Season 4 Recap

The Secret Origins Podcast, Episode 20. Hello,

and welcome to episode 20 of the Secret Origins

podcast. Podcasts? Podcast. We have now gone,

or been going, Unlimited. I am your host, David

E. and Mike, and joining me is Lupus Convoy.

Hello, sir. Hello, how are you? Apparently on

the same wavelength as you. Yes, exactly. Today

we will be recapping Justice League Season 4.

And basically the way that I do podcasting with

– it doesn't matter if it's TV shows, cartoons,

whatever. If it's a specific cartoon, I'll cover

the – obviously we've covered from episode 17

to episode 19. In those three episodes we covered

all of the fourth season of Justice League or

the first season of Justice League Unlimited

or whatever you prefer to call it. Or the second

season of Justice League Unlimited I should say.

But, you know, I prefer to cover all the episodes

in a season and then do just a quick recap show

of, like, favorite moments and stuff like that.

So that's basically what this is. And we're going

to start with favorite episodes, I guess. And

pretty much we probably have the same favorite

episodes. Yeah, we do. I love, and the majority

of the reason why I love the episodes in the

fourth season of Justice League is because it's

all continuity -centric for the most part. Double

Date was kind of a one -shot, but I love that

because it's Question and Huntress with Green

Arrow and Black Canary. So we've got Doomsday

Sanction, Task Force X. Double Date, Question

Authority, Hunter's Moon, Flashpoint, Panic in

the Sky, Divide Every Fall, and Epilogue. If

you had to pick a most favorite episode out of

this season, what would it be? Oh, damn. Divide

Every Fall. Yeah, I would have to agree. As I

said in episode 19, I wish that epilogue would

have happened at the very end of season five

of Justice League Unlimited after Destroyer.

But I understand why it was put here instead.

But yeah, Divided We Fall is just amazing animation,

amazing action. Overall, the entire series, not

just this season, but the entire series so far,

just amazing voice acting. I like Question Authority

just for the fact that we have more... It's more

focused on Huntress in Question than Double Date

is, but it's still a very, very good... And I

don't think we want to talk about aglets. Their

true purpose is sinister. Sinister. Topical fluoride.

Sorry. Yeah. What are some of your favorite moments

from this season? Besides the interrogation sequence

for poor Q. God, I think one scene that definitely

sticks out was from The Clash. Mind you, I'm

not a huge, like, Shazam fan to begin with. But

the fact that Batman and Superman are, you know,

they're fighting against Mantis and all his little

henchmen. And, you know, they're having a normal

conversation. And, oh, how can you like that

guy? Well, I like him. He's a Boy Scout. He's

peppy. Kind of like you. Like you used to be.

I thought that was just awesome, that scene between

them. I would have to say the entire part of

Epilogue, like the fight between, or not fight,

the conversations and Terry being a complete

ass. while they're just being like the sassy

old grandma. But, I mean, you've got to see Terry's

point, though. He's pissed off. No, no, no, I

know you do, but I'm saying the fact that, you

know, if you're a 30 -year -old person, which

you haven't reached that yet, unfortunately.

Unfortunately, I'll be crossing it coming February.

I'll be 31. Oh, God. But, you know, coming from

a kid who has had, you know, a rough childhood

or who has had a specific moment in his childhood

like his father taking away from him or someone

has lied to you as a kid, you know, you're going

to want answers and you're going to be that mean

and that type of arrogance. Because you don't

want to be played with. You don't want to have

Waller playing mind games and stuff. Not that

she was playing mind games, but you know what

I mean, right? Oh, she was playing games. She

was playing the half an 80 -something -year -old

woman. And it's not often I get a handsome 30

-year -old superhero coming in just to say hi.

Oh, yeah, what's this pill for? Oh, yeah, memory

loss or whatever it is. She was milking that

for all she could. She's like, I don't get them

handsome superheroes here that often. Why are

they always so good -looking? I'm like, is she

hitting on him? Oh, my God. That's so funny.

Yeah, you know, I would have to agree with you.

Pretty much all of Epilogue is just awesome.

And like I said, as far as favorite moments,

pretty much anything Batman does or says. I don't

have to. I'm a part -timer. Yeah, exactly. That

is the single dumbest plan ever. Anything that

comes out of Kevin Conroy's mouth or Batman's

lips in this cartoon, or in any cartoon that

Kevin Conroy voices in, is just awesome. Sean,

I need help. You need help? You never need help.

Or something along those lines, to paraphrase.

Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, it was nice that they

tied... It wasn't like they rushed to tie everything

up. It wasn't like they left things out. Like,

if this was truly going to be the end of the

Justice League cartoon, they did tie up everything

very nicely. Yeah, they so did it right. You

know, there isn't... I mean, minus a few of those

episodes that I really just... I don't know the

characters. I really don't care for the characters.

Like the... Like the Ties That Bind episode,

or... What was the other one? Clash. Those episodes,

because I really don't know those characters

all that well. It's not really that I dislike

the episodes, but it's because I don't know the

characters. I just don't consider them. They

just don't seem to fit in this season. And I

know why they did them, because they wanted to...

talk about that material and not just have the

Cadmus arc be the entire season. But it was just

overall very, very well done for season four.

But at the same time, some of the best parts

was the Cadmus arc and the writing that went

into it. Oh, yeah. Very, very much so. The writing

to the Cadmus arc, not only to the Cadmus arc,

but as I pointed out to you in episode 19, you

know, the fact that they're taking all the continuity

and tying back to previous series, like the whole

Brainiac bit of he's been in Luthor for, as they

say, for years, as meaning for a number of years.

I believe it was said somewhere online that it

was eight years since the Superman animated series

episode, Ghost in the Machine. So, I mean, that's

a whole lot of continuity right there, which

is very, very cool. And we finally got to see

Justice Lord's Flash, what his costume would

look like as a Justice Lord. I thought that was

really cool as well. I'm going to show you I

had stayed with the Minigarians. Well, not really

if she stayed with the Finnegarians, if she had

stayed with John. With John, or was it with whatever

the hell the commander was? No, it was John,

because the alternate version of Hot Girl in

A Better World said, you know, John said something

about sleeping better, and she goes, yeah, I

know, or something or other, because the Justice

Lord versions of them are, in fact, a couple.

Oh. Yeah, you didn't remember that, did you?

No. That didn't even cross my mind. Wow. In A

Better World, if you go back and you re -watch

A Better World from... from the earlier episode,

A Better World, John and Shiera are together

in that episode. But because the Justice Lords

episode is, because A Better World is an alternate

reality or an alternate timeline, it never actually

really happens in our timeline. But yeah, they

were together at one point. What else do we want

to say about the fourth season for this? I don't

know. I thought it was really... This has to

be some of the best that we've seen so far. I

know they hit their stride in season three, but

this was like, bam, the best. This is what all

animation should have been, story -wise. Oh,

exactly. And it even had, like, villains that

I was rooting for, like, go Waller. Like, that

never happens. Yeah. And I felt really bad that

she fought for Luther. But, come on, you hire

Luther? Really? Did you people learn nothing

from Infinite Crisis? Well, again, as I said

to you last time, this is cartoons. This is not

the comics. Still. Fools. Looper smash. Fools.

Come on. What the hell? I can't get my Justice

League DVDs out of this stupid tin. It doesn't

want to let them go. They're that good. God.

There's something wrong. You know what? I think

it would have been a shame to have seen during

the... For the last couple episodes, I would

have loved for Mazo to be there and just see

him versus Luthor again. I don't think that would

have worked, though. Mazo versus Brainiac and

Luthor and just, okay, big badass, you know,

omnipotent guy versus another big badass omnipotent

guy. And it just would have made the whole teamwork

of the original Core 7 seem that much more pertinent,

I think. I disagree because, I mean, we pretty

much tied up the Luthor arc or the Amazo arc

in the return because it wouldn't have worked

with him being with... Because, I mean, they

even called everybody and said, hey, we need

help. And everyone basically said was that, you

know, there's no way that we can get to you in

time because of the damage to the Watchtower.

because of everything else. And the whole point

of Panic in the Sky and Divide How We Fall, Divide

How We Fall More, is that the seven of them,

the original founding members, they have to do

this. They're the only ones that can do this.

And if Amaza was there, I think it would have

taken away from that. Okay. I'm just saying.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I just think it

would have given a bit more of a... on why they

are the original seven and why it was so important

for them to be there and to do it. I want to

know what happened to Amazo. He like flew off

and that was it. Well, I mean, that's it. Aquaman

and that's it. Where the hell is Aquaman in all

this? Way to go, Arthur. Way to go. As much as

I... I will concede the Aquaman thing that he

was a badass in this cartoon. I get that. He

was going to be the eighth member, man. Aquaman

overall just sucks, in my opinion. Just sucks,

in my opinion. Someone's not getting an invite

to Atlantis. What? Someone's not getting an invite

to Atlantis. Why would I want to go to Atlantis?

Dude, think of the sushi. Ew. Yuck. How can you

eat that stuff? How can you eat raw fish? Oh,

God. I hope you got that reference, because if

you didn't get that reference, your geek cred

needs to be totally... I don't think I have any

geek cred left. But, yeah, I mean, overall, Season

4 was just an amazing, amazing journey. And,

actually, I'm hoping I can find this online so

we can put it in the episode. But it's actually

on the Season 5 disc, but there's a special feature

for specifically Cadmus Exposed. Mark Hamill

and series creative personnel discuss this popular

series story arc. So if I can find that audio

online, I will... Do a little dance? Come on.

I have it on the DVD. I have the feature, obviously,

but I need to find the audio so I can put it

in the episode because, unfortunately, my computer

will not let me rip audio anymore. I don't know

why. Yeah, I know. Bad computer. Computer is

evil. Computer is brainiac. Oops. No, it's not.

There's a name for you, Nick. Digitize the entire

world. So, yeah, do we have anything else we

want to say about this final season here? Or

not final season, but this little recap? Not

really. I think we've covered almost everything.

Yeah, it was very, very well done. The voice

acting was amazing as always. I think Susan Eisenberg

as Wonder Woman has really gotten into the role

of being Wonder Woman. I think that, I mean,

and she will throughout the rest of Season 5,

but like the first season of the... It was kind

of wooden. Like all the characters really were,

except for Batman. Yeah, yeah. But she has so

grown into the role of being Wonder Woman. So

we are going to cut to some audio and come back

with the outro. We had the best of intentions

to be Earth's guardians, to keep you safe, but

we failed you. We looked down on the world from

our tower in the sky and let our power and responsibilities

separate us from the very people we were supposed

to protect. No one should ever be afraid of us

for that reason. We're decommissioning the watchtower.

The energy weapon up there is already gone. We're

taking down the station as well. There's more.

We want to thank the members of the Justice League

for your courageous service. But in the future,

you'll all have to act as independent agents.

We're not going to be an army anymore. As of

right now, we're disbanding the Justice League.

This is the end. Says who? You remember what

we did yesterday? We saved the world. Again.

You don't think that has any value? Well, think

again, pal. The Justice League goes on. With

or without you. Look, nobody can question your

service or commitment to making things better.

If you're quitting because you think you've already

done your fair share, fine. We'll throw you a

parade. But if you're quitting because it's easier

than continuing the fight, then you're not the

heroes we all thought you were. The world needs

the Justice League. And the Justice League needs

you, Superman. There have to be some changes.

Maybe we could open an embassy on Earth so we

can be closer to the people. We could have a

rotating staff, some kind of... You guys can

handle this. I've got work back in Gotham. You've

got my number. I think so. Who guards the Guardians?

We got it covered. Working late? Hey, Smallville.

Finishing up my Justice League story. How many

L's in ambivalent? One. Is that your take on

all this, Lois? I've been as tough on the Justice

League as anyone. Especially on Superman. That's

just because he's always set such a high standard.

I'm gonna cut him a break. He's only human. You

know what I mean. Yeah. I do. Well, that's it.

It's over. No. Again, as I've said both in episode

19 and this episode, if they had ended it like

this, I would be okay. But I'm glad that they

got 13 more episodes. Again, I know I'm kind

of beating a dead horse here when I say I think

Epilogue should go after Destroyer in the Final

13, but still, very, very awesome. And I should

mention why we covered Epilogue where we covered

it, because we didn't set out to cover every

single DC Animated Universe episode from every

cartoon. It's just... Because we didn't want

to deal with Star Trek. Well, no, it's not that.

Teen Titans. Well, Teen Titans is not in continuity,

so... Teen Titans is not... The Teen Titans cartoon

is not in DC Animated Universe continuity at

all whatsoever. It just isn't. Should we do Super

Friends next? No. Form of podcaster. Shut up.

Wow, that might actually work, but no. But because

we didn't have the overall vision of doing every

DC Animated Universe show, we covered the episodes

here as they appeared on the DVD. So that's always

just been easier for me to do. It's been easier

for me to figure it out. There was that little

mishap with Question Authority and Hunter's Moon,

but other than that, it's the DVD's fault. So

yes, do you have any parting words before we

actually close out and go on to Season 5? Get

ready for some great stuff. Yes, that is so true.

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