The Killing Jar, Chaos, The Dark Awakening, Forever Is A Long Time Coming, and Starscream’s Ghost

Stan Bush here, and you're listening to the TFG1

Podcast, fulfilling all your Generation 1 Transformers

needs. Hello and welcome to episode 18 of the

TFG1 podcast. My name is Michael Wanchard and

I am with Michael Wilson. Hello. Hi there. Well,

normally I would allow time for episodes to be

released previously so we'd have like a week's

worth of time to talk about You know what happened

in the previous episode but because I'm trying

to get my original goal of having TFG1 and on

July 10th as far as airing the podcast, new episodes,

we are doing double duty this week. So you will

have a double shot of the TFG1 podcast episode

17 and 18. So how have you been Mr. Sickly? I'm

still sick. You're still sick. You sound better

than what you did the last time. Yeah, I'm doing

a little better. I'm still a little under the

weather, but I'm doing better than I was, let's

say. Yes. Yes, and that direct message you sent

me a while ago on Twitter, you're like, I hate

surprises. It's going to be funny as hell because

it's right at the beginning of the show. That's

all I'm going to say. Nice. Thanks. Exactly.

uh... it's not a birthday surprise is it uh...

no but you did recently celebrate your two hundredth

birthday didn't you uh... i am uh... eleven d

seven i think it is eleven d seven oh my god

i didn't have ears no i just turned thirty six

uh... well uh... happy belated birthday thanks

almost said happy early birthday but that was

that would be thirty seven next year yeah only

three hundred sixty four more days to go Yes,

exactly. Let's see what's going on with me since

we recorded last, which isn't too much. Having

eBay issues, not only with the auction that I'm

currently running, but with something I already

sold. I really don't want to get into too much

with that, but other than that, Geekcast Radio

Network is, we are pretty much blasting off.

We have got Tooncast Episode 0 just released

the other day. Tooncast episode 1 will probably

be released on Saturday. Let's see, Geekcast

Radio episode 2 will be released at some point.

We haven't actually recorded that yet. We're

probably going to do that on Saturday. Also Saturday.

It will be a dual record for all things Transformers

and TFG1. I'm interviewing Stan Bush yet again

after BotCon. I'm going to be talking about how

his BotCon experience was, what kind of fan interaction

he had, what kind of stuff did he see, like if

he went in the dealer room or anything like that.

Also going to be talking about the new touch.

So yeah, that's pretty much what's going on with

me. Shut up. I can't even do it. You got the

shut up. It's just just just just No Technically

the surprise for this episode would be this Stupid

thing It was it was supposed to be blaster since

you said in the last episode you're not a fan

of blaster It was blaster saying good morning.

Good morning, and then the warning thing comes

up, and it goes bad morning bad morning Yeah,

yeah, he was he said good morning. Good morning.

Oh, we got a warning He goes, bad morning, bad

morning. So yeah, it was supposed to be right.

Sorry Blaster, no one will ever take the place

of Scatman and Crothers. They're already trying,

you just can't beat the man. So yeah, that's

pretty much all that's been going on with us

as far as general stuff, I think, unless you've

got stuff that's been going on with you. No,

I mean, Transformers -wise, I... Picked up a

bunch of the movie toys despite the fact that

I said that I wouldn't But you know, I can't

skip a smokescreen homage as I bought that and

I bought a few of the other movie toys and a

bunch of the Scout class for the basic size figures

Because they are Direct molds from the last Transformers

game that I really really liked a lot. Have you

seen the the new TV spots? I don't know how to

feel them at this point until I actually go and

see the movie I'm feeling like this just because

it just doesn't it just doesn't seem like it's

cohesive from all the crap they're showing us

well they're showing us little bits and pieces

I think but they're not trying to show us the

best parts and they want to they want to leave

a little bit behind so that we can still be wowed

in the theater I think I think I'll enjoy it.

I think along the lines of the first movie when

I saw it It was well, it's not my transformers,

but it's it's giant robots Turn in the trucks

and such. So that's that's kind of That's kind

of neat and plus, you know, they've already started

with the g1 homages I got a toys RS exclusive

two -pack with the Autobot world versus Decepticon

bludgeon And they're repaints, but they still

look really cool Yes. Even if I don't want to

buy the movie stuff, I'm still finding things

I like. You damn completionist, you. Can't help

it. It's a sickness. So we are going to be talking

about five episodes from season three today.

And let's just get right into it. Cyclonus, you

saved me. But why? Warriors, it is you and I

should meet their end. in battle. You fools!

The escape pod has been launched with no one

aboard! We will all be devoured by that black

hole out there! We wouldn't be in this situation

at all if you had not captured us. Cyclonus,

I can finish my own thoughts. I don't need you

to do it for me. Maybe the thought was not yours

to begin with, Ultron Magnus. Our host is taking

a powder. Maybe we should go after him. Or shouldn't

I ask? Incoming transmission and radio message

mail call! Where's the transmission coming from?

Somewhere behind us and it is on the same frequency

as our own distress signal. But who is sending

it? God! Punch up our rear view screen! Look!

That is why the transmission is on the same frequency

as ours! My Quintesson brothers have come to

rescue me! You are wrong. Only Decepticons would

travel this far. To my visual receptors, it looks

more like an Autobot cruiser than a Decepticon

junk. Junk? Rick, I found home. Operator standing

by. Forget it! It's not here to rescue anybody.

It's a derelict ship. There's no crew. But what

about the transmission we're receiving? The signal

must be automatic, merely repeating a distress

call. Just like our distress signal. And just

like ours, no one else has heard it. So, alright,

first up today is The Killing Jar. And let me

get the booklet out before I forget. I did have

it right next to the desk, but I almost forgot

it. I don't want this turning into episode 17.

That's it that happens all the time. Yeah, I

know, but still. Alright the killing jar the

synopsis according a little booklet says a quintessence

scientists kidnaps ultra Magnus cyclonus retgar

and Marissa Fairborn in order to conduct an expert

experiments in behavioral psychology the prisoners

escape their cells but the scientist ship is

damaged during an energon storm and Is set on

a deadly and inescapable path to the to the event

horizon of a black hole? I gotta say I For the

most part of my synopsis is for this episode

today I have very short notes only because when

I first did this it was like three months ago

But I did go back and I did watch All five episodes

that we're gonna be talking about today earlier

in the day, so Yeah fresh in your yes very much

so only because I was looking for a couple of

a couple of things and Yeah, why don't you start

with some of your notes because I'm gonna be

looking for something here for a second Sure

Were you going to go through the the initial

stuff or did you um let me see maybe I can say

uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...

uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...

uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...

uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...

Mold his colors not as mold but his colors change

almost every other episode that out of the ones

that we're gonna be reviewing today It's just

it's irritating. I know it's an animation flub.

I'm just kind of wondering when they when they

rerelease as as the 25th anniversary complete

series because I know that they remastered those

I just wonder what what color mold they're gonna

use for him because This is just irksome. Here

is the color. I've actually learned how to take

screenshots. I just sent you a picture through

Skype. I've learned how to take screenshots with

my DVD program on here. So I took a whole bunch

of screenshots from all the episodes today. And

one of them, RC looks like she's a porn bot.

She just does. I don't know why. It looks like

something out of Austin Powers. You sent me a

picture of the point in sky I've got to see this

oh Wow, I didn't realize there were bitmap images.

No wonder they wouldn't open right? I do too,

but that's how it that's how it takes them with

the With the thing what the the the capture images

which sucks but You know, it's RC porn. Well,

it's not really porn. It's it's well this is

going to go on a real big tangent yeah this is

like we aren't doing this head this is not like

it last time and now it's like the RC for this

shot here we go this shot was in five phases

of darkness where she's standing on Springer

and she has her hand on her ass yes And I did

capture one and this is kind of going back I

know we're supposed to be talking about killing

jar But it's kind of going back to my face is

a darkness a little bit. I took I took one With

the scene that you were talking about with Megatron

being born and yes, there are eight construct

icons Yeah, it was that was a little too weird

for me One okay. So anyway the killing jar sorry

about that folks Yeah, there's only like five

or six episodes left So you guys should know

by now with all the other podcasts that I've

done or I'm going to do There's been a lot of

tangents and there probably will be Yeah, you

were gonna put this image of RC with her hand

on her ass on the message board. I already did

You know, if I could get that in a larger format,

that might be my style. Oh my god. I'm not saying

I'm masterful at it. I'm just saying, hey, that's

kind of hot, you know? If I knew, I should have

never shown that crap to you. Oh god. Dirty old

man. That tastes a little more than, you know,

girly romance. Yeah, okay, yeah. We need to get

back on top. uh... uh... with this episode with

them going uh... through a uh... black hole they

actually end up in a negative universe and if

you will look in your scope window and sending

another picture uh... unfortunately to be a bit

map but uh... bad repaints is the best way i

can describe this picture you know because that

yeah because when they go through the uh... through

the event horizon. Instead of being crushed in

the pulp, they're actually sent through the negative

universe. And yeah, that was my first thing,

is why was there never a negative universe recently?

How cool is that? And the only thing I can think

of, I can compare that as like the last year's

BotCon shattered glass. And I'm thinking, you

know, it'd be cool if they all went through the

event horizon and came up with different colors

and goatees. Oh, God. Like shattered glass robinets.

Where do I get this facial hair from? How did

that happen? Well, it's actually funny you mentioned

the shattered glass stuff because I thought it

was like the repaint. And I just saw this the

other day. I was looking at BBTS the other day.

I don't know why. I never bought anything from

them. I don't have any money to buy anything

from them, but that's beside the point. But I

was looking for TFA toys to see if they had any

pre -orders up for the new Rodimus and RC, which

they don't. But I saw animated Roadbuster Ultra

Magnus, and it's a repaint of the original. It's

like green and brown, and it's almost like that

Ultra Magnus that's in the picture I just sent

you. And for anybody that is listening to this

that is like, wait, what picture? Go over to

PredaconEmpire .com slash CafeSpark under the

G1 screenshots thread, and you can see what we're

talking about. Cyclonus kind of looks like the

Sunstorm version. Yeah, he does, doesn't he?

I always thought he was gold looking, but yeah,

you're right. Yep. Rodimus in space. Yes, that's

right. Rodimus in space. I might have a little

more to talk about that later. Yeah, we probably

will The quints are back if you people will remember

from the last episode the quintessence were the

main villain throughout the five part of Five

faces of darkness and they are back in this episode

Well, yeah, but I mean still quintessence Let's

see, I already mentioned that they were kidnapped

Sucked into a black hole Magnus see I Really

liked what they did in this story. What are you

eating? What are you doing? I'm eating paper

eating the paper The dog ate my notes in which

in this case the dog will be me. I'm eating the

are very similar, except for the fact that one

is good and the other is evil. They are both

warriors, and they both have respect for... Hell,

Cyclonus even saves him. When Magnus got ejected

from the ship, when they let the escape pod go

without anybody getting into it. Shared code

of honor. Yes, exactly. Which I thought was really,

really cool. Negative universe, way cool. Yeah,

yeah, it was very simple notes when I did this

originally They make it back in skylinks rescue

rescues them And I we just mentioned the mutual

warrior respect and that's pretty much all I

have for notes on this episode I went back and

I watched it again and I really couldn't think

of anything else Nothing else that that that

I was watching just popped into my head this

afternoon when I was watching them so What do

you got? Well, uh Yeah Normally, we would we

would uh, you know put off my my rambling notes

here For a our thoughts section. Oh, okay. Are

we in there already? I don't know it can happen.

I guess it doesn't really matter to me Our thoughts

to start with our thoughts I would say I thought

it was weird that in the beginning everyone's

being kidnapped, right? And and they're they're

the quinazans are mimicking or the quinazan I

should say in his in his guard their ship mimics

Something that would draw their prey toward them

and in cyclonus's case. It's broadside. No, it's

not. It's galvatron No, no, it's bright. No,

god Galvatron is not a giant red and blue airplane

But when he go but when they get in when he goes

inside he hears galvatron and they and they show

a picture of galvatron They don't show they do

They know they show When when oh, that's when

they fight right exactly goes in and he says,

you know What trickery is this and then Galvatron

exactly? Right, but I mean the the shift that

lands it's it's a it's another one of those broadside

Okay, one of those big ones that look like broadside

and it's kind of like well, that's kind of strange

that broadside would show up and say Galvatron

wants to see you and he goes what and he shows

up and he walks inside and Galvatron says hi

there And the first thing he says why are you

kicking my ass? It's like doesn't he kick your

ass every time he sees you Why are you so surprised

now I can see Ultra Magnus being surprised that

Rodimus is trying to kick his ass because he's

like, you know I'm gonna squash you into the

dirt because you're a loser But you know on the

other hand cyclonus should be used to actually

the rodimus magnus thing comes back in return

of optimus prime when uh... when when magnus

and i'll and and steven i'll discuss this when

we eventually get to that episode but uh... when

magnus turns ready goes come here kid i'm gonna

destroy you or whatever he says yeah the hate

plague and all that stuff it well that's the

hate yeah that makes you say funny things it's

like too much It's like what I know it's the

booze talking, you know, you're not really planning

on killing You should know But I haven't had

anything tonight so moving right along the other

thing I noticed was cyclonus seems to know a

little bit about how Ultra Magnus is programmed.

And he says, well, this is how I expect Ultra

Magnus to perform in this test. And spot on,

he does. But then he sees Cyclonus, and he says,

this is how I think Cyclonus should perform in

this test based on his programming that I helped

with. But it's like, wait a minute now. Cyclonus

was built by Unicron. So that. So technically

the Quintesson shouldn't have known how Cyclonus

would have reacted. But so far from season three

the Quintessons know everything. They are big

know -it -alls. That's true, but I mean yeah

from my thoughts it's like wait a minute he shouldn't

know and you know to this day we're still not

sure who Cyclonus was reformatted from so I mean

the Quintesson couldn't even infer from that.

I think it was Thundercracker. It might have

been but I think it was but I'm not really sure

I would have to look at the movie again, but

I'm pretty sure all of the insecticons become

sweeps Yeah, yeah, yeah and record record gets

lured in by a Now why would record follow a clown

anywhere clowns are just damn You didn't you

learn anything from it? You know, it's like the

the clown is in the ship and he says beep beep

wreck You know, this is another one of those

clips I should have sent you you've seen it.

Yes. Oh Yeah, it's Tim Curry is the clown. Yes.

Don't come on down here We all float down here.

Yeah. Yeah, no. You just do this to me every

time we go on a tangent. Uh, no, I may use this.

Nice. Yeah, every time I go off on a pop culture.

No, I was just doing it because of it, because

I hate clowns and I don't like horror films.

Oh, yeah, that's right. the only the only part

I remember from it is when when the when the

when the when the clown or whatever is is looking

like a girl and the guy is is in there and Turns

around and says he turns back in the car. He

goes come here kiss me fat boy All of my all

of my it knowledge so yeah So I wasn't, yeah,

again, you know, we won't go anywhere further

down that path. Besides from saying that Tim

Curry's awesome, even at that. Tim Curry definitely

should have played a voice in Transformers somewhere

along the way, because he's an awesome voice

actor. He's got a very distinct voice. Yes. Speaking

of voice actors, did Sue Blue do Marissa Fairborn

in this one? She did, I believe. She did Marissa

throughout all of them. OK, it sounds like her,

but, you know, she's got... Trying to do like

a I don't want to say an accent but a she's definitely

got a kind of a blue blood thing going to her

No, you know that Marissa is what lady Jay's

daughter, right? I think I brought that up in

episode 17. Yeah Speaking about voice actors

her dad was in this they didn't actually say

her dad was named Nathaniel or that his or Flint's

But it was the same voice actor as the guy who

played Flint in G .I. Joe. So the continuity

was there. Yeah. The continuity was there. They

never actually came out and said it here in this

episode. And, you know, Flint Dilley has come

out since then and said, yeah, that is Flint.

Yeah. Yeah, I was actually surprised that Flint

Dilley did not write this episode. He wrote he

wrote all five parts of five faces of darkness,

but he didn't write this one. It was two other

ways I think I remember that from watching them

earlier today. I don't know my memories kind

of like The most notable one is when The quint

tries to get away and the escape pod and she

jumps on his back. Yeah, she's like get over

here you And I'm thinking ride him cowgirl. Oh

God Yeah, she jumps on his back and rides him.

Yeah, she's taking his ass down like a filly

I thought that was funny. But the other thing

that I noticed was in the negative universe.

Yes where she turns purple And I'm thinking,

you know, you'd think a purple chick would be

hotter You know, I've been somewhat for some

reason the purple just didn't do anything for

her. Well, that's cuz she had the pink lipstick

still at it the Oh crap, I can't believe I'm

gonna say this the purple the purple face Drew

more attention to the pink lipstick but uh let

me see let me go back to the notes here oh another

thing i noticed um The junkie on a wrecker, you

know immediately goes in and Sir surprises the

quintesson with his actions He locks him up in

a room and he says well with this clean pristine

room There's no junk in there the junkie on should

be you know frozen in the inaction because there's

new because you know He's not used to the surroundings

and the first thing record does is tear the room

and it's more like home Yeah, and he sees all

the room full of garbage now ha ha and the Quinn

says Wow, I didn't really expect that to happen

the one and yeah, no good I was gonna say it

makes me wonder if there was some sort of junkie

on evolution since that time and if so, maybe

there's other forms of You know Autobot evolution

going on that may Yeah, you know that may that

may be another scientific tangent that we probably

don't need to go down Yeah, I'm not really sure

but I do want to make a comparison between G1

retgar and TFA retgar G1 retgar at least had

guns and at least knew how to use a gun TFA retgar

tried to fight people with fucking junk In garbage

all the time. I mean, you know, I'm not trying

to get on the people that did TFA But at least

give the damn bought a gun every once in a while,

but you know You're missing the point on the

Transformers animated right there. I think animated

right car is slightly akin to the Nokia phone

that gets animated in the movie. He didn't mean

to be there, he has no history, he has no thoughts

on the matter. He's brand new to the world. Whereas

the Nokia phone, his first thought is, I'm just

gonna fuck everything up. I'm just gonna kill

everything I see. Rekgar is kind of the exact

opposite, being a good guy. He's looking at the

world full of wonder and saying, wow, where am

I and what am I supposed to be doing here? And

just trying to find himself. Whereas, you know

the wreck are in the movie or in the TV series

The you know original TV series. Yeah He knows

where he's at in life. He has a purpose and you

know, he knows who he is. Okay. Yeah, I got you

There's a huge difference in characterization.

Yeah, that's true Yeah, I really don't have anything

else unless you have more because yeah, I don't

know. I just don't It's not that I dislike Killing

Jar. I don't know. Pretty much all the episodes

today, other than Dark Awakening, I really didn't

care for. Yeah. Well, you know, something that

I was going to mention was along with voice actors

that I forgot. The voice actor for Cyclonus.

Cyclonus is way off in this episode. Yeah, he

is a little bit. Well, I mean, he sounded to

me kind of like a combiner. He was very loud

and gruff and and very slow speaking and it was

you know, it was a vast difference between him

here and What was this surprise party? Oh, that's

oh, that's right. He wasn't surprised party Yeah,

he wasn't but I mean he sounded he sounded much

more like himself in surprise party Whereas in

this one, he was more, you know, he sounded more

like he was Well, like a big combiner. I'm not

sure I'm trying to hopefully see if INDB loads,

but I don't actually remember who played him.

I know that it was probably somebody with the

original G1 series, because obviously he had

no voice in the movie. I would like to say it's

Welker, but I'm probably gonna get a whole bunch

of screaming fangirls at me saying, no, it's

something else. Well, it'd be nice to get some

type of clarification. If it was the same guy,

he wasn't portraying the character the same.

Let's see, I just pulled him up. Talk about something

else for a second. Yes, speaking of IMDB another

thing I was wondering was You know what year

exactly Disney's black hole came out and I looked

it up. It was 1979 I'm just kind of drawing parallels

there between You know the you know the black

hole in the Disney movie and this one and there

really wasn't any Hey, there's a black hole in

this episode, but the concept kind of reminded

me of the black What I thought was strange was

that you know, they started off with a neat concept

You've got a quintessence ceiling people are

kidnapping people and then and then studying

them but then Kind of almost tacked on at the

end as an afterthought. Oh, look, there's a black

hole and We're in a negative zone and no we're

all different colors and oh look we're free.

We're out and we're being saved. Hooray I Mean

like I said an afterthought Oh Wow, this is this

is strange This is very, very strange. Roger

C. Carmel is credited as playing him in every

episode other than Return of Optimus Prime Parts

1 and 2. It's Jack Angel. But Roger C. Carmel

is credited as playing him in the movie, but

he had no voice. So how can you give someone

a voice actor credit that didn't do a single

speaking line? Yeah, that could be it too, but

I'm gonna have to really look at Return of Optimus

because I did not know that that he had changed

it had changed The last according to this the

last episode that he went in as far Carmel as

cyclonus was Thief in the night, which I do not

and that's in the next episode of TFD one. I

don't think that's in this one There could be

somewhere though other down the line. I'm not

really sure Yes, yes, yes Yeah, so I guess It

was it has good points bad points if I was we

don't I don't really have a scale I didn't want

to have to deal with math on this series So I

really didn't do a whole scale, but if I had

to rate a killing jar, I'd probably rate it a

5. A 5 out of what? 5 out of 10. Oh, OK. I was

about to say, no. Yeah, 5 out of 5? No, no, no,

no. 5 out of 10 is fair. It wasn't bad. I mean,

like I said, it would have been nicer to split

this up into maybe two episodes. where one episode

they're being kidnapped and then and then oh

look a black hole and then cliffhanger and then

the next episode could have been fighting to

get off the ship and arguing amongst themselves

and learning a little bit more about the code

of the warrior that the both of them subscribe

to and then negative zone getting back I mean

yeah I mean it would have been a very nice two

episode arc yeah I don't think they were going

for that a lot in season three other than Other

than Five Faces of Darkness, Return of Optimus

Prime, because those are the only two -parters,

or more than a one -parter in the entire season,

is Five Faces of Darkness and the Return of Optimus

Prime are the only... I mean, Starscream's Ghost

and Ghost in the Machine, they kind of... it

kind of is a one - and two -parter, but as far

as like, you know... You know this part and this

part in this part five faces of darkness and

return about to his primary only Part one and

part two type episodes Yeah, I mean even in the

one shots for the most part, you know, they are

all connected but For the most part they're all

connected. They have at least something in them

that is connects them to the other ones but you

know whatever so I think that's it for the killing

jar All right, so up next on the TFG one podcast

we have okay, what was that? Was it you know,

leaky tires or something? It's probably a good

thing too. Anyway, next up we're gonna be talking

about chaos In this episode it starts off with

this a decepticon chasing a scuzzoid uh... and

then we get uh... uh... actually what what happens

there you know crap rewind yeah i think it's

scuzzoid i thought they were just called the

no it's a scuzzoid because in um... scud zoid

i don't know uh... i don't know so anyway chaos

the Chaos, the synopsis, before I forget. Oh

crap. Where we are? Where am I? What am I doing

here? Yes, really. OK, so chaos. Cup, Skylinks,

Grimlock, Wheelie, and Blur investigate the destruction

of an Earth Defense Command Shuttle and discover

it was destroyed by death crystals. Ooh, death

crystals. But death crystals can only be found

in one place in the galaxy. on the skin of a

giant beast called Chaos, who lives within a

mountain on the planet Dread. But this isn't

the first time Cup has faced Chaos, and the Autobot

security officer will have to face the ghosts

of his past in order to solve this case. This

episode, before we get into our notes here, this

episode was very much like a detective story

almost. It was Cup basically not wanting to tell

the others uh... the past and it actually showed

a lot of good backstory for cop you know all

these other episodes that he's been in since

the movie he's always trying to tell war stories

and everything else and you know now we actually

see kind of uh... uh... you know a flashback

from his younger days so that that was kind of

cool yeah i i thought it was nice to use in the

whole time they're asking him well what do you

know about this what do you know about this and

he says i'm not telling you you know i'm he's

literally protecting them from knowledge that

that you know may scare them or perhaps prove

helpful to them yes very much um actually one

of my notes is uh actually they're called death

crystals i i called them chaos crystals i was

like chaos crystals Yeah, I just thought it was

weird. It's like, all right, let me get this

straight We're a bunch of slaves in a mine and

we're picking up dead skin cells from a from

God's giant radioactive This is kind of gross

Radioactive dead skin cells no less. I thought

the death crystals the cast crystals looked a

lot like yes, they did actually Green chunks

that kind of yes. Yes, right. You're absolutely

right If there was a Superman in the Transformers

universe, he would immediately die Yes, probably

In the universe that would kill Superman Yeah

Tells you what a badass cup is Yeah, pretty much

so All right. Let's see. What else do I have?

We kind of briefly mentioned cup wanting to hide

the past for the safety of the others I think

that's kind of noble of him, even though he's

trying to be secretive. At least he's looking

out for their best interests. I think I brought

this up in episode 17, but I'm not really sure.

I know I brought it up in this one because it's

sitting here writing my notes. If the Quints

introduced the Predacons, why the hell are they

under Galvatron now? They're mercenaries. Yeah,

but if you look at the rest of the series, they're

always with Galvatron Well, I I thought that

the Predaking stock footage got a huge workout

in this I mean they transformed like Yeah, and

it looked the exact same thing. It looked the

exact same way both times. Yeah Not that I don't

like watching Predaking transform because it's

kind of cool. I miss Devastator Yeah Predicting

would just be like what's that crap under my

foot? Oh, that's devastating One one awesome

thing I thought and one really laughed at finally

some muck to shut blur up I wouldn't go that

far, but I mean at least shut him up for a while

and that Well, you know they always do this in

the cartoon where it's like before the commercial

break you see blur and he's like I'm gonna die

he goes under under and he's he's gone and then

the commercial breaks and then when they come

back from the commercial break he's not gone

he's actually still flailing you know and if

you listen to him he's he's talking so fast he's

incoherent at this point yes right just before

uh skylinks comes in and saves him and i'm thinking

wouldn't it be a little bit harder for skylinks

to pull him out of there he just kind of sweeps

in but it's skylinks he's superior than everybody

else he can do anything that no one else can

do That's the attitude that dumb bastard has

exactly I Don't think I don't think you should

be able to be predicking I think both of his

asses He takes both of his asses and then shreds

them up in a little piece of tin foil and then

wraps them back up and makes them look like That's

what he looks like Yes, the one thing I never

understood about G1 is Skylinks and trypticon

do not have robot modes I mean you can kind of

argue that trypticon's dinosaur mode is his robot

mode, but It's still not a freaking I mean It's

not it's not like you know car robot. It's or

plane robot or jet robot, but yeah Should probably

be thankful for that because honestly if you

tried to get skylinks in old robot mode it would

end up looking You know like a like a shuttle

sitting straight up with a head on top of it.

Maybe a little arm stick It would look really

really bad. Just make him into a triple make

him into an Autobot replica of astrotrain. He'll

be alright I know that they recently reissued

SkyLynx. Well, not recently. It was last year.

But how cool would it have been if they would

have reissued an Ehabi repaint to make him look

like an AstroTrain? It would have been all right.

An AstroTrain shuttle? Yeah. And then the AstroTrain

shuttle could have transformed into a Lynx and

a bird thing. Whatever the hell he is. I mean,

the colors, I think, would have been awesome.

Anyway. During the battle in order to destroy

the chaos death crystals retgar gets down fairly

I don't understand. I don't even understand where

I was going with that note I have no idea. I

don't even remember Yes, it says During the battle

in order to destroy the death crystals Retgar

gets knocked down fairly easily. I have no idea.

I don't even remember why I made that note He

wasn't I don't know why it's there then He did

they had slaves prisoners and you know the What

I want to call them the extras, you know, anytime

they have extras the extras all kind of look

like junkie ons but I Don't know. Maybe I'm in

Skylinx. Hell. I don't remember now Remember

either So I think we're going to be moving on

to our thoughts because I don't have any other

faces his fear and Destroys chaos and then at

the end Grimlock is the only one interested in

cup stories Cup is redeemed That's kind of neat,

because they say when I was young, I was in a

position where I could have saved everybody,

and I ran like a little girl. Yeah, and he is

redeemed in this episode, but if you look at

the very, very end when they're all back in the

ship heading back to Cybertron, he's like, oh,

well, that reminds me of the time when everybody

else groans except for Grimlock. And Grimlock's

like, no, I want to hear the story. I want to

hear about Jonah Gart and the space ship. Yeah,

whatever the hell that was. Space space whales

have a long tradition in Google space. Well,

no You were in a big fan of what oh Come on first

gave I never actually watched it. I've heard

of it, but I've never actually watched it Could

be worse it could be a Nexus maximus Go Google

that and see what you can Google that and see

what you get Nexus max. Yeah, let's not go there

No, you don't Yes, but you know I didn't actually

but I watched Pia's review of it and he says

whatever you do do not Google it. It's some sort

of adult toy Yes, so anyway, um, I think that's

You know Did you notice in this episode that

chaos actually at the end he said something they

showed him and his mouth was moving and then

Cup basically flipped him the finger and ran

off to lure him away outside of the mountain,

but he did say something, but all that came out

was kind of like Welker -esque noises. And I

thought, I wonder what he said. Maybe like, haha,

Cup, you have returned, and I shall teach you

once again because I am the best. I wasn't sure

what he would have said, but I thought, man,

somebody should have voiced that. So I think

we're going to end chaos Unless we have anything

else to say about it. I don't actually remember

at this point if we've even done a separate thoughts

thing or anything or this I think we kind of

did a little bit of my thoughts Yeah, it was

and like I said before it gave us kind of like

cups Backstory of when he was first an Autobot

warrior Instead of him always saying oh, yeah

when I was this and when I was that not actually

showing us anything Yeah, we get a little backstory

they probably could have Left the supporting

cast behind and and have done just as well with

the story. Oh, yes Maybe Skylinx just to provide

transportation and cup by himself Thanks Nobody

else really provided actually if it was If it

was skylinks cup and Grimlock it would have been

fine if you leave the other two bastards out

it would be fine Besides cup really be there.

You could have been comfortable talking It's

like I remember that one time. Well, nobody else

wants to hear my story So I'll just tell them

to myself in the shuttle that one time at transformers

camp with the flute Okay, and on that note we're

going to go to the next review I'd hope never

to see it again. What's wrong? What is that thing?

A tomb. We built it as a final resting place

for the Autobots we lost in the Great War. Like

Optimus Prime? Do... do we have to go inside?

No. Nothing there can hurt us, Daniel. That's

the veil of remembrance. A memorial to the Autobot

heroes whose chassis and servos rest here. Huffer.

tricks on you Daniel but it was him you believe

me don't you dad come on Daniel there's only

one way to find out you're gonna open his tome

a waste of energy our reserves we'll wait here

the burial chambers on the other side of the

veil The Matrix would have told me. Somehow.

Let's go back. I've got to be sure. Rodimus,

no. It's empty. I told you. The Decepticons.

Beside Mac and Next up is dark awakening. I must

say I'm already gonna give the if I was doing

a grade I would already give this episode of

ten Just because of a few things that you will

notice Coming up that we will be discussing.

Here is the synopsis for dark awakening fleeing

the Fleeing through space from pursuing Decepticons

the Autobots dock at a mausoleum the burial place

of Autobots killed in the Great War. Daniel sees

Optimus Prime alive, but how can this be? And

though Optimus Prime can't remember the recent

past, Rodimus Prime returns the Matrix to its

former bearer, possibly spelling doom for all

Autobots. Going back to the movie DVD, the 20th

anniversary DVD, Flint Dilley had said, and we

had mentioned this in the movie Roundtable, in

his little clip that he was talking about the

death of Optimus Prime, he said that one kid

had actually barricaded himself in his room and

did not come out for a solid wee cry and did

this and did that, and he goes, well, did the

kid know that we're gonna bring Optimus back

as a zombie and then kill him off again? Yes,

yes very much so As I just said the Decepticons

are giving chase of the Autobots It actually

almost flashes back until I rewatched it earlier

today Excuse me until I actually rewatched earlier

today. I thought it was flashing back to the

movie with the The the the chamber of separation

or whatever or the the emergency separation thing

it actually was Well, it kinda was, but it wasn't

because they say that they got into an escape

pod. So technically they left the entire ship.

So my note there was completely wrong, because

they did not... But the ships looked exactly

the same. The attack was the exact same. There

was a scene with the Quintessons where they said,

hey, how's it going? And Galvatron said, screw

you, I'm going to come up. And then on the ship

again, it was, you know... It was the exact same

people were there that there was not and Perceptor

was not Okay, well, we'll say that but but I

mean it was literally they lifted that whole

scene from a movie The big difference was, you

know Galvatron saying I'm going to look for their

bodies. Yes Whereas the first time it was like

ha ha I killed them all. Yes Here he's learned

from his mistake and he says I'm going to check

for their dead bodies, which you wouldn't have

found because Rodimus once again in his infinite

wisdom and leadership abilities has left them

drifting in space waiting to hit something. Remember

when I said Rodimus in space? They're all kind

of floating in space. But at least this time

they're in an escape pod. They were in an escape

pod? Okay, well they're basically drifting along

waiting to hit something. And what was that?

Either we're gonna... No, no, no. Get it right.

We're either going to be saved or splattered.

How many times is this going to happen? I don't

know. And I will bring it up again. He doesn't

do it. It's like... Follow me everybody as we

drift aimlessly through space Trust me. I am

the bear of the matrix as we drift aimlessly

through space Hoping to either be saved or splintered

Yes, I probably should have put these notes afterwards,

but The next two are okay. Here is the episode

where they bring Optimus Prime back as a zombie

Yeah, I thought I was pretty cool too. It's nice

to hear and see optimus voiced by Peter Cullen

again I am so glad that they did not do what

animation people do today sometimes where they'll

get Someone to do the voice for so long and then

they'll get somebody else to rip to to to play

it I hate that I cannot stand that Okay, I'm

saying within the same series Perfect example,

and I don't I don't I don't actually know this.

I know what happened Charlie Adler Actually left

Tiny Toon Adventures and was no longer playing

Buster Bunny for a period of time It was somebody

else and I don't I don't like when cartoon series

do that like say for example say and I know this

is going off topic a little bit but Say Cory

Burton voiced shockwave or a long arm or whatever

the hell you want to call him For the first two

seasons of animated then they brought in somebody

else. I hate when they do that The scene where

Daniel is looking at the other burial chambers

at least confirms some of what we know Meaning

that even though we didn't see it in the movie

at least I didn't Hufford did die Cuz Daniel

goes through and lists off a whole bunch of people,

Huffer, Ironhide, yeah, yeah. But good riddance

to Huffer, he was always so negative anyways.

Bastard. Why did they have to die? Quote of the

episode, Hot Rod is back. Alright, let's party.

That's exactly what I'd expect from me. Hot Ride

is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Cowabunga!

Let's party! It's like, you know what? I'm so

glad that you're not the leader anymore because

you suck. It's like, and then the minute he gets

the Matrix back, what happens? We're floating

through space again. I don't actually remember

this because I think I was fast -forwarding through

this episode. I was looking for something. But

Snarl, woot. I think he does. Don't I don't remember

I don't remember where it is that he does pop

up, but I thought that was pretty cool The team

that was previously Left on the the mausoleum

ship to die when they show up Again, the Autobots

are all like well wait a minute optimus prime

said you were dead and the first ones I see are

snarl and Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay. Yeah,

and they see them again and they say well you're

supposed to be dead and they're like well We're

not dead, you know often said you were dead and

it's like well, we're not Yeah, oh yeah, I think

that's the only time Especially after they skipped

him in the home. Well, no they didn't now he

what he Yes, exactly in the ship and they're

coming down on yeah in the ship when they're

coming down on to junkyard This is I believe

I'm not for certain But this is the only other

episode so far through throughout that throughout

our season 3 coverage here that we've seen another

Dinobot other than Grimlock. I know that when

we get to Grimlock's new brain, Snarl and Slag,

or not Snarl, but Slag, Sludge, and Swoop show

up again, but yeah, I think this is the only

episode that we so far have seen a different

Dinobot other than Grimlock. If you really if

you look at this at the at the new season and

all the new characters Grimlock has taken up

a more giant role I mean now they sent him to

be with Rodimus in five faces of darkness. So

Roda She dances back and forth in his tail anyway

I have to clarify though, my mother -in -law,

my father -in -law, my wife's parents, Prissy's

parents, have a German Shepherd. So when I say

a big, dumb German Shepherd, I'm saying in the

most affectionate of ways. They have a big, dumb

German Shepherd, and he's literally like a big

Grimlock. He's just jumping around saying, hey,

you want to play with the ball? You want to play

with the ball? He's like, yeah, Grimlock, let's

play with the ball. Oh crap, that's funny. Rotimus

versus Optimus is just completely outrageous.

Did you hit the wrong button there? No, I hit

the right one. It started off with a boo. No,

it started off with applause. Did it? It sounded

like boo. No, it's applause. But yeah, I thought

that was super cool seeing the two of them go

at it. And then eventually, actually you see

Optimus coming around because throughout the

battle he is telling Rodimus what to do and how

to get the Matrix back from him because Optimus

knows deep down that the Quintessons did something

to him. I have one other note, but I think we're

going to save it for the very end, just because

it kind of goes on to the end of the episode.

So I think we're going to go into our thoughts.

What did you think? Because this is pretty much

one long fluid episode. What did I think? You

know, I think I like this episode most of all,

just because, again, it's Optimus Prime. It's

Peter Cullen as Prime. And even though they kill

him, I liked it. There were some things I didn't

like about it. Like what? Well, just like in

the movie, there's this flagrant disregard for

the characters from 84, 85. I mean, you've got

this mausoleum and it's full of the deceased,

right? And you would think that they would take

care to preserve... The the you know, at least

the corpses of the dead and no they send it flying

into the Sun Yeah, it's like It's like adding

insult to injury The injury being you killed

them in the first place And the second the insult

being and then you burn up their bodies in the

Sun Well, I wouldn't say it's actually adding

insult to injury because the way I look at it

is they're now cremated You can't try to use

dead Autobots against us anymore, you evil Decepticons,

because they are now cremated. Yeah, I didn't

really see it that way. I kind of saw it as mean

-spirited. It's like, yeah, I know you loved

them, and they died, and that's terrible, but

we're sending them into the sun. Wasn't there

I I forget didn't Rodimus say something about

why they were doing that Didn't he say something

about that it could never be found because? What

happened was that they they ran into this basically

on accident again Rodimus Oh my team, and I are

just floating through space not really knowing

what we're gonna run into and Holy cow we landed

on this long -lost mausoleum ship that we thought

was going to be gone forever. We didn't bother

to track it to see where it was going. We just

let it fly free and somehow or another we flew

into it on accident. So now they're there and

they find Prime and Prime then leaves them there

and the ship is then sending into the sun. So

I get the impression that Prime actually set

them on a collision course with the sun. That's

right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I do remember that now.

And then Prime shows up. back on Cybertron and

says, I'm back and it's a real shame that Rodimus

had to die to save me. Which I thought was cool.

It was very unlike Prime, when Prime has the

control of the Armada, which interestingly enough

was a fleet of broadsides. They love that broadside

plane mold, so it's a fleet of white broadsides,

but he's got control of the Armada. And he's

literally making, I don't want to say bad decisions,

but decisions that are not prime decisions. Yes.

Prime would be conserve life, protect the fleet,

do what you can to try to get the enemy pushed

back as far as you can, but without throwing

your own men in the way of blaster fire. And

that's literally what he does here. He says,

you know, everyone full speed ahead. Just take

them all out and he's sending them all purposefully

into a trap Yeah, whether he knows it or not,

but you know, it was it was a quintesson design

trap that he was part of Yeah, but I don't think

it could be argued that first of all prime has

been dead for let's say a year because supposedly

Season three is supposed to be taking place one

year after the movie With Prime being dead and

then the Quintessons fooling around with him

to get him to come back to life and putting some

sort of implants in him to actually have him

be a sentient being robot, you could argue that

the Quintessons were controlling him, which they

were, and he really had no choice. But like I

said, with the battle between the two of them,

his nature was breaking out. um... at the end

there so at least it was uh... at least it was

pretty good uh... actually i do have to kind

of correct you on a continuity error uh... he

did not die he did not his ship even though it's

shown going into the sun it did not uh... and

so it's like a him smashed all beyond belief

and even the quintessence are saying there's

no way an autobot can survive that i know but

The reason why I bring this up is my last point

that I have written down. Why in the end of this

episode? This is why I think Dark Awakening is

out of order as far as the order of the episodes.

Why at the end of this does Victor Karolyi say

But is this the final time we've seen Optimus

Prime? No. Find out tomorrow in the return of

Optimus Prime. When clearly that that two -parter

is at the end of season three. So why did they

do an advertisement at the end of this episode

advertising the return of Optimus Prime when

it doesn't happen for another one, two, three,

four, you know, six or seven episodes? I don't

know. Maybe they meant to and it just got lost

in the shuffle. Maybe they did, but that's what

I was going to talk about as far as the continuity

error, because it shows his ship going off, but

in the return part one of Optimus Prime, it shows

Jessica and Gregory stopping, you know, they

find his ship and they take his body out of the

ship. But technically Dark Awakening and the

return of Optimus Prime should have been back

to back on the DVD set. Yeah, I don't know yeah,

I It was still uh, you know emotional moment

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah second time he's died. I'm

not saying it's not an emotional moment. I'm

saying it's illogical emotional moment Here's

a question, you know knowing full well that you

cried like a little girl when Prime died in the

movie shut the hell up you bastard No because

of that advertisement Because of that advertisement

because it wasn't the movie it was the TV show

it wasn't like this epic battle between him and

Megatron and somebody else Yeah, but that's different

The battle between him and hot rod was every

every bit as epic as the battle between him and

Megatron in the movie. Oh Okay, I'm gonna say

it again the TFG1 podcast is not responsible

for anything that Michael Wilson says on this

part Because that's gonna get a lot that's gonna

get a lot of fan mail If you go back and watch

it, it's a knock -down, drag -out fight. They

fight for like five minutes straight. I'm not

saying that it isn't. I would not put it up there

with the Optimus Megatron battle, though. Well,

granted, it wasn't in the movie. It wasn't animated

as well. There wasn't the two -handed fist never,

you know. But it was very close. Yeah, I guess.

You know, if they would have had Hot Rod... Smacking

optimus prime with it with the two -handed fist

then I would have been like it was a big fight.

Yeah, I will agree it was it was very cool and

very awesome to see it. I don't think it was

as epic as the movie fight, but it was still

very cool. Yes, there is comparisons, but there's

also contrasts. It didn't last as long and stuff

like that. But I mean, plus you've got, you know,

two, you know, supposed friends or allies going

against each other, which actually the you know

that actually comes back again in uh... the i

can see now why the hate i can see exactly in

in our in the return of office from again i can

see why this episode could be viewed as out of

order because they have this going on and they

go into return and they have the hate plague

and this and the other thing in white optimism

is read rodimus and I wonder if where they got

the White Optimus toy from is if they got that

from the show or vice versa. Oh, the White Optimus

came long before the show. Oh, did it? Yeah.

Well, the White Optimus was the front half of

the Ultra Magnus toy. Yeah. And that came long

before the cartoon, this particular episode of

the cartoon. That particular episode of the cartoon.

Yes. Well, but yeah, I would I would say that

In closing, yes That at the end, you know Rodimus

says, you know, I may never be the leader that

prime was Yeah, and to that I say no Rodimus.

You'll never be the leader Even as a zombie prime

was a better leader If you wonder why just look

back at this episode where he's actually led

his team into Spacewalk literally twice We're

drifting through space Hopefully we'll land where

we think we should be if we're lucky that's funny

But that is just too funny and in in accordance

with that. I will show you this Granted, he's

a young leader. Maybe nine million years from

now, Optimus Prime would be as good a leader

as Optimus. But a year later, no. He doesn't

measure up. Yeah, no. So anyway, yeah, this has

kind of gone into... Boy, I hope this episode

comes out okay, because damn, it's gone into

such a rat hole. Alright. Alright so moving on

we will get to surprise party when we come back

Alright, up next is surprise party. Let's see,

booklet before I forget again. And I probably

will mention that almost every time because I...

Yes, I always end up forgetting see so witnessing

alter Magnus's bravery and selflessness during

battle Daniel and Willie decide to look up the

commander's birthday and throw him a surprise

party Their search brings them to a drifting

Autobot storage asteroid But trouble follows

in the form of cyclonus scourge and the sweeps

cyclonus captures the two youths and Yes, the

two youths and sets the story of Jasteroid on

a collision course with Cybertron. Um... This

episode... I don't think so. No, this episode

gets a giant, giant... Yeah, this episode was

just completely out there. I don't even know

where to begin. You know what this episode had

that no other episode has? No, what? Oh god.

Space herpes. Don't even send me that link again,

I don't even want to see that. Oh shit. Ice Pirates,

it's a classic. But we'll get into that later,

I just wanted to throw that out there. So anyways

Let's see this episode starts off where Daniel

is wondering where everyone is and then they

all jump out and surprise him with a birthday

party Daniel and wheelie want to find out when

Magnus was born so they fly to the Autobot storage

asteroid actually It should be noted that they

stole a garbage ship to fly to this thing Yeah,

exactly Yes, it was I was watching that and I'm

thinking did spaceballs steal the garbage cow

because it looks a lot like Again Autobots have

stuff drifting through space Well destroy well

the Decepticons destroyed at this time The Decepticons

follow the garbage ship that Wheely and Daniel

steal and it leads them to the Autobots record

asteroid. If the Autobots have full control of

Cybertron, how the hell? Oh no wait, didn't they

take a ship to some other place? They took the

ship, they didn't know where they were going,

they ran into a asteroid. No, that's not what

I'm talking about. They got damaged and they

accidentally landed on the first planetoid that

looked like it was landable. And that just happened

to be the asteroid. No, that's not what I'm talking

about. I'm talking about the scene where Cyclonus

says that that garbage scow isn't on its normal

route. How the hell, if Daniel and Wheely are

not... on Cybertron or if they are on Cybertron,

how the hell does Cyclonus know the garbage scow

schedules and routes? That's what I'm trying

to point out because I thought they took another

ship to get to wherever the garbage scow is,

but I don't think they did. I don't know. I think

what basically what happens is the Decepticons

blow up the shuttles and it's like wait a minute

This is the only shuttle in the whole planet.

Well, of course it is So they blow up the shuttles

knowing full well that they can't leave the planet

now And next thing, you know, you've got this

garbage truck Leaving orbit and they're like,

well, wait a minute garbage truck be leaving

orbit That makes no sense. The garbage truck

should be going over here to pick up garbage

and then said it's Trucking off to wherever wherever

they want. So they're thinking this is spike

Trying to leave to get to the conference that

they're trying to Right so and again my problem

was that the garbage truck You know gets busted

up and crash lands conveniently right where they

want to be Yes, there's a lot of conveniences

the plot yeah so it's like at first you're stranded

on a planet covered in monsters and and then

you're you just happen to find out that hey by

the way you got you got lucky you're in right

right where you want to be yeah I mean it's very

convenient for the plot Yes, yes, yes, yes. So

let's see. Just as Daniel and Willie are going

to get it... Oh, okay, no wait, back up. So the

Decepticons follow them. Willie and Daniel steal

it and it leads them to the Autobot record asteroid.

When they eventually get in there, just as they're

going to get it from the asteroid's defense system,

the Decepticons show up. We get another Cyclonus

Magnus battle. This one I don't... Is it yeah,

um, yeah, I thought it was pretty good Magnus's

missiles are make perfect targets. It's like

I'm gonna fire a missile at you It's gonna take

five minutes to get there. And if you shoot it

just right it'll blow up in midair. So aim for

it, you know Yeah, I'm not really sure I don't

know how it hell at first I didn't think his

missiles ever shot before because it's it's it

had been such a long time since I've since I've

seen since I had seen these and His missiles

did not shoot a movie. So Well, this goes back

to the killing jar when he first gets caught

or he first gets trapped he tries Oh, right.

Yeah At the at the wall, it's just kind of bounced

off And he picks it up and goes, ooh, sure. It

didn't do much good. But at least twice now,

past that, he's tried to fire a missile and had

it shot out of the sky. I think earlier in this

episode, the Combaticons are attacking, and he

comes out and shoots a missile. And then they

shoot the missile launch. Oh, yeah. And I'm not

saying before killing John. I'm saying the five

faces of darkness in the movie. He never used

his missiles, I don't think. Yeah. Oh, no, no.

Yep, or until killing Jar, but yeah Let's see.

What else do I have for this one? We get an okay,

so and the last one I have Sorry, it's just I

don't know what I did these notes three months

ago, and I didn't feel like taking anymore tonight,

so The animation of loves are few far between

from what I've seen. Oh shit wheelie is rubbing

off on me Oh yeah, oh yeah. Animation floats

are few and far between from what I've seen.

Yeah, oh shit, Wheelie's rubbing off on me. That's

not good. Well, you had to go back and... Oh

yes, it does rhyme, doesn't it? Very much so.

Send you a pic or something of the eyes. I know

what the flying when a bagel looks like I have

spaceballs It's on the other room. We'll be doing

it on M wire eventually Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's

a good show. Yeah, no I haven't seen it yet,

but I think it would be cool to see The only

problem with that is Mr. Candy has departed from

our world Well, it should be damn it voice of

course Well, you know, I mean they still have

Starscream but Chris lot is not doing the voice

Anyway, oh my head that hurt holy shit that hurts

Shut up So, what other thoughts do you have?

Because that's pretty much all I have. I have

plenty of thoughts. First of all, going way back

in the beginning, you have the Combaticons attacking.

And for once they don't merge into Bruticus,

they actually run away. But while they're attacking,

Swindle looks a lot like Hound. In fact, I thought

it was Hound. I had to go back and watch it again.

I can see why they would get confused. He was

green and he had him he had the machine gun mounted

on the back of the tray He didn't actually combine

into robot mode until they flied At the end and

then when he when he did combine not combine.

I'm sorry when he did transform In the robot

mode. He he was the regular spindle colors, but

by then they were you know, hauling ass into

the back of Or no, no, it wasn't a blast off.

They tend to use blast off a lot more in season

three than astro train All right, all right,

so they all jump in a blast on this like who's

a hell out of here, you know when they could

easily combined and You know, so it's like yeah,

they were they were doing the gorilla tactics.

They're just everybody off guard. Yep Yeah, I

thought that was that was interesting an interesting

flub in the animation Another thing that kind

of freaked me out was the fact that that number

one that they needed a yeah, that's the other

thing That is Yeah, I mean you got a hall of

records. It's nine million years old And it well

I should say it survived a nine thousand nine

million year war first of all which to me is

shocking because the first thing you do is spoil

books, right? Destroy all their records and more.

And yeah, when I say books, I mean literally

it's books. There's like a huge stack of books

that they walk into and knock over. And I'm thinking

that would be kind of strange that they would

have paper -bound volumes in a library on a planet

made of electronics, robots, you know, that type

of thing. I thought it was funny. Yes, very much

so. What did you think of, uh... Well, let's

just say it, the space service. You know, Wheatley

and Daniel get to this planet and immediately

they're... Well, it kind of at first reminded

me of Pitch Black. You know, they get to this

planetoid and there's holes in the ground and

those come monsters I'll try to eat them. But

yeah, that was my first thought but but I mean

literally they're they're They're little worms

that fly through the air and and latch onto you

and try to eat you And I was thinking yes They're

being attacked by space herpes You know and Ultra

Magnus, of course It's left. Yeah, he blows up

what's left of the garbage scow But anyway, yeah

Magnus gets in there he says aha, I'm gonna go

inside and save Willie and Daniel and keep this

thing from from slamming into a Cybertron and

Cyclonus immediately hands him his ass, which

is cool that they had like their epic battle

finally You know going back to killing jar where

they're like, you know next time we meet that's

it. I'm you know, we're enemies again and Yeah,

I gotta say even though these are pretty much

one -shot episodes which majority of them feature

Daniel and stupid Autobot of the week Grimlock

wheelie blur you you can insert anybody uh...

stupid out of out of the week uh... i gotta say

the even though they are majority of them are

one shots they do do some sort of overall continuity

between episodes and i thought that was really

cool yeah it was nice so i mean they get together

cyclonus immediately hands him his ass cyclonus

is your ass Long, long ago, the red wizard fell

from the sky. through a strange red circle. That's

how we got here. Of course, he was not really

a wizard then, merely a dabbler. He was taught

his craft by the former ruler of Mononia, the

Golden One. Indeed, he was the Master's favorite

pupil, always impressing the Golden One with

some remarkable new skill. But... One terrible

day, tragedy struck. The Golden One vanished

mysteriously. There was only one thing the Red

Wizard could do. Rule Menonia in the Golden One's

place. The Wizard brought centuries of prosperity

and peace to our land, yet some were jealous

of his power. And so the attacks began. Malcontents

of all Anonious races joined forces to seize

the throne for themselves. You, Mighty Grimlock,

could help the Red Wizard to preserve the kingdom

and protect his people. Mighty Grimlock stomped

bad guys, no problem. Good. Young Daniel seems

to be sleeping. Servants, take him away. to a

place where he can rest comfortably. All right,

so up next we have Madman's Paradise and this

time I actually have the book in my hand. On

Cybertron, Daniel is bored and walks away from

a peace summit officiated by the Autobots. Along

with Grimlock, the youth finds his axes, finds

an ancient chamber. once used by the Kwanisans

to banish criminals to a far away, to far away

dimensions. Grimlock accidentally activates the

chamber and the two find themselves transported

to a world called, what is that, Melonia, I don't

know, where two wizards have been engaged in

a power struggle for millennia. Basically this

is Daniel and stupid out of the week again Grimlock

stumbles over and lets them both get trapped

in this chamber and they get transported to another

world Is this the episode where Grimlock ends

up wearing the apron? Oh God yes. Yeah, I remember

that now. Yeah Yeah, you know Grimlock in an

apron in the bowtie, this is the Transformers

Equipment's R2 -22 Observatory The first note

I have is even though we already know this Carly

is quote -unquote officially called spikes wife

in this episode Because in the beginning when

they're making the introductions and little alien

woman kind of pisses Daniel off They introduce

spike introduces himself as himself and his wife

Carly and their son Daniel uh... i think this

is the only time that it's actually said that

they are married even though we see them you

know in other episodes that they are like in

like in five faces of darkness once by get kidnapped

it's convenient that he's not wearing his wedding

ring at all Okay, then. Well, you know, he's

got the tux on. He's like, I'm looking sharp

like Sean Connery over here. Let's not go there.

All right. My name is Spike. Knock it off. So

these last two episodes have, as I said before,

have been Daniel and random dumb transformer

go on an adventure. I understand that it is supposed

to be for kids and it's supposed to just be kid

-friendly and stuff, but it's just ridiculous.

There's no real good storyline because they end

up getting tricked and everything else. I don't

think I've mentioned, even though I said I was

going to, but the Rodimus Prime color scheme

is back to the way he looked in the movie. This

episode I don't think I was supposed to mention

it in the other ones, but I haven't because my

not Oh, it's very noticeable because if you take

if you take the and God I can't believe I'm gonna

say this not that I'm looking at it Robot crotches

or anything, but the the big shut up the biggest

the biggest shut up The biggest color difference

I can tell is in his waist where it shows the

white stuff in dark No, but I know I'm just saying

that the colors, they vary. From episode to episode.

Yeah, I'm just saying I didn't notice. I don't

either, but shut up. Roger. No, actually we're

not. It's staying in. This is an explicit podcast.

Who gives a rat's ass? I just deny it because

it's not true But I was trying to point out the

fact of where on Where on the robot that I noticed

the color the major color difference and that

is where that that Underneath it where his where

his hood is and his chest is and obviously his

arms and stuff His headlights actually differ

too as well. But anyway, Brimlock hits something

with his tail and he and Daniel get sucked through

the floor. The Autobots on Cybertron and Spike

and Carly realize that Daniel is missing. A visiting

dignitary says that she saw him go off with a

Dinobot. Rodimus sends Magnus, Blaster, and the

cassettes after them. I got to say I don't think

I put it I don't think it's in my notes, but

I do have to add in we see rewind and steel jaw

well, I'm still John is isn't is in the some

of the lower notes, but uh... but uh... yeah

ram horn but as the first time we've seen rewind

really and he is supposedly the new auto bot

scientist and and and his story and that knows

everything about anything in can decipher anything

basically taking preceptors place almost but

the first time we see this is the movie did we

see oh yeah okay Okay, yeah, I know I remember

now and it's it's been a while so yeah Yes, yes,

so after that they are dumped into this foreign

universe or world or alternate dimension Grimlocked

is duping into hate into helping the bad wizard.

The battle erupts, Daniel learns the truth that

the golden one is good and the red one is evil.

The red wizard is actually a banished Quintesson

who had world domination plans basically. Yeah,

usual plot, usual plot. Let's see... uh... the

at uh... well yeah i have very few notes in this

the episode uh... yeah we can but uh... yes this

is very short and very few and far between kids

the last two notes that i have is the episode

ends with the autobots and daniel going back

above the dimension uh... the one thing i did

notice the d on daniel's left side of his clothing

kept going away and then being there and then

going away again It was like, in different scenes

it kept fading in and out. Yes, very annoying.

That would be annoying. Yeah, that would be almost

as bad as some of his crotch. Shut the hell up!

I think that would bother me. That's not the

point! The point isn't that his crotch changes

colors, that his whole frickin' body changes

colors! I'm just saying I didn't notice the D

either. But I think that this episode had enough

things screwy with it that we can forgive it

some color issues. I mean, there was a lot of,

how should I put it, extras in this episode that

was just, you know, well, I mean, it was kind

of like watching... What was the the the lion

the witch in the wardrobe movie where you have

the so -called epic battle of all the different

I know which in the wardrobe you've got articles

of Narnia Yeah, yeah the Narnia movie. Yeah,

all right, you know, you've got all these monsters

that are that are fighting and It's like well,

you know I think they kind of tried to get something

along those lines where you've got like a cutscene

of oh look There's an army battling the red wizard

and they're having their ass handed to them but

at the same time it's like wow there's there's

an awful lot of fighters and you know they're

like barbarian hordes running running up up to

the side of the castle and being pushed back

but but i mean there's there's lots of monsters

and and uh you know there's lots of stuff yes

for a second there i thought you said barbarian

whores that's that's right Armored horrors Yeah,

I I think this was a nice episode It kind of

reminded me a bit of Yeah, whatever, you know

essentially everybody goes back in time and then

they do a little and then they all go home Yeah,

and this was literally a dungeon. There was a

dragon involved the The gold wizard what they

call the gold wizard Old wizard. He's uh, you

know, he says check me out man. I got a chalice

on my head The chalice gives me power and then

when I do have to say now that I'm thinking about

it The best part was that they used blaster as

a karaoke machine to to spit out the spells the

counter spells Yeah, I think yeah, I think there

was a huge shout out to the I don't want to say

the Muslim community, but All of the quintessence

had yeah names. Yes or middle sounding names

And I'm wondering is like all are all quintessence

named that way because up till now? Quintessence

have just been you know kind of nameless Duplicates

of each other They all kind of look the same,

sound the same, but we don't really know their

names. Well, going back, and I just actually

now remember this because I was looking for a

couple of things that we had mentioned in episode

17. So I'd actually gone back and fast forwarded

through all five parts of Five Faces of Darkness.

And I found out where Bluey Juice came from.

It's when Spike captures the quintesson that

was released with them. that was guarding them

when they start making a run for it and he goes

all right Quintessence you better let us go your

buddy here is gonna be bluey juice and The other

Quintessence go. Well, we have sentenced judge

deliberated to death. So they started And then

site goes tell me your name isn't deliberata.

And so I mean they didn't start naming So they

did start naming them. I don't think a majority

of them have names. You're right, but Um, they

did name it. Yes. Bluey juice. I need to get

that clip. I need to get that clip. That would

be so cool. Just use bluey juice all the time.

Yes, exactly. You can play that later. Okay,

there are some equivalences that I had to pull

out here. The first is hieroglyphics plus spaceportals

equals stargate. Start exactly that's where stargate

got the idea from Yeah, I mean yeah, it's a higher

literally hieroglyphics and you press the buttons

in a sequence right and you go into the space

portal The other one that I noticed was a anything

with a tentacle equals quinazan The minute they

showed the the red wizard raises arm his tentacle.

I was like, oh, it's a quinazan You know, you

know it and it was you know, it was a good call

on my part Even that even when I was like 12

years old. I saw this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah the

Quintessons pretty much ruined I was gonna say

run not ruined run the entire third season the

most part of the storylines Yeah, I mean they

were the new bad guy I mean Galvatron wasn't

really fit to lead so we didn't have like in

season one and season two we didn't have yes

every episode Megatron try another tactic try

another tactic try another tactic they always

failed but he kept trying whereas with Galvatron

it's like I'm not really interested in trying

tactics exactly just gonna blow shit up and basically

yeah whatever the quintessence pointed him at

he's like that's what I'm gonna go blow up today

and uh wooden transformers yeah uh all of the

guards let's say you know they like the whenever

the quinison or the red wizard uh wanted to imprison

somebody or you know his henchmen were well there's

two different types of henchmen the first ones

were the the the wooden transformer they were

literally robots made out of wood Yeah, that

was interesting because we hadn't seen that before

And I was like, that's good. I wonder if they

transformed. I Don't think they did. They're

probably you know, action masters. I wouldn't

action master transformers, which is an idea

there Kitbatchers out there, but I thought that

was neat though wouldn't transform us The other

the other henchmen's were kind of like yes They

were alternate because if you seen them from

behind they would look like wooden transformers

before that's strange Probably is No, I'm just

saying yeah, yeah, you're probably right cuz

like I said before I think all of these episodes

I have very limited notes in this episode today

The only other notes I had pertained to the end.

Not the end, but the flashbacks. And, you know,

the episode's over and they said, you know, we

got a few minutes here because we didn't write

this one very well. Maybe we'll throw a flashback

scene in there. And they start off with, you

know, oh, first we have Megatron and Optimus

Prime and they came from Cybertron and they landed

on Earth and they fought and fought and fought.

And my only thoughts are, you know, hey, Look

what you're missing. This is how good - Okay,

you're talking about the the history tapes Well,

that well that isn't part of the episode. I mean

that Yeah, well, let's just say the episode is

done. It's over with ready and because the episode

was written I don't want to say poorly, but yeah,

it wasn't a very good episode They have like

five minutes to kill at the end. So what else

are we gonna do? Well, let's have let's have

a review of the last three years of transformer

lore And literally, you start off with, hey,

look how cool we had it. Look how awesome this

was before we ruined it with the movie. Before

we killed Optimus Prime and replaced Megatron

with Galvatron. This is the cartoon equivalent

of, you know... You know being married and and

having your wife take your manhood from you and

put it in a jar on a pink flowery shelf And you

stare longingly at it saying I remember when

I had my manhood and it was awesome And now I

don't and I can only stare longingly at it Yeah.

But, uh... Yeah. It's like, honey, can I have

the manhood? I'm gonna go out with the boys.

No, no, the manhood stays tonight. In the jar.

That's funny. There's your manhood now. Oh, I

think Rodimus has it. Well, good. Rodimus is

floating aimlessly through space again. And he

won't be seen. Okay, and on that note, we are

going to end this episode of the DFG One podcast.

I'm Stan Bush and I dare you to listen to All

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