1986 Transformers Movie Toyline

Cliffjumper, commence countdown! Five, four,

three, two, one! And welcome to Toycast, this

is episode 86. I am one of your hosts, Steve,

Joe, and Mike, and joining me is Pecan Court

Michael. Hello. Hey, how's it going? It's going.

How are you? Not bad. Can't complain. Awesome.

I could complain. It wouldn't help. I wouldn't

help. I'm not going to bother. Nobody's listening.

Hey. Come on now. To me. Come all right, I'm

sorry So what are you been up to in the new year

so far? All sorts of neat things I actually set

myself and the boys up in karate. Oh Really?

Yeah, you know I did that like ten years ago

I went to a local dojo and I was there for about

a year. And it was nice. You know, I gained a

lot there and I always wanted to go back. I never

did. But now that the boys are old enough, we

wanted to put them in there. Five and three are

old enough. Well, they started at three and it's

not it's not. So much for you know self -defense

at three years old. It's more for you know getting

them to pay attention and follow directions Yeah,

teaching them discipline. Yeah, so it's self

-control When I think of discipline, it's like

over my knee But no, it's it's yeah self -control

But but but it's also teaching people and children

about discipline as well. I mean, it's setting

a good example Right self -discipline, right?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah Well at that age now when

you get in the five You know six seven years

old that's when they start doing punching kicking

blocking that type of thing. Yeah, but at At

three years old it's it's more about you know,

can you follow directions? Can you exactly control

yourself? And honestly gavin needs a little of

that And poor gavin, no, well, he's headstrong

He really is and you know if he decides he doesn't

want to do something. He's just gonna put his

foot down and be like no And this can be something

as simple as put on your coat. No, I don't want

to. No. Well, you want to go outside? Yeah. Well,

you only got to put on your coat. No. All right.

Look, kid. It's going to make this real simple

for you. But it gets old real quick as a parent.

So. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I mean, this wouldn't

hurt him at all to get him to follow directions

a little more. Reliably and Aiden is at a point

now where he's I don't want to say afraid of

the dark, but let's say wary of dark places Yeah,

so so yeah, it wouldn't it wouldn't hurt to give

him a little self -confidence to Because nothing

builds self -confidence better than knowing that

you could whoop the ass of whatever's in the

dark waiting for you Yeah, that's true Well,

you know, it helped me. Well, you know, it's

more, again, it's self -confidence. It started

off as, you know, I need to get healthy and I

don't really like sports and this is something

I've always wanted to do. But yeah, I want to

get the boys involved. Yes, and toy cast is on

a roaring return we have recorded episode we

have recorded and released episode 85 We recorded

the the the special episode which will be before

which we would have already heard by now Of the

art of toy company hate Which is mainly directed

at Mattel? because of Shit that they put me through

hater Damn those loincloth action figures. Is

that a loincloth? I always thought that was like

wooly mammoth butt. Wrapped around your girdle

region. I'm still looking at Dora. She has a

heart -shaped butt, but anyway. So now we're

moving on to in this episode we're going to be

talking mainly about the 1986 line of Autobots

and Decepticons that coincided with Transformers

the movie. We haven't done Transformers talk

in a long time here on Toycast. I think the last

episode we did Transformers talk was maybe 75.

I think that's when we did one of the last broadcasts

at the time. Oh, I was gonna say maybe the last

time I was on no, it's all I do Well, that's

the only collection your wife allows you to have

other than one exactly Phineas and Ferb toy that

I had her get you Thank you for that. Yes, you're

welcome So we're gonna take a break you're gonna

hear a quick audio clip and we'll be back with

the 1986 line of Transformers generation one

toys Introducing Rodimus Prime. No one can take

on the Decepticons like Rodimus Prime. The Transformers

eat so separately from Hasbro. We are the Transformers!

We're about to save the sky! No, we can stop

Minasaur! That's superior! The Transformers,

sold separately from Hasbro. It meets the eye.

Autobots, this is our new city, Metroplex. It

can transform into a battle station and then

transform again into the gigantic Metroplex himself.

But the Combaticons can combine to form Bruticus.

No, but I feel this power. Decepticons attack!

Transform Metroplex! The Transformers! The Transformers

from Hasbro. Ultra Magnus! The courageous Ultra

Magnus is a born leader. We meet at last, Galvatron.

And it will be the last time we meet. And Galvatron

is Ultra Magnus' sworn enemy! Transformers! Galvatron

transforms from Razor Cannon to Fighting Robot.

And Ultra Magnus from Huge Car Carrier to Autobot

Commander. The Transformers, more than meets

the eye. The Transformers, each sold separately

from Hasbro. So we are back, and we are going

to be talking about G1 toys. As I found out during

the break, it wasn't since episode 75. The last

episode we talked about Transformers was actually

episode 84 with Spada and myself. The main purpose

of this, so everybody's in on my numbering scheme

and joke and theme scheme is this is episode

86. Transformers the movie came out in 1986.

So we're mainly gonna focus on the 86 catalog

We will then go into if we want to talk about

the 85 catalog or the 87 catalog. We'll do that

as well We're not gonna we're not gonna talk

about the 1986 GI Joe line, right? What fully

articulated army men now? See cuz the Cobra bat

is like my favorite action figure of all time

and he came out in 1986. Oh Does he transform?

Only his arm Wait, it transforms up and down,

doesn't it? He has a special arm. No, no, he's

actually got a backpack full of arms. And he

just replaces them. Multiple stroking arms, oh

lovely. Some of them you wouldn't want to stroke

with. Okay. He's got like a saw blade or something,

I think you'd damage your crotch with that one.

You're really into the dick and fart jokes tonight,

aren't you? Well, no, it's a Cobra bat. How bad

could you go with the code? Android trooper freaking

battle Android trooper figure. I I don't see

how that how you ended up with masturbation from

that. I Sorry, I brought it up sir pentor came

out that year to he's cool So transformers, yeah

Transformers. This is not a GI Joe podcast. This

is not what's on Joe mine. This is what's on

Megatron's mind See if this catalog has the oh,

yeah. Yeah, this is over there. Okay Alright,

so the way we're gonna do this is where I start

with the Autobots and then move on to the Decepticons

the 86 line and Michael as well as Proto Man

has supplied us with images of the 86 catalog

and some other stuff. So we're going to start

with the Autobots. Well, I guess we're going

to talk about the biggest city bot in the room,

Metroplex. I actually had a Metroplex when I

was little. I was excited. I got one for my birthday.

Awesome. Yeah, it was very cool. The cool part

about Metroplex isn't so much that he's a really

big robot because he's really big for the time,

but the fact that he becomes a city. That's the

cool part is that is is the city mode. Yeah,

you know, and the sad thing is is he's got a

helipad and I never had a helicopter. Oh, I know

I know I didn't have blades as a kid and I was

really wanting one so I could land them on the

helipad. But everything else is very cool about

him. I mean, you know, he's got a city mode.

He's got an armored city mode, which is basically.

Well for me when I vehicle yeah, well, no the

rolling vehicle was kind of lame to be honest

for For me the city mode. Well, the armor is

city mode was like the city mode with guns on

it Okay, so all the guns from like the the the

there's a separate figure Oh I want to say his

name what his name wasn't six shot. There's like

six armor or something six gun but Yeah, basically,

you take the six guns and you put them together

and he's got guns for arms and guns for legs

and the guns for a head and guns on his back.

But you take them apart and then you can put

the guns on Metroplex's arms or wherever you

want. But in city mode, they can also plug into

the sides of the buildings and on top of the

little buildings and such. I want to say the

canopies that become the knee. Covered yeah,

you know you can plug the guns in there But yeah,

I mean that's really cool to have this big city

with guns and stuff sticking out of it the rolling

Yeah, basically the rolling armored complex yeah,

yeah the The Metroplex a PC version. Yeah. Well,

it's sad because it mean it looks like right

Metroplex except You know Metroplex sitting down.

Yeah with his head tucked in And it's like, oh,

you happen to have wheels under there. That's

kind of neat. Yeah. His head's tucked into his

ass. Well, it's tucked into his chest. But yeah.

Right. Well, yeah. I mean, you put the guns where

they're supposed to go, you know, plug the guns

into his arms, plug the guns into his legs. And

there you go. Now, the cool thing about Metroplex

that I didn't know until I was much older is

that this is a Japanese thing. So if you're not

familiar with the Japanese toy line, this is

going to be a shocker for you. But in the Japanese

toy line called Scramble City, Metroplex had

a documented feature in the instruction booklets.

Let's say if you have Superion, right? Or the

Protectorbots. And normally you've got one main

figure, like a hotspot for the Protectorbots,

and then all the other figures plug into it.

as arms and legs. Right. Well, you can take those

same figures using the same attachment joint,

which is usually their head, and it will attach

to the arms and legs of Metroplex. Right. Yeah.

Well, you know, for me, that blew my mind. I

had no idea. I mean, if I had known when I was

little that, you know, if I had blades, I could,

you know, plug him into the side of Metroplex's

arm, that would have been huge for me. Yeah,

that would have been awesome. It would have been

amazing also what they don't tell you in America

and they only tell you in Japan is that hotspot

and silverbolt on the on the Aerial bot side

they they have base modes So you can transform

them into a base mode and then that attaches

to the garages on Metroplex Cool. Yeah, so the

so the the limbs attach and then the body transforms

into a little mini base. So you could actually

make your Metroplex bigger. Now this is all because

of, in Japan at the time, they went from Season

2 to Scramble City because they didn't get TFTM

until like 1987 -88. They didn't get it until

like a year and a half later. Came out here in

the states in 86 and then 86 went You know it

went from season 2 to the movie and then season

3 whereas in Japan it went from season 2 Scramble

City the movie then they went on to do headmasters

and victory and master all that Japanese stuff

Yeah, well, I think they got the movie at some

point, but yeah, they got it like a year later

in yeah, but no there's a whole separate Japanese

continuity that Scramble City is a part of. The

cool thing about Scramble City was that there's

all these features for Metroplex and for Tripticon

that we just didn't know about. We had no idea.

They didn't include these in the box art. They

didn't include them in the instruction sheets.

Let's face it, none of us knew what was going

on in Japan at the time. Unless you're like Japanese

in which case, you know Yes, anyway, so suffice

to say though. This is a really cool toy and

And it could be that much cooler if we had known

at the time Yeah, I For me out of okay, like

I don't count I'm actually going left to right

on these catalog images and I will put both of

the catalog images for 86 the Autobots and the

Decepticons in the post so people can see the

image I'm going left to right but as far as the

team bots as far as the toys go I only ever wanted

Devastator I never wanted like I wanted the aerial

bots and all the other teams for their individual

transformer robot modes. I didn't want them to

build superion or computron or... Really? No,

I like the individual robots more as far as the

toys go. In the animation, I loved both. I love

the individual robots and I also love the combiners.

But as far as the toys go, the only two big robots

I ever really wanted as a kid was Devastator

and Omega Supreme. Hmm. Okay, basically so I

can reenact You know the the secret of a mega

supreme Okay, see now for me I I Well Devastator's

an 85 toy and I got the toy in 85. It was one

of the few transformers. I got that year I got

the gift set so that was exciting, but I was

so excited about combiners Yeah, that you know

when I found out there were more combine is coming

out the next year. I completely lost it Yeah,

see I you know for me. I loved it in the in the

cartoon right the toys for me like I think that's

great that they put out more and that's all well

and good But as I said as I just said not to

keep repeating myself. I just preferred the the

individual Transformers to the combined modes

other than Devastator Now moving left to right

we're going to talk about the three Autobot car

seekers I guess you could say Which is blur hot

rod and cup I Think the only I've never had a

g1 blur never okay. I had I had hot rod and cup

Okay See now right about here is where transformers

started You know losing it for me because oh

Well, honestly here in 1984 1985 all the cars

were cars That you would normally You know see

on the street and play with I mean it goes back

to the diaclone days I mean granted these aren't

cars that you'd see in 84 they're more like cars

you'd see in 78, right? Yeah, but they were cars

and now we've got this thing that looks like

it might be a surfboard Might not be you know

a cup is he a pickup? I Don't know he's El Camino

He's that I don't know what the hell he is I

mean from the cartoon I I assume he's a pickup

truck, but from here it You know it doesn't look

like he's he doesn't look like he's anything.

I don't know what is that a sled Rosebud you

know I don't know But no hot rod is cool I mean,

he's got flames and tailpipes and yeah, he's

kind of cool, but he looks like, you know, a

futuristic Hot Wheel car. He doesn't look like

an Autobot for me. I mean, that's just the way

I saw it. I don't know. I had no interest in

these whatsoever. I mean, even as a little kid,

you could tell the transformations were so ridiculously

simple that it just wasn't. But see that's the

draw for me was the point though because you

had more complex stuff like Like an 85 you had

the insecticons you had the construct I mean

the construct icons are kind of simple but obviously

having to put together Devastator that might

have been a little hard for some kids in 85 But

I mean that's kind of the point of the 86 line

where you have these not Micro cars like bumblebee

like that was my biggest issue with trans with

g1 back in the day as a kid Bumblebee was the

size of my index finger You know what I mean,

yeah, um, they are small but yeah, it's bumblebee

You know the most let's not talk about the minibot

so much But the regular the regular cars. I mean

if you've ever played with like a ratchet Yeah,

you know that takes a little bit of imagination,

you know But any of the other cars You really

have to Really have to know what you're doing

to a certain extent. Yeah, some of these aren't

easy to do. Oh, yeah Next in the line to the

right of the image is The bird dinosaur Shitting

ship out of my shuttle shit Skylines. He's shitting

guns. Shitting guns out of his ship. He lands,

he shits out the guns, he flies away. Yeah, and

he says have a revolution my friends Take down

the government. So this is a terrorist shuttle.

That's what he is. I don't even know where this

came from. I mean, I'm assuming some guy at,

you know, Hasbro said wouldn't it be cool? if

we had a space shuttle that turned into a pterodactyl

yeah and what what is his other mode like i i

never understood his his quote unquote beast

mode his where it's not the shuttle part well

see that's the weird thing is you've got a shuttle

and then he's kind of got that it's it's uh um

Like a lion or no, well the thing underneath

it in vehicle mode is supposed I don't know if

that's supposed to be like his rocket boosters

or if that's supposed to be like a shuttle crawler

Because I don't think it has actual wheels But

the first thing I went to is the It's when the

legs come out that isn't that it yeah It's like

there's a pterodactyl and then he turns into

a pterodactyl sitting on top of a cat Yeah, and

then it becomes a pterodactyl and a cat and I

don't know it's neat because I Want to say he

actually walks he's motorized so the so the the

the cat part will actually walk Yeah, so that's

kind of cool but the Yeah, the just alt of the

matter for lack of a better term, you know, I

just don't like it You know, it would be cool.

You've got an awful lot of space here on this

toy. I mean, you could have done something neat

like an opening bay door or a little space shuttle

or not space, but like a little satellite inside

the space shuttle or something would have been

neat. But, you know, this is it's all of three

colors. You know, it looks to me like it's cheap

plastic. Even when I was little, I was like,

this is cheap plastic. You know, I... It's actually

four colors, red, blue, yellow, and white. Red,

blue, yellow... Oh, oh! Is it because of the

yellow part of his visor on the shuttle in the

windows? No, that's a sticker. Well, it's still

a color, though. Dude, it's, you know, three

colors of plastic, and the rest is a sticker.

Okay. If your face is a sticker, it doesn't count.

Hey, leave TFA Motor Master alone! So yeah, there's

that but no I I had no interest in getting this

toy I bought him Well, like a couple years ago

on eBay because I got a good deal on one mitten

box Yeah, but that was the only reason I got

one that was about the same year that The Japanese

reissue came out and everyone was buying those

up Mm -hmm, and I'm thinking why you paying 70

bucks for this thing when you can get a real

one in a box for like 50 Yeah It was shocking.

Again, didn't see the draw. Yeah. Next to him

is two that I can't even make out. The helicopter

and the car there. Above the Protectobots. Deluxe

vehicles. Yeah. Whirl and Roadbuster. Oh, Whirl

and Roadbuster. Okay. Those are kind of cool.

See, the cool thing about the Whirl and the Roadbuster

is that they came from a Japanese series called,

I'm going to mispronounce this, but Most Pieda.

MOSPAEDA It's a really cool series But this particular

car, you know has a driver in this other series

and here he does That's why there's a little

driver's seat Yeah, and there's all these driver

-sized guns on him and he comes with all these

he comes with a lot of accessories like more

accessories than most transformer toys come with

And and a lot of little ones that are very easy

to get lost There's probably a a bunch of them

floating around in toy boxes from the eighties.

Yeah. And also on the secondary market, you know,

if you're buying one on eBay, it's hard to find

one complete. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because he's got

like he's got this gun that you can put little

missiles in. Yeah, I don't think it actually

shoots. But but then the missiles get lost and

the gun usually gets lost or broken. But he's

also got a little antenna that sits just in the

behind the the uh... the the driver's seat and

that's always getting broken uh... but this is

a really cool thing. Yeah a lot of the G1 stuff

broke a lot of times which is kind of sad yeah

well yeah oh yeah it's fragile stuff but uh...

especially with the cars because the the the

hoods were attached to the to the head yeah the

head would bust off or the hood would bust off

and you know they're fragile but this one It's

not a fragile toy, there's metal parts to it,

but he's got a very complex transformation. When

we were talking about toys that were hard to

transform, this guy, if you know how to do it,

it's awesome. If you don't, you're gonna be like,

ugh. And to a certain extent, Jetfire's like

that, too. Where, you know, if you play with

it, you might get it, but, you know, he's complex.

He's not meant for really little kids like the

Minibots that were. and and whirl I like world

as a blue helicopter again didn't have a helicopter

really wanted one and whirl was kind of neat

I couldn't get over the fact that he's on skis

his robot like like you just said you like the

helicopter yeah and see this is the thing like

sometimes and this goes for any transformer it

doesn't matter what it is sometimes I'm really

drawn to the robot mode And I could, you know,

I like the vehicle mode, but I just, you know,

at the same time, I would rather have them in

robot mode. And there are other times where I

prefer the vehicle mode over the robot mode and

I would rather have them in vehicle mode. And

Whirl is probably one of those where I would

want him for the fact that he's a helicopter

and I could care less about the robot mode, him

being on skis. Right. Well, the vehicle mode

is a little light. I mean, no, the vehicle mode

is cool. He looks, to me, Want to say like air

wolf or something? But well my memory of air

wolf is a little lacking, but no I thought he

was looking at him close up if he was painted

all black I could kind of see the air wolf bit

yeah, yeah, but the robot mode. It's it's fragile

His legs are like two long sticks that ended

in skis his arms. There's no articulation there

at all his shoulders are really loose and floppy

it's hard you can't really pose him and as he

doesn't have hands so his guns just kind of mount

on his wrists yeah you know and the guns honestly

look cooler hanging off of his wings or the gun

pods I should say in in helicopter mode yeah

yeah but no he's he's cool and the only other

thing I think about these guys besides the fact

that they're really neat toys uh... is that they

have the clear stickers like that like the deluxe

insecticons uh... which lot of them did not make

it to this day We have also two combiners that

we're going to talk about before we move back

to the left of the next line of the picture here.

We've got the aerial bots who form Superion,

and we have the protective bots who form Defensor.

The aerial bots, I always loved these guys. I

believe the only aerial bot toy I ever had was

Silverbolt because at the time, Silverbolt was

a shell former back in the day. Was the only

one my mom can find I could net we never found

air raids skydive fire flight or slingshot so

I never actually got to Combine and form superior

on but I always just loved silverbolt. I don't

know why I just always have was it from the cartoon

Probably, but I always loved the toy as well

because again like I never had like Here's the

way my childhood went. I had so many transformers,

but I had way more he -man figures my mom to

this day says that She got me an optimus prime.

I don't remember having g1 optimus if I did He

was very heavily played with and probably ended

up having to go in the trash because he broke

so many times I remember having a power. I remember

having power master optimus prime, but I don't

remember having the g1 84 optimists as a kid

so my transformers I had I think I had laserbeak

but I didn't have soundwave I had I had a G1

Megatron which on Twitter is like you've never

transformed a G1 Megatron bitch yes I have I

still have to dig my own closet and play with

it I haven't done that yet So no, I had Silverbolt,

I had Blitzwing, I had Astrotrain. Astrotrain

was probably my favorite out of all the ones

I had. Probably because he was purple, and purple

and black are my favorite colors. But anyway,

no, Silverbolt just really spoke to me. I love

the toy, and I love the figure, and I love the

character in the animation as well. What about

you on the Aerobots? I didn't have any of them

as a kid. I you know, I wanted all the combiners

because I was Freaky for combiners, but You know

late again later on when I actually picked them

up. This is kind of the weakest of the combiners

The problem is that his legs are really spindly.

Yeah, and He does not stand up very well It almost

makes me wish that that they had put a little

more kibble on silver bolt To make those legs

more substantial Right, but you know, he's very

quick to fall over. Yeah, but Again, he makes

a very cool toy. Oh, yes. It makes a very cool

toy and you see a lot of Superion knockoffs You

see a lot of superior on knockoffs and you see

a lot of superior on add -on Accessories as well.

I don't I think the add -on accessories are more

so for the knockoffs I don't remember if they're

actually for the g1 superior on but I've seen

a few Where they've done superior on add -on

set where it's superior on g1 accurate head or

something or other like g1 cartoon accurate head

But yeah, I mean there's a you know third -party

company called crazy devy Yeah, that does Yeah,

they do attachment kits so though they'll have

like a new head for superior on that'll light

up Yeah, or the lie in the turn his head back

and forth or they'll have Elbow joints for these

guys because you know, their arms are really

stubby Yeah, there are in some cases their legs.

I mean superior has got longer legs, but they're

flimsy. Yeah Uh, but you know, their arms are

really stubby. They look like their arms end

in their elbows. But Crazy Devi will make an

attachment that will give them forearms. Yeah.

Things like that. It's neat. Um, you know, is

it necessary? Not if you're, you know, purist,

right? Uh, is it expensive? Yes. You know, you're

gonna pay 20 bucks for a forearm. Yeah. Yeah,

I don't think I need a forearm that badly. Yeah,

they'll have different feet or different knees

or you know It's like I don't really think I

needed that badly. Yeah, but I really liked a

defense or You know made up of the protector

bots Streetwise groove first -aid blades and

hotspot I never had this, so this is gonna be

all you. I remember them from the cartoon and

I remember loving them from the cartoon, but

I never actually had the toy. I did not have

the toy as a kid either, but I eventually got

it. You have it now. I have most of these, yeah.

You know, the funny thing, again, about getting

these guys in the aftermarket is that if you

look at Hotspot, how much detail he has... on

his chest and his torso. That's all stickers.

You know, he's got all these lights and what

is that, the caution tape or emergency tape or

whatever. Those are all stickers. And for the

longest time, could not find a hotspot with stickers.

It took me years to track one down. And I finally

got one and I was so happy because my Defensor

finally looked decent. But I mean you've got

a Motorcycle here. You had a helicopter. I mean

stuff that you don't normally see in the Autobot

lineup. Oh, yeah Well see by then they were you

know at least as far as the cartoon goes they

were expanding to different vehicles because

you know after More than meets the eye three

-parters like hey the first episode the Autobots

can fly let's shoot them down And then they can't

fly again, and then they Went on as the series

is the cartoon here in the US went on they eventually,

you know had helicopter bots and jet bots and

Power glide and all that stuff. So I mean that

was the whole point of getting the superion in

there Yeah, because you know not just to have

a combiner to go toe -to -toe with Metasaur but

also you'd have flying Autobots flying Autobots.

Yeah besides Sky links because he's annoying

as hell. Yes So going over all the way back over

to the second down here on the left. We have

the Autobot Air Guardian jetfire Now this was

originally a Macross jet. I believe wasn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. Well this guy I want to say he came

out in 85 Yeah, yeah, he was an 85 toy the Deluxe

are 85 toys Dinobots are 85 toys Yeah, there

there are some on the 86 catalog where the 85

toys carried over So we will be talking about

them because they are on these images But I mean

we don't have to spend a lot of time on Jetfire

unless you absolutely want to spend a lot of

time on him so I mean I mean Yeah, the big the

coolest thing about Jetfire is the fact that

you know he was a Maycross toy. Yeah, and You

know, it's like if you're a Transformers fan

only then this is the only you know This is the

only Maycross toy you're gonna be familiar with

But if you are a Maycross fan, which you know,

I'm not so much I follow the toys, you know,

see what they got But if you go to like big bag

toy store and you look at their Maycross toys

They have it's not just one plane they've got

a whole line of planes and these are like the

older ones and the newer ones are sleeker and

prettier and have more articulation and bombs,

like huge attachment, wing attachments for just

bombs and bombs and bombs and more guns. It's

ridiculous what some of these toys look like.

Yeah. And they're expensive. Yeah, they are.

I always liked Jetfire in the cartoon, but I

never had any attachment to his toy. Well, I'll

see you in the cartoon. It was sky fire Because

they couldn't get the I want to say Bandai holds

the rights to these and they couldn't get the

Rights to use jet fire in a cartoon, right? Right

as a toy sure in a cartoon. No, no because they

were already doing their own cartoons in Japan

Yep. Now moving down the line here These are

ones I had and I absolutely love now When I was

a child, I had a best friend named Jonathan Bond.

And yes, that was his real last name. And we

were big into Transformers, just like anybody

else. I had Blaster and his cassettes and he

had Soundwave and his cassettes. Nice. As a kid,

I always wanted his Soundwave. He would never

let me play with his Soundwave. Now, I absolutely

love Blaster and I love his cassettes. I had

all four of them. They were... I think I had

Laserbeak here. I had Laserbeak and Buzzsaw.

I never had Ravage, Rumble, Frenzy or Ratbat.

Now... I'm only talking about the main, like

I know Slugfest and all the other cassettes that

they came out with. I know all of those, but

I mean, let's be honest. For me, as someone who

loves show accuracy and stuff that appears in

the cartoon that they make toys out of or vice

versa, those are the main ones that I'm gonna

be drawn to. I loved Eject and Rewind. I loved

Ram Horn and Steel John. Now, I found out that

I don't know people might you know proto man

or somebody might have to correct me or you might

have to correct me Steel John Ram horn I had

gold weapons with them and then I've seen other

people with silver weapons with them so Right,

which market had the golden because I don't remember

I could have sworn somebody told me that the

gold ones were a Japanese market or something

like I don't remember No, I think they were just

reissued. Okay. Yeah, cuz like originally the

Decepticon cassettes came with silver weapons,

but and I want to I don't know if it was 86 or

if it was 85 But at some point they started being

released with gold weapons, right? Yeah Yeah

What about you on on? Eject ram horn steal Joe

and rewind, you know, I never liked eject and

rewind Oh Well, yeah, cuz to me, I mean Rumble

and frenzy were the shit, right? Right and these

guys were kind of like one frenzy is red whatever

But when it come down to it's to me these guys

were like cheap knockoffs of Rumble and frenzy

and It's like all these guys are crap, you know

I don't want these two and they were both the

same and how dare they both be the same because

they're not Rumble and frenzy Yeah, I just Didn't

didn't like these particular characters now Ram

horn And steel jaw. I thought were cool to a

certain extent, you know, but steel jaw was always

my favorite because I mean he's He's a winged

lion. I mean, what's that cool about that? Yeah,

he's awesome now in the show Well, I should say

in the movie first and then in the show when

the cassettes appeared later eject gets a bad

rap because eject had one scene where he shot

at ravage in the movie and He never talked rewind

eventually in season 3 became like the Autobot

historian and and and Remembering everything

from the past. So I liked that aspect of it with

a name like rewind, right? Yeah I don't know

Now we do have to talk about some of these little

mini vehicles here. We're not going to talk about

Bumblebee or any kind of thing like that because...

None of those 84 characters. Yeah. Cosmos, Warpath,

Wheelie... Sea Spray. Sea Spray. Powerglide.

Powerglide was 85. Yeah, some of these are 85.

Yeah, they kind of mixed them all up. Well, to

be fair, Cosmos, Warpath... Power glide see spray.

Those are all 85 the new ones The new ones were

like Outback tailgate. Yeah, I think I think

pipes was a new one this year. Yeah, I mean they

were all repaints right, so you so you've got

Tailgate who's a gears repaint What's his name

swerve pipes Now, Swerve is the white, uh, Cliffjumper

repaint. Yeah. And, oh, who else? Outback was

the bronze repaint. I liked him, because he came

with a gun. Yeah, Outback was cool. Yeah, I thought

that was really neat. Uh, no, I think the rest

of these are all 85. Is Wheelie 85? Wheelie was

86, because he was in the movie. Wheelie first

appeared in the movie. Yeah, but Wheelie sucks

ass. Well, yeah, but it - Still I mean he doesn't

he doesn't just suck ass as a character. He sucks

ass as a toy He's a really crappy toy, but he

was still the 80s he was still he still came

on 86 because It wouldn't make any sense for

them to put him out in 85 because the movie wasn't

released yet I suppose now the the one guy who?

Is kind of weird here as far as new guys for

86 is pipes Now he's a he's a huffer repaint,

but he transforms differently Yeah, his head's

in the wrong spot. He's got his head on backwards.

He kind of does. Instead of the cab of the semi

-truck pulling back and having the head inside,

like Huffer, the whole thing kind of flips over

and becomes a backpack. To me, I thought that,

well, when I was little, let's say, I thought

that was a better transformation. Right and Elise's

arms face up properly. They don't face down like

Huffers Or maybe I'm getting that backwards,

but yeah, I thought that pipes was a better toy

Yeah pipes looks really cool. I was gonna say

I never liked Huffer Huffer in It's not so much

that I didn't like his toy. I never liked his

character in the cartoon because he was always

He was kind of like gears, but he wasn't as as

angry as gears. He was just mainly the whiny

complaining Autobot I never really liked him.

So moving on to oh wait, I was gonna say I'm

actually looking at the toys now I got I'm looking

in my it's kind of neat because my 1985 86 toy

line shelf is at eye level so I can just kind

of stand here and I'm sweet but yeah Huffer his

arms actually point down and Pipes his arms point

up so that he can you know, then he doesn't actually

have hands. He's got pipes for hands, right?

Yeah, hence the name Anyway, yeah, so thought

that was cool. I always preferred pipes. That's

just me now Triple changes we're about hold on.

Okay. Oh, I forgot you hate this particular one.

Wait, which one? You know the one which one Springer

oh No, no, no, we're not even over back to the

left yet. No, we're not talking about they're

not yet. Not yet. So now we go to the point of

the fact that Why do you Autobots die so easily?

And the fact that you know Arise Rodimus Prime

Optimus We gotta talk about Phalamus Prime. Oh

shut up. Why am I not as good as Optimus Prime?

Okay, but shut up Okay, that was season three.

Okay in the movie for as Quickest scene is Rodimus

himself had because, I mean, yes, yes, Hot Rod

and Rodimus are the same person, but... Let's

talk about Rodimus's key achievements here. Number

one, he was Daniel's bitch. Number two, he got

Optimus Prime killed. Number three, I want to

say he got... I want to say he got Ultra Magnus

killed too, temporarily. No, you can't blame

that on him. I totally blame him for that. No,

you cannot, okay, you cannot blame Galvatron,

you cannot blame Rodimus for Galvatron making

Ultra Magnus go boom because at the time Rodimus,

Hot Rod and Cup were crash landed on Quintessa

and, you know, he had to saw his way away from

a squid. You cannot, you cannot blame the...

Quote -unquote supposed death of ultra Magnus

on on hot rod. Yeah. Okay. There's a very tangled

web of blame here. You see All right. Anyway,

so the toy yeah Oh, this is a craft toy. I love

this toy Really? Okay. So we're talking we're

talking about a prime now the previous prime

Now we're just talking about the toy. Okay in

84 the previous prime toy the trailer came off

opened up and there was a base yeah with you

know there was like a robot and there was room

for other cars to pull up into it and you know

there was a place to put your gun and it was

it was a very good add -on there's a lot of value

there now to be to be fair optimus is trailer

was much longer than Rodimus's Winnebago. Winnebago.

How are they thinking? It's literally a Winnebago.

I know, but still, I still like it for what it

is. The only thing that I don't really like is

that Rodimus is extremely tall. Oh, you know,

I like the fact that they differentiate him.

from hot rod right i mean he's taller and he's

yeah i like that uh he's not as uh pink fuchsia

might be the word right yeah i mean i i i dig

that um i like it that his face is different

and his the crest on his back is larger yeah

yeah i at the time i hadn't seen the movie i

didn't know hot rod turned into rhonomous prime

It didn't I mean even the name didn't make any

sense. I had assumed at the time I was little

Mm -hmm that this was like his big brother It

was like a big brother and he was a different

prime because they're not gonna kill out of his

prime But yeah, that's that's just oh my god,

no Yeah, but they did Yeah, damn it bastards

Anyway, so what you end up with is hot rod who

is you know a little more than bumblebee, you

know at the time Ending up becoming the leader

somehow or another and you know cuz he's Judd

Nelson. That's why Judd Nelson Judd Nelson became

the leader of the Autobots And then they gave

him this really crappy trailer With this with

this giant -ass gun that he can barely stand

in front of I mean it would have been cool if

it would have moved Maybe in with the gun had

been pushed you could push it toward the center

of the trailer a little bit So there'd be room

on there for Rodimus to stand. Yeah, but it's

just yeah It's just really hard to play with

this toy. No, I will say as far as the stand

-up ability of this toy Yes, you are correct

as far as being able to hold the gun. However

As much as it has a lot of issues with it, Takara

put out MP09, which is a larger scale version

of Rodimus and Hot Rod together. Now this is

a masterpiece version. This is not the cheap

plastic version that came out in 86. Right. Two

colors of cheap plastic. that with no articulation

whatsoever talking about a masterpiece version

out of japan with like fifty points of articulation

who actually transforms into two separate robot

modes and two separate vehicle modes and he also

has the base and i believe he can stand inside

the trailer holding the gun i think so i'm gonna

have to go back and watch a video review of it

to see but it's kinda hard to compare a masterpiece

figure to The the I don't want to say cheap piece

of crap that came out in 86, but god. This was

a horrible toy I love this toy regret. Oh my

god. This is a horrible toy. No, this toy is

horrible I love the toy so shut up moving moving

on to the microscope We have perceptor. Um Yeah,

I I don't know I never, I remember having Perceptor,

but I never really cared for Perceptor at all,

really, the toy, I just didn't... The question

that comes, why does he have tank treads? So

he can be a roving microscope. So he can roll

in microscope mode? Yep. That makes no sense.

Does Soundwave have tank treads? No. Does Blaster

have tank treads so he can roll around in blaster

mode? It just didn't make any sense to me in

Japan again undocumented feature. He has a tank

mode Yeah, but they didn't put that in the instructions.

So it like made no sense whatsoever. Why would

you? You know, I guess I assumed American kids

would be smart enough to make a tank out of him

It's a crappy tank, but you know, yeah, it could

be construed as a tank But the cool thing about

this guy is that he was an actual working microscope.

Yep, you could look down The the the cylinder

there and it would magnify things a little a

very tiny bit But yes, you know, it was actually

a working working microscope That was neat. Yeah

So do you talk TV because this next guy talks

TV? I try gar I love the character in the in

the movie But this toy is fugly. Oh guys, it's

a snugly toy No, I mean so he looks like he's

got a CRT picture tube on it for a head, you

know, it's really bad so bad, but hey, it's a

motorcycle and At the time they really ever liked

motorcycle transformers. Oh, I love motorcycle

transfer there, you know, honestly They're hard

to do. They're so hard to do that. You don't

see them very often And this was our first attempt

and it was awful. I Mean it was it's like Does

it look like a motorcycle? Well, it kind of looks

like a robot folded in half with a tire sticking

out of its front. I don't want to say sticking

out of his ass because it's in the front, but

you know, you get the picture. Yeah. It's, you

know, again, not a very good motorcycle mode.

Did it look cool on film? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

mean, when you see 50 of them, you know, crashing

and reconfiguring and writing each other in the

movie, it's awesome. You want to go out and buy

an army of them. I did I wanted like ten of them.

I never got one, you know, but I wanted ten.

Yeah, it's It's not hard to knock them down.

It's gonna stay down. That's the trick everywhere

Everywhere. Well the cool thing about him Yeah,

let me think about what's cool the cool thing

about Cool about the toy. No, well the one cool

thing about the toy is that he has articulated

shoulders articulated arms and his wrists turn.

So, I mean, he's got more articulation than 80

% of the rest of the toys in this toy line already.

And his chest is chrome. Yeah. Well, the engine

block is chrome. Right. So that's kind of it.

I want to say he's got articulation in the knees,

too. And then he may bend a little bit of the

hips. But again, he's got like modern toy articulation.

And this is coming from a series where you've

got Whirl who's got four points of articulation.

Or any of the combiner limbs which have no articulation.

Well, I shouldn't say that. The articulation

they afford is their arms come up. So maybe two

points of articulation. Three if you include

the head. He has the built -in ability to look

down. You know, that's it. That's all they got.

So no, this was pretty amazing at the time. I

don't know where this guy, you know, I don't

want to say he came from like a Bandai or whatever.

He may have, you know, he may have come directly

out of Hasbro, but it's hard. It would be hard

to believe if he did. Yeah. Now, just like Sky

links because sky links is a motorized actual

walking toy because I did see a video review

of somebody Showing it that he does walk on his

own. Yeah Omega supreme also walks he does. Yeah

Omega supreme is awesome not on carpet though.

No Well, the cool thing about Omega supreme is

that he's a train set Yeah For all for lack of

a better term. I mean he becomes he's good He's

a tank but he's a tank that follows a little

train track around in a circle and I did have

this one as a kid and the coolest thing in the

world for me was just to put down the track and

And make him go around and it's cool because

while the tank goes around The thing is the tank

turret spins and it lights up It kind of bobs

up and down and spin it is it is a really neat

thing to play with It's really cool. It's another

one of those that has the the clear plastic I

want to say clear plastic or clear clear decals

Yeah, yeah, so I mean it's not like the the decals

that the rest of the toys come with the problems

with Omega Supreme though if You lose one piece

you're fucked Well, the legs clasp together with

these yellow binders right right and if you lose

one of the front binders You know the legs won't

hold together There are two in the back and if

you lost one of them, you'd be okay if you lost

both of them. You're in trouble There was four

and all I think if you lost two of them You'd

still be alright because you put one on each

leg, but the front ones if you lost some your

that was it Yeah. Yeah now the rest of the pieces

You know became the tracks. Yeah, that's what

I mean. If you lost one of those pieces Oh, yeah,

then they're fucked. Well, not necessarily I

mean if you just had the wings you could put

that and make it a perfect circle and you could

just watch your tank go around the circle forever,

which granted wouldn't be as much fun, but you

could do it and You know, he's got a little base

mode I want to say base mode, but the tank goes

around the track in the center of the track.

You you've got the rocket ship and the backpack,

which becomes kind of the rocket scaffolding

or whatever. Right. Yeah. So he's a really cool

toy. Not terribly cool to play with in robot

mode, again, because he's a brick. His shoulders

rotate and to a certain extent, his elbows will

rotate or not rotate, but his elbows will bend.

Right. You know, there's not a whole lot of articulation

there, but he walks His feet actually move on

their own and it's like well, that's the coolest

thing I've ever seen Unless you're on the carpet

in which case it's not the coolest thing you've

ever seen He's kind of he's kind of trying to

a moonwalk there and not really getting anywhere

with it. Yeah No, you're right. Um, and it's

big. He's a big toy. Yeah, I was so awesome Yeah,

I mean, I mean this is essentially Instead of

putting five robots into one to have a combiner.

This is just one character. That's his own Combiner

that combines into himself You know in retrospect

what would have really been cool is if he had

had like attachment ports Where you could plug

your combiners into him like you could with Metroplex

But again this guy came out in 85 not 86 so He

wasn't designed at the same time. In fact, I

think this is another one of those toys that

was licensed from another toy line. There's an

older version of this toy that's like black and

silver. Really cool to see. It's a really neat

toy. Yeah, very awesome. Now, moving down the

line, the only thing the 86 in G1 is missing

entirely, and I'm kind of glad that it was never

made, is RC. Because this next toy is a home

-wrecking son -of -a -bitch, interrupting, cock

-blocking motherfucker. Cock -blocking. Now,

later on you're gonna find out that Hot Rod and

R .C. were brother and sister. And that it was

perfectly okay to cock -block. No, no, no, no,

no, no. Like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker and

Luke Skywalker's like... No, no, no, no, no,

no, no. Yeah, Skywalker's like, I'm getting me

some of that and that's your sister, dude! Like,

I knew of, obviously from seeing the movie, I

knew of Astro Train, I knew of Blitzwing, I knew

of those triple changers. Even watching TFTM,

it did not occur to me at the time that Springer

was a triple changer, because when I saw the

scene where one of the junkieons backed him into

a corner and he transforms into this assault...

car -looking vehicle thing and he transforms

again and pulls his you know it's caliber out

of his back uh... i've never lights up i love

neil ross's voice of springer i love that part

of it but the character springer himself i've

never liked the problem i had the springer as

a toy that's what's character right as a toy

i had was that you know he turns into a car and

then You take the gun off the top and you put

a propeller and he's a helicopter! Yeah. Oh,

that was awful. I mean, this is such a craft

transformation. This is not a triple changer

in the sense of the word. If you look at the

original triple changers, you know, Astro Train,

he's a train. Yeah, he's a shuttle. You know,

it's not he's a train with a propeller on top.

It's not a propeller train, you know, it's here.

It's like oh look. It's a car. It's not a car

I don't know what the hell that is That's not

a car that looks like it looks like a helicopter

with wheels. Yeah. Yeah, it's and then oh look

It's a helicopter with a propeller Yeah, and

yeah, they mean it's like that. There's not it's

not a whole lot of thought here and the toy itself

in Robot mode sucks Well, most of them the good

ones have a metal chest so, you know, we'll give

him that he's got diecast metal on him. Yeah

But he's got a lot of stickers on him and those

stickers, you know sadly Well number one they

suck. Yes, they're not The detail they provide

is kind of crappy to be honest. I've seen knockoffs

with nice stickers It's like wow, that's cool

looking, you know, the the transformers stickers

for this toy was awful and uh this the propeller

when it folds up into a sword worst sword ever

because the whole thing just wants to kind of

limp over you know so it's like look he's where

he's got a sword and now it's gonna you yeah

it's really sad it's like meet bob you know yeah

bob needs a little pick me up today Yeah, spring

spring needs a little spring in his step. There's

a little these little pup in this step. Yeah,

but no he's just a craft toy now I I Like the

other two to a certain side sandstorm. Yeah to

a certain extent I like broadside, you know because

he kind of looks like a jet it's the worst jet

ever right, but he kind of looks like a jet and

he kind of looks like An aircraft carrier. An

aircraft carrier. Now for me, aircraft carrier,

that's cool. He looks like an aircraft carrier.

Too bad he wasn't seven feet long and you can

put a bunch of GI Joes on him. Exactly. We should

have had the USS flag broadside. That would have

been neat. And you know, to be honest, if they

would have done that, it would have been awful.

It would have been terrible. But no, I mean,

literally this is, it's like, look, he's an aircraft

carrier. And then you turn them over and pull

the wings out and go, look, he's an airplane.

You know, if he's an upside down aircraft carrier,

he's an airplane. Yeah. It's, it's that bad.

And the sad thing is in robot mode, he's a brick.

he well let's face it g one's i mean outside

of like the mini -bots like cause most like bumblebee

like see spray like wheelie like power glide

let's be honest a lot of the ones that are boats

trains planes automobiles stuff like that they

are bricks they're going to be this is the way

the style was back then i mean you know it's

not like today where they could you know do thousands

of awesome that you know i was in a message was

for almost a year much as I don't really care

for third -party stuff nowadays fans project

did an amazing job with war defender with Bring

springer into the new toy world of having Awesome

stuff done with him. Yeah, I'll buy that but

I mean if you look at like retgar Yeah, or to

a lesser extent like Roadbuster, you know, these

are toys that are good sized toys with with lots

of detail and a decent amount of articulation

and broadside has none of that you look at broadside

you look at springer you look at broadside to

a certain extent you look at sandstorm all the

detail there are stickers yeah all the detail

stickers they don't have any articulation aside

from their shoulders yeah um you know in some

cases their weapons are cool i really dig the

axe for broadside that's kind of neat yeah um

You know, but I mean The the majority of the

play value is gonna be in your imagination. Sadly

pretty much. Yeah. Yeah Sandstorms neat. I mean

He's got two distinct modes. He has two very

distinct modes in his old forms Yeah, I mean

here you have a car that looks like a real car

It looks like a doom buggy, you know, and you

have a helicopter that looks like a real helicopter.

It doesn't look like a Car with a propeller on

it Yeah now sadly You know his robot mode suffers

for that because the robot mode looks like You

know looks like a car that you tipped over You

tipped over it looks like you took the car in

the helicopter and mashed them together Yeah,

and put a face on it exactly. This is probably

a sticker he He has even less articulation than

springer sadly. I mean it's like his arms don't

move his legs don't move but his elbows bend

so you can bend his elbows up just enough to

hold the gun yeah and it's like oh man it's just

a horrible robot it's just a horrible horrible

robot but his vehicle modes are really really

cool his vehicle modes are very cool it's a very

cool vehicle i i don't think like transformers

in general toys and and g1 animation We only

had a few Off -road type of vehicles the rest

of them are all car. You know jazz bumblebee

side swipe Suns you know those are all cars.

You know you had stuff like hound you had stuff

like beachcomber you had stuff like sandstorm

where It's not often that you see a dune buggy

transformer. That's gonna transform into a helicopter

and robot I mean, that's cool the robot mode

not so much Moving on to the false leader of

the Autobots the one that couldn't handle the

pressure I don't have time for this open damn

it open Is ultra Magnus now? I have a lot to

say about this because it makes me extremely

fucking mad why What do you have against ultra

Magnus? It's not anything like against ultra

Magnus. It's what has bro does to ultra Magnus

now. Oh Because he's not a white optimus prime

wheat front repaint? No, no, no, no. That's all

he fucking is. Because you know what? He is a

white optimus prime repaint. Right. I mean, you

look at vehicle mode here, what do you see on

the front of the vehicle? It's a white optimus

prime. It's a white optimus prime. That's not

what the animation had as far as, you know, again,

I'm gonna have to go back and look. I think the

animation had the dye clone colors, didn't they?

I may, I, you know, I... That's my biggest problem

with ultra Magnus is that nowadays Hasbro all

as they want to do is oh He's a white optimus

prime and blah blah. That's it. You know forget

that powered armor Yeah, I mean and and and even

looking at Even looking at his giant brick ish

Robot mode here at least he has the blue head

You know a silver face or the blue head the blue

head And the silver fin... I mean, it's not a

white Optimus Prime head. Oh, yeah, no. I mean,

they could have went with something like Power

Master Prime, where you have this giant Optimus

Prime head that just sits on top of it. Right,

yes. But the neat thing about Ultra Magnus is

his diaclone roots. I mean, originally, there

were a lot of these. Yeah. They were all... I

don't want to say they were all commanders, but

there was a bunch of trucks. and they came in

red and blue and white and they had a black i

think there's a black one there may have been

but they had trailers and the trailer was just

powered armor so the robot mode the combined

mode we'll call it that was not you know a character

by itself but it was the the semi truck was the

character and he just nestled himself down into

the armor right i mean that and that's basically

what we're seeing nowadays is Ultra Magnus out

of the armor. He's just a white prime repaint.

He's a little prime Yeah, I don't like that.

Yeah, but no it was it was a nice concept. I

don't know how well executed it was You know

He doesn't have a lot of articulation, you know,

he I think he you know his shoulders rotate and

he I think is a elbows rotate and His fists are

separate pieces. So those kind of rotate but

they also pop off But aside from that he doesn't

really move But as we've seen with a lot of these

other figures they don't move much either Right.

Yeah, so it's hard to fault him. The only difference

here is this is a big toy. Oh, yeah, it's huge

not huge like an Omega Supreme or huge like a

Metroplex, but you know compared to the rest

of the cars. He's easily three times as big Right

exactly. Well, you can fit the the smaller cars

inside him as a car carrier. You know yeah originally

I never saw this as a car carrier. Well, right.

No, he's a mobile armored vehicle. He's supposed

to be like a missile drug or whatever else. I

just posted you links to images of him from the

actual cartoon. One is his TFTM appearance or

a Season 3 appearance. Oh my gosh. The other

one is the negaverse. The negaverse. We should

have got a repaint of that. Green and maroon,

ultra magnus. That's not even Diaclone colors.

Exactly, and I will make sure to put these links

in the in the show notes so people can see these

But no, I I just I don't like how Hasbro handles

ultra Magnus today where? Everything is just

a white Optimus Prime We need a we need a white

Optimus Prime and we need a black Optimus Prime

and that's why we have ultra Magnus and Scourge

That's true. That's true Lastly get those repaints

somehow. Yeah, lastly for the Autobots are 285

line pieces with blaster and the dinobots I can't

love those together Yeah, because the difference

here is blaster socks Blaster is awesome in his

own, right? All right. Well, we we have to clarify

here now the American blaster kind of socks No

okay alright well go ahead tell me why he doesn't

suck I I always liked blaster because I always

and this is something we never got in the US

cartoon we got it in headmasters but um in the

Japanese version of headmasters yeah uh you know

I always love the fact that soundwave and blaster

were each other's adversaries okay like you had

optimus and megatron you had nemesis you know

yeah you you know The evil nemesis. Yeah, some

sound wave is no dr. Duffin schmerz, but he's

you know But I just I always I think it was because

I blaster was the toy that I had and His cassettes

were the ones that I had as I said before Yeah,

you know, so that's why I like blaster. I always

thought he was he was kind of cool sure a lot

of his episodes suck, but I always thought the

the toy was cool because you had two very different

cassette decks. Blaster was boombox, Soundwave

was like an actual regular cassette deck. Yeah.

Like a what? Well, Soundwave was a Walkman. Yeah,

Soundwave was a Walkman. But you know, I, I,

number one, just didn't like the boombox mode.

It's... It's like that the chest piece kind of

comes out of the whole front and kind of kills

it for the boombox It doesn't look right and

then in robot mode Number one his his shoulders

are very loose Yeah, and he has no knees He's

got very little pose ability. Yeah, and you think

he'd have more yeah, I Will say that blaster

does suffer a lot simply because for his arms

and his shoulders there is a it's not giant but

there is a metal rod running through his chest

to attach the arms and shoulders, because I've

actually seen this, because I've seen it on the

toy, because I had the toy. You know, there's

that metal piece there, and that's kind of off

-putting, I will agree. But I just, I was always

attached to Blaster as a kid. Now, the Dinobots...

Well, no, I wanna talk about Blaster for a second.

Alright, go ahead. We're gonna flesh this out

here. On your toy, did the chest open? Yes, it

did. Okay, because that sometimes doesn't work.

Right, exactly. I don't know if it was a running

change or if it didn't open at first and then

eventually they fixed that and it did work but

a lot of them they don't open at all and you'd

think that would be one of the selling points

for this toy like Soundwave is that you can open

the chest and put a toy in there put a cassette

guy in there. Right. If I was going to get a

blaster today if I was gonna go out and buy a

blaster today Would get the it was a 2008 2009

San Diego comic -con version of blaster Because

I believe his chest the the SDCC version his

chest does open and he accommodates two cassettes

I think that one did I think I'm not sure I don't

remember off top my head. I don't wave one did

Yeah, the G1 blaster that I had, I was very lucky

in that I was probably the only kid in my entire,

out of all my friends, I was the only one that

had a blaster that his tape deck did open. So

you lucked out. Yeah, I searched really hard

to find one, and mine sticks. Yeah, yeah mine

did stick but it did open it did open But it

did stick but it's not like what you're saying

where some of them you buy that, you know You

go on eBay and you buy it thinking that it's

gonna open and then it's like it doesn't open

Like it's glued shut or something, you know,

yeah pretty much now the Japanese version just

to digress really quick It had no not twin cast

just just the regular blaster Oh, okay. Now the

Twincast was the blue repaint of Blaster. Right.

The regular, just regular old Blaster, number

one, had an actual radio. There was a micro -cassette

-shaped AM radio receiver that you could turn

on and off from the toy. So I think on his back

he had a switch. and you would put the cassette

in his chest and close it and then turn on the

AM radio from his back. There was also a headphone

set. It wasn't a headphone so much as it was

like a earbud. And the wire would come out of

the side of the toy, and you can still see it

in the US version, the hole's still there I believe,

but the wire would come out. and then snake around,

down his arm, and you'd wrap it around his gun.

Now the gun is made in such a way where there's

a big circle in the middle of it. And in the

American version, you're like, what the hell

is this giant circle here for? Because you can

stick your finger through it. It's pretty big.

It doesn't look like a gun. But in Japan, the

earbud plugged into that circle. So he would

literally hold onto his own speaker. Well, it

was too big to put in your ear, granted, but

it looked like nowadays we call it an earbud.

But it was a little speaker that fit into his

gun. So you could put the AM receiver in his

chest, turn on the toy from behind, and his gun

would play music. Right. I mean, that's awesome.

And somehow, yeah, somehow that got lost in the

translation to the US version. But. You know

my opinion of blaster would have been a hundred

and eighty degrees in the opposite direction

if he had retained that feature I Don't like

twin cast. I Don't remember if twin casts had

like the double chest ability if that made it

different because the sound the sound wave repaint

Sound blaster sound blaster sound blaster had

the double chest double chest right and that's

what made him different. I don't know if a blaster

had a twin cast I should say had a double chest

I'm not entirely sure like his contemporary redeco

sound blaster his chest door was retooled in

order to accommodate two cassettes at once so

yes twin cast does have the dual ability I just

don't like the colors I don't mind the blue I

don't like the white and then the red you know

the white on his legs and the red speakers yeah

it's just not Not something. I really really

care about now. I believe if I search here because

I Love searching for stuff No, it never actually

happened That sucks what I was hoping that Because

when I searched for blaster originally on TF

wiki obviously I was looking for g1 But as you

type in their search bar for titles of characters,

it'll show Blaster G1, Blaster, Headmasters,

whatever. It showed Blaster animated. And I was

like, wait, Blaster never showed up in animated?

And it says here, some 800 stellar cycles ago,

Blaster put himself through Autobot boot camp.

He ended up in the same class as Hot Rod. Scram

and Quickslinger impressed with the volume of

his music. Drill Sergeant Cup assigned him the

name Blaster. He ended up in a high position

in the Autobot ranks and presumably gained some

measure of fame as he was well known enough to

have his face on the menu at McAdams Old Oil

House. And that's from the oil. That's from the

oil. That's from the Allspark too. Now, I would

have loved to have seen Blaster in Transformers

animated. I thought that would have been really

cool. As long as he didn't rhyme. Oh, God. Here

we go. For some reason, Wheely rhymes, and he's

universally shunned. Blaster rhymes, and it's

like, oh, he's awesome. I just don't see it.

The rhyming annoys me. I was going to say one

last thing here. Looking at the picture on the

Wiki for Twincast, He doesn't have a The the

speaker piece So I'm thinking maybe twin cast

did not include that feature Probably not because

I mean they they can't give us every single feature

So they probably swapped out the speaker piece

for the dual the double -holded cassette thing.

Oh No, yeah, I bought by that. Sure. Yeah, he's

got the same gun though. It just isn't It's like

well, this was reuses gun even though it's kind

of worth listen Well, I always liked blasters

gun because it was so unique even though I didn't

know about the the speaker piece I always just

yes granted There's you know the way I always

saw blasters gun is because there's a giant hole

in the middle and there's an open circle Yeah,

I thought the I know this is stupid. I thought

it was kind of like a full automatic machine

gun where the bullets would Multi fire and they

would all that they they would go around in the

circle and then come out the barrel Yeah, all

right sure so I mean it it's it's different and

Again, it may suffer for its difference because

that ring breaks. It's hard to find blaster guns.

Oh, yeah I searched for many years for one. Yeah

blaster guns are very you You'll be extremely

lucky if you can get one that is not warped.

Yeah, or broke. Yeah. No, they're they're hard

to find so finally for the Autobots now again

these can believe these count 85 but We switch

over to the Dino bots now. I always loved Grimlock

Slag swoop and snarl. Yeah, I never liked sludge

No, I see you sludge I like sludge a lot. I like

sludge and I like snarl. I thought the Grimlock

was a little too overdone. It's like, God, I

always see Grimlock. Yeah, you never see sludge.

You never see snarl. But those are two of my

favorites. My cousin had a slag and I thought

that was kind of cool, but he just didn't compare

to my snarl. Yeah. Now, one of the reasons why

I always like snarl and swoop was because like

every kid I knew loved the Tyrannosaurus Rex

and the Triceratops and the I Freak I always

thought sludge was a brontosaurus, but I know

that's not correct But I love the stegosaurus

and I love the tyrannodons so I always liked

swoop and snarl the best and I do like Grimlock

simply because it it's Grimlock I like him in

the animation more so in toy form obviously but

the only thing that really makes me mad about

the toys is again they're not specifically to

swoop he's not so accurate because he's red and

not blue he was blue in the movie not you know

Not red. I don't I don't understand why the toy

is red and I clone colors. Yeah, that's true.

They were all blue Yes, I'm pretty sure they

were all the red was blue and I clone Yeah, I'm

pretty sure and you know again that these guys

have really neat transformations Yeah, you look

at some of the other toys Well, I want to say

the smaller toy like the minibots or the combiner

limbs these guys are much better than go -bots.

Seriously, the transformations are very simple.

Literally, you stand up the vehicle and you pull

the arms out. Look, it's a robot. The Dinobots

have very complex transformations. They're very

satisfying. In most cases, they have ratcheting

limbs. So when you snap them into place, you

hear it. It makes a very nice thunk, thunk, thunk

noise. You know it's there. They came with a

lot of accessories. They all each had a sword

and a gun and a rocket launcher And the details

a lot of the details were molded into the You

know the plastic so it wasn't all stickers Yeah,

yeah. Yes. No, I mean these are just really really

nice figures. I There were a lot for a long time.

They were my favorites. I like these better than

the cars Yeah, and of course Grimlock has a masterpiece

figure. That's that's pretty awesome. Oh, yeah

Have you seen the the world's smallest transformer

versions of these? Yes, they're so cool Yeah,

there's a third party called just it toys that

makes those They're tiny versions of the Dinobots

and they're just very very neat. I've got a bunch

of them Yeah, they're basically if the Dinobots

were minicons Well, I can't even say that because

the The transformations are the exact same as

their 85 version. I mean these aren't You know,

these aren't just small, you know crappy plastic.

These are Miniaturized versions of the originals

with the same transformation the same weapons

the same accessories Yeah, I mean they're really

really neat They're worth checking out. And they're

relatively cheap. I mean, I think I got mine

for like 15 bucks each or something at BotCon.

I've always liked the Dinobots. As I said, I

don't know, I just didn't feel like a connection

to Sludge. But I've always liked them as a team

and them working together. You know, Burley and

Bologna, Cesium, Salami, all that stuff. Yeah,

yeah. Why boy hit my nose? You know, I just,

I always love the Dinobots because again, in

season one, when they premiered, you know, in

84 in the cartoon, it was something different.

It wasn't just... Cars and were you know cars

and trains and planes and guns and cassette decks

It was something new and something different

that they did and of course after that I would

eventually end up with You know zoo books and

all that stuff that that entailed, but there

you go. That's the 1986 Autobots And now we move

on to the Decepticons. Now we're going to streamline

this a bit. We're not going to talk about any

of the 85 toys that show up. No? No, we're going

to streamline it just a little bit. I mean, we

can spend a little bit of time. We're not going

to spend as much time as we did on the Autobots.

So first up, which I didn't think this came out

till 87, first up on the top left of the The

picture is the Predacons and Predaking Yeah,

this is a toy that I wanted really bad And you

know for obvious reasons, it's it's huge. I mean

I How should I put this? The other combiners

so what the ones that we're I was just complaining

about being a little more than go -bots, you

know, you've got your Stenacons and you know,

your aerial bots and such. It's like, oh, they're

small. When you look at the combined mode, you

think, man, that's got to be a big toy. But then

you find out that like Motor Master is smaller

than most of the regular sized cars. Right. So

it's like when they combine mode, they're actually

kind of small. It's like Minasaur is smaller

than Ultra Magnus as a toy. Right. Yeah. But

then. you get into the Predacons and Each one

of these guys is bigger than most of the cars.

Yeah and combined combined Predaking is I want

to say bigger than the Metroplex And I'm gonna

look yes, I think he is slightly bigger than

Metroplex I was gonna say I thought I had my

I thought I had my Predaking down here next to

Metroplex, but he's not The reason why Predaking

is a little bit bigger than Metroplex is all

of the outward appendages, like the wings, like

the little side thing that's like the little

gun side thing that's on the side of him. Well,

just in height. He's huge. He's really tall.

He's wide. I mean, he's all shoulders and hips.

He's still very square. He's almost as wide as

he is tall. But, you know, as far as, you know,

combiners go, he's got a lot of articulation.

You can move him at the shoulders, you can move

him at the hips to a certain extent. You know,

the wings move, the arm. Well, I'm trying to

remember if there's articulation at the elbows.

I don't think there is. Maybe the Wii is tiniest

bit, but no I mean he's uh He's still a brick,

but he's a big brick and You know if you're gonna

go for a combiner get this one first of all get

a Devastator because he's he's still the original

and the best right right, but but no this guy

He's really really big and you can almost forgive

him for being cheap plastic Like most of the

rest is 86 line but no, I mean the a Predaking

especially a Predaking with diecast metal parts

Is you know a rare and wonderful thing? Yes.

Yes it is Have you seen the the new reissue they

have oh? Yes Yeah, this guy the reissue is got

well I think they reissued a regular version,

but like the re reissue has a lot of gold stickers,

so I mean the stickers that they have now or

normally were replaced with I want to say like

really really gold so he's almost like uh he's

almost yellowish as opposed to silverish as far

as the stickers go but it's it's really really

cool looking and if I had an extra 200 bucks

to drop on one I would have gotten one and I

want to say the reissue was die cast yeah Well,

you know, since you're going to attend NotCon

2012 and denounce BotCon 2012, you could put

that money towards your Predaking. Something

like that, yeah. Crazy Devi also released parts

for Predaking. Yes. And it's hard to believe

because Predaking is pretty, pretty awesome.

But I think they released like a huge sword for

him. Yeah, they did. Or like a light up hat or

some other parts or bigger wings or bigger Bigger,

uh I want to say like give him like huge cannons

that go over his shoulders or something Yeah,

so some some neat parts, but even without You

know third party extra add -on bits It's hard

to go wrong with a Predaking. I mean, this is

Probably one of the more awesome figures you're

gonna get So the next one that we're gonna be

telling you about in the line is the combata

cons which were old military vehicles from the

1940s that Starscream repurposed into the Combaticons,

which they form Bruticus, right? Yep. I like

them in the cartoon. I never had the toys, so

I can't really speak about this. This one, I

don't know about you, but... No, I like the Combaticons

a lot. I like the Combaticons better than I like

the Stonicons. I particularly like Well, he's

got it a helicopter I Had a thing for helicopters.

I wanted a helicopter to land on my Metroplex.

It's like damn it I don't have a helicopter to

land on a helipad and you know, they've got a

space shuttle, which was awesome and a tank Yeah,

yeah, I mean if you didn't see a whole lot of

tanks either But well, I mean besides like warpath,

I mean the warpath and The onslaught was like

the first tank the Perceptons had Blitzwing is

kind of a crappy tank Blitzwing was cool. Shut

up. Well, you know, he's cool. But again, his

tank mode suffers for the triple changer But

no, I mean he's a tank and they all have extra

guns and yeah, I really like these guys individually

And the combined mode didn't hurt either. Mm

-hmm. Uh -huh not pay attention area So as we

talked about with the Autobots the Decepticons

also have their own city in Trypticon Yeah Which

in later continuities he would be turned into

a prison Trypticon I always thought was interesting,

you know, cuz number one. He's he's a giant Tyrannosaur,

which is kind of cool He's the Transformers version

of Godzilla Gojira Well, I mean he's kind of

like the counterparts of Metroplex right he is

yeah and His battle mode is kind of cool unlike

Metroplex You know, he's got like armored city

mode, but then he kind of turns into this very

symmetrical You know kind of city on a hill type

of thing. Yeah And honestly, if you see this

in real life, it's cool. It looks neat. Arguably,

it's cooler than Metroplex. Yeah. Arguably. And

then again, when you get Motor Master and Onslaught

in there turned into their base modes and kind

of parked off on the side, it becomes that much

more cooler. Now, what Tripticon does not have,

as far as I know, is ports that It would allow

you to plug the combiner limbs into like what

Metroplex has Yeah, I don't see any ports on

this. I don't think he has any It would be really

neat if he did But I don't think he does Yeah,

and he walks Yes, he walks as well. And that's

kind of neat. I mean, you know, he lights up

he walks I think he makes noises Yeah, he has

a voice track. Yeah, he lights up. Yep So, no,

it's a really cool toy. It really is. It is.

It's just so big. It's hard to find him with

all of his parts and electronics intact. Yeah,

it is. I guess not a lot of people bought it

back in the day. Well, yeah, exactly, unless

you're a guy out in Vegas that... Refuses to

sell his giant transformers collection for $20

,000 Because that guy had like multiple triptychons

pawn stars the thing about the pawn stars guys

is that he had Multiples of each figure, but

they weren't complete now. I can go out and get

just the body of a triptych on for probably,

you know, 20, 30 bucks. But if I wanted one that

had all of the stickers and that had electronics

that weren't all corroded and gross and actually

worked, the one that walked and lit up and had

all the parts, then that's a different story.

Right. Exactly. So moving on to which I never

knew this figure exists. Like I knew it existed

in the cartoon, but I never knew and they made

an actual toy. Good on the shark to con the shark

to con This is very garish pink coloring yeah,

he's kind of pink and green and yeah, it's kind

of weird looking His his shark mode is awesome

the robot mode not so much. It didn't translate

so well from from screen to toy Not at all. No,

I mean, honestly, he looks like an egg with legs

It's it's not it's not even a neat thing and

he's kind of got this little limp ball in a Supposed

to be you know, like a flail or something and

it's just kind of sad. Well, it's his mace It's

a me. I saw us a mace. I saw a third party replacement

for the mace and It basically made it made into

a great big huge base with spikes on it and then

they can create big It was more of a mace than

a flail because it was shall we say fully erect

And they marketed it kind of like his insight,

you know meet Bob, you know Bob has a Bob has

a problem They did it was funny if I could if

I could find it again, it was like a if I could

find it again, I'd show you but literally they

had a Energon RC the the the pink motorcycle

and Energon RC was kind of like posed with him

alongside him kind of wrapping her arms around

him and You know NOS sitting there with this

huge ass tail weapon It's like before little

limb flail and after giant mace with spikes on

It was like okay Bob he's got his got his groove

on Yeah, it was it was the I wish I thought this

toy at all. Do you have the shark to con at all?

Yeah Yeah, the hard well the problem with shark

to catch shark to cons are really easy to come

by Not easy to come by one with the stickers

Not easy to come by that tail weapon. Those are

hard to find Okay, and I looked high and low

and I've seen like dioramas of Like trying to

recreate parts of the movie with just a dozen

shark to cons Right, but again, you're not gonna

find one with stickers intact or tell weapons,

right? That's hard to find but yeah, they're

they're easy to find a lot of times like the

the paint will scrape off like that chrome Right

scrapes right off the green paint on the eyes

scrapes right off Yes, I mean it's hard to find

one a good shape You can probably give one to

like rumble frenzy and he'll make a masterpiece

out of it for you, but yeah But yeah, paint the

hell out of it make it beautiful. Yeah, but yeah,

it's just regular shark to cons Yeah, you know

give or take Moving on to the Decepticon City

Commander Galvatron this is why I said fuck earlier

is because I Remember the movie. I remember seeing

what color Galvatron was in the movie. Yeah and

was my color as a Damn right. And as a kid, a

buddy of mine, Nick Minicello, he had this G1

Galvatron thing. Yeah. And it wasn't until I

started collecting again in 2008 where I found

the e -hobby version where it's more movie accurate.

More purple. Exactly. He comes with a gold matrix

and he's awesome. Yeah, no the e hobby repaint

was really cool Yes, but I mean, you know you

had to wait 20 years to get it, but it was so

really really neat Did that come with electronics?

Yes, it did Okay Sometimes in the re in the e

hobby ones or the the repaints, you know, they

don't the re issues They don't come with electronics.

Sometimes now the neat thing about this guy is

you know, he was a ray gun Right. He had I mean

they show him in Ten air cannon mode, but there

was a handle that would flip down and you could

hold it like a gun and pull the trigger Yeah,

so that maybe that's undocumented. I mean, maybe

they thought that would make him look too much

like Megatron Well, well, it's not really undocumented

because it's in the instructions. Is it when

I bought when I bought the E hobby version 2008

it came pretty much c8 c9. Yeah For those of

you who don't know what C8 and C9 is, that's

box. It's not mint condition, but it's condition

of boxes and figures. It came with instructions

that showed you that Galvatron is a triple changer.

I mean, yes, not technically in the sense of

triple changer, where the gun really isn't a

third mode. It did show that you could do it.

See, there's no picture of it here, so I didn't

think it was actually in the instruction book.

Right. Yeah. No, it's neat. This isn't a horrible

toy. I mean, as far as, hey, it lights up. There's

a god mode. It makes phaser noises. That's kind

of neat. Very little to no articulation. Like

a lot of those toys. He has no. The legs have

no articulation because of the fact that he has

a giant dick coming out of his ass. His arms

have decent articulation. His arms don't, I should

say his shoulders do, where his tank treads are.

Those have decent articulation. He has Toronto

hands. So he's got no forearms. He's just got

little hands poking out of his elbows. Yeah.

It's like, man, you didn't put a lot of thought

into this transformation, did you? No, not at

all. And I just found the regular G1 one just

totally just not what I wanted. And I was much

happier with the e -hobby version. again, that's

one of the reasons why I said fuck earlier in

the show, but I also said fuck earlier in the

show because I Was addicted but a year and a

half ago. I was addicted to robot heroes. I only

have two still now I have optimus prime and I

have ravage But the Galvatron robots robot heroes

that came with Galvatron and Sunstreaker to back

The Galvatron robot heroes thing is so awesome.

I want that so badly See, I've got one. Oh, freaking

cool. I don't know. I'm kind of over the robot

heroes. You know, they're neat. I got a bunch

of them. I don't think I have a complete set,

but I got a bunch of them. And yeah, I got the

ones that I wanted. Right. But I don't know.

I'm not a big fan of Galvatron, to be honest.

I didn't like the character in the TV show. I

certainly didn't like the fact that he replaced

Megatron. Well, he didn't technically... In the

movie, in the cartoon, he didn't technically

replace Megatron. He was Megatron, just reformatted.

Well, he wasn't Megatron. He replaced Megatron.

No, no, no, no, no. AstroTrain said... No, no,

no, no. AstroTrain said, well, they were the

same guy. You know because because they are I

mean, you know It's Megatron's brain just in

a different form you know but anyways Yeah, you

beat that dead horse all the death right but

run amok and run about the battle chargers These

are horrible toys Wow You're not even holding

anything back. Tell us how you really feel. Well,

you know what honestly? If you compare them to

the their Autobot counterparts, which are going

to be the jump starters, you know, they're much

better than the jump. These are masterpiece toys

compared to the jump starters. But, you know,

as far as like toys go, they. It's kind of like

the opposite of a jump start, instead of flipping

over, you know, you pull them back and you let

them go and they go forward. And instead of flipping

over like a jump starter, the top just pops up.

Yeah. It reminds me a lot of That line of Transformers

animated the The battle bump. I was gonna say

they didn't call them battle chargers. They call

them like Yeah, but bumper battle bumper badly.

Yeah where I mean literally you you you you Pull

them back and let them go and the top pops up

or something, you know, and that's what happened

with these only You know they again no articulation.

They had their own guns that you had to prop

up on their shoulder in robot mode because they

didn't have hands. These are just sad toys in

the sense of articulation because they have no

articulation. Honestly, the play value here is

you pull them back and let them go and they pop

up and roll a little bit farther and that's good

for about three or four tries at which point

you start aiming them at each other pull them

back and let them slam into each other and that's

fun for about a dozen times and after that what

are they gonna do you know you throw them in

the toy box where their stickers come off and

then they're worthless now the next one here

is deluxe insecticons i never knew about these

well they weren't in the cartoon Right, exactly.

I never knew about these. You have Chop Shop,

Barrage, Venom, and Ransack. Oh, so that's where

Ransack's name came from. There's Ransack's name,

yeah. No, well, I just read, I just finished

reading about a week ago, I finished reading

Exodus, and I'm like, why is there a character

in here called Ransack? But anyway. These were

cool toys. Okay, then you can talk about them

because I have more to say about the regular

insecticons than I do the deluxe ones Well, the

regular insecticons were in the cartoon, right

and the characters were memorable and they're

and you know, they're really cool toys because

they're You know, they they have Show accuracy.

Well, they're well, they're chrome Right and

they have a really cool color scheme and they

have a matching color scheme Whereas with the

deluxe insecticons each one's different Right

and you know you you may or may not want I don't

know a green cicada or What do they call that

the the one with a horn? It's it's a horn beetle

You may or may not want a horn beetle or a stag

beetle Yeah, yeah, I want to say I want to say

that the The grasshoppers name was venom I think

that was venom I might be wrong anyway, but yeah,

so it's like you compare the deluxe grasshopper

to the regular grasshopper and it's like Yeah,

he's bigger and he's got a little bit more complex

transformation But you know the other guy He

looks just like his teammates. He clearly they're

a team Yeah, I mean they could have done something

neat with the deluxe insecticons that would have

tied them all together as a group that May have

increased their play value. Yeah, but yeah these

guys are fragile they are they're easy to break

they're really spindly little legs and uh yeah

they will snap right off and but i mean they're

neat toys they're fun to play with um you know

more fun to transform maybe than the regular

insecticons because they have a more uh involved

transformation right for the most part but You

know, again, they're a little hard to stand up.

They're a little flimsy. They're based on an

earlier Japanese toy line that I forget the name

of. I think it had a cartoon with, like, five

episodes in it. I don't remember. Oh, you wouldn't.

You're not Japanese. Arigato. Arigato. Ohayo

gozaimasu. Ohayo gozaimasu. Yeah. That's right.

Now, the regular insecticons. Yes. I believe

I had... Tell me how cool they are. How cool

are they? I'm trying to remember if I had all

three of them or if I just had two. Every kid

I know had all three of them. I don't... I remember

having shrapnel and bombshell. I don't remember

having kickback. Kickback was the grasshopper.

Yeah. I remember having shrapnel and bombshell.

I remember loving bombshell the best out of the

three of them. Yeah, yeah. And they are really

cool. And again, in the cartoon, they were a

sub -faction at the time of the Decepticons.

I mean, sure, everybody's going to follow Megatron,

Galvatron, whatever, eventually. But when they

were introduced, they were on their own at the

time. And again, I thought that was really neat.

Right. No, I mean, they're memorable characters.

Yeah, they have I forget. Okay, which one has

the has the the verbal tick? The verbal tick

I think that was shrapnel Okay. Yeah, it was

like, you know, we must get them get them get

them. Yeah, exactly And then you have bombshell

with the cerebral shells. Yeah, I mean that still

survives today. So at least up until TFA. Yeah

cerebral shells Yeah, no, these are just really

fun toys. And again, you've got the Chrome, simple

transformations make it easy to play with. They

have their team colors. They're visibly teammates.

They're a lot of fun, especially if you want

to reenact scenes from the cartoon. Just great,

great toys. And like I said, everyone that had

Transformers that I remember had all three of

these. I want to say they came in a box. Like

nowadays a toy that size would end up on a card

with a bubble um Yes, but back then they were

boxed every yeah all of Even even the mini cars

the the jump starters the battle chargers You

know the mini bots like bumblebee even bumblebee.

I believe came out in Japan. They came in boxes

in America They were they were on bubble cards

Well, the cars might have been, but the Insect...

No, no, no. Bombshell had a... I remember Bombshell

had a box. Well, no, the Insecticons had boxes,

but the Minibots... Okay. The Minibots all were

on cards. On card backs. The cassettes were all

on cards. Card backs, yeah. Yeah. Now, I want

to say the Constructicons... Were on a box. Well,

if you got... No, as a set, they were in a box.

You got the gift set. Right, as a set. Ordinarily...

Individually, they were on card. Yeah, but it

just seems odd that you'd have the battle charges

even except kind of the regular set cons were

on in boxes And it's like these are not big toys.

So Yeah, it's kind of surprising but not they

They had their own boxes. You know now moving

on to ones that you really don't care for These

stunta guns dead -end breakdown drag strip wild

rider and motor master Right. Now, I can see

the, I don't know, I can kind of see the plot

line here where they say, oh, if only we had

cars, you know, the Decepticons would be able

to masquerade as Autobots or something, you know,

maybe. I see the plot line. At the same time,

do we really need more cars? And worse, do we

really need more cars that have, you know, Such

simple transformations that you'd mistake them

for go -bots if you didn't know any better Well

now to be fair all of the transformers toy line

was so much better than those you know Kmart

knockoffs the go -bots so Because that's really

what go -bots are is you know the Kmart version

of transformers Motor master was the equivalent

to Optimus Prime as far as the Decepticon Decepticons

having a semi. Oh God What honestly you set this

toy next to Optimus Prime? I want to say Motor

master in full semi truck mode is probably Not

as long as Optimus Prime's cab. No, he's well

He's as long as his cab, but he's not as tiny

toy. Right? No, not even the cab Really like

his legs pulled all the way back Not even this

not even the cab, he's a he's a he's a little

toy He's small Surprisingly small. You know,

like I said when I when I first started playing

with motor master, it's like man. This is a tiny

toy Little now is really great about the stunta

cons is they got a rebirth in animated Oh with

the Stunticon job and Motor Master is a Optimus

Prime repaint as he should be we don't need none

of that retgar knockoff and I just I've always

loved the Stunticons, Minasaur himself I like

the fact that Minasaur uses a sword but i'd never

read minnesota wasn't a combiner even in the

animation minister was a combiner that i really

really and that much affliction for but i always

like the stentacons individually uh... the i

was that each of them were were very very cool

uh... especially when dead end in wild rider

run rodimus who is you know having his burdened

hardest to bear when they run him off the road

Not even a good leader. He gets run off the road

by Stuntacats. And the child of flint and Lady

J has to save her out of this. I'm driving down

the road, minding my own business. These go -bots

knocked me clear high. These guys here, they're

no swindle, right? You know what freaked me out

about these limbs, I want to say. They have their

own little guns, but they also have These big

dual cannons, each one has dual cannons that

fit in their tailpipe, oddly enough. That sounds

so wrong. It is wrong, yeah. But then in combined

mode, you don't see them. I mean, it would be

neat if you could have Menasaur just bristling

with weaponry. That would be awesome. And he

comes with all these guns. He should be able

to do that. But, you know, it was a lost opportunity.

Maybe a crazy devil will come up with a mounting

rack or something on his back so you can put

all these guns on him. I assume you have the

Stuntacons and Menasaur. Yeah, yeah. I did it

when I was little. Right, right, but you have

them now. Well, when I first started collecting

Transformers, he was one of the first sets that

I got. I mean, I immediately went for, like,

combiner sets and started with that. Yeah, and

then there was all that power core crap, but

anyway moving on to another greater Moving on

to another great debate in Transformers fandom

Hasbro got it wrong the toy company got it Rumble

is blue or purple and frenzy is red As far as

the cartoon goes sure right And as far as the

majority of the fandom believes, Rumble is purple

and Frenzy is red. Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue.

No. But the toys, the actual cassettes, as you

just said, Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue, I don't

like that. I think that's silly and stupid because

it doesn't match up with the animation. And I

know the cassettes were made before the cartoon,

I think. Why is it in this that Ratbat is shown

as red? In this image? No, he's kinda... Well...

In this image, he's as shown as red. Too shy,

I'd say, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, he should be more

of a purple. Yeah, he should be more of a purple.

Um... I always thought, like... He's got ears.

I knew in the back of my mind that when the movie

hit... You know, you had the big battle between

Blaster and Soundwave and Perceptor. where the

cassettes all fought each other. And I thought

that was cool as hell. But after that, it's like

Laserbeak and Buzzsaw in season three just disappeared.

I mean, every now and then in season three, he

would bring Laserbeak out, but it was like Buzzsaw

completely disappeared. You would have Rumble

and Frenzy, Ravage and Ratbat. Right. I love

Ravage in the cartoon. Like a set of rabbit that

the cassette forms are all very cool because

they're all very different colors and they're

all very They're not garish, but they're all

very vibrant But ravage as a cassette I don't

like him. I don't like him as a G. He has no

head. It's just neck It's just this long neck

this thing No, I always liked Ravage. I had a

Ravage when I was young. And he was my favorite

toy. I would carry him everywhere. I thought

he was awesome. I really like the cassettes.

They're pocket sized, you can carry them around.

As long as you don't lose Laserbeak's head, you're

in good shape. Exactly. Same thing with Buzzsaw.

Oh, yeah, yeah repaints now there are other There

are other cassettes, but we're not gonna be talking

about those here because again, we're just talking

about the yeah Yeah, yeah, there were the 87

cassettes and then there were other ones But

again those at least for me if it doesn't show

up in the show I have no attachment to it if

I can't see how the character interacts in the

animation, I can't use my imagination to reenact

those stories with the toys. Soundwave, amazing,

amazing toy. Soundwave was awesome. I'm still

waiting and hoping, although I know it'll never

happen because no one in this day and age knows

what a cassette deck is. I want a Masterpiece

Soundwave with Masterpiece -sized cassettes.

I know it'll never happen. I know it's wishful

thinking. I know it'll never happen, but that's

what I want. But I always love Soundwave, even

though I never actually had him on my own. And

Soundwave himself, his metal toes, those feet

were awesome. I like the fact that his weapons

could be stowed away. Batteries. Yep. Yeah. Well,

yeah, they look like batteries shrink them down

and then put them in this End of this back where

the battery pack was. Yep. Yeah, I mean I You

know, I had him as a kid. I thought he was really

really neat. I Mean but still he was just the

guy who held the cassettes I So really I was

really just in love with my little cassettes

when I was little. Yeah. Yeah Moving on to the

triple changers, Blitzwing, Astrotrain, and Octane.

Now you said earlier that you think that the

tank mode on Blitzwing hinders the jet mode.

I think the opposite. I think the jet mode, it's

just a tank folded to look like a jet. It's not

like the tank mode is everything. The jet mode

looks like a jet. The tank mode looks like a

tank with a jet cockpit sticking out the front

of it. Well, that's true. But this was a unique

way of using the the air fins, the back. I don't

know the aeronautical term for the for the fins,

but the fins. in robot mode become his feet,

and I thought that was really interesting. Oh,

in the tail of the robot mode? Yeah, yeah. I

thought that was very interesting. Well, they

kind of, like, hold him up. Yeah. Well, I mean,

otherwise, you could try to stand him up without

having those tail fins down. Good luck. Well,

because what he's standing on is his jet boosters.

So yeah, that's not going to work. So you need

those fins there to And act as as feet all right

um what's neat about this guy though is he has

missiles Yes, there are missile launchers in

his wings that will fire missiles Yes, and you

don't see that with the rest of the triple changers

nope Well the rest of the triple well at least

one other triple changer didn't really need it,

but um What really makes me mad about the image

that we're going off of here, and I wish I had

this is that? astrotrain in g1 was purple and

white he had some black on him but he was purple

and white here in this image he's black and grayish

white which means he's more show accurate and

I this is not the toy I had I had the white one

that you know the white on purple and black and

I've always loved astrotrain because I as a kid

I had enough affection for locomotives and shuttles

and I just always thought he was really cool

I still wish I had this one that's here in the

image though because it looks so fucking cool

it's like Emmett Brown's back to the future train

like old steampunk train with a space shuttle

but no I Really liked that. I don't want to say

I would like the character, but I was always

excited when I saw astro train on the cartoon

yeah, you know and the the toy does a really

good job of differentiating between train and

Space shuttle and robot. I mean the robot to

a certain extent sure you look he kind of looks

like a space shuttle dumped on its front, you

know Yeah, but he he looks good. It's a nice

robot mode The only problem I've ever had when

I've owned AstroTrain, because I've owned him

a number of times over the years, is that I can

never get his legs to stay in place, whereas

I'll pull the legs out to where they're supposed

to click in place and stay there. Every AstroTrain

I've had, his legs have ended up just being stumps.

You know what I'm talking about, right? That's

my only complaint about AstroTrain, other than

I absolutely love him. They did they did do commemorative

astro train where he's all black and all white

I Like I like a black train for Astro train,

but I didn't I didn't like the black and white

combo I wish there was a little bit more purple

in that but No, g1 original astro train was always

awesome for me now octane. I liked in the series

Never had the toy so you're gonna have to talk

about octane well Again, I didn't have an Octane

until much later. And the crazy thing about Octane

is that he's got a lot of chrome on him. So those

wings are all chrome. In tanker mode, the whole

last end of the vehicle is a big piece that pops

off. That's all chrome. So they're hard to find

in good shape, because that chrome scrapes. It

peels off. But no, I mean, he's got a really

good airplane mode, fairly decent tanker truck

mode, but neither one of them I don't think harms

his robot mode. I mean, granted, his legs don't

move very much, but I believe he's articulated

at the arms. Yes, he is, I think. Just by looking

at the image he is. No, I really wanted him.

I never got one. But yeah, he's a really cool

toy. Yes, he is Devastator! Yes, Devastator.

Yeah, so this is an 85 toy, but... He still deserves

to be talked about because... Yeah, he's so great.

He was one mean sum bitch in the movie. He was

meaner in the original draft. Yes, he was. We

probably shouldn't be talking about the movie

original draft. No, we shouldn't. Yeah, no, he

was really cool. Very very awesome now the constructor

cons on their own. I love them individually just

like I love Devastator I You know sadly I Can't

really say that from the cartoon point of view

But the toys themselves I loved the the toys

I I love them as construction vehicles Maybe

a little bit more than as robots Each one had

their own gun And the accessory on top of that

so Scrapper, you know, he came with I want to

say part of one of the forearms, you know And

it would literally like mount on top of the vehicle

mode So you'd have a construction vehicle with

a giant cannon mounted to the top of it like

long haul I think had the The chest piece would

mount across the top. So you've got you know

a huge dump truck with wings. It was just weird,

completely weird, but amazing for a young kid

to play with. And the other thing that sets Devastator

apart from the other combiners, from the 86 line

at least, is that they weren't scramble city

parts. It wasn't a torso with just a bunch of

pieces that became arms and legs. I mean, they

can't switch around. There's only one way to

combine this particular figure. Right. For me,

my two favorites out of the six were always Scrapper

and Scavenger. I liked Mixmaster to a certain

extent, but the other ones, as far as the characters

in the cartoon, I didn't really care for them.

I like Hook in the cartoon simply because he

melts off the sound wave. in the movie. See,

I always like Hook and Mixmaster. Yeah. Nobody

would fall on uncharismatic bore like you. Hey,

nobody calls Soundwave uncharismatic. Uncharismatic.

Uncharismatic. Yeah, that's what it was. You

gotta love Frank Walker. Nobody calls Soundwave

uncharismatic. Yeah. But no, Devastator was the

original combiner. in the animated series and

they added more as they went along right and

it was he was just so so awesome what really

screwed me up as a kid though was like in the

cartoon he's green the gift set they're all green

they would then go on to repaint Devastator into

yellow and orange and I'm like what the fuck

is this? well that was like in 1991 1992 fine.

This is years later. They repainted them in yellow

and then there was a KB toys exclusive. That

was orange Yeah, those are really hard to find

I've got one that's missing an arm and If I wanted

to pay 30 bucks for an arm, I'd have a complete

one, but I don't Find but yeah now going back

to crazy Debbie the best parts The best combiner

parts that they offer are for a Devastator. They

offer a different set of forearms, a head that

you can turn his neck and his eyes light up.

I believe they offer a bigger gun and a bigger

chest crest and the hips with actual forelegs.

Yeah. So that he can walk and bend his knees.

Right. Yeah. I mean, it's the type of thing where

it's like, wow, that would be really cool to

have. But at the same time, one, it wouldn't

be the original toy. And two, you'd be out 200

bucks. Exactly. Yeah. It's hard. But at the same

time, it's like, wow, that would be cool. Yeah.

Yeah, it would have been if I had an extra set

of g1 construct icons I might I might splurge

for it, but I'm not gonna yeah, you know I'm

not gonna Do that to my originals? Yeah, no you

should never do anything your originals and finally

in the 86 decepticon line we have these seekers

and Scourge and cyclonus and his armada I don't

understand why Starscream is in here. Starscream

was the 80 -45 line, I believe. Well, I mean,

he's Starscream. They, you know, they knew who

to sell. Well, right. They know who is going

to sell, I should say. I mean, that's why they've

got Bumblebee on here. Yeah. Always an 84 toy.

Why would they put him on there? Well, because

he's going to sell. Soundwave probably still

sold. Yeah. Or else he wouldn't have been on

there. But the neat thing is that the other jets,

the other secret jets, right? had new newly molded

wings newly molded wings new colors yeah i mean

well basically the same jet body but different

wings different missiles yeah they didn't have

the missile launch well i think i think thrust

had the missile launchers still yeah dirge and

ramjet did not they had different missile launch

well they didn't launch anymore yeah they didn't

launch anymore yeah which i you know when i finally

got one i was really disappointed What were the

missile launchers what the hell you know that

they just came with like little sticks on pegs

Yeah, I I Absolutely love these three like I'm

not a seeker fanboy like a lot of people are

Yeah. Thorazine and his giant secret collection.

I love this collection, it's awesome. Both Thorazine

and his army of knockoffs. It's like, dude, that's

a lot of seekers. I mean, don't you have anything

else? No. No more. Wow. Well, hey, you know,

if you go one way in a certain fandom and you're

going all in, hey, that's not a bad way to go.

Yeah, no, there you go. Yeah. It's a healthy

collection. Yeah, what I liked about Thrust,

Dirge, and Ramjet, they were all different from

Starscream, Cyclonit, or Starscream, Skywarp,

and Thundercracker, because they were all Coneheads.

And they were cool. See now, I never liked the

Conehead. I did. I can't get over the whole Conehead

thing. Now, I'm looking at the... The catalog

here, it doesn't look like they have them in

conehead mode. The cone's been back just like

they did with the original Seekers. You don't

have to portray them as coneheads. No, you don't.

But again, me with my show accuracy. Sure, why

not? You know, that was the ideal thing. Shut

up. I had a Thrust when I was little. That was

the only one I had. The only seeker that I had

was Thrust. But I liked him because he had the

VTOL fans on the wings. Right. Yeah, the VTOLs.

Yeah, but no, he's neat. I liked him. The two

that I didn't like was Scourge and Cyclonus.

I mean like I like later releases of scourge

and cyclonus, but the yeah the target master

release or No, no, no the universe not universe

classics. Oh, yeah Granted yeah, there's the

nostalgia there. I mean you can have a flying

bathtub and get away with it now because it's

nostalgia but back then What was he hovercraft?

Bathtub, you know, I'm not sure what the heck

that is surfboard Is he supposed to stand on

himself and fly? Like retgar. I mean, I I don't

get it. I I just don't see that as a jet and

As a transformer he's really a letdown Because

he's again, he's like a shell former Yeah, he's

a robot that wraps the shell around himself and

that shell becomes a vehicle cyclonus Has a really

cool vehicle mode But I never liked his robot

mode because he's got this giant crown on his

head. Yeah. I have to correct myself because

I'm looking on TFWiki here. The G1 derge does

not have a cone head. He has a box head. It's

the generations one, the most recent one, the

most recent redeco that has the show accurate

cone head. But no, the G1 toy is not a conehead.

It was just a conehead in the cartoon. Oh, yeah.

Huzzah. Huzzah. Huzzah. Yeah, so, sad, but the

more I look back on this podcast, the more I

say, the more it sounds like, I should say, the

more it sounds like I say that, you know, all

the movie toys should be shunned. No, no, no.

Stop right there. No, no, no. The FTM movie toys,

for their time, not looking back on them, but

for their time, for the most part, they were

pretty cool. There are some that just plain suck,

I will agree. But these are nowhere near the

complete suckage of Bayformers. There apples

and oranges right there. Let's compare. Let's

compare some of these toys. Okay to The GI Joe

toys that were coming out at the time No that

of the GI Joe toys at that time. Well, I mean

they're they're military vehicles, you know,

you can't go wrong, right but With these military

vehicles a lot of the details were in the mold

Molded into the toy. They weren't stickers The

toys were molded in more than two colors So that

you have you know, uh, I Don't want to say a

better. Yeah better looking toy basically because

you know, it's not just Red and green plastic

put together Christmas is prime or something

Christmas is prime He's red and green how that

happened. Yeah, but no, I mean a lot of these

toys are just not very well designed you know

cheap plastic it gets worse than 87 to be honest

designs get worse plastic gets worse um just

not very good toys uh that doesn't hold the candle

to what you'd find in 84 85 85 is literally like

the pinnacle it was of transformers you know

design and implementation again predicating is

the exception that proves the rule yeah but you

know a lot of these toys are just Now, did I

want a trypticon? Heck yeah, I'll take a trypticon.

I'll still take a trypticon over most of this

stuff. Did I want a Metroplex? Yeah, I wanted

a Metroplex. But the Metroplex, I had Chrome,

and he was three figures, and he had a helipad.

Yeah, I was gonna say it is almost bad, but no

they don't they don't He had decent articulation

as you could rotate at the waist and at the shoulders

And he had lots of gun in hidden guns pop out

guns all sorts of stuff on him But yeah, you

know did Rodimus Prime have pop out hidden guns

so much not really did did Cup who's not even

a car, you know have pop out guns. Well, not

really He barely had a pop -out head. It was

really shameful. I don't know, a lot of these

toys were just kind of crap. I want to say, due

to the sheer number of combiner limbs, the combiner

limbs probably made up a good 40 % of the 86

line. And like I said before, they're barely

more than go -bots with extra accessories. And

they're just you know If they if they weren't

so compelling in the cartoon They I don't think

they'd have near they wouldn't be good toys because

they wouldn't have nearly as good play value

Wow, I do not believe that what? Trypticon and

Scorponok are essentially repaints of each other

with the exception that instead of Scorponok

having a Toronto mode he has a scorpion motor

an actual robot mode, but if you look at the

the city modes of trypticon and scorponok They're

nearly identical because I'm looking at the 87.

I was gonna say first of all we're talking about

an 87 toy here I know I know and secondly You

can't get it to come off. Yeah, I'm having a

little trouble getting it up, you know. Oh god,

you did not have to say that. I don't know why.

Oh no, I think I know why because my my external

drive is it went down on me. What the hell, man?

what the hell are horror con - ape face and snap

- oh ok ape face and snap drive but i'm looking

at the 87 line i know well i couldn't help it

because you started mentioning that the 87 line

was much worse than the 86 line so i couldn't

help it look at the horror cons look at the look

at the cheap plaster i know i know look at this

these are just i mean honestly they're they're

horrible horrible toys okay but In I know this

episode is mainly for the tftm86 line, but just

looking at the 87 line kind of close this out

Yeah, six shot is awesome. Oh, he is awesome.

Yeah, you know Six shot is an awesome toy because

he you know Arguably his some of his modes are

kind of iffy But he's got six of them and if

you if you look at his toy mode that you can't

tell her There's no comparison. He is as tall

as Metroplex. Yeah Maybe Maybe two -thirds as

wide He's not as bulky, but he's got a lot of

mass to him and he's a fun toy to play with Yeah,

oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, here we go. Did they come

up? Yeah, it's it here it is. Alright, so where's

my yeah, there we go. So yeah trypticon No, yeah,

honestly, you'd have to you got to play with

a trypticon trypticon is a really cool toy. He's

bigger than Metro plot they're not much of a

is bigger than a Triptych on or Scorpion ock

you mean score who am I talking about? You said

triptych on all right? Scorpion ock is bigger

than triptych on right, but what I meant to say

Okay, but what I'm saying is look at look at

scorpion ock city mode right look at triptych

on city mode They're almost extremely identical.

They're they're not exactly though Well where

I want where I want to differ here is with scorpion

ock They look similar, Scorponok and Trypticon,

because they're symmetrical. But the side pieces

that come off of Trypticon, on the sides of the

city mode, those, they're just there for show.

They don't actually do anything. Whereas the

side pieces, the side ramps, those are ramps

that come off the side of Scorponok. You can

drive cars up and down them. So, I mean, he's

a little more functional. Well, yeah, and he's

got bays that you can drive into you know, kind

of like Kind of like a metroplex So now I mean

arguably between the the two toys Scorponok is

a better base and You know, he's better robot

mode. I mean, he's not just a he's not just a

dinosaur. He's got arms and legs and he's got

you know Pinchers that you can pinch on it. He's

cool and he's a headmaster. So there's that But,

on the other hand, Trypticon can walk. He lights

up. And Scorponok has no electronics. Well, I'm

trying to think. Is that true? Does he move those

lights? No, he doesn't. I don't think he does.

I own one. I don't think I ever turned him on.

I've turned on Trypticon. I've watched him walk.

It's cool. It's a really neat effect. Yeah, Trypticon

does walk. Yeah, I don't think Scorponok does.

I don't think he has any electronics. What other

ones, since we've gone into it, what other ones

in the 87 line do you think are worse than the

86 line? Well, like, look at the dual cons. What

the hell is that, honestly? That's not even a

robot mode. That's two vehicles stacked on top

of each other with a head Yeah, that is crap

I didn't like the whole headmaster gimmick I

Always I always like that. I you know, I don't

know. I'm not a fan of the target master gimmick.

I like it It's the same toy all over again with

the with a different gun Where's the fun in that?

I don't know I punch counter punch yeah that

honestly i i wish it was done better um there's

no way to do this but this is just crap i i i

don't know i even the combiners like the horecons

yeah the horecons are crap i will i will agree

to that the techno bots take a good look at the

techno bots i know i mean you know i i i Yeah,

I don't want to I don't explain too loudly about

the technobots because I like them Again, there's

the scramble city combiners and if you dig that

gimmick Then you can't go wrong with that, right?

I mean I personally I wish they would have made

two or three more scramble city type combiners

Just because I like that gimmick. Are they are

they good toys? Yeah, that's up for debate But

you build a cartoon around them and you give

them good personalities and an interesting story

and the kids are gonna buy them so that they

can reenact those stories. That's the play value,

that's where the fun is. But 25, 30 years later

when I've got a, what's the drill's name, nose

cone on my desk. And I literally have a nose

cone here on my desk and he's standing, you know,

next to some of my classics toys He doesn't he

doesn't hold up very well No, see a lot of the

toys you had to really use your imagination.

Whereas, you know watching the cartoon you could

get into it because You know, even though everyone

says that g1 doesn't have strict continuity,

which it doesn't And even though everyone really

even I bashed, you know a lot of the episodes

I still love watching the g1 episodes for what

they are Yeah, and you know fun. Yeah, they are

When you turn your brain off and not not think

about not like, you know, why is why is perceptor?

Shooting something out of his microscope, you

know, you know, sorry, it's advice on this one,

right? Exactly. Don't think too much into it.

Exactly. Um What I find extremely funny about

Scorponok, at least according to the TFWiki,

you are correct. I don't think he has the electronics

because it doesn't say on here that he... They'll

usually say motorized or something. Yeah, well,

right. I don't see that it's saying that he is

motorized or not. But the one last line on here

says, Also, he has a die -cast ass. That's what

it says on the wiki. Oh, on the wiki, okay. Well,

yeah, I'll buy that. It's a lost art. Yeah, die

-cast construction is a lost art. I need to find

that clip again. Overall the 86 lot, you know

since we've been going over it for nearly two

hours now two hours two and a half hours How

long however long it's been something like that.

Yeah, um just talking about these I Really want

a lot of these toys now. I Mean, you know just

you know looking back at Rodimus and remember

playing with Rodimus on vacations and stuff like

that Looking back at you know The Galvatron even

though I prefer the the e hobby version, you

know I I just really want a lot of these g1 toys

again now just Just talking about it. Just bringing

up the nostalgia of what they were and what they

are. Yeah Well, you know what's funny is that

there's still something I don't have and I can't

I kind of look at them I go Wow kind of wish

I had one of those Like a Snapdragon I don't

have a Snapdragon Well, the sad thing is if I

wanted to go buy a snapdragon right now, he would

cost me 150 bucks Yeah, that's that's the other

thing. Yeah If I wanted a target master cyclonus,

I'd be paying 150 bucks for him Yeah, I I've

told this story before and I will say it again

because it's probably been a while since I've

told this but When I in 2008 when I was still

working for the company that I worked for and

I had buku Amounts of money that and no no real

bills to speak of except for you know cable and

cell phone or whatever else I had a lot of money

coming in and I felt nostalgia for my childhood

and I went on eBay and for blaster soundwave

G1 blaster soundwave Galvatron, even though it

was the wrong one at the time and G1 optimus

84 optimus In total, I spent $1250 on those four

figures. $300 each for Soundwave, Blaster, and

Galvatron. And it wasn't even the right friggin'

Galvatron. I later spent like $65 to get the

eHobby version. Transformers and the G1 and the

vintage stuff, the market is so, so awful because

they're so expensive. You know, look at the single

most expensive Transformer in Generation 1. Fort

Max. Yeah. You can't buy a Fort Max under $500.

You probably can't buy a complete Fort Max under

$1000. Oh, probably not. You know, I actually

bought my Fort Max for $450, and he's missing

one of the big guns. Right, okay, but right,

but I mean, you know, a lot of them out there

are, you know, say $800 and they're missing a

lot of, you know, they're just missing one item.

They're missing a lot of things. And what they're

saying is, oh, hey, look, it's Fort Max and he's

$800 because it's Fort Max. I mean, you know,

it's kind of like, you know, you know, you're

not supposed to talk about Fort Max, you know,

whatever the Fight Club saying is, you know.

First first club of fort max's you don't talk

about fort max or force first rule of first rule

of fort max's You don't fight max club So I think

do you have any other closing thoughts cuz if

not we're gonna go to a quick commercial break

come back close the show and then that'll be

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