Transformers: The Movie Roundtable and Interview with Stan Bush

Welcome to the epic 16th episode of the TFG1

podcast now normally 16 episodes It's good number,

but it's not epic like, you know, obviously 15

episodes is an epic number 20 is an epic number

uh... but within this episode you will hear several

clips with me and my other transformers uh...

fan friends uh... as well as an interview with

stan bush the master behind the music of transformers

the movie this is the transformers the movie

nineteen eighty six roundtable please enjoy Hello

and welcome to the 16th episode of the TFG1 podcast,

recorded on May 8th, 2009. Oh crap, I'll do that

later. Anyway, shit. Oh crap, that sucks. It's

the future! Yes, really. I am your host Michael

Blanchard and today I am joined by my friends

in some time. Sometimes co -host Steve slash

Megatron of PredaconEmpire .com and Mike the

Birdman Dodd from ThisWeekendGeek .net. Hi guys,

what's going on? I hate my life. Fucking Twilight,

I'm sorry. I just had to endure that shitstorm

again, but it's okay. I do it for you, the fans.

And today, um, we are recording a roundtable

episode for the TFG1 podcast, uh, discussing

the 1996 animated movie. This movie should have

won fucking Oscar. Yeah. Yeah, just like the

Dark Knight show. Best beside the points. Communism.

Fucking communism. Oh, yep. Um, well, I guess

I'll start off with the questions that I have.

When was the first time either one of you saw

the movie? Steve, do you want to go first by

the ear? Sure. The first time I saw the movie,

I believe I rented it from like a video store,

got it on VHS and everything. I was probably

like seven or eight when I first seen it. Yeah,

it was a couple years after it was in theaters

that... that I saw it as well, and through the

same process that I had seen it through by renting

it. And... Yes! Okay. The first time I saw it,

I was actually with my best friend at the time,

Quincy, and I think his parents rented it for

us, and I'll never quite forget when I saw Prowl

die, and that's... I know, I think it was 1988

when I saw this, maybe? But yeah, it was like,

holy crap. The eyes they burn pissed off when

he died Second question be honest. Did you cry

when optimus prime died? I was more pissed off

than I was anything I'm like you can't fucking

kill optimus prime you douchebags. I was angry

I was more I was more upset when prowl and ironhide

died What about you Steve? I didn't cry when

prime died. I was just mad that they replaced

him I I was you know like Mike said I was pretty

pissed when they killed off all the guys on the

shuttle even though I don't see how two of them

died when They got shot in the fucking arm I

mean iron hides obviously dead he got his head

blown off, but Yeah, the ratchet was down with

a bitch. Yes That that shot of Megatron just

standing there and then the gun blasting I actually

haven't I found an image of it. It's on the Predacon

Empire comm forums under My g1 screenshots and

that image is just god -awful Okay, let's see

if you could only pick one character that you

liked out of the movie who would it be and why

One care really no Okay, Spader. That's right.

Even on the podcast, I take shots at Spader.

I'm trying to think. I guess one character, if

I had to pick any, I really was a huge fan of

Blur. Okay, Steve? I'd have to say, other than

Optimus and Megatron, obviously, I'd have to

choose probably... Probably hot rod just because

he ended up turning into the next prime and He

was one of the original third not one of the

originals, but he was one that became a somewhat

favorite Yeah, yeah, I would have to agree with

their After 25 years, do you think the movie

and the G1 series in general holds up? I think

on some level, simply because it was a landmark

in animation. The fact that this was a toy line

that actually had a somewhat half -decent storyline

behind it. It wasn't P -Man and all this other

crap. And I think the reason it stands up today

is the fact that it actually does have on -screen

character desks of animated characters. I mean...

That was pretty brutal when, like, Ironhide got

his head blown clean off his shoulders by Megatron.

That's an image that is iconic of the 1980s.

And that's why it's important even still to this

very day. But at the same time, when you still

look at all the animation flubs and all the stuff

that was cut out of the movie, I'm not quite

so sure. Yeah. What about you, Steve? Um, I'd

have to say that... holds up in some regards,

it still in my opinion looks a hell of a lot

better than Animated or any of the Unicron Trilogy

bullshit that we got recently. Let's not even

go there, that's another podcast altogether,

that's another episode altogether. Anyhow, I

would have to say that it's still good other

than the fact that you see specific flubs in

the animation you see like characters eyes pop

out when they freaking get hit by Devastator

and oh that's just funny yeah Sludge's Looney

Tunes moment yeah um actually the um when i was

listening to the um the death of optimus pr -

or not listening i was watching the death of

optimus prime special feature the Nelson Shin

has actually said that scene where he's on the

table and everybody's around him. He wanted to

show that it's almost like a human dying. That's

why he turns black or gray or whatever color

he turns. He wanted it to be more emotional than

just, oh, some robot just got shot. Let's see,

what was your favorite scene in the movie? The

Decepticon attack on the shuttle, for sure. Oh

yeah, just the fact it was so brutal. That and

that music that kicks up during that scene could

not have been picked any better. It's so 80s

hair metal with like DISTRUCTION and all this

other crap. It's amazing. Yeah, Instruments of

Destruction by NRG. And we'll talk about the

soundtrack a little bit later on. What about

you Steve? My favorite scene would have to be

where they're in the Decepticon shuttle astro

train. The infighting yes, and then Starscream

sends Megatron floating happily See if Starscream

had been smart he just would have blown his fucking

head off Because Starscream isn't that smart

that would have established dominance among the

other Decepticons who I threw him out an airlock

look at me But if he blew his head right off

in front of all the all of the other people he

would have been like yeah I'm serious. I will

kill you and that would have established him

Yeah, but Starscream never was one to take action.

He was always you know like basically Yeah, he

he was a gloater, and he was basically you know

all talking like I said My favorite scene, it's

kind of hard to pick. I think I'm going to pick

the Unicron battle at the very end where the

Dinobots are flying up in space and go up behind

Unicron and Grimlock says, me Grimlock kick butt.

And then it cuts into the inside where Galvatron

and Hot Rod are fighting and then the whole transformation

scene at the end. Let's see, next question. Life

altering choice to be good or evil? Would you

choose Optimus Prime for good or Unicron for

evil? Could you repeat that question again, Mike?

Life -altering choice to be good or evil, would

you pick Optimus Prime for good or Unicron for

evil? Well, Prime, because he's like badass,

man. Pretty much, I think, one of the greatest

fictional leaders of all time, actually. So yeah,

I'm going with Prime. What about you Steve? I'd

have to say Prime as well. Yeah, I would too.

The only reason why I even came up with that

question was I was trying to balance out the

good and evil in the movie and seeing as how

Unicron is the most evil thing in the entire

movie. That's what I was going for was all good

or all evil. Just a couple of things that I had

written down for... Today last night. I've averaged

out spikes age. He is a roughly between 36 and

38 years old in this movie Okay, well if you

look at the g1 series before the movie if you

look at season 1 and season 2 He's roughly that

they don't round about say his age, but there

was an episode where the police stop him when

he when he's in bumblebee and bumblebee's driving

and says where's your license son because you're

too old or you're too young so you think 15 16

maybe 14 15 16 and if you go in their timeline

from 1984 to 2005 if he's 15 or 16 in 1984 it's

a whole math thing but I figured it out it averages

to about 36 or 37 years old is how old he is

in the movie and of course that would kind of

coincide with him having a kid and all that stuff

So, um, as far as the timeline in the actual

cartoon and in the movie, what the fuck have

they been doing for the last 26 years from 1984

to 2005? Just hanging out. I mean, I mean, yes,

I know there's the Scramble City thing that kind

of introduced some of the new characters, but

that's all it really did. It had no background

before we met them in the film. as far as the

new characters go. You see, Mike, you'll eventually

find out in the VH1 special behind the music

Autobot edition, so just wait. Yeah, that's gonna

happen. And really, throughout the entire series

before the movie, the Decepticons had control

of Cybertron before the events of the movie.

Maybe not full control, but a majority of it.

Because throughout the entire series, I mean,

it's pretty much shockwave on Cybertron and that's

pretty much it As far as the prime Megatron battle

did optimus uppercut Megatron when Megatron's

flying up in the air and coming down on him it

looked like it He basically pulled a friggin

dragon punch from like Street Fighter. He's Shaw

Rukind him Doesn't it look like to me Megatron

begging for mercy is just stupid. We all know

he'll try to make a play to win Yeah, that was

that was pretty dumb, but I mean The gun is like

less than five feet away from his hand and hot

rod jumps in and of course jumps in the way and

of course prime being the you know altruistic

leader that he is is not gonna shoot his enemy

when his when a fellow Autobot is in the In the

way, he should have pulled a speed shoot the

hostage Yes, but yes, but speed wasn't out in

1986 so no one knew what that was at the scene

this inspired that moment Let's see as far as

the music goes I mean, I just got one little

thing here and then it's gonna go back to the

actual movie stuff Dan Bush is God Well, that's

beside the point. I truly believe the two outgoing

themes as far as the movie, Dare is Hot Rod's

theme, and then obviously The Touch is Optimus'

theme. Yeah, I would agree to that. Yeah. And

then Kick -Ass. Yeah. I've watched the Autobot

Decepticon battle scene so many times. I haven't

actually counted them all, but I've counted about

20 plus Decepticons versus what, 10 Autobots

and a little human boy. Yeah, like that's gonna

work. See, I was very surprised during that battle.

We didn't see Huffer die, which I know he's supposedly

dead in the episode. Kind of like Wheeljack.

Yeah. What a pussy way for Wheeljack to go out,

too. I was gonna say, we did see Wheeljack. It

was him and Windcharger that R .C. was dragging.

See, I was surprised how really tore up they

were. I mean, Windcharger had, like, these huge

gaping wounds in his chest, and just, like...

Like, that was brutal, too, when I saw this movie.

Like, the character death... And I know they

had stuff that was, like, scripted. for, like,

they were gonna kill Smokescreen, Red Alert,

and Trailbreaker. Yeah, there was a whole bunch

of more violent stuff in the original script,

but they had to cut it down, or else they would've

gotten a higher rating than PG. And we'll talk

about the rating in a little bit. Let's see...

Is it just me, or does Devastator look more menacing

in this than the actual cartoon? Yeah, he's definitely

more friggin' scary. I mean, you know, I just

took an image last night and it's on the it's

on the Predacon Empire forums now of Where he's

ripping the base open and then you see Megatron

with the gun And then of course prime comes in

with the shuttle and it just looks like he is

just super scary Let's see, the scene where Megatron,

now this might be very controversial, I don't

know. The scene where Megatron is deathly injured

and Soundwave doesn't have and doesn't leave

him. Was that gay looking to anybody else besides

me? I kinda liked how it showed Soundwave's loyalty

to Megatron, like we're not leaving him. Right,

although when they had frenzy run by with Megatron's

arm cannon that was a little stupid And then

the oh you you know the only appearance of ravage

in this movie, do you know what it is? When he's

fighting that stupid steel jaw, I think his name

is during the nope ravage was oh okay there's

two then okay see I didn't think that that's

right there's two I thought there's only one

the other one was the one that I noticed that

I forgot all about the the cassettes versus cassettes

thing which was kind of really cool even though

it was in the background when they're doing the

Decepticon infighting is when I noticed that

he comes out again but that's pretty much the

only two times he's been in the entire movie

The reformatting of Megatron into Galvatron is,

in my opinion, yeah, I know a lot of people don't

like Galvatron in which Megatron was still the

leader or whatever else. Just the reformatting,

the way they showed that, that was fucking awesome.

It did look really, really, really cool, and

I guess it was sort of a byproduct of the era

when, you know, everything was all fancy and

computerized then. They thought it was really

high -tech and shit. But it was quite cool -looking,

though. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Kind of get

confused the first time I saw the movie because

after Galvatron disintegrates Starscream To me

after like after the whole body disintegrates,

and it just shows the foot It almost looks like

sound waves foot, but I know it's not I know

it was Starscream And at least the power struggle

ends. Thank God. I'm so sick This is one of my

main complaint of complaints about the first

two seasons that I've already reviewed is I am

so sick of the Megatron Starscream power struggle

Tell you man. They should have just shot each

other See what happened Yeah, pretty much and

then the oh shit controversy Was it in wasn't

in what was it in wasn't it in you know? Whatever

else there was like two or three different versions

that the oh shit line from spike was not in a

couple of the VHS versions and they put it back

in because That was the whole that in the open

dammit open was one of the reasons why they got

PG Because of that because they wanted to distinguish

the movie from other animation of that time which

most of it was rated G Yep, well that brutally

killing most of the cast doesn't help it either

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree on that one Yeah,

makes you wonder though if the Decepticons had

just grown balls and actually killed the Autobots

20 years earlier They could have ended it a lot

sooner never even had to deal with the reformatting

by Unicron Because Megatron had so many chances

to kill Optimus, it's insane. I mean, he basically...

Megatron was the fucking coyote from the Roadrunner

series. He had every opportunity to kill Optimus,

but yeah, Optimus just kept getting away. Meet

-meet, motherfucker. It's so true. I mean, if

you look at Transformers through the lens of

the Looney Tunes, this is ridiculous. He's had

so many chances. Bugs Bunny is Optimus Prime.

Oh my god, that is hilarious. Steve and I had

already done this in an episode of All Things

Transformers. The Hot Rod Springer RC love triangle.

Don't even get me started because it just pisses

me off. The scene in the battle where... where

I think it's Cyclonus or somebody is shooting

at Hot Rod and then RC saves Daniel and he saves

RC and they're all like really lovey -dovey and

then all of a sudden later on in the movie it's

Springer that's by her side so it's like pick

one already. That fucking mechanical hussy. Bot

-hole bag. She's the only one left though. Yeah,

that's true, so it's like a Transformers gangbang

gotcha I've got things so much worse. Let me

tell you the things they can do with a blender

Wow Let's move on to the soundtrack when I first

got the actual see the original one that came

out in 86 The tracks that had on it was The Touch,

Instruments of Destruction, Death of Optimus

Prime, Dare, Nothing's Gonna Stand in Our Way,

The Transformers Theme by Lion, Escape by Vince

Ticola, Hunger by Spectre General, Autobot Decepticon

Battle by Vince, and Dare to be Stupid by Weird

Al. Now, when I first found this soundtrack,

obviously it was probably about 10 years ago

when I actually found a real copy of it, I was

kinda shocked and kinda... Surprised that a lot

of the other instrumental stuff wasn't in there

Like the the moon base to thing in the shuttle

launch scene and all that stuff And of course

the 20th anniversary rolls around and we have

three unreleased tracks, which was the unicorn

medley Which is Mike's favorite? moon base to

shuttle launch Megatron must be stopped parts

one and two and then Vince did an alternate version

of the of the theme I love this soundtrack. It's

one of the better ones to come out of the 80s.

And Vince DiCola's synth pop soundtrack definitely

suited the movie. I don't know so much if it

suited Rocky IV. But yeah, the Unicron theme,

I think on some level anybody born in the 80s

knows what this is. Because it's so just... up

in your face. And a lot of Vince's score was

just really, really, really well done. Oh, yeah.

Although, Dare to be Stupid, as much as I love

Weird Out, no. It's a junkie on theme. Come on,

man. It's ridiculous. But it didn't fit with

the soundtrack, technically speaking. Yeah, exactly.

When you go from hunger to dare to be stupid,

you know, it doesn't work, man. I mean, it's

like going from death metal to Hannah Montana.

It's that exact. Oh my god. That's a wide, wide

-ranging scope there, Mike. That's right. I'm

not really going to defend Dare to be Stupid

because, yeah, I kind of agree. And, of course,

nobody really knew what the hell he was saying

when you watched it in the original VHS because

it kind of ran all together. Somebody thought

it was something else than what it actually was.

The new soundtrack like I said adding the additional

Instrumentals I thought was really awesome It's

actually funny I have the as far as the unicorn

medley goes I have it's very doomsday It's very

ominous like doomsday like the world is gonna

end once this thing gets to you And like that

in the very beginning I actually ripped that

To a ringtone for my iPhone and that's what your

ringtone is Mike every time you call me which

is very few and far between And then I've got

I forget where I placed it I'd have to listen

to it again But I've got I think it was in the

middle of the Megatron must be stopped Song is

what Steve's is what Steve's ringtone is Because

I'm Megatron. Yes, yes, yes. You want to be Megatron.

That'd be freaking awesome. I'm fucking Unicron,

you are my bitch. Now make me a sandwich. This

is why you keep me around, the entertainment

value. Exactly. And erotic toasters. Anyway,

go on. No, we're not doing erotic toasters, thank

you very much. Let's see, what else do you guys

want to say about the movie? I seriously think

it deserves more notoriety than what it has.

I think on some level this movie should be shown

in film schools to depict the evolution of animation.

I really believe that simply because of the dark

tone it took. I mean, when you look at the character

death scenes, like I said, they were unforgivingly

brutal. And I think as animation history buffs

need to acknowledge This as an important step

because look at what happened with friggin GI

Joe like a year later. Oh God Duke's in a coma

Movie goes on. Oh wait. He's okay Are you fucking

kidding me? Seriously Duke should have been fucking

DOA Well, they actually meant to kill him but

because of the big outrage from killing prime

They had to go back on it figure out a loophole.

Oh, yeah, he's fine. He's just hurt In the bonus

feature about the death of Optimus Prime, Flint

Dilley, the story consultant and one of the producers

and writers, actually said that there was a kid

somewhere that locked himself in his closet when

he saw Optimus Prime die and would not come out

until he saw him alive again. And then Flint

goes on to say, he said, yeah, little did you

know we were going to bring him back in the third

season as a zombie. Yeah, the zombie prime episode

yeah, yeah, and then they kill him again in like

the headmasters No, they don't know well. Okay.

Well keep in mind. I I have never seen that I've

only seen up to rebirth I've only fucking downloading

Mike well send me the fucking file Mike See haha

well well some of them because I'm a part of

another site TF cog where they do fan dubs and

I'm the voice of headmasters scourge on there

See Steve you need to get me some kind of an

audition. I think I would make a awesome insecticon

No, I'm cannon fodder Wow that's funny That's

really really funny Just speaking from the US

stuff I mean they brought him back as a zombie

and then they killed him again and then they

bring him back finally and Steve already pointed

out to me that the rebirth the the rebirth thing

Was done in fucking Canada. It wasn't done by

the fucking original people that animated the

rest of the show That's why rebirth is so bad

Freaking Canadian animators Fuck you Yankee pricks

anyway, I didn't say broadcasters. I said animators.

There's a difference I Draw stick figures. I'm

an animator When I use a flip pad Think of that

seed in hot fuzz. I've done that before That's

right. Wow. Oh boy. Okay. I don't think there's

anything else. Any final thoughts? gotta say

that definitely this movie in a different way

outside of being an animation thing it should

be noted there's a movie should also be recognized

for its soundtrack not just because I'm a huge

Stan Bush fan and all that crap it's the fact

that this movie pretty much epitomized what a

1980 soundtrack was and that's a good thing though

because it had pop and it had synth and then

Ridiculous track insert here with his dare to

be stupid But you just look at the way the scenes

flow and in a sense The scenes are timeless because

of the music and yet the scenes are dated because

of the music and it's an interesting paradox

just because you look at Stan Bush's the touch

and that is Optimus Prime and then with weapons

of destruction that is the death of the G1 Autobots.

Those music scenes invoke those images, and even

to those that aren't list, even to those people

that haven't seen the movie, you just know something

bad's gonna happen, and yet with Optimus Prime,

you feel really inspired. In fact, there was

a video Stan Bush did a couple months ago with

the U .S. military and the Touch, which was interesting

to say the least. And, I don't know, it's just,

it's... It is the feel -good 80s music, or it

is the get -you -pumped kind of music, and I

think that's why Transformers, the movie, had

probably one of the greatest soundtracks of the

1980s and is underappreciated as a film. Oh,

yeah. I mean, one of the reasons why I asked

the question about, do you think it holds up,

is because I got into an argument on another

forum that I post on, and someone said that...

80s nostalgia sucks and that Transformers doesn't

hold up and it's just complete shit basically.

And I went back and forth and back and forth

and finally I just had to ignore that person

because I just couldn't take what they were saying

anymore. See Mike, that's why you tell them to

suck on your left. Make sure it's extra vinegary

too. It's a good thing we added that explicit

rating, huh, Steve? Yeah, right. No, I mean,

hell, I don't care. I love cursing on podcasts,

so it doesn't really matter. It's those people

that are like, oh, 80s nostalgia is horrible.

See, if you didn't have the 1980s, you wouldn't

have the animation you have frigging today. This

is your history. This is your background. I mean,

I don't know. This guy probably likes Ben 10

or crap like that. So and I don't know this guy's

a friggin noob well well the other thing is he

pretty much Anytime I made a comment on if anything

I like he's like do you have any idea what quality

is and I'm like fuck you I'm like well you're

on the internet so clearly you're the authority

on this yeah probably also have a 12 inch penis

are married to Britney Spears and drive a Ferrari

fucking idiot the the the unfortunate thing is

he gives Canadians a bad name he's from Canada

What's his name? I will fire. No, no, no, I can't

do that. I will fucking end him. I can't do that.

I'm not throwing anybody under the bus unless

it's somebody I really know that well. Come on,

let me make him an honorary award member of douchebag

of the month. That'd be amazing. Maybe off the

air. Not on the air. Fucking A. This episode

brought to you by this douchebag, making life

hell since 1981. Wow. I don't hate people. I

just hate the fan club. Anyway. Go ahead, Mike.

Blarg yarp fuck. I am glad that they did do a

20th anniversary edition. I wish that... What

the hell was that? Bob Dole. Wish that there

was more on it than there is. We have... Actually,

do you have the 20th Anniversary Edition, Mike?

I totally do. In fact, I picked it up used for

like 10 bucks. I bought mine brand new. I have

a slight problem. You guys talk amongst yourselves.

I have to get up for a second and normally I

wouldn't do this, but somebody's knocking on

my damn door. Hold on. It's that guy from Canada.

He's gonna fuck you up. Look who's getting up

from the recording this time. oh professionalism

out the fucking window however you know what

I would have paid $50 if not more for this disc

if they had animated the additional death scene

yeah that would have been awesome if there was

like like if there was like a criterion collection

blu -ray for this I'm not kidding I would easily

pay a hundred bucks for this if they like even

if they included like animation cells or like

an art book or something I really think this

movie deserves a really epic blu -ray treatment.

Oh yeah. So anyways, the reason why I asked you

if you had it Mike was because I was going to

run down the special features. Did you enjoy

the 16 by 9 theatrical widescreen version on

the first disc or did you prefer the full screen

version that's on the second one? Well, I don't

know. It kind of depends. I mean, I saw it full

screen when I was a kid. Mind you, Having a 42

inch plasma TV. It looks better in widescreen.

Yeah, but I'd have to go with the full screamers

for some reason when animation is in widescreen

What's the friggin point? Because the animators

are animating what they have to. You're losing

16 % of the frame when you do it. Whereas when

you film in traditional 35mm, you will lose that

when you get the widescreen version. With animation,

they draw what they draw. If it's not there,

it's not there. One of the reasons why I like

this remastered version is because in the death

scene... where Hot Rod runs up to Optimus. If

you look on the very right hand side of the screen,

in the original VHS version, it's all black.

There's nothing there, but in this cleaned up

version, it shows that it's like a shadowy thing,

but there's still background there. See, I thought

originally that that was just a splotch on the

tape, but it wasn't. Well, now we know. That

knowing is half the battle. Dramatic music. Exactly.

We should totally do a commentary on or a round

table on GI Joe I would love that maybe we can

Maybe we can do that as a supplemental on the

movie podcast when we start that in July, but

fucking a Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled with the

fan commentary on it I did like the director

producer voice actor stuff commentary The fan

commentary was that bad. I didn't think it was

gone awful, but I just wasn't I don't know, I

just wasn't that thrilled with it. No. The fact

that I wasn't on it wasn't, you know, all that

good, so. Yeah, none of us were on it, so it

sucks. Yeah, fuck them. Yeah, there you go. See,

and that's why if this movie comes out on Blu

-ray, if they take advantage of that Blu -ray

live shit, you can record your own commentary.

Yeah, that's true. But as I've said plenty of

times before I'm not Right now I have no money

to go blu -ray and number two I won't go blu

-ray until I guess three or somebody gives me

a ps3 I have a blu -ray player that I actually

purchased a couple months ago that lets you watch

YouTube and Netflix on it, too, so That's pretty

friggin slick. Yeah, it is a nice one. You know

what Mike you should You should go beat the shit

out of that guy from Canada sell his organs for

a ps3 In this economy you gotta think smart That's

funny. That's funny All right. Well, I think

we're going to end this we really didn't talk

about scramble city that much but you know, I

don't know I watched it I watched it because

it only has the commentary on the DVD with it

and I wasn't a big fan of it now Yeah, I wasn't

super impressed. I will see this if they were

to actually Re -release the scramble city in

with the movie if they did a blu -ray special

edition It would be awesome if they could get

the original g1 cast to come back and voice their

characters those that are still with us and As

far as that is that would be you know cool to

see and have them actually finish the episode

TFCOG also has redubbed that and added their

own 3D and parts from the movie to finish off

that Scramble City and had us voice it as well.

You can also get it at PredaconEmpire .com, but

it's pretty epic. Yeah, a friend of mine actually

that's on Yahoo and on Skype that has more to

do with the Knight Rider fandom than anything

else asked me the other day, I didn't know Peter

Cullen still did voice work, is he still around?

And I'm like, uh, yeah. Obviously you didn't

see the new movie. Yeah, the new movie and then

the upcoming movie we're gonna do another roundtable

on that which I would want you back on that from

you on that for Mike take to yeah, just just

come back for the live -action roundtables. Yes

So I think we're gonna end this unless you guys

have anything else to say Let me see try to think

of something epic Nope, Stan Bush is gone. He's

in guitar hero. I can die now Do you do you want

to run down all your oh? Mike even though this

won't even though this doesn't air until April

or not April out May 8th Do you have any maybe

exclusives? Unknown kind of this week in geek

info that you could break on the TFG one podcast

Well, Mike, if everything works out right this

year, I should be attending E3 in Los Angeles

this year with some of my associates from This

Week in Geek. I should be at the ScrewAttack

Gaming Convention, which is held in Dallas, Texas

on the July 4th weekend. In addition, I might

be in Las Vegas for EVO, which is a Street Fighter

tournament sort of thing. And I might be at the

Tokyo Game Show this year. We're still waiting

to find out what's going on with that. Otherwise,

you want to find me around the web, you can check

out thegameheroes .com. ThisWeekendGeek .net

and 1150AMWIMA where I am the video game contributor

on the Mike Miller Morning Show. And you can

find all three of us on Twitter. Mike's is at

Birdman Dodd, Steve's is SCP21, and mine is TFG1

Podcast. And only one of these sounds sexy. I

don't know which one, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shut up. Alright, I'm gonna run through the outro.

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Saying in the immortal words of Optimus Prime,

transform and roll out and thank you for listening.

Until next time. Hello, this is Michael Blanchard

with the TFG1 Podcast, and I'm about to record

a special clip for the episode 16 roundtable,

an interview with Stan Bush, coming up next.

Right. Hello, and welcome to the TFG1 Podcast

special clip. This is an interview with Stan

Bush, the master behind the music of the 1986

Transformers movie. I believe, but I cannot be

100 % positive that this interview is Stan's

first official Transformers podcast guest appearance.

Hi, Stan, how are you? Hey, how's it going? It's

going pretty good. You had said in your email

that you had just gotten back into town. Where

were you, if you don't mind me asking? Oh, I

went to Chicago for a few days just to visit.

Oh, that's cool. A little vacation. Yeah, vacation's

always good. First off, I'd like to thank you

so much for doing this today. I didn't actually

think that you would even have time to do any

kind of interview with anybody at all. Well,

I've been kind of busy, but no, I'm glad to do

it. Glad to help out and I think it's all good.

Thank you very much. First off, getting into

the questions I have for you, can you tell my

listeners where you grew up? Oh, I grew up in

Florida. I lived there my early years and I got

involved with music there and so forth and toured

around the southeast a lot before I came out

west. That kind of ties into the second question.

How did you get started into the music business?

Well, the early years I was doing a lot of night

clubs and so forth. When I joined in my mid -twenties

I joined a recording group in Colorado and then

that group, that band called Boulder, we got

signed and then came to L .A. So then I've been

here ever since making records. After that one

album we did with that band on Electro Records

and then I went solo to an album for CBS Records,

Sony, and then the second album was Scotty Brother's

Epic. After that I continued to make records

and do tours and things like that over the years.

It's been a good run. Yeah, it's been a long

run. That's pretty cool though. I just recently

found your tribute to the troops with the touch,

the tribute video. Oh yeah. How was it filming

with the troops? What was that experience like?

Because obviously I've never been over there.

I've never had any kind of experience like that.

What was that like for you? Well, I have to be

honest. We didn't actually film my segments in

Iraq. It looks like that I'm in Iraq, but that

was all sort of staged. We did in the desert

here in California with some actual Army guys

and ex -Army guys. we did a shoot out there in

uh... in the desert and those guys were kind

enough to come and help out and uh... it uh...

it came off looking like uh... you know cut together

with other with actual combat footage and so

forth that it uh... it sort of looks as though

you know we really thought i would really went

to a rock yeah that must have been a lot of fun

because as i was watching the video i noticed

that I don't know if it's your original version

that was in the 86 soundtrack or if it was the

newer version of the Touch but as it plays it

also goes back to where you all are singing it

and I thought that was really funny how you all

split that up. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. We

had a great time singing together and it was

a really fun thing. I was listening to your 2007

This Week in Geek interview with Mike Birdman

Dodd and all those guys. I know about the blood

sport in the kickboxer music. How was it working

on a song for a live action film compared to

an animated film? Well, the songwriting part

was the same, the recording process and all that.

Where the song gets used really doesn't affect

me at all in terms of what I do. But you don't

get to look at footage and say maybe get ideas

from the footage and tailor a song towards that

movie? No, generally some other person puts places

of the music wherever they think it should go,

that kind of thing. I didn't really have any

input in that. It is funny though, I have to

mention that when we had originally written The

Touch and submitted it for the Sylvester Stallone

movie Cobra. We were a little disappointed that

it wound up being used in a cartoon movie about

robots. Little did I know at the time that it

would become like a phenomenon. I'm going to

get into the Transformers questions a little

bit later. Also in that interview they mentioned

your album Dial 818 -888 -8638. You all also

mentioned that has some sort of special meaning

and I'd like to let you know that my podcast

is explicit so whatever that meaning is if it

is explicit you can go ahead and say it. I want

to know what it was supposed to mean. Oh it was

just a fan line that we had set up and there

was like a message to the fans and so forth and

for a few years there was a fan line set up and

yeah that's all it was. and uh... see i thought

it was something i thought mike it's that on

on his in on the on your own interview that if

you spelled out the the numbers it said some

curse word or something or so i don't know if

you think i never heard of the fact that well

i i could be listening to the interview wrong

i'm not really sure no no it could be i i'd be

if it is it's just a little bit though uh...

let's see what else If there was one historical

event that you could have your music playing

at, what would it be and why? I don't really

know offhand. I had a song in the Olympics and

that was a big moment in 1996. I flew to Atlanta

and performed in the Olympic Village and so forth.

I'm trying to think, you know, winning the Emmy

was a big moment for me. I can't really say an

event, I guess, you know, in terms of world events

kind of thing. I mean, I think just generally

speaking I'd like to try to help people and maybe

give people a little encouragement, you know,

to do better in life if they can, that kind of

thing. Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah, when I was looking,

when I was doing research on you, I found the

little blurb where it says, in 97, you won the

Emmy for Till I Was Loved By You, which was featured

in Guiding Light. Also, Capture the Dream, which

was in the Olympics. Are those available anywhere?

Because when I was doing the research, I actually

bought In This Life off of iTunes, and I bought

several other songs. I think I bought... I can't

even think. I know about Never Surrender and

there was another one and I forget what it is.

I think it's Straight to the Top. Yeah, yeah.

Those were on. Yeah, the album The Child Within,

it's on iTunes. Those songs are on that one.

Okay. Yeah, that Capture the Dream and To All

I Want. I'm sorry, Till I Was Loved by You. Yeah.

Another till. Yeah. I got mixed up. That's cool.

I heard that you have a new album that is coming

out. Can you give us any exclusives from it?

Yeah. We're actually a couple of months away

from finishing it, but it's in the works and

it's coming out great. Like I say, we did a new

version of The Touch. It's totally different

and totally modern. Completely different song

basically and it's been submitted for the new

Transformers movie So waiting to hear, you know,

what's happening with that, but Anyway that we're

also doing a music video for it Today is to shoot

actually this evening. Oh, that's cool. So yeah,

so we'll you'll be seeing that on on YouTube

fairly soon I'm not sure when we're gonna release

the video It kind of depends on the circumstances

surrounding the movie. I have to think this through

and I don't want to put it out prematurely if

Paramount is actually going to use the song kind

of thing. I'm looking at your IMDB page and it

says on the little news desk thing before it

gets into what you've done in film. I haven't

looked at the actual article because I just haven't

yet. Little tagline says Michael Bay says you

won't believe how transformers 2 ends now The

only thing I can take to that meaning unless

I click on the link means that at some point

the touch will be in the movie I don't know me

personally I am not really interested in any

of the movie news right now because Michael Bay

always does false stuff half the time Yeah, I

have no clue what what that means or anything.

I will look at it later. How did you feel? It'd

be great if they did put it in there. The thing

is it's an anthem around the world for Transformers

fans and to ignore that, I don't know, it just

seems like it's not entirely respectful of the

fans. They did get the voice of Optimus Prime.

I know that was one of the other things that

the fans really wanted and that did come to pass.

Anyway, we'll keep a good thought and we'll see

what happens. It's still, like I say, this is

crunch time for them. I know the music is always

the last thing in a movie, so they're still sorting

through everything, deciding what they're going

to do. I know the first movie was very political.

I think all the actual Warner Brothers bands

like Linkin Park and Goo Goo Dolls and I don't

know who else. Yeah, there was a whole bunch

on that. I was actually going to ask you about

how you felt about that as far as, you know,

like you said, The Touch is basically an anthem

for Transformers fans and me personally being

a fan, every time I hear that song, doesn't matter

what version it is, immediately I think of Optimus

Prime. That's just what it is. That's just what

it turned into. How did you feel by them not

allowing you into the movie, into the first movie?

Well, like I said, the song was going to be in

the movie right up until I think two weeks before

the release. I never really got the circumstances

as to why it was pulled out. I think it was one

of the scenes where what's a bumblebee in the

car and all that. I don't really know what the

circumstances were. I never found out. But I

had re -recorded a version in 2007 that was very

similar to the original. How is the 2007 version

going to differ from the new version you're working

on now? Well, like I say, the new one is a totally

different song. It's a different melody. Like

I say, the lyrics are the only thing that's kind

of a thread. similar, you know, a bit. But all

I can say is it's really good and it's very modern

and cool and all that. So, you know, one of the

things with the touch, the original touch, was

it was kind of an 80s type of thing. You know

what I mean? It's different from what the kids

are listening to today. And so that might, you

know, that might be in a factory, you know. But

this new one could very well be Considered I

think for an end an end title cut you like a

feature track, you know depends on like I say

depends on the politics of it and But but it's

the balls in Paramount's court right now and

we'll just see what happens and you know I'm

sure Michael Bay will Will be the ultimate decider

of things. Yeah, let's hope it gets in there.

That would be awesome Yeah, thanks I'm gonna

do Mike and then I'm going to go a little bit

inside the actor's studio on you. What is your

favorite word? I think moment. Yeah, I really

love that word because it's so much of the time

we're thinking about the future and the past

and all that and just living in the moment is

like the key to being happy. Having a sense of

well -being. Right, right. What is your least

favorite word? Wow. I don't know. Am I putting

you on the spot? I just, it's hard to think.

Let's see. I mean obviously stuff like hate would

be probably... Yeah. What is your favorite curse

word I guess I'm kind of an ass man Switching

gears a little but I kind of want to get into

the whole Transformers thing. Yep. How did you

get involved with the 1986 movie? Well, it was

set up through the label Scotty Brothers did

that made the arrangements for the song to be

in the movie that Touch and Dare. That's cool.

That was just set up by the label. I actually,

and I pointed this out, this little interview

that we're doing here will be a part of my movie

roundtable for the 86 movie and I pointed out

in the roundtable discussion that I truly believe,

obviously, the touch is Optimus Prime's theme

and I also believe that Dare is another character,

Hot Rod's theme. And if you watch the movie...

with your songs obviously in it and you watch

those scenes with those characters you can really

see that yeah that even though you didn't design

them to be character themes that's what they

are yeah yeah it's kind of cool how that evolved

that way it's like it just sort of came to be

and everybody's hearts and minds it seems like

that's the way that it came out were you only

supposed to do were you only Tapped to do two

songs or did they sign you up for more than two?

Well, I had had also song a version of the Transformers

theme that but they wound up using the lion version

But there was a on the Transformers DVD release

or soundtrack there was a soundtrack that was

released re -released or whatever that had A

version that I did of Transformers. That was

the 20th anniversary CD soundtrack that came

out with the DVD. How did the movie affect your

career afterwards? Just having your music in

the movie aside from being the touch, the main

song that you're basically known for. evolved

from that like For one thing that this song became

popular in Europe. I did a lot of touring in

Germany and so forth based on mainly on that

song it was kind of Surprising to me that that

happened, but it just kind of did and so I did

a lot of stuff in Europe and England and I went

to Japan once and a lot of the Then of course

there were other things that came from it too

like The Touch was in the movie Boogie Nights,

so that was another thing that resulted from

it. And then recently on an episode of Chuck

on NBC, this was in October, where they have

to save the world and there's some video game

champion and his theme with The Touch. I don't

know if you saw that. No, I didn't, but I've

seen the news items about it. Yeah, it was very

cool. In the original version of The Touch, what

was the musical inspiration behind it? What sound

were you going for? Did the way the 80s music

scene sounded, did that have an effect on it?

Or was it something that you just said, hey,

I'm going to use this, this, and this, and that's

what it was? Yeah, I don't recall there being

a lot of thought put into it. It was more just

from the heart, from the gut. The vocals are

very uplifting and the lyrics, of course, are.

The whole thing about going for it. That's the

theme. It started with that song, but that's

kind of a theme I sort of latched onto. I've

gotten some really cool fan mail over the years

about that, about the Touch and Dare, how those

songs have been a positive influence in some

kid's life or whatever. It's incredible to hear

a story like that. Maybe you did some good in

the world, you know? Oh yeah. Me personally,

actually when I was doing the prep to talk to

you today, I actually listened to Darren and

I noticed that from the 2 .25 mark until the

2 .51 mark is probably my favorite part only

because it's just instrumental and you can feel

of course me I can see the action that's going

on in the in the movie but just listening to

the CD I can actually feel that that uplifting

type of type of feeling that you're going for

and I just I actually honestly sometimes I like

dare more than the Dutch oh yeah yeah I know

it's very cool why I like it too Thank you. As

far as the new one, I know you're not going to

talk too much about it, but do you think that

the fans of your previous work will still enjoy

the new version of The Touch? Well, yeah, I think

they will, and a lot of it's because of the nostalgia

of knowing the song and the lyrics and so forth,

and they're going to be like, wow, this is cool.

It's got a little bit of a Linkin Park vibe,

maybe, and there's the melodies. You know, very

different for the chorus. It's very unique and

high and very cool. It's kind of keyboard. It's

also got the detuned guitar. You know where they

tune the guitar low. It's a very fat, cool sound

that guitarists use now these days. Some of the

heavy, heavy stuff, you know. That's really cool.

Someone had written in to me because I had asked

them. to ask, you know, hey, you know, I'm interviewing

Stan Bush. Is there anything that you, the fans,

want to ask him? And one of the questions was,

what do you think of the fans? Are they still

tied to the Generation 1 cartoon and the movie,

or are they ready for the new batch of Stan Bush

Transformers goodness? Well, I don't know. The

answer is kind of both. I think... A lot of the

people that were growing up during the first

one, it brings back memories and so forth. I

know that most everybody is really excited about

the new movie and so forth and the new stuff

that's coming out. Going back to In This Life,

like I said, I just bought it probably half an

hour before I called you. I listened to the Till

All Are One and I had seen the concert footage

that's on your website, stanbush .com, and that

is just an awesome song. I don't suppose you

have just the instrumental version of that somewhere

that maybe we could have to play along with this

clip? I may actually have an instrumental version.

I'll have to look. I'm not sure. Usually when

we do a... an album or a recording or whatever.

Usually we do a track with the vocals gone. It's

what they call a TV mix. So I'll look for that.

I don't know for sure if I have that or not.

How do you feel about BotCon? Oh, I'm excited.

I'm performing at BotCon, as you know, the end

of May. And this one coming up is here in California,

in Pasadena. And the concert will be at Paramount

Studios on the New York City live set outside

at the evening and the weather will be great.

It's very exciting. I'm going to be performing

with Vince DiCola as well. Part of the show will

be him and part of it will be me and part of

it will be both of us together. It's going to

be awesome. Dang, I wish I could go. Oh man.

I know, it would be cool. Where were you where

do you live you're in? I'm in Louisville, Kentucky

Oh, Kentucky, okay Yeah Actually, it's funny.

I had a little side note after I listened to

all or one off the in this life album There was

I don't know if you pay any attention to the

previous bot cons But last year there was a theme

that they did called shattered glass where everything

was reversed like the Decepticons were good the

Autobots were evil and I have the Bot con Optimus

Prime figure from that and on his little cab

He has a hood that says till all are gone and

as soon as I heard your song I'm like wouldn't

it be cool is Stan turn till all are one around

and made not really make it negative but have

it titled till all are gone and have like a story

type of song going like in that same direction

that that would have been really cool oh yeah

yeah that's neat yeah i like twists like that

you know yeah Yeah, I wish BotCon was doing the

Shattered Glass universe again this year, but

unfortunately they're not. Do you or have you

ever watched any of the Transformers cartoons,

whether that be the one in the 80s or whether

it be Beast Wars or any of the newer ones? Just

snippets here and there. I know there was a Beast

Wars or one of the cartoons actually played to

touch years ago. And I heard about it, but I

didn't see that episode. But yeah, just snippets

here and there. If you had the chance, would

you ever voice a character if offered, like for

a Transformers cartoon? Well, sure, yeah. I did

a little bit of voiceover work out here. But

I'm mainly a singer, so I have to... You stick

with your strengths. Exactly, exactly, yeah.

Oh, man. Yeah, actually, I don't know if you

know, I don't know how much of Transformers stuff,

news and stuff you pay attention to. They are

Shout Factory. Hasbro has tapped them to re -release

the Generation 1 cartoon on DVD. They're going

to be releasing Season 1, the 25th anniversary

DVD set on the 16th of June, a week before the

movie comes out. and then later in the summer

they're going to be doing a complete series of

the generation one cartoon so maybe if you wanted

to you could go pick it up and you know you could

watch the the old cartoons if you wanted to oh

yeah that sounds cool yeah I think that's all

I have for you okay well I should mention that

the people can find out information about what's

going on with me and That's cool. While you're

talking about being able to reach you, how do

you feel about social media, like MySpace and

Facebook and Twitter and all that stuff? I have

a MySpace, but I haven't gotten involved in the

other stuff. I just don't have time. to try to

get on Facebook or whatever the other ones are.

And I just don't have time to do that. I barely

have time to do what I'm doing now. Yeah, you

know the story. All right. Well, I'd like to

thank Stan Bush for taking the time out to record

with me today in this special clip for the movie

roundtable episode of the TFG One podcast. My

pleasure. I enjoyed it. Hang on the line, Stan.

I'll talk to you a little bit. This is the second

roundtable clip that you are going to hear on

episode 16 of the TFG1 podcast I am your host

Mike Blanchard with Michael Wilson. Hello, Michael.

Hi there. Hello. Yes, I wasn't sure if I was

going to be doing more than one clip in the previous

audio clip we had myself Steve slash Megatron

of product on Empire comm and Mike the demand

out of this weekend geek discussing the 86 film

um... and i actually wasn't sure if i was going

to be able to get stan bush as an interview which

i did which was totally awesome and i had to

really really control myself from geeking out

because it's stan bush and obviously how many

how many people actually get this wheel obviously

how many people get the stock you know i was

wow that almost sounded creepy i was gonna stalk

the man yeah no talk How many people actually

get to talk to Stan Bush? So that will be before

this clip. And yeah, we're going to be talking

about the 1986 Transformers The Movie. So let's

just get right into it. When was the first time

you saw the movie? You know, honestly, I did

not see the theaters. And I didn't see it when

it came out immediately. I was probably about

15. maybe when i actually saw it so that would

have been 1988 roughly yeah that's about the

same time i saw it was either 87 or 88 um i didn't

see it in theaters either um actually i didn't

even know about it until i think my mom saw it

in some video store or something um yeah so that

that that was about the same for me all right

uh the second little question here is now it

says Be honest, did you cry when Optimus Prime

died? No. And it's probably not due to the fact

that I wasn't emotional about it, but it's more

to the fact that I don't cry. I have dry eyes.

I just don't physically cry. And occasionally

the tear ducts will kick in, but it's at the

most inopportune moments, like when I'm trying

to fall asleep or things like that. Yeah. But

normally on most occasions, I don't cry. I've

probably cried maybe twice out of raw emotion

in the last 20 years yeah well seeing as how

our age difference is a little bit you know obviously

you're a little bit older than I am I was about

eight seven or eight when I actually saw it and

the only the time that I cried on it was when

I first saw the last shot and by the last shot

I mean you know that shot that they always show

in the trailers Of where Megatron shoots him

and we see Prime falling back and his leg falls,

you know, his leg goes up and then he's, he's

down. That's, I was like, my mouth hung open.

My eyes started watering up, I'm like, what?

No, oh my god, no, no, they did not do that.

And this was after Megatron, you know, basically

put a fusion cannon to Bronzehead. And we know

he's going to kill people. dead. Yes, well actually

he shot Braun in the shoulder. He shot Ironhide

in the head. Shoulder in the head? No, no, no,

well, no, what? Braun was not shot in the head.

He was shot in the shoulder. Braun is holding

onto Megatron's foot and he looks up at Megatron

and Megatron says... That's Ironhide. That's

Ironhide? That's Ironhide. When the Decepticons

first... break into the ship brun brun is the

first one we see he says megatron he gets up

the next thing we see is ratchet and brun and

blue either either it's rat blue streak or prowl

forget which one whatever mr. burning eyes there

megatron transforms into his little pistol mode

and starscream has to hold him and starscream

shoots brun in the shoulder at the very end of

the scene where megatron walks up Ironhide comes

in from the left side of the screen holds onto

Megatron's legs and he says no and Megatron's

like such Nonsense or something and he shoots

ironhide in the head Well, if you'd have watched

the movie before we recorded this, it would have

been fresh in your mind. Yeah, two nights ago!

Mr. Transporter wine person. What I thought was

interesting was the way it was storyboarded originally,

when it was written, not animated this way, but

written this way, that Megatron came on board

and shot them all so badly that they fell into

two or three pieces. Yeah, the original script...

When they first wrote the script, it was supposed

to be way more violent than what it actually

ended up being. And I think that the censor,

either it was the censors or the network or Hasbro

or somebody coming down on them saying, hey,

look, you guys need to kind of PG it up a little

bit here. We want the PG rating. We don't want

it that bad. This is long before PG -13, so if

they would have gotten pushed into an R rating,

that would have been it. Yeah, your seven, eight

-year -old self probably would have been crying

a river if Bron had been melted in the slag as

if it was just shot in the shoulder. Oh, yes.

And we will talk about the rating of the movie

a little bit later, because that comes into play

with a few choice voice lines. There's a couple

of interesting things. Yes, yes. We'll discuss

that. Yeah, pretty much so. uh... if you could

pick only one character that you like out of

the entire movie who would it be in line uh...

i really like rodimus uh... i'm the same way

i said that in the uh... really the first clip

yeah i think it was a lot of people who are going

to grow this is just uh... people it's like all

happy -go -lucky just travel to life and Uh,

you know, some people don't like that about,

you know, the fact that he ends up as the leader.

And, you know, some people say, oh no, you know,

I'd really much rather seen Ultra Magnus become

the leader. And, you know, basically Ultra Magnus

proved several times in the movie that he wasn't

ready to be a leader. Uh, you know, he just made

bad decision after bad decision. And it just

didn't work out for him in the end. Mr. I can't

deal with that now. I can't deal with that You

can't deal with that. You can't let your shuttle

not get blown all the hell You can't keep your

limbs on your own body. I mean that was actually

in the movie But yeah, that was originally written

that way where they were all gonna where the

sweep swooped in and you know hold him off and

fold it four different directions Totally faces

of death Oh yeah. I mean I love Optimus and Megatron

as the leaders, but now looking back on it, and

I've always liked the Rodimus character. I've

always liked Hot Rod slash Rodimus, whatever

the hell you want to call him. I've always liked

that character. I always liked him in the movie

when I was younger and I like him now. But the

way I look at it is that Optimus and Megatron...

They're the number one overall best yeah But

if I had to pick one character out of the movie

number one because I liked how he looked was

hot rod and Obviously Rodimus later on his character.

He has the most character growth out of anybody

in the entire movie I think so, but but what

I don't like well I like hot rod and I to a certain

extent what little bit you see of Rodimus Prime

I did like him there later on in the cartoon

Rodimus Prime basically spends a lot of time

wandering around saying, I'm not as good as Optimus.

I suck. And everyone goes, oh, no, you're not.

You're fine. And that bothers me about him. Because

Optimus Prime would never, I mean, heavy is the

head that wears the crown. But Optimus Prime

never sat around moping. It's like Rodimus' emo

prime. Yeah, I know. Yeah, and we and you and

I will probably get into a very I am definitely

there is one episode coming up that you'll be

on I Don't think it's it's either 18 or 19 It's

about the it's a dream episode where they're

stuck in Daniel's dream and I have a lot of Bad

bad bad foul language to say about that episode

when it comes to Rodimus, but as far as the movie

goes He was my favorite. After 25 years, do you

think that the movie and the G1 series overall

holds up? That's an excellent question because

let's put it this way, as a contrast agent, you

know, take a look at a movie that came out at

a relatively the same time like Bill and Ted's

Excellent Adventure. If you watch that, you think,

wow, this movie is really dated. This is a really

old movie. Whereas with Transformers, aside from

the slightly 80s soundtrack, well very 80s soundtrack,

the animation still holds up. It's a very well

animated movie. It compares very well with a

lot of the stuff that came out in the early 90s

and in late 90s even. The more recent anime that's

come out is mostly computer generated, and even

some of that doesn't look quite as nice. Yeah,

I find myself when I want to watch Transformers

movie or transformers the movie or the transformers

the movie or whatever the hell Multi subtitles

that they've given the thing over the years when

I watch it I either watch it with the creator

commentary even though it's the creator commentary

kind of sucks a little bit I watch it either

with that or by itself. I have watched the fan

commentary on the 20th anniversary DVD but I'm

the type of person that if somebody points something

out, I will always notice it. Like the fact of

all of the dead robots return in the battle scene

as far as just randomly flying by. Occasionally,

yeah. Like the coronation scene where somehow

or another, Thundercracker and Skywarp show up

and standing in the crowd. Yup, yup. I mean,

I will always notice that stuff. Don't think

I ever really noticed it before I listened to

that commentary. I don't think I ever noticed

it in the movie until after I listened to that.

Well, I think unless you've watched the whole

movie five times and freeze -framed it just frame

by frame by frame, would you actually notice

it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. What was your favorite scene

in the movie? Oh. You know, my favorite scene,

and again, this is a Rodimus scene. When Rodimus

is wrestling with Galvatron, he gets hold of

the Matrix and he kind of stands up and Optimus

Prime, long dead, says, you know, Arise, Rodimus

Prime. And he goes, Optimus. Yeah. And he stands

up and he kind of grows and he begins. And then

the touch kicks in again. Oh yeah. And it's like,

ah, you know, I mean, right there, that's an

emotional scene for me. I dig that. Oh yeah.

My favorite was that actually the whole scene

when he first, when Rod or when Hot Rod first

falls down into that area of Unicron and, you

know, They start that whole battle scene and

they keep scene cutting between the inside, between

the two of them fighting, and the outside where

all the other Autobots and Decepticons are fighting

Unicron who is standing in... How the hell can

you stand in space, but he's standing in space

attacking Cybertron. One of my other favorite

parts of that scene is... Yeah, it's just funny

as hell me Grimlock kick, but and then they all

go in They all go in they all do their little

attacks and Unicron reaches around he grabs But

I mean the scale of that Oh kind of see a hand

reach around like he's trying to grab the Dinobots

But I mean if they pulled back a little bit they'd

have this big -ass robot scratching his ass uh...

well i give them that granted they could have

gone for the easy ass grab joke and uh... you

know insured themselves the pg rating uh... well

the other part of that scene is after unicron

grabs his ass grimlock flies out he goes me grimlock

need new strategy used to have a good i like

grimlock i don't like so much that they they

turn them into a big dumb german shepherd After

that fact, I mean, you know, he was he was kind

of me Grimlock badass when he and you know when

they when they introduced him and then they kind

of turned him into the comic relief and really

he's just literally like a big dumb German Shepherd.

He's just Hi. Hi. How you doing? Throw me a ball.

Throw me a ball. Yeah, you and I will definitely

get into that in the next episode because episode

seventeen is the epic five -parter five faces

of darkness and he even sounds excuse me he even

sounds like a whiny dog when rodimus gets hit

by the dip anyway will will get out of that well

even though even though this even in the movie

uh... really hits him in the nose with the with

the slingshot and he's like all what do you mean

my own like my own like badass would be and that

would have been it I mean, we don't need a guide

to the giant building at the end of this road.

We know where the giant building is. Well, in

Grimlock's defense, he did go all badass on the

Sharkticons. Uh, he did. There was a certain

comedic element still to it, you know, but, uh,

Slag looks down and says, excuse me. Well yeah,

well yeah, well yeah, but that's slag though

I mean like when when they first get into that

scene when they When they first burst in on the

scene and they're all coming down after Grimlock

gets in there You know he's going after the shark

to cons and how the hell that a camera in his

mouth I have no idea they show his teeth. You

know Yeah, menacing inside of his like there's

a lot of carnage. Yeah, like you're sitting on

his Like somebody set a camera right on his friggin'

tongue and you can see his jaw is opening and

then it cuts to the outside of him where it shows

the same thing at a different angle. So I mean,

Grimlock did have his moments. Actually yeah,

I thought that was a good scene. I think that

Cupp and Rodimus could have handled themselves.

They were doing pretty well, honestly. Maybe

they didn't need the backup. He certainly didn't

eat Wheely there, he could have been eaten. Wheely

hater in the house! Oh, trust me, I am too. I

cannot stand that fucking character. Fucking

Wheely. Fucking Wheely. So that was your favorite

scene? Well, the whole battle scene. I'm wondering,

are there people out there who say, my favorite

scene was when Optimus died. He turned to gray.

Now I did like the battle scene between the two

of them up to the part where up to the part where

Astrotrain escapes or the rest of the Decepticons.

But no, the death scene is not my favorite. Absolutely

not. My second favorite scene might be the one

where Prime and the Dinobots come. Prime lands

the shuttle and they have a scene of him. This

is an iconic scene. It's coming off the shuttle.

I believe Howland is still coming down the ramp,

he's standing by the Hydrodam, and he says, Megatron

must be stopped, no matter the cost. Boom! That's

an iconic scene, I would love to have a freeze

frame sell of that on my wall. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Yeah, that entire scene, when I talk about the

Megatron Optimus battle scene, I'm talking about

from that point, after the shuttle lands, until...

You know, ask or train, you know, gets the rest

of the Decepticons and then they retreat. Well,

no, I mean, that's an epic battle. And certainly

that's the last time you're going to see such

an epic battle. I mean, even the Unicron battle

isn't quite as awesome as, you know, what took

place there. Nope, nope, nope. I think we're

gonna wing it because I just have a whole bunch

of other notes I did some math before I did the

first recording with the other guys and I've

averaged out spikes age to be between 36 and

38 years old within within the time frame of

the cartoons Years like obviously season one

of generation one started in 1984 And that's

the actual time frame that they say once that

they've woken up It's 1984 and then now he's

16 17 and 84 yeah He's like 15 16 84 because

he couldn't drive and then now the movie is set

in 2005 so you take obviously you do that math

I averaged out to be a but he's 37 and that kind

of it didn't weird me out it kind of shocked

me because he he almost looks and acts like like

he's like in his twenties but then again he does

have a kid but i don't know how do you think

daniel is daniel has to be between eight eight

and ten i would say yes somewhere in there and

somewhere in there they never showed carly no

they did not show carly's the mother Yes, I'm

positive because that that episode I mentioned

earlier that we're gonna be reviewing in I think

it's episode 18 or 19 actually shows her and

Yeah, it's yeah because it shows the three of

them as a family Okay. Yeah, so even though she

wasn't in the movie. She was retconned in Maybe

Spike was the first male, you know, the first

pregnant male and then it just retconned her

in to be, you know, oh, I'm the surrogate mother.

Did you see the, I forget which episode it was

in, but Derek Wyatt threw in Spike and Carly

with a baby in one of the Transformer animated

episodes. Oh really? I forget which one it was,

but... There was an ad there was a battle and

and there was spiking Carly and and ratchet says

well get in or something along those lines And

they they were supposed to go to the hospital

because she maybe she was pregnant. I think that's

what it was Yeah, and they had to take her to

and it was clearly spiking Clark Carly. Yeah

I remember that ride was horrible and you know

thought they were both gonna die and then there'd

be no Daniel Now that you mention it, I don't

remember which episode it is. I don't remember

the episode. I actually don't remember it all

that clearly because I thought that was a baby

involved because she's only pregnant. But the

homage was there. Yes, yes. Another question

I have. along the same lines of being within

the timeline of the original series in the movie,

where the hell have they been? Where the hell

have the Autobots been for the last 26 years?

I mean, come on! You go from bot at the end of

season two to being on a moon base and having

the Decepticons have full control over Cybertron,

which really, the Decepticons had full control

over Cybertron in the first two seasons! Yeah,

because Shockwave wasn't always there. Well,

maybe it took them 26 years to take the moon

base. You gotta think, they've been fighting

for 9 million years. 26 years is like a drop

of the bucket. It's like, that's barely nothing.

They could take a nap for 26 years. On that notice.

But maybe that's what they did. Half of them

were sleeping. At some point they took the moon

base. And Megatron didn't seem to care because

he had Laserbeak to fly back and forth from their

base to the moon base and kind of listen in when

it's like, sure, you can have all the moon bases

you want because I'm going to be sitting there

with my tape deck listening to you. Yup, yup,

yup, yup. Yeah, I, um... It wasn't exactly a

strategic advantage. No. The one thing that really

pissed me off about the Prime Megatron battle...

Megatron never. Begs for mercy. I know it was

just a ploy to obviously stall But that was just

it's just stupid. We all know he's gonna make

a play to win I mean regardless even if you know

dumbass hot rod didn't interfere I Mean yeah,

you know prime though. You know he wants to see

the good in everyone even if it's you know an

impossibility It's like you and I both know it

would be impossible for mega trying to say Oh,

I'm so sorry and maybe you can find it in your

heart to forgive me You know that would never

happen, but primes like all shocks sure I really

don't see any need to kill you here despite the

fact that you're the most evil fucker in the

universe Maybe we can work this out and you can

just do life in prison. How about that in the

meantime? Megatron makes his way to the cut and

shoot some a couple times Now I'm really surprised

at how powerful this little purple pea shooter

is. You know, you'd think he was being hit by

a fusion cannon the way he fell over. Yeah, that

was kind of ridiculous. It's like, and there's

just weapons lying all over the floor. Wherever

you happen to land, there's, you know, a rocket

launcher next to you. Just grab it and shoot

him with it. Razor blade, yep. Yeah, exactly.

He's got this ship he chases him with. What's

that doing on the floor? Yeah. Yeah, I think

it would have been better if maybe he had dropped

his fusion cannon and then noticed it lying there

and reached down and picked it up. I could see

that doing a grievous amount of damage to Prime,

but I mean, he's got this little pea shooter

that he hits him with a couple times. Yeah. It

just didn't seem like it was all that impressive.

Yeah, and again, it's not like these fucking

things have pockets. Where the hell did he have

a gun? An extra gun and not... No, it was on

the ground. It was like an outcropping and it

was just sitting there on the ground. He looks

down and, holy shit, there's a gun there! He's

got like the BFG just sitting there on the ground

underneath this outcropping where conveniently

Prime can't see it. So he looks up and says,

oh... Well, have mercy as he's crawling toward

the gun that Prime can't see. See, the only way

I could kind of justify that is they are in the

middle of a giant battlefield. And, you know,

people getting shot and everything else that

they would drop their weapon, but yeah, it doesn't

make any sense either. Well no, I mean that easily

could have been like one of the Constructicon's

guns or something. But I don't think a Constructicon's

pea shooter is going to be able to drop prime

like that. But then again, they did do a whole

bunch of damage to each other before that point.

Because if you look at that shot of Megatron

when he first stands up, his face is all torn

up and everything else. So I mean, you know,

it could be argued that... that this battle has

been going on for like ten minutes and they've

kind of destroyed the fuck out of each other

other than just giving one last final shot yeah

but i mean you know megatron's been fighting

all night and prime just kind of shows up fresh

and he's like hey i'm ready to go so i mean they

really shouldn't I don't know, Prime shouldn't

have gone down quite that easily. I mean, if

he had had the fusion cannon, yeah, I could see

that. How badass would it have been if he had

just picked up the fusion cannon, slung it under

his arm, and just started blasting him with it

as opposed to having it mounted? That would have

been awesome. It didn't play out that way, but

you know when you're 8, 9, 10 years old, you're

not really seeing it that way. No. and I think

that's you know 20 years later when you're looking

at it with an adult eye going wait a minute yeah

really wait a minute that's not right what the

hell are they doing and we're the same people

that are complaining you know when Hasbro creates

a toy line for you know five to eight year olds

it's like wait a minute these are all kiddie

toys I don't want to play with these I don't

have a problem with some of the lines but I have

a problem with the fact of transforming some

of the lines you know like reference TFA Blur

and Elite Guard Bumblebee, bastards. He's just

fivin' up level 3 conversion, my ass. No, I think

those are good toys and it's a good series. It's

when you go back to like Armada. Where Armada,

the figures themselves were made for, specifically

for, you know, 5 to 10 year old boys with that

in mind. Or whatever the age demographic is.

You know, they were made for small children to

play with. And they just don't look all that

good. The homages are there, but they're not

fantastic. Whereas if you look at the new Transformers

animated, it's all very well thought out with

an adult collector in mind as well. Oh, yeah.

We can discuss that later. But yeah, I would

never. I watched maybe two episodes of Armada,

and I'm not going to support this. the cartoon

why the hell i support the toys even even though

i'm not the completionist you are but uh... you

know it's like screw that uh... as far as the

theme themes go obviously the touch is optimus's

theme every time i hear that song i think of

optimus prime and you can go ahead yes you can

go ahead and see i i kind of i kind of think

of that is uh... Rodimus's theme. The Touch?

No. Yeah. Well, I mean, we'll see, I'd differ

it. I can consider it both as far as Optimus

and Rodimus, but as far as like the Hot Rod character's

theme, it would be Dare, which was the song that

played... Oh, that played when they were going

up to Lookout Mountain. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I'll

buy that. That's an awesome song, too. Do you

have any frustrations you would like to get out

about The Touch? I know you mentioned something

to me the other day. uh... that's your right

before the interview that preceded this little

clip here you it's why why would you call that

call me on because it's just as good a listen

to this i highly doubt it you know how you uh...

what's the term uh... an ear bug an earworm i

think it's earworm yeah uh... you know from uh...

the adams books but uh... you get it you get

something stuck in your head and it won't go

away oh yeah You know, I often times get the

touch stuck in my head. And it's like, well,

I'll get either the touch or dare again, you

know. And it's, uh, sometimes it annoys me. And

it's like, damn it, Stan Bush, I'm just going

to kick you square in the nuts because this is

your damn song and it's tormenting me. I actually

told Stan, I said, you know, I... i would vote

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

no i told him when i was doing research for you

know for the interview i told him you know i

went back and i listen to a lot of his songs

as i had to buy his two thousand seven album

uh... oh crap I can't remember what it is now

in this life and it has a new version of the

touch on it and it has it has till all or one

on it well I told them I went back and I listened

to listen to dare and there is one part in dare

I think it's from the 2 minute 25 mark to the

2 minute 51 mark that it is just the instrumental

It's no it's no lyrics. It's just it's just music

and I told him I said I love that That is my

favorite part of that song because I can visualize

the scenes in the movie where that song happened

Yeah, no, I didn't tell him about your no and

you know you gotta have respect for him the fact

that he made this the the songs a set of music

uh... that you know granted it's very eighties

it's very dated at this point but people still

have in their heads and it won't go away sometimes

that's not a bad thing though no that's what

I'm saying it's not a bad thing it's an amazing

thing it's incredible uh... there there aren't

too many songs that you can go back to nineteen

eighty six and go oh yeah You know, I still think

about that song. You know, occasionally when

you're in the shower, the song jumps in your

head. How many songs from 1986 are going to jump

in your head? Unfortunately, I have to admit

this. You were eight. Danger Zone has popped

into my head a few times. Oh, really? That was

in the 90s, though, wasn't it? Danger Zone? Hello,

Top Gun, 1986. Top Gun? Yes. Oh, seriously? Oh,

okay. Well, you know, I'm not real big on my

Tom Cruise trivia, so... I just like it because

it's the movie. I mean, yeah, Tom Cruise was

in it, and it was a great movie, but I just like

it because it was part of Top Gun. Getting back

on topic here... Okay. Circling back around,

digressing. Yes, really. We really have to do

a big digress. No, what I made on here was after

the little theme... The the differencing themes

cassettes versus cassettes equals awesome that

was just funny as hell in that scene when? When

Megatron has sound waves send the cassettes up

to destroy blaster and professor professor perceptor

Perceptor yeah, you know that that that was just

really cool. I thought that they should have

done more with that Yeah, that that scene was

far too short. Oh, yeah Yeah, I mean that I think

it would have been cool to actually see a couple

of them square off. Oh, yeah you know the good

versus evil cassettes and Yeah, that yeah, I

really think that that would have they could

have been played up to a little bit more potential,

but At the same time. It's just amazing they

even made it in oh, yeah Well, it's amazing they

even got a brand new character introduced in

that scene ratbat. We had not seen ratbat before

and you know with with the with the gold radars

yeah yeah next note I have is 20 plus decepticons

versus 10 Autobots and a little boy give me a

fucking give me a fucking break if you look at

the battle scene if you look at when it first

starts You have Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave,

the rest of the Seekers, including the Coneheads.

You've got the Constructicons who have not merged

to Devasator yet. You have Astrotrain, Blitzwing,

I mean, there's tons that I could name off that

I see. And the Insecticons. And the fucking Insecticons,

and whatever. And then you have... I'm really

surprised the Insecticons didn't form, uh...

A small army of clones. Storm, yeah. No, I think

that was done in season two enough. They did

that in the two episodes of season two that they

had. They really wanted to annihilate the Autobots.

The skies darken with insecticides. Oh, I know

it. And then you look at the Autobot side, you've

got Springer, Arcee, Magnus, Blurr, Perceptor.

And I'm not counting the fallen ones. Uh, you

got Cup and Hot Rod on the outside, so that's

like five or six or seven, and you got fucking

Daniel. What the hell is Daniel gonna do? I keep

- They keep looking at the fucking scene where

they're moving the rocket launcher and him, you

know, pushing up against it and I'm like, yeah,

okay kid, you're just straining your back muscles,

you're not even - He was there to give RC something

to fawn over. The entire movie I could go really

dirty with that joke, but I'm not even gonna

go there That would be a tantamount to incest

I mean she was just very much. Oh, yeah to the

yeah if you listen to the the commentary Yeah,

the creators who blues on there and pretty much

doesn't say much other than Oh, look, there's

RC again. I'm RC, and look how maternal she's

been toward Daniel. Three or four times. It's

like, yeah, Sue, that's right. That's all she

did, because she's a girl. And nowadays, with

the fiction, RC has become a little bit more

of a badass. But back then it was, she's the

girl Autobot. And it's kind of fun. It kind of

plays back though It kind of it kind of comes

full circle though when you get to rebirth because

you know Danny tries to save her and he gets

injured to the point where he's paralyzed and

Then you know the whole thing of the headmasters

happens and she requests to have him or else

he's gonna have to basically lay on a on a on

an operating table for the rest of his life with

machines hooked up to him unless they can find

something more portable. So it kind of comes

around full circle where they're almost... So

then he becomes ahead. He should have stopped

while he was ahead. Because, you know, he was

ahead of his time. Yeah. Bad joke right there.

Bad joke. Actually, that would have been awesome.

Yes, I actually took, when I was doing the original

research for the movie, I took a screenshot with

my iPhone when I was watching it. I had paused

it on the scene where Devastator is splitting

open one of the walls right before Prime comes

down in the ship. Is it just me or does Devastator

look more menacing in the movie than he did in

the cartoon? You know, I think there were only

a couple cartoons where Devastator didn't have

a counterpart combiner on the Autobot team. So

I think in the movie, there is no counterpart

to Devastator, so of course he's gonna look massively

badass, because he is. There's nothing that can

stand in his way. They just don't have anything.

And it would have been neat to have some... We

have more combiners on either side. It would

have been really neat if they could have had

the aerial bots there or the Defensor perhaps.

But they just weren't that good. Yeah, they just

weren't created. They weren't fully animated

yet for that. I'm going to preface this next

very controversial statement with, yes, I know

Soundwave is completely loyal. as far as a loyal

soldier to Megatron, but the scene where Megatron

is deathly injured and Soundwave doesn't leave

him, ugh, was that gay looking? Because it's

like, it's like, it's like, it's like... Are

we talking like, brokeback gay or are we talking

just like, dude, this gay? because you're going

to have to clarify here. I don't think there

was like a love interest at all between Megatron

and Soundwave. Well, no. OK, look. When we kind

of act out the scene, after Starscream kicks

him, Megatron reaches out his hand and he's like,

Soundwave, don't leave me. Whatever you want,

mighty Megatron. Or whatever the hell he says.

I don't know. When I was watching it. The initial

time when I first did the research for the first

clip of this episode of the podcast, it just

came off to me like, oh my god. Soundwave says,

I wish I could quit you. Carries Megatron back.

Yeah, yeah, the very next scene of that is fucking

Rumble carrying the fucking fusion cannon. Carrying

the huge phallic symbol behind them. I've got

your... You know, Mr. Happy. I've got your big

gun in my hand, Megatron. Just carrying it along.

I'll catch up. Don't follow too closely, my ass

is completely exposed. One of the scenes that

absolutely amazed me, even when I first saw it

as a kid, I was like, you know, wide -eyed and

just, you know, mouth hanging all open, was the

reformatting of Megatron into Galvatron. That

was fucking awesome how they did that. Yeah,

very well done. I like the wireframe, you know,

the glowing blue purple. Oh, yeah This shows

all of his circuits and everything inside. I

think that's the only thing that really I don't

say redeemed but you know, he really made Galvatron

cool my eyes is that he was Megatron yep well

Galvatron was ten times as ruthless as Megatron

because Galvatron in at least in the movie anyway

he was much smarter than his his previous form

because he basically cannon blasts Starscream

to death which Megatron should have done at the

end of the second season but Yeah, he just had

no reason to keep Starscream around. I think

the difference between Megatron and Galvatron

is Megatron is scheming, he's forward thinking,

he's looking at things not as how they are but

how he would like them to be in the future and

how can I manipulate my environment, manipulate

space around me so that I can be where I want

to be in the future. Whereas Galvatron doesn't

think about the future. He thinks of the now

and what can I do right this second to make myself

happy. Oh yeah. Yeah, and that's not really a

good leader. No, and that actually comes back

into play later on in season 3 when Galvatron

goes nuts. I believe it's the episode... He needed

to go nuts just so they could explain why he

was such a sucker. I'm trying to think. What,

um... My, um... Crap, I can't... Mad Man's Paradise

was the episode that he went nuts in. I don't

know why I noticed this but Ravage only has two

scenes in the entire movie and at first when

I first did the first clip with Mike and Steve

I didn't even remember the first scene with all

the cassettes and stuff. The one that I remember

the most is the one in Astrotrain when the Decepticons

are going all crazy on each other. He's ejected

there. Let's see Galvatron disintegrate Starscream.

Oh One of my things that I always thought because

at first when I first saw that scene as a kid

I didn't realize it was I don't know. I don't

know. I wasn't paying attention or something

I didn't realize it was Starscream because after

he disintegrates him and you kind of see his

foot It almost looks like sound waves foot from

the toy from the sound wave toy to me. Anyway,

that's what it looked like Well, I don't know.

Actually, I pretty much knew it was Starscream.

Starscream was dead. What I noticed was that

Starscream turned gray. He shot Starscream, he

turned gray, and then he disintegrated as the

crown fell through. It was almost as if Starscream

had turned into a pillar of ash. And the crown

fell through him and then Galvatron then stomps

on the crown. But did you notice though, those

were the only two characters in the movie that

died and turned gray. Optimus Prime died and

turned gray. Starscream died and turned gray.

All the other Autobots that died in the battle,

at Fortress Maximus or at Autobot City, whatever

you want to call it, they didn't turn gray. Ultra

Magnus, when he was killed. He didn't turn gray.

He was a big pile of parts that weren't gray

and they still managed to put them back together.

It was like the Princess Bride and the junkie

on the Miracle Max comes over and says, you know,

he's only mostly dead. He's not all the way dead.

We can bring him back to life. Whereas if he's

all the way dead, then, you know, there's no

miracle. And then they turn gray and they die.

Yeah. If that makes any sense. Yeah, it does.

I guess we can get to the rating issue and the

oh shit controversy. I was waiting for him to

say, we're fucked now! Oh, now we've got an R

rating. Oh, you said F word. I think that would

have been an R rating. The oh shit controversy

basically is, yes, they intended to put it in

the movie, but some of the home video distributors

back in the 80s said, oh, this is supposed to

be for kids. We can't have that in in a couple...

leases it's not in in a couple it is in and now

with the new uh... be well it's two years old

now but with the twentieth anniversary edition

you know it's it's it's left in and that's how

it should be left into you know it's not saying

like uh... you know just saying shit shit shit

shit shit it is It is... Yeah, yeah, I... I mean...

It's for... It's for, you know, emphasis, like

emotion. Like, that's what they said in the little

thing about the TFQ &A that they did on the DVD.

And they also say that it was in there to get

the PG rating to distinguish the movie from other

G -rated animation at the time. Right. This is

not the Care Bears. Yes. This is not the fucking

Care Bears. This is a serious and yes, and the

other one that was in there was open damn it

open from Magnus So I mean they were not afraid

to put words in that You know what yeah after

the shit I had completely forgotten about damn

it That's right I had forgotten about that, yeah.

But I think that at the time, violence wasn't

considered when rating a movie because there

was a lot of violence in this movie. Early on

in the movie, you've got parental death. You

don't want to say parental death, but yeah, seriously,

he was like a father figure to a lot of children,

that he was a hero, and they killed off Optimus

Prime. They killed off, you know, at least three

or four characters prior to that. I mean, dead.

Characters that you probably cared a lot about.

And it's still a G rating, you don't see Care

Bears shooting each other in the head. No, I

know. Well, hell, the whole movie starts out

not even with Transformers. It starts out with

some fucking large fucking planet coming to a

smaller fucking planet and gobbling it up. So

I mean, right off the bat, they're setting up

the fact that this movie is gonna have a lot

of death in it. Yeah. Mass destruction. I...

But if that doesn't buy you a PG rating over

a G, you know, I don't know what does, but I

mean, just to put the icing on the cake, they

threw the shit in there. Oh shit! Oh shit, we're

fucked now! That would've been hilarious. Someone

should go do a fan dub. Oh fuck, me running backwards

up and down the motherfucking street! Fuck fuck

blur running back and forth Anyway, but yeah,

that would be given the interest I Forget which

all things transformers episode it was but Steve

and I were trying to come up with a topic to

discuss for one episode and We had just been

discussing We had just done a topic the previous

episode. This is a while ago. This is a few months

ago that we had discussed the differences between

the two leaders and Between the two Autobot and

Decepticon leaders, which is Optimus and Megatron

and Rodimus and Galvatron Between those two sets

and then for the next week's topic. I was thinking

about something and I Finally figured it out.

It was the hot rod Springer RC love triangle

and the only note that I have in here because

I'm not even going to talk about it because I

Already really discussed it in the other episode.

I was like don't get me started Because it just

pisses me off because it throughout the whole

movie it shows the two of them shows hot rod

and RC that they're supposed to be the couple

or love interest or whatever and and Daniel's

supposed to be kind of like their their surrogate

son or whatever and then this dumbass Springer

comes in and yeah I don't think I really caught

it so I always thought the RC was supposed to

be Springer's girlfriend Whereas you know hot

rod to me kind of seemed like Springer and RC's

surrogate No, no, no, no The only reason why

I see Springer or not Springer hot rod and RC

together the only reason why I saw that in the

movie was because Because they pushed a tank

together They had a they had a tender moment

while aiming a giant rocket launcher toward a

Devastator is that no they both did they hold

hands a little bit to die falling out of the

shuttle no I'm not really sure Where the whole

love thing comes into play I know but the whole

As far as that goes but the only reason why I

viewed them as being a couple thing is because

They both have the same power he has x like I

guess you could call it x -ray vision and so

does she and they and they show that off at two

different scenes in the beginning of the movie

where he's looking into the the Autobot ship

and he sees Starscream he starts firing and then

Springer's like oh well they can take care of

themselves we got to transform Autobot City and

she is she pulls a like a red visor down over

her eyes or she hits a button or says something

and it shows like x -ray vision type of deal

but I thought it was just like binoculars. I

kind of assumed they all had that because they're

robots. Fucking Springer. Goddamn helicopter.

Springer in his face. I hate him. I hate him

with a passion. I like Springer. I like the toy.

I didn't so much like the characters so much.

But then again, I didn't like many of the characters

in there. I think I liked Hot Rod. and uh...

yeah i don't think i had a lot of love for any

of the uh... new characters it's like the whole

point of the movie was to kill off all the old

characters and bring in new characters you would

never see before well that's what they said in

the special features flint dilly specifically

says oh well we were told that you know the eighty

four lines going out and the eighty five lines

coming in so we have to You know, we have to

kill them off. Yeah, but I mean, they didn't

have to kill them off. They just killed them

off. But yeah, so they kill everybody. And at

this point, everybody that I loved and really

had a vested interest in was dead. And, you know,

they brought back Jazz. He was one of my favorite

characters. That was cool. They brought back

Jazz, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper... I think that

was it. I think that, yeah, it was pretty much

the only ones that ran out alive. But, uh, oh,

Bumblebee, of course. I said Bumblebee. Uh, okay.

Well, yeah, so, yeah. Of those, the only ones

that live are, you know, a few of them. But they

kill off all these beloved characters and then

they just assume... Arrogantly, you know that

you're going to love these new characters just

as much and the fact is I really didn't You know,

I like the junkie odds. I liked hot rod And I

think that about covered it and to be honest

I to a certain extent I really didn't enjoy The

the third season as much as I did the first and

second seasons because they were just full of

characters that I wasn't As a...as a...as a...as

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a...as a I didn't really like Blur at first.

I don't know why. And then... I mean I liked

him, but after a while... The more I saw the

Micro Machines commercials, the more I liked

him. The more I got to know John Machida, the

more I liked Blur. But Blur on his own... My

problem with Blur actually happens when they

teamed him and Wheelie up for most of Season

3. And that was just god awful. You're guilty

by association It wasn't Blurr's fault, it was

fucking Wheelie's fault We're gonna start talking

about the music now before I start going into

another tangent and we have to record this all

over again Let's talk about the music Wait a

minute, we gotta get Stan Bush on the line here

No, no, we don't have to That already happened

There is a lot I think every song fit this movie

perfectly You got obviously unicorns theme in

the beginning You've got lions version of the

Transformers theme and then you know right after

that you have some of the original I don't know

if it's original radio, but you have what sounds

like some of the original cartoon show music

and then you go into the scene where they break

into the ship and instruments of destruction

by NRG starts and that just each song to me anyway

just defined each scene whatever song it might

have been playing And then in the previous clip

with the other guys I had went down the differences

between The two soundtracks the original 86 soundtrack

had ten songs the touch instruments just got

destruction death of optimus prime dare Nothing's

gonna stand in our way The theme by lion What

are you gonna say? That was actually done by

specter general see you really yeah, you can't

blame that one on Stan It's not like the touch,

it's not like dare. You got escape which is an

instrumental Hunger which was done by specter

general which was in I think it was in the scene

where Grimlock and them break in and start beating

the shark decons up uh... they are about to become

battle and then why the hell well is there to

be stupid in this movie i never knew when i first

saw it like when i first saw it as a kid and

when i first saw it you know obviously grow you

know as i grew up as i would watch it more i

never knew what the hell the name of the song

was until i actually looked at the original soundtrack

that i have i mean obviously i've had that for

a few years now but You know, like when I was

15, 16 years old, I found, you know, something

on, you know, I found something somewhere that

had a list of what the songs were. I'm like,

trying to be stupid. What the hell song is that

in the movie? Yeah, I was like, what the hell?

And then I listened to it and I'm like, oh, it's

the Junkie on Steam. OK. And the only difference

between the original song set that I just listed

and the 20th anniversary disc that came out was

they added four tracks. Unicron Medley, which

was Vince DiCola. Unicron Medley, Moonbase, Two

Shot of Launch were both Vince and Megatron Must

Be Stopped was Vince. And then the alternate

version of the theme, which was done by Stan

Bush. The Megatron must be stopped. I think that

was something else that Vince did. I think it

was, you know, our darkest hour or their darkest...

I remember there was something else, there was

some hidden track that was on one of his albums

that was called In Their Darkest Hour or something

and he reformatted that or changed the name or

did something to it to be the theme where, you

know, Megatron must be stopped. uh... and uh...

i'm like the worst fan ever because i don't actually

on soon as we're done with this your ass is going

to i'd do it you are going to look it up and

you're going to fucking buy it on itunes i'm

sorry worst fan ever completionist my ass i mean

it my bad well you know i just don't well you

should you know my my musical taste revolve somewhere

between quaran alice cooper and uh... The soundtrack

here just never really fit into that category.

But one thing that I would say about the soundtrack,

digressing a bit, it could have been something

completely different if you had gone the way

that George Lucas had gone, where you have the

John Williams score with the full instrumentals.

And they kind of went the exact opposite and

did did a rock soundtrack instead. Granted, if

John Williams had never been introduced on Star

Wars, Star Wars would have been a disco. But

you fast forward about five, six years and you

end up with a completely different situation.

The predominant sound of the area there was...

You know, the Stan Bush and that Roxanne. Yeah,

I mean, I think, me personally, I think it blended

well between Stan's stuff and Spectre General

and NRG and Lion and Vince's instrumentals. I

think it all blended in well. Actually, I thought

that that piece that I was talking about, the

instrumental in Dare, I actually thought that

was a separate instrumental track. I didn't realize

it was part of the same song until much later.

But I think it all kind of blended well, regardless

of whether it was an 80s rock soundtrack. As

far as fitting it to the movie. Well, I think...

I think that... What the hell are you laughing

at? Yeah, I got the dares so it's making me giggle,

but I think that Tom Come on come on man. Talk.

This is a podcast. We can't have dead air damn

it I know it's a dead air is bad. You have to

go back. You know why do you think I started?

I know I lost my train of thought so what I come

down to is It could have been a lot different

It could have been oh, I mean if they had gone.

I mean there were a lot of Star Wars homages.

Oh, yeah And I mean if they had gone full -on

soundtrack Star Wars homage it could have been

you know the emerald March Instead of instead

of the touch you know as opposed to unicorns

theme you could have ended up with something

more like No, thank you It could have been something

very similar glad it wasn't but yeah All right,

well, I think we are gonna close this out and

I don't know if there will be another clip or

not The only thing I'm gonna say is as far as

a closing thing for this one is that Michael

will be back for episode 17 where we will be

reviewing the five faces of darkness Heck yeah,

you can follow us on Twitter. Mine is TFG one

podcast which actually will be changing here

in a couple of months that's a whole other story

and michaels is pecan court michael it's p e

a or wait no you you say it i don't know i don't

know how to spell it it's it's p e c a n c t

michael m i c h a e l and as i explained before

it's because i used to live off the kind of words

so we're going to end this clip before one of

us starts going on some sort of ramble drunken

rage or something else about about This huge

tan chapter has nothing to do with Transformers

whatsoever. That's right. Bring me the head of

Stan Bush. Hey! Wait a minute, dammit! Don't

be saying crap like that! What the hell? The

TFG1 podcast accepts no knowledge or responsibility

for anything that Michael Wilson says on this

podcast. Thanks everybody! Good night! That's

right. He can't be trusted. We'll see you later.

Is yet another clip of the transformers movie

roundtable I should have actually done this All

together, but didn't have all the people in place

at the time and joining me is Kevin Thompson

Who is my new co -host on tooncast? Hello, Kevin.

How's it going? Yeah, it's going It's one of

those lazy Sunday afternoons where hey nothing

better don't want by me since it's raining non

-stop right now, so It's raining where you are.

It's nice and sunny here. Of course. It's probably

like 85 degrees out Yeah, so we are here to discuss

more transformers the movie stuff with roundtable,

and I just I'm sorry to say to the listeners

that pretty much all of my voices on This episode

of the TFG one podcast it will basically be Me

saying the same thing over and over and over

again because that's all the notes that I have

So we're going to start out. Let's see. When

was the first time you saw the movie? I actually

saw it at a birthday party in the theater the

year it came out. Oh really? I got fortunate

enough to see it in the theater. Lucky bastard.

Yeah, none of us, none of the people that I've

interviewed or not even interviewed but discussed

it with so far, none of us have seen it. In theaters

when we were kids most of us saw it like one

to two years afterwards on VHS rental so yeah

I pretty much remember only seeing about three

movies from from my childhood in the theater

and one of them being Transformers one being

He -Man live -action and The Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtles, so those are the only three that I remember

actually seeing in the theater What was it like

as far as the theater experience for you? I mean

it like What was the movie like on the big screen?

It was crazy, especially given the age that I

was. It didn't matter what movie it was in the

theater. It was going to be kind of awestruck

seeing a movie in the theater. But it was mainly

all boys my age and moms and dads. And I just

remember it being very shock and awe. There was

either scenes where everybody was very much into

it and excited, and then obviously at the beginning

of the movie with a all the character deaths.

There's a lot of silence in the theater, a lot

of shock. Yeah, I can imagine that would have

been like that, especially with one death, which

we will be talking about here in a second. Speaking

of which, now be honest, did you cry when Prime

died? I honestly didn't, but I can tell you I

was... absolutely speechless remember in the

theater looking around at the people i was uh...

as in the theater with you know couple my friends

were just looking at each other like what the

heck just happened completely speechless even

to the point where it is kind of carried out

throughout the whole film i mean i think that

first time i watched in the theater there was

probably major parts of the movie that i'd have

no recollection of because i was still you know

going over my mind what the heck just happened

even to the point where i'm leaving the theater

you know still looking at my friends and stuff

like that were still speeches like is he going

to be in the cartoon again? Me and my group didn't

didn't necessarily cry but there's definitely

a lot of a lot of shock and speechlessness going

on there. I remember when I was eight years old

it wasn't this so much the death scene itself

that made me cry it was the last shot and by

that I mean the scene that was shown in every

trailer for that movie when Megatron blasts Prime

and he falls back and his leg goes up you know

what I'm talking about that scene every time

I saw that I just balled up You know, I was like,

what the hell are you doing, you idiots? Don't

kill our hero for Christ's sake. Right. I think

the scene that got my eyes almost watering to

the point where I could have cried was when he

was laying on the table and he actually turned

the gray color. And that was it. I did well up

a little bit almost there, not to the point where

I was actually crying, but it was darn close.

Yeah, yeah. Do you have the 20th anniversary

DVD? I do have the 20th anniversary as well as

the old VHS version as well. Yeah. Flint Dilley

says on the 20th anniversary that on the special

features on that that, you know, they didn't

know they were killing an icon. Like, you know,

they thought it was just, oh, well, that's the

84 line. We need to bring in the 85 line, you

know, the next year's line, because basically

it is a toy commercial. I mean, really, even

though there are storylines behind the cartoon.

Yeah, it basically is a toy commercial. The way

they explain that as far as emptying out the

one toy line and going with the other, I think

they had some good ideas there, and I think even

the killing of Prime definitely had the shock

factor. I just wish they wouldn't have killed

off everybody, because it made it very hard to

follow into the next season. I think if they

would have left at least a couple of those main

characters, maybe season three and so on would

have lasted a little bit longer. Well, at the

end, Bumblebee, Jazz, and Cliffjumper were the

three that got captured by Unicron with Spike

and Daniel that came out, but you very rarely

saw, and I'll get into this once I start the

Season 3 coverage in June, you very rarely saw

Bumblebee or... Jazz in in season 3. I think

there's like one or two episodes I can I can

I know there's one episode where blur has to

be sent on a mission and jazz is is doing some

race that blur wants to be in and But that's

pretty much it Yeah, I just I remember leaving

the theater it wasn't the part of the shock of

leaving the theater wasn't just obviously that

primed out It was that so like it didn't matter

who your favorite character was they weren't

in it anymore, and it was just like What am we

gonna watch now like and I think that was one

of the things I I have very little memory actually

of post movie seasons. I think that was one of

the things that kind of made me shift away for

a little while from Transformers into, you know,

that next wave of things, you know, Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles or whatever else was coming out

about that time. Yeah, yeah. If you could only

pick one character that you like out of the movie,

who would it be and why? This is gonna make me

sound like a hypocrite because I just said I

don't like the fact that how the The season one

season two characters were killed off, but actually

the my favorite character from the movie Ironically

is ultra Magnus one of the new ones So even though

you know obviously had a fun spot for all those

old characters The only it was pretty much the

only new character that I took a liking to right

away was ultra Magnus I didn't like I didn't

like Rodimus at first. You know I didn't like

Blur and cup and and a bunch of those other guys

I I think Springer and ultra Magnus that's where

about the only two characters I really took two

right away see I have a seething hatred for Springer

and I'll get into that later I'll get into that

a little bit later but yeah that yeah for me

as I've said before my favorite overall if I

only had to pick it'd be Hot Rod and Rodimus

because I think he has the most character most

character depth and He grows a lot throughout

the movie, so I mean he is, you know. Definitely

true. Definitely true. I think I liked Rodimus

more in the movie than I did in the seasons that

came afterwards. Yeah, season three. I think

what it was is I probably liked Hot Rod better

than I liked Rodimus. Yeah. I think Rodimus had

big shoes to fill and it was almost impossible

job to do. Oh yeah, that's pretty much probably

seven... Seven or... eight or nine cartoons out

of season three, he's complaining about that,

so. Oh, I can't live up to you, Optimus, and

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Going back to the

Flint Dilly thing, he also said some kid locked

himself in his room and wasn't going to come

out, and Flint goes, Flint says in the thing,

he says, it's a good thing the kid didn't know

that in season three we were going to bring Prime

back as a zombie. And then kill him off again.

Even more traumatic. Yeah, really. I did think

it was interesting of the impact that that had.

did have them killing off prime and obviously

everyone who's listening to this probably knows

about the whole correlation between that and

the G .I. Joe movie and the switch and that.

Oh, Duke's dead. Oh wait, no he's not. He's in

a coma. Which is weird because I don't have any

recollection of the GI Joe movie. I know I must

have watched it when I was a kid, but I honestly

couldn't tell you about two things about it except

for that change that they did. I have no idea.

I probably watched one episode of GI Joe my entire

life. It's not that I don't like it, and I've

said this before, it's not that I don't like

it, it's not that I don't have respect for what

it did for itself, but I just never got into

it. I wasn't a GI Joe kid. Right. It's just because

I didn't kill off Duke. Have you seen season

3 and Rebirth? I mean, have you seen the rest

of the cartoon from the 80s? I have, but I honestly

have not seen... I've seen it in a little while.

I've seen it originally and I've seen it once

after that and right now I'm just waiting until

this summer to watch it another time. Yeah, well

the reason why I ask is the next question I've

got is after 25 years do you think that the movie

and the G1 series holds up? I've had a lot of

arguments about this with other Transformers

fans. websites and forums and stuff like that

but honestly with all the different cartoons

that I've watched now as somewhat of an adult

here I actually think the Transformers cartoon

does hold up I mean yeah there's animation mistakes

yeah there's you know plot stuff that doesn't

really work out or you know different things

that are contradicting each other but as far

as just being able to sit down and watch it and

enjoy it I still can I mean I just this last

summer I've sat down with a two or three friends

and we watched probably five or six of the episodes

from season one or season two and we enjoyed

every one of them and it wasn't like some of

the other cartoons where you you watch like 10

minutes you're like I can't take any more of

this so I think it does hold up. Even though

the season 4 was, which basically was just rebirth,

as far as the US stuff goes, I don't get into

all the Japanese headmasters. No, I haven't either.

I don't get into all that crap, but as far as

rebirth goes, the only reason why it sucks as

far as animation goes is because it was done

in fucking Canada. And we all know from South

Park that everything is Canada's fault. That's

right. Well, and I think you've got to take into

account, too, even the animation errors in the

regular episodes. I mean, the time schedule they

were on and the fact that half of the stuff's

being done in the United States and half of it's

being done across seas and stuff like that. I

mean, you can't really fault them too much for

it. And the fact that we're still talking about

this 25 years later, I think that speaks for

itself as far as how does it hold up. Nobody's

talking about nobody's talking about go -bots

these days So obviously there's a difference

there I believe they had I believe they had their

own movie too, and I don't see any 25th anniversary

or Being released so you know Transformers holds

up. I know people argue with me on that, but

that's my opinion What was your favorite scene

in the movie? as morbid as this sounds. The death

scene? Yeah, the death scene in the beginning.

I mean, there's nothing that stands out more

than... I mean, as bad as it is, I was the type

of kid that watched cartoons, you know, always

wanting, you know, Wile E. Coyote to be killed

eventually, you know, or always wanting, you

know, that person that's always being chased

to finally get it and, you know, watching cartoons

in the 80s and, you know, all the... parent groups

that were out there you were never gonna see

that in a cartoon so actually getting to see

in a cartoon somebody that actually died was

something that I had actually been waiting for

as bad as that sounds and I just wish it wouldn't

have been all my favorite characters that scene

was definitely up there that's one of my favorites

Yeah, I think that scene, it's not my favorite,

I like it, but it's not my overall favorite.

But that scene, it really, it kind of threw people

for a loop because they didn't say anything in

Season 2 or previously about The Matrix at all.

It was just there. And then they created the

timeline behind it afterwards, going into Season

3. My scene was the end battle with... Rotten

or Hot Rod and Galvatron when they're inside

Unicron. That is just so awesome. I can see that

too. And I don't know, it's hard to pick a scene

from the beginning. I mean, yeah, the death scene

on the shuttle. But I think just that whole,

whatever, how long it was, that whole half hour

or 40 minutes that has the death scene followed

by eventually the battle in Autobot City. There's

just so much going on there. There's so many

characters to spot and to find and to follow.

You had all the cassettes fighting in the tower

there. You had Devastator. You had the blaster

sound wave thing. There's just so many things

going on there. Identifying which Autobot is,

you know, laying lifeless on the floor at one

point, or this and that, and then Optimus Prime

coming in with the theme song there. That 30

or 40 minutes is quite possibly my favorite 30

or 40 minutes in 25 years of Transformers. Yeah,

we'll get to the music here in a few minutes.

I've just written some basic notes. Taking in

account of the the age of the ship of the show

to the movie from eighty four two thousand five

spike is roughly between thirty six and thirty

eight years old in the movie and that's because

if you take in the fact that he was fifteen sixteen

in the show when it first aired in two thousand

five yeah he's uh... i actually didn't think

he would be that old uh... I gotta admit though,

going into the theater and seeing Spike and the

human characters in the theater, that was one

thing as a young person I was so confused about

because I was trying to, in my mind... I was

putting Spike as, you know, the dad from the

original cartoon, and it took me a while to figure

out, wait a second, this is in the future, and

that's the 15 -year -old from the cartoon. That

was one of the things I struggled with right

away in the theater. I'm like, wait, which person

is that? Which character is that? You know what's

funny? I just finished up my Season 2 coverage

on the podcast here, and they never make any

mention of what the hell happened to Sparkplug.

They never say nothing about it. He just like

disappeared He jumped into a black hole or something

and nothing else has ever said Because they age

spike to the point where he's an adult now, and

then they bring in Daniel, which is his son and

see what else. With all the absolute crap that

has come out in the Unicorn Trilogy and all these

different Transformers series, I won't get on

that too much. Why is someone not? Taking that

time period and making a series out of it I mean

if there was if there was ever an opening for

just an epic epic Transformers series that would

not only you know get the new fans But you know

get all of our all these old nostalgic. You know

old transformers fans in I mean that's there's

You know, quite a few decades there that could

have a lot of good stories. Yes, I am not wasting

my money on Energon or Cybertron or Armada. Good.

Good. No, no, no, no. I've been tempted a few

times, but no. Actually, I just found, as much

as I hate to admit it, I found Animated's Transform

and Rollout Disc. brand -new in sealed package

free shipping six bucks on ebay i just bought

that earlier uh... animated animated will be

my next step and i have watched he won't be source

these machines and i've suffered through one

or two episodes of each of the other ones before

i before i throw them out uh... but animated

will definitely be the next one that i want to

give animated chance give it a very slim chance

at first wait wait until you get to like the

end of season two before you start making judgments

because season three is just awesome it's just

been so great season three uh... megatron begging

for mercy is stupid we all know that he will

make a play to win i mean that just doesn't uh...

i mean i know it's the eighties and i know they

probably weren't sure what the hell they were

doing, but that's just not in his character.

Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. It seems

so out of his character after watching the first

two seasons for him, you know, to be doing that.

You're like, what is going on right now? I don't

understand this. Going on to the music a little

bit, Dare and The Touch. The Touch, every time

I hear The Touch by Stan Bush, I think of Optimus

Prime. That is his theme. And as far as Dare

goes, in the early scene where Hot Rod's going

to... Down the mountain. Yeah, Down the Mountain.

I mean, that is Hot Rod's theme. It just is.

That's just the way it is. The cassettes versus

cassettes was really cool. It was kind of funny.

Yeah, that was awesome. That was awesome to see.

Especially, that's not the normal cassettes that

you had seen necessarily throughout the first

two seasons, and it was good to see some of those

guys. Especially the new ones. Yeah, well, actually

the only new one that they introduced as far

as from Soundwave was Ratbat. And then they introduced

all the ones from Blaster, Eject, Rewind, Ramhorn,

and Steeljaw. And then they carried over into

Season 3. See, and that was an easier transition

for me than some of the other new characters

they threw in there because we'd already seen

cassettes and other different versions that made

sense. But yeah, that scene with those guys battling

each other was quite cool. I didn't actually

count the beginning of the battle scene, but...

20 plus Decepticons versus 10 Autobots and a

little boy That always got me because it was

just standard in the cartoon for there to be

like decepticons But in the beginning in season

one you had way more Autobots than than Decepticons

Yeah, and right from the beginning like if you

even look at like the toy catalog from the first

year Decepticons you have Soundwave Megatron

and the Seekers basically, and you know, Autobots,

you have Prime, you have the little ones like

Cliffjumper and Bumblebee, you have all the Carbots,

you know, Mirage, Wheeljacket, etc., and for

a long time there was always more Autobots, which

kind of was kind of stamped in my mind, and then

you have that scene where there's more Decepticons,

it almost seemed like it was a flipping of the

script there from what we were introduced with

originally in the cartoon. I can just count on...

my hand of the ones I noticed obviously the insecticons

Megatron Starscream Soundwave Thrust Durs Ramjet

Thundercracker Skywarp Devastator, I mean there's

just tons of them right yeah, and there was the

it was just so I'd be and obviously you know

the Not all the autobots were there there was

a lot of other places, but it was just like the

first time that I can remember I mean obviously

it probably happened in the cartoon, but the

first significant time where I'm remembering

seeing more Decepticons on screen than autobots

See I think the problem is the problem was half

of the original autobots were still on Cybertron

you had you had optimus iron hide jazz cliff

jumper bumblebee spike and Everybody else was

on on the on them well on the moon bases on on

cyber time but they're on the moon bases and

then all the earth auto lots are all the new

characters and like uh... it kind of gets to

a point where as always kinda disturbed with

the movie not necessarily disturbed i guess it's

wrong word but with the characters that You know

some of them were written into the movie originally

got cut or some of them were on storyboards I

got deleted etc But those characters that we

just never got to see what you know We never

got to see him again after season 2 they just

kind of disappeared off the face of the earth

and would have been You know nice to see him

somewhere in that in that movie. So at least

we had a little I don't know if you've gone over

to Predacon Empire yet, but on one of my blog

posts over there, I think it's my G1 screenshots,

I actually posted a screenshot of where Devastator

is tearing open the wall of the base. Is it just

me, or does he look more menacing in the movie

than he did in the cartoon? Oh yeah, he looks

very menacing, especially in that battle for

Autobot City. Of course, until the point where

he gets into Astrotrain somehow and decides to

try to combine inside of it. Yeah, that makes

no sense. That wasn't so menacing, but yeah,

when he's tearing through stuff on Autobot City

and some of the scenes that they did... I've

scoured the internet and found some pretty good

pages with the deleted storyboards and even in

some of those scenes he looks menacing and much

more menacing than he was portrayed in the cartoon.

Yeah, I think one of my other favorite... like

you know best thing to watch especially animation

was the reformatting of megatron into galvatron

just just seeing that just seeing the way that

they showed his insides oh yeah and then they

follow that up with the most confusing the most

confusing reformatting scene after that i mean

they had this completely kick ass Megatron into

Galvatron and then they had to leave the next

scene to be debated by Transformers fans for

the next couple decades about who was reformatted

into who after that. See, I always thought it

was the Insecticons and Thundercracker. I remember

seeing Thundercracker. I don't remember who turned

into who, but since I have been rewatching it,

I haven't watched it before we did this recording,

but I did watch it like a couple of nights ago,

and I don't get the whole point of Cyclonus and

his armada. What the hell? I don't know. I guess

the best argument I've heard, I don't know if

I necessarily buy into it, but the best one I've

heard is the whole insecticon cloning ability

and turning it into this armada of different

sweeps that I guess somewhat explains part of

it. But it just seems like they switched one

character in that reformatting scene and they

should have just had... Thundercracker and Skywarp

if I remember as the main two and the Insecticons

should have been the rest of the sweeps and they

just made a switch that confused the heck out

of most people. Yes and then of course there's

always the oh shit controversy. Well I believe

it is I don't know if it's on the 20th anniversary

DVD that they talk about that in the special

features or if it's on another interview that

I've heard. No it's on the DVD. It's on the DVD

where they talk about trying to get that movie

just to be able to be shown past whatever time

it was that you couldn't Was it six o 'clock

or seven o 'clock? Well? No what it was was they

wanted to they wanted to distinguish the movie

From other g -rated animation films at the time

and the only way to do that was to put in some

Language that was gonna because it back then

they didn't have PG 13 they had G PG and R and

obviously you can't put 16 different You know

fucks in there else. It's gonna be in NC 17 or

triple X. You know so but that i can't remember

if it was flint dilly or somebody else that i've

heard though that said said something about we

we put it in their date to bump our rating up

and so that we could we could show it past the

the matinee time for the afternoon times yeah

it was probably something like that but i remember

it as far as uh... i have to go back and watch

it but i remember them talking about it as far

as you know distinguishing the rating and then

of course when the vhs came out it's like oh

it's in there no it's not always there no it's

not enough which version do you have But and

then the other thing they didn't really talk

about it was I mean they yeah Oh shit was was

a big controversy, but they didn't talk about

Magnus open damn it open Right no one ever mentioned

that I don't think No, I forget which episode

of all things transformers. It was but we had

I had come up with a ranting Discussion topic

on one of the episodes the Hot Rod Springer RC

love triangle Don't even get don't even get me

started because this is where my seething hatred

for Springer comes in because the way I look

at it is Hot Rod and RCR spoke the way they portrayed

them in the movie together they're supposed to

be a couple and then you have Springer on the

outside just being a little jackass trying to

get under a skid plate, but you know, I don't

know, it's just whatever. See, I always thought

it would be better if they would have left that

as Springer and R .C. as the couple and let Hot

Rod be the leader, kind of the bad boy of the

group. But yeah, the triangle disturbs me. Yes,

very much so. Going back into the music a little

bit, did you ever have the original CD soundtrack?

I did not, unfortunately, have that soundtrack.

I didn't when it first came out, but I found

it somewhere and I bought it like brand new.

Did you get the 20th anniversary soundtrack when

it came out? No, I've been slacking on the soundtrack.

You should go to iTunes right now and buy it.

I'm just going to run down the 20th anniversary

original soundtrack list. The only difference

is there's four extra songs on the 20th anniversary.

You've got The Touch, Instruments of Destruction,

Death of Optimus Prime, Dare, Nothing's Gonna

Stand in Our Way, The Transformers Themed by

Lion, Escape, Hung Escape is Vince Ticola, Hunger

is Spectre General, Autobot Decepticon Battle

which is Vince, Dare to be Stupid which is weird

Al, and then the four bonus tracks are by, they're

all by Vince except for the Transformers alternate

theme that's by Stan Bush, is Unicron Medley

which is the intro to the movie, The Moonbase

2 scene where the shuttle is going to launch

and then Megatron must be stopped which is the

stuff that I think plays during that battle after

the touch is over. And I really enjoyed having,

I actually have them both but I really enjoy

the 20th anniversary better because of those

extra tracks. uh... why the fuck is there a weird

al song transformers movie that's that's a good

question but honestly i was going into uh...

the soundtrack and look at it back in the eighties

who was who was picked to be honest it seems

like the most weird compilation of you know people

to put on a soundtrack and to have songs in the

movie but it all worked and then it all worked

in the the touch and and there and i mean Songs

are just sticking your head forever as far as

a transformer fan You just always hear that kind

of going in the background when you're doing.

Oh, yeah Well, they said in the transformers

Q &A on the on the on the 20th anniversary DVD.

They said that They were going for a rock soundtrack

They wanted to distinguish it from every other

thing that animation was doing including the

music And I I agree. I mean, I I don't think

I can listen to Escape or obviously the Autobot

Decepticon battle. I don't think I could listen

to those notes without thinking about what happened

in the movie. Right, and I think they did a good

job of distinguishing themselves from all the

other types of cartoon movies that were put out

there I mean whether it be the music the death

scenes You know all the different stuff they

put into this is this is why this is such a cult

You know favorite and and why it stood up compared

to you know all the other like we've mentioned

We've mentioned that they're you know the GI

Joe movie there was There was a go -bots movie.

I know there was I just never have watched it

and there you know there was all these other

cartoon movies, but None of them have lasted

as long as this, and it's not just because Transformers

as a series has been so popular, it's because

of the lengths that they took to distinguish

themselves as not just this kiddie cartoon movie.

Yeah, I can agree with that. And that's even

without some of the scenes that they cut out.

Yeah. You asked me what my favorite scene was

and I would venture to say that if they had left

that Ultra Magnus scene in where he gets quartered

that might have been my favorite scene even though

he was one of my favorite characters just because

that's just... Wow. Yeah, there was a lot of

stuff that was cut out. Right. I believe it's

still Flynn Dill that talks about that in one

of his interviews about some of the other death

scenes that they had that they cut out. He didn't

even go into which characters and stuff like

that, but he says if you would have seen some

of that stuff, you would have been blown away.

Originally the movie, if you listen to the fan

commentary on the DVD, the fans say that the

original script was ten times as violent as what...

What we got supposedly I believe in the scene

where Megatron is is killing everybody on the

ship in the beginning supposedly he grabs I think

it's bronze head and just rips it right off or

something and Obviously, yeah, you need to tone

that down for kid Yeah, and then I believe they're

supposed to be to a good like a gauntlet scene

type thing in an Autobot city where there was

a a barrage of people going through and that's

supposedly where a bunch more of the uh... the

g one or the season one characters again killed

but we later see with uh... wheelchair yeah well

until somebody pointed out to me i'd actually

go back and pause that scene where rc is dragging

uh... because i didn't know uh... i didn't know

who was at first i didn't really notice it my

positive on that scene where it shows its wind

charger and wheeljack It's like yeah, and I believe

at one point one of them was supposed to be smoke

screen But it had got switched by by somebody

last minute. But yeah that there was that scene.

There's this the scene that's always debated

about the What was that in unit on Unicron or

and where they have the? Transformers going across.

Yeah at the end. Yeah and dropping into the pit

there that the acid. Yeah Yeah, about some of

the characters that might or might not. Oh, yeah.

I mean, there's so many debates that you could

do because there's so... You basically have to

break that down frame by frame to find out. Oh,

yeah. And I have done that, but it's still hard.

It's still very hard. But I think that's another

thing that makes the movie so cool is that you

know these debates that you can keep going and

you can actually go back and you know that's

why I like the one of the best features about

that 20th anniversary DVD is going back and doing

some of the you know the Easter eggs that you

can stop and and watch certain things like the

Storyboard or whatever you want to call it for

ultra Magnus is quartering a couple of things

I think that's pretty much it unless you have

any other thoughts. I can't think of any at the

moment. Just an awesome trip down memory lane

all the way from back in the theater to looking

back at the 20th anniversary edition. It's been

a good trip. I think I've said this on the other

clips that it's kind of sad that the 25th anniversary

is just this year. And I believe it's, I think

it's August 8th or 9th of 2014 will be the 30th

anniversary. So you know that they're going to

come out with a 30th anniversary in line. I'll

be looking forward to it. Yeah, exactly. Alright,

well we're gonna end this clip. I don't know

if this will be the last clip on the roundtable.

Not sure. I'm actually trying to line up a few

other fans Hopefully I can get them in this week

because I have to get it to the editor by I think

Friday So yeah, so we're gonna end this clip

and we'll see you next time. Bye Hello and welcome

to the TFG1 podcast epic episode 16 the transformers

movie roundtable This will be most definitely

the last clip and joining me is Pia of YouTube.

Hello. Hey, how you doing? I'm doing pretty good.

Why don't you give the listeners a little bit

of background on yourself? Well, I've been collecting

since Since they toys started coming out. I remember

getting my first bumblebee at Sears back in 1984

Maybe even 1983 like that Christmas beforehand,

but I'm not positive I've been collecting since

they came out and and then now I do reviews on

YouTube. I'm pretty active over on TFW2005 Yeah,

that's about it Yeah, like Transformers. Yeah,

everybody likes everybody should like Transformers

So actually did I pull that script up yes, I

did so basically this I'm not thinking straight

today. It's Sunday. It happens exactly Basically,

I had written down a bunch of questions and asked

my original people that I was going to be co

-hosting with and we're just going to kind of

run through those and then after that we'll just

wing it. Because I have got like several different

The first question is, when was the first time

that you saw the movie? I saw the movie, we were

living on base in Alabama. My dad was in the

Air Force and we saw it on the base theater.

It took me to the base theater and we went and

saw it there and it was just this little building

next to the shopette. But it was really cool.

I remember going and seeing it. It was late.

I got to stay up late and finished around 10

o 'clock and came home and told my parents, I'll

tell my mom all about it. My dad had seen it

with me. Yeah, that's cool. I'm not one of the

ones that got to see it in theaters. I saw it

like one to two years later on VHS. Oh yeah,

I wore a VHS tape from the local video store

out. Anytime I had a sleepover, we rented that

tape. Be honest, did you cry when Prime died?

Oh, I totally bawled. I was like nine, I think.

Yeah, I totally bawled. I was like eight or nine.

Actually, I didn't cry really where people think

you would cry, which is during the death scene.

Started balling as soon as I saw that last shot

and his foot goes up in the air and he falls

down Right before he does the whole you know

Before he swings at Megatron thing Yeah, if you

could only pick one character that you liked

out of the movie who would it be and why? Out

of the movie. Yes one character. Oh, man. That's

a tough one because there were some good characters

in the movie I liked hot rod Now I'm replaying

the whole movie in my head. It would have to

be Hot Rod or Cup, and I think I'd probably...

Actually, you know what? I think it would have

to be Cup. Hot Rod was cool, but I love that

scene where the Decepticons are attacking and

Cup transforms into a car mode and rushes Blitzwing

and then transforms and does that flip around

as cannon and yanks it up. I think that's still

one of my favorite all -time Transformers action

scenes. To see, they kind of homage that in the

movie with Jazz jumping up on... brawl so Yeah,

I am I Like that scene actually hot rod is hot

rod slash Rodimus is my favorite character out

of the movie Just because he had he has the most

character depth. He has the most character growth

in the entire thing Well, that was kind of the

point though. They were that movie was really

just setting him up to become the new leader

So they kind of had to develop him. That's true

Let's see After 25 years, do you think that the

movie and the G1 series overall holds up? I think

the movie itself holds up fairly well. Just because,

like I said, they went with a cohesive storyline

for two hours. The cartoon, I think, still holds

up a little bit. It's certainly under nostalgia,

but I don't know if you try to put that on the

air today how successful it would be. I can't

think of exactly how I want to explain it. The

movie I think would definitely still hold up

nowadays. The cartoon I think they'd have to

rework a little bit if they wanted it to stay

on the air as long as the original did at least.

Yeah. Certainly they'd have to improve the animation

quality to compete with today's. Yes, well they

are restoring it with this new 25th anniversary

Matrix of Leadership. Collectors set edition

DVD set coming out so at least they're gonna

remaster it at least they're gonna probably color

-correct the original that way Maybe there won't

be so many animation flubs. Yeah That'll be the

third version of the entire series I've owned

It'll be I actually Stupidly went on eBay when

I still had a good influx of income coming in

and I bought all the Rhino sets for over $300,

but I had all the Rhino sets, I bought them as

they came out and got them really cheap. And

then I sold them when I got that Chinese box

set where they're all in one box. Oh no, I hate

that. I have it too. I thought it was a pretty

decent release and I just like having them all

in one package. It just took up less space on

my DVD shelf. But I am looking forward to this

25th anniversary release that they're talking

about doing because it sounds like it's going

to be better than both of those in every way.

My only complaint about that is they're not going

to be releasing any of Rhino Extras on the new

set, which I think they should at least get,

since they're not going to do that, they should

at least get new interviews with like Flint Dilley

and Buzz Dixon and David Wise, who has had an

interview on the Season 4 disc. Yeah. Let's see,

what was your favorite scene in the movie? We

kind of covered that a little bit, but... Yeah,

well, that was one of my favorite scenes. I liked

the underwater scene on Quintesson. Oh, Quintesson.

Where, yeah, when Hot Rod's saving cut from the

shark decons, or the fish. I just thought the

animation in that was really, really good. It

looked like they were underwater. Yeah, it's

very hard to animate water in general, and it's

very hard to animate underwater, so they did

pretty... Yeah, that was a good one too. Yeah,

that was a good one too. Yeah, that was a good

one too. Yeah, that was a good one too. Yeah,

that was a good one too. Yeah, that was a good

one too. I think Shockwave was only shown twice

in the entire film. Yeah, Shockwave kind of got

the short end of the stick there, and I think

he definitely deserved more screen time. Yep.

There's just some notes that I put together when

I first watched the movie to do this whole roundtable

thing. I averaged out the timeline of the series

and the movie, and in the movie, Spike is around

between 36 and 38 years old. He has to be. Yeah,

if you assume that he was around 20 or he was

around 16 when they landed Yeah, which is he'd

have to be about in the movie took place. I think

21 years 2005 to 84 yeah something that yeah,

yeah Yes, we'd have to eat have to be like 37

going back to that whole the whole timeline between

the movie and the series What the hell have they

been doing for the last 26 years? I mean, okay

the series ended in 87 and then Just going through

the actual timeline of the series of the movie

What that well even when the series ended? I

think they were supposed to be in like 2005 2006

because you know Galvatron was in that yeah,

that's okay Well, so that had to have taken place

after the movie so would basically but between

season 2 and yeah That's what I was gonna say

basically that that timeline. That's what I meant

Just based on what we see in the movie clearly

they established aside from just living out of

the arc They established a city there on earth

Which means they probably worked together like

it mean they probably made some sort of deal

with with humans, you know, like Clearly they

were no longer living in secret, you know, like

I know they talked about it at the end of of

You know more than meets the eye there was a

hole and all the humans donated fuel and then

the other ended up not happening because of the

series went on but um So clearly they established

some sort of peaceful coexistence Earth maybe

even like the deceptive maybe even some sort

of deal where You know the the Decepticons got

Cybertron in exchange for leaving Earth alone

because when he stood in the movie starts the

Decepticons are all on side full control Earth

seems to be at peace and and the Autobots are

just kind of have a couple of secret bases on

the moons Yeah, see that's what I was that's

what I was wondering about another note. I had

you know what? How is it that the Decepticons

have full control of Cybertron? Before the events

of them. I mean they have full control before

the events of the movie I mean in the series

in seasons 1 & 2 They're pretty much the only

ones on Cybertron until we I think we find out

about the female Autobots But I think that was

season 3 that that happened. Well, it wasn't

that wasn't Alpha Trion still there I mean what

they're still pockets of resistance a lot about

resistance on Yeah, they're just yeah there were

but that but that's what I'm saying. It seems

like in the movie that The only people that are

on Cybertron now are Decepticons. So what happened

to all those other... What happened to all those

other Autobots? I have no idea. In the Prime

Megatron battle, did Prime uppercut Megatron

when he flew up in the air? When who flew up

in the air? When Megatron flies up in the air

and tries to come down on Prime, it looks like

Prime uppercuts him and he falls back away. But

I can't be sure. Huh. I'm not entirely sure.

Oh, does he uppercut? I didn't think he... He

punched him. He did something. I'm trying to

remember that scene. Yeah, he did something.

I know he did the two -handed backhand, but that

was after he'd fallen. Yeah, I have to say prime

uppercut. I have to say so too. Megatron begging

for mercy is a stupid plot point. We all know

he's gonna make a play to win. I mean... Yeah,

he's probably just, you know, obviously he was

just goading Prime on and then dumb. As much

as I like Hot Rod, dumbass Hot Rod has to interfere.

I think that was not so much a, uh, he thought

he was actually going to get it. Clearly the

audience knew he was a bad guy, but Megatron

was smart enough to know that Optimus was somebody

who would not... Just kill somebody in cold blood

and by pleading for mercy he would he was kind

of appealing to this that that What he sees as

a weakness in optimus and that he knew optimus

would hesitate if he started showing even if

it was insincere You know even knowing that like

optimus would at least be willing to take that

chance On a peaceful resolution then just flat

-out killing Megatron I think is what happened.

Yeah, that's true. Going into those early scenes

when the music first starts up and stuff, I truly

believe that obviously the touch is Optimus'

theme. Every time I hear that song, I think of

Optimus Prime. But also, in another regard, Dare

is Hot Rod's theme. It has to be. Yeah, I'll

agree with that. Yeah, because every time he's

shown, that song plays. There's that, and even

when you see the touch playing as, you know,

Rodimus gets the Matrix there at the end, I mean,

you still hear Optimus talking. It's like Optimus

is, you know, talking to him through the Matrix,

and that's why the touch is playing there. Did

you know that you have the 20th anniversary DVD,

right? Oh, yeah. I think I've got two copies.

I've got the... Well, not the 20th anniversary,

but I've got several copies of the DVD as well.

Did you know, have you looked at the trailers

on that at all? For the movie? Um, I have. It's

been a while. Yeah, it's been a while. I looked

at it when I was doing this whole write -up and

I noticed something. The only two people that

they advertise for music in the movie is Stan

Bush, obviously, and Weird Al. They say nothing

about Vince DiCola. At all. In the - In the trailer,

the main two that they that they advertises,

Stan and Weird Al. Cassettes vs. cassettes equals

awesome. That was just so funny. They should

have done that more. Oh, they totally should

have done that more. I love that whole scene.

One, just cassettes vs. Perceptor was funny.

Yeah, but having all of them run around and fight

together like I would love to see more of that

where they have like the Autobots fighting You

know the autobots and the septic guns are fighting

like this Massive scale and then on this much

smaller scale having like Ravage and frenzy and

eject and all of them kind of tussling like completely

inconsequentially down around their feet I'm

having a hard. I didn't go through and count

them all, but I'm having a hard time Deciding

on what is fair in this movie 20 plus Decepticons

versus 10 Autobots and a little boy give me a

break Well, but I mean that's just kind of the

Autobots are always supposed to be the underdogs.

I mean they end up so Is it just me or does Devastator

look more menacing in in the movie because I

took a I took a screenshot with my iPhone When

he's ripping apart the base right before prime

and the Dino bots arrive And he just looks a

hell of a lot more evil in the movie than he

ever did in season one or season two. I think

they just gave him more facial expression. Like

in the movie, he actually looked like he was

enjoying tearing the stuff apart because they

animated him that way. And in the cartoon, they

were, I don't know whether for budget reasons

or whatever, but he was always just kind of the

dumb, I'm going to smash this. So they didn't

give him any emotion. when they've got him just

tearing into this building. I think it was just

an animation choice. But yeah, he does look more

better than the movie. The reformatting of Megatron

into Galvatron is fucking awesome. It just is.

I mean, just to see how they animated that was

just so cool. Yeah, I would like to just they

got a little bit more in detail than just kind

of the swirling when he actually yeah forms But

the way the but the way they're like he got hit

with that purple light and then kind of split

apart And you saw all the like diodes and electronics

underneath. I thought you know Ravage only has

two scenes in the entire movie. He has the battle

with perceptor and blaster and he comes out in

in Astro train when the Decepticons are fighting

amongst each other Don't know why I noticed that

maybe because I noticed in the first two seasons

where they they use ravage a lot more than they

did after the movie and subsequent seasons I

Don't know After Galvatron, and I've always thought

this after Galvatron just disintegrate Starscream

To nothing the the left part of his foot almost

looks like the toy foot of sound wave of g1 sound

wave It just kind of looks like that to me even

though I know it's not I don't know, it always

looked like that to me. Oh yeah, you know what?

I never really pay attention to that. For some

odd reason I always do. I don't know why. Next

time I watch that I'm going to keep an eye on

it. Let's see. At least the power struggle finally

ends. Well, kind of. You know, the whole ghost

thing in season 3, but other than that, the rating

and the oh shit controversy. Yeah, well that

didn't bother me so much. I mean that's that

I'd say something like that Oh, yeah, and that's

what they said on the 20th anniversary DVD They

they said that number one with the tone and the

language of the movie They wanted to distinguish

it from other animated films at the time and

obviously back then we only had G PG or R. We

didn't have PG -13. Yeah. And then some some

copies of the previous like the VHS version of

the movie some copies have it some don't and

then obviously Yeah, I remember I remember I

used to wonder if it was actually there because

I got I remember hearing in the theater And then

the VHS copy we used to always rent didn't have

it. And I'm like, was I just imagining that?

Because this was before the internet really.

So I couldn't confirm that with anybody. I had

a couple of friends who were like, I think I

remember hearing it, but none of us were. We

just kind of convinced ourselves that maybe we

were just making that up. So it was nice later

on when they re -released it and just talking

to people on the boards that it ended up being.

It ended up actually being there because for

a while there. I thought actually for a while

I thought I was going crazy because somebody

told me that there was a Completely separate

version of the movie where hot rod gets the matrix

straight off not Magnus, and I was like what

are you talking about? There's no way Yeah, I

don't know On an earlier episode of All Things

Transformers, I think it was like episode 14

or 15, I forget. We're going to record episode

22 tomorrow. The Hot Rod Springer RC Love Triangle.

Just don't even get me started. Don't even get

me started. I never really cared much about that.

In the movie, they make it look like Hot Rod.

and RC are supposed to be the quote -unquote

robotic parents of Daniel obviously Spike is

off with Bumblebee you know running around the

galaxy we don't know where Carly is at this point

you know it just makes it seem like that and

then all of a sudden dumbass green bastard Springer

comes in and ruins everything I don't know whatever

what do you think of the music and did you ever

own the original or the new soundtrack I own

both yeah What do you mean by new soundtrack?

From the recent live action movie? No, the 20th

anniversary DVD original soundtrack when they

added the four new songs. Oh, I actually haven't

managed to catch that one yet. I did on the original

soundtrack. I actually had it on LP. I actually

had it on vinyl when it came out. And then I

had it on cassette tape. then and then I bought

a CD I guess about five or six years ago I bought

like every print actually was it was longer than

that was in college but I actually got a copy

of the CD yeah I have a copy of the original

and I have the 20th anniversary from iTunes the

only difference is that like I said they added

four songs they added the unicorn medley from

the beginning of the movie They added the main

base to slash shuttle launch Music they added

Megatron must be star stopped parts one and two

which I think was a different I think Vince DiCola

did something else called not till all our one

but in a In their darkest hour and he reformatted

that into Megatron must be stopped parts one

and two and then there's an alternate version

of the actual movie theme by Stan Bush So that's

really the only difference everything else is

is pretty much The same. How the hell is Weird

Al Yankovic in a Transformers movie? That's just

soundtrack choice. Let's say how the hell is

Lincoln Park in a Transformers movie. It's actually

funny. Dare to be Stupid is almost like the junkie

on Steam from the movie. Hell, at first, I didn't

even know what he was saying when I first saw

it as a kid. What the heck is that song? Because

I never heard of Weird Al when I was younger.

No, I had. I knew who Weird Al was very much

when I first saw the movie. That's pretty much

all the notes I have. Do you have any other thoughts

on the movie? I really liked it. I mean, I know

it's kind of a cliche thing, but that was one

of the big movies. Partly because, like I said,

my dad was in the Air Force. That was one of

those, one of the rare times when like me and

him actually did something together at the time.

And I don't mean that in any way to sound like,

you know, my dad neglected me or anything. I

had a really, a fairly decent relationship with

my dad. He was always busy with work. So it was,

I just remember it was one of the few times that

like, well, especially when we were living in

Alabama, because he was also going to Air War

College there at Maxwell Air Force Base. So he

was always busy. And I just remember seeing,

I remember going to see it with him. So it has

a lot of good childhood memories. And like I

said, I think it still more or less stands up

today. I still watch it every now and then I

pull it out and just pop it in. Yep. Yeah, like

you said, as far as wearing out the rental, I

did that with Transformers and the Secret of

the Sword VHS, the He -Man She -Ra movie. I was

written that all the time. Yeah, I remember my

sister like sheer. I remember we watched that

what we watched that one quite a few times All

right, would you like to pimp out your YouTube

channel like you got any new videos coming up?

Or what do you have currently that oh? Jeez,

I've got I've got a lot of videos coming up I

got a friend of mine on one of the other transformer

boards was cleaning out his collection So like

I got all those all those alternators you see

on my channel coming soon I got him for I think

10 or 15 bucks each So I've got all those alternators

come in I've got the red red build team coming

which is one of my favorite Sets from the robots

in the skies line And there are and and Ravage

and Jetfire are gonna be here soon, so They got

Ravage just shipped out the day and Jetfire should

be shipping on the movie line Oh, no, I'm just

saying in general That that's big stuff coming

up I don't know. I can't think so. I think we're

gonna finally close out this epic sin 16th episode

Next up coming June 5th. You will hear myself

and pecan court Michael talk about the five faces

of darkness five part of that starts out season

three of us in season one season three uh...

daddy i need to watch that again i've been meaning

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have any time to do anything. Uh, for now, I

am Michael Blanchard, saying in the immortal

words of Optimus Prime, transform and roll out,

and thank you for listening. Until next time.

This is the end of the road Galvatron Hello and

welcome to the TFG1 podcast. This is another

clip with another co -host of mine, Optimus Scourge

from TFW. Hello. Hey. How's it going? Doing all

right, doing all right. We are here to discuss

Transformers the movie, the animated movie. Let's

see, going into my questions just to go ahead

and get this kicked off. When was the first time

that you saw the movie? Believe it or not, I

actually was in 1986. I was 10 years old. I saw

this in a movie theater and you know the whole

line from Spike what we didn't know about was

oh my god you know yeah that there that was pretty

dramatic at the time for the 80s you got to think

things are a little different back then but I'll

be honest you know watching that movie in the

theater was all great and everything and I and

I watched prime die and actually you know had

tears in my eyes and stuff but you know It eventually

gets to the point where the junkie -ons fix Magnus.

I'm like, okay, well, they fixed Magnus, so I'm

just sitting around basically the rest of the

movie waiting for them to fix Prime because they

just fixed Magnus. Then why aren't they fixing

Prime? And then it was over, and you know, it's

kind of a love -hate thing. Obviously, from childhood,

it kind of killed Transformers for me, and you

know, they were getting on in the years that

the headmasters came out, and I had a few of

those, but... I was getting older into comic

books and then girls and music, stuff like that.

So I kind of faded away for a little while. Then

when Car Robots RID came out, I hooked up with

Tony Sight and Transfandom 2005 boards and been

back into collecting ever since and have come

to love the movie. And understand certain parts

of why they did it for toy sales and stuff like

that. But I definitely say I'm a fan of the movie.

I don't say you're not a true fan if you don't

like it or don't like it, but I mean I definitely

respect it for what it is. A lot of my thing

about the movie too is that a lot of it was written

during season one and two, so like the question

is why isn't Superion in here helping kick, you

know, Devastator's butt? And you know, just a

lot of mistakes and stuff like that. Yeah, but

you kind of have to look over the mistakes though.

I mean just be due because it was a separate

thing produced separately Yeah, exactly and especially

you had the bit the main voices is the main voices,

but it was Hollywood. Yep Well, if it was g1

it was still Hollywood for its time. Oh, yeah

spike saying, you know SH ID right There's like

what you know, you weren't expecting that from

Transformers. They're supposed to be good and

wholesome Dude, don't worry about cursing. My

podcast is explicit, so it doesn't matter. This

is not a kid -friendly show. Well, I have two

kids myself, so I like to be kid -friendly when

I'm on, so. That's fine. Actually, the Optimus

Prime dying was my second question. Be honest,

did you cry when Optimus Prime died? But we already

covered that. Well, yeah. I'll answer it again.

It brought tears to my eyes because, like I said,

I was 10 years old, and I think... If as a fan

I saw prime dying now, I'd probably feel very

moved not quite the same as I was then but yeah

You know the whole thing where spikes they're

saying it prime You can't die and then you see

them just go black and spikes crying You just

feel all this emotion as a little kid to kind

of bring me back giving me a little You know

chills right now actually just talking about

it But yes, it was very moving for me and you

know, obviously not in the great way But it was

a very moving scene I mean the way that was done

the music that was playing everything like that

the You know the little thing going flatline

in and him handing it over to Magnus and stuff

and yeah. Oh, yeah Definitely definitely affected

all of us. I thought I would say yeah, actually

in the in the clip after this one the the last

clip of this episode will be the one with me

and Pia and I actually said to him that Someone

told me once after the movie was released because

I didn't see it until after it came out on video

And I rented the hell out of that video cassette.

I probably oh, yeah Yeah, so did I when I got

back into transformers. I did the same thing

Yeah, I probably ruined the only copy that the

video store up the street from me had at the

time Yeah But I said to him somebody told me

that there was an alternate version of it of

the movie that had been released with the unedited

one No, well, I don't know if it's an unedited

one or not, but the heat no the it there is one

that was edited I'm not sure what version it

was or whatever oh no no right right where they

took the old shit out right yeah yeah no what

I'm talking about is someone told me that there

was a completely different version of it where

hot rod got the matrix before Magnus did There's

scenes in there that like you when you see that

happen into Magnus He actually gets torn apart.

It was only because it was deemed too violent

and they would have gotten an R rating There

was no PG -13. It was a PG or R back at the time

Yeah, and there is a scene cut from the movie

right there You'll hear the scream if you listen

to the audio when Magnus when Magnus bites it

basically when Galvatron kills him He actually

is ripping him in half and just just destroying

him. You'll hear one of those like kind of Wilhelm

If you could only pick one character that you

liked out of the movie, who would it be and why?

Welker doesn't ever go to any shows I've been

to many bot cons and shows and I've lucky enough

to met Peter calling on several occasions and

actually talked to him and Stuff like that. I've

never met mr. Welker, so I'd have to go with

Peter call in the upper hand Especially we're

seeing when he finally does get get it off a

Megatron. Yeah, you know he he transforms and

he's got to be stopped no matter the cost. That's

the moving moment for me. And then he just flips

up in the air and starts wasting them and they're

really dying. And you're like, yes, Optimus is

going to kick everyone's ass and everything's

going to be OK. And then Hot Rod gets involved.

Well, now, OK. And I've said this and people

will know that if that's what you'll know well

people know we'll know after they because obviously

there's clips before this one, but hot rod actually

is hot rod slash Rodimus is my favorite character

out of the movie because He has the most character

depth. He has the most growth throughout the

movie and of course That's the whole point of

the movie is the whole point. You know that is

the whole point of the movie He is gonna he has

to step up and and become the leader once optimist

dies So, I mean, I love Optimus Prime as much

as I do, but as far as the movie and looking

at it from, you know, an objective point of view

and not just go all fanboy, you know, Rodimus

would be my favorite out of the movie. Oh, especially

the way he wrapped it up. Yeah, definitely. I

would agree with that. After 25 years, do you

think the movie, and the G1 series in general,

holds up? Well personally the G1 series was designed

to be a cartoon to sell toys. so um while I am

of somewhat of that opinion and I agree with

that statement when I was a kid and I was 10

years old and it's all I knew it was very real

very moving stories and it was the talents of

the you know the Peter Cullen the Frank Welker

you know all those guys that Wally Burr directed

in those in those sessions you know I think it

was a lot of their voice acting talents that

they really put into the characters and same

thing with people who voice other famous characters

if you make the character lovable and you can

relate to that character and the way they all

did what I really liked is how they all had their

own personalities and stuff like that but you

know yeah There's just, there's just so many

you can't really take away from one. I never

really did, you know, to go back to Rodimus,

I never really did get those people, oh, I hate

Hot Rod. He's the reason why Prime died. I mean,

whoever it was gonna be, Cliffjumper, if he was

still alive at that time, whoever it was gonna

be, someone was gonna do something stupid. Just

like, you know, we've heard the rumor for animated,

someone's gonna do something stupid and Hot Rod's

gonna bite it. Or Prime's gonna bite it, you

know what I mean? It's, you eventually have to

do it and see the reaction and to be honest,

you have... after they brought him back in the

series, it was too late. I had a Power Master

Prime, I still have my Power Master Prime, but

I was kind of like, okay, well, you know, you

should have done that, you know, two, three years

ago or whatever. I think it was 87 when they

actually brought him back or whatever. But yeah,

most kids I was around kind of fell out of love

because of that. You know, growing up and watching

the series again on the Rhino DVDs, I enjoyed

it. I'd enjoyed it with Rodimus and, you know,

the occasional cameo of Ghost Prime or Dark Awakening.

There's some good episodes there. Yeah, Dark

Awakening is actually coming up. I believe that's

in episode 18 or 19, I forget. Yeah, that's a

really good episode. What was your favorite scene

in the movie? I know you already talked about

the death scene, but I mean... Well, that wouldn't

be my favorite. I would have to say, if you count

it down to one... I'd have to say the part where

prime transforms in the air and just starts wasting

Decepticons because that's the part for me where

you think You know, he's he needed he turned

the tide basically like they said, but for me

That's the defining moment even though he may

have lost his life in doing so. Yeah, I'm badly

damaged I mean he just like ramjet right in the

gold chrome plate. That was awesome You know

what I mean? Just smash, because I didn't like

his character either. I love the toy, obviously,

but that was the best for me. I'd find a lot

of people agree with that statement. I know that,

but it just is. I mean, it doesn't get much better

than that when you've got Optimus transforming

and flipping through the air. It was one of the

sequences in the movie that was better animated.

Obviously, they wanted it. This is our money

shot. We want this to look good. So I have to

say, without a doubt, that's it for me. Yeah.

I think for me, I pretty much like the entire

movie but if I had to choose one scene it would

be the end battle between Rodimus and Galvatron.

Only because there are two different parts to

that scene. There's the part where they're battling

and then there's the part outside where Unicron

is standing on Cybertron and... and of course

you know the dinobots are there and they're flying

through space and Grimlock's like me Grimlock

kick butt and then Unicron reaches around grabs

his ass and Grimlock flies away goes me Grimlock

need no strategy But within that Rodimus Galvatron

battle, I think that's another part of the great

animation. Once Hot Rod... At the very end when

they're all in the shot, like kind of like the

poster till all are one? Is that what you're

talking about? No, no, I'm talking about before

Rodimus gets back with the other Autobots, right

at the end where they're... He's just defeated

Unicron. No. Where he's just defeated Galvatron

and he's got the Matrix away from him, the whole

transformation from Hot Rod to Rodimus. Oh, yeah!

you say in that transformation part yes that

was unbelievable that was some good animation

yeah right there that's what I that's what I

was trying to get at like that that that's good

you pointed that out that's another great example

of how some of it's kind of like your standard

animation kind of filler if you will and some

of it's really well done and thought out and

drawn nicely you know yeah some of the other

stuff you might think they're doubling up on

frames just to be you know well they show it

from like six different angles I mean they have

it from they have it first of of him with the

With it over his head and Galvatron's like no

and he shoots at him and then you know eventually

once he defeats Galvatron Yeah, I mean that that

that to me other than the optimist fight in the

beginning that that to me is the second money

shot of that movie I actually did some math on

spike Because actually you kept mentioning spike

in in the death scene. That's actually Daniel

not spike Oh, you're right. Well, that's the

G1 boy. Yeah, I know I know I'm the same way

because when I was I'll tell you when I was go

back to the time when I was 10 when I was watching

that I had a hard time grasping the concept that

Spike was an adult and Daniel was his son. I

didn't really get that the first time I saw it

I I was kind of I mean I heard the words but

you know how a kid is you're kind of a you know

blown away by something like this your favorite

thing is in a movie now and it's a cartoon it's

like the biggest thing for you if you're young

like that Yeah, but I actually did I actually

did the math if you take spikes age from generation

one season one and two Where he is like 15 16

years old 2005 he's between 36 and 38 years old

now Perfecto age man to have a young boy. Yep

That's ironic really Well, not really actually

it should fall into continuity, but rarely that

kind of stuff does that just kind of surprised

me It's kind of like one of those little I did

never knew that it's good point. You got there.

So yeah Going on about the music a little bit.

I true. I mean We all know that the touch is

Optimus primes theme That's just what it is.

I mean, as much as that song gets stuck in people's

heads or whatever, you know, for how catchy it

is or whatever, every time I hear it, I think

of Optimus Prime. And on the flip side, Dare

is Hot Rod's theme. Because if you look at all

the scenes with Hot Rod, that's what the song

that's playing. Let's see cassettes versus cassettes

equals awesome. That was just hilarious. I wish

they had more of that Yes, that would have been

so freaking no way to can play exactly. I know

it I know it Some illogical stuff, and I know

this is always illogical, but 20 plus Decepticons

versus 10 Autobots and little boy give me a break

I mean like Daniel trying to push up against

the The well see the Autobots were on earth and

they some of them were left back on Cybertron

if you remember right Yeah blaster blaster actually

called those Autobots to earth so they were already

outnumbered anyway Yeah, right the Decepticons

had a full invasion of earth before the Autobots

knew it by the time they were you know? Transforming

whether Metroplex or Autobot City whatever you

want to take it as yeah while they were busy

doing that I was gonna say well they were busy

doing that That's all right jog me back in the

basically what you're trying to say is while

they're oh, yeah They were there before them

so the Autobots were trying to play catch -up

from the beginning exactly that's what I was

trying to say but I mean one of the things that

I mean as much as I and I said this in like the

first couple of episodes of the podcast when

I was reviewing season one I love the fact how

they you know how they had spike when when he

was a kid doing his little journal thing because

it showed you that this is a kid's kind of cartoon

and it would be freaking awesome for a 10 -year

-old like one of us back then, you know, sitting

on a rock next to a volcano that's filled with

giant freaking robots. That would just be cool.

Yeah, and we're from Cybertron. Check this out.

That's right. Here I am. But the thing that pissed

me off about the movie was, you know, Daniel

is younger than Spike was. He's probably seven

or eight and he's trying to push up against this

rocket launcher. Trying to get them to help it

to get it into place. I think they just wanted

to show that even kids have power, too That's

true. I think that was merely just an a from

the animators point of view You want the kids

to feel strong and then they're gonna want this

movie more if they see it They're gonna want

to buy it or whatever get the parents to get

it get the toys because you see spikes just as

good as a transformer, and you want that kid

to feel like he's part of the Autobots. Because

if he feels like he's part of the Autobots, you

know, he might ask his parents to buy some more

Decepticons for him to bash their skulls in.

I know that's what I did. I was never allowed

to have Megatron or Shockwave, though. I was

never allowed to have toys that looked like guns.

Kind of like new U .S. safety laws. My mom had

those in place, you know, when I was a young

kid. Is it just me or does Devastator look more

menacing in the movie than he did in the actual

TV series? Well, what I think was cool about

that is they had a lot of time to animate that.

Do you remember the time when Sludge is going

at him and he just pushes him and it looks like

a cartoon, like belly flop type thing? It's a

Looney Tunes moment, yeah. And it made its way

in there and I thought that was very cool. It's

just kind of a joking nod to the fan who catches

it. Because as a kid, I never saw that. You just

thought Devastator was doing that anyway. I never

noticed it until I was an adult and watched it

later. Right. The scene that I'm talking about

specifically is right before Prime and the Dinobots

get there and he and Devastator is ripping open

the base and you see his face. Oh and Springer's

going on him. Right. Yeah he looked he looked

he looked a lot better he was much I think obviously

he was probably drawn by a different artist.

Probably. But yeah the take on Devastator and

the animation on him like you were saying there

are some points in the movie where the animation

is really top -notch that's one of them. They

wanted that to be a memorable scene. It's just

too bad that they didn't know that the Autobots

had superior on and stuff like that. That would

have been cool, but I understand why it's not

there and get to a point in production where

it's too late to add anything in. The thing with

Devastator and the Dinobots, you know that Slag

is the only one that got a good shot in on Devastator?

Yeah. Which is kind of sad. It was funny how

there was only three Dinobots there. You know,

I've seen people frame by frame the movie and

do productions on it. I'm not one of those people

who can do that. There are some guys that really

know their stuff on like every frame of the movie.

And you'll see like Snarl and Robot Mode when

they're in the shuttle taking off and stuff.

There's just some stuff that doesn't make sense.

But you never really see all the five Dinobots

together. No, you see the four. You see Slag,

Sludge, Grimlock. swoop come out of the shuttle

in that beginning scene and then you see Snarl

when they're landing later on on Junkion. The

reformatting of Megatron into Galvatron, just

seeing that animatic is awesome. That was very

cool. The way that they did that, the way that

they showed inside the body of the robot, it

was almost like a human x -ray. That was actually

cool for me because I'm still at the time when

I'm a kid now with that part of it was cool because

here I am thinking okay good They're changing

him now. He's just like a laser cannon thing

I can get the toy and have another Decepticon

leader So, you know my friend did have the gun

Megatron. I did get to play with it I'm not you

know, but you know part of my childhood was you

know I didn't get to have really the bad guys,

you know, my mom wanted me to do the you know

more I guess you would say Christian thing. I'm

not going to get into politics or anything like

that. But if you know what I mean, a lot of that

was how it was back then. So just leave it at

that. You know, the world was much more... on

PC as it is today. Going back to the what you

were talking about earlier with the oh shit controversy,

how it's in and it's not, and we've kind of already

discussed it, that they wanted to distinguish

their movie from other animation movies at the

time and they didn't want to get a G rating.

So that's why the oh shit and the damn and some

of the other stuff is in there. Right, and another

thing about G rated movies is back then I believe

they only played in matinees and I remember my

mom and dad talking about it and my dad's probably

like oh they probably gave it that rating just

because they have laser guns and they're fighting

there's probably they call that violence he's

probably you know he was actually right but yeah

On an earlier episode of all things transformers

Steve and I had had a discussion topic about

The hot rod RC Springer love triangle and I don't

even want to get started on that because I would

just go into a rant Well, there's all different

ways I could go with that being with my wife's

name Well, no, I know aside from that aside from

that. How do I feel about the actual story that

how it was portrayed in the movie? Here she is.

She's kind of the new girl in town You know,

you don't really know much about her and if you

go on to watch later on into the headmasters

in the victory series of g1 that Japan did She

was very kind of like and this is totally different

from the US continuity. I want to make that clear

I got this from a panel, right? That's a TF con

from proto man actually and that is that in the

Japanese continuity when they had RC and headmasters

and all that, you know the guys Jinrai would

be prime and all those guys would go out to fight

and Oh RC you're gonna stay here and take care

of you know, Daniel. I mean, her and Daniel kind

of watch the base. So that's kind of a whole

other subject when you get into the subculture

of the Japanese and stuff like that, which I

respect and everything, but it's very different.

So knowing her story like that is different,

but... always kind of saw RC as hot rod would

get her because she I I don't know what I can't

put my finger on it but I think hot rod would

be the guy to get her and springer would be the

old guy that be all pissed off about it well

the way I look at it is that okay starting from

the beginning of the movie when him and Daniel

are fishing which you know transformers did all

kinds of human type here we're appearing to kids

you know right but they did all kinds of human

type stuff that really made no sense if you wanna

if you want a a full rant from me about this

listen to the episode that has the girl who loved

power glide power glide I did listen to power

glide on the mario go around that figure favorite

episode I know it's not at all your favorite

in the last column is what I meant exactly all

the way down Depths of hell yeah, but you know

that was basically probably to get them Maybe

a couple of girls to buy some too because they're

at all right that point when when that episode

airs I want to say that was closer to the end

of season two am I right or middle of season

two? Yeah, it was closer around to the end of

season two But the thing is the and that you

know we're kind of getting off track But I mean

the thing is about it. It doesn't it doesn't

portray girls and boys relationships well cuz

power glide pushes her down several times she

yells at him the original g one episode we are

we're not okay yeah you know but anyway uh...

being a little off track okay that's a whole

hot rod rc thing ever since that first episode

when he and daniel are driving to look out mountain

and he gets there and daniels looking through

a little viewfinder we see him have a special

power he has like x -ray vision type a dealer

you know bill who hot yes Yeah, he does. That's

why his alternator version has a visor. Right,

I understand that. And if you look at the later

scene when Magnus tells Spring and R .C. to transform

Autobot City, she has the exact same thing. So

I thought they were similar in that. The fact

that they're both hanging out with Daniel, that

they're kind of like the robotic parents of him

while Spike is away. And here you have fucking

Springer coming in trying to wreck the family.

That's just the way I look at it and that's why

I really don't like Springer at all. I think

we're going to move on to the music. The music

for this movie, I know they were going for a

rock soundtrack, which is kind of cool, but each

song hit each scene very well. Do you have either

one of the soundtracks, the original or the...

I do, the Vince De Cole and stuff like that.

Yeah, which one do you have? All of them. You

have the original and the 20th anniversary? Uh,

I don't have the newer one, newer 25th anniversary

one, I don't think, unless my wife gave it to

me, but my wife is like a connoisseur. Hello?

Uh oh. Oh, okay. Okay. Can you hear me? Yeah.

So, um... Basically, the only differences between

them is the new one has four additional tracks

that weren't on the original. Unicron, Medley,

Moonbase 2, Shuttle Launch, Megatron Must Be

Stopped, Parts 1 and 2, and the stainless version

of the theme of the movie. I believe the Megatron

Must Be Stopped Parts 1 and 2 used to be Vince's

In Their Darkest Hour. I think he reformatted

that to become Megatron Must Be Stopped Parts

1 and 2. And then the rest of it obviously dare

to be stupid and Autobot Decepticon battle and

all that stuff How is a weird Al song in a Transformers

movie? In animated yeah Yeah, and then to see

that come around No, no, no, you better not do

that gar and then the junkie on and the junkie

on was the music It's and now he's going to popcorn

and this is the first popcorn in years that I'm

not being able to go to unless I pretty much

sell everything which I'm consider I'm considering

but you know people walk into my house and see

my room and it's not to like brag or anything,

but I got everything in glass cases and you know

stuff like that so It's definitely something

I've really put a passion into, and I've been

to plenty of other ones. I know it'll come back

to drivable distance next year. If not, there's

TFCon, but I would have loved to have met Weird

Al. I'm sure he'll be around somewhere sometime

that I can get a chance. Speaking of Stan Bush,

I did get the chance to hang out with Stan Bush

at BotCon 2007 for the... the anniversary but

the movie coming out they had the Hasbro tour

that year probably going to go down as one of

the best bot cons ever as far as like attendance

wise just everything was huge And he had the

party Friday night, and we're all going in there,

OK, what's this party? And then Stan Bush just

rocked the house. And then there was a cover

band after that just playing stuff. And he kind

of hung out with us fans and followed us to the

bar afterwards and stuff. I mean, I don't remember

me directly, but just him hanging out with the

fans. I mean, that's how you know someone's cool

with the fandom and they appreciate them. And

then a guy like Stan Bush doesn't have to do

anything. He can go home and do whatever he wants.

But he chose to come out. there and hang out

with us transformer geeks for a little while.

And just that in and of itself is cool. So if

he hears this, I want to say thank you for that.

It was a very good time we all had at that concert.

Too bad I am not able to go this year. Yeah,

yes, I will be emailing this mp3 when we eventually

get the entire thing edited together I will be

sending it to Stan so he will hear it But Stan

has got to be out of all the people that I know

that are in transformers obviously I've never

been to conventions But he has been the most

accessible Transformers type you know person

celebrity whatever you want to call him Because

I mean I scored an interview with him. I mean

it's like oh my god How the hell do I do this

without going all fanboy? And I know I had to

do it professionally and I of course I started

with his you know where he grew up and all that

other stuff and everything else and you know

people hear it on the Well, I also think to his

point of view perhaps, he is doing something

for the fans that he doesn't really have to do.

Maybe he doesn't even realize it, which in my

opinion would make it even more cool if he's

just doing it to be a cool guy and showing people

that they appreciate what he's done. Even if

he didn't get as far with it as he wanted to

or whatever, I'm not sure what the deal was with

that. The fact that he's still going on and still

making music and stuff like that's really cool

And then he keeps in touch with you know the

fans because that's what it's all about So I

think we're gonna end this clip the next clip

you will hear will be me and Pia on talking about

the exact same thing Sorry I wasn't able to do

this with you yesterday it was almost a week

ago, but anyway You're gonna edit that all out.

Go ahead. Uh, so, we'll see you in the next clip,

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