Transformers Generations News & Toy Display Showcase

Cliffjumper, commence countdown! Five, four,

three... Wow, that's crazy. Oh, whatever you

just said there. That's crazy. Oh It's loose

it's a piece of shit I squeeze and I squeeze

and it just ain't coming out Hello and welcome

to the 80th episode of toy cast I'm your host

you join Mike and I'm joined once again by a

peak on court Michael hello, sir I Love doing

that to people I Just I love doing that to people

because it gets a really really great weird off

-the -wall out of context intro I'm not sure

how far back that way Oh, it didn't go back to

the first time you said it, but yeah, no. No,

not at all. The thing about it is the best random

intros are the ones that have no freaking context.

I find those just confusing. No, but it's supposed

to be a random clip. You know, Rattrap's saying,

oh, for the love of Gouda or whatever, you know.

Which he does entirely too much in Beast Machines.

All the friggin' cheese references piss me off.

Well, he is a rat. I know, but... Anyway. So

how are you, sir? You haven't been on the show

for about 10 episodes, actually. The last time

you were on the show was episode 70. Yeah, I

used to be on all the time. And then I got fat

and lazy. I ain't got lazy. You got lazy. Wow.

that's what I said, I got lazy. I didn't say

you, I mean, you've been doing this for 80 episodes,

you can't be that lazy. 80 plus episodes if you

count all the .5s and the, god, I don't even,

the .5s, all the special discussions and all

that crap, so it's more than that, but I kinda

have to be here, I'm the host, so. It's like,

you can't have a show without the one that is

supposed to be recording it, so. It's like we're

going to steal your podcast and you can't do

anything about it That guy yeah, he's lazy as

hell That's right. He always says read my blog

post damn it, and then he doesn't blog post anything

oh man this has been one just busy ass week i

recorded i've been recording since last sunday

afternoon i recorded sunday afternoon with this

week in geeks nerd news and then sunday night

with an episode of tune cast um monday night

with Steve and Kevin, we did a Geekcast Radio

episode about the hub. Did anybody mention the

fact that you gotta pay extra to get it? Well,

it's one of those things where I've said, because

I just have basic, what they call here at the

cable company here, it's basic classic, which

is channels 2 through 99. I've said if it's not

on those channels. I'm not going broke just to

have digital cable just to have the hub I'm not

you know and the main thing that I tied into

is that I have Generation 1 DVDs I have B stores

DVDs I get that it's great that the hub has all

this other like The 1966 Batman show hasn't been

on TV since the 80s as far as I know You know,

so I think it's great for that, but I mean, just

for Transformers Prime, no, I'm not spending

over $100 for cable services a month. Right,

and here we get 200 channels for basic cable,

which has, you know, our Syfy channel and our

Disney channel, and that's, you know, TLC, that

type of thing that we want to watch, but the

hub is on the 250. And yeah, and it's like, you

know, is it worth it to me to spend another additional

$20 a month? You know when to be honest, I could

probably download it for free off the internet

15 minutes after it airs, you know, I'm not I'm

not sure if that's really worth it. I would like

to see Oh Adam West Batman, you know, that would

be awesome. I wouldn't mind seeing you know Episode

or two of strawberry shortcake or palm puppies

for nostalgia purposes Yeah, but the problem

is not the same shows Go back and listen, I don't

think you I don't know if you're subscribed in

iTunes to the geek cast radio flagship show Go

back, subscribe, or listen to it online on our

website. In episode 18, when we covered The Hub,

The Pound Puppies Show, and Strawberry Shortcake

Show, and My Little Pony Show, they're all brand

new incarnations. And they all suck. Well, do

they really suck? I'm just going off of what

Kevin told us. You know, Kevin is no longer a

12 year old girl, so I'm not sure if it's...

The same audience well true, but I mean he is

an 80s buff and these shows did come from the

80s So I mean it's one of those things where

you know it's not quite But anyway, um what kills

me though is that it's not gonna be competing

with You know discovery kids or the Disney Channel

or The Cartoon Network on on an even keel Mainly

because, you know, they're in that 250 channel

bracket or whichever one. I think most people

have to pay more to see it. So I don't think

they're going to get quite the audience that

a cartoon network would get, even though they

have all this new material and new content. And

most likely it's probably a lot of good stuff.

Well, it can't really compete with Discovery

Kids since it became what Discovery Kids was.

Yeah, exactly. little babies and stuff. You still

have children's network programming. Just because

Discovery Kids is no longer there and it's the

hub doesn't mean that you don't have other children's

programming elsewhere. Plus, the hub is still

maintaining a majority of the Discovery Kids

previous series. I mean, the only one that comes

to my mind is Trading Spaces, Boys vs. Girls.

but i mean it's the only one that i can think

of just off the top of my head so you know it's

not like they're destroying children's educational

programming on television you know you ruined

it forever but uh... yeah uh... where else were

you what else were you talking about uh... i

don't remember he got off topic somewhere along

the way but uh... yeah i just wanted to rant

a little bit on the hub I'm not going to pay

extra money for it. Yeah, exactly. And like I

said, I'm most likely to be able to get the new

Transformers and the new GI Joe off the internet

without too much issue. So I'm not really interested

in doing that. Now, if it were free for me, if

it were sitting alongside Disney Channel or PBS

Kids, Yeah, we'd be watching it all the time.

Yeah, which is something I don't understand.

I mean, I get that because, you know, if you

look at a lot of these networks like Discovery,

what's another network that has like branches

and branches of channels? Lifetime just comes

to mind. A &E has A &E, Bravo, and whatever other

network that A &E is. I mean these television

companies that have multiple channels like a

network, it's a network of television channels,

I don't understand why that those channels can't

be in just, you know, whatever the, you know,

especially a kids programming channel. Why isn't

it in the basic classic or just, you know, the

generic, you know, two to ninety -nine package

that makes no sense because you're gonna put

it up against You know, all of the other premium...

I guess it's premium versus premium, which sucks.

But, whatever. Not entirely sure of the intricacies

of television programming. Yeah, I don't know.

All I know is that I'm not feeling it for the

Hub right now because, you know, they've already

started at a disadvantage. Yup. Yup, yup. Let's

see. Oh, I know where we got off track. I was

going through my week of scheduling here. And

then Tuesday night I recorded episode 76 of Tooncast.

Didn't do anything. Did I do anything? No. And

then Thursday, obviously, we had Beast Unleashed

and now we're doing this and I've got like three

records Saturday, four records Sunday. I need

to be getting paid for this, dammit. Well, you

know, I'm not sure if it's ignorance or apathy,

but I don't know and I don't care. Shut up. Oh

crap. So we have some toy news here I guess we

can kind of cover. They showed apparently S250

who has never had an incorrect rumor. um... his

little rumor of uh... a green car being generations

cup apparently that was true and we have a bunch

of images of new generation stuff yeah from what

i've heard uh... somebody at a chinese factory

just decided to post pictures of all of the uh...

transformers united And the United line is what

the Japanese are calling their generations line.

So we're calling them generations, they're calling

them United. And all the stuff that's coming

out in the next, I don't know, six to nine months

has now been leaked. Yup. So, you know, their

loss is our gain. Someone ought to get fired

over this, to be honest. You know, I mean I know

how they try to keep this stuff secret especially

cup I mean like there's stuff that they showed

us at BotCon. They showed us tracks and wreck

are and Lug nut we saw pictures of lug nut and

jazz Perceptor, you know, but they didn't show

us cup. I mean nobody had any idea that was coming

And I think the G2 Optimus Prime, Laser Optimus

Prime, they didn't show any pictures of that,

so that's like the big news now too. Yeah. So

let's talk about Cup for a moment here. I really

like the way that they're going to do this guy

because his alt mode, if you look at the picture,

I don't think I've ever seen a transformer pickup

truck. You have well, I mean look at I Want to

say most recently there was top kick he was a

purple decepticon for The revenge of the following

line. Oh and then after that he they repainted

him and I forget what they named him. So I mean

there's at least two pick -up trucks. The third

pick -up truck is Alternators Optimus Prime,

who almost didn't get made in Japan because the

Japanese don't drive pick -up trucks. Okay, so

there are, but I guess what I mean to say is

more, I don't think outside of like the old G1

Cup, which wasn't, I don't think really was an

actual pick -up truck, we've never really seen

Cup in a pick -up truck form. No, that 1986 line,

none of those looked very much like real -world

vehicles. Yeah, and this looks really awesome.

I mean, in my opinion, that's kind of where Transformers

kind of started going downhill, is when they

dropped die -cast metal and real -world alt modes.

Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, but this, yeah, getting

back to Generations Cup, the truck mode does

look cool. I mean, it looks like a newer truck.

Yeah. It's kind of like a short bed, though.

It's almost like... I'm not entirely sure what

kind of car it would be but it's like half of

a car and then they slapped on you know kind

of a tiny half bed on the back yeah so it's different

but you know he's got that that swept back hood

that the original cup had and he's roughly the

same color yeah he is he's kind of got that like

grayish teal going on It's nice. I mean it is

a nod to the original. Oh, yeah He's got roughly.

I don't want to say roughly the same head The

head is more stylized toward his comic book appearances.

Yeah And but the only thing that really bothers

me about him is He's got these big wheels hanging

off his shoulders. Yeah, that does kind of look

kind of frumpy It's a little distracting. I mean,

I think I'd like it better if they fold it back

behind him. So you couldn't see him Mean, you

know, I kind of can see from the way he transforms

that there's not a whole lot they could do about

that. Yeah But you know, and then he's got great

big legs. Yeah But yeah, the original cup had

little scrawny little legs Let me see if I can

find them in my Looking in my cabinet here see

if I can find him Describe him a little bit,

but all right offhand. I don't see him. I think

he's standing behind defense or ah Which as you

can imagine will make him very hard to open.

Oh, there he is. Okay. Yeah, so the original

one Yeah, his head does look like that. That's

funky I'll have to post pictures of him somewhere,

but he's got a little scrawny little arms and

like these stick like yeah Yeah, so I mean here

this cup. He's a You know, I like the truck And

I like the fact that they were kind of shooting

for a cup -esque head. But the robot mode is

not quite cup. I think he looks good in both

modes. I don't really have any complaints with

either one. I need to see a more close -up picture

of the actual face to actually make a better

opinion of the head. Which is strange that they

didn't put one in here because they have, amongst

these other images, they have one of Perceptor

up close. And you can clearly see his head, but

they don't have one for Cup, which is kind of

strange, but whatever. Well, the question I have

is, you know that they're starting to come out

with molds that have two heads. They're actually

including a second head in the mold. Once they

originally do the the figure they can go with

one head and then when they do the eventual repaint

they can go with a different head and You know,

they're gonna you know, they're gonna do that

with perceptor. Oh, yeah, and they're gonna they're

gonna read repaint him as reflector. Oh No Yeah,

he's gonna be reflector tracks is gonna get repainted

and I forget who is getting repainted as he's

got a different head. I've already seen pictures

of him. Oh, no, no, no, no. Um, um, we were just

talking about him to, uh, Swarp? Wheeljack. Oh,

Wheeljack. Yeah. Wheeljack is a retooled version

of Traxx. Yeah. Yeah. So, so Traxx is getting

repainted. Um, who else here? You know, I it

would be a complete layup to redo jazz as a ricochet

Oh, yeah, which they'll probably end up doing.

I know straxas has a new head and he's gonna

get It was a skull. Yeah skull grain. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, so the question becomes Who are they gonna

repaint cup as the question also becomes who

the hell are they gonna repaint retgar as? Retgar

is not gonna get Well, I'm not sure if it's he's

not gonna get a repaint. He's got a different

head they have the goatee version and then they

have the I'm not sure if it's the mustache version

or the non goatee version, but they've got at

least two different heads. I'm not sure if those

are gonna be You know repainted or just the same

paint or what but I know they have two separate

heads It's it's still gonna be right here. It's

just gonna be a different record. Yeah I love

jazz. Jazz is awesome. The reason why I love

this jazz is because he has speakers. Yeah, the

speakers are cool. I've seen, I forget if it's

a sticker or just a little piece of plastic upgrade

kit or something, but I've seen speakers for

G1 jazz. Where you can actually put the little

speakers in the back and they kind of rest You

know in his hatchback or in robot mode it'll

be kind of in his legs But you know, I think

it is stickers. I think it's on Repro labels

now that I think about it But it looks like there's

little speakers in the back Kind of a neat thing.

Yeah, but but now hey actual speakers that pop

up. Yeah, that's awesome Which makes me wonder

if maybe they'll replace that with missiles or

something for ricochet could be The perceptor

thing I'm glad he's not a microscope, but I don't

know if I really like the whole truck tank all

thing Well, you know where they got that or at

least where I think they got that what is transformers

animated Transformers animated perceptor Transformed

into a trial. Oh, that's right. Okay, and I believe

the pictures of him were in the all -spark almanac

See, I haven't got the second volume yet. I need

to get on that Well, I said maybe they weren't

no I thought that I thought it was but the The

truck that he turned into had tried okay. Well

That's fine. Um lug nut it's just another repaint

a lug nut No, it's a new look It looks good Yeah,

I think he's not quite bulky enough no, he's

not not at all Yeah, I don't think he's quite

Big enough cuz you think you know when I think

of him. I almost think of lug nut It's like Hulk

-like proportions, you know, where he's got this

huge upper body, these huge arms, and these little

tiny legs. You know, whereas this new lug nut

has this huge upper body, little scrawny little

arms, you know, that look like, you know, they

kind of, it's kind of turned his scrawny little

wings into, or I should say his long skinny wings

turned into arms. And I'm just not... as happy

with that, as much as I would be if he had these,

you know, huge British arms. Yeah. Well, it's

no secret that I've never really been a fan of

Luck Nuts, so... Well, I've always liked Luck

Nuts, but, you know... It should've been Astro

Train. Astro... What's with Astro Train? We're

always together. It should've been Astro Train.

Okay, fine. I'll buy that astro train would rule.

That's right But you know, there's an awful lot

of fans that need appeasing like there's an awful

lot of hurt feelings after the end of Transformers

animated and this is just one of the one of those

nods, you know, we get we get a lug nut we get

a lockdown we get Yeah, well those two at least

There was another one I hadn't in mind and I

forget who it was. I really like the lockdown

figure. That turned out, I mean, it looks like

a real world version of lockdown. This one just

looks like a real world version of Lugnut and

they can easily repaint him as Atomic Lugnut.

Yeah, they could. I guess moving on here to Wheeljack

which as you said is well he looks like he's

a basic repaint of tracks, but I don't know because

His car mode looks like it's retooled a little

bit because I don't remember the pictures of

tracks having that like front Yeah, he's got

like a new hood spoiler or front, I don't know,

front frame. Yeah, there you go, fender. Yeah,

there you go. That worked. Is the fender on the

sides? That might be... He's got something new.

But the thing about the picture series, they

don't show him using his missiles. You're not...

Because Trax has missiles. Well, it looks like

the missile is on the bottom, like right under

the door. in the car mode. Right, but I'm talking

about the wheel jack picture, the gray resin

picture. The missile on wheel jacket looks like

in the car mode that it's under the door. Yeah,

I see what you're talking about. You know what's

weird? If you look at the picture of Wheeljack,

you can see he's got like the sticks in his hands,

and they kind of look like he's holding wrenches,

but those little semi -circles on the ends, those

are actually clips. The new Transformers they're

coming out with, their weapons clip on to bars.

so you'll like uh where's the one i just opened

he's uh i put him away already um it's revenge

of the fallen breacher oh yeah i saw i saw a

video review with him yeah i don't like breacher

he's hard he's hard breacher sucks way too hard

to transform for such a little guy but the whole

top turret is his gun and it clips onto a bar

yeah there's like a little plastic bar there

and this clip You know snaps on it so it's made

so you can pull it on and off, you know But and

it's also made so that you can transfer it to

other transformers who have that bar You know,

so they're made standard almost like, you know

standardized gun Handle pegs, right? So You know

You know iron hide has them breacher has them.

I know the the new straxas or dark mount, you

know toy has them And it looks like now this

guy's got him too. Yeah I'm not sure how long

this gimmick is gonna last but I can't wait to

see actual color pictures of this guy because

he looks awesome as a gray resin, but I want

I want to see better be You better be green and

red Don't you mean white green red? Well, yeah,

yeah You know cuz it's like they had a Don't

know if I want to go into this right now, but

they actually had a a Figure I want to say in

their model line who had a wheel jack head But

they named him down shift instead and he was

painted like wheel jack He had a head like we'll

do and and his name was down shift It's been

a long time coming that we actually get a wheel

jack with the right head the right colors. Yeah

Armada had a wheel jack character and it's like

why didn't they name the guy who looks like Wheeljack

Wheeljack yeah that's kind of a slap in the face

so generations laser optimus prime or whatever

they're calling I don't even know what the hell

they're calling him I guess I don't know G2 prime

G2 actually had like three primes yeah So, what

do you think of this one? Four, if you count

the go -bots. Go -bots are evil, go -bots are

ugly, they need to die. Go -bots was a subline

in G2 though, so technically four. You know,

I really like Laser Optimus Prime. Really, really

like him. And when they reissued him, just recently,

Ice I passed on because you know, I already own

one, right? But but I know that in Japan they

repainted laser optimus prime the reissue as

ultra Magnus So, you know, I probably will be

buying This the g2 optimus prime remake But I'll

probably buy two of them when they eventually

repaint him as ultra Magnus And then, you know,

they're going to repaint him again in black and

teal because the first black optimists that was,

or I should say the first, you know, black and

teal optimists that was ever released was skirt

from the RID. And now they do it with every one

of them. So it's like, you know, they're going

to do it. I'm going to buy that one. And when

they, when they repaint him in white and blue,

I'm going to buy that one too. The only problem

I have with them right now is just the color

scheme that we've seen so far It doesn't really

look like it's finished because you know the

hood is all black It's got black and white panels

on it when I think it really should just be a

straight blue Yeah, could be but I'm gonna buy

it anyway I'm assuming I don't You know completely

jump the tracks and quit collecting transformers

altogether. I'll most likely buy one And what

about Scourge? I like Scourge. I know some people

are upset because he's not a giant surfboard.

But I like him specifically because he's not

a giant surfboard. I don't like that. Again,

when you look at the 86 toys, they didn't have

real world counterparts. And Scourge is just...

a glaring, glaring example of that. But here,

I mean, at least he's got like a flying wing,

kind of a stealth bomber look to him, right?

And if you look close, I'm not sure if this is

just the picture or what, but it kind of almost

looks like he has one wing that's kind of bumpy

and mutated. And I want to say that's an homage

to the episode where he gets a hold of the Matrix

and tries to stuff it into himself. That would

be a burden hardest to bear. Hmm, I don't remember

the exact name, but yeah, I mean I like the face

sculpt I like the fact that you know in in vehicle

mode he can actually pop his head up like he

did in the cartoons Hmm interesting Yeah, it's

neat. I mean you know I think they did a really

good Yeah, it's nice homage to the original.

I mean at least this one looks like G1 Scourge

in robot mode It's like if you look at cup, it's

like yeah, his head kind of looks like that and

he's the right color And he does transform into

a pickup truck. So I guess that's copper but

this one, you know He the the robot mode Looks

very similar. His arms are a little barrel -ish,

you know, I can understand that yeah Other than

that, you know in the giant shoulders, but he

looks a lot like g1 scourge I mean even the vehicle

mode. I mean if you if you say well You can't

possibly be a surfboard because that would be

lame or a big flying bathtub because that would

be even lamer But you know he can be you know

an elongated stealth bomber I Will forgive them

that I did Yes It makes you wonder what they're

gonna repaint him as yeah, really You know what?

You know what I wish they would do? I don't think

they will do this since we already got a ROTF

Mindwipe, but repaint him as Mindwipe. Mindwipe?

Yeah. Have a Stealth Bomber Mindwipe? I was tempted

to go the BotCon 09 route and repaint him a slightly

lighter color scheme and call him the Sweeps.

Oh. Yeah, you can do that. And then you can have

an army. Yeah, there you go, that works. His

armada. The sweeps. That would rule. I would

actually buy more than one. Hasbro, you evil

bastards. Taking all my money. Let's move on

to the display case. I guess I'll go first and

I'm going to be talking about what... I don't

know. I thought he was going to be cool when

I first got the... I bought the... This is a

while ago. I've had this for a while. This was

about a couple months ago. When BBTS first got

the Sons of Cybertron animated set in, obviously

I bought it just for Rodimus. And I know that

the Optimus that came with the 2 -pack is basically

a full color crystal clear version of the battle

damage 2 -pack Optimus. And I'm so glad I missed

out on the 2 -pack Optimus because this thing

is easily the worst toy, Transformers toy I've

had in a long time. This mold sucks because this

mold apparently has been used so many times that

As soon as I got him out of the box, I couldn't

even get him to stand up and he would keep falling

over and falling over and falling over and falling

over. I had to basically have him stand up with

his leg halfway twisted to the right and his

other leg almost up his ass. I mean, it's just...

And like when I was trying to transform him into

truck mode, I got it. Majority of the way it

didn't really work and then one of the freaking

uh Smoke stack that pieces of shit thing popped

off, and I can't get it back in the hole And

I actually don't know where it is now it was

on my desk here somewhere, but I don't know where

it is now you know I had I want to say two of

that two pack and I open one just to play with

it and That that's a that's just a crappy crappy

toy. We're talking about the same one here, right?

This is the one that rotates at the at the waist

Yeah, this is the deluxe of this is the deluxe

mode earth mode optimus prime except This is

the crystal clear version that came at the Sun's

Cybertron animated to back And when I was trying

to transform him into truck mode, I'm like, okay.

Well the Voyager legs they they come up they

don't come apart but the wheel is why the hell

are there two this thing has four wheels on its

leg what what the hell on each leg it has two

wheels and I'm thinking why the hell are there

two wheels on the leg I'm actually at a bit of

a loss because I was looking in my cabinet to

see if I could find mine and you can't and I

I don't see it but I know he was crappy. I played

with him for a little while and said, you know,

this mold really bites. The problem I had, I

had him on my desk for a long time, is that he's

got like a lever that you can push to make him

spin. But there's nothing that makes him lock

in place. So I mean, his whole upper body would

kind of like rotate back and forth. Exactly.

Look at the camera. Look at the camera. Oh, there

you are. I see your face. It has two wheels on

the... Why the hell does it have two wheels on

a fucking leg? That makes no sense. Oh, I don't

know. I mean, see? It's got two wheels on...

Two wheels, one leg. That makes no damn sense

whatsoever. I don't know. Hey, you got a haircut.

Yeah, I've had... Don't you watch my YouTube

videos? I've had a haircut for months. I hate

your YouTube videos. No, you don't. You need

to watch my Beast Wars, uh, Cheetor Puggleformer

video. Oh, I do. Yeah. See? Anyways. You should

have called Cali header dialing on that one too.

But yeah, I mean, this is easily... I don't know

if it's a quality control issue or what, but

this is easily the worst Optimus Prime animated

mold ever. No, it's just a really crappy mold.

I didn't like it. And you know in the two -pack

that I got the Megatron that it came with Turns

into a green tank he sees so so but he's got

that same rotating swivel thing going on with

his arm Yeah, I don't like the deluxe Megatron

because it's a Cybertronian mode thing. I don't

like that. I when it comes to animated I prefer

the earth mode Megatron The deluxe Cybertronian

mode, wasn't that part of the 2 pack? Oh, no,

no, you're talking about the one that came in

your 3 pack? No. That's Galvatron. No, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no The one that I don't like from animated

the Megatron that I don't like from animated

is the Cybertronian deluxe class mold The one

where he looks like some sort of weird Cybertronian

jet Yeah, I don't like that one But anyway, yeah

What picture? Mine? Technical difficulties ladies

and gentlemen I know. Alright, I'm gonna turn

him around a little bit. Let me see his front.

Wait a minute, that's a... Okay, actually, that's

an animated Prime. Yeah. Oh, that's not the one

I thought you were talking about. Yeah. No, I

like that Prime. No, no, no, this is - What's

wrong with that Prime? Huh? So what's wrong with

that Prime? Uh, he's completely loose. No, see,

you know what I thought you were talking about?

They have a Sons of Cybertron set. It's not the

animated set, it's the classic set. Right, no,

I'm talking about the animated set. That's what

I've said. Oh no, yeah. That one had a Classics

Rodimus, who was clear, as well as the Classics...

Right. They came in a two -pack with with the

Megatron and that Megatron turned into a green

I was talking about this this cup. Yeah. No,

that's the animated Yeah, this comes from the

battle. I kept saying throughout this whole show

so far. I've said the battle begins to back This

is this is what that comes from Okay, this mold

is the only like clean mold because you can see

on his waist. He doesn't have he doesn't have

battle damage Okay So the other - But this one

doesn't have a swivel here. I'm telling you about

the swivel gimmick. He doesn't have a swivel

gimmick. Yes he does. Let me see. I - Fuck. Make

it happen. Fucking toy. You and your ham -fist.

What are you doing? Shaking it? Shake, shake,

shake. Shut up. It does swi - Fucking thing.

Oh, man! Just toss it over my shoulder. Fucking

toy. Yeah. So for the non -viewing audience who

can't see what he just did, I was appalled. My

heart just left out of my chest. You know, just

flippantly tosses Optimus over his shoulder.

Yeah, exactly. Anyways, um, no. Just so we're

clear for the listening audience here, I am talking

about the Transformers Animated Sons of Cybertron

Crystal Rodimus and Optimus 2 -pack. The Optimus

Prime that is in that 2 -pack is from the Animated

Battle Begins Optimus Megatron 2 -pack. This

mold sucks donkey balls It does this is the loosest

optimus prime I have ever had and it just The

damn thing almost fell apart in my hand as soon

as I got it out of the box Yes Want to say he's

the Voyager. He's the ones got like the squirt

cannon Yeah, that's the Voyager that has the

squirt cannon. Yeah, and then I've got the little

The one I've got in my hand now is the Cybertron

mode right and I really like him This is a nice

figure, but I can't quite find the one that you're

talking about He might be buried way in the back

of my cabinet. I just don't seem yes a lot of

these all fell over in the front Yeah, the Cybertronian

Cybertronian mode, uh, Transformers animated

Optimus Prime kicks ass. He's nice. Anyway, I

put him way back in the back of my cabin. So

moving right along, so you have this Optimus

figure that you don't like. I'm really surprised

because honestly, I haven't seen too many Transformers

animated figures that I didn't like. Some of

them can be a little difficult because it's like...

peeling an onion to get them untransformed and

then putting the onion back together in a different

shape, like blur or lockdown. But, you know,

for the most part they're very satisfying toys.

Yeah, this one wasn't. And let's be honest, really,

the only reason why anyone's gonna get that Sons

of Cybertron animated set is for a crystal clear

Rodimus. I mean, let's be honest, people. Optimus

Prime in that 2 -pack doesn't mean shit. You

know, I really like clear Rodimuses. I don't

own nearly enough. And by that I don't think

I own any. By the time they started making clear

Rodimuses, I quit importing from Japan. The first

one I can remember was the clear Bendy Prime

from the Armada series. They had a deluxe class

Optimus Prime because the leader class Prime

was a brick. It was a horrible toy. But they

came out with a smaller version, the nickname

Bendy Prime, because he was just really well

articulated. It was a really nice toy. They repainted

him like a dozen times. But in Japan, they had

a clear version of it. And it was just really

nice. And I always wanted one and didn't get

one. And now every time they've come up with

an Optimus, he's clear. and black and blue and

white you know and now they actually have a gray

one so it's like I'm dead optimist well you know

what the one that I want them to come out with

constantly now we always have constant black

primes I want constant purple primes you want

shattered glass primes? yeah you know if I think

that whoever owns you know the rights It's a

bot con what ultimately it's gonna be right Hasbro,

but you know I think Hasbro would have to license

that back from fun pub. Yeah I'm not sure how

that would work because they own the rights to

You know Transformers, but they may not own the

rights to shatter glass which sucks You were

just showing me the picture erotimus, that's

a nice toy I've got, yeah, I've got the US version

of Transformers Animated Rodimus, and I like

him. You know, he's not the end -all be -all,

but I do dig him. I mean, you know, he's Rodimus.

The Animated Rodimus, whether it's the US version

or this Crystal version, to me, is the end -all

be -all because he is the only toy that I can

really think of that does not have a backpack.

I mean he's got the thing back it but I mean

look I mean there's no bulk on him whatsoever.

Oh No, I don't think many of the animated toys

do yeah I mean some of them, you know, they'll

have a Car hood or something for a chest, but

they're supposed to that's that's that's what

they look like, you know They're pretty good

about kibble. Ah, hey look at there. He's adorable

So we still have the camera on and Mike is showing

me yeah, anyways, what are you gonna be talking

about this evening? Actually, I wanted to talk

about Revenge of the Fallen swerve, okay, and

the thing about swerve, you know swerve is kind

of like You know jazz in in in my mind, you know

not because they're Identical characters they

look the same or you know they act the same But

it swerve is one of those characters that I have

every incarnation of So it's like every time

they come out with a new character called swerve.

I have to own it It's kind of like jazz every

time they come out with a new character called

jazz. I have to own it I've got I mean, especially

if they do a g1 homage repaint. Yeah I mean if

it looks like g1 jazz if it's white you must

have it with the red and the blue stripes and

the big four on it. I own it. I love that deco.

And, you know, Swerve, in G1, he was just a little

minibot, you know, red and white. But, you know,

I like that red motif. And every once in a while,

pretty much every line, you know, they'll come

out with a new vehicle, they'll paint it red

and they'll call it Swerve. So, here's my dilemma.

I don't buy a lot of Revenge of the Fallen toys.

You know, the only ones that I've got are gonna

be the ones that are painted up like G1 homages.

Or combiners. Or toasters. Or toasters, yeah.

You know what, let's just say I own a lot of

them. But I'm not gonna go nutcase completionist

on them. Because number one, I don't want to

devote more than one cabinet shelf to them. And

number two, because I just don't like the way

they look. I'm not a big fan of Bayformers. I

just don't dig it. A lot of the scout classes

don't look like Bayformers. They have weird -looking

faces. But aside from that, they could fit in

with other lines pretty well. Not animated, of

course, but some other lines they would look

good in. You know some of them even would fit

in nicely with the classics especially again

when they're g1 repaints, but swerve is one of

those he's a g1 repaint, so it's like I'm gonna

break down and buy him and Oddly enough when

I bought him Revenge of the fallen a side swipe

was on clearance for like seven bucks, and they're

the same mold so I went ahead and bought him,

too so Vicious cycle It is and it never stops.

It's it's a sickness, you know and and I don't

know it I just How should I put it At first I

was like no I'm not gonna buy any movie toys

and now that I have I keep making up excuses

to buy them It's like oh this jazz is in g1 colors

or you know, this side swipe is painted up like

g1 swerve You know, he's red, you know, sure.

A while back, to digress a little bit, I actually

wrote up a blog post about, at the time it was

a 2008 BotCon, and they were creating a shattered

glass blur, and I was all excited because the

mold that they had used that for was the same

one as Cybertron Blur, which is the same one

that they repainted as Universe Swerve. And again,

Swerve, he's red, and he's black, and I must

own him. So I bought him. But in that blog post,

I put a bunch of pictures of the original Swerve

and Universe Swerve. And at the time, I was lamenting

the fact that I didn't own an Alternators Swerve.

But that post was written like two years ago,

and I own one now. So woo -hoo! Actually, at

this point, I have all of the Alternators. Finally

found that that camshaft that I couldn't find

I picked one up at the last BotCon So I've got

them all and I've got a good lead chunk of the

Japanese ones Yay me anyway I'm like rambling.

I'm getting off topic again. Just slap me. I

can't do that through the internet, unfortunately

Yeah, real quick, you know some cool things I

like about swerve Yeah, nothing, can't think

of a damn thing. I was having a moment there,

sorry. Head mode maybe? Something about his head?

Well, no, the cool thing is that when they switched

from side swipe, you know, the silver, Revenge

of the Fallen side swipe colors, when they switched

those over to the red color, they gave him a

new head. Right. So I dig the fact that it's

not a side swipe head, right? I don't really

know what this head should be. It's a different

head It doesn't look much like any of the other

swerves I've ever seen But you know he he still

looks um He still looks good Some of the features

on him that I like are This is hard to explain

he he's got weird hips and it's weird in the

sense that he's got these little rubber pieces

that look like I don't they look like femurs

for lack of a better term yeah I don't know if

you can see the picture I'm looking at it right

now yeah I'm looking at it right now the picture

yeah okay yeah so if you look on his his crotch,

basically. He's got these little pieces that

look like they're attaching his legs to his crotch.

But those are actually little pieces of rubber.

And when you move his legs, those pieces move

with him. And they're kind of like attached to

little joints that move up and down. So it's

really weird in the sense that it's almost like

You know if you have this suspension of disbelief,

it's almost like the little pieces of rubber

are moving his leg Yeah, like they're almost

like tendons that are attaching his limbs together

and they kind of pull first thing in there I

thought you were almost gonna say tentacles I'm

sure this they're all they're holding on to You

know, what's your position? I'm directly below

the testicles. If you had two sets of testicles...

Okay, let's not... ...where to hold your legs

onto your body, that's what this would look like.

Oh, wow. You know, you'd have to see it, really,

and... Oh, I can see it. That's the problem.

Yeah, it just looks really cool. I like it. I

think it's a neat effect. the other thing that

he does is he's kind of got that chicken leg

thing going on you know where he's got reverse

angles but when you bend him at the knee right

he's got like a piston that comes out of the

back of his reverse knee and plugs into the back

of his hamstring if you can imagine Sure, but

it's a piston. It goes back up into the back

of his leg. And when you bend him at the knee,

it pushes on this piece. It's like a silver knee

joint in the front. It's almost like leg or knee

armor, right? Yeah. And when you bend him at

the knee, that pops down low. It moves back and

forth. It's like the Mech Alive gimmick. Right.

It's neat. I dig it. I like it a lot. Exactly

why I don't like Bayformers because they show

all these moving joints and parts and it gives

you a more visual perspective on these toys and

it's like, why can't all the parts... Reminds

me of the Masters of the Universe Classics Roboto

where they have a clear chest and you can see

the working gears inside the figure. Love I like

that, but I don't like with like these Freaking

baitformers jerk. Oh where you move their arm

and you can see the stuff move inside there.

Yeah I like that but not on Like I'm using mech

alive on ravage where his mouth opens, but I

don't like the aesthetic design that the movie

toys have as far as like seeing weird crumbled

-up knee joints or ankle joints going into, you

know, hamstring joints. I don't know. I suppose.

It's all very convoluted. But, you know, I like

it here. I like the effect. I think it looks

cool. To be honest, I didn't really notice it

at first because I just keep his legs very straight.

And the problem is that he's got wheels for feet.

Yeah. He's hard as hell to stand up. I had the

same problem with side swipe. You kinda gotta

get his feet just so. If he's leaning too far

forward, he's gonna topple over. If he's leaning

too far back, he's gonna topple over. If you

hold him by the legs, you can kinda make it look

like he's doing that roller skating thing that

he did in the movie. I should say Side Swipe

did it in the movie, but Swerve's got the same

feet, right? So yeah, it's annoying that he's

got wheels for feet. I've seen Transformers,

namely like Animated Blur, who have wheels for

feet, and it can be done right. Well, technically

Blur's wheels are his ankles. They're not actually

his feet because he actually has feet. Right,

well I mean this guy has... No, not really. He

has wheels. As a sole of his foot is a wheel,

and then he has a red chicken toe. Yeah, basically,

he's got a red chicken toe. He's got heels. The

heel piece pops out and folds back, you know?

So that's the only thing that's keeping him standing

up half the time. I kind of wish that piece was

a little bigger. But, you know, again, I really

like this toy. He's got a little bit of gold.

Around the waist there, and I it's the only gold

I can find on him, but I think that's kind of

a You know a little homage there to the Alternators

swerve who was red and gold I really I think

I prefer that one, but you know for the most

part I dig this guy. He's he retains the the

flip out blades that sideswipe had They actually

used in the movie I dig that I think it's the

I keep his folded back though because My side

swipe keeps his deployed. So he's kind of got

these Wolverine claws going on there And I really

like his His vehicle mode, you know, I Dig his

blue windshield. I like the red. I just think

it's a it's a nice toy if you can if you can

make him stand and display nicely, which we're

having a little trouble doing right this second,

you know. He's a nice toy. He's got a decent

amount of play value. He's got some nice gimmicks

on him, you know. I dig it. And again, I don't

buy a lot of Revenge of the Fallen toys, but

I'm kinda happy that I bought this guy. I do

dig him. One of the things I've noticed, like

in stores and stuff, for Revenge of the Fallen

stuff, because obviously majority of the stuff

comes in alt mode. We all modes are like, you

know, especially with the vehicles like car the

cars that they're super sleek cars For the most

part if I was to which I will never ever support

Bay former toys but if I was to I would just

get vehicle modes and Just keep them kind of

like, you know Sentinel Prime had swindle trapped

in vehicle mode on the only the guard ship pretty

much I would just put them in vehicle mode all

the time. Honestly, that's the outside of Ravage.

The only appealing thing about the Revenge of

the Fallen Line to me is the vehicle modes because

they're super sleek and they're super nice. You

don't see moving parts spilling out of them.

I mean the vehicle modes are licensed products.

They have to look like the car. They can't deviate

because the car manufacturers will freak out.

This is their product on the screen. They're

probably paying Bay a lot of money to use their

particular cars. And they don't want that tampered

with. So no, the car mode, the vehicle modes

are going to look really nice no matter what.

And in many cases, These vehicles are are not

let's say G1 colors. They're going to be the

exact colors that the manufacturer offers the

car, right? so you can go to I Don't know what

kind of car this is but you can it's a what it's

a Corvette, right? So you can go buy a Corvette

in that exact same car You know, I mean it's

kind of like, you know the the original Cartoons

the G1 cartoons were a toy commercial Well, the

Bay former movies are car commercials You see

a lot of these cars just driving around and it's

like why aren't they in robot mode? You know

running or doing whatever they do. Well, it's

because they're selling the cars and You know,

I'm not gonna you know Bash them on that because

you know for the most part these are nice -looking

cars. They do look good Uh, which is probably

why, you know, you wouldn't mind having them

in just karma. Exactly. But you know, there are

certain aspects of the, uh, the bayformers that

I don't like. I mean, if you look at like barricade,

this is just an awful, awful robot. Um, it just

looks really bad. It's, it's almost as if you

took the insides of a car and, you know, stretch

them out like taffy and then form them roughly

into the shape of a versatile. It just looks

really, really, really bad. But I don't get that

so much with Swerve or Sideswipe. I don't get

that so much with Jazz either, to be honest.

I don't mind Revenge of the Fallen Jazz. I think

he looks good. But there are some other toys.

I mean, some toys I even thought were going to

be nice, like Rampage. I really like the construction

vehicles. And I got the Rampage and I transformed

him and this toy is just the suck. I mean, as

cool as he looks, no. If I had known he was this

awful in robot mode, I probably would not have

bought him. But I mean, that's typical of Bayformers.

Well, I want to say the bigger ones. Again, the

Scout classes. Usually pretty good some of the

deluxe one some of the bigger ones not so much

Yeah But you know, maybe that's just me and my

bias Yeah, I don't you know, it's sometimes I'm

pleasantly surprised like this, you know, it's

I think Of course, this is going back ten episodes

I think it was Brian Kilby that mentioned way

back in episode 70 when you guys were talking

about power core combiners is that Right now,

there's so much out there for Transformers that

you don't have to pick just one line. Like, if

you're not into what was Revenge of the Fallen

and now is Hunt for the... If you're not into

that, you don't have to, you know, be buying

those toys. But for me, specifically, because

I'm kind of not a fan of the movies anymore,

and I'm definitely not a fan of the toys outside

of Ravage for the most part, as far as their

robot modes go, I just... I don't have any interest

in a range of volunteers, but at the same time

I can have that opinion and I still have a plethora

of, we just talked about all the crap that's

coming out in Generations. Right, there's a lot

of good stuff coming out for Generations. There's

a lot, I mean I'm still seeing pictures of neat

stuff coming out for power core combiners. And

you know, I could talk at length about that line,

I love that stuff. Yeah, we know. Anyone that's

listened to episode 70 knows. We were talking

at length. Yes, yes, yes, we did. But, I mean,

there's so much out there that they're gonna

give us, and there's so much out there that we

yet have to see, and I think that, you know,

it's not just to one line. I mean, yes, granted,

they canceled animated before it actually got

its comeuppance, I think, but... It was probably

a good time. They were at a good stopping point,

to be honest. There's a lot of stuff they could

have expounded upon, like Sorry and Her. Well,

I mean, as far as the toy line, they canceled

animated before. Oh, bastards, I know. And Japan's

getting all of them now. And the problem is the

Japan ones are so cool looking and it's like,

wow, I won't replace all my American ones. I'm

full of hate, honestly. And I went to... Yeah,

hate for Hasbro bastards. I went to BotCon and

they had them all there, but they wanted like

$30 for a deluxe. Yeah. So it's like, you know

what? Do I really need to buy a gold -plated

Bumblebee for 30 bucks? Hey, Japanese animated

gold bug is awesome. Shut up. No, he's not a

gold bug. He's Bumblebee. They named him Gold

Bug. I named him Gold Bug because he's gold and

he looks... I don't care if it's TFA 033 07,

I don't care if it's Bumblebee, I call him Gold

Bug because he's friggin' gold and he looks like

a gold bug. No, I get where you're coming from,

you know, and some people don't like that aesthetic,

they don't like the gold paint. Because I'm very

happy that I, at the time when I was barely watching

animated, And I started watching it. I never

really cared for Bumblebee's character, and I

had seen a whole bunch of video reviews about

the American Deluxe Bumblebee. I never got it.

The only Deluxe Bumblebee I have is the Elite

Guard Bumblebee, which was the repaint. That's

a nice one. It is. And I'm very glad that I missed

out on the American one, because eventually I'll

get the Japanese Gold Bumblebee. The Deluxe one,

so... You know, if I... If, you know, crossing

the fingers, you know, if I find them on clearance

somewhere... Or if someone's selling a bunch

of them on eBay for like half off, I'll be the

first one in line. But I'm not going to spend

30 bucks on them. I had the same issue with the

10th anniversary Beast Wars. You know, the repaints

that came out of Hasbro were nice. They looked

good. But the stuff that came out of Japan was

like, oh my god. It's like, holy crap, these

are really nice. And it kind of made me look

at the American ones and go, you know. Why did

we get this? You know, honestly, what are you

trying to insult us? Look at what they got in

Japan. Yeah, they had some really nice stuff

out of Japan. And they even had some characters

that were Japanese specific. Like, they had a

repaint of Korhadra, which we never saw here

because it was like, B -Sports 2 or something.

But, yeah, Korhadra was a snake. It was a cool

toy. Kinda neat. Anyway, I'm like getting way

off topic again, and we probably should be -

No, hey, you know, it's, you know - I always

do this - Yeah, but we can't just - You know,

how long are these episodes? Oh, about a half

an hour, and two hours later, I'm still running

- Two hours? What do you mean two hours? It's

only an hour and five minutes. You know, I'm

just saying. It's not like you have to go to

work. That's how I get. That's true. So, you

know - You know yeah, we are recording this on

a Friday night, so you know it's not like you

have to go to work tomorrow It's not like Thursday

night three -hour sessions It's good that we

have a side discussion like this cuz I don't

I don't want this show and I said this really

I don't want this show just to be Here's the

toy I'm gonna talk about here's what I like about

it. Here's what I hate about it and I don't want

it to be like, you know a hospital room for this

show Just sterile stank and just like something

stuck up our butts or something Right, but you

know, I I have a nasty tendency to Go off on

tangents and just run with it. It's a run with

it. I don't care. That's one uh... so i guess

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