which would be his future, and they're in the

past. It's the same thing with... With war dawn,

I mean time travel is so finicky. There are so

many other ways to describe it, but Yeah, I don't

think they could have stayed in the past I think

that they were doing just fine while they were

there You know granted they needed Alpha Trion's

guardian freezing ray In order to really win

that battle, but they were they were pulling

it off pretty well. Yeah While they were there.

Yeah, I like all the um Just all the references

to try on throughout the entire series so far.

I mean this guy's been everywhere Yeah, so what

hey did you just say space -time continues I

Don't know if that is it's like a Star Trek term

that came you know 10 -15 years later after this

show was made but they never once mentioned the

term space -time continuum which I actually have

my notes here is he didn't actually say space

-time continuum this whole episode screams space

-time continuum and they didn't say it once so

I'm wondering if that was a term that was coined

you know let's say in the early 90s or so by

TNG no because it was said in Back to the Future

Alright, now for our thoughts on Forever is a

Long Time Coming. Best episode of this podcast

episode That's pretty much my thoughts Yeah What

do you got written down over there? I like the

episode a lot. I enjoyed it I like it when they

go back and you see the golden age of Cybertron

again Yeah, well, we've seen it before but really

you can't see it enough I think Orion Pax was

in diapers 11 million years ago Yeah, again,

I think they take some liberties with the time

frame, but yeah, okay, we'll buy that this time

around. But yeah, I had some issues with the

animation. I mean, this had very good excellent

animation with a few exceptions. Like, they don't

actually show them entering the time window.

They just kind of show the group sailing toward

it. And then the next thing you know, they're

all kind of complaining. Oh, no, they see them

sailing toward it. They show a scene of it, like

you're supposed to see them floating in space

into it. But they don't actually show it. And

then the next thing you know, they're all complaining.

Whoa, what happened? Where's the door? Where

are we? Blah, blah, blah. But you don't actually

see it. And I actually had to rewind it and go

back and look again. to see if they actually

showed them fly into the window. Yeah, I don't

think they do. They show them going in and coming

out, but they don't show them flying through

it. Like if you're inside like a time warp. I

don't think they show that. What else you got?

Well, yeah, exactly. Random voices coming from

Blaster's chest. No, it's not random voices.

Well, not random voice, but... It's Ram -Horn

and Rewind. Ram -Horn stutters. I love that.

I thought that was great. I'm like, you know,

we haven't had a stutterer yet, but it really

sets them apart. Yeah, so I was kind of expecting,

you know, kind of a South Park Kenny type thing.

Ram -Horn going... Wait, wait a minute, we still

need Blaster to translate for us from the carnage

in Sea -Land. No, no, no, shut the hell up. What

did he say, Blaster? He said we're having a good

day. Shut up, shut up. What did he say? He says

he wants to bust us up the jobs. I noticed in

watching this, at one point there is an animation

glitch with Blaster and ejecting the tapes. At

one point Rewind comes out the normal way. The

normal way, and the next time he comes out his

butt is just abnormal. With the tape deck opening

and then the tape flying out, well, when they're

getting ready to attack, when they're getting

ready to help the Rebels attack the Quintesson

base there, and Ramhorn is too anxious to wait,

the tape deck actually opens, it doesn't open

down, it opens like a refrigerator door from

the side. Did the light turn on? No, it did not

turn on. Must be busted. There's a little man

in there He must have been on vacation. Yes,

I Forget the name of the the Fembot they meet

when they go back in time. Oh crap. I just watched

it. They give her a name I just watched it tonight.

Oh, God. What was it? I think it was beta. I

think that's what it was. That makes sense, because

you've got alpha and beta. Oh, yeah, beta. But

I've got a note here that says, she's the Lady

J of the Fembots. Because she shoots like the

javelin. And it explodes. And I'm thinking, wait

a minute. That's just dumb. That's why I quit

watching GI Joe. because Lady J takes out tanks

with her javelin. Well, you could make another

reference there if she was named something else.

Alpha and Omega. From Beast Wars Megatron. I

am Alpha and Omega. I'm sorry, I'm doing Sean

Connery. Sean Connery is Megatron. I am the Alpha

and the Omega. Oh my god. But you know what I

dig a lot is the Guardian Robots, or as I like

to call them, the Omega Sentinels. I dig the,

I don't want to say gray, but the silver and

blue deco on the, I want to say Omega Supremes,

but on the Guardian Robots. Yeah, that actually

will harken, well not in the future episodes

that we do, but in past episodes that we've done.

That's a good continuity thing with Megatron

finding the destroyed guardian robot that doesn't

have a head and I forget which episode it was

in like season one or season two but he used

it at one point and it was the same color as

it was in this. I dig that. If you go on to,

like, the Transformers Wiki and look up Guardian,

though, they show the little dome -headed robot

drones that Shockwave was using. But when I think

of Cybertronian Guardian, it's the Omega Sentinels.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Any other thoughts

on Forever is a Long Time Coming? Yeah, I mean,

the whole Quintesson Terminator thing rang through

to me. It's like, well, if we go back in time

and kill your mother, that or your father in

this case then you know and then you would never

exist then that kind of it's a good thing we

didn't have a quintessence Skynet episode well

technically the whole the whole asteroid here

that they they have to take care of that would

be a this kind of a quintessence Skynet I guess

You know, and what kills me though is, so we

have these green rings that are shooting off

into space. Nobody questions what they are. You

know, the Quintesson knows what they are. And

he's like, oh my god, we really gotta put a stop

to this because this is really gonna fuck with

things. But none of the Autobots, especially,

you know, Rodimus, who has the, you know, the

collected knowledge and... Here we go, more Rodimus

bashing. No, I'm just saying if you have the

collected wisdom of all of the primes before

you you ought to think Giant green ring shooting

in the space. Well, that looks like it could

be bad And I'm thinking well, where the hell

is perceptor? Perceptor we got damage. That's

the whole thing. Remember? Yeah, he didn't pop

up until yeah, and then the last second it's

like, oh by the way I'm awake and you really

got to turn that machine. Oh, you know perceptor

we know Yeah, it's like, yeah, we know because

the, you know, the, uh, the hologram quinazan

told us. Yeah, the giant quinazan hologram head

told us. Yeah, pay no attention to the man. Yeah,

exactly. Um, but I mean, if you look at this

episode's overall story, yes, it does have its

flaws, but out of all of the ones today that

we're, that we're discussing, it probably has

the best story, I think, out of all of them.

Yeah, because it's more of a transformers timeline

history than it is Just a one -shot like with

fight -or -flee or earth thief in the night or

any of the other ones that we've already talked

about Yeah, we're actually adding to the mythos.

Yes very much. So yeah I dig it. I dig it too.

So we're gonna go on to the next episode That's

the truth! I promise you I'm not lying. I don't

know how to tell you this, Cuff, but the detector

says he's not lying. Let's hear the story from

the beginning. Our forefathers fled Cybertron

during the Fourth Great War. In order to find

a peaceful planet where they would never be found,

they went through the Vortach. That's why it's

not on any of your star charts. You just got

my interest. Why didn't you tell us they were

Decepticons? If you had, we would have been interested

earlier instead of later, which would have been

better, because earlier is always better than

later. Is there something wrong with his timing

program? That's just the way it is. Sandstorm

will have a real nice welcoming party for you

later. Right now, we gotta put together a strike

force. We've got a big problem! The Decepticons

know that Sandstorm escaped, therefore they can

hypothesize that we are coming, therefore they

can make preparations, and therefore we're gonna

be walking into a virtual trap! And where does

that get us? Dead! That's where! Don't worry.

Fight or Flee Cyclonus and Scourge retreat from

a space battle with the Aerialbots and inadvertently

discover the energy -rich planet of Paradron.

Seeking a permanent respite from war, the inhabitants

of Paradron are all pacifist Autobots who fled

Cybertron eons ago to establish an autonomous

colony. Sandstorm, an Autobot triple changer,

and a Peridron citizen must warn his people of

imminent Decepticon invasion before his tranquil

world is forever ravaged. And one little note

about that synopsis. Ravage is not even seen

in this episode. What the hell? Yes, it was Ravage.

By, oh wait, he wasn't that. Yeah, exactly. Let's

see, going with the little notes. In this one,

the aerial bots are kicking the shit out of Cyclonus

and Scourge, which they actually were, when the

beaten Decepticons go through some sort of portal

and arrive on a world much like Cybertron before

the wars. We find out that after the Fourth Great

War happened on Cybertron, the inhabitants of

Paradron escaped and wanted to find somewhere

that the Decepticons would never find them, so

they went through the Vortex. And I don't think...

The Combaticons Vortex was seen in this at all,

even though they mentioned Vortex several times.

It was a Vortex, not THE Vortex. Well, yeah,

I know, but still. You know, Ravage, Vortex,

whatever, they still should be shown. It's a

black hole. Yeah. I think the black hole motif

has been used way too much so far. Oh, yeah.

So far in Season 3, yeah. It's like, Peridron

is inhabited by all the people that are in the

wrong color. Yes. Hence the Peridron medic. yeah

the green RC yeah now keep in mind I did do these

animation very crisp and the color schemes are

correct for the most part however Rodimus's scheme

keeps changing oh and you have photographic evidence

to prove it ow damn it anyway for leaving that

lead pipe there hanging over your head Well,

it wasn't a lead pipe. It was my monitor stand

anyway. Oh, I could see that yes He's metal and

it's not shiny Seeing cyclonus get more action

is great as well as seeing razor -claw and dive

bomb have appearances Cyclone has had some great

lines. Yeah, he did. Yes very much. So he says

I retreat from nobody Well, maybe just as once

He flies away. Yeah Cyclonus says we'll take

cover in that black hole. Yeah of all the places

to hide I think I'm gonna go hide in that black

hole over there. Yeah Cyclonus makes scourges

bitch When when Cyclonus says I take orders from

no one except Galvatron and then Scourge says

I take no one except I take no no orders from

anyone except Galvatron as well and Scourge gives

him a dirty look he goes oh well and Cyclonus.

He kind of looks like him. Yeah, uh -huh. Bitch.

That's right. Well, you know, I think the entire

planet is kind of Cyclonus's bitch at this point.

Oh, yeah. Cyclonus says, yes, they appear to

be wimps. That Autobot wimps. They all appear

to be wimps. And the other line I thought was

great was he says, everybody's got to be somewhere.

I love that. He throws them through a window.

I want to say a window, but it's a giant monitor.

Somebody get me out. I'm stuck in a monitor.

Yeah, that's where you're supposed to be. You

just stick around, and then they monitor, and

you'll be fine. Yes, I do remember that. I believe

that's all I have for the synopsis, that's all

the notes I had, so I guess we can move on to

our thoughts unless you have anything else to

add. As far as the synopsis goes, just a little

bit in the sense that I didn't realize that Sandstorm

was from Peridron. I didn't even know who the

fuck Sandstorm was until I saw this episode.

Oh no, Sandstorm, he's a triple changer. Which

I love some triple changers honestly, but I didn't

realize that that was his backstory I had no

idea who he was until I actually saw this so

I don't know So let's see here as far as triple

change your cart count you have astrotrain blitzwing

and octane for the Decepticons an octane we will

actually get to in thief in the night in the

next episode we talk about and then you have

Springer, Sandstorm, and who else for the Autobots?

Broadside. Oh yeah, Broadside. I thought there

was more than three, but okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay,

so I guess we're gonna move on to our thoughts.

Alright, this is our thoughts for flight or flight.

Yeah, I'm Stan Bush, flight or flee. It's fight

or flee. Okay, let's see. I don't have a whole

lot of notes for this one because as with the

majority of the episodes today, I just didn't.

Of course I did all this like three months ago,

so what'd you think? I thought it was okay. You

know, there was a lot going on basically. Some

things I took an issue with, in particular the

aerial bots actually laying a trap for cyclonus

and scourge in the very beginning? Yeah. Can

kind of see where you take an issue with that

but I was going back and I read the I reread

the the synopsis in the booklet It says they

were in an aerial battle with the aerial bots

It doesn't say whether and we don't see the aerial

bots actually go after I mean we see the chase

But we don't see like the initial what happened

like if scourge and cyclone has started at first

You know Always taking their side. I see how

it is That's right. Well, I didn't really see

it that way because basically you've got Cyclonus

saying, you know, we don't have time for this.

I'm just gonna blast him. And, you know, as they're

chasing the lone aerial bot through the asteroid

belt. And that kind of gave me the impression

that they were, you know, on their way from one

place to another, you know, they got things to

do. Galvatron probably pointed them in the direction

and they said, okay, we'll go. And they just

happen to see So basically you're saying that

Galvatron is nothing but a compass for the rest

of the Decepticons? Well, no. I think that, well,

you know how I feel about Galvatron. There is

no strategic value to Galvatron. It's, oh look,

there's something shiny. And I think it's kind

of up to Cyclonus and Scourge, Scourge follows

Cyclonus everywhere, but it's kind of up to Cyclonus

for the most part to be the brains of the outfit.

Or at least keep the whole thing from falling

apart under Galvatron's rule. Oh, yeah, I agree

with that Yeah, but I you know at the same point

it it's uh you know these aerobots ganging up

on poor cyclonus and You know basically you know

beating the crap out of him and and you know

to add insult to injury not only are they? ambushing

to so it's like you know 5 against 2. They're

ambushing them, but then they combine into a

super robot. And how are you supposed to compete

with that? Talks about a gang bang. No, it's

only 1 against 2. That's much better. And Scourge

slams head first directly into Superion's chest.

And then Psycona says... Are you you know basically

are you okay? He's like I don't know man. I'm

all fucked up Man this hurt a lot. It's like

well of course it hurt you head to head first

Directly in the superions chest that's gonna

hurt like a bitch Yeah, of course they're gonna

get to get the hell out of there That's that's

funny um This is one of those episodes that I

can take it or leave it it isn't one that I can

just This isn't like like okay say say for example.

I have a I have a need to watch g1 This isn't

an episode that I put the disk in say oh, I must

watch fight or flee It's a must watch for me.

I must do this right now Nah, I'd rather blow

the fucker up Well yeah that too yeah web world

sucks, but anyway you know I do like the storyline,

I like the fact that they are tying in more Autobot,

or I guess it would be Transformers history together

with Panadron, or Panadrone or whatever the fuck

it's called. Drone, drone, whatever. Paraslax?

Yeah, Paraslax. No, I don't want to see Parasilton

slacks, thank you very much. I want to see them

as far away from her as possible. Talk about

something soiled So anyway anyway I don't know

what a giant robot is Prime could whip his dick

out and she wouldn't know what to do with it.

Oh man I don't think you're gonna offend many

a fanboy with that one. Or you've inspired a

whole genre of us, slash Vic, we don't know.

Oh crap. Yeah, exactly. Who was the guy who mentioned

Rodimus Prime, or Optimus Prime? Anyway, speaking

of Rodimus Prime, and getting back to my original

point of Autobots not really acting very Autobotly,

you know, basically Rodimus Prime shows up to

this planet, and says, hey, we're here to liberate

your planet. We're here to free you from this

Decepticon rule that you found yourself under

accidentally because you won't fight. And the

populist basically says, no, we're pacifists.

We're not going to fight. He basically lands

on a planet full of Democrats. We're not going

to fight, and that's not how we are. That's not

our way. And Rodimus basically says, Well, it

is now and you know, you're you're gonna do this

he's basically Basically tearing their ideals

from them It's like this is who we are. We're

pacifists. We don't believe in fighting and and

it's like no, no, you're gonna fight and and

you know to Eliminate any question whatsoever.

We're gonna have skyling shit out a huge cache

of guns and you're always just lands and there

they go First of all, first of all, he did not

shit out a whole cache full of guns. They came

out of his back. They did not come out of his

exhaust port or ass or whatever. That's all you

want to call it. Second of all... Second of all,

okay, say, say for example that a huge dictatorship

comes into your town in bumfuck, Indiana, wherever.

You know and says we're gonna take this house

over We're gonna kick your ass out your siding

is not done yet And we're just gonna say the

hell with it, and you're just gonna have to go

to hell Are you gonna fight to keep your home,

or are you gonna flee? That's the whole point

of the episode title. Well, you see my ideals

don't include pacifism though Perspective though

right well you know, but here's the deal though

Rodimus comes in and says You know, we're gonna

liberate your planet, here's the means to do

so, and they all run into the giant pile of guns

and say, okay, fine, you're not gonna call us

a bunch of pussies, we're gonna fight back. Well,

so here they are throwing their ideals to the

wind, and what's Rodimus Prime's next decision?

Okay, this is hard, we're never gonna get rid

of these Decepticons, everybody fall back and

we're just gonna blow up the planet. Yes, and

Cybertron is a better place anyways. Yeah now

that you've sacrificed your ideals now that you

now that you're no longer who you were previously

we're just gonna blow up your utopian society

and Isn't that I mean That's just raw. It's not

very Autobot to me. It's not the Autobot way

It's like not only are we gonna blow up your

planet, but hey How about we gather you all up

on this asteroid so that you can have roast seats

while we explode it? Oh look, it's so pretty.

Oh crap. Now that you bring that up, the only

thing that I can think of is Steve Buscemi and

Armageddon. Well, at least we have a front row

seat to the end of the world. To the end of the

world, that's right. It was your planet. And

Rodimus says, well, you know, your utopia kind

of sucked anyway. But I mean, if you look at

utopian type... you know things and you know

TV cartoons whatever books you know generally

this I mean this is probably the exception they

were all pacifist they were all basically wimpy

Autobots like cyclonus said but I mean most utopian

stuff there is something going on underneath

that is evil and sinister best example i can

think of is uh... the last uh... superman the

animated series of so the lesson of krypton where

brainiac is is hiding the fact the plan is going

to be destroyed and they have this utopian rule

where brainiac whatever he says goes uh... And

I did like the fact that Sandstorm, even though

before this episode I had no idea who the fuck

Sandstorm was, I did like the fact that he brought

up the fact that the forefathers of, that originally

founded Panendrola, or whatever the hell it's

called, would say yes, we need to fight for our

beliefs and for our planet to save it. And he

even says in the end, you know, it was beautiful

in death as it was in life. Yeah, it's fantastic.

It's a shame that people we don't even know had

to show up and blow it up for us. Yeah, thanks,

Rodimus. Appreciate that. That was real nice

of you. You're just a Rodimus Prime hater. That's

all it is. I do. You know, Rodimus Prime's famous

last words, I got it handled. He's like, they're

coming in on the shuttle. I got it handled. And

then the Decepticons, right through the moon.

It's like, you know, we're a damn good shot.

We don't learn from our mistakes, because every

time we shoot one of those shuttles, they're

actually floating somewhere just outside of the

shuttle. But we're a damn good shot. We hit them

right through that moon. That's funny. Yeah,

I don't have a whole lot of respect for Artemis.

I'm going to have to come back and reiterate

this on the episode where Prime comes back. Yeah,

the return of Optimus Prime. That's right. Give

me back that Matrix, bitch. I may have been dead,

but my pimp hand is still strong. I think that's

the second time you've said that on this podcast.

Give me back that Matrix, you bitch. That's right,

you piece of shit. You hand that back right fucking

now. I'm gonna smack you down. So do you have

any other thoughts on Fight or Flee before we

head into the final episode of today? No, I believe

that about covers it. Yeah, I'd have to say it's

pretty much a throwaway episode for the most

part Green RC Who doesn't want a green RC honestly?

Green RC grabbing her ass while flying a pink

springer here we go. Oh, yeah, just okay That

would be that would be that picture from the

negative universe. Talk about a bad repaint.

Holy crap They have para drone medic repaints.

Oh do they? yes you know anyway uh... alright

up next is thief in the night crescent moon and

Tripticon will be on strict rations of 1 ,000

barrels of oil a day. 1 ,000 a day? He'll starve!

We'll both starve! If you don't like my offer,

I'll call in the Autobots. A most unfortunate

occurrence. Beautiful. Outrageous. Whoever it

was just made off with Fort Knox like a thief

in the night. And lastly up today we have Thief

in the Night. Octane is on the run from Galvatron

and wants leadership of the Decepticons for himself.

He convinces Trypticon to head to the oil producing

nation of Carbamia where they can consume all

the energon. They want in exchange for performing

an occasional task for the country's sovereign

Abdul Fakadi Yeah, I think there's a play on

words there, but I'm not gonna go there But Fakadi

doesn't stop them Doesn't stop there and orders

his new metal mobsters to steal numerous national

monuments Including the Taj Mahal and the Eiffel

Tower and the Kremlin And the Kremlin. Well,

I was reading and reading and I'm like, okay,

there's two, oh wait, there's three. Yeah, the

Eiffel Tower, the Taj Mahal, and the Kremlin.

Well, it doesn't say Fort Knox in the thing,

but we can talk about it. This episode starts

with a Metroplex trypticon fight shown on Teletran

2. Grimlock wants to see the end where... where

Tripticon got finished off by Metroplex and Teletran

2 is like, that did not happen. I think, and

then Rodimus pipes up, I think what he means

to say is when he threw him off the cliff into

the ocean. Actually, that is referencing an episode

that we've already seen. Was that actually flashback?

Is that the same footage? Or was that new footage?

Yeah, I think it is. I think it was the same

footage from, I believe it was Five Faces of

Darkness? Yeah, I was wondering if they actually

used the same footage. Yeah, I think they did

it might have been different it might have been

angled differently, but I think it was the same

footage Cheap It was the 80s Ah Yes my my my

correctness comes true to this next This next

never truly finished Trypticon off, and they

send out Broadside and SeaSpray to investigate,

and Broadside does have a voice. I don't know

who played him, but he does have a voice. Well,

Broadside showed up in a previous episode and

he talked. I know, but you said it wasn't Broadside,

you said it was somebody else. That's what you

said go back and listen to episode 17. I was

right. No in that episode I said That it wasn't

broadside at all It was just a plane that happened

to look like broadside and we've seen a lot of

those and you were saying No, it was broadside.

I heard him talk and I'm thinking I don't think

it was him talking I think it was somebody else

talking No, it was him talking. Anyway Turns

out trypticon is walking in the bottom of the

ocean until he reaches Carbondon who walks on

the bottom of the ocean going to the next place

where he's going to blow up like Tokyo. Every

time he's terrorizing Tokyo, he's coming out

of the ocean, out of the water. Okay, how the

fuck can Triptakani enter John Q's with a gun

in his mouth? Because if you notice in his mouth,

he has the blasters. The two twin blasters that

are supposed to be his cunt. They serve as a

big straw. How can he? He's got like a silly

straw that comes out. Oh my god. Little loops.

Okay. Through his stupidity Grimlock says something

useful given the Autobots a clue as to who took

Fort Knox. Yeah, Grimlock says it has dinosaur

energon... Yeah, yeah, something or other. And

then of course the Autobots, which I hate, they

pretty much pulled a Sentinel Prime thing, you

know, 40 years or 25 years early, where they're

like, oh, it's got to be the Dinobots. We're

going to interrogate everybody and accuse everybody

of everything. They're going to call in the usual

dinosaur suspects. Yeah, exactly. Including Skylinks.

because he's shifty eyed. You know he did it.

All these guys together lined up couldn't lift

up Fort Knox by themselves, but you know it's

one of them. I don't need to see, oh yeah, I

don't need to see another Carbomnia episode ever

again. I don't. Don't remember why I wrote that

Yeah, the one last episode I forget which what

the episode title was but the one where I Think

it was last episode where blaster is is Blaster

and an outback are trying to find the Decepticon

jets. I think it was last episode I don't know

but I know there's been two that that have had

carbamia as a backdrop More Metroplex versus

Trypticon battling, which I think is pretty cool.

And again, last note, Rodimus Prime's color scheme

is non -movie in this one. I'm so sick of it

going back and forth, back and forth in each

fucking episode. At the end of the episode, he

actually turns black. I did not notice that.

Yeah, it's like black Rodimus, and I'm thinking

this would make an awesome Ehabi repaint. It's

kind of like a black Winnebago, you know, with

the flames on it. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like

the toy that has purple flames. It has purple

under the orange flames on the side. Oh, yeah.

There's a little bit of purple there. But, no,

I mean, I've seen... A G1 version? No, we're

talking like the Japanese reissues. Shattered

glass? No, no. Well, yeah, I guess they did make

a black and purple Rodimus in shattered glass.

Yeah, shattered glass is the only black one I've

ever seen. When the Japanese reissues came out,

I want to say back in 2000, they put out a black

version and a clear version. They were sharp.

They were really cool. I wish I had none, but

they're hard to find. All right, do you have

any more thoughts on the synopsis? I think, well,

you know, yes, I do. Yes, I do. Most of what

I have here is really our thoughts, but synopsis

-wise, Swindle would have been awesome for this

role rather than Noctane. Oh yeah, very much

so. Yeah, I don't know if they just wanted to

use Octane because he's a triple changer, which

he didn't really highlight that ability very

much here. It'll be highlighted next episode.

Yeah, but I'm thinking maybe they just use Octane

because it's an oil episode. That could be it,

but I don't get where he betrayed Galvatron other

than Okay, yeah, he did kind of take trypticon

from Dinobot Island because that is said in the

story But I mean like before this episode. I

don't think before this episode. We've ever seen

octane. I don't remember him Is he part of a

certain, is he part of like, he's not part of

the Stunakons, is he part of the Combaticons?

No, he's just the triple changer. Okay. But the

fact that he turns into an oil truck, it kind

of makes sense because this is an oil episode,

but no, the whole plot just screams swindle to

me. Yeah, oh yeah, I completely agree. So I think

we're going to move on to our thoughts for this

final episode today. Alright, this is the thoughts

section for the final episode today. What the

hell is the name of the episode? Oh yeah. Thief

in the Night. Thief in the Night. Thief in the

Night. That's right. Alright, what'd you think?

Well, I liked it in the sense that it's got Tripticon

and Megatron. Or Megatron, Metroplex. Megatron

would've kicked ass. It would've been like, I

am Mighty Megatron and I'm gonna kick everyone's

ass. No, it's Metroplex and Trypticon and anytime

you get giant transformers battling it out, it's

a cool thing. Yes, yes, very much so. But they

had a scene - I've noticed - Oh, go ahead. Oh,

I'm sorry, but I was gonna say they had a scene

with Metroplex parked on Autobot City. And I

was thinking, you know, I thought that's where

he went. As far as you know how he was supposed

to fit into this in the city, but I Couldn't

remember ever seeing it that way before Yeah,

I don't even remember seeing that scene What

I was gonna say was we've seen Metroplex more

recently in robot mode for the majority. We don't

really see him as city Actually in this episode

trypticon in like right next to the palace does

transform into his city mode and becomes this

this battle station that he isn't starts firing

on the incoming autobots but i mean i don't think

i've seen metroplex as an actual city the last

couple of episodes today well i think uh... as

far as trip to congo or trip to babes as uh...

as octane calls him tripped you baby they showed

him in battle station mode but i don't think

they've ever shown him in city mode maybe uh...

during the commercial In cutscenes, he transforms

into a city mode. But in the episode itself,

they only showed him in Battle Station. They

showed Metroplex in Battle Station, too. Yeah,

I don't remember, so... I don't know. What else

you got? You got Trypticon, he comes in, he steals

Fort Worth. Or Fort Knox. Yeah, Fort Worth. He

steals the entire city of Texas! or city in Texas.

You know what I mean. I don't even have a cold

this time. I have no excuse. But he steals Fort

Knox and picks it up and everybody goes, oh no.

It's like in the bridge scene in Star Trek where

people get, where the ship is being bombarded

with enemy blasts and everybody on the bridge

is kind of going, ah. who uh... as it is a run

back and forth and some of the uh... but yes

inside ford nox everybody's on the soldiers one

who uh... and all the bricks are falling but

in the next scene you've got uh... kadafi and

he's uh... he's kind of inspecting ford nox and

all the bricks are stacked who said you know

that's uh... that's a animation for a little

bit heavy who's going to spree stack all those

Maybe they had trypticon too. Yeah, yeah. He's

like, one, two. Stacking them all up. Yeah, I

was going to say, I'm not sure what play on words

you thought the Karabamian leader was, but I

believe he was supposed to be Omar Qaddafi from

Libya. Could be. Because I mean, the name kind

of sounds like Qaddafi. It's got the same syllables.

Yeah, yeah, Fucati or, yeah, Fucati or whatever.

Yeah. Oh, that's what it was! What? Okay, okay,

get it? Fucati. Fucati. Fucati? Fucati. Fuc the

hottie? Yeah. Fuc the hottie? I don't know. Fair

war's not even in this episode. She ain't even

really that hot anyway. Well, yeah. missus and

i was not going to have to have a look at the

fact that it's like the way that it was uh...

pick up uh... you know fairborn graver s and

then you know i don't springer uh... moving right

along here i did the math uh... triptych on uh...

drinks a uh... which is eating all these other

times you drink drinking the end of the cubes

and uh... the county says Each cube is 1 ,000

barrels of oil. And he, Chopticon, eats 50 cubes

per hour. If there are 24 hours in a day, that

would be 1 ,200 ,000 barrels of oil per day.

That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot.

I'm not even sure most countries produce that

much. per day. No, I don't think so. So Triptychon

is conceivably eating the entire output of Carbamia

every day. Yep. Carbamia with 4 ,000 people,

10 ,000 camels. Yeah, I meant to pause it on

that sign, and I never did. I never saw what

the number was. Oh, I went back. 4 ,000 people,

10 ,000 camels. And I'm thinking, what's the

demographics on that? Is it like two camels for

every man? You know all of our women are running

around in the burkas, and we can't really see

their faces, but the camels are looking damn

fine Oh my god Okay, do you have any other relevant

non just weird off the wall? You know I I thought

it was cool that Metroplex put all the buildings

back Yeah, I mean it was kind of it was kind

of a given Yeah, how else are they gonna do it,

but they did take a few minutes at the end to

kind of show him doing it Yeah, that was that

was a nice thing. It was a nice touch Yes, it

was but no overall. It was a quick episode. It

kind of came and went Yeah, most of the episodes

today kind of came and went and thank God they

did I had a lot of notes for that one just because

it was so awful and fight or flee Fight or flee

I had a lot of notes for that one, too. I mean

Where Steve from the night probably half a page

Yeah, I think a lot of this kind of you know

I think the majority of the episode was trypticon

Coming in and these two giant claws coming out

of the clouds and picking up landmarks and walking

off with them. Yes Kind of light on plot and

light on light on interesting things happening

Yeah, not a whole lot of interesting things happening

In this batch other than what like we said forever

is a long time coming I think that was the best

one out of the batch today. Yeah, definitely

So I think we're going to end this episode stay

tuned for some ads The volcano headquarters for

the Autobots on the earth was destroyed in a

Decepticon attack now In the year 2006, Autobot

City has become the new Autobot Earth base. Autobot

City is also a transformer known as Metroplex,

with the capacity to transform from city mode

to a battle station or to a giant robot. Metroplex

is the Autobot's last line of defense, the robot

they depend upon when all other options fail.

Metroplex is back! When Metroplex transforms

to a robot, some of his modular components form

smaller, separate robots. SixGun, the ideal defensive

battle scout. Slammer, the tank, and Scamper,

the tough little car that births in Metroplex's

city ramp. To counter the power of Metroplex

on Earth, the Decepticons have built Decepticon

City. Known as Tripticon, the city can transform

to battle station mode, becoming a mobile menace

with X -ray lasers and twin photon cannons. Trypticon

also has a dinosaur mode, an immense walking

reptilian form that crushes anything in its path.

Metroplex and Trypticon are each other's deadliest

enemies. Whenever they approach one another,

they lock in battle and engage in incredible

combat. And the victor in their epic struggles

may someday turn the tide of battle in favor

of either the Decepticons or the Autobots. Which

will it be? The Quintessons are sinister robotic

creatures with five -sided heads, each side with

a different face, including the face of death.

These tentacled beings who travel on beams of

energy are cruel and emotionless, and the creators

of all the Transformers on Cybertron millions

of years ago. The Quintessons never intended

their intelligent machines to develop emotions.

But to their horror, the Transformers rose up

against their masters and drove them away from

Cybertron. The Quintessons retreated to a planet

they named Quintessa, where they lived a star

in barren existence with their Sharkticon guards.

Sinister and vicious, lacking any individualistic

intelligence, the Sharkticans usually serve as

executioners for their Quintesson masters, who

toss condemned victims into the Sharkticon pit.

What is that? The Quintessons finally decided

to blow up their planet, Quintessa. I shall miss

Quintessa. To try to prevent Autobot captives

and invaders from escaping. Their plot to destroy

the Autobot's fate. And now, without a world

of their own, they roam the universe with their

Sharktacons, making victims of whatever luckless

beings cross their path. Their goal is to regain

control of Cybertron and eradicate all Autobots

and Decepticons. Yet, so manipulative and cunning

are they, that they even trick the Decepticons

into helping them achieve their aims. I'm Stan

Bush and I dare you to listen to All Things Transformers

with Steve Megatron and TFG1 Mike. Well, that

is all for this episode of the TFG1 Podcast.

Join us next time when we'll be reviewing five

more episodes from Transformers Generation 1

Season 3, those being Starscream's Ghost, Ghost

in the Machine, Dweller in the Depths, Nightmare

Planet, which I absolutely fucking hate that

episode, and The Ultimate Weapon. Mr. Wilson

here may or may not be joining us for episode

20, depending on if he can watch the episodes

by this coming Friday evening. Most likely it

will be myself and Steve Megatron doing episode

20. uh... so yeah that's a little bit of a programming

go into the rest of the closing i would like

to send out a special uh... thanks to the subject

on crescendo and stan bush for getting my original

nineteen eighty six uh... cd signed uh... i've

talked about it before and on the cast radio

and all things transformers and yeah it's just

super super awesome i get a good i get a go find

a class case for this thing Huge shout out to

DC. DC? Oh, okay, I was like, wait, why the hell

are we talking about DC Comics in this podcast?

So, anyway... I'm a Marvel, and he's a DC. Fuck

D .C. Anyway, thank you for joining us on the

TFG1 Podcast. There are several ways to get in

touch with us or leave feedback for the podcast.

The first is you can visit the PredaconEmpire

.com forums and get all your Transformers discussion

topics there. The second is you can follow us

on Twitter. Mine over there is TFG1 Podcast and

yours is... Pecan Court Michael. P -E -C -A -N

-C -T -E -M -I -C -H -A -E -L. M -O -U -S -E.

No, just kidding. Now I know my ABCs. Next time

won't you sing with me? Okay, stop. See, now

I should have been singing through carnage. No,

you shouldn't have. Now stop. The third is you

can visit the Earth2 .net forums. I have a thread

over there for the podcast under the self -promotion

section. The fourth is the email address, which

is tfg1podcast at gmail .com. The fifth way that

you can help us out, really help us out, is going

to iTunes and leaving us positive feedback. Five

Stars is preferred and you can write a little

review. It doesn't have to be like a whole paragraph

or a whole book on what you like and what you

don't like about the show. couple of things that

you may want to say about the show please leave

us itunes feedback because uh... yeah the show's

almost over we have four episodes left and for

now i am michael blanchard with michael wilson

singing more words about this prime transform

and roll out and thank you for listening until

next time