Flashpoint, Panic In The Sky, Divided We Fall, and Epilogue

Secret Origins Podcast, Episode 19. Hello and

welcome to the 19th episode of the Secret Origins

Podcast. We have been going unlimited for a while.

I'm your host, Adrian Mike, and joining me is

Lupus Convoy. Hello, sir. Hello. Where the hell

have you been? Broken computer, car accidents.

My life is one big soap opera, dude. Are you

all right? I'm fine. I pissed off at education.

Well, you said car accidents, so I figured, uh

-oh. No, not me. The other half, car accident

off the road. Is he okay? Yeah, car's now repaired,

but one of those, hey, come get me. What happened?

Well, there was snow and a deer, and yeah. Okay.

So unfortunately, things have jumped up in life

recently, and every time I try to record this.

Yeah, no, I mean, you know, stuff happens and

that's fine. I mean, you know, I've said this

every time that we've had a lapse in episode

that, you know. Which is always my fault. Well,

I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming you, but,

you know, I said that, you know, if life happens,

then this can be put on hold. We'll finish it

eventually. So, I mean, you know, it's not like

it's going anywhere. I've just been doing the

usual podcasting, everything else. We are coming

up in June of 2011. It will be the two -year

online anniversary of Geekcast Radio Network.

We've got a bunch of new podcasts coming up.

We've got just a whole crap ton of stuff going

on. So all the staff get their own free genetically

trained flying monkeys, right? I know. I mean,

since it's a two -year anniversary, we've got

to bump up what we got for the first year. No.

Oh, come on. Flying monkeys, dude. It's almost

as good as, like, undead mummies. Oh, God. I'm

sorry. Lincoln Logs outrank Legos any day. I

think you just killed away any... I'm sorry,

but seriously, when I was four, five, and six

years old, I would... have more fun building

stuff and actually building stuff that looked

like the actual thing with Lincoln Logs than

I ever did with Legos. Legos are these, they

show off these just immaculate displays of helicopters

and boats and this, that, and the other thing.

When I got Legos as a kid, I was like, how the

hell am I supposed to make that? There's no way

I can do that. I'm sorry, I do like Legos, but

I'm sorry, Lincoln Logs are better. When I was

a kid, I was a spoiled little child, but I actually

had enough Legos that I made a full two -scale

mask, like TV show mask. Oh my god. Yeah, my

parents weren't too thrilled when I superglued

it together and was running through the house

with it. That's funny. So, yeah, a couple of

things I wanted to bring up was the fact that...

This episode was brought to you by the Guy Gardner

Fan Club. No. It only takes one punch. No. I'm

sorry. If he didn't appear in the cartoon, he

does not matter. You know, Guy Gardner fans aside,

whatever, in other mediums, if he did not appear

in Justice League... Dude, I've got to mention

him at least once per episode. I know, but what

I'm saying is, if he didn't appear in the cartoon,

it doesn't matter. But I did want to bring up

the fact that Mattel has done a lot with their

JLU line, and it's pretty much a fan line and

whatever the fans want, because... Let's face

it, when they first started doing JLU figures,

they weren't, at least in my opinion, they weren't

all that great. I honestly didn't get the early

figures, so. Well, I have some of the early ones,

and they look like the characters and everything

else. My only real complaint is that they're

like three and three quarter figures, but. and

people have heard me say this before, Batman,

in order for me to get him to stand up, he has

a joint at the knee so you can bend it, bend

the bottom part of his leg where his foot is,

but it looks like you fucking broke his foot.

And it's just weird. But yes, there have been

numerous ones. I actually have the JLU Lobo.

uh figure which was actually done much better

it's it's much taller it's about i think it's

about a six six inch figure maybe six or seven

he's he's bigger than all the other ones that

we've seen so far and uh uh they've also come

out with a two pack of the parademons so you

can army build your parademons and they also

came out with a two pack for Darkseid and Kalabak.

Now, the Darkseid is based off of how he appeared

in the episode Destroyer, which we will get to

eventually once we get to Season 5 of Justice

League. But yeah, I'm really thrilled with those.

I would actually love to get that Darkseid and

Kalabak. That would be so cool. It would be nice

to have the whole Father -Son thing going. Father,

pseudo -child. Yeah, something like that. Punch

and Judy. Yes. So today we'll be reviewing the

final four episodes from Justice League Season

4. So I think we're going to get right to the

episodes. Don't you touch him! He's Justice League.

First up, we have Flashpoint. Inside Project

Cadmus, Captain Atom attacks Superman. In addition

to his super strength, Atom can produce red sun

energy blasts that weaken Superman. Huntress

takes Question out of the building and calls

the watchtower for an emergency teleport. Captain

Atom gives it everything he's got but is no match

for Superman's strength, and Superman is forced

to give him a severe beating, coming dangerously

close to cracking his containment suit. He did

crack that containment suit. Before Atom finally

stays down. But when Cadmus' doctors arrive to

see to Adam, Superman tells him to back off.

Captain Adam is one of the League. No one tries

to interfere with Superman as he carries him

out and back to the Watchtower. Superman visits

Question in the infirmary, who confesses that

he was afraid Superman was coming close to killing

Luther. Superman insists that that would be impossible,

but Question reminds him that Luther and Cadmus

have been remarkably effective in bringing out

his worst side. Superman tells Kara the truth

about Hamilton. and together they storm up to

the bridge, looking to assemble a team to go

down and smash Cadmus before they take another

move against the League. Jean Jones and Green

Arrow remind them exactly why they can't do that,

because they are committed to upholding the law,

and Cadmus may actually be a legitimate, Albright

secret, branch of the government. Furthermore,

such action is precisely why ordinary humans

fear the League. Superman is still not convinced.

Working in his laboratory at LexCorp, Lex Luthor

receives a... A call from Amanda Waller about

the breakout. She warns him that if question

has gotten evidence to implicate Luther, Cadmus

will cut him loose. Seemingly unconcerned, Luther

strides to a targeting computer in his lab that

has been just beeped ready and pressed enter.

The debate aboard the watchtower is interrupted

when the computer announces that the binary fusion

cannon is preparing to fire. Horrified, Sean

tries to override the system, but he's locked

out. As a last resort, he tears the circuitry

out of the control panel, but the system reroutes.

Superman hurtles out of the station and to the

mouth of the cannon, but is a split second too

late. The laser fires down at the Earth's surface.

Down below, people are going about their daily

lives, but pause when they see the sky light

up. A beam lances down and hits an abandoned

building marked Condemned. The building is vaporized

into mass. of shockwave ripples out, hitting

the surrounding city with the force of an earthquake.

Aboard the watchtower, the discharges drain the

station's power for a whole hour. Even without

sensors or communications, John can tell that

the League has fired on Cadmus' headquarters.

Several things happen at once. John receives

an angry call from the President of the United

States on a special hotline, but swears that

the League was not responsible for the blast.

At the same time, Flash leads a rescue team down

to the surface to help those caught in the shockwave.

Meanwhile, the President receives a call from

Waller, who reveals that the facility that was...

that was destroyed was in fact empty. They evacuated

an hour earlier because of the break -in by Superman.

Waller advises the president in the strongest

terms in order to order a retaliation. In her

eyes, the blast was clearly retribution for taking

question, and the League and the government are

officially at war. The president is reluctant

to order retaliation and tells Waller to stand

by. The League is at its best on the ground,

rescuing people trapped by the devastation, but

things turn ugly. As rumors start to fly, the

League fire the cannon at the ground. At Cadmus'

new facility, Walder becomes tired of waiting,

convinced that they need to act. She orders Galatea

to take command of an army of Ultiman clones.

Your thoughts, good sir? Wow. Can you say...

And that's something I need to point out for

the majority of these final episodes. A lot of

them is all action. So while I do have... I do

have a good number of notes, but... You know,

most of them are quotes and stuff like that.

But, yeah, my first note was the Superman -Captain

Adam fight was way better than the Captain Marvel

-Superman fight from a few episodes ago. I think

it's better, but for different reasons. Like,

this isn't somebody that's a cookie cutter of

Superman. Captain Marvel's pretty close to Supes.

Yeah. It just, it seems like this is not just

a conflict of two people with different, that

are two sides of the same coin. It's a fight

of morality and what loyalty is. Right, yeah.

Because you've got Cab Madam who is, he is military,

hardcore, you know, Air Force all the way. Yeah.

And his loyalty isn't just to... the league,

it's also to the government that he serves and

the country that he serves. So it's kind of interesting

to see the dichotomy there, and then Superman,

who is technically a civilian, and trying to

go for something that he deems as working for

the betterment. I don't know. It just seems...

It's an interesting fight. Yeah, I will agree,

but I mean, I just... Like, the... The Superman

-Captain Marvel fight from, what was that episode?

You know, from Clash. It's, it doesn't, while

the action in that was epic, it just, I just

didn't, I mean, clearly Superman is in the wrong.

I mean, clearly he is, with wanting to destroy,

but at all the same time, Luthor should have

been up front with him, which, of course, we

all know Luthor's not going to do. Yeah, it's

Lex fucking Luthor. But the thing about the Superman

-Captain Adam fight was just, it was so much

more powerful because of what Captain Adam is,

like he said. I control radiation, and that means

red sun radiation. So that's going to... I mean,

technically, he was blasting Superman with straight

-on kryptonite. I mean, almost like full blast

of red kryptonite or whatever. I mean, it was

just one of those things. I don't understand,

though. One thing I don't understand about it

is... In Superman the Animated Series, or actually,

no, even here in Justice League, the episode

hereafter, when Earth had a red sun now, Superman

has no powers. So on Krypton, Superman would

just be a normal human as if us humans are here

on Earth. So my question is, if Kryptonite, which

is poison to... especially if they're on Earth

and exposed to a yellow sun. If that's poison,

how is red sun radiation? I mean, radiation,

okay, that's bad. But I'm saying, how is something

from the red sun of Krypton going to affect...

That's one thing I've never understood about...

It's supposed to strip him of his powers. Yeah,

it's just one of those things where I just have

never understood. I guess it's just another way

of them working in some sort of kryptonite, I

guess. Honestly, I think it's a case of Captain

Atom just not realizing, hey, it's really not

going to do that much effect right away. It's

a long -term exposure type deal. As opposed to

Kryptonite, if he had just done normal Kryptonite.

But I think from a writing perspective, it was

like, okay, we're going to give him something

else that he's weak against. So he's not just

Superman and go. Right, yeah. And see, the other

thing is technically, and it makes me think of

the old Max Fleischer cartoon, Superman, the

very first episode where he's fighting the mad

scientist and he's punching back the laser beam.

It made me think of that because if you look

at it, technically Superman is fighting pure

energy. I mean, Captain Adam even said in initiation,

he's not human. Living energy is what he is.

I mean, so technically Superman is fighting pure

energy here. In a containment suit. Right, no,

I know that, but I'm saying, I mean, if he didn't

have the containment suit, it would be pure energy.

Yes. Without the containment suit, he couldn't

fight against Superman. Very true. He wouldn't

have a coherent form. Yeah, very, very true.

When Huntress punches the second guy, yikes,

glass shattering. Shattered glass. I liked Huntress

in this episode. Yeah, I do, too. One of the

things I've got down is when she says, dude,

Superman just told you to move. It's like, she's

like, she knows, like, hey, this is Superman.

You don't really get in his way, and then if

he tells you to move, you hop, too. You should

know this, Captain Adam. What are you doing?

Do you have a death wish? Yes, exactly. Questions

unmasked. He's a ginger. I've always, like, I

like the Green Arrow, Black Canary stuff, but

even with, especially starting on Double Date,

I really like the dynamic that Question and Huntress

have. So I like the... I like where this went

of, you know, her, you know, him saying, oh,

well, you're right, I am the ugliest guy of all

time, whatever else. And she's like, not in my

eyes. And it was before she even unmasked him.

And I just, I really like the dynamic between

the two of them. They show really good, it shows

like they really do have something going on instead

of just, you know, flash in the pan. Two of the

two characters together. Throw in a blender,

go. Yep. More Cadmus plot revealed, because they've

actually shown that Cadmus is analyzed and found

out, well, because Luthor is a part of Cadmus,

that they know about the alternate universe adventure

with the Justice Lords. So we've got more and

more Cadmus stuff being revealed. Do I look like

Batman to you? Actually, you kind of do. You

kind of do. I'll scowl at you like that. That

has to be one of the best lines in this episode.

I know, and I think George Newbern delivered

that. George Newbern has grown into Superman.

Tim Daly from Superman, the animated series,

amazing job as Superman. He's one of my favorite

voices of Superman. I don't know if I've said

this before on the show, but... I never knew

that there was any voice actor change. When I

first saw Justice League and I heard Superman,

I thought it was still Tim Daly. Come to find

out it was George Newbern. But him and Daly are

a tie for me for best animated Superman voice

because to me they sound so similar and just

some of the lines that Newbern was able to pull

off was just amazing. I honestly couldn't tell

the difference until you told me it wasn't Tim

Daly. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, I feel stupid. And

then, of course, Lex, that was fast. Still, opportunity

knocks. And I was like, what in the hell is he

talking about? And then it flashes to the, because

Waller's like, what? What did you say? Nothing.

I've got to get back to work here. Later, Mrs.

Waller, or whatever he says. And then it shows

the screen. Holy shit, he took over the binary

fusion cannon. Who saw that coming? Who didn't

see that coming? Apparently Waller. Yeah. And

again, one of the biggest problems with Justice

League is how they deal with space. I mean space

as far as being in space, like the Watchtower

and stuff like that. When Superman broke through

the Watchtower wall to go down to the binary

fusion cannon, Everything should have been sucked

out into space. Atmospheric shield. Okay, I can...

That's fine. But on the other hand, there are

times when those missiles are coming through

and suddenly there's a vacuum. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, wait, sorry, spoiler alert. Well, that's

what I was going to say. Oh, no, it was binary

fusion cannon discharge. And technically, Superman

did get hit. I mean, he didn't just miss the—he

got hit by the blast. And then, of course, at

the end of this, my final note was, holy—huh?

It makes you wonder, if he wasn't there, would

it have been worse? That's true. That's very

true. If he hadn't blocked part of the blast,

would it have done even more damage than what

it did? My final note was, holy crap, Galatea

and the Ultimans. I know, what a reveal. Yeah,

exactly. Not just one set, but like a whole army

of them. Yep. Well, that's because all the original

clones had kind of obviously died. Right, which

kind of explains why we didn't have Apache or

whatever back in there. Yeah, exactly. Yep. It

was very, very, very cool. So what about you?

What did you like or dislike about this one?

So I have to ask, does everyone know Superman's

weaknesses? I would assume so. Like, seriously,

oh, he's weak to magic. Oh, he's weak against

red sun radiation. Seriously, how the hell do

these people know this? Like, did he put out

a public email? Did Luther send out, like, a

memo to everyone in the League of Evil? Probably.

The evil league of evil. What was it? The Huntress

line of locked. Sure. Why not? That sounds like

something I would say, like trying to escape.

Oh, sure. The doors are all locked. Why not?

I'm just going to sit here and try to hotwire

it. I put down freaking Luther because, I mean,

he couldn't just leave stuff well enough. Yeah.

Well, enough alone. No, Luther's just got to,

you know, mess around with everything. Nothing

like a reliable, megalomaniacal man to keep a

series going. Yeah, exactly. So, when we had

the reveal of Galatea growing older again, it

was like, oh, Power Girl! Oh, wait, yeah, Galatea.

And then, way to go, Waller. You're just playing

into his hand. You're supposed to be smarter

than this. You are the big bad of the series,

and yet you get played into his hand. And I think

that's all I've got for this episode. Yeah, I

mean, like I said before, majority of these final

four episodes, there isn't... I mean, there's

story, obviously, there's stuff going on, but

there isn't a lot of room for analysis. I mean,

yeah, I kind of picked apart the... or tried

to pick apart the whole vacuum and space thing,

but... I was debunked on that. The thing I will

say about these last four episodes is that there's

a lot of character conclusion. We're seeing a

lot about Waller. We're seeing a lot about Galatea.

We will see something about Wally and the whole

Core 7. And if you're not watching it from the

beginning, you're going to miss out on a lot

of this stuff and the references. the personal

character story arcs. Yeah, exactly. And you

mentioned that to me on Facebook chat the other

night, and I said, well, what moron wouldn't

watch this show from the beginning? Because,

as I've said before, this is easily the best

superhero team -up show ever, as far as cartoons

go. I will agree that it's definitely up there,

but there's people that don't watch it. Well,

they should. Well, okay, let me put this into

actual practicality here. I stayed at my friend's

house for, like, a month. Her parents had never

watched the show, and we were watching the reruns

on Boomerang, and they were kind of out of order

when they were in Hatchet. So they didn't catch

the whole story arc of, like, the familiar relationship

between Wally and Shayira. Right, yeah. and how

they've got that brother -sister dynamic. Like,

if they were to watch one of the later episodes

and catch how they were acting and they didn't

catch the starts in the beginning or if they

missed the whole Huntress Q thing or the Galatea...

Supergirl. Supergirl dynamic. I mean, I can see

that, but again, I mean, the majority of the

people that are hopefully listening to this show...

And normally I don't do this, but seriously,

how many listeners do we actually have of this

podcast? I know we've been sporadic in episodes,

but damn it, we need more feedback. Any feedback.

Yes, any feedback. But what I'm saying is, you

know, us doing this podcast, we're catering to

those who... Oh, it's definitely a niche market

that this is catering to. Yeah, to those who

have watched this cartoon. and have watched the

other DC Animated Universe cartoons as well.

So I guess we're going to move on. Long -range

communications back online, at least. How long

before you can restore full power? Adam's still

down in the reactor room working on it. He thinks

he can shave 20 minutes off the system reboot.

Hello? Hello! Is this thing on? It is now. Go

ahead, Flash. The evacuation's going okay. Lots

of minor injuries, but no casualties. They were

fortunate. That's not how they see it. They're

pretty mad. They think it's our fault, John.

Do what you can to keep a lid on things. I'll

send additional help. I wouldn't. They're scared

of us as it is. If we can help it, we should

try not to look like an invading army, you know?

Agreed. Keep me updated. Continuing coverage

live from Covenant, New Mexico, where a huge

explosion has caused tremors detected as far

away as Japan. Although many agree that in the

instance before the explosion, they saw an energy

beam strike from the sky. Turn it off. Our sensors

are still out. This is the only information available.

Diana, John, Shaira, meet me in the main conference

room. Now. You too, John. What have we done?

We haven't done anything. An outside force took

control of the binary fusion generator. Whoever's

behind that is responsible for the destruction

of Cadmus. Not us. Tell that to all those people

in New Mexico. They're terrified of us. So is

the government. We can't let that stop us from

doing our job. We aren't here to be liked. We're

here to make the world a safer place. How are

we doing so far today? Come on, man. I don't

see the two goals as mutually exclusive. We should

make a gesture of cooperation. That's not a bad

idea. We could dismantle the binary fusion generator,

at least until our innocence has been proven.

I've seen it on a hundred worlds. Space -based

weapons always destabilize planetary politics.

Okay, getting rid of that thing is a start, but

it's not going to be enough. We have to regain

their trust. Then there's only one thing to do.

I need some light over here. May I have your

attention, please? I have an announcement to

make. Until it's been proven that we aren't responsible

for the tragedy in New Mexico, the founding members

are turning ourselves in to U .S. custody. Cooperate

fully with the investigation. Give them whatever

they ask for. But, Clark... Superman... Hold

the fort, Kara. We're counting on you. All of

you. You want me to what? Turn yourself over

into U .S. custody, along with the rest of us.

Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Meet us at the

coordinates I'm sending first. We should all

go over together. This is the single dumbest

plan I've ever heard. If you're feeling guilty,

clear your own name. Don't stand on the sidelines

waiting for somebody else to do it. We've already

voted. Five in favor. Six. You have to come with

us, Bruce. I don't have to do anything. I'm a

part -timer, remember? Up next is Panic in the

Sky. Professor Hamilton installs a transmitter

on Galatea's forehead, putting her into telepathic

contact with the Ultimen. He explains that without

it, the Ultimen are just blank slates, tabula

rassas, and Galatea is the one who will be controlling

them. As she prepares to leave on her mission,

she gives Hamilton a goodbye hug, calling him

Daddy. With that comment, Hamilton's face falls.

Aboard the watchtower, the crew are still working

flat out to restore main power as quickly as

possible. The first thing they get back is communications,

which allow them to speak to Flash, who reports

that, from the surface, mercifully, there are

no fatalities. Seeing a news report of the devastation,

Superman calls a meeting of the founders, Sans,

Flash, and Batman. He says they've lost the trust

of the people, and one woman proposes making

a gesture of cooperation. The founders announce

to the rest of the League that they will temporarily

be giving themselves up for arrest until their

innocence is proved. Before leaving, Superman

tells Kara to hold the fort. When called, Flash

agrees to come too, but Batman refuses absolutely.

Six of the seven founders surrender themselves

to the authorities. Aboard the watchtower. Sorry.

We'll get to that. We'll talk about that scene.

Yeah, we'll get to that. And you'll understand

why I'm laughing. Aboard the watchtower, the

systems detect a volley of incoming missiles

which deploy driller heads instead of explosive

payloads. The missiles strike, boring into the

hull and disgorging the ultimate. Galatea follows,

issuing two simple orders. Keep her way clear

of the station's reactor and then kill everyone

in the watchtower. I believe it was sanitize

the watchtower, which makes me think of them

with little scrubby brushes. Yes, it was sanitized,

the Watchtower, and yes, they should have been

having little toothbrushes to scrub people. Inside

Cadmus, Amanda Waller and General Eiling are

watching the progress of the attack when Batman

appears, knocking out Eiling, and confronts Waller.

He tells her that, moral considerations outside,

the League wouldn't have fired the cannon. They've

been keeping tabs on Cadmus for months, as witness

Superman's break into rescue question, and would

have known, That the facility was empty when

it was hit. The cannon was fired remotely, and

that out of the three people smart enough to

pull that off, the only one not already in the

watchtower was Lex Luthor. Batman suggests that

Waller start looking at him hard, then leaves.

It is uncertain whether he notices the attack

going on. A full -scale battle rages inside the

watchtower. Even the human support staff Though

told to stay sheltered, join in the fighting.

As a group of ultimate reach the infirmary, hunters

in question join the fray, as does Captain Adam,

who rises, still injured from his sickbed, having

decided which side he's on. Steel notices a danger

signal from the reactor room and flies down to

join Adam. As the League takes the upper hand,

Supergirl breaks off and flies down, and sees

Galatea wiping the floor with Steel. She's about

to sabotage the reactor and blow the watch higher

up, and tells Supergirl, but I was... What I'm

hoping is that you'll be dumb enough to try to

stop me. They fight, but Supergirl is outmatched.

Galatea is stronger and more aggressive than

she is. But as they fight, Supergirl goads her

with the fact that she's not a real person, and

Galatea becomes even more violent. Back at Cadmus,

Waller starts looking at Luthor, and it is taking

her an embarrassingly short time to discover

that Batman is right. Luthor has been poaching

the advanced technology from Cadmus and shipping

it to his laboratory in LexCorp. Hamilton confirms

that the technology could have been used to remotely

fire the Watchtower's cannon, but that's the

least of it. Waller calls Galatea and orders

her to CC attack. Galatea, who is about to kill

Kara, ignores the order. Steel awakens in time

to fire a blast that drives her back, reaching

the end of the restart process the power is restored.

As Galatea charges, Supergirl rips out a huge

power coupling and rams it into her stomach,

feeding her a massive surge of electricity. Up

on the bridge, the League cheers as the last

of the Ultimate are defeated, but the power goes

off as soon as it came back on. Supergirl helps

deal to his feet while Galatea is left on the

floor, twitching and catatonic. In his laboratory,

Luther has finished his great project, an android

body bearing his likeness, after the design of

a Meso, into which he will transfer his consciousness,

thus making himself immortal and super powerful.

Not only will his scheme succeed in making him

a living god, But he has made the Justice League

outlaw so that killing Superman, as he has always

dreamed, will now be an act of heroism. Before

starting the transfer, he is confronted by Batman,

who easily throws him out of the LexCorp window

with his mysterious super strength. Just before

Luther throws the transfer switch, Waller appears

with a Nando disassembler beam and disintegrates

the android, telling him he's under arrest. And

to back her up, the six founders have been released

from prison with Batman. and are standing before

them now. Superman tells Luther that he's outnumbered

and out of options, but Luther still refuses

to give in. Suddenly, Luther begins to writhe

and scream in pain, and mechanical tendrils erupt

from the flesh of his back and arms. A familiar

three -dot triangle appears on his chest, and

a skeletal face emerges from his stomach, accompanied

by a familiar voice. Brainiac. Panic in the Sky

and Divide We Fall. I love these two episodes,

but Panic in the Sky, we'll start with that.

I'm going to have to get this audio to put in

here. To do justice. No, no, no, yeah, but I'm

going to have to get the audio to put in here

probably at the very beginning of the podcast

so people will have already heard it, but this

is the single dumbest plan ever. I don't have

to do anything. I'm a part -timer, remember?

Oh, I love it. Now, I broke those up, obviously,

since there's, like, after he says this is the

single dumbest plan ever, there's other audio.

But, I mean, just putting those lines together,

just pure win. Yes. I love how this entire time

he's still been a part -timer. And he kindly

reminds them of that. So what if I'm a founding

member? I'm only part -time. Where's Batman?

Running late. The Batmobile lost a wheel and

the Joker got away. Hey! I added the hey part.

Okay, do you remember the rest of that? The whole,

yeah. Yes. When Catwoman sold her litter, Alfred

cleaned it up. There's another part. Oh, no,

I didn't know about that part. Okay, then. All

right, then. We'll have to talk about that later.

The missiles. Now, they specifically state that

they're Damocles missiles and they're from LexCorp

and everything else. And I thought, honestly,

like everybody else, that they were just going

to make the Watchtower go boom. But no, they're

Driller missiles. And you know what the first

thing I thought of was? Dig Dug? What? Dig Dug?

No. What's up? The weapon, the driller missile

weapon in Tomorrow Never Dies. It's been a long

time since I've seen that. There's the villain

in Tomorrow Never Dies, Elliot Carver. His people

use an underwater drilling missile to get into

the Devonshire to steal the nukes, and it drills

right through the ship. Wow. Yeah, so that's

what these reminded me of. Three people on Earth

know how to take control of the cannon, and two

of them are aboard the Watchtower. Who are the

other two? What I want to know is, who are the

three people besides Luthor? Okay, Luthor. Steel?

Steel might be a stretch, but Jaune most likely.

I wouldn't say Ray, because he's out of... Yeah,

he wasn't on the tower. Wasn't he on the tower?

Yeah, he was, because Kara picked him up, and

I was like, oh, that's a good little play. I

want to say Stars. What? Not Stars, Stripes.

Stripes, maybe. I would say it's probably Jon

Jones, obviously. I mean, Martian Manhunter,

obviously. Well, he would be the person that

would know the most about that system since he

built it, right? Yeah, exactly. It sure as hell

isn't Wally. No, no. It would probably be Jon,

Adam, and then Luthor is the third person. Batman?

Batman, maybe. Uh, Luther has his own agenda.

Uh, so much action. I mean, there, there was

like, like after I wrote down the, the Luther

has so much agenda has his own agenda line. I

just, I just started watching this episode. I

just, I, there was nothing I could write down

that would really, um, you know, do the episode

justice because there's so much really good action.

Then of course, girl fight. Okay. Again, this

kind of, harkens back to a conversation that

we had off of recording. But if you kill your

own twin, is that considered suicide? Or rather

your clone, not your twin, although it's interchangeable.

I really don't want to bring up that off -air

conversation. Yeah, but it's a valid question.

We're getting close to it. The way that I see

it is that... It's a single different entity?

Yeah, Galatea, even though she is a direct clone

of Supergirl, she has Supergirl's DNA, she's

a different person. They're not the same person.

I mean, so I don't know. Oh, man, I wish I'd

recorded that conversation. I'm glad you didn't.

No, son, you can't listen to Daddy's podcast.

There's a reason there's an explicit warning

on that. Exactly. Moving on. Yay, in response

to the Watchtower coming back on. And then, aw,

somebody blows down there. Yay, aw, what the

hell? And then it... When I first saw this episode,

and I knew because I had seen the previous episode

where Question tried to kill Luthor. But I knew

that Luthor had the super strength. And the first

time I saw this, and he throws Batman out the

window, I was like, What's going on? What the?

And I was like, Batman, no! And then I'm still

wondering whose hand it was that grabbed him.

Was it Wonder Woman's hand or was it Superman's

hand? Because I could not tell. Big manly hands.

Because she's an Amazon. Oh, my God. Because,

ladies and gentlemen, Amazonians have big manly

hands. Yes. Oh, the better to wield that broadsword.

Oh, wow. Did you actually think you could take

me down? Yeah, but on the off chance I might

have been wrong. I love Waller. Oh, right, but

on the off chance that I might have been wrong,

and then it just pauses, and then Flash is like,

ta -da. I got to say, I really love CCH Pounder

voicing Waller. She just puts so much into it.

Oh, there's so much emotion in this character.

She brings it to life. The one thing I love about

Waller as a character, though, is she always

has a backup. Oh, yeah. And we saw it in this

one, but I remember one of the recent Secret

Six episodes, there's a point where Waller's...

She's got a Manhunter robot, I think. And she

goes to the point of blowing up some of the zombies'

heads. just with explosive contacts. Because

everybody that she's got under her thumb, she's

got everything on these people, even to one point

where the main six characters have explosives

in their heads, if they know it or not. And she

promptly reminds some of them. So she's definitely

not someone to have on an enemy list, but as

a character, it's always great to see her...

You know, with backups, in backups, in backups.

Yeah. So I would love to see her do a refight

between her and Lex. Oh, yeah. Just now that

she knows exactly where, you know, to what extent

he's willing to go to and how tricky he is, I

want to see them, you know, play chess against

one another, basically. Yeah, exactly. And then

my final note was, and this is something even

I didn't expect at all. Whoa, Brainiac. Yeah.

Because it's like I noticed the three, the triangle,

you know, two nipples and the third nipple a

little bit below it. And then I was like, what

the, oh, my God. And then you have the steel.

Talk about having circuitry for your abdomen

there. Holy crap. Steel stomach. Just, I mean,

that easily was the most shocking moment of this

season. It's one hell of a cliffhanger, right?

Yeah. So what about you? What did you have for

this one? Oh, favorite lines. Boredom is my kryptonite.

Well, kryptonite's my kryptonite, but you get

the idea. Yeah. The father -daughter moment in

the beginning, that was it. Like I said before,

we're seeing the end up of the character arcs.

Right. It's supposed to be the end of the series,

so we finally get a little bit of closure, and

you can almost tell that Hamilton's... having

those thoughts of, oh, God, what have I done?

I'm sending my daughter, effectively my daughter,

out to potentially die. Oh, God, what am I doing?

Because it's a suicide mission. He knows this.

Oh, yeah. So the moment where they're saying

they're turning themselves in, for some reason

in my mind, I was thinking, Justice League, the

next generation. You know, Kara's being told

to hold the fort. The original seven are going.

I'm like, are we going to have a whole spin -off

series? So the missile's coming in. I couldn't

help but think of Missile Command. I'm sorry,

but I love the fact that Batman took out Eiling

without even batting an eyelash. Just like, bam,

bam, bam. Okay, I'm done. I'm here to talk to

Waller. It was a completely one -sided beatdown.

Oh, yeah, it was. Wasn't this the episode where

Batman calls her on the president line? She's

like, how did you get this number? Yep. I thought

that was really, really great as well. What else?

I will say that one of the best scenes was Red

Tornado versus Three of the Wind Dragon. Oh,

yeah. Like, he's not even batting an eyelash,

not that he has any, but he's just like, oh,

okay, there's more. They're, like, putting all

they can into it, and he's just like, oh, okay,

I'll just amp it up to four. Click. And since

you brought up Red Tornado, we should mention

that apparently they rebuilt him, because the

last time we saw him, he got cut in half by a

mazo. And now he's back, better than ever. Just,

oh, okay. Yep. I'm not going to worry about you

little chumps. I kind of expect him to go, Suey.

Let's see, I've got Go Waller. So, I didn't bat

an eyelash when Luther caught the exploding batarang.

I don't know why. I just was like, oh, he caught

it and exploded. Huh. Big reveal, and I'm just

left going, well, that kind of explains it, yeah.

Shit. But it's one of those things where we've

noticed over the last few episodes that he knows

he has, like, when he starts hitting the question,

He's like, oh, where did this come from? Oh,

wait, screw it. I don't care where this came

from. I have super strength. And he just starts

beating down the question. I never even caught

that. That was a side effect of the radiation.

No, yeah, no. And then here, when Batman throws

the Batarang and Lex just reaches up and it explodes

in his hand and nothing happens, I love Batman's

reaction because, you know. You know, Lex Luthor,

when he's not possessed by Brainiac, he's a regular

human being, just like Batman. So an exploding

Batarang technically should have taken his hand

off. I mean, you know, granted it's no lightsaber,

but I mean, still, it should have taken his whole

hand off. I agree. It's kind of like, huh, all

right. This is interesting. Yes. And like you

said, the cliffhanger of Brainiac, I was, oh

my god. Your head just kind of exploded. Yeah,

kind of. Overall, this episode is just, it's

easily my favorite out of, and I know it's kind

of like setting up Divide We Fall and setting

up the end of this season and all that, but I

just, I really liked all of the action in this,

because it was just non -stop action. I will

say this was a very, very good episode, but not

my favorite for this season. Well, it's one of

my favorites. It's not, like, my overall favorite,

I think, is the next episode, which is Divided

We Fall, but... See, I'm kind of split between

that. I'm between the next episode we're going

to cover and the last. Yeah, but there's... I

guess because I like Waller so much. Yeah, I

don't want to jump too far ahead into the last

episode because there's reasons why we're covering

it the way we are, and I'll explain that a little

bit later. But yeah, overall, Panic in the Sky,

one of the best episodes of this season. So with

that, we are going to move on. We are one, and

we comprehend. We can build a machine that will

allow us to absorb the information of the entire

Earth in a single stroke. And then, the galaxy,

the entire universe, will remake the universe.

Watchtower, send rapid response teams to the

transmitted coordinates. We need backup. That's

going to be a problem, Jean. The Ultimen wrecked

every javelin in the landing bay, and the teleporters

are still down. They hardly seem worth the trouble

sometimes. All Justice leaders, report to the

transmitted coordinates immediately. This is

an Omega -level alarm. All available members

and associates respond immediately. We're scrambling

now, but at top speed we're over an hour away.

I doubt any of the others can get here any faster.

Then the seven of us will have to be enough.

Next up we have Divided We Fall. Inside LexCorp,

the seven founding members of the Justice League

and Amanda Waller have just been treated to a

bizarre sight of Brainiac emerging from inside

Lex Luthor's body. But no one is more surprised

than Luthor himself. Brainiac explains that he

inserted a microscopic copy of himself into Luthor's

body when he forced Luthor to build him a new

body inside LexCorp years earlier. Since then,

he has grown steadily until Luthor was, for all

intents and purposes, acting under his control.

As a byproduct of his occupancy, Brainiac cured

Luthor's kryptonite poisoning cancer and gave

him his mysterious super strength. The last act

Luthor was to accomplish was to transfer Brainiac's

consciousness into the more suitable android

body. Having had enough... X position, the League

attacks, but when Luthor Brainiac Hybrid was

able to convert the building to mechanical constructs,

with which he overpowers the League, but Jaune

breaks free of their restraints and smashes Brainiac's

body. In his final move, Brainiac converts the

entire top of the Lexcorp Tower into an enormous

skull -like robot and attacks again, but the

combined power of the League manages to destroy

it. However, the fight was only a diversion.

Under Brainiac's control, Luther is walking along

a sewer to find a place where he can stop and

repair himself. Brainiac makes clear that he

regards Luther as only a temporary vessel, which

Brainiac will digitize and then destroy for his

programming. Luther points out that Brainiac's

programming is devoid of purpose. Its ultimate

end is simply for him to digitize and then destroy

the entire universe. After that nothing, Luther

says he can show Brainiac a higher purpose. In

a conference with Waller, the League deduces

that since Brainiac's body is entirely nanotechnological

now, he will got a cadmus to harness the power

of the Dark Heart. They call for backup, but

the League teams on the ground are too far away,

and the Watchtower cannot send help. The Javelins

were all wrecked in the attack, and the teleporters

are still down. Sometimes I wonder why we even

bother. Sure enough, as soon as they arrive,

Brainiac has done just that, absorbing the nanotechnology.

A new entity has created a true fusion of Luthor

and Brainiac, which has created a machine that

will enable him to instantly observe. and then

destroy all the knowledge stored on Earth, and

then the universe, only they will now be able

to remake the universe to their liking. To fight

the League, Brainiac conjures up android replicas

of the Justice Lords, each of which confronts

its opposite and goads him or her with his or

her worst fears. Superman, the fear, the others

that his power inspires. Lantern, his heartbreak

over Shaira. Shaira, her status as an outcast

on both Thanagar and Earth. Flash is in his immaturity

compared with the rest of the League. Now, I

want to bring this up really quick before I continue,

because this is the only time we see a Justice

Lords costume Flash. Is it? Yep. He was dead

in A Better Earth, or A Better World. Oh, that's

right. That's one of the reasons why they went

rogue, because Flash died. But this is the first

time that we see a Justice Lord version of Flash.

They are all resistant to the goading and defeat

their counterparts and manage to destroy the

machine. But Brainiac is still too powerful for

them. All of them are knocked unconscious except

for Flash. Luthor Brainiac prepares to kill Flash,

but Flash vibrates free of his restraints. and

is left standing alone against Luther Brainiac.

Luther Brainiac taunts, Are you going to fight

me, boy? Flash hesitates and then streaks away.

Luther Brainiac begins reassembling his machine,

and then Flash hurtles at him from the opposite

direction, having run so fast that he has circled

the globe in only a few seconds, and hitting

Luther with enough force to tear away a chunk

of his android armor. Excuse me. Flash makes

his fastest run ever, circling the world faster

and faster each time, hitting Luther harder and

harder each time. Then he stops, his body crackling

with the speed energy he's tapped into, and applies

his vibrating hands to Luther's armor, tearing

it completely away and leaving him half -naked

and helpless at the bottom of a crater. As the

League rises from unconsciousness, Flash stands

unsteady and then fades completely away to the

other's horror. Luther manages a weak chuckle.

What do you know? I did kill him. Wrong thing

to say. Now is the moment of truth for Superman.

He seizes Luther and his eyes glow red and then

fade away. At the end of the day, he is not a

Justice Lord, no matter how much he wished he

could do what that one did. Then Jaune shouts

that Flash is still alive. He can sense him telepathically.

Shayara reaches in the direction Jaune is pointing,

and her hand touches a portal through some other

dimension, the Speed Force, into which Flash

has been pulled. She seizes his hand, and all

six of them form a chain. It then takes all their

combined strength to pull Flash back. A short

distance away, Waller tells the President to

call off the airstrike against Brainiac. The

next day, Superman addresses the crowd in Metropolis,

including the members of the Expanded League,

the Watchtower support crew, the press, the various

citizens. He says that the League has been guilty

of arrogance and has alienated the people it

is trying to protect. That being the case, the

founders have decided to disband the League and

decommission the Watchtower. This is the end.

And then, of course, Green Arrow is the one that

gives the impassioned speech. in the silence

that follows the founders begin to dismount the

stage but green arrow steps forward says who

you remember what we did yesterday we saved the

world again you don't think that has any value

well think again pal the justice league goes

on with or without you look nobody can question

your service or commitment to making things better

If you're quitting because you think you've already

done your fair share, fine, we'll throw you a

parade. But if you're quitting because it's easier

than continuing the fight, then you're not all

the heroes we thought you were. The world needs

the Justice League, and the Justice League needs

you, Superman. Yeah, I thought I did pretty good

mimicking all of you there. This speech is greeted

with applause from the crowd. It is a turning

point for Superman. After so many years, he feels

he has finally regained the trust he lost when

they attacked the Earth under Darkseid's control.

Bowing to the crowd's pressure, he agrees that

the League will stay in service, but they have

to make changes to ensure they remain in touch

with the people. As Superman goes on, Batman

excuses himself and throws a verbal wink to Arrow,

who has justified Batman's reasons for recruiting

him. That evening, the Daily Planet, Clark Kent

drops in on Lois, and she is finishing her story

on the league. He is surprised to hear that she

is using the adjective ambivalent, and she shoots

back that her job is to be as tough on Superman

as she is on any subject, but only because he

himself has set such high standards. After all,

she finishes, he's only human. Well, you know

what I mean. And Clark smiles. Let me just look

at my notes here really quick. I don't have a

whole lot, so I'm just going to breeze through

these, and we can kind of go back and forth.

I linked you to the DCAU wiki page for the Superman

the Animated Series, Ghost in the Machine, and

that's actually where the continuity of the DCAU

for all these episodes, that's actually where

it started, if you look at it. Brainiac had lain

dormant in Luthor since Ghost in the Machine

episode from Superman the Animated Series. I

totally missed that episode because I didn't

catch it. When I saw that, I was like, oh, did

I miss something? I was looking for it on YouTube,

and I cannot find that episode on YouTube, but

I'm sure people would be able to find it somewhere

online. I'll be dipped. Be gone. Yeah. I love

that line. That was one of the few things I wrote

down for this, and it was like, I'll be dipped.

Oh, my God. Did I just come out of a wall? Lex,

triple nibble. Okay, I didn't get that. Triple

nibble because brain aches. But it was like,

I didn't go there. Hey, it's the fact that I've

seen Mallrats. Hello. That was the first thing

that popped in my mind. Hey, Superman and Green

Lantern, no crossing the streams, damn it. When

they destroy the Brainiac skull thing. The animation

in this episode, the animation in this series

on a whole has been amazing, but this animation

in this episode, was just so... This was like

mind -blowing awesomeness. They definitely put

everything that they could into this. Yes, they

so did. And then again, Batman with his lines,

then the seven of us will have to be enough.

You're right. I am in here, and I like it. Less

talking, more hitting. I love that. That is Shayura.

Yeah, exactly. I was actually shocked to see

the Justice Lords reborn, because I thought it

was actually them. I didn't really see it first.

When I first saw this episode, before I had seen

it multiple times, when I first saw it on Cartoon

Network, I didn't really see that it was Brainiac

Luthor making clone people, because they were

originally just... regular blank slate androids.

And he's like, oh, no, we can do better. And

then it shows up as the Justice Lords, and I

was just so shocked at that. Flash running away.

Oh, he's building up to the Speed Force. May

the Force be with you. And I kind of already

mentioned it in the synopsis, but what do you

know? I did kill him. Yep. That was like the

worst thing he could say. I'm like, he did not.

Oh, he is so dumb. And my final line is something

that Flash said, and we will actually call back

to this when we get to the great brain robbery

in Season 5. I can never go that fast again.

Oh, but doesn't he? So what about you, sir? What

do you got for Divided We Fall? Brainiac, the

cure for cancer. Why am I working so damn hard

in school, then? While I'm not taking any prisoners.

While I'll be dipped. Except for the language

barrier. Okay, so we get to see the league in

full form, not holding any punches, trashing

the crap. out of giant floating heads. Why don't

they use them in beast machines? That's all I'm

saying. He's going to go to where he can get

the most technology as quick as possible. He's

going to Radio Shack, because that's where all

technology goes to die. Late in aggression there,

John. Beating the crap out of the evil version

of Shayira. Well, she broke my heart. Same. What

else? Let's see. The fact that we love the Flash.

All in all, this was definitely Flash -centric,

if you think about it. Yeah, it was. We see the

point where in the last episode, he took the

initiative to go and find a way to get everybody

down there to help those people. He didn't wait

for Jaune. Or Jaune, rather. And that... shows

a lot of his character growth, especially now

when he's the last one that takes out Luther.

When he's willing to do that one sacrifice that

every superhero is for, it just shows this huge

character growth when we go from the old Wally

that was Mr. Goofball to the guy that's trying

to pay for all the food he has to eat through

really bad endorsements. I mean, Wally's overall...

Character development in this cartoon is amazing,

even though I think it was this season where

the first five or six or seven episodes, Wally

either didn't appear or he didn't even have a

speaking line. I mean, there was that one episode,

The Return, when Amazo came back, where the only

thing was Wally was part of the ground team.

The only thing you heard from him was some sort

of... some sort of groan to let you know that

he was still alive. I mean, it took until these

last couple episodes that we've talked about

for them to really use Wally. And I think one

of the reasons why they did that, and this is

just me reading into what they did, obviously.

I'm not an inside source to Bruce Timm or anything

like that. I kind of wish I was. But I think

that they didn't use Wally in the very beginning

of this season to kind of make you miss him.

And then all of a sudden, these last two episodes

are pretty much WALL -E -centric as far as character

development. I think we definitely saw the end

of his character growth. Mind you, I haven't

seen the next season that much. But if this was

the end, if they weren't going to get another

season, this is, you know, bravo. Bravo. Oh,

yeah. So much, yes. So much bravo. So what else

you got? Best Flash Woman ever. Oh, where's Wonder

Woman? She's in her invisible jet. You can't

see her! I love the way that Brainiac says that.

Now, where is Wonder Woman? Yes, I thought that

was so funny. You've got my number. Yeah. The

Latin part at the end. between Batman and Green

Arrow. That was such a Watchmen tossback. Who...

Quantum Custodium... Sorry, my Latin sucks. But

who watches The Watchmen? Yeah. They just kind

of tweaked it a little bit. But still, who watches

The Watchmen? Yeah. Well, of course they would

have to tweak it to fit into this continuity,

but it still translates to the same thing. So

that's very, very, very cool. That's what I've

got. Yes. And, yeah, I'll be bringing this up

in the next review, but, I mean, technically,

you know, this season of... of Justice League,

this was going to be it. I mean, this was...

So, I mean, they went out with a bang. So, yeah,

we're going to move on. Finally up today is Epilogue.

65 years from now. Terry McGinnis, now in his

early 30s, breaks into the high -security home

of Amanda Waller. Now a very old woman, he confronts

her and demands answers. She seems unsurprised

to see him and insists on telling the story at

her own pace. Months earlier, Bruce, now in his

80s, was suffering a kidney failure and needed

a tissue donation to clone new organs. Terry

was tested and found to be a perfect compatible

match. Surprise, Terry had his DNA checked and

was found to be Bruce's genetic son. Terry is

at first angry, believing that Bruce masterminded

the whole thing in order to ensure that he had

a successor. In his mind, Terry imagines himself

storming into the Baton. I was going to say the

Batman cave, the Batcave, and confronting Bruce,

who doesn't deny the accusation and insists that

the world will always need Batman. Terry also

imagines himself withdrawing from the Justice

League, saying Batman is dead, and breaking up

with Dana, whom he has continued dating since

high school and now knows his secret identity.

In the present, Waller tells Terry the truth.

She was the mastermind, not Bruce. After the

Luther Brainiac crisis, Waller went from being

the League's chief antagonist to being their

ally. Her role as the government liaison to the

League, she came to know Batman very well. Gaining

a great deal of respect for him, she also met

a lot of interesting people, but none of them

were comparable to Batman as he saved the day

using his wits, body, and will. To make her point,

Waller tells Terry a story of crisis that occurred

before he was born. Ace, the last member of the

Royal Flush Gang, began causing havoc when her

powers developed beyond causing hallucinations

to being able to alter the fabric of reality

itself. Waller warned the League that Ace was

on the verge of dying, but a brain aneurysm and

a resulting psychic backlash would cause the

massive destruction and loss of life. At some

point, Cadmus retrieved a special weapon to kill

her and prevent the disaster, which Batman volunteered

to use. However, when he reached her, he wouldn't

use the weapon. Instead, he asked Ace to reverse

the changes she had made and comforted her over

her lost childhood. With him by her side, she

died peacefully and the world returned to normal.

That incident demonstrated to Waller that Batman's

greatest attributes were his compassion and his

iron refusal to ever take a life. But as time

went on, Waller saw him age and realized he wouldn't

be around forever or might eventually be killed.

However, in her mind, the world needed a Batman.

Waller used her old Project Cadmus contacts to

launch Project Batman Beyond. Bruce's DNA was

obtained years previously during one of his exploits.

She found a young couple, Warren and Mary McGinnis,

that were almost identical psychiatric match

for Dr. Thomas and Martha Wayne. When Warren

went in for what he thought was a flu shot, his

reproductive DNA was overwritten by that of Bruce

Wayne's by nanobots. A year later, Terry McGinnis

was born, genetically the son of Mrs. Mary McGinnis

and Bruce Wayne. genetics however do not alone

make a batman so waller hired an assassin to

kill terry's parents when he was eight years

old as the three of them were leaving the movie

theater showing the gray ghost strikes again

hoping to see the same tragedy would cause the

same response however The Phantasm couldn't bring

herself to kill them, as Batman could never or

would never resort to murder that would destroy

everything he stood for. Waller was forced to

agree, and the project was effectively scrapped.

With the McGinnises spared, Matt McGinnis would

be born. However, nine years later, due to cruel

twist of fate, Terry's father was killed anyway,

which set a chain of events that turned Terry

into Batman. Convinced that Bruce wouldn't tell

him the whole story, Terry confronts Waller.

Waller implies that she believed it was a form

of divine intervention which led to the death

of his father. Why Terry became Batman was a

mystery, but she still says he is free to choose

his own path. He is Bruce's son, not his clone.

may not be as smart as the old Batman, but he

is every bit devoted to helping others. In parting,

she gives him some last advice. If you want to

have a little better life than the old man's,

take care of the people who love you. Or don't.

It's your choice. Taking this advice to heart,

Terry returns to Wayne Manor, prepares to propose

to Dana, shares a moment of mostly unspoken reconciliation

with Bruce, and takes off to speak with Superman

on a case. The skies of Gotham, something winged

flies past a police hovercraft, causing one of

the pilots to ask, did you see that? Yeah, this

is them tying everything up. Now, in that synopsis,

I had mentioned a lot about Batman Beyond. Now,

if people haven't seen Batman Beyond before Justice

League, the way the DC animated universe timeline

goes, Batman the Animated Series, Superman the

Animated Series, Justice League, and then Batman

Beyond. However, Batman Beyond was a series that

ran from 1999 to 2001. So technically that aired

first, and then Justice League started in 2001.

So technically Batman Beyond is the future. But

it is the evolving story. It's mainly the story

of Terry McGinnis. But they wanted to tie into

the old Batman show as well. So that's where

that... And again, most of my notes are from

when I very first watched this. Because I'll

watch these episodes every now and then. But

it's one of those things where every time I watch

this, I still get... Shocked. And my first note

was, whoa, Waller's house and Terry. What's Terry

doing there? One of my main complaints about

this specific episode, I'm not too thrilled that

they used the JLU intro. I think it would have

been better if they used a mashup between Batman

Beyond and Justice League Unlimited, kind of

like what they did with the new Batman Superman

Adventures. I don't know if you ever saw some

of those episodes, Lupus, but the new Batman

Superman Adventures basically combined the theme

songs of Batman the Animated Series and Superman

the Animated Series into one theme. And I wish

that they would have done that here some way.

I understand they wanted to pretty much do whatever

they wanted in case this was the end of the series

of Justice League, but I just don't like... The

fact that they just used the Justice League Unlimited

theme, even though I love that theme, I just

wish that they would have done something a little

bit differently. Questions for Waller. I'm the

goddamn Batman Beyond. I don't want any damn

tea. Terry and Dana dating for 15 years. When

did Terry tell Dana about the secret? That's

what I want to know. That's a good question.

I was kind of like, oh, you don't want to deal

with the Batman's people coming after me, blah,

blah, blah. I'm like, wait, how the hell does

she know? Bruce must have been pissed. Well,

and again, if you haven't seen, I mean, Batman

Beyond doesn't really go into it as far as them.

I mean, yes, Batman Beyond shows them as, you

know, obviously Terry in this episode is 30.

Back then he was 15, 16. So in Batman Beyond,

he is 15, 16. So while it does show them dating

in high school, we never actually see anything

further until this episode. So, yeah, I would

have liked to know when exactly Terry told Dana

about the secret. I love the Batman is deadline.

For some strange reason, I love when Terry says

that because I just thought it was amazing. Being

Batman's no honor, it's a curse. Wah. Wah. Sorry.

Cleaning up Cadmus' messes. More Royal Flush

Gang. They used the Royal Flush Gang like a revolving

door. Bruce is Terry's father. Why did I write

down Ace Boom? Ace Spoon? No, not Ace Spoon.

Ace Boom. Oh, no, I thought that was in reference

to the dog. No, it's in reference to Ace, her

actual... What would happen to her if... Yeah,

if the backlash had happened, that's what that's...

Okay, yeah. Follow the yellow brick road, Batman.

It's weird seeing Batman sitting on a swing set.

Yeah. Waller was the government liaison to Justice

League. That's very interesting. That was very

appropriate, though, wasn't it? I think it would

have been more appropriate if they had gone with

that in the next 13 episodes instead of using

Rick Flag. Not Rick Flag. Who the hell did they

use? Was it Rick Flag? No, it was Faraday. Agent

Faraday. Bruce's DNA was easily enough to obtain.

He left it all over town. Not remotely what I

meant. That was awesome. Oh, you mean now I've

got brothers and sisters too? Andrea Beaumont,

a .k .a. Phantasm, was the assassin. Again, they

are, Bruce, Tim, and company are pretty much,

they're connecting everything because they didn't

know what. that they were going to get another

13 episodes. You want Bruce's clone, you're his

son. Terry's going to propose to Dana. Ken called.

Just nothing apocalyptic. Just wants your opinion

on the case he's working. So I love that even

though the Justice League flashback, the only

two members that Webbing, like I know of Dr.

Light. Just because I've seen action figures

of her, and I saw her earlier in the cartoon,

and she made a background appearance. But the

only two real League members in that flashback

are obviously Batman and Chayera. I would have

still liked to have seen some of the other League

members that are more recognizable. Well, I guess

it would also depend on if you're a comic geek

or not, because she does play some prominent

League... positions later on in the comics. Especially

after the main seven kind of disappear out of

it for a while. Yeah, but again... She's kind

of like the beta wave of characters. Yeah, but

again, sticking with the cartoon continuity and

not the comics. Did you see that? It was the...

The line that one of the police helicopter pilots

said. Wasn't that from the very first episode

of Batman, though? Yep. This potentially was

the end of JLU. This is why Epilogue is here.

And they were harking back to the beginning of

BTS at the end of this episode with Batman flying

through the sky. I wish... And I know they didn't

know this at the time that they were producing

Batman Beyond, but I don't feel that Epilogue

fits with JLU. I just don't feel like it does.

I feel like... I mean, if you were really going

to do it, do it after Destroyer in Season 5.

because Destroyer shows us, and of course we'll

get to that, but at the end of Destroyer, it

shows all the heroes running down the stairs

and that they're going to continue the fight.

So I think Epilogue would have been better placed

there. However, I know at the time they didn't

think that they were going to get picked up and

everything else, so they put it here. But all

in all, I really love this episode. What about

you? I liked that we got to see the end of Waller's

story arc. Like, we see what happens to her at

the end, what goes on with this character, and

why she changes from this uber badass bitch to

this old frail woman that is sassy and cocky

and gives, you know, the new Batman lots of shit.

Seriously, I had four notes for this, and we've

kind of run through them. Sorry? No, no. There

is one thing that really did kind of threw me,

though. When she's going over the whole experience

of going after the Royal Flush Gang and why he

is so compassionate and everything else, she

doesn't say that his power is compassionate,

but the fact that he... is the one that would

do anything to get the job done. That's why she

gives him that remote. And why she knows he will

take care of the issue with Ace. Because he is

the one that isn't afraid to break rules, except

for those few moral ones that he has. The only

rule that Batman has ever had, at least to my

knowledge, is that he does not kill. Anything

else... Au contraire. But... Go ahead. Okay,

so, again, you're going to hate me because I'm

bringing up the comics, but there's two rules

that he always had. One was no guns, and two,

he wouldn't kill. And he broke both of those

when he tried to kill Darkseid. He had a gun,

he shot, he fired, and that would bring the whole

fiasco of Batman being dead. Anyway. What are

you talking about? He had a gun and shot Darkseid.

He shot Darkseid. Final Crisis. Okay, well, again,

I'm not mad. It's fine if you want to bring that

up. But anyway, what I'm saying is when I wrote

this down, I did not expect him to be Mr. Compassionate

or to follow those rules. I thought it was one

of those he does what has to be done. That's

what set him aside from the rest of the original

six. So I wrote down Batman, child killer. But

I seriously did not see coming that he would

be the compassionate one to sit there and hold

her during her time of death. And it was very,

very touching. But at the same time, that's what

makes him such a kindred spirit to Waller. That

they would both do whatever it takes to save

the day, regardless of what it is, what their

moral standing is, as long as it's for the same

purpose. Right, yeah. But I think this is definitely

one of the best episodes that I've seen. Yeah.

Especially in this last season. Oh, yeah. Exactly.

What else you got? Is that it? Yeah, rapid weight

loss for Waller. Apparently, like, you know,

they came out with a diet pill. Nobody told me.

But, yeah, that's pretty much it. Just yay Terry,

and then yay for the Phantasm. We get to see

her and the complete roundup of all these obscure

things from all the DCU. Yep. Yeah, it was, like

I said, it was pretty much them going for it,

tying everything together, and it was just amazing.

Again, I kind of wish that the Justice League

scene would have had... I mean, even... If it

just had flashed there, you know, someone else

that I knew. I mean, yeah, the league scene was

kind of short because mainly it was a Batman

scene after, you know, he says to Shaggar that,

you know, he's the only one of them that Ace

knows. But I just wish that there was more leaguers

than I actually knew doing the fighting originally.

But other than that, yeah, I love this episode.

I think we're going to go to some audio, and

then we'll come back with the outro. I don't

know. My dad wasn't a superhero. He didn't save

the world from the near apocalypse of 09. He

never went toe -to -toe with Mr. Freeze, but

he was a good man just the same. Even after he

and Mom got divorced, he always tried to do the

right thing. My brother and I were always provided

for. When Mom couldn't quite make the bills,

he always helped out, tried to teach me right

from wrong. Would have, too, if I'd ever listened

to him. And he never laid a hand on me, although

Lord knows I was asking for it. What's your point?

My point is I never once doubted that he loved

me with all his heart. My point is all those

warm feelings I had for my dad, turns out they

were just another lie. Another in the long list

of things you've stolen from me. My point is

I just found out that Warren McGinnis isn't my

father. You are. What do you want from me? I

want to know the whole truth. Sounds like you

already do. Guess I didn't want to believe you

were so incredibly arrogant that you thought

the world couldn't go on without you. It's not

arrogance. It's fact. You set the whole thing

up. How? You were already a teenager when I first

met your mother. I don't know. Maybe you dug

up some of that old Cadmus nanotech. Used it

to have my genes rewritten to match yours. That

technology's been illegal for over 40 years.

Didn't stop the Joker from using it on Tim Drake.

Alright, low blow. Because you'd never lie to

me, right? Fine. But you know as well as I do,

accident or not, it's a good thing that you're

almost a clone of me. The world does need a Batman,

and it always will. Well... That is, that's it

for episode 19. Overall, a very well done, a

very well thought out ending to what could have

been the end of Justice League. As I've said

throughout this entire episode, they did not

know that they were going to get picked up again

for another 13 episodes. But if it had ended

the way that it, if they had ended it the way

that, you know, and it didn't have that additional

season. I would have been completely fine with

the way that they had ended this. It was just

amazing. It was great. Yes. So, so great. But

then they went and did 13 more. So, thank you

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