Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Review

And welcome to transformers toy cast and this

episode is this gonna be a supplemental It's

we're not gonna be discussing toys. I guess we

can within the discussion, but we're gonna be

talking about Revenge of the fallen we've all

seen it. I have Gary slash optimus courage with

me and the goddamn proto man. Hello guys Hey,

how y 'all doing? I'm doing pretty good. I guess

So yeah, this was kind of like a spur -of -the

-moment thing cuz Gary couldn't remember what

day it was He thought we were doing toy cast

tonight the the contest reveal and that's not

until tomorrow night Incredible amounts of toys

to pay for lawyer fees. So I don't want to get

into it any further than that So yeah, I've lost

track of time. I shipped 35 boxes yesterday My

mind is mush, but I saw the movie again today

at a matinee. So that that cared the hangover

of that No wonder this thing is almost at the

four hundred million dollar mark. You're putting

more money into it than anybody else I've gone

once to opening night myself I took my kids the

next day to a matinee. So that's four tickets.

And then I took my wife and kids. That's four

more tickets. That's what? Like eight there.

And then I went myself the last two days at a

matinee. And I got one for free because they

messed up something on my order. So I wasn't

going to go for the fifth time. I was just going

to wait. But I ended up going for free. Feel

bad only seeing it three times Well, I've only

seen once and I barely remember it actually only

because it was such a horror to try to get out

to the theater that well Don't worry. We'll kind

of you know, yes Good No, no, I forgot what I

was gonna say. Go ahead. I go ahead. Well, no,

I was gonna say there The reason why we're doing

this under Toycast is because, you know, Steve

and I have already talked about the movie, but

I mean, I can't stop talking about it, and I

know that you guys want to get in on a discussion

on it, so that's why we're doing this as a supplemental

for Toycast. Because that's the show that you

guys are on. And somebody up in Canada is going

to party tomorrow night, so apparently he won't

be on Toycast tomorrow night. That's your right.

It's your cue proto man. Oh I'm partying tomorrow

night. Oh, you told me yet You told me tomorrow

the Canadian holiday and you said you wouldn't

be around. Oh, yeah. Well, I won't be around

Yeah, you know, we've all seen and I've seen

it once you guys have seen it multiple times

I I actually enjoyed it for the most part. Outside

of my travel problems to and from the theater,

I did enjoy it. I thought it was a hell of a

lot better than the first one. And I guess we

can go beat by beat, whoever wants to start first.

My memory is kind of vague at this point. Well,

I guess I could give the overall summaries. Well.

I guess we should entering spoiler space here

for anyone who's listening to the podcast And

at this point if you have not seen the movie,

what's your goddamn problem? But okay. Yeah So

get out there and see it. Yeah, don't listen

to us What are you doing sitting here listening

to our podcast save us and put it aside and go

see the movie but anyways So pretty much the

movie opens up with optimist prime again talking

about You know, more back history of the race

of the Transformers and how they used to be on

Earth, you know, I think it was 12 ,100 BC or

something. I don't remember what the number was

exactly. And it's pretty much showing the building

of the mysterious object, which we would later

see as the Harvester, the Sun Harvester. And

we get a quick glimpse of what the Fallen is

and what he's doing there. But we're not told

that much about it or who this mysterious character

is. Just that the Transformers have met with

the humans once before and then accused to the

beginning of the actual movie itself Which then

started was it a million years ago? It was supposed

to be 12 ,000 BC if I remember correctly Something

like that because it couldn't be a million years

ago because there was humans so right There was

there was humans There wasn't humans 12 million

years ago anyways So what ends up happening is

that we have the start of the movie which a lot

of people regard as probably the best chunk of

the movie which is the first half hour or so

which starts where we're introduced to what's

going on now in the present and we're in Shanghai

and There's a mysterious gas leak that's going

on in the whole area and Shanghai is getting

evacuated, but we know what's really going on.

It's actually a big government cover up of a

new elite force that has been gathered by the

government called Nest, which is pretty much

a worldwide cooperation with the Autobots to

hunt down the remaining Decepticons. And it consists

of the Americans and they made a shout out to

the United Kingdom because we saw some guy with

a UK Flag on him. So it's clearly it's a multinational

force that's been put together And we're introduced

to some crazy scenes where we're shown the RC

triplets if you want to call them that chromia

moon racer and RC were introduced quickly to

skids and mudflap and their first appearance

also in the movie verse who are Actually first

appearing in their legendary ice cream truck

mode, which is the Decepticon sign suck my popsicle

My popsicle I hope people labels makes that for

the toy. Oh, they will clearly they will of course

Spencer is gonna get right on top of that. I

know that And we're also shown side swipe and

we're shown who else was a new addition to the

Autobots I think that was it at the moment You

had Jolt, but he didn't really do anything. If

you squint, Jolt is there. He was a last -minute

addition per request of Chevy. What ends up happening

is the humans with the Autobots at the moment

in the scene, which would be Ironhide, are tracking

a Decepticon. It's really cool because they kind

of play out Ironhide like G1. Hound, how he had

kind of like a sensing ability where he was a

tracker. A classic line from G1 Hound was, let

me loose prime and I'll sniff him out. And so

it was kind of cool to have Ironhide that also

kind of had... I guess I'm reading too much into

it, but it was kind of like I could smell them.

You know, it was just... It was a really cool

line. Yeah, yeah. Ironhide said, he's here. I

can smell him as he was transforming. And then

the soldiers got behind those barrels and they

were getting thermal readings. So there was a

thermal ripple of some mysterious thing. And

we are introduced to our first Decepticon in

the movie, which is... Commander Doomwheels.

Yeah, definitely. Or as I like to call him, the

bastard child of a Constructicon and Beast Machines

thrust. But anyways... Really? You don't like

Commander Doom wheels? You know what? He was

the first Voyager I bought and the only reason

why I bought him... I ended up buying all the

Voyagers in the end, but the reason why I picked

him above the others was because the others at

the time were just, well, repaints or slight

remolds. So he was a new mold and I wanted to

check that out. And he's not bad, but it's just

that... I find, to me, when you kind of go with

the wheel leg, you're just kind of being a little

lazy. But again, it's movie aesthetic, so I kind

of have to just accept that and move along. Yeah,

I got the toy just because of that shot where

he obliterates that overpass. We'll get to that

pretty much, and then we can all gush about it

after that scene ends. So what ends up happening

is he transforms and he Well, like you said,

he obliterates everyone, practically. He's knocking

barrels around, humans are getting squashed.

Yeah, trashing helicopters. Yeah, they send in

two helicopters, he trashes them. And then we're

introduced to a second Decepticon that also has

been hiding in the midst, which is Sideways,

who is sadly not named in the movie, just like

Demolishor. Sideways also engages and he starts

driving around. The RC Triplets chase after him,

and then we also see his robot mode for about,

I would say, 5 .2 seconds. He transforms, goes

through some Asian dude's house, and then transforms

back into vehicle mode. That's the last time

we'll see Sideways' robot mode for the rest of

the movie. Yeah, that was it. He basically was

driving while they were chasing him, like you

said, transformed, jumped through the house,

and went right back into car mode. So what we

pretty much saw in the trailer... But that was

it. Yeah. What about sideways first before you

continue? Go ahead. Is he a character from any

previous cartoon or where does he come from?

The story of sideways, the first actual debut

of the name of sideways was used in Armada. And

in Armada, the character Sideways was a double

agent. That's what he was played out to be originally.

He was a double agent that worked for both the

Autobots and the Decepticon, but he had some

kind of evil hidden agenda that we weren't aware

of in Armada. What ended up happening is we found

out that Sideways was nothing more than an empty

shell to house the spirit of Unicron. And pretty

much the whole point of Sideways was he was playing

both sides to lead to the revival of Unicron

in Armada. What ended up happening was the name

Sideways would be later on used for other characters

in the Unicron trilogy universe. A character

named Sideways appeared in the Cybertron series,

but was completely, even though they tried to

say it was the same character, it was completely

disconnected from that character. But that's

more due to the fact that the dubbing was incorrect.

And I always say this to anyone, when you watch

anything Transformers related, watch it in its

original language. If Beast Wars was made in

Canada, watch it in English. If G1 was made in

America, watch it in English. But if Armada was

made in Japanese, watch it in Japanese, find

some subtitles. Yeah, I agree with that. That

is definitely a good advice. Because the character

of Sideways in Cybertron was not actually Sideways,

it was a character named Noisemaze in Japanese.

And it was not related to that character at all.

But pretty much, again, going back to your original

question, the character has always been affiliated

with double agents and being someone who worked

for Unicron. So a typical thing Hasbro does is,

oh, no, the name is expiring soon. We've got

to put it on something. Oh, hey, here's a character

that's going to be in the movie for a bit and

then die. We'll just throw it on him. And that

way, it refreshes the name for copyright registration.

We could use it later. It's the same reason why

we'll be getting three years of characters named

Bludgeon even though it's clearly not Bludgeon

and then one day we'll get that great Bludgeon

figure but thank goodness because we kept the

name registered over all those years. I always

like hearing that information when they have

the posts on the front page of what they've trademarked

and registered or whatever. That always fascinates

me. I love hearing news like that. Like, I wonder

when they're going to use that name or who it's

going to be or how, you know? That's why whenever

people get angry about, oh, why did they call

that character that important name, there's a

reason for it. So like listeners, don't get angry

when a character is called Nightbeat and it's

nothing more than like an iPod that turns into

Laserbeak that's a repaint from the movie. There

is a reason for that because they needed to keep

the name fresh. So when they did the club exclusive,

it's the same thing with anything. I mean, we

got some pretty ugly sound waves over the year.

We got a beast war. You know, we got the Machine

Wars toy, which some people weren't too hot about,

but the whole reason behind it was we had to

keep that name fresh. We had to keep it, you

know, for a titanium toy in the future or for

a G1 reissue. I mean, we don't want to end up...

Yeah, everything. I mean, you have to realize...

If not for copyright tricks, I mean, look, we

lost Hot Rod, we lost Jazz. I mean, sure, now

we do the trick with Autobot Jazz, but back then

Hazard didn't really think about it. They called

him Meister at one point, his Japanese name,

you know? Yep. Yeah, I was just gonna say the

same thing. I was gonna say the same thing you

said, the Autobot Jazz or Autobot Hound. I think

they lost Hound too. Yeah, they lost a lot of

the really genericy names. They lost like gears,

you know or I Don't think I don't know if they

have Huffer anymore. Anyways going back to the

movie though So the character of sideways pretty

much he makes his appearance and they engage

side swipe who is this brand new concept Corvette

a really slick looking car and he shows up and

he's does an amazing scene this even though his

his appearances in the movie are limited he does

make a good impact he pretty much he does a giant

flip over sideways and shoots blasts him and

throws his blade into his engine bay and then

cuts him clean in half and as he does a flip

going over him lands grabs the blade and drags

it through him that was awesome And it was an

amazing scene. But sadly, and that is the end

of the sideways character in his, again, probably

three minutes of screen time that we pretty much

also already knew from the trailer. And then

it all ends with a, damn, I'm good. That was

a cool line when he said that. It was a cool

line and a lot of people sure got behind that

character after it. Then it falls up back to

still following Demolisher on his reign of destruction.

going down the highway now when uh... colonel

re uh... colonel apps says uh... bringing bring

in big buddha and we've had to the sky did they

say bigfoot? i think it was big buddha i thought

it was big kahuna oh big kahuna yeah that's what

i thought it was but i don't know anyways one

of the three but whatever it was yeah what ends

up happening is we end up getting this shot hundreds

upon hundreds of miles into the sky with a plane

not too much like the stratosphere toy that we'll

be getting later. The rear cockpit opens up and

lo and behold there is Optimus Prime ready to

engage and we are introduced to a beautiful scene

of Optimus Prime pretty much skydiving. from

truck mode to robot mode, then parachutes engaged

with little Autobot logos on them, to parachutes

cut off, to nosedive into the highway, then transform

back into truck mode, drives down the highway,

and cuts off Demolisher as he smashes through

the highway bridge. Might and I just want to

get comments around was that an amazing scene

or was that an amazing scene just that like 15

seconds I was speechless. I just I sat there

with my mouth hanging open like oh my god No,

the hell they did not just do that. Yeah, I was

like It was a really good opening for the movie

because a big worry a lot of people had was The

problem with the first movie was that it was

kind of a slow burn It took about an hour before

it really got I guess punchy but this one jumps

right into the action and I think that really

That really put it puts a good mark I put a good

mark on it for the bad story arcs later on. Well,

yes, of course. We'll get into that after. So

what ends up happening is Prime jumps on Demolisher's

face, which again, anyone who saw the original

trailer. And he's pretty much shooting the shit

out of him. They fall off the highway. And they

mess him up. And then we have all the army men

and the Autobots gather around a beat up. Pretty

much near -death demolish or and we have a cool

line, which I always love it when a transformer

swears We have iron hide say punk ass Decepticon

That was awesome. Yeah, that was awesome. That

was awesome I just want to remind everyone that

this movie had more swearing from transformers

than anything I've ever heard of before but great

stuff and that includes the Japanese stuff which

uses a lot of swearing too, but So then you know

demolish are pretty much beat up gives his warnings

and mentions of the fallen coming and of course

the autobots and the humans have no idea what

he's talking about and prime being uh... a very

different pride that we're used to silences uh...

demolish or and i would really like about this

movie prime is it shows that he does not mess

around you know he he will kill no problems if

it would have been movie prime In that same scene

in the original 1986 movie, he probably would

have shot right through Hot Rod to kill Megatron.

Oh yeah, then you're Rodimus fanboys and would

never... Oh yeah, of course. Of course, my whole

world would collapse. This movie Prime doesn't

mess around, and it really adds later to some

of the other fight scenes we'll see him engage

in later on in the movie. So then after that

scene, we then jump to something a little more

chipper. And now it deviates from the dark action

that we just saw. Sam's going to college. So

we're treated to more comedy scenes, the mom

going through the depression of Sam moving away.

And there's actually, there's a humongous full

circle that goes on in this movie that I'll mention

later. And it's actually, I don't know if I'm

just reading too much into it, either that or

Michael Bay's a little bit of a genius or maybe

it's Steven Spielberg. But I'm just going to

jump ahead quickly. In the first movie, there

was a mention of Sam joining the football team

and not getting on it very well. And of course,

getting his ass kicked. And at the end of the

first movie, we have Sam holding the cube, being

protected by his fellow quarterbacks, the Autobots,

as he runs across the battlefield. A very cool

symbolism there. What I noticed in the second

movie, which was another beginning and end symbolism

was at the beginning of the movie we have Sam

moving away and his father pretty much saying

you know go leave you know like you know get

out there on your own and near the end of the

movie we have his father yelling at him we have

to stick together we have to stay close you know

and then Sam wanting to go out on his own and

do it on his own and I thought it was really

cool how they did that like full circle like

they just did with the first movie also I know

Gary you who saw it Five times I must have picked

up on this. Oh, yeah Yep, he's a and he says

no you don't you don't you don't do this You

don't you don't know how you don't do anything

you run Bumblebee take them to safety. No, you're

coming with us. No, I have to do this dad I have

to do this Yeah, and it was really cool from

the beginning of the movie where it was like

the father was like go out be on your own now

And Sam was kind of like, oh, why do I have to

leave? And then it went the other way around.

So it was growth in the character. So anyways,

going back to the beginning of that scene. So

it's pretty much Sam's going to college. A lot

of little comedy scenes here and there, dogs

humping each other. I have to say something really

quick on this. Go right ahead. There was a post

on Twitter. I don't know if it was Malunas or

if it was General Techno that said this. Somebody

was making fun of ravage or something and then

they said something about Ravage dominating Frankie

while mojos underneath them or something was

something that included ravage into the dog humping

scene Somebody made a comment about it and I

was like, oh my god. No, they didn't Considering

how sharp ravages it would be pretty messy for

the other two but I Thought that was a bit excessive

but in my honest opinion Kids these days that

are 13 years old for PG -13 Are very well aware

of that kind of thing and they didn't show anything

It was kind of shown from the side. You saw no,

you know, so Honestly, I laughed my butt off.

I mean, I thought it was hilarious. Oh, yeah

You need some comic relief with the non -stop

action Yeah, it was put it was put in the movie

and it was done twice Actually, it was done on

the couch and then again near the doghouse Yeah,

right before it got blown up. I know that's not

gonna say the dog house got blown up. Oh, yeah

You know, but it's pretty much those kind of

scenes are put in because at Michael Bay if there's

one thing He knows is he knows his audience And

any kind of like this movie actually has quite

a bit of toilet humor in it And I mean I went

to multiple screenings and those ones always

got a laugh every time Right there excuse me

guys. I'm just getting over like severe like

You're right over there. I'm getting over some

conjunctivitis My I just had a water go down

the windpipe. Sorry about that. That's our problem

Little bit of night quill will be all right.

So what ends up happening is Sam gets a call

from Michaela. Michaela says they're going to

break up. Just to point out in this scene, I

found that the acting from Megan Fox in this

scene and a few other scenes in the movie were

kind of empty. She kind of had no emotion in

a lot of them, but I don't want to get picky.

That was my opinion. OK, let's go ahead and do

it. I agree with that. I agree with that. She's

not a good actor. i agree with it but let's go

into a comparison between the first movie in

this one okay for her first movie she was nothing

but eye candy the beginning of this movie she

was the same thing nothing but eye candy yeah

there was a few jokes between them or whatever

and yeah she got her heart broken when he was

out the thing that we'll talk about later that

i could not stand but anyway uh... you know but

at the end of the movie i thought she showed

up a little bit of a motion a little bit of acting

but not much what ends up happening is we were

treated to a scene where it's her back -and -forth

it would sound about how she should break up

and then sam convinces her oh i i made a long

-distance package for you any gives her a webcam

mentions the famous jersey that he wore when

he was running for megatron back in mission city

in los angeles And what ends up happening is

he finds a shard of the cube that must have broken

off when he pretty much lodged the cube into

Megatron's chest. He picks up the cube, he has

a mental breakdown and starts seeing symbols

like crazy. And then he drops it. The cube pretty

much goes through the floor, lands in the kitchen,

and we are introduced to about 20 Decepticon

characters. I have a question. Why is the cube...

always put out Decepticon energy? What ends up

happening, the explanation that we were given

is that when the Cube creates Autobots or Decepticons,

they all kind of start off mindless because they

have no, quote, spark. They're just sort of like...

They're just fighting for themselves all for

one? Well, when they first awaken, they just

kind of like violently, sporadically just attack

everything. And by Hasbro's definition, if they

start doing that, they're Decepticons. I mean

one of them that came of that was wheelie. So

Wheely was one of the one of the characters that

came of all of this too And we see how much he

develops as a character as opposed to the others

that are kind of mindless and I thought I was

gonna hate him. I ended up loving him Oh, I love

him too, but we'll get to him later. Yep So,

you know, we have the we have the toaster the

blender with a shooting penis we have a trash

compactor we have God what else we have a garbage

disposal we have a oh I can't even remember some

of the others but we had a lot oh yeah toast

the ejector who will be getting a toy later on

ladies yeah do you think that's a joke to how

someone when Michael Bay was first asked about

Soundwave he said something like to the effect

of a crass like voice like he's gonna be a toaster

I think it's more you have to realize that this

isn't the first toaster in transformers actually

and I know this sounds crazy, but it's true So

I don't think it's not so much I think it's just

Hasbro their design team wanting to really do

a transformer toaster You know just to do something

different. You can only do so many cars, you

know, and I think when we had the real gear line

where we got a lot of transformers that turned

into a lot of firsts, you know, PlayStation controllers

and iPods and binoculars and all kinds of crazy

stuff. I think with the end of that subline,

I think Hasbro with the second movie really wanted

to continue doing stuff like that. So I think

Ejector is the first of many of that to come

later down the line, I think. Who, and for those

who don't know, Ejector is the official name

of the toaster that was in the movie. Does he

have any discs that come out of that? Like that

pop out of like... From what from the looks of

it because it's a like a real gear Movie toy

meaning that it's approximately a little bit

smaller than a scout class or about the size

of a scout class I don't think he has any projectiles

I think he just kind of has like they just colored

in the filaments of the inside of the toaster

and it's it's a he's a very simple Transformation

they colored the filaments really like you know

what? Yeah, like the inside of the toaster like

they know what you mean I'm just I'm surprised

they did that detail Yeah because you know what

it is because he's more or less he's a giant

gray molded in plastics so they gotta throw the

budget of the paint somewhere and I guess it

went there. What pretty much happens after that

is Sam opens the door to his bedroom after he's

trying to extinguish the fire of this the cube

burning through his floor and he's introduced

all these crazy guys and miraculously doesn't

get shot in the middle of the middle south he

jumps out of his window yeah he avoids about

a million machine gun shots and jumps out the

window and then off of the second floor of his

house uh... And then his father is brought into

this. There's insane shooting going around. The

mom is introduced to yet another comedy scene

of obviously an inanimate waffle maker that was

attached to her head. She hits her head in the

process. And then in order to pretty much extinguish

all of these characters is Sam yells for Bumblebee.

Bumblebee makes his epic appearance. Shoot, shoot,

shoot. Cock his gun. Shoot again. And all of

them are dead. Hopefully except for one which

I think is only wheelie is the only one that

survived that and Bumblebee is scolded for coming

out of the garage by Sam's parents. He goes into

the garage and then Sam Pretty much tells Bumblebee

how he's going to college and Bumblebee gets

depressed because he can't come with Michaela

shows up Freshman can't have the car thing. Yeah,

something like that then, you know pretty much

there's some back and forth and there's blah

blah blah and She wants Megan Fox getting into

a white dress. Yeah, which didn't make much sense

there to me either. I was like, OK. Yeah, I didn't

get that. But he's going away. I guess I understand.

I guess she wanted to look pretty for him and

then take some flowers off her father's yard.

And I don't know. Anyways, so then there's the

scene where she wants him to say she loves him

and he dances around it. And that plays into

later in the movie. They say bye to each other

and they go their separate ways, but not before,

ominously, Wheely scans something in Michaela's

bag that Sam gave her, which was the Allspark

shard. And we move on to the next scene, which

is back to the army guys. I guess we don't really

need to give comment about the human scene that

we just saw before. What did you guys think?

It's comedy relief. It was kind of cheesy. Well,

the one problem I have throughout this entire

movie... Okay, the cars the robots name the cars

name is bumble be not just be I hated that Him

just calling it be I could not stand that I think

he was just trying to like nickname him or something

Well, that's I guess but I didn't like it but

that I mean if you've ever watched Beast Wars

It was notorious for that, especially every character

had a nickname and I mean literally every character

had a nickname in that show so I honestly didn't

mind it because it shows that they're close enough

to call each other to like a nickname Yeah, I

guess to create some kind of Connection, you

know that you want to show that they're good

friends. Yeah Where at the beginning of the movie

they were pretty much thrown together with each

other and then you had like, you know now this

technically they've been two years together now

so obviously a lot of transpired since then yeah

i have to know about the whole bumblebee thing

is the okay at the end of the first movie he

can talk you know he only has like one line throughout

this entire movie he does not talk whatsoever

he goes back to the radio thing i didn't get

any uh... what okay the explanation was originally

uh... when they were doing uh... this movie uh...

at the same time they were doing the uh... the

transformer ready to fall in games if you play

the games you will get the story line if bumblebee

still had his voice and you'll be kind of grateful

that he he didn't have his voice uh... because

they they put again though at the end of the

first movie he they kind of well bubble be they

kind of like a british accent or something going

on and they really elaborate that in the uh...

revenge of falling game he actually uh... that

he has the very British accent. And I guess maybe

Michael Bay wasn't too crazy about that. Maybe

a lot of people really warmed up to that miming

bumblebee that was kind of cute in the way that

he was more facial expression than vocal. And

so they pretty much went with the decision afterwards

to keep that. Okay, and just say that you know

his vocal processors still aren't working very

well right because that was edited out one of

the trailers We saw he actually said something

and it wasn't in the movie What yeah, it was

pretty much because when they were first like

doing stuff for the movie and you have to realize

and we learned this from from Peter Cohen and

Frank Welker when they were doing the auditions

for the first movie. The last thing that's added

to movies is voiceovers and soundtrack. It's

always the last thing in editing. And so when

they got around to it, if there was any scenes

where Bumblebee talked, it was obviously chosen

to not be put in there. But yeah, so we finished

that scene. We see Wheely. who's going to chase

after Michaela, we move back to the human forces.

And now it's pretty much their gathering in the

hangar. Skids and Mudflap are getting their new

upgrades into the two new modes that they chose.

We got a little characterizing. Not to interrupt

you, but did you mention Sam putting the shard

into a little metal tube and giving it to Michaela?

Yeah, I mentioned that, yes. Okay, I didn't hear

it, I'm sorry. I mentioned that he gave her a

little something secret that was the shard, you

know, that no one saw that he gave it to her,

you know, because he's not her parents. But yeah,

so... Now we're in a hangar back at something,

Diego, which is the headquarters of Nest. And

so we get a nice shot of all the new toys, pretty

much. We see the RC triplets. We see Skids and

Mudflap. We see everyone. And it's a really nice

shot, actually. And then we get some more. some

more pretty much backstory of what's going on

so they're hunting the Decepticons and they don't

know what they're looking for but they're still

here and then we're introduced to what every

action movie has which is authority douchebag

character in the first movie it was agent Simmons

although he did warm up to us as the movie progressed

and in the second movie it's now this guy who

whose name escapes me at the moment but he was

sent by the president to make sure that you know

all this shit goes right because the transformers

aren't doing the right thing and Pretty much,

it's a lot of back and forth, a lot of techno

babbles saying the Transformers aren't doing

their job. Maybe the Decepticons are just there

to hunt them rather than look for something important.

And it all pretty much just ends with a scene

where we just get... And it was probably the

only cool thing about that scene, really, aside

from the nice shot of all the new quote toys,

was the line between Optimus Prime and this agent

douchebag whatever, which was, if the Decepticons

don't leave... He said to Optimus, if we ask

you to leave, will you leave peacefully? And

he goes, freedom is your right. If you make that

request, we will leave. But before your president

chooses, ask him this question. What if we leave

and you're wrong? Exactly, yeah, and then we

get this like you know dark ominous shadow on

optimus prime don't forget also Soundwave has

just appeared in the sky and I asked the military

satellite while that's going on. Yeah, I've got

that transmission Yeah, oh, yeah, and that's

what I forgot to mention while all this was going

on Soundwave hacked one of the US satellite dishes

used by the army and the agent blatantly mentioned

where NB1 is, aka Megatron, where the other AllSpark

shard is that Optimus Prime picked up from Megatron's

corpse in the first movie. Soundwave right away,

just by the blather of this agent, right away

pinpointed the locations of two of the most important

things. Just a quick note on Soundwave, the head

that is used on Soundwave, oddly enough, is not

the head that's used for the satellite mode.

in the toy. I guess when they were designing

the toys, and again the toy of Soundwave was

a preview toy, so it was one of the first toys

engineered, they couldn't decide on what head

they were going to use for the movie. And so

pretty much picture the satellite mode of Soundwave

using the robot mode head from the robot mode

of the toy. It's kind of like an amalgam of the

two. And his voice, which to a lot of 80s fans,

it was Frank Welker. who did the voice of Soundwave

in the original G1, and he did his voice here

too. Dr. Claw, but that's how he originally did

it. Yeah, and pretty much, yeah, it was Dr. Claw

from Inspector Gadget, but there was one episode

of G1 where Soundwave wasn't, quote, synthesized

when he talked, and I believe it was the episode

Roll For It, and he sounded like Dr. Claw. There's

actually a few of them. There isn't just one.

There's a couple where SoundWave's voice is off

in G1. There you go. Yes. And it sounds like

Dr. Klaus. So people could be like, that's not

SoundWave. No, that's actually quite accurate.

SoundWave before they vocoded his voice with

a synthesizer. Yep. There you go. Exact same

voice. Exactly, but it would still have been

cool to have gotten this I mean, I like the sound

wave voice in the movie I have no problems with

it, but it still would have been cool as hell

to get the vocoder voice which I also I also

find that kind of weird that they didn't go with

that angle because even the most casual of casual

transformer fans especially the the 18 to 25

year olds or 18 to 30 year olds that are going

to see the movie Even if they don't know a lot

about G1, one of the most defining aspects of

the Decepticons was Soundwave. Everyone remembers

Soundwave and everyone remembers that voice.

Oh yeah, very much so. Everyone remembers Starscream

and the screechy voice, everyone remembers Megatron

because he was the gun, everyone remembers the

tape guy with his crazy voice. And I find it

kind of weird that they didn't go with that angle.

Do you think they're saving it for robot mode?

It's a possibility, it's a possibility that maybe

because, and I guess I could just mention this

now, the three surviving Decepticons by the end

of this movie are the three heavy hitters, Soundwave,

Starscream, and Megatron. So it's a possibility

that maybe he'll just get upgraded for the next

movie and then we'll be given... That voice and

we'll get something that's more sound wavy. I

guess in especially in terms of aesthetics I've

really got to admit though with Welker's age

it got even better and it was so menacing and

so awesome. Oh, yeah Of course, I would have

wanted it to be vocoded but i mean it sounded

that i have to say i'm just glad that he's in

the movie regardless of the voice regardless

of its doctor claw whether it's the vote -coded

versions i'm just glad he got to be a part of

it because well yes and and the best part about

that little that little thing about it is that

when you watch this movie aside from calling

there's no one really else giving you eighties

transformers and hearing the doctor kaw frank

welker is that little nostalgic feeling you get

watching sound wave in the movie you still have

you know that piece of the history still there

in the movie ever muscle which is pretty cool

and as well as the interaction in this movie

compared to movie one with star scream and megatron

star screams got a more g one s voice and interacting

with like megatron oh yeah around like you get

that piece of trash we're gonna get to that i

uh... so what it's about actually have to go

back a little bit There was another funny scene

for me anyway within the government scene when

the government douchebag is like talking to Eps.

He's like, soldier, all you're supposed to do

is shoot and do this and whatever else. And Eps

kind of mumbles like, oh, I wish I could shoot

you right about now. And Prime's like, easy,

easy. He says, don't tempt me. Yeah, he's like,

don't tempt me. Prime's like, easy, easy. And

I thought it was really funny. Yeah, there was

a lot of. Good development early on in the movie.

It's kind of a shame a lot of the reviewers I

think I think because the movie ran so long they

kind of forgot about how good the movie started

at least It started on some really it hit a lot

of buttons. It was really good So then we move

on to the next scene which is I believe Soundwave

engage it. No, it's it's Sam arriving at college.

Okay So then Sam arrives at college again, we're

queued to another human scene, so Sam's in college,

his mom is being loud and boisterous as always,

and Sam is introduced to his roommate. And his

roommate is, oh god, what's his name, Leo? Yeah,

and so Leo, who's a techie and a conspiracy theorist,

and he has a Naruto poster on his wall and bad

boys. And what was that other movie there, that

disaster movie with that mysterious monster?

The Day the Earth Stood Still? No, no, no, it

was a recent movie. Well, that's the most recent

one. The Island? It was a disaster movie where

it had this monster, but we didn't see what the

monster was in all the trailers. Cloverfield

Monster? Cloverfield, thank you. Oh, OK. Yeah,

Cloverfield. So you had a poster of Cloverfield.

All these disaster movies and stuff and everything

on the wall. And of course Michael Bay blatant

bad boys. Yeah advertising. Yeah, I thought that

was funny once I I actually didn't notice the

bad boys poster until Sam started writing all

over it So what is it happens we're introduced

to Leo and Leo is pretty much Sam's annoying

sidekick who will be in the movie a semi comic

relief Which every I guess every kind of movie

needs it has to always have some character that

makes the main character look cooler by contrast

And so we're introduced to Leo, who's a conspiracy

theorist and believes in aliens and the government

is covering up everything. And Sam and him kind

of have a pow wow. But it pretty much leads up

to introduction to another mysterious character,

which is a mysterious female by the name of Alicia.

I thought it was Alice. Leo calls her Alicia

in like two scenes, so I'm just going to assume

it's that. What ends up happening is there's

this mysterious blonde who seems to be shadowing

Sam for no reason whatsoever. If you're a viewer

who doesn't know anything about the plot, we

can only assume that she's just interested. But

that's all we know at the moment. What ends up

resulting of all of this is Sam's mom eats some

brownies from some dreadheads. Ends up getting

high Starts talking some crazy stuff more comedy

scenes left and right which pretty much ends

with Them leaving and then Sam getting ready

to pack up in his room we then jump to which

would be just really pull up the Truly pull up

the synopsis to so I could get make sure everything's

correct. I believe it's the engaging of ravage.

Yes it's the passing of i believe is next sound

wave then now has completely pinpointed the location

of the all spark shard so he engages ravage who

to my knowledge has was not named in the movie

he just shoot some out which is a nice little

touch concerning you know to have an ejected

out of him by any way was pretty cool So Ravage

crashes into the water on the side of the beach

of this mysterious Area 51 -S headquarters and

he makes his first appearance and he dashes forward

towards it. It's a very cool scene actually and

then he breaches it and he spits up all these

little, I guess you could call them, I don't

know, little nanobots or whatever. that end up

combining to make a larger blade -like Decepticon.

What was his name? There's no official toy of

it. Within the fandom, there's a lot of speculation.

My personal opinion, and only because I'm just

being completely fan -wanky about it, is because

of the way that the dinosaur, well it looks like

a dinosaur, and the way it walks, And because

it was something that was quote ejected from

Soundwave or ejected from Ravage. I believe in

this minions I say it's one of the tapes and

there was a tape that I'm not referring to overkill

the I'm not I'm not referring to either rap at

either there was a in the in the Japanese continuity

Soundwave had an extra dinosaur cassette by the

name. Well, it wasn't Sally was actually an Autobot

cassette, but it was a cassette. Nevertheless,

there was a cassette by the name of dial That

kind of was like one of those miniature velociraptor

-like dinosaurs. And so I'm like, oh, it's movie

-verse dial. But there is no real official name

for this character, although maybe Hasbro will

give us something down the line. But all we know,

it's a walking bag of knives, that's for sure.

But still, what I'd like to comment on is I love

how they kept Soundwave. having his minions shooting

ravage out and stuff like that. Oh, of course.

That was the must. They had to have something.

Yeah, I'm just glad that they did it. You know

what I mean? And considering that he survives

at the end of the movie and that it seems that

minions could just be ejected from anywhere because

they're pretty much like missiles, at least in

a reference to the toy, that means that we could

get more minions down the line if worse comes

to worse, you know? Oh, yeah. We could get a

rumble to add to the frenzy. We could get a rat.

It opens up all kinds of possibilities. Yep.

So that's something to look forward to. So what

is happening is this little thing steals the

shard. The army men go inside to see what the

hell's going on because there's a breach. This

little bag of knives goes right through a guy's

chest. He runs around, avoids getting killed.

Meanwhile, Ravage on the outside is using, again,

a nice nod to the G1 Ravage. He has two hip weapons,

which in this case are rocket launchers and machine

guns, to pretty much distract the humans while

he lets his little fellow buddy of Soundwave

escape. And they escape with the shard. I have

to say about Ravage when he wrapped his mouth

around the pipe. I didn't think he was spitting

stuff down, and I thought he was sucking stuff

up it. Yeah, that's what I that's what I thought

at first and I realized oh wait there's stuff

coming out of his mouth, okay Yeah, that was

really interesting how that was done And you

know the whole combining thing throughout the

movie. I like how that was executed It was it

was very it wasn't explained. It was still cool

Well, I can actually get into that a little bit

more later because Hasbro ended up doing a whole

bunch of like explanations afterwards and we'll

get into that when we get to Devastator. Okay,

what is the next scene that we have after Soundwave

and Ravage and all that goodness? Okay, so after

the Soundwave and Ravage scene we end up having

pretty much the revival of Megatron. So they

end up taking the Shard and they go to the Laurentian

Abyss where all the Americans are and they're

all guarding the body. And we get a quick pretty

much shot of all the Constructicons together

that have been hiding on one of the boats near

the Laurentian Abyss. Just to let everyone know

though, Hasbro has stated this, that there's

actually two sets of Constructicons that exist

in the continuity. One set that transforms and

one set that was purely designed to combine with

Devastator. In the movie verse continuity, the

Devastator combiner does not have Constructicons

that could that separate into individual characters

Even though there is a toy out there the easy

Devastator from Japan that we will we will be

getting later that says otherwise That's gonna

be a mini Devastator. Oh, that's the mini one.

I thought that was the hundred dollar one that

doesn't transform Because yeah, because according

to the continuity there's two separate teams

of Constructicons and one of them exists solely

to create Devastator, which obviously had, I

guess, Megatron planned this to have a specific

purpose which would be to dig up the Harvester,

but we'll get into that after. So we move on

to the next scene where it's the revival of Megatron

and we have... We have Ravage and company pretty

much diving into the water to get to Megatron's

body. Now there was an argument in the boards

here and I guess I'll clear this up for everyone.

A lot of people were complaining how when they

went underwater the US military picked up five

signals and when they came up there were six

and that doesn't make any sense. The explanation

for this is that when they went down it was Ravage

and a whole bunch of constructicons. Obviously

Ravage, he ejects another member. His name is

Scalpel and I guess we could call him the Doctor,

the German Doctor Decepticon. When he ejects

him, obviously that ups it to six now. Now, what

ends up happening is the doctor says they need

parts to revive Megatron. And you see the Decepticons

kill one of their own. We're not sure which Constructicon

it is. The assumption on the boards is that it's

the character Overlord, who was a payload truck.

That's the assumption that that's the one that

gets killed. And then they use his parts because

also Overlord is gray. We're all making big assumptions

here. uh... to that help rebuild megatron and

then when megatron is built now we're definitely

at six people because we have the other construct

-a -cons ravage the doctor scalpel and megatron

and so they all head up megatron is now revived

due to the all spark shard being shot into his

chest and he is back and then megatron's first

order of business is to get all the way to the

moon of saturn which is titan and uh... where

the Nemesis, which again, none of this is named

but only in the novel, where the Nemesis is waiting,

where Starscream is. And we are treated to a

gorgeous display of characterization that we

are familiar with from the G1 story, which is

Starscream and Megatron, and their normal banter.

So I guess I'll let Gary take it from here because

it was a pretty damn good scene. What I really

liked about it is how, you know... much more

G1 sounding Starscream was to begin with and

the interaction was very G1 -esque I mean very

much you know for the fans I mean that was all

about the G1 like you know Megatron just you

know cursing him up and down like a piece of

crap and he's totally kissing his butt like but

almighty Megatron you know I really like that

that was great not to mention Starscream in his

place replacing him while he was dead you know

And him saying, oh, only until you're... Yeah,

even in death, there is no command but mine,

yep. It was all very well done, and I'm glad

they went in that direction, considering how

a lot of people were worried how the character

of Starscream was going to be handled in the

movie. The video games, especially the first

movie video games, fleshed out the characters

that they hated each other and that Starscream

did have plans to usurp him one day, and he was

very... It was very G1 in character, but sadly

we didn't get that in the movie. So it was nice

to see this being done and it was pretty just

enjoyable. A lot of people, I remember in the

crowd, went nuts when they saw that finally the

character was being done how he was supposed

to be done. They did them justice, yeah exactly.

Because in my opinion, when it comes to Decepticons...

There's only specific ones that have a really

high tier of memorability. And it's pretty much

a Starscream, Megatron, Soundwave, and the Constructicons.

And everything that exists outside of that, in

my opinion, when it comes to a casual fan, is

not rememberable. I mean, ask a casual to remember

Skywarp, or what his character was, or Thundercracker,

or Astro Train, or Octane. I mean, yes, they

are good characters, but... you'd have to be

you know no one will casually could tell you

what what is thundercracker's cat like character

what do we expect of thundercracker most of them

are kind of just brutish decepticons that kill

kill kill so it was really nice to see characters

like Starscream being given the justice he deserves

and I don't know who to thank for this whether

it be the writers or see or or even Michael Bay

for wanting that to be like that but just good

job on whoever it was And pretty much in this

scene, so we're treated to the Starscream Megatron

banter and Megatron thrusting, you know, throwing

them around. And then we're introduced yet again

to the Fallen. And the Fallen at the moment seems

to be incapacitated as he's not able to move.

For people who are a little confused, and I don't

blame them for this. I was myself. The comic

books kind of flesh it out more for us. And the

funny thing too, the Burger King toy that's out

of The Fallen helps us a little bit too. The

Fallen was actually encased in a sarcophagus

of some kind, or I guess a monolith or whatever

you want to call it, shaped like the Decepticon

logo that he was captured in many years ago by

the other Primes. The movie didn't tell us this

at all. They tell us that that he was sealed

away, but they never really went into the specifics.

Over the years, the fallen Soli was able to break

away from his prison as the generations of Primes

decreased until there was only one left. But

he was still, I guess, incapacitated. What ends

up happening is his incapacitated form was then

carried to the moon of Titan, which is where

Starscream and the Nemesis ended up residing.

And that's where we have him now. So for those

who are confused or why he's just like that and

why he isn't doing anything, that's kind of what's

going on right now. So we end up being introduced

to him. We get this whole Darth Vader to the

apprentice kind of relationship between Megatron

and the Fallen. Which I hated. Yeah, a lot of

people thought that was kind of cheesy. Again,

if you want to... get an idea of who this fallen

character is in the actual large scope of it.

The fallen in the G1 continuity was pretty much

the equivalency of Unicron. He was pretty much

the equivalency in the biblical terms of, oh

God, what is the name of Lucifer? Thank you.

Where he was a fallen angel. pretty much because

primus the god of the transformers created his

original thirteen transformers who are all primes

which movie mentions too but one of them betrayed

primus and uh... he would forever be known as

the fallen and he betrayed primus to quote the

devil who was unicron and so that's who the fallen

was in g one he was pretty much a betrayer of

his people and very powerful and very dangerous

And they kind of went along the same vein with

this one, where he was a betrayer of his people,

but not so much to his god, but to his own brothers.

And I'll get into my speculations for movie three

and how it relates to the Fallen afterwards,

but anyways, it's just to mention this now to

remember later. So what ends up happening is,

so he says that, you know, we have to kill the

Prime, we have to, you know, because when the

Prime is dead, then I'll be free to fight. and

only a Prime could stop him, and then, you know,

pretty much the Fallen also tells him that, you

know, even though the AllSpark is destroyed,

that the energy, the location of the Matrix of

Leadership and the Sun Harvester is still in

the mind of this boy. So Megatron sets off to

find him. What ends up happening is then we go

to another scene. which is back with Sam in college

and that's his astronomy class where we are introduced

to his over exuberant astronomy teacher who seems

to be enjoying having sex with his younger students

but I'll get into that another time. The teacher

is giving his opening speech for the first day

of class and Sam starts having a mental breakdown

He starts reading his entire astrology book,

which actually plays into the story of the movie

later he reads an entire astrology book in 30

seconds and then starts questioning the Starts

questioning the the theories of Einstein saying

how it's incorrect and if you actually listen

to it carefully He starts explaining how energon

has to do with transformation He actually is

trying to bring up points of transformer technology

and how it's more complex than the basics of

E equals MC square of Einstein, yada yada yada.

He gets kicked out of class. He then picks up

the phone, he calls Michaela and tells him about

the mental breakdown and Michaela pretty much...

Oh, I actually forgot to mention one thing. Okay.

Prior to him calling Michaela though, there was

another scene which was the kegger. Oh yeah.

And all that really transpires in that one is

Sam goes to a kegger with his newfound roommate

Leo. He then has another encounter with this

Alicia girl. The Alicia girl gets very aggressive.

Sam ends up standing up Michaela on their web

chat that they were supposed to have because

of this kegger. uh... bumblebee shows up at the

kegger because some shit is going down uh...

there's a little exchange again sam make some

funny jokes find a tighter shirt for the job

you know there's no tighter shirt we've looked

at is that i don't you think that uh... and then

he got to the car will be but not without alicia

inviting herself into the car too now it's assumed

i think but will be those that That at least

he has a Decepticon or something because I don't

think Bumblebee would willingly Almost try to

break the skull of a human being inside the car.

Yeah, but it led to some really funny scenes

Especially with the choice of music by Bumblebee.

Yeah, you're cheap and hard and then super freak

super freak by Rick James All really really good

stuff so she ends up she ends up Getting coolant

sprayed in her face and she runs away And that

ends that scene Then we move again. We go straight

to the next day, which is with the astronomer.

I was gonna be with his astrology class He has

the mental breakdown. He calls Michaela Michaela

is not happy about About him standing her up,

but then he tells her. Oh my god. I'm having

a mental breakdown. Where's the charge? She's

like it's safe and we enter the first transformation

of the character of wheelie Yes. Now we're introduced

to Wheely, and Wheely is a very Joe Pesci -esque

character, a very street -wise Brooklyn, New

York kind of decepticon as he starts out. And

he's looking for the cube. And so he ends up

getting found by Michaela, who's trying to crack

into the safe to get it. And she ends up torching

one of his eyes. I love that scene. And he calls

her a crazy bitch and 30 seconds swear word by

a transformer So what ends up happening is she

ends up putting them in this big like I guess

you could call it I don't know like Cooler or

something and he heads and she had straight for

Sam's location. She jumps on the first plane

to the East Coast and so what ends up happening

is then Sam ends up going back to his bedroom

or whatever his room when he just starts writing

symbols again like crazy and he just can't control

it and then Leo's on the way to his room and

he flanks Alicia who's looking for Sam and she

ends up finding him in his room and then she

sees that he wrote all the symbols and she gives

this look at him and then we as the audience

know that there's more to her that meets the

eye where she tries to make out with him And

then we see her tail, gratuitous panty shot that

we get. And then, obviously, as lo and behold,

like most movies, this is when Michaela shows

up and sees them making out. She goes to walk

out. Sam tries to chase after her. And Alicia

reveals herself to be a pretender, which is a...

transformer in disguise as a human. Although

the way that the pretender is handled is different

than the Japanese or the American comic book

incarnations that have done previously. I'd hate

to say it, but this reminded me more of the Terminator

3 Terminator. Yes. Yes. Very much so. Same thing.

Actually I... Very much... Oh yeah. I think it's

actually a combination of the Terminator 3 chick

and Natasha Henstridge in Species. Quite possibly.

Yeah, I see what you're talking about transforminators.

Yeah Oh, yeah, I saw the transforminators everyone

Now they're stealing all our sand Anyways, so

she ends up transforming we learned that Sam

when he's really scared does a girly scream Yeah,

she starts shooting like crazy. They end up in

a library lots of explosions. They're running

away from her and they end up hot -wiring a car

to escape from her. She ends up jumping onto

the car, again, very Terminator -esque, getting

into a car while the Terminator jumps onto the

car, which has been done in all three Terminator

movies. I haven't seen the fourth one, so I don't

know, but I'm pretty sure that probably happens

at some point. Oh, it does? Well, there you go.

Interestingly enough, she gets killed pretty

easily by just Michaela ramming right into a

pole. Now interesting thing uh... mckayla runs

into the poll head -first completely destroys

the front and by the way i'm a mechanic so it

is that point this out uh... and the airbags

don't go off and now you are still runs that

would never have had a life what at the car still

right but the airbags don't go off that's what

bothered me now then as they're driving away

uh... mysterious helicopter which we all learned

later is to be grind or which is not uh... to

be mixed up with blackout from the first movie

grind or is actually a lighter blue repaint of

grind or it has some modifications to his body

uh... his uh... popular by it's a different from

uh... from blackout but grind or ends up picking

up up the entire car and bringing sam uh... michaela

and leo to a pseudo decepticon hq that megatron

is that And when he drops them and they land

headfirst after what could be probably a 15 story

drop from the sky Then the airbags go off Which

then which helps them from surviving their fall

from 15 stories in the car So whoever invented

that car great great work there the pole didn't

stop him, but the 15 story drop set off the airbags

anyways What ends up happening is Sam is pinned

down, we get the whole Megatron Remember Me scene,

and then the Doctor Scalpel shows himself again,

and we're introduced to some kind of bored brain

thingy from Star Trek. That was pretty horrific

right there. Yeah, it was pretty nasty. A lot

of people in the audience too were pretty cool

about that. I didn't mind it so much, but even

so, just to watch it was like, oh man, you could

feel the pain, you know? Oh yeah, filling up.

And so what ended up happening was the alien

goes into his brain and then comes back out and

then the doctor projects images of the location

of the harvester. And while they have the location

of the harvester, they lack the location of a

mysterious key. So the doctor insists that they

more so continue and cut into Sam's brain to

get the rest of the information. What ends up

happening is before this ends up going down Optimus

shows up and so does bumblebee and supposedly

some other Autobots, but they are outside of

the Outside of the complex now prime shows up

and this isn't the prime that we knew from the

first movie again This prime is here to kick

ass. Yes, and he beats up stars beats up he beats

up megatron no problem we get a beautiful slow

-motion shot of him holding his gun and then

blasting megatron through a wall prime is here

to kick some serious ass in this movie he is

he's definitely learned in the two years since

the first movie how to kick some butt so what

is happening megatron is shot through the wall

and sam makes his escape with bumblebee What

ends up happening, oh excuse me, Bumblebee makes

his escape with Leo and Michaela while Sam goes

into Optimus Prime to escape. They end up finding

themselves in the forest, there's a big skirmish

and another glorious fight scene by Optimus Prime

begins. It's even more glorious than IMAX, that

action footage. We end up having Optimus, Grindor,

Optimus against Grindor Starscream and Megatron

and just if this scene could be slowed down in

all its framerate glory You could see the amazing

choreography that is done of Optimus Prime's

battles how he managed like how he like he grabs

one guy kicks the other and you know, he's just

Amazing job by ILM who did this scene like absolutely

incredible And again, this optimist doesn't mess

around. He's breaking legs. He's ripping arms

off. He's ultimately in the end, Grindor's face

is ripped in half. Mech fluid is everywhere.

There's fluid. First movie didn't have no fluid,

let me tell you. But this one, there's fluid

all over the place. It's just horrific and grotesque

and amazing. But ultimately, sadly, due to all

of this, Megatron ends up... Getting the best

of prime and running them through from behind

and then shooting point -blank well inside him

And we are treated to what we all believe and

especially people like me who avoided every single

kind of spoiler Yeah, me too. Um too and that's

why I thought I thought I thought oh boy They're

killing them off now To lead to something in

the third movie. That's what at least that's

what was going through my mind because I was

hoping honestly well what happened i was hoping

that they would fix what happened in eighty six

oh possibly see that i mean like primed eyes

and then this time we're going to bring back

to life we're not going to die uh... because

of that afterwards my friends that came with

me who are also big t trans fans shout out to

freedom gundam on the boards They mentioned oh

well because they saw the jet fire toy and so

they knew that he has to combine at some point

So he can't be dead yet, you know, so I have

a clue. I wasn't aware of that Did we leave a

scene out? No, we didn't I have the whole synopsis

in front of me Okay, because I could have sworn

the funeral scene was before this. Not the funeral,

but the cemetery scene with him and Sam, with

Prime and Sam. Oh, yeah. There was a brief scene

that happens when Bumblebee picks him up from

the kegger. Right. He just tells him, you know,

that we need an ambassador. Yeah, yeah, it's

not my war. It's not my war, and then that was

it, pretty much. And he didn't explain why this

is more than you imagine. That's it. Yeah. and

he didn't mention this he didn't mention seeing

the symbols to optimus either yet at this point

yeah uh... so we're treated to what we believe

is a prime dead scene now that now that optimus

prime is presumed dead uh... the fallen now is

free of his incapacitation the autobots conveniently

show up at this point and rescue sam but the

damage has been done starscream and uh... megatron

retreats and the fallen is now free Before we

go to the next scene, how do you guys feel about

this death scene? I felt it was very emotionless

for me. The whole scene, that whole forescene

was amazing. The fight was amazing, even the

death, it was emotional because, again, As a

trans fan who avoided all spoilers, I thought

this was some serious shit. I'm pretty sure for

a lot of casual people in the audience who didn't

know any better, it could have been some serious

shit also. I didn't know what was going to happen.

I stayed spoiler -free except previews. I remember

going into the first movie and people were speculating

what if Prime dies in this one. But me saying,

oh, there's no way in hell they'll kill him in

the first one. But I was kind of thinking, oh,

at this point, it's a possibility. Now the casual

people are emotionally connected with this character

from the first movie. If they do kill him off,

it will make an impact. And it did. And it was

gloriously done. And I think the only thing that

bothered me about it was when they airdropped

him. his carcass. They shouldn't have dropped

him. I remember even my girlfriend turned over

to me and she's like, they just dropped him just

like that in the middle of the movie. And I was

like, yeah, I know, fucking humans. For me. Yeah,

but he's a transformer. He's not going to bust.

Yeah, I guess it's funny. Because I was under

the impression that his tires aren't made out

of rubber. They're Cybertronian material. The

glass is not really glass. That it that we could

assume that it's just I remember later in the

movie when they airdrop his body again this time

They actually deploy parachutes Later on in Egypt

when he's alive. Yeah No, no, no later on in

the movie. Oh Really? Oh when they bring them

in after they get to eject their little liaison.

Yes anyways so What ends up happening is now

that you know? Everything is is free. So Megatron

meets up with Starscream There's another beautiful

Starscream Megatron scene where he he hit Starscream

with his own arm and just a great scene overall

yet again the Frank of not Frank Walker of Hugo

weaving doing a great job with With what's -his

-name who played spongebob? Yeah Kenny no. Oh,

no, was it Tom Kenny? I thought it was Charlie

Excuse me, Tom Kenny played Spongebob in Animated.

My bad. Who played Starscream? You mean he played

Starscream in Animated? No. Well, wait. I thought

Charlie Adler was Starscream in the movie. You

might be right. I'm not too sure. Tom Kenny was

not Starscream. I thought so at first, but he's

not. So either way, we're treated to another

great scene. And then it leads to now the Decepticons

are showing themselves. Again, we're shown the

trailer scenes of all the Decepticons landing

and destroying and wreaking havoc. It's about

a good five -minute montage of their arrivals

all over Earth in different locations. They arrive

in France and they kidnap Sam's parents. I believe

a lot of people are speculating the character

that kidnaps Sam's parents. A lot of people are

saying, oh, it was Barricade. but we're not too

sure because it's kind of iffy. When we get the

DVD, I'm sure we'll be able to like look it over

frame by frame and be able to tell. I mean, Barricade

is officially quote dead in the movie continuity,

but who knows? So, you know, what ends up happening

is Sam's parents are in France. They get kidnapped

by the Decepticons. A whole bunch of other Decepticons

show up. The Fallen... makes his appearance on

earth yet again, saying that he will finally

get his revenge. And then Megatron commandeers

some kind of electrical communication device

and the Fallen does his worldwide message that

they have to find Sam and that he must be brought,

that the Decepticons are here, yada yada yada.

Meanwhile, Sam along with Skids and Mudflap and

Bumblebee find refuge in some abandoned warehouse.

There's another emotional scene where it's, you

know, Michaela's finally able to hold him and

cry, and Sam blames himself for the death of

Optimus Prime. I guess we could call Sam Hot

Rod, I don't know. No, no, no, wrong, wrong,

eh, wrong, no. I would call him Hot Rod, yeah,

anyways. So what ends up happening is we're treated

to some good skids and mudflap scenes. But flat

calling him a pussy, you know again great to

hear the transformer swearing just great stuff

A lot of people aren't too crazy about the twins,

but I thought they were a welcome they weren't

overdone Yeah, they weren't that bad They weren't

as bad as everybody thought they were gonna be

or everybody made them out to be Yeah, you know

cuz I think they were too scared of the aesthetics

of them to actually accept the characters that

they were And they were just there to be fun

Anyways, so what ends up happening? There's more

discussion. They talk about what they got to

do, and then Leo ends up looking at his phone

and seeing how now Sam is on the loose and there's

a hunt. Then Sam talks about the symbols on his

arm to the twins, and twins mention how, well,

they know it's Cybertronian, but they don't know

how to read. And so they're like, well, we've

got to find someone that does. And then Leo suggests

a character named Robo Warrior, who supposedly

has been scooping Leo on his own. Alien finds

oh yeah, so they go to find Robo warrior and

lo and behold Robo warrior is agent Simmons from

the first movie now Who has lost his job from

Sector 7? But he stole a whole bunch of shit

before he left But he stole practically the entire

archive and what I consider the world's largest

basement I have ever seen it might as well be

a bunker exactly not tell my mother Oh, and by

the way, for those who don't know, if anyone

has seen Street Fighter the later years, which

was a college humor parody, the character with

the bad teeth that was cutting meat in the butchery,

or whatever you want to call it, who was working

to get new pair of teeth, the brown dude, that

was the guy who played Dhalsim. Oh wow. It's

a little, it's a really, I remember when I first

saw the movie, I was like, oh my god, it's the

Dhalsim guy. Anyways, it's a long stretch, but

it was that character. And on that note, I think

we're going to take a quick break because I'm

coming up on time and I don't want my computer

to mess up again, so... Intermission. Yes, intermission.

Intermission. We'll put some commercial. we're

back from break i don't know what we're gonna

put in that break if we put anything i don't

know uh... so yeah commercial and that's true

and what one of the rare PSA's from d one that

it that i think there are laws voice to septicons

mobilize this time so we were told you know you're

going through uh... the Simmons seen and i gotta

say before we go further with the actual synopsis

actually Simmons kinda grew on me in this form

more than the last one cuz he was yeah he wasn't

such a douchebag The other guy was more of the

douchebag in this one. Well you know why. You

know why that is? Probably paid him more money.

Well no, he didn't have the do what you want

and get away with it badge. So we move on to

Agent Simmons' basement, who apparently after

Sector 7 closed down, he pretty much emptied

out the entire archive. And conveniently has

a nice little trophy of Frenzy's head still,

which is apparently still radioactive, according

to him. And so Sam ends up showing him the symbols

and we're then treated to what? Agent Simmons

knows is the dark secret of the Transformers

past that they've been around for many years

and they've always been on earth and how there

is multiples and multiples of the ancients that

are still on earth somewhere and so they end

up pulling out Wheely out of his little freezer

case or whatever and then Wheely reads some of

the symbols and says oh well some of these ancients

are still around So he shows a map and then they

go to the closest one which happens to be the

arrow and space museum in Where exactly I forget

Washington DC Washington DC. Thank part of the

Smithsonian's Smithsonian. That's correct. Okay,

so our space museum so they end up going there

and They go there and they sneak in and we're

treated to more comedy scenes with Leo trying

to use a taser and ends up tasing himself Oh,

that was so funny. More than once. How many times

can you get T's in that you can't have kids?

That was hilarious. And what ends up happening

is they go through the aerial section and they

end up finding out that the gigantic blackbird

in the center of of the museum is a ancient transformer

and they end up using the AllSpark shard to revive

him and find out that it is a Decepticon and

they freak out. But lo and behold, this Decepticon

is Jetfire and is not too keen about the Decepticon

way and has became an Autobot. Which is actually

again going to a cue of the G1. Jetfire was not

so much a Decepticon, but he was a neutral originally

and a scientist. He was a scientist with Starscream,

yep. But due to being good friends with Starscream,

he ended up joining the Decepticons due to ignorance

and ended up becoming an Autobot due to believing

in the Autobot way over to Decepticon, which

was a nice touch that they did that. I really

liked that because, not to go off topic, but

on the toy cast. My last week's pick was G1 Jetfire.

Which is perfect. And I just found Revenge of

the Fallen Jetfire at Walmart yesterday. Anyway,

moving along. Yeah. And the only thing that bothered

me about this scene, and I remember sitting in

the theater on the first viewing, and it was

kind of going through my head quickly, which

was in the movie, Sam went to find Jetfire. to

get the matrix of leadership to revive Optimus

Prime. But it was established that an all -spark

shard could revive a transformer also. So they

could have saved time and just brought the all

-spark shard to Optimus Prime and revived it

there. My only argument I could give them to

protect this is that maybe Sam didn't know. No,

he didn't know at that time. I guess he didn't

know, and neither did the Transformers, and only

the Decepticons knew that this would work. Because

even when they asked Jetfire later on, and I

know we'll get to that, but he said, I don't

know, but it is a power like no other. So I don't

think they really knew. Yeah, it's a possibility.

So yeah, I guess if they would have known, that

would have saved them a lot of trouble. But then,

of course, we wouldn't have been introduced to

the character of Jetfire. And also the Matrix

wouldn't have been freed from its chamber, but

we'll get to that. So Jetfire ends up saying,

yeah, he became an Autobot. And then Wheelie

is also pretty keen to this idea and also decides

to join the Autobots, which if anyone who owns

the Wheelie toy, he actually has a faction switching

gimmick in his engine. Oh, does he? Yeah, where

he could change from Autobot to Decepticon. Just

his logo could switch, which is pretty cool.

I picked that up. based on your recommendation,

I love it. You know what it is? He's a huge toy

for what he is. He's the biggest scout class

sized deluxe. He's a scout in his alt mode and

he's one of the tallest decepticons in the whole

movie. Exactly as far as the toy line goes. Yeah,

that's why like if there ever is a supreme of

that toy It's gonna be like to scale with the

movie. Did you see me quote you with the repro

labels Bigfoot? Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, Bigfoot.

Yeah, that'd be great Someone someone also they

also sent me a Twitter they're saying like or

they could do a decode. It's similar to Sentinel

Prime from anime, but yeah Yeah. Anyways, so

what ends up happening is also Wheelie joins

the ranks and starts humping Michaela's leg.

But another great Wheelie scene nonetheless,

because I really liked Wheelie in this movie

and any line that he had was appreciated. Salmon's

up showing him the symbols and then we're pretty

much shown to a riddle, which talks about the

three kings and, you know, the dagger's tip and

all of this, which is pretty much what the Transformers

nicknamed everything. And then Jetfire uses again

another nod to G1 Dimensional space bridge and

they automatically teleport to Egypt But he does

not tell them this Yeah, but he does not tell

this it's all very sudden now What's an interesting

cue with this scene that a lot of people don't

know is that Leo makes mention that they're in

Vegas? In the original script of this movie The

final battle was supposed to be in Las Vegas

and the pyramid was supposed to be the Luxor

pyramid that's found in Las Vegas. This was like

the first draft of the movie and you could find

this on the net somewhere. They obviously changed

a lot by the time they got to this version but

it was just an interesting little nod to the

first script of it where they mentioned Vegas.

The actor Shia LaBeouf at this point when he

was filming the movie had hurt his hand at this

point and broke his wrist due to a car accident

that happened outside of the movie. This was

kind of an excuse to work this into the movie

where due to the space bridge teleportation Sam

landed right on his wrist and then Michaela was

there to bandage it up very quickly. And this

wrist will be bandaged up for the rest of the

movie, but will disappear on and off if you look

carefully. Yeah, I noticed it. Not the first

time, but I noticed it on the subsequent viewings.

So for those people who are confused why Sam

is wearing a bandage for some reason, that's

kind of why that happened. It was more Shia's

in real life Jack Assery behind the wheel. So

they end up arriving. and then we're treated

to more transformer origins explaining the gigantic

war that happened over the matrix of leadership,

which was nice to finally have that brought into

the movie continuity. Oh, yes. While it doesn't

look exactly like the famous thermal nuclear

bomb that the matrix of leadership is known for,

originally drawn by Firo Diri, this one is...

More I guess you could say everything that was

ancient and transformers has a very more Egyptian

look this time around So it was something more

along those lines of an artifact shaped like

an s From Metroid, I guess I don't know the screw

attack ball. I don't know anyways so So Jetfire

tells them, yeah, and he gives them this riddle

again and explains how it's Sam's destiny, and

so they go on their way. And Jetfire seems to

part ways from them at this point in the movie.

So Sam, along with Bumblebee, Skids, and Mudflap,

go towards Dagger's tip, which is pretty much

the top of the Red Sea, because they know that

that's what it's nicknamed in the human world.

Divides Egypt and Jordan. Yeah, so now what was

the line when Donna lights the daggers tip the

three three things will illuminate something

Will illuminate the way or way the doorway. Yeah

the doorway Yeah, so Find the doorway So what

ends up happening is they They then head towards

the the the tomb which is found in the ancient

city of Petra I think it was called or something

or Petra and along the way obviously there's

a few comical scenes they they they end up being

stopped by a roadblock with a midget Arabic police

officer or whatever I don't really know why that

was added in the movie I guess they thought it

would be funny to put a midget and then wheelies

in the car look at this guy tell him he's tall

So what ends up happening is on the way there,

though, they start hiding from the Arabic police

or whatever, or the Egyptian police. And while

they're hiding in a town, they make a call. Well,

Simmons makes a call to the army telling them,

look, get Prime's body to Dagger's tip. They

use all kinds of obviously code and everything,

and they give a location. And he tells pretty

much Agent Simmons and all of them to bring Prime's

body over there. Something important is there.

So then they continue to follow the clues they

end up finding the ancient city of Petra and

They arrive and they find out that nothing's

there skids and mudflap end up fighting each

other Mudflap gets thrown into the wall revealing

a hidden doorway to a Tomb which end up becoming

the tombs of the primes where all the prime sacrificed

themselves to hide away the matrix Yes, this

was a really cool scene because me personally

I have a humongous obsession with those early

origins of Transformers. And that being said

also, Hasbro stated that in all the continuities

of Transformers there's a singularity and that

means there's only one Fallen, there's only one

Primus, there's only one Unicron among all the

continuities. And that stands for all the original

13, too. So this tomb was really something interesting

to me to see all those other primes for the first

time, at least in detail, although we would see

them even more so later on in the movie. But

I remember really getting a kick out of that

of the tombs of the primes, which was just something

really interesting. Yeah, that they sacrificed

everything to make sure. Yeah, it was just for

me, because I love the mythos of transformers

and I love the explanation of the beginnings.

Oh yeah, definitely. The fallen entrances me.

Just to learn more would be, you know? Definitely.

i think for me i don't think it was a good way

for them to uh... to incorporate the matrix into

the movies and i thought that they had to and

i think that's why you didn't get the explanation

of well what the hell did you say i'm just use

the shard to revive product so yeah you know

what i mean you have that incorporate the matrix

somewhere you can't wait till the third one to

do it it had to have been done in this one had

to be somewhere for sure so what ends up happening

is he ends up finding the matrix which was in

the hand of one of the one of the fallen primes

and when Sam goes to pick it up sadly it turns

to pixie dust so to speak or dust or sand then

Sam has a little bit of a breakdown he believes

that this will work and he tells Michaela to

just trust them he picks up all the sand and

puts it in his sock Around this time the military

finally arrived with prime but lo and behold

because they told them to meet at the daggers

tip they park their ass over there which sadly

wasn't exactly where the ancient city was. They

end up heading more towards the pyramids and

then it dawns on Sam and this goes back to when

he was in the astronomy class and he read his

entire astrology book. uh... now he had all the

knowledge of all the stars and everything because

of really going through the entire book in thirty

seconds the three things is a really do you know

what you do what the three kings were also i

forgot to mention uh... the at a ryan's belt

a ryan was mentioned at the beginning of the

movie where they mentioned virgo the virgin or

ryan the warrior or ryan was the uh... The original

name of optimus prime before he became optimus

prime ryan packs. That's right. So that was just

a little again I don't know if it was done on

purpose, but it was a little drop in there that

was put in the movie Yeah, so I didn't pick that

up on that until you just saw me. I'm nuts I

pick up on all this stupid stuff. But anyways,

so what is happening is that the body's there?

They're like, okay, let's head towards it Lennox

sees the car coming they shoot up a flare to

show them where they are but sadly because they

also shot up a flare there Starscream who was

hiding following them because they knew at least

where the daggers tip was they just didn't know

where the where the matrix was which was in Sam's

brain. So they all were around there also in

hiding. So a big battle ensues and Starscream

ends up shooting at Sam and them. They all have

to separate. Sam gets out of a bumblebee and

skids, hoping that they would be good decoys

while Sam on foot would head towards Optimus

to revive him. This is the part of the movie

that a lot of people kind of got wary. I know

even me seeing it on my third time, I kind of

noticed how it was a very long scene. And this

is when a giant firefight starts. Now it is high

on the action. But it does stretch very long,

this scene. I think this scene could also be

attributed to the Los Angeles scene from the

first movie when Aaron is like, Sam, get to the

building! And then he's running and it takes

him forever to run like six blocks. It takes

him like ten minutes to get to the dang building.

This scene is the exact same thing. He gets out

he's he's running with Michaela He has something

in his hand that he has to bring in the all spark

in one case and the other case out the matrix

pixie dust And so they're trying to get the prime

and everything and anything is getting in their

way and Sam is just running and running It's

Megatron. It's this guy. It's that guy. It's

Starscream and then they end up hiding inside

a little shack and We get a nice pan around scene

where it goes inside and then outside and then

inside again. We have a little insecticon that

ends up finding Sam and letting the other Decepticons

know that Sam is hiding in there. Then Bumblebee

shows up to save Sam and Ravage is ripped in

half like a fish, so to speak. We're also introduced

to the character of one of the Constructicons

that could actually could actually transform.

Oh god, it's not Mixed Master, it's not Rampage.

Scrapper? I think it might be Scrapper. It's

the one that's the pogo stick. He turns into

a jackhammer. So Bumblebee kicks his ass, again,

very gorely, rips his arms off, Ravage is ripped

in half. A lot of mech, fluid, and gore in this

one, let me tell you. It's a big change. And

all the while, that this is all happening, It

leads to another scene, which is happening with

two other members that separated from Sam, which

is Leo and Agent Simmons, who now have found

themselves in a little bit of a pit, surrounded

by six construction units. Yeah. And we all know

where this was going. Yeah, as soon as I saw

it, I was like, oh no. Yeah, we all knew where

this was going. What the heck? Are you alright

over here, Gary? Yeah, my headset just came off.

Felt off, sorry. Alright. Cool. Go on. So what

ends up happening is we are introduced to the

Constructicons and they combine. And it was a

big combination. It was very well done. I liked

how they almost kind of showed the gravity of

it. You know, how Devastator almost kind of had

like a difficulty lifting his head because it's

like obviously something that's many tons of

weight. So for something to just carry itself

like that under its own weight is impressive

as it is And it was just it was it was very cool

My only gripe about that was that it was I was

kind of hoping that this would be the centerpiece

of the movie That this would be the big final

battle But it wasn't but I'll get I'll get that

into that when we do the final review of the

entire movie of what I liked and what I didn't

like So and then what ends up happening is He

starts sucking up all the sand and everything

around it and into his big vortex trash compactor

Yes, and we almost think that but flap dies mud

flap ends up surviving and busting through Devastator's

face and skids helps him out and they start shooting

up Devastator and then Devastator knocks them

away and then Devastator begins his climb up

the pyramid and then we find out almost I think

what Devastator was built to do which is why

there's two sets of constructicons. One was built

for battle, but not to combine, and that's why

they transform. And the other were built to combine

to unearth the harvester. Wasn't it also said

either in the prequel or whatever that I just

bought the prequel novel today. I haven't read

it yet. I'm hoping it helps me out a lot on the

story. Oh, it will. There is no set number to

make devastation. What it is is that the Combiner

Devastator could use any number of construction

units to build up. So it could be six, it could

be nine, it could be 12, it could be seven. And

on top of it, there's two sets of them. One designed

solely for the purpose of combining, one designed

for the sole purpose of battle. And in this case

is the ones that actually turn into robot modes

because we see long haul. Devastator's truck

who combined with him, but we also see him fighting

in the skirmish in the desert we see Mix master

whose Devastator's head also in battle who's

also a triple changer who turns into a gun and

he has like he uses a shield out of his his cement

mixer I guess tube or whatever. They're all in

battle to fighting against the army men so Devastator

begins his ascent up the pyramid and agent Simmons

chases after him And we're treated to yet another

scene with the robo testicles, which I'm sure

everyone enjoyed. It's not every day we get to

see transformer testicles, but that was something

interesting. As long as they don't touch, you

know? They did. That's the point. What I'm curious

now is what the toy is going to do. Oh, no. I'm

gonna have the grappling hooks right there if

the toy is gonna have that extra detail But I

don't think it would get past the sensors. But

anyway, that would be great. Um So and then Simmons

he makes a call Because apparently he has the

hookup Simmons and just him dropping his name

in sector 7 gets him Gets the military to shoot

a super high. Well, no, they kept asking for

clearance and he said he said he knew about clearance

or you want to save 70 billion lives ready that

weapon so what ends up happening is they ready

some kind of like super insane rail gun that

fires from many miles away and which is a real

weapon it's a real weapon we have which and pretty

much takes out Devastator for I would assume

for good it he pretty much got messed up badly

but not before he unearthed the good amount of

the of the Sun Harvester that was necessarily

needed At this point we go back to Sam still

running towards Optimus Prime. But this time

Megatron finally shows up and Megatron is now

beginning the chase. And now he's chasing after

him and missiles are flying everywhere and more

explosions and more this and more that and then

an explosion hits Sam. And Sam is messed up bad

and he's dying. he actually is technically dead

they they bring in the uh the uh battles what

are the uh there's a term defibrillator they

bring in the defibrillator and he's not responding

and here's the scene where now Michaela goes

her full circle now she says she loves him and

everything and as this is happening that's damn

that's a pretty moving moment right there when

that's going on that was probably Megan Fox's

best acting in the movie because most of it was

pretty hollow. You need to be more serious. You

need to be more like you care about people. He's

dying here. Anyway, what ends up happening is

Sam ends up having a vision and this is very

similar to what's happened multiple times in

the Transformers mythos. which with Autobots

who've had the Matrix, Rotomus came to a near

-death experience in Season 3 and all of a sudden

saw all the past Primes. Optimus Prime, when

he almost died fighting against Galvatron in

Galaxy Force in the final battle, he ended up

seeing Vector Prime before... Doing his thing.

So it was really interesting now him too just

before dying while holding the matrix of leadership

He kind of becomes one with the matrix and sees

the previous primes the primes tell him you're

doing a great job But you you still have a job

to do Your you know, your destiny is greater

than this, you know Yada yada yada we get a nice

kind of like I guess minor silhouette view of

all the other primes who share similar characteristics

of that of the fallen of a very I guess Egyptian

kind of look to them. Yeah, which makes me really

wonder I guess I this is probably not ever gonna

be established but it almost is kind of queuing

to like oh Maybe this is why the Egyptians thought

their gods looked like that was because the Transformers

were their gods who knows like I Mean because

he has a very Anubis kind of look to him the

fallen but any I'm getting off topic there. So

Sam ends up like reviving the matrix is now not

dust anymore it's an actual legitimate matrix.

They bring him to Optimus Prime and they revive

him. And while Optimus Prime is being revived

Jetfire shows up on the scene and he starts cutting

people in half and kicking ass. But not before

Scorponok makes his appearance who is obviously

absent all this time and now has his tail working.

He has his tail back again. Scorponok shows up

and does quite the mortally big -ass wound on

jet fire and damages his whole side and But not

before jet fire kills Scorponok at least And

jet fires really busted up, but he's happy to

see that prime is back and alive And so prime

is back He stands up but not before the fallen

teleports in steals the matrix teleports away

Teleports to the Sun harvester and activates

it and informs everyone that less than the minute

from now this earth will be destroyed, yadda

yadda yadda. All the armies start attacking the

Fallen. The Fallen then shows one of his force

powers, because remember he's Darth Vader after

all. He was the most powerful of all the Primes,

he was stronger than his brothers. So he ends

up lifting everything dropping them all doing

lots of damage everyone's shooting and trying

to stop the fallen from Getting you know the

harvester to full function to fire and then as

jet fire is dying from his mortal wounds from

Scorponok He tells prime to combine with him.

He'll get a power unlike anything ever before

and what's cool is he rips out his spark Which

is cool because we never really saw sparks up

to this point in the movie continuity except

for mild suggestions in the first one and he

dies but not before and here's Jolt's defining

moment in the movie Jolt gets brought in to combine

the parts from Jetfire to Optimus Prime to enter

new toy Jet Prime or whatever he's officially

called and Jet Prime being a very cool looking

Combined mode is I guess we could say a homage

to many other jet primes that came before the

first being God Ginrai of Master Force fame.

Is that the right way to say that? Ginrai? Not

Ginrai? It's Ginrai. I believe you. I say it

how the Japanese say it. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, I

know you do, so I wanted to clear that up. Well,

actually, Goto Ginrai. Yeah. That would be the

correct way. But anyway, so Ginrai shows up pretty

much and it's Optimus Prime combined and he's

now amazing and super powerful and he pretty

much in one fair swoop knocks aside the fallen

and shoots the harvester and the harvester explodes

and assumably the Matrix is destroyed with it,

although in the novel version of the movie, Prime

takes the Matrix before he explodes the harvester.

It's hard to say what's going to come of that,

but one interpretation is different than another.

Anyways, after that, Ben begins a two -on -one

battle of Megatron and the Fallen against Optimus

Prime, which is gloriously done yet again. Another

great Optimus Prime fight scene where Optimus

uses his thrusters to shoot Megatron super far

away, and he messes up Megatron, shoots him face

-first. Megatron's half his face is missing.

Great stuff. Great, great battle. He ends up

then going for the Fallen. He cuts half of the

Fallen's face off. He then rips off the other

half. Give me your face. The famous line, give

me your face, is said that everyone is quoting

it. Derek Wyatt loves that line. He keeps retweeting

it. Everyone is putting that on Twitter right

now. And then he rips off his face, and then

we get this scene where he's trying to retreat.

He's in complete pain. And then Prime, right

through his chest, rips out his spark and crushes

it. Great scene. I remember everyone, at least

in my audience at this point, was cheering after

the fallen was killed. And then the famous line,

I rise, you fall. That was very cool. That was

very cool. Which is pretty much a variant of

one shall stand, one shall fall, which was pretty

cool. And then that's that we see Megatron Starscream

in shock that their leader is dead Megatron actually

looks genuinely Sad at the death of his master.

He actually looks depressed and then Starscream

being great Starscream, and he had a great line

there He's like, you know beat that his mace

Cowards do survive, you know not to call you

a coward, but yeah sometimes cowards And so now

a completely beat -up Megatron and beat -up Starscream

escape. And as the official record is right now,

it's just Megatron, Starscream, and Soundwave

who are alive. Optimus Prime makes his famous

walk towards the humans next to the Sphinx. He

disengages all his armor. Very cool scene. Just

all absolutely gorgeous. The way the movie ties

up at the end is very spectacular in terms of

visuals. to the carrier ship where we get the

conclusion of the movie. Optimus Prime is now

fully repaired, Sam is better now, although concealing

his broken hand inside his jacket, which they

did on purpose because his hand is still broken

up to this point in real life. And then Optimus

does his monologue, which is saying never forget

the past, yada, yada, yada. And then we come

to the credits. For those who are wondering,

there is no major after credit stuff, which is

kind of interesting that they didn't do that

considering it seems to be the thing all movies

are doing now. Yeah, I did sit there through

the first time and there was only that one scene

with the parents saying something, yeah. It wasn't

even as much for me to remember. It was like

something stupid. It was Sam returning to college

and then the professor saying, oh, welcome back,

Einstein. Oh, no, I remember that. But I mean,

after the credits started rolling when the parents

said something. There was something with the

parents, too. And that was pretty much it. My

belief, I think, is they kind of wanted to leave

it open -ended. See where it goes from there.

My speculation, even though it might be a little

far -fetched, I think that they'll try to play

out, well, why did the Fallen betray his people

to get energy? What did he need it for? Again,

knowing the previous past of the Fallen because

of his G1 continuity, He didn't care about the

humans. Yeah, and that too. But what did he need

it for? What was it so important to him to kill

all these humans to get energy? And I think there

might have been something more to this, and this

is where I suggest Unicron for the third movie.

Although, again, it's a complete stretch and

speculation. I know it's nuts to say that. Although

Shia... In a recent interview said Dinobots and

Galvatron are going to be in the third movie

So if there's Galvatron, then there has to be

Unicron And again considering the lousy shape

that Megatron was in at the end of this movie

It's a very strong possibility needs a new body

Again, you always have to remember they have

to sell you a new toy So yeah, very much so so

they're not gonna sell you another Megatron again,

so not gonna sell me another prime. I love this

prime So and so what it brings us down to now

guys is we'll go through one at a time I guess

what was your favorite stuff and what didn't

you like about the movie? So I guess we'll start

with our host. Well I think before we do that

we're going to take a quick break just because

we're coming up on 30 over 30 minutes and like

I said before I want to make sure we get this

done. So we'll take another intermission. Transforming

from big rig into powerful robot. He's the greatest

Autobot warrior of them all. With a hidden battle

platform. Twin rocket launchers for double the

damage. And a light and sound power pack for

real battle action. And when Optimus talks...

I am Optimus Prime. The Decepticons will run

for cover. Transformers! Robot Sentry! Transformers

in Arranger 2. Optimus Prime is all you see here.

Alright, well we've gone through the synopsis

of the movie and now we're going to get to our

thoughts and I guess I will go first. As a general

moviegoer, setting aside my G1 fanboyism, I like

the movie. I like it for the action. This is

not a movie that you go see for plot. Yes, there

is a plot. Yes, there is a backstory. That's

fine. But Transformers... It's just not something

you go see for for depth. It's something to go

see giant fucking robots shooting at each other

That's just what it is One thing we actually

left out of the actual synopsis was the scene

where They're in the temple and skids and mud

flap are being cool brats and bumblebee picks

them up and smashes their heads together Had

a complete three stooges moment when I saw that

I said, okay. Oh, yeah when he throws them out

the big doorway Yeah, yeah, he smashes their

head together. He smashes their heads together

and throws it Yeah, I know but I had a complete

three stooges flashback Bumblebee is mo and skids

and mud flapper are Larry and Curly just because

I'm so That was a good scene I had mentioned

somewhere else, I don't know if it's written

on PredaconEmpire .com forums or anything like

that or if it's something that's in the podcast

Overall rating for the movie the action I give

a 10 out of 10 and the story I give like a 4

out of 10 just because It didn't really capture

me that well. I mean, yeah, I like all the homages

Yeah, I like all the action but the story itself

kind of sucked and I could not stand the fall

and I'm sorry they fucked Megatron's characterization

up in this movie and I'm sorry to keep saying

the f -word but This is the way I feel, because

Megatron is not a sniveling Starscream clone.

He's just not. I mean, if they were going to

bring Unicron into this, I could see. But this

whole other character that me personally, I know

nothing about, I think Michael Bay screwed it

up. And you have a right to do so, because the

Fallen actually in the G1 original story has

nothing to do with Megatron. In fact, when the

Fallen shows up megatron's not even around yeah

in this movie he's his apprentice like darth

vader you know so it was a completely different

spit on things and i do not like it whatsoever

uh... i didn't mind so much prime going darker

uh... you know even though peter cullen who is

obviously the the only person i think that should

ever play prime anywhere that's just my g one

coming out of me but uh... you know even though

peter cullen plays them He is not the G1 Prime.

He's not even close to being Optimus Primal or

Optimus Prime from animated. He is its own character

and yeah, while I think that some of the original

characterization should have been there, I didn't

really mind him going all ballistic. I actually

kind of liked it, seeing Prime kick some ass.

Yeah, this like I said, yeah this this prime

doesn't mess around like I will take you all

on like this guy Yeah, he's just he's he's crazy

and it's awesome because it reminds me of for

anyone who watched Beast Wars The episode guerrilla

warfare were primal kind of like went all out

to if anyone remembers that so that is it's nice

to see a leader character that kind of has that

like rambo mentality sometimes it's it makes

for good viewing it makes for good action but

i mean that's really all my thoughts on i mean

you know i've i've actually said my thoughts

plenty of other times over the past week and

a half so even though i can talk about the movie

um... kind of talked out about it so i'll let

you guys go next whoever wants to go gary i'll

go uh... I was told about the story now. I second

your comments on how it's just a nonstop action

packed thriller that doesn't really need a story

to blow you away. It does its job. And for the

general audience these days, I think they were

saying something like 91 % of people coming out

of this liked it better. If not as much as the

first film and then and you can't find a leader

prime around here anywhere Oh, yeah, definitely.

They are gone. I mean these things are flying

off the shelves The movie's doing great, which

even if you're a movie hater listening to this

know that all that money that the movie is raking

in will be going towards masterpieces, classics,

stuff that you might enjoy if you don't enjoy

movie toys. It's good for the fandom, even if

you are a hater. Which by the way, as we speak

right now, as of midnight of July 1st, so happy

Canada Day for everyone. Yeah, as of this moment,

the movie right now is at $419 million worldwide,

which makes it ranked 100 already worldwide as

greatest selling movie of all time, and it's

at 80 domestically. So right now, the movie has

already made double its money back. Already in

what six or seven days. It's officially six days

point nine nine hours There you go. I have the

exact numbers right here Proto man don't mess

around I don't mess around but it's just it this

movies, you know I remember someone said it's

it's the greatest selling movie of all time with

the worst reviews of all time yeah, you know,

it's I saw that on CFW the Everyone's hated everyone

who's a critic is hating on it, but this movie

is a monster that's making it's eating money

up like Devastator, you know, it's just oh, yeah,

it's the best worst reviewed movie I like to

add a couple of comments on the plot. I thought

that I echo all the sentiments about Megan Fox

not having any character, but in that scene,

I don't know how many takes it took. But when

she was talking to Sam, that was very, very moving.

And there was a girl kind of next to me. I could

kind of tell she was kind of tearing up. put

her hand on her boyfriend and stuff like that

it was a very you know I know that sounds kind

of sissy or whatever but it was a very moving

moment and she did have her shining moment in

that. And a lot of other times she just seems

kind of unanimated and stuff like that. The whole

Devastator thing was really cool. Like I said,

I still got to read that prequel novel and I

recommend anyone who hasn't who wants to learn

more about the plot in Devastator and the things

we've talked about to get the prequel novel or

the prequel comic adaptation. The two books that

I suggest people to read to get a better understanding

going into this movie, again, if they're going

to do a second or third viewing. Read the prequel

books, one to six, which is Transformers, Revenge

of the Fallen, the prequel. And then there's

another series called Reign of Starscream, which

is another one also, which happens directly after

the end of the first movie. What about the trade

paperback? That's what I got. Oh, yes. Yeah,

the trades have it all. The trades have it all

in one shot. OK, and then I have the actual movie

adaptation, which I'm going to read after that.

OK, now a question. Is there, okay you said there's

a movie adaptation. Is there an actual prequel

novel? Like actual book novel not comic? Okay,

of the prequel material only there's comic books.

In the first movie there was a prequel novel,

but it only was there to establish the characterization

of the Decepticons. That's it. And it was called

The Ghosts of Yesterday. I read that one and

to be honest you don't have to read that one,

it's not really good, it doesn't add anything

to the story. All the important prequel material

for the first movie and the second movie is all

in comic book form and it can all be bought at

your local chapters or whatever or bookstores

in trade paperback form in the graphic novel

section. So you don't have to even go to your

comic store and dig up multiple issues. Right,

yeah, I actually did see it in a comic shop and

I grabbed it and I put it down because I found

some alternators for like 10 bucks. and I'm helping

out a fan on the boards for just what I paid

for him. I got Wheeljack for 15 bucks and a bunch

of others. But anyway, yeah, you can go into

a regular bookstore. Barnes and Noble has this

stuff. You don't have to go searching out a comic

shop. So any readers listening, it's read Reign

of Starscream and then the movie prequel book,

which is called Defiance. and Alliance and those

are good reads those are really good reads Defiance

explains more about the Fallen Alliance explains

what's been going on the past two years with

the humans and the Autobots and Reign of Starscream

explains where Starscream went after he escaped

the atmosphere in the first movie and why he

was on Titan the moon of Saturn in the second

one waiting for Megatron with the Fallen in hand

and everything it's all It's all really good

stuff, and again, I always stress this to people.

We have 25 years of fiction. Enjoy it read there's

so much to enjoy so much of it is great. Especially

the written word ones, you know It's out there

because it really describes in detail and puts

it in your mind Oh, yeah, it does. It really

it really it really helps you with the bigger

picture of stuff I mean one thing that I love

about Transformers is that I could go into that

movie and with what I know I could enjoy it,

you know, oh, yeah Definitely. Um, anything else

you want to add Gary? I would just like to say

that Not only do you have to be, you don't have

to be a Transformer fan to like this movie, and

that's one of the greatest appeals of it. I mean,

yeah, sure, we're all fans and talking about

this and that and the Fallen and all this, but

the average kid, the average teenager, the theater

was half -filled. I mean, they were Transformers

fans, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of

kids in there, there's a lot of teenagers, and

I mean, from the 13 to 17 group, which, They're

really targeting with this and I just really

hope for the best with merchandise. Everyone

seemed to love it. When Optimus came back to

life, that theater was rounding applause. It

was amazing. It was really cool. That was opening

night. I mean, the subsequent times I saw it,

you heard a few people clap and stuff, but opening

night where the hardcore fans were, all that

was. It was really neat because they're like,

yes, they brought him back to life. So that's

my closing thoughts. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I am going to read the novels and the movie adaptation.

And then I would like to see it in IMAX because

I want to see the footage, the action footage,

especially where Prime is taking on all those

guys in the forest. Because if you notice in

the movie, he's crystal clear. But all the other

robots are kind of fuzzy. And in IMAX, it's not.

It's all super clear. Now I do have to say that

if you're going to IMAX just for the IMAX experience

and not expecting any additional scenes, that's

fine. But if you're going to go to IMAX viewing

to see additional stuff, you won't get it. Yeah,

there's no additional stuff as far as I know.

Nothing yet. I've seen it in both. I compared

them and contrast them. There's nothing. Yeah,

it's just it's just those specific battle scenes

specifically every scene that prime has been

in Is super like I maxed up to death That's for

sure. Yeah, you actually noticed that the resolution

becomes a lot better. Oh, yeah But at the same

time I'm paying that kind of money to go see

that especially Which we didn't really bring

up in the synopsis the scene with Simmons Undressing

himself. Yeah, I don't I don't I don't need I'm

sorry, but I don't need to see John DeTurro's

ass in IMAX I'm sorry. I just don't not not the

ass, but the cup with the scepters sector That

was hilarious because you remember before he

had he had the sector 7 t -shirt like the Superman

Yeah, so that was just kind of a classic phase

like what it's a baseball things. Yeah, I'm be

Jeter They all do it You know, I thought it was

kind of funny. But yes the first shot of his

cheeks. I didn't need that I would have known

what it was from the front or if they could have

shown really quickly that and then have him turn

around Yeah, just a little few few seconds too

much of that But it I took it with a grain of

salt and I thought it was hilarious. Honestly,

so, you know and actually Draven posted on Twitter

that he was going to make a custom one for his

girlfriend who is a big Transformers fan as well

just to see what she would do and I think she'd

be rolling on the floor laughing which also I

wanted to mention ROTF Revenge of the Falling

also stands for Rolling on the Floor Laughing.

So what are your thoughts? Oh man, where do I

begin? First of all, the first movie I gave an

8 out of 10. Where it's not perfect, but it's

pretty damn good. This one, I also give an 8

out of a 10. But to me I say that because to

me it's two different kinds of movies. The first

movie I felt was a good solid movie from start

to finish. I thought it was a good complete movie.

That every scene kind of complimented itself

and it moved kind of smoothly and the editing

was pretty good. While this movie doesn't have

that. Now I obviously don't take points away

from it because of other factors though. uh...

the editing in this movie was as good uh... the

scenes didn't compliments and as a whole it wasn't

a good movie what but there was parts of the

movie that would then excel it from the first

movie above and beyond that being uh... for one

robot seems communication uh... the first movie

i could literally count on my hands how many

times one robot talk to another prime versus

megatron a ratchet iron hide when he touched

the The the electrical poles Jazz to prime and

that was it pretty much. There was no other major

robot communications There was a Starscream and

Megatron for like five seconds Yeah, where this

one had tons of them tons of robots talking to

each other and and just great robot scenes I

felt I almost felt when I was watching the first

movie I was just waiting for the next robot scene.

It's all I wanted. But it was so limited that

even if I got a line from Ironhide, I was happy.

In this one, it was all over the place. It was

great. I got lines from all different characters.

It was fun. The second thing that makes it still

a good movie, despite the fact that I found as

a whole movie it wasn't put together well, the

fight scenes, the choreography. Oh, yes. Any

fight scene that had Optimus Prime in it was

spectacular and epic beyond epic. Whether it

be the fight against Demolisher, the fight against

Grindor, Starscream, and Megatron in the forest,

or the fight against the Fallen and Megatron.

Every fight scene that Prime was in was guaranteed

gold and incredible and your mouth hanging from

your mouth. Actually your mouth open hanging

from your head. It's just it's in my mouth It

was it was it was great. It was absolutely stunning

Aside from that the only and I loved wheelie

I like that he made it for me the wheelie was

my there was the character that made the movie

for me My only major gripes that I have number

one I felt that I expected more of Devastator.

I guess that's just my own fault for I did I

was I was hoping for some kind of big Autobot

versus Devastator showdown You know kind of like

I guess heavy metal wars again. I'm hoping for

too much Instead of it just being the twins kind

of like chipping away at him and then running

away I was hoping there would be some kind of

Autobot combining involving Finishing off Devastator

besides obviously prime at the end Which was

cool enough in itself don't get me wrong, but

like this whole thing I mean I like I said I

stayed spoiler free But you you can't not know

that jetfire and prime combined. I mean the toy

picture leaked way early I mean, you know, so

we knew that but it was just for such a short

time And yeah, and one other thing I'd like to

add is that jetfire? his dad didn't transform

into anything. He was one of the original Decepticons.

So he said he'd lived his whole life without

doing anything honorable until now. And he gave

up his spark in his life to finish this off and

get this done and go out with honor. I thought

that was just amazing. I really like Jetfire

in this movie. I just wanted to add that. Oh,

yeah. And just to go on the whole Jetfire Prime

thing really quick, in the movie, you said that

Prime... Took his own Add -ons off. I thought

Megatron or somebody that was attacking prime.

I thought they got cut off of him the jet He

disengages them. What happens is there's there's

after the final battle was done There's this

famous slow -mo scene where prime is walking

towards the humans the battle is and he shakes

them off And then he kind of like disengages

them. It's like When they all like come off like

armor, you know, but you can see his legs and

his arms have pieces of jet fire in them Yeah,

I'll have to watch it again So I wonder if that's

gonna be in the next movie Are you gonna have

a prime that still has part of jet fire with

him or is he just gonna be prime? Because now

you have a stronger prime. He doesn't necessarily

need the boosters. He can always add those. He

shook those off probably because they were heavy

as hell from the SR -71 Blackbird. What else

did I want to add? The only other thing I guess

that really bothered me was I guess I wanted

more from certain specific characters. I really

wanted more from Sideswipe. Considering that

prior to the movie coming out he was one of those

characters that was marketed to death I remember

like side swipe slushy cups and side swipe like

I mean there was side swipe everything posters

and other and he kind of got Three lines or two

lines. He got Sam Fall back and damn. I'm good

Those were his three lines in the whole movie

Yeah, they said they said something in the desert

about calling side swipe, but there was really

nothing there Yeah, he just said it was side

swipe. He does his little spin and what was cool

was if you play in the games As side swipe side

swipe is displayed as like kind of a skateboarder

because he like he or like a rollerblader Which

is really cool on wheels. Yeah. Yeah, and it's

really cool because in the game when he jumps

He jumps like a rollerblader like you like he

grabs his hit He grabs his like his heels and

stuff and it's really cool and like when he runs

he runs like he's skating So when I played the

game first, the good thing is that the DS version

of the game, they said that it's 100 % spoiler

free because it's a different story from the

movie. So I played that and I was really looking

forward to Sideswipe. I really, really was. And

while he did get a good scene and he was really

cool, I guess I wanted more. It's the same thing,

kind of like how the RC Twins kind of got a couple

a lot. That's what I was just going to add after

you finished with that. I would have liked to

see more RC. We never really got a really good,

clear standing shot of the RC girls. I have one

question for you. I think I know the answer,

but I'm not positive. She only spoke once, and

it was as chromia, I believe, when she was coming

in through the doorway like a week ago now. that

was so blue wasn't it the purple one that like

there was three colors there's blue purple and

pink the pink one is rc the blue one is chromia

and the purple one is moon racer moon racer is

the one that comes to our seat wins yet yet they

call me rc twins or something uh... when when

moon racer came in and says oh sam there you

are uh... she's the one to get shot after uh...

yeah i like It sounded like her but it was such

a brief moment that even though I've seen it

a few times. I read somewhere I think that it

is her. They said it was confirmed on TFW but

they just wanted to know. You know what, it was

so quick. She's always been RC, she's been RC

in everything. Actually, and here's a fun fact,

Sue Blue has done more Transformer stuff than

Peter Cullen or any other Transformer actor.

But that's just it, but not always as a voice

actor. She was a voice director for a lot of

other stuff, too. So she's always been around

in Transformers, so it's really cool to have

her also in the live -action movie. I believe

it was said in the... I have the Beast Machines.

It's in the other room. I believe it was said

on the Beast Machines DVD set. She said she has

been the only voice, quote unquote, voice actor...

that has been with the Transformers for the entire

25 year run since the original cartoon. Well

Peter Cullen and... Well yeah, but I mean Peter...

Oh, he didn't do Armada and stuff, yeah. Exactly.

Peter Cullen didn't do Beast Wars, he didn't

do Armada, he didn't do Energon, he didn't do

Galaxy Force aka Cybertron. He made his triumphant

return for the movie. He didn't do animated,

Sue Blue did animated. She has been the only

original G1 voice actor, the only one that has

stuck with the entire Transformer line for the

past 25 years. She hasn't been in everything,

but she has been in it the longest because she

was in G1. She was doing the voice directing

for Beast Wars. She was doing the voice directing

for Beast Machines. She did the voice directing

for some episodes of the, what do you call it?

of animated and then did actual voice acting

in animated. She did the voice acting for the

original 86 movie. She did the voice acting for

this movie now. She's done a lot more than Peter

Cullen, than Gary Chalk, who's known for Primal.

Although, and here's another fun fact, Gary Chalk,

who does Optimus Primal and Optimus Prime has

done more episodes as Optimus Prime than Peter

Cullen. Oh yeah, well it's because... Because

of Armada, Super Link, and... and on which is

fifty two episodes each right there which overtakes

callings ninety eight from g one anyways i'm

getting factual here so yes uh... anyways says

that should probably wrap it up yeah i think

that i think we are going to wrap it up i think

it's been a good discussion overall for the movie

um... and thank you very much for a man that

was a does a very great synopsis yeah it up from

very very enjoyable talking about this in a nice

calm manner earlier that's not there are some

forms on the internet that i'll leave nameless

that talk about the movie and i'd just let me

tell you about the kind of i don't see I'm the

kind of guy that I could sit down and have a

calm discussion, and I will help say why Hot

Rod sucks, okay? I know you won't. Honestly,

I could sit down and do a discussion about why

Hot Rod sucks calmly, although I wouldn't believe

it, but I could find factual points of it. Look,

you have to realize in the end, guys, it's all

in plain fun. Oh, yeah. Don't rage over it. And

it's all for the kids. It's for kids to buy toys.

The fact that they give us so many homages and

touches to G1 and other series is just all a

bonus. It's all gravy. Exactly, that's all the

cherry on the cake for us. Don't bitch about

the story, but talk about how awesome it was.

There were some things I didn't like. I would

have liked to have seen a much better RC, but

I didn't see it. But I still love the movie and

I'm not going to complain about it. And alternatively,

would have you liked to see RC but lose a prime

scene like that? No, no. You know what I mean.

I would have just liked to maybe see them combine

and do something with Devastate or just a little

bit more maybe. But ultimately in the end we

got a great movie. And we should be grateful

for what we got because they didn't have to make

Transformer movies. I'll have to say. that based

on discussions and just hearsay, spoiler free

for the most part, I wasn't expecting too much.

I honestly thought that when Michael Bay said

that they killed off RC early. and that they

didn't really talk about her. We didn't really

hear too much about the toys, or we still haven't

heard about the third toy. And I thought that

that was true. And if you notice in the end,

she gets shot in the chest, and she just falls

down. She doesn't die. And you notice in the

end, Michaela is not riding a red motorcycle,

because first of all, she flew over there. She's

riding pink RC. Well, Michael Bay, he did that

to screw with the fans. No, I know that. My wife's

board name is RC, so I've custom made RC characters

and Black Prime characters in my name, so I have

an attachment to RC in that way. The actual model

in the movie wasn't the best. uh... just the

fact that she was in it unhappy like you said

you can find a discussion about why i didn't

like this or that but she was in the movie and

it was so blue i mean there you go i mean there

you go i'm happy with that yeah i actually after

i saw the movie last week i'd come home and i

i had to start doing uh... audio for for tfg

one twenty one which is already recorded will

be out this friday But in that podcast episode,

Michael Wilson and I talk about only human, where

features the Transformers crossover with Cobra

Commander. And in that, Rodimus, R .C., Magnus,

and Springer all become human. Well, in one scene

with Magnus and R .C., the human version of R

.C., Magnus tells her to go to Autobot City.

She actually gets on a red motorcycle and rides

off. And I did not notice that until after I

saw Revenge of the Fallen. I never noticed that

before, that RC, her human form, gets on a red

motorcycle in the G1 cartoon. Shades of the future.

Exactly. Really quick, I'm not really sure when

this will go up. I'm pretty sure episode four

with the contest reveal will go up first. Depending

on whenever this can get edited. I'm not really

sure exactly seeing as how we've had some technical

difficulties But this has been the transformers

toy cast revenge of the fallen discussion with

optimus scourge and the goddamn proto man Like

to thank you guys for joining me on this the

toy cast Discussion for episode 4 is tomorrow

evening. I believe we've set up. I think 7 38

o 'clock Eastern. I'm not sure Do you guys have

any final thoughts or would you like to give

your Twitter names or contact information or

any of that kind of stuff? My name is Gary but

I go by optimist underscore scourge on Twitter.

You can follow me there or you can find me posting

occasionally on www .tfw2005 .com. And if you

haven't seen this movie yet, Get your butt out

to fit the theater. Even if you go see a cheaper

matinee or a drive -in, take your friends, go

see this movie. Even if you don't like Transformers,

how can you not like an action -packed blockbuster

super hit movie? And what's your information

that you want to give out for the man? I'm also

on TFW2005 .com. My name is protoman on the boards

there. I'm also on Cybertron .ca. I'm also protoman

on that one and I'm a moderator and staff on

that. My Twitter is protomanx, it's all one.

Someone took protoman, he will pay. Someone took

Optimus Scourge on Twitter. Oh, really? Wow.

Yours is a lot more obscure than mine. I know.

There's somebody out there that did this on a

couple boards. Anyways. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

That's okay. What else? Yeah, like Gary said

before, look, go see this movie. I saw it with

Transformer fans. I saw it with my casual fans.

I saw it with my racing friends. I saw it with

my girlfriend. I saw it with my parents. I brought

everyone to see this movie. Just go see it. Turn

off your brain. Don't expect Shakespeare. Expect

a roller coaster ride. It's more like an amusement

park. That's all it is. You don't go to an amusement

park to find an epiphany, to find the meaning

of life. You go there to have a good time. This

is what this movie is. It's a good time. You

will get out of that theater, you will wipe your

brow, and you will be like, wow, that was crazy.

and and and and and and and and and and and and

and and and and and and and and and See you later.

I think we're gonna end with a famous Optimus

Prime line.