Catching Up with GeneralTekno: Generations Figures, War for Cybertron Megatron, and Beast Wars 2 Starscream

Cliffjumper, commence countdown! Five, four,

three, two, one! Hello and welcome to the 81st

episode of Toycast brought to you by the GeekCast

Radio Network. I am your host, GFJohnMike, and

joining me is GeneralTechno. Hello, sir. Hello

there. Yes, we should probably have some sort

of crowd noise welcoming you back because it's

been a while since you've been on the show. So

what's been going on with you? Not much, not

much. I mean... I've gotten a whole bunch of

new stuff since I was last on the show, which

is no surprise. But I mean, yeah, I mean, nothing

too much going on in my life right now. So I

guess my birthday is next week. Oh, cool. Well,

happy early birthday then. Yeah, thanks. There

you go. That's always good. So there's been tons

of news and stuff. about uh... all the generations

figures coming up and then to wheeljack uh...

tracks is out lug nuts out of all shit lug nut

not out yet he's just out in uh... he leaks like

up the jet those days are still on katoids and

stuff well i mean as far as it's it's been you

know we're seeing pictures and we've seen people

do that have gotten them that is the reviews

and stuff like that honestly i I'm not a lug

nut fan. I have not, you know, I have made no

qualms about not being a lug nut fan because

I think that they basically just, you know, said,

oh, Astrotrain, well, shit on you. We're going

to do this original character that nobody even

knows about. And of course, people like you who

have become big fans of it is fine, but it...

For me, it was always Astrotrain and Blitzwing

were triple changed. Yes. And I don't think it

was even considered because of the fact that

it was more of a, we won a triple changer on

the team and they were originally going to do

a six shot more. And then once the toy people

started going, you know, that's kind of impractical

for us to do, they went with Blitzwing. Yeah,

I know. But they still could have gone with Astrotrain.

Astrotrain is not impractical. Six shot is impractical.

Astrotrain is not. But yeah, so you wanna oh

My point is that because I'm not a real fan of

lug nut as far as that goes like the toys and

all that I get to say between the animated Voyager

and this new generations Voyager I Like the animated

Voyager much better Well, I won't be able to

be 100 % until I get the Generations one in hand,

which I do plan on doing, but I do think that

there's a lot of stuff the Generations one has

that the animated doesn't, which I like better.

For instance, that opening and closing mouth

is really nice. And I really do like the way

the wings transform and just the size of him

in vehicle mode. Like he's he's got a massive

vehicle mode because of uh, I I credit it entirely

to the fact that they're packaging voyagers in

robot mode now Because since they can do that

they can actually do they do alt modes which

are larger and which would uh Like I mean if

they were to do lug nut in the past They would

have had to make the packaging for the whole

line bigger in order to fit him in that packaging

Yep It's kind of like goes back to like movie

long haul where, size -wise, he's kind of too

thick to fit in proper Voyager packaging, but

he really fills it out as a robot. Which is why

they packaged him in robot mode. I don't know,

I mean, sometimes it just depends with me as

far as the packaging goes, as far as whether

it's in robot mode or... or alt mode. Honestly,

it really boils down to the character. If I want

two of the character to have, Like War for Cybertron,

Optimus, Bumblebee, Soundwave, Megatron. Right.

Well, I think that there are decisions overall

on who gets Robot Mode and who gets Omelette

are being pretty smart, because with the War

for Cybertron guys, they're Robot, they're Cybertronian,

and I guess the idea is that the Robot Modes

are far more recognizable, which is true. Whereas

with the other guys, it's more, you've got cool

cars that turn into robots, so they bank on that.

Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait for that lug nut. I've

got a couple on pre -order at BBTS. I'm probably

gonna get the Get one if I can early as well.

And then of course, there's the Japanese one.

I've got a pre -order And I honestly think from

what we've seen so far pictures I honestly think

as the premier lug nut fan it is my Argument

that Hasbro did a better deco I do not like what

kills the Tkar one for me is that purple head

But wasn't wait a minute No, his head wasn't

purple and animated. Never mind. No, no, no,

it wasn't so no I like the atomic lug nut homage

in the colors though. So because I have always

liked the atomic lug nut deco Yeah Yeah, you

so how many other lug nuts would you get if you

had a lug nut army of Puggles? He Well, I'm already

hoping to get the trying to get gonna get trying

to get one in for the generations one and then

of course There's the United one because it's

kind of different deco And then of course you've

probably seen my lug nut fan art at this point

so I don't think so, but I've seen not quite

banner per se I basically got the idea on a whim

at one point after a Probably four hours Skype

conversation or so to do all of the love to Do

human female designs for all the Lugnut toys.

Oh wow. I mean like even the McDonald's Lugnut

toy got one. Wow. Let's see. It was fun. So are

you going to get Puggle versions of all of those?

Oh, no, no, no, I don't think no the McDonald's

one is not different enough in order to warrant

like something like say a Puggle, but it works

well from a concept design Yeah, I think um honestly,

I mean until some of these other oh, yeah, those

are pretty cool No, you're lug nuts. That's funny

I see that! Disapproved by Derek J. Wyatt. Wow,

that's bloody disapproved by Derek J. Wyatt.

That's so awesome. Oh, man. Yeah, you know, honestly,

Until the problem I have, and I think I mentioned

this in a past episode of Toycast recently, let's

face it. I mean, usually the online retailers

like Big Bad Toy Store, like KO Toys, like Toy

Arena, most of the time they get the stuff early.

Well, Big Bad Toy Store sometimes does, or sometimes

get it close to release day, but honestly, the

online market is like weeks and weeks and weeks

ahead of retail outlets. yes but that's because

they don't have the disadvantage retail has distribution

like for the online stores they've got one distribution

center they get their stuff shipped in and then

they send it out to their customers whereas for

walmart they've got to put it through everything

plus they've got to worry about what stock they

have on the shelves The online retail model is

very efficient for toy purchasing I've actually

been using BBTS very heavily for the lot a lot

of the Transformers I purchased or recently just

because the fact that it's been taking forever

for stuff to trickle up to Canada Yeah, yeah,

I've got all the all the waves of that have been

announced for generations and reveal the shield

at this point Like I've got them all on pre -order

weight Plus if you get the whole set of four

you can generally get to Like if you get the

whole sets of four when you add in shipping It's

actually works out to be pretty good pretty close

to Canadian retail. So yeah, yeah I mean it's

I am this is one of those things where it's like

Well, first of all lately, I haven't had a lot

of extra spending cash So but I mean even if

I did it's like okay, I can go to Walmart or

I can go to Target and oh Optimus, Optimus, Bumblebee,

Bumblebee, Drift, Drift, Thrust, Thrust, Thrust,

you know, it's like a sea of ravages. Which,

oh, the Sea Attack Ravage? Yeah, Sea Attack Ravage.

See, I wasn't even really talking about Hunt

for the Decepticon stuff. I mean, I like those

figures, but they're just not, it's not something

that I have to have. I mean, the only Ravage

that I've got. since the original movie Ravage

was the Legends version. I don't really like

the repaints of Ravage. I just don't. That's

perfectly fair. I'm at the point, mind you, where

I've basically gotten off the Ravage because

I decided to go completest on the movie Ravage.

Did you hit mute? Yes I did hit mute actually.

Where did I cut off? Movie Ravage is completionist.

Yes I was saying that. There's just the three

pack for me to get with Bumblebee and Rampage

and I'll get that eventually. I'm just waiting

for it to go a bit cheaper first. My only problem

with the other repaints of Movie Ravage is that

the eyes. or the eye on each one it's not purple

well they got they got it right on the new one

because it's red so i know i know but i like

i always like the purple eye on on the original

deluxe version that was the thing i like the

least about the original so so go figure but

uh i actually think that so far are the ones

i have i think that the uh mail away one is the

neatest as far as deco goes just because of the

mix of colors he's got so mix of colors plus

the chrome yes yes he looks really nice on a

shelf so yeah but yeah the uh But yeah, I mean

with the movie stuff I will admit that at this

point like I'm not going for a lot of movie stuff

I'm not necessarily going for completion of song

like I mean There's a few things like wave 2

for instance I was maybe going I was considering

getting a lead to one in the end from wave 2

all I'm getting this hail all I've gotten and

plan to get his hail storm and wave 3 I'm just

gonna be getting Tomahawk and terror dive and

I've actually got Tomahawk and Yeah, you know

I like a lot of the way the figures look, but

they're just I mean It's nice to see pictures

and people doing reviews of them, and that's

all well and good, but they're just not figures

that They're just not figures that I want my

collection And it really has nothing to do with

the fact that they're quote -unquote movie verse.

I mean technically Technically they're not I

mean it's You know, they renamed the line to

hunt for the Decepticons, and yeah, that's part

of moving and all that, but I mean, it doesn't

say Revenge of the Fallen. It's not constant

repaints or withholds of... Yes, they're shifting

the line away. Right, exactly. And it's not that

I don't like the figures. I like them. I just

don't... You know, outside of not actually having

the extra money, but I just don't feel that I

need them in my collection. I mean, the only

one I would... Huh? I said oh that's fine. Oh

yeah the only one I may get but probably not

because I really don't like the way his face

looks is Sea Spray. I would probably only get

him for alt mode. Oh Sea Spray he's a good figure

that Battle Blades Prime if you don't have the

leader I'd suggest you get that as well because

that's like basically all the engineering of

the leader in a Voyager class toy. I don't have

him. I might get him if I find him cheap, but

I'm honestly on the fence with him simply because

of the fact that Well, he is a really nice mole,

but he is the leader down scale basically and

I do have and I really like the leader Yeah,

but by the same token I did buy deluxe iron hide

but deluxe iron hide is a really good toy and

has a very different transformation Yeah, yeah,

and then of course I bought route. I of course

I bought ratchet just for his EMP and then threw

him in a box So I guess we can get into the display

case segment, and I am going to go first this

time. Actually, one of the listeners, one of

the fans of the show and one of the fans of the

Geekcast Radio Network actually sent me a couple

of things. He sent me a War for Cybertron Megatron,

so I have that. He also included in there a 07

Legends Bumblebee. Nice. Oh, you mean when you

say that you mean movie legends Bumblebee? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, that's the crappy one, isn't it? Yeah,

the Revenge of the Fallen one's a lot better.

And I don't know if this is something that has

this Bumblebee. He's got like smudges on him.

I don't know if it was something that Godspeed

had maybe had on his hand handling the toy. but

he's no no that's the uh... seventies camaro

yes that's got all the battle damage like the

uh... other toy because it's a beat up car yeah

well yeah but it's got like smudges on it i don't

know if it's supposed to be smudges or if it's

supposed to be battle damage no no there's smudges

that are supposed to represent battle damage

oh really Yeah, it looks like somebody just stuck

their finger in a piece of tar and just wiped

it off on the thing or something I don't know

Hasbro's battle damage has never been that great

on Transformers, but I think that's largely because

of the fact of paint apps Yeah, I greatly appreciate

Godspeed sending me War for Cybertron Megatron,

but this thing is not something I would even

transform. Yeah, he's not a very good... I don't

have that one, but I mean... Do you want him?

No, no, no, I don't. I didn't get a lot of the

Movie 1 legends. I got a lot more of the Revenge

of the Fallen legends, but a lot of them were

really cool, and I've actually still got a whole

bunch in box, because I was planning on doing

a... repainting a bunch of Zviakons, which I

never got around to. yeah yeah I yeah like Joltz

is a pretty good one for instance and the RC

one is really good yeah I thank you very much

Godspeed for sending me this stuff but I'm sorry

dude it's not changing my mind on movie toys

whatsoever but Megatron is gorgeous though isn't

he oh yes especially that especially this part

I love this part oh the cannon is great I like

how the color changes when you put the missile

in yep It's just it's just awesome. I mean the

only real complaint is not really a complaint

But I wish there was more dark energon bits like

on his legs how he's got the dark energon purple

And he's got it on his chest as well Yeah, he

looks yeah, it's a very nice figure that Megatron.

I mean I really thought it is it is He's got

a great robot mode, and I mean his almost not

much to speak of but it wasn't in the game either

And it's a pretty good representation of it.

Yeah, it is I just I don't know, I wish there

was just a different... I know they're going

off game design for these obviously, but I just

wish that the game design had some sort of different

cyber turning in mode. I don't know what you

could have for Megatron other than what he was

in the game, but it just didn't... I don't know,

it doesn't really transfer well to toy form.

That's true. I will say though that my own argument

for Megatron's has always been in Cybertronian

mode is that Megatron at his core, one of his

defining things is the giant gun. Like, the point

of his alt mode should be to move a giant gun

from point A to point B. His mode does that very

well on the war for Cybertron. That's the entire

purpose of it, to move a gun from point A to

point B. Right, that's true, and I will agree

with you. It's taking the G1 all mode and fixing

the biggest flaw with it, which is that the gun

couldn't fly. Oh man, well if you threw it far

enough it could fly. Yes, but still, you got

my point. I know. He turned into a gun and then

he was helpless. At least Shockwave could fly.

Oh yeah, but Megatron is awesome. There's so

many... I don't know what other homages are in

this design, but obviously Buckethead is one.

And it's weird, why does he have... See, this

is what makes no sense to me on some of the Transformers

toys. On the top of his head, he's got purple

light piping. But yet his eyes are red and there's

no light piping whatsoever. Yes, that's because

Hasbro tend to engineer stuff with repaints in

mind nowadays. So they like to do light piping

whenever they can. But if there's a case, like

in Megatron's case here, where he has a purple

missile... Like the clear plastic on Megatron

was going to be purple. That's pretty clear because

of the fact that his missiles and stuff was there.

So what they did instead was they painted his

eyes to give him the accurate eye color. And

then if they wanted to do light piping later,

then on a repaint or something, then they would

have that option. It's just a matter of keeping

their options open. So it's not the first time

they've done it. Yeah, that's true, I guess.

I tell you what, man, this missile does fire

pretty far, though. This is probably one of the

One of the only missiles that at least out of

the stuff that I have that fires You know at

least maybe two or three feet away from when

you fire it, right? But yeah, we don't see there

nowadays You don't actually see that many figures

that have two -tone light piping there's one

exception that I've seen in reef that I've seen

recently and that is a Hunt for the Decepticons

Tomahawk and that was a huge surprise for me.

Honestly that he had more than one color of clear

plastic Yeah, I just wish he... I'm hoping for...

I don't think this will ever happen. What I would

love to see in this Megatron mold, all black

with dark energon purple everywhere. So Shadowblade,

nice. No, not really Shadowblade. It would be

more of like a dark energon power -up because,

I mean, let's face it, dark energon is purple.

Mean that that's just a color it is And I just

wish that there was more of it on this toy But

if they were to ever do a repaint of him as like

a different color Megatron, I would hope for

Mostly black with a little bit of red, but mostly

purple mostly the dark clear purple all over

his body You know come to think I wouldn't mind

seeing how he would look in classics colors Just

given how much of a homage his design it like

it shares design cues with the classic friend

figures for instance the chest Yeah, I'm not

sure how that would work To see this guy as a

gun though No, seriously I could see I can see

war for Cybertron Megatron turning into a handgun.

Yes, gameplay wise, that would be pretty horrendous

gameplay. No, it wouldn't, because then you could

have Starscream hold him and fire him. And then

Starscream just chucks him into a smelting pool.

Congratulations, you've just become leader of

the Decepticons. I do hope, and I know I've said

this before on this show, I do hope that Optimus

Mumblebee... Soundwave and Megatron are not the

only War for Cybertron toys we are getting. Now

I know we're getting the repaint of Mumblebee,

which is Cliffjumper, and it's a different head

and everything else, but that technically doesn't

count because it's a repaint. But at this point,

my own thoughts on the matter are basically that

I don't think we're going to see any more unless

there's a second game. But I'm sure that Hasbro

was probably toying around with other designs.

And if there's a second game, I'm sure we'll

see a few more toys. Because the designs are

going to be the same, because it'll be a sequel.

Right. But that still makes no sense to me. OK.

Yes. Optimus Megatron Soundwave. and bumblebee

are four very main well -known characters makes

no sense to me why you wouldn't make starscream

thundercracker and skywarp that makes no like

i can see them not making like iron hide and

uh jet fire and uh what uh Air raid and and silverbolt

I can see not making those guys But I mean we

all know even though I disagree because I'm not

a Starscream fanboy. Thank God You know, we all

know that Starscream Thundercracker and Skywarp

are the most popular seekers Well, yes, if we

were to get another wave of war for Cybertron

toys Honestly, what I would want for is I would

want to start I'd probably want Yes, Scott the

Skywarp I think Yeah, I'd go with Skywarp, Ratchet.

Who are the other two I had in mind? I think

Warpath and Breakdown. Yeah, I could see that.

I'm saying Skywarp simply because of the fact

that I like his deco plus Skywarp. The last time

we really got a figure that could potentially

stand in with Classics Universe was that 2 -pack.

Yeah, and he's got a more interesting deck with

a thundercracker what I wish that they would

do I I know they would never do this but Something

like war for like transformers generations war

for Cybertron Battle elite three -pack and just

have Starscream thundercracker and skywarp as

as deluxe jets That would be cool. Hasbro hasn't

really done that sort of thing with Transformers,

though they've done it. They've experimented

with Star Wars. I just found out the other night

that there's a Clone Wars Mandalorian Warrior

four pack, which is like four of the same Mandalorian

Warrior. Right, right. If I see that at retail,

I might have to get it because I've got the Mandalorian

Warrior mold and he's pretty cool. Yeah, um overall

cuz I because I am kind of talking about these

two as far as what what Godspeed sent me um Sorry,

dude. I get a pass on this bumblebee This battle

damage looks horrible I will still keep the toy,

but overall Megatron fairly awesome. I'd love

to see a black and purple repaint of him That

would be super super cool And I guess that's

really all I have to say. Megatron is very, very

awesome. The only other real complaint I have

about the War for Cybertron figures is that they're

all deluxes. I think Optimus and Megatron should

have at least been Voyager size. That way, you

know, I don't know. Oh, this Megatron seems awfully

short for a Megatron. Yes, I know it is a deluxe

figure. So, you know, people don't have to...

Even then it's not an issue of Megatron being

short honestly I think the issue is probably

more that Bumblebee and Soundwave could stand

to be a bit shorter because Megatron and Prime

are actually pretty are actually when you put

them next to each other, they're not that different

and For proper height comparison, I'm gonna grab

my Cyclonus because he's one of the taller deluxes

and Megatron's actually like not that much shorter

than Cyclonus, so He just just Having him stand

here and just like my vision of Megatron in my

head, he just looks too short to be a Megatron

because like when I first opened the thing that

Godspeed sent me, I'm like, oh, well, maybe his

legs extend. Oh, wait, no, they don't. Crap.

That's as tall as this figure gets. He looks

like a deluxe midget, which that's what he is.

That's why I'm saying I wish that Prime and Megatron

would have been Voyagers and Soundwave and Bubbleweed

could have still been deluxes. Well, I don't

mind what we got because it probably made it

more fee it was probably one of those trade -offs

where it was like Well, we've got the budget.

We've got this budget to do war for Cybertron

figures So we can either do like a couple of

voyagers or like four deluxes So deluxes are

the sweet spot for hasburst price moments. I

know I know they are but still it's just I Guess

it's just me and my whole size scale. Oh fair

enough problem thing because it's like It's not

really, like... Like, yeah, Bumblebee's a little

bit shorter. Well, no, he's not! They're all,

like, the same size, which sucks. That's why

I'm saying, if Optimus and Megatron were Voyager

-sized, and I don't see why you couldn't make,

in a Warfare Zybertron toy line, that you're

only gonna have four toys, make two of them Voyager,

two of them Deluxe. And yeah, I understand that

Deluxe is Hasbro's sweet spot for price point,

but... Mean people would would have bought a

Voyager Optimus and a Voyager Megatron Maybe

I suppose but I mean in the end I think though

that when it comes to like I think the biggest

problem with the war for Cybertron figures was

just that Because they were packed in robot mode.

They all had to be roughly the same size mm -hmm,

and that was probably the biggest downfall because

they couldn't the fiddle and scale though by

the same token I've kind of given up on uh for

some time on on getting the scale that I want

I mean even in G1 you've got power glide like

You look at stuff like, say, how Powerglide,

for instance, turns into, like, an A -10, and

that's a massive plane, but he's one of the smallest

Transformers. And then you look at all the people

who complained when they gave him a toy that

was actually more in scale with how big he actually

should be. Yeah, I know, and I'm not, you know,

I mean, we could argue about... And then like

how Thunderwing's toy, oh, that should be a Least

of Voyager because Thunderwing is massive, and

stuff like that, I mean... Mind you, in Thunderwing's

case, that's a different story simply because

of the fact that there was engineering they did

drop from the deluxe. So what will you be talking

about, sir? Well, I've been getting a whole ton

of stuff since the last show, and I'm actually

going to talk about some stuff that fits the

theme I think of actually the last time I was

on. Because was it last time I was on? Was that

when I talked about Galvatron? Beast Wars 2nd

Galvatron? Or was I on after that? Yeah, you're

fine. Keep going. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, but anyway,

I Well, I like that figure and then I was hunting

around BBTS looking at other BBT Looking at other

Beast Wars second figures that were decent prices

because they have a few Korean box ones Which

are basically the same figure just the Korean

packaging And I came across a Starscream and

BB2 pack, which, like a lot of the other figures

in the Beast Wars 2, they're repurposed Generation

2 molds that they repainted in order to use in

a different line. Like, this figure was used

in G2, there was a Dreadwing colors, and there

was also RID colors as well, I guess. And there's

been a few different decos of him. this two pack

that i've gotten and it's the star screen in

BB from a beast war second so i've seen video

reviews of these guys BB is ugly see BB is a

pretty cool figure in my opinion for one i like

i actually like him more than the star screen

what i like about BB is i mean first of all i

mean the deco on these guys is pretty cool it's

just the whole black purple and yellow it works

really well And you even have like small little

sticker details like how Starscream has a little

Predacon affection symbol on his a head crest

Which is a neat little touch Yeah, that is a

neat little touch there mm -hmm, but yeah what

I like and the two like Starscream turns into

a jet like G1 Starscream and BB turns into a

stealth bomber and the two can combine which

is appropriate given that it was originally a

drip Originally was Dreadwing and Smokescreen

that were the two figures. So there's a bit of

a Dreadwing -Darkwing homage in how they combine

in vehicle mode. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah,

like in the comics, in the comics what they actually

did for Dreadwing is they had a Darkwing get,

Darkwing got blown apart in an attack and they

rebuilt him into the G2 Dreadwing body. Because

it's got very much the same colors as G1 Darkwing

And yeah, so what I really like about BB though

is just the proportions you talk about those

being ugly but those same proportions are actually

what i love about this figure because the fact

that well for one these guys have the benefit

of g2 engineering which is way one of those things

that i don't like about g1 toys because g2 was

when they really started experimenting with actually

giving toys joints other than other than oh it

needs to bend here for the transformation so

let's give it a joint here even though the knee's

bent the wrong way yeah but yeah like uh bb has

like fully posable arms and legs and uh his head

turns as well and then his gun can move be moved

around too which makes him really neat but what

i really like is just the shortened stock how

he's the giant stock the giant stocky character

who you know doesn't necessarily look that intelligent

but his mold carries with it a lot of character

like he It's it's very much like a just to use

some analogies. It's like the I guess the classic

small guy big guy pairings, which you have throughout

You have them all throughout comedy and that

sort of thing. But like for instance, you got

ransack and crumple zone in Transformers Cybertron

That's probably what comes to mind first. And

then of course, you've also got pairings like

I guess even Bumblebee Bulkhead works as that

too Yeah, you got the little guy and then he's

got the big guy that he can use to back him up

if he needs to Like that's the vibe I get from

Starscream and BB because the fact that you got

Starscream this little jet and then you got like

his big Like this big behemoth the guy that he

works with like the big bruiser guy who's got

the can on his back that it Fires off six missiles

and then he stores another three missiles on

each of his wings. I Know but I'm sorry missiles

in a toy And that's fine for the still like I

said to you off air the only thing I like about

the BB toy is the stealth bomber mode The the

robot mode is just fugly to me that that head

sculpt sucks I mean it looks like a gray version

of waspinator for Christ's sake How do you I

honestly don't see any waspinator in this head

sculpt? I don't know the nose part the nose and

mouth. It looks like it reminds me a waspinator

Yeah, for me it looks more like some sort of

mask that someone flying at high altitudes would

wear more so. It looks more like just fighter

pilot gear than anything. I mean, that's not

a mouth there to me. Oh, no, no, no. Not Watchmen.

Quickstrike, sorry. Oh, Quickstrike. I could

kind of see Quickstrike. As far as like... Yeah.

Like I was in the mouth. Sorry. I was thinking

the quick strike and I go you're saying although

honestly star scream even though it's not the

similar he gives me more of a quick straight

five than BB does just because of his proportions

and just the Overall design head sculpt. He feels

like he'd be more of a quick strike type Well,

but I haven't seen the original Beast Wars 2

anime so I don't really know how these characters

are done other than the fact that I guess B .B.

is like Starscream and B .B. like they always

work together and Starscream's like the brains

of the operation and B .B.'s the guy who goes

Roger and obeys his buddies orders. Well Starscream,

looking at his head sculpt here, he's a black

prime. Yes, yes. Again, it's a repurposing of

molds. It's not G1 Starscream. It wasn't G1 Starscream

in the show. It was a different character named

Starscream. Yeah And it was originally actually

this was originally mirage. No. No, it was originally

smoke screen actually It was Decepticon known

as Smokescreen. And what was actually cool is

the guy who went on to do a lot of the, I think

it was the Binaltech fiction that he did later

on. But like some of his, he did some, no, no,

it was at least the guy who did the linkage manga.

This was official stuff for Transformers Armada

Energon. He did some fiction with the mini cons

and this was in Japan. He way way back in there

in the 90s He did a fan comic like a doujin Japanese

fan comics Which was generation two based and

he actually did a pretty clever job But we're

like smoke screen gets killed early on and he

was gonna bring smoke screen back like resurrected

by a vector Sigma as a decepticon Mm -hmm. Oh

That sounds interesting but Yeah, it's neat read

if you look it up online so yeah Yeah, they're

good figures and don't they have a combined mode

Yes, they kind of do actually that's one thing

too with BB. He's actually got he's actually

a triple changer believe it or not So despite

being that stealth bomber you probably saw on

the page I linked you but yeah, I saw that the

little tank mode thing. Yeah Yeah, like basically

Starscream slots into the back and it forms a

more complete stealth bomber And then you pull

them and then when you pull Starscream out he'll

deploy into the tankload Yeah, that's pretty

awesome though So, um anything else we want to

discuss? I'm gonna touch briefly, I guess, on

a couple of the movie toys I just got like Hailstorm

and Tomahawk. Hailstorm, well, he's gonna get

repainted in a mindset later on. He's a pretty

cool design. He actually reminds me a lot of

Bulkhead in how his robot mode looks. Just the

green figure, just the types of proportions he

has. He's got the two pauldrons on his shoulders

there. And Tomahawk, meanwhile, is one of those

figures that is an absolutely phenomenal one,

but there is only one thing that I don't like

about him, and that is the fact that he is not

spinister. Like Hasbro, you had better give us

a spinister repaint of this guy. Seriously, it's

the same alt mode, the robot mode looks really

similar, and in robot mode you can even stick

the propeller blades up the same way that you

could on G1 spinister and they'll stay. I don't

even know who the character is, so I wouldn't

know. I'm just saying, I can't form an opinion

either way, but as far as Tomahawk goes, He does

look very very awesome And as I said before just

He's awesome, but he's not awesome enough to

be in my collection I know it sounds bad, but

Yeah, that's spinister there so yeah, I still

if if he's not in cartoon continuity, I don't

know him Yeah, fair enough. He was like a B C

Lister. Like at the time he appeared, he was

probably a B Lister in the comics. Yeah, he almost

looks like a weird... Like his robot mode kind

of reminds me of like a crumpled up Soundwave

cassette. I don't know why it just does. Probably

the colors? Yeah, probably the colors and plus

the... The his little parts things his hair splitter

and sting thing or whatever Yeah, if you want

to take a look at the box art like it looks a

lot cooler. So then the toy Yeah, oh, yeah, the

box art looks awesome But yeah, you see that's

that's another thing. I mean we could go on you

know I could probably have an episode discussing

box art versus actual toys, and I mean really

like One of the things that I was really disappointed

with was the box art versus the actual toy of

punch counter punch and i know they're going

off the uh... this uh... some streaker side so

i have more than all that that's it just i mean

this really does it doesn't like to even split

apart who punch counterpunches no you know the

original sorry i'm going back to spinster here

on the original i don't think so i don't know

if they did because i mean that they they look

like they should but in the picture they don't

uh... It's probably one of those cases with G1

toys which you got a lot where the legs didn't

actually split. Well see, that's funny that you

mention that because the only G1 toy that I have

that's kind of like this or this type of size

scale is Astro Train, the original Astro Train.

And at first when I used to transform him as

a kid, I never thought his legs split apart.

And then I found out one day, oh, they split

apart. That's what I'm wondering is if you look

at this picture that you've given me here He

does have two separate legs and it goes into

this little helicopter cockpit thing where his

legs are so you would think that That there's

a line there that that his legs would split apart,

but I know it doesn't look like they do Yeah,

half the reason I want spinnister mind you is

because of the fact that we're getting a Thunderwing

toy And he was among Thunderwing's posse, so.

Very cool. But yeah, I mean, that's a decent

figure. And I guess one non -toy thing that I

got as well is I got a new HD webcam. So I'm

hoping to, once I get a review area set up properly,

I'll be able to do some really nice reviews with

that thing. Yeah, the last video you had was

like TFCon day one. Yeah, I actually just posted

something where recently where I was just fiddling

around with the camera and just focus Yeah, yeah,

I saw that I saw that And also if you for war

for Cybertron toys if you really want more what

I would suggest is get the perfect effect Rumble

and Frenzy Because they're in scale with that

they're in scale with everyone else plus they

look like they have a very similar aesthetic

I guess but Hasbro is putting those out though.

Oh yeah, the new Rumble and Frenzy. Plus for

all the whiners about scale, if you take a look

at Matt Booker's analysis, thanks to Hasbro having

their 3mm pegs on everything now, you can actually

do accurate scale measurements with just pictures.

so he basically took them took a picture of straxes

took a picture of another figure with three millimeter

pegs and then he scaled them all up he scaled

them all up around the three millimeter pegs

to figure out how big they are and they're like

basically they're they're tall scouts basically

Yeah, so they'll be very in pretty good scale

plus that was about plus much as they were shrimps

on the cartoon and You know, they were like mini

-con size in the actual comics. They were more

along the lines of like Scout large scouts. Yeah

compared to other guys. I'm gonna say this Anytime

that anyone talks about Renzi frenzy and rumble

on on this show or any other geek cast radio

network shows I'm going to constantly go back

to this I want Masterpiece Soundwave with Masterpiece

Cassettes. And I would completely agree with

you. The problem with doing Masterpiece Soundwave

and Masterpiece Cassettes is you would have to

then go do Blaster and Masterpiece Blaster Cassettes

as well. But think about the fact that for Takara

Tomi, cassettes would be awesome because then

you could sell the cassettes as add -on sets.

And then you have eHobby repaints of the cassettes.

As long as... And I know, I'm not going to start

the whole debate, but see for me, Rumble is purple,

Frenzy is red. Yes, yes, or or rumble is technically

if you look at the g1 cartoon hell if you look

at the 86 movie technically rumble is purplish

blue, but I call I like to refer to him as purple

and Frenzy is technically black and red. He's

mostly black more than red so I mean technically

rumble is purple frenzy is black Yes, although

honestly, I still go I'm waiting for Hasbro to

troll us with that rumble frenzy just with the

idea of not actually saying which one is which.

Yeah, I know. I know. Even though we all know

that it's really the rumble is the red one according

to Hasbro because every single rumble toy that

Hasbro has put it has been red and black. Yeah,

I know. It's funny, you know, we were talking

about frenzy here a little bit, but it's funny.

Michael Wilson seems to think that in Beast Machines...

You've seen Beast Machines, right? Yes. In Beast

Machines, when Night Scream is telling his story...

Oh, Soundwave is in there? And we see the fact

that he runs out from behind Soundwave, Michael

Wilson seems to think Frenzy got turned into

Night Scream. That's actually an interesting

fan theory. I mean, we know Soundwave is there

because they had his CGI model from Beastforce,

so they just reused it. But I won't disagree

with you. I think I've heard that fan theory

before. No, no, I guess Rabbat wouldn't work

personality -wise. Well, Rabbat wouldn't work

because... Ratbat wasn't a robot with legs. I

mean, you know, and the whole point of Night

Scream was that he scanned the bat DNA from the

cave. True, that's true. Plus, Ratbat was probably

off busy accounting or something. Ratbat is the

Hermes Conrad of the Decepticons. Oh boy. Wow.

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