Does the World Really Need Optimus Prime?

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is sitting there almost in a guarding position

over her little kitty food and our big 200 pound

cat 220 pound cat whatever same different Just

was like two inches away from the food And the

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like wait till you're old enough and you can

read the lyrics I'm like, oh, okay, then I forgot

about there are lyrics. I always thought that

that song didn't have lyrics. Oh, no There's

there's lyrics. Oh Pretty messed up. But um,

so there are now a little brief intermission

Lee Don't be a smartass. I'm nice I'm not being

a smartass I know you're not. That's the funny

thing. Oh, boy. So are we ready to get this thing

underway now? Yes, please. That's three minutes

and 40 seconds of gold right there. Oh, you've

been recording this, you ass. Yup. Hello, and

welcome to the... There's some gold for you,

sir. You asshat! You didn't warn me! You're usually

like, okay, I'm gonna do five seconds of silence,

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okay, I like bolt matrix aka spada, okay I think

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a lot of fun going through this audio uh... mother

trucker Hello and welcome to episode 74 .5 of

Toycast. I am your host TFG1Mike and joining

me is Optobotamus. Hello, sir. Good afternoon

to you, sir. And Bultmatrix aka Spada. Hello.

Hello. How are you guys doing? Ow! I'm being

- I'm being scratched by the sharpest little

tiny nails in the universe. that thinks that,

for those of you that don't know, and there's

no reason why they should, yesterday I got a,

what we can only guess is about a four week old

kitten, and she's decided now that she wants

to eat you. Well, no, well maybe. She's imprinted

me as her mother, it seems. According to my girlfriend,

anyhow. The cat needs to be around me at all

times, and she has learned how to crawl up, using

only her nails, onto our sofa. And in doing so,

she also likes crawling across my legs, doing

the exact same thing. But she doesn't realize

that skin doesn't really give as well as couch

fabric. Right now, she doesn't have - Ah! Ow!

Oh! It hurts! It hurts! Okay. Now, she just decided

to do it to my back. Okay. This is gonna be the

best podcast episode ever. And the voice that

you hear screaming in the background making fun

of me and laughing at me is my fiance. So anyhow,

who's in there making me dinner. But yeah, all

right. That's what we'll continue on. If there's

a random grunt or groan or scream of pain, just

ignore it. Ow! Like that. That's my foot! You

normally do. So, Armada Hotshot. No, no, no,

no. We're not even up to that. You have no right

to jump straight to that. We're not even up to

that yet. What are you even up to, Spada? Oh,

oh dear, um dealing fighting YouTube to keep

my To keep my Colossus video up because oh no,

I had 30 seconds of a Stan Bush song in there

You know, you know what you're you know a way

around that is usually and I probably shouldn't

Say what? I don't know what you said. Anyway,

so Today at work. I went back to I was in our

other building and I went back to where my desk

is and there were some nice boxes waiting for

me for me from BBTS I now have battle blades

bumblebee Generations, I'm sorry hunt for the

Decepticons battle blade bumblebee tomahawk and

terror dive and generations red alert and sound

wave and Every single one of those figures has

the same problem. The ball joints on the tops

of their legs are too loose, so they have trouble

standing up. That's one, two, three, four, five

different figures with the exact same issue.

And it's the left leg on every one of those figures

that has the issue. The right leg is normally

okay. The left leg is just entirely too loose

So I'm gonna have to take some like nail polish

remover or something to it You know it's interesting

that you mentioned that a few episodes back.

We had discussed the whole quality control Thing

and problem that has become apparently rampant

and You mentioned these figures that you have

right here another friend of mine got Generations

red alert and for some reason And I don't know

I don't know is does that thing come was it I?

Don't I don't wait a minute it comes slightly

broken That's what that's what that's what my

friend was kind of hinting at I was trying to

remember and that One, the roof on the vehicle,

as soon as I took it out of the box, fell off.

It's not actually attached. I had to reattach

it manually. And two, there seems to be some

tooling errors, which prevents you from actually

closing up the front of the car all the way flush

against the doors. So the tabs are sticking out.

So you've got the exact same problem that he

has on this figure. And that's amazing to me.

It's amazing to me. And it's really, really weird.

I mean, it's a very, let me tell you, out of

out of the three Lamborghinis, the side swipe,

sun striker side swipe and this and red alert,

I actually like the red alert the best. I think

the paint scheme on that on this figure is by

far the best. Interesting. I still haven't gotten

yet of all the figures that you just mentioned.

The only one that I have is the battle blade

Bumblebee and That thing is crazy and actually

the the hip Problem or the the ball joint problem

for the upper legs is the worst on is the worst

on that figure Wow, because if I actually put

his if I stand him up straight and I put his

right arm with the axe deployed the ball joint

actually kind of collapses. Oh my god. Or if

I just breathe on it he'll just fall over backwards

because he's so top heavy. Well my uh from the

hunt for oh but so so we were talking about the

the issues and it wasn't I mean I've been fairly

lucky uh throughout my collecting and The worst

one I've never had this happen, but my battle

blades optimus prime came with two left fists

I remember seeing that and I was looking at that

and I'm like and I didn't notice it at first

until I was trying to transform them and you

have to fold you have to lift the little flap

on his forearm and then you have to fold his

arm back and then you have to fold the flat back

and I'm like Why is this flap not closing all

the way? when I'm trying And then I looked at

it and I'm like, are you kidding me? And I'm

looking at it and I'm like, maybe I could just

reverse it. And I'm like, well, I'm like, I could

do that, but then that would probably look even

more retarded. And the biggest problem was my

friend found that for me all the way up in San

Jose and emailed it to me because I haven't found

it in stores down here in Orange County. At all,

so it's not like I can even return it to the

store and swap it out and get a new one So I

mean yeah quality control on these things are

it's getting ridiculous And if you got what did

you say seven figures five? Five figures and

all of them except for one is is but nope all

of them all of them are but okay Well, you got

a lot of but right there. That's it. I mean,

that's just amazing to me How bad is Soundwave?

He's not bad. No, I mean as far as, you know,

you said the ball joints and stuff. It's better

than the others. Out of all of them, he's probably

the least worst. I mean, he could stand because

thankfully he's got nice wide feet. Yeah. I mean,

I've got him in my hands right now. It's... It's

palatable. Okay. Yay! For palatability! I'm sorry

to say, I think this figure is probably the weakest

of the Generations figures. Soundwave? It's bad,

but it's... Yeah, Soundwave. It's boring. It's

boring? It's boring. That does not bode well.

See, my problem with Soundwave over the last

few years, and I think it's just me... It might

be just you. Shut up, Paul. I think it's just

me being the 80s kid that I am, that I'm so hooked

on, you know, Soundwave must be a cassette deck.

But... Every toy, animated, this generations

one, Soundwaves recently, as of late, I only

have to buy one, because they come in robot mode.

I don't, well, this one comes in robot mode.

You know, I don't, it's a toy that I want, and

I'll eventually find him at some point. I don't

know when, I don't really care when, it's not

like it's the most, you know, top of my list

right now. um... but originally i was going to

get two of them one for robot mode and one for

vehicle mode and i just don't like the vehicle

mode at all it's the vehicle mode's pretty weak

yeah it is i have to admit that i'm not too thrilled

with the vehicle mode well is it just because

it's some kind of weird cybertonian truck vehicle

yeah It's not that it's a wheeled vehicle that

bothers me. A wheeled vehicle? What is it wheeled

in? Well, in the game he hovered, so yeah. Well,

he could hover, or it's not that he's like a

little car or something. It just doesn't feel

like this would be a sound wave figure, if that

makes any sense. It just doesn't... Feel like

sound wave. There's something missing like the

dark mount figure. Oh god that feels like straxas

Prime bumblebee. I mean all of the Megatron.

Yeah, he's a kind of a floating brick, but It

feels like Megatron sound wave just Feels that

the toy doesn't give you an adequate feeling

of what Soundwave should be. The alt mode doesn't,

I think. The robot... The robot mode doesn't

either. The robot mode is really skinny and feels

weak. Really? Yeah, it doesn't have that... I

hate to say of musculature, but that frame that

Soundwave has always had. Yeah. I don't know,

I've seen reviews of him and he looks okay. I

will agree that he looks skinnier than what the

photoshopped images we first saw were. But again,

that's the photoshop. You know, I mean. I think

also my other thing is the front of the vehicle

mode reminds me of a lawn mower. For some reason

yeah Like one of those things if you ever go

to a golf course, and you see those carts going

back and forth picking up golf balls You know

I just had a horrible horrible thought if you

put his little pitchfork thing out in the vehicle

mold so it's facing forward It could be a forklift

forklift of randomness No, it's too small a very

poorly endowed forklift? Alright, so the discussion

topic tonight will be I saw a video done by Night

Slash 2020 on YouTube and it's some reply to

some other video which I never even saw the original

video but basically the video was does the world

really need Optimus Prime? And in the video Mike

was talking about how you know all the cartoons

and all the comics and all the movies and games

and everything else the main Autobot leader is

Optimus Prime and do we really need him in Transformers

as far as that goes and I'm all I'm all good

for change if they won't but you know down the

line once you start a series, but I think especially

cartoon series. Everybody remembers Optimus Prime.

Not just the G1 incarnation, you know, as bad

as it was, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron, you

know, animated and all that stuff, and Primal

and Beast Wars. If you want to change it up a

season or two down, kill him off in a movie and

put Rodimus in, or whatever, but I don't think

you can have a Transformers series without Optimus

or Megatron. Hmm. Disagree. Okay, why? I would

probably have to disagree too. Okay. I don't

know how good this discussion topic could be

if we all kind of agree to disagree. The reason

I disagree is because I really don't think you

need... a hero character and you need a villain,

but you don't necessarily need an Optimus Prime.

Okay. You could look at, originally a robots

in disguise was in Japan. You had Fire Convoy

and Gigatron. They weren't... And when they came

to the US, it was Optimus Prime and Megatron,

but it wasn't... They handled this in Japan much

better, where, yes, there's a convoy every time,

but they're a different character. They're not

the same character. A perfect example would be

Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo. You had Leo

Convoy and Big Convoy. Both of those guys...

were convoys, but two completely different characters.

Yeah, they kind of look similar, and I think

it was in Beast Wars Neo that you had the convoy

council, where you had a variety of different

optimist -looking figures. But they're different

characters. Completely. Like, the Optimus Prime

we grew up with was... What I would say is everything

that was good about 80s America. And then you

had Big Convoy and Beast Wars Neo, who was the

loner, didn't want a team, was a consummate badass.

I mean, he would, he kicked ass and took names.

Very, very different characters there. Yeah,

they look somewhat similar, but The caricatures

were much different, and the mannerisms were

much different. Right. I think, kind of going

off what Spada was saying, you don't necessarily

need Optimus Prime. You don't necessarily need

that particular version. When you look throughout

history, and maybe I'm reading too much into

this or whatever, but there are certain characters

that are saviors, I suppose. You can look at

Superman, Indiana Jones. I mean, these are big

time characters. Now, you could have that same

type of a character and not necessarily have

to have the particular Optimus Prime. You could

have had Rodimus Prime do that exact same thing

if he was written a little bit better. But it's,

it's, you know, to carry on, you know, people

say, you know, do we need Optimus Prime? Okay.

You need, you need something that's like him.

You don't necessarily need him. So I mean, Transformers,

would it be where it is today without Optimus

Prime? I don't know. I doubt it would have gotten...

In my opinion, there's no incarnation of Optimus

Prime throughout the history that is as heroic

and Superman -like, you know, except for the

G1 Optimus Prime. The other ones, you know, they

had that same kind of feel, and maybe it was

just because that character was written more

noble. than other versions of Optimus Prime or

just maybe kids nowadays don't look at the characters

Optimus Prime as being that same type of hero

I suppose. But I think if you killed off Optimus

Prime it's funny because I was thinking about

this and you know if Optimus Prime was gone and

if we had a show that came out in five years

that had Transformers but had no Optimus Prime

in it at all and kids saw it for the first time

they wouldn't know any different if there was

Optimus Prime or not they wouldn't know until

they started looking back you know into the history

of Transformers so I don't know I mean I don't

think I don't think we need them but we need

a character that is going to be like him Okay

then, alright, let me say this. The main thing

I think of one of the reasons why Hasbro will

always use Optimus Prime specifically as the

main Autobot leader is because he is so recognizable.

I mean, I think we can all agree with that as

far as him being so recognizable. He's iconic.

Exactly. I agree with that entirely. See, I didn't...

I mean, I liked the whole... I prefer Hot Rod

to Rodimus. I didn't particularly like the episodes

and there weren't very many so I mean it's not

like it was a huge thing but he just came off

as a whiny I'm not good enough type of a tool

that aggravated me whenever he would sit there

and you know I could understand where they were

trying to say well you know Rodimus has to fill

these shoes and everything but... He didn't really

have time to this the thing he you know optimus

got himself killed Technically because of hot

rod so technically hot rod is that people see

that? I don't do it. I mean dude. He ran out

there. You know optimus if I mean he could have

blasted Megatron he chose not to Because because

hot rods dumbass ran out there So and the whole

thing about that whole scene I've gone back and

I've screen capped it and I've analyzed that

whole scene I've got a screen cap where Megatron

actually forces hot rod to watch him shoot optimus

There is an image that I've screen kept I'll

have to send it to you guys or I'll put it on

Twitter There's an image screen cap where Megatron

pretty much has him in a headlock and he's looking

right at I know the thing you're talking about,

too, but I don't think... My big issue with Hot

Rod becoming Ronimus Prime is to be honest, he

really didn't earn it. No, he didn't. I completely

agree with that. I would have preferred to have

seen it stick with Ultra Magnus. And just at

the end, the end of Transformers the movie felt

rushed. It just did. And I mean, I'm not stupid.

I know that they did that for new toys. But I

would have liked to have seen a little bit more

character growth in Rodimus as opposed to the

whole season being, oh, I'm not good enough.

Oh, you're back now. Here's your sparkly thing.

Right. Yeah, and we really didn't get any real

character development. All we got was I'm not

good enough Oh, yes, I am. Oh, no, I'm not. Okay.

Now I'm a pepper. Yeah Wouldn't you like to be

a pepper too? Yeah Okay, that clip so has to

go in this episode because I still have that

from when I was doing TFG one podcast I Think

I think I think you were reading too much into

this was drawn. I don't think that the creators

intentionally wanted to have Megatron. I know,

but it was just something I've been reading a

lot into the G1 series overall because I've been

going back and watching the Matrix set and the

Autobots aren't as noble as we are led to believe

in G1. They're not. They're not. You know, but

the one constant was Optimus Prime. and I always

thought that he maintained himself just a little

bit higher because it was it's always a thing

where if you if you don't stop yourself I mean

he they very easily could have to defeat the

Decepticons could have destroyed earth I mean

they really could have if they really wanted

to stop them but it's one of those things where

if we stoop down to their level then we're no

longer Any better than them were you know as

bad as they are and? Optimus Prime always seemed

like the kind of person that would stop it right

before it got a little bit too bad Now that kind

of changed a little bit with the movies He seemed

a whole lot more violent in the movie in the

live -action movies Yeah, the movies that are

the live -action films or something completely

different no and and and I agree, but I'll tell

you, one of my favorite, I mean, outside of G1

Optimus Prime, one of my favorite Primes is probably

the animated Optimus Prime. Here you have a character

who is unsure of himself, I mean, this is how

Rodimus should have been written in G1, where

he's unsure of himself, he has this power thrust

upon him, and... I mean, through the animated

series, you see Prime develop into this much

more capable leader to the end where he's able

to stand toe to toe with Megatron and fight this

big, giant, scary thing. I mean, that was...

And there you have another heroic version of

Optimus Prime. It's... My dinner is done. Come

to me, dinner. Come to me, dinner. Idol Cat,

bring me the dinner. I definitely agree that

animated prime is one of the better primes we've

gotten in the past couple of years. Yeah. I definitely

agree with that. And the fact that he was also

learning, plus when he first got the wing blade

suit. And he just, he launches the rockets and

he just starts flying off and crashing into everything.

And he goes, okay, not going to do that again.

Right. It was just really fun. Oh, there's the

email. Squirrel. I just got Mike's email. Yeah.

So, I mean, I, you know, I don't know. One of

the things that I know we'll never get, but I

wish we would. And I know the reason why I won't

ever get this is because Hasbro wants to cater

to kids and make sure everything is, you know...

Homogenous. Yeah. I want a BotCon 2008 Shattered

Glass cartoon. What? An actual cartoon? Based

off of the BotCon comic and the BotCon 08 toys.

Shattered glass optimus prime shattered glass

Rodimus Megatron that that whole toy set from

that years, but excuse me Botcon I want a cartoon

based on those characters because yes, I know

it's just another alternate universe thing But

I had never seen an alternate universe transformers

thing like that, and I just I absolutely love

that I You know that would be very cool. It won't

happen. I know it absolutely won't happen, but

It would be interesting to see but the biggest

problem that I would see with that and I mean,

you know We have the new series prime, you know,

it transforms crime coming out. Maybe something

could show up in there. You never know but Going

all the way back and when you mention that it

instantly makes me think of stop chewing on that

wire It instantly makes me think of Star Trek

and all the Mirror Universe episodes that they

would constantly do. I would be afraid that they

would take that episode and make a farce out

of the entire concept. No, I don't know how to

read. Thanks for reminding me. If it doesn't

have pictures, he can't read it ladies and gentlemen.

Exactly. Continue. Okay, so Spade has read the

08 comic. Basically you have, I would guess,

G1 or Universe Cliffjumper in an alternate dimension.

It never really explains how he got there. No,

it doesn't really explain how he got there. I

think it might have to do with something from

2007. Yeah. It doesn't really explain how he

got there, you're right, but I mean basically

you have a G1 type or a universe type cliff jumper,

like from our universe, over in this mirror universe

where the Autobots are evil and maniacal and

just sadistic and the Decepticons are the heroes.

I wish that they would, you know, you could play

on that with the war, instead of doing the same

episode each episode, you could have an ongoing

war except the factions are just reversed. So

you wouldn't actually be repeating the same episode,

just have an ongoing war, kind of like what G1

was. Yeah. I don't know. Like I said, you know,

it'll never happen, but I think, you know, that

was... That was a very different way to see,

you know, the two sides of the Transformers.

The Autobots and Decepticons, and I kinda liked

it, actually. Yeah, Megatron is a Mecha -Maniacal

Psychopath. I'm sorry, Optimus as a Mecha -Maniacal

Psychopath. Yeah, plus he's purple. Definitely

interesting. It is. It's one of those things

where... you know, we've grown up and we've seen

the Autobots as the good guys and Decepticon

as the bad guys for so long that it's a nice

change to see things like that. And it really

reminds me, and for the life of me, I can't understand

it, but it's kind of going along with why Nemesis

Prime is as popular as I think he is because

people want to see a bad version of Optimus Prime.

And I've always thought that was silly because

in my mind a bad version of Optimus Prime is

Megatron. So I don't particularly understand

it, but to each his own. I've never liked Nemesis

Prime. Me neither. I did see one, I think it

was a BotCon comic though that described it as

his old buddy, what was it, Dueler? When he was

a Ryan Pax he had a buddy that was orange. Yeah,

and blue Right. I can't remember his name, but

You guys know who I'm talking about he got jealous

and actually Like after he became Optimus Prime

like his jealousy drove him insane and he kidnapped

Alpha Trion and made him turn him made Alpha

Trion turn him into Like an alternate version

of optimus to become his nemesis. I think it

was um What are the things on all spark every

morning Damnit and my brain is not working on

a Friday night. Yeah, why it's not working I

know think good. There's... I'm looking at the

TF wiki under Nemesis Prime. There's different

ones. Mosaics. It was one of the Transformers

mosaics. Okay. Well, according to this, in different

years there have been different versions. In

2003, he was the evil clone of Optimus Prime

from Armada. In 2004, he was the clone of an

alternate universe, Optimus Prime, from the 2003

universe franchise. In 2006, he was the evil

clone of Optimus Prime in several Generation

1 continuities. In 2007, he was the corrupted

dead universe version of Nova Prime in the IDW

Generation 1 continuity. Yeesh. You know, I want

to say, when I was young, I always thought...

Oh, God. What the hell is his name? Oh, God.

I'm really drawing a blank on everything, too.

And I just have to keep the show going, ladies

and gentlemen, because I have two brain -dead

people with me here. The leader of the Stuntacons.

Menasaur. Or not a motormaster. Motormaster,

thank you. I always, you know, when every time

I look at that, I'm like, oh, that's like Evil

Optimus Prime. Yup. Yeah, growing up I thought

that too. He's the one. In my opinion, he's the

one who started this whole Nemesis Prime crap.

It's all him. I blame him. I decided. I decided.

And apparently so is my cat. Yes. Oh, anyhow.

So now, off the bottom of this has a battle cat

and a panther. he he he he he he he he he he

he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he

he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he

he stipulations now i say yes so fill me back

after these these little intros or ads or whatever

the hell i'm going to put in between these things

so off to bottomus you are going first sir what

toy are you going to be talking about this evening

i will be discussing the maddie collector exclusive

six inch Egon Spangler figure which came out

last year around this time actually and is getting

re -released later on this month. Get away cat.

I don't think I don't think Louie would fit in

the ghost trap. Definitely not. Definitely not.

Last year, we got introduced to a new line from

folks over at Maddie Collector and it was originally

premiered at the 2009 San Diego Comic Con in

which we got a Egon Spangler figure in the six

inch, fully articulated, very nice figure and

there goes the cat again and it actually created

a bit of a a small controversy amongst Ghostbuster

collectors because it was a slimed version of

Egon. And Egon in the first movie, which these

figures are initially based off the first movie,

he was never really slimed in it. And later on

this month, actually on the 15th, which I don't

know if this will air before that or not. It

will. September 15th. is a re -release of the

figure, which comes with an un -slimed version

of Egon. It also comes with a PKE meter and a

stack of books, similar to how in the library

scene the books would stack. Well, you know,

the funny thing is like no ordinary person or

whatever would stack books in this way. So the

controversy rages between... Ghostbuster fans

about this whole thing because It did we never

should have gotten a slimed version of them.

It's a fantastic figure I actually really don't

mind though. Like I said, it's fully articulated

So it's got every art, you know every joint you

can possibly think of It it bends it moves it,

you know, it's what oh, sorry. I'm getting distracted

by a Demon cat But the biggest problem the biggest

problem that I do have with the figure is like

I said it comes out It's being re -released in

five days from from now And it's unslined and

it's the one and that's and that doesn't even

bother me so much as that The original figure

never came with a pke meter Which it really should

have right and it kind of it really kind of aggravates

me that now I got to pay another $20 to get a

little pke meter just to kind of complete the

look for Egon. So, it's another one of those

wonderful things in the brain trust of Mattel

where, oh, let's re -release it because, oh,

you know, we gave everybody a slimed version

of Egon. Let's give them an unslimed version.

It was just kind of annoying, but I love the

figure and I love the Ghostbusters and it's hard

for me to say no. They... They drag me. They

drag me in. It's terrible. But I love the figure.

It's fantastic. And if people missed out initially,

which I know a lot of people did, I'm sure they're

going to really like the fact that they're re

-releasing Egon in an unslimed motif. But for

people that already have him, a little bit disappointed.

I can say I'm a little bit disappointed. But

that's still not going to stop me. From being

there September 15. Yes and paying $20 half an

inch tall PKE meter That's just horrible now

I've seen reviews of these guys I've seen your

reviews and I've seen Pia's reviews and I think

a couple other people have reviewed them as well

Well Pia has done the he's only gotten the 12

inch version right, but the same characters though

Right, okay. These are extremely screen accurate

to the films, correct? As screen accurate of

an action figure is you're going to get... Well,

I mean, as far as the faces, they look like the

actors that played the characters. It's not some

dimpy mold that they're using. No, it's, you

know, of the Ghostbusters line, I have... I have

all four Ghostbusters, and I have the Walter

Peck figure that came out. I passed on the last

month's release, which was a Ray Stantz version

in his lab coat, which we saw the Ray Stantz,

Egon Smangler, and Pete Venkman. When they first

started, if you guys are familiar with the Ghostbusters

movie, when they first started and in the original

commercial, that they ever did they were all

wearing lab coats and everything and that's what

this is the lab coat version of race dance was

supposed to be and I'm like you know what I'm

really not interested in that it came with the

ghost sniffer that Peter walked around Dana Barrett's

room you know kind of sniffing the air to find

ghosts it came with that and it came with it

came with another ghost accessory like a like

an actual ghost so I passed on that but I have

all the other ones all the other in terms of

the Ghostbusters they're all identical Except

the faces are remolded obviously there's different

faces and they are like I said as accurate to

actual The actual people as you're probably going

to get on an action figure They're not too terribly

accurate. I know the 12 inch versions are much

much better But in terms of the six inch figures,

you know, I mean you can look at him and you

kind of say yeah that kind of Looks like you

know Harold Harold Ramis or this kind of looks

like Bill Murray But and and in all honesty the

the Peter Venkman or Bill Murray figure whatever

you want to call it is probably the best one

in terms of capturing the likeness of Bill Murray

and That's probably just more to do with the

fact that Bill Murray's extremely picky with

licensing out his likeness likeness And that

was one of the biggest problems. Bill Murray

has always been a huge problem with anything,

going forward with anything Ghostbuster related.

So they're very accurate looking. The look, the

body sculpt of them, the proton pack, everything

on it is fantastic looking. I absolutely love

the figures. I think they're phenomenal. And

later on this year... More coming out and into

next year later on this Christmas time. They've

announced that there's good They're gonna release

a four -pack around Christmas time with the actual

there's a scene in Ghostbusters 2 where they're

running around in a dark gray jumpsuit wearing

of all things a Santa hat yeah, so they're so

they're re -releasing a four pack of them in

the stores and It will be that set where they're

wearing a dark gray They'll have the Santa hats

and they'll have the Ghostbusters 2 logo on their

arm as opposed to the regular Ghostbusters logo.

So it's picking up steam, the line seems to be

going pretty strong, and it all started with

Egon Spangler being inaccurately depicted as

being sly. You know what I would love to see?

I'm not really like... As far as my Mattel purchases

these days, I'm having a hard enough time finding...

Reissue human let alone Ghostbuster figures so

um Well the Ghostbuster figures, you know in

terms of their um availability so Availability

it lasts a whole lot. Yeah. Well, yeah It's not

it's not as big of a seller for Maddie collector

as their massive universe thing, but I The quickest

sellout the quickest sellout I think was the

the Peter Vanquen figure and that lasted a whole

day. Yeah I would one thing I would love to see

is a screen accurate Ghostbusters 2 ecto one

Because when I saw Ghostbusters 2 and I saw the

card in Ghostbusters 2 I Absolutely, I just just

chuckled and just thought it was so great We

thought with all the lights and we're back and

a little logo with the two on it I agree, and

there's been rumbles about them possibly doing

an ecto. I don't know exactly how they're going

to do it, because one of the biggest problems

that they have is that the proton packs do not

remove from the figure. So unless they release

them again without the proton packs on, which

this is Manny Collector. They very well could

release all four of them with just wearing their

jumpsuits. Which, eh, you know, it would kind

of annoy me, but it's something that they could

possibly do in the future that I would absolutely

love to see. And the Ecto -1A that appeared in

Ghostbusters 2, the hyped up look on it, you

know, like you said, you had the LED, you know,

stro - scrolling lights, saying we're back, fur

hire, all the various things. They had more paint

applications on the car itself where there was

actual warning stickers and stuff all over it.

It just looked a lot better. Would love to see

that version if I got a classic version of it

from the original Ghostbusters I'd probably want

to complain but if they were gonna do one I would

prefer the ecto 1a yes amen any thoughts on Ghostbusters

beta I'm not a huge Ghostbusters fans. I love

the movies Some of these these figures these

re -release of the figures that's great for fans

I'm just not that big of a fan. Okay, so who

are you going to be talking about? Well, today

I am going to be talking about, uh, Fans Project's

Crossfire Explorer and Munitioner. These guys

are impressive, to say the least. They're about

the size of a Scout class figures. Now, Munitioner

is a swindle repa - is a Custom swindle figure.

Let's face it and Explorer is a custom blast

-off figure now both of these guys go together

with either the ROTF Bruticus Maximus or any

other Bruticus Maximus figures that you can get

your grummy little hands on I have the original

Japanese box set of Bruticus Maximus that I believe

was a I want to say a Toys R Us exclusive. Eh,

whatever. But I got a hold of these guys, and

individually the figures aren't bad. Munitioner

is by far my favorite. I think he's a better

figure than Explorer is simply because my Munitioner

figure seems to be a lot more solid than the

Explorer figure. And that's just simply because

of the transformation and the way the figure

is designed. But merging them and all of their

accessories together to form a colossus, in quotes,

is just absolutely gorgeous. I mean, this figure

is just a sight to behold. Yeah, he is. I saw

that first video you did, which unfortunately...

Oh, it's back up. It's back up. Yeah, but with

the music? Nope. I had to use a different...

I had to redo it. I had to take that part out,

unfortunately. That's what I meant. I saw the

first video you had up of it. And the combined

mode is just... It's just amazing. I actually

prefer Unitioner to Explorer because I like that

better. As far as it being a swindle figure,

I don't know, I never really cared for Blast

Off. I've never been a fan of Blast Off, but

this figure is by far a great upgrade. Yeah.

There are 18 accessories total and Just to get

him into the Colossus mode 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9,

10 of those accessories are vital. So, this guy

comes with new feet, the backpack cannons, two

missile pods that actually merge onto Vortex

and Explorer, hands, two other components that

fit over the Vortex to form a wrist, and a new

head. oh cool and then it comes with four different

rifles that all that two of them in each set

merge together to form larger rifles which look

awesome and then a what would be a 50 caliber

rifle in giant robot form that can actually break

down into another like laser rifle type thing

wow and it's just gorgeous. I bet. In vehicle

modes all the accessories combine with all the

different vehicles into different into what I

like to what I think are improved vehicle modes.

The helicopter gets loaded so it becomes a gunship.

The onslaught unit gets the cannons and some

other things to give him a more transport truck

look, the tank brawl gets two giant guns, and

then of course Munitioner and Explorer just have

their... Explorer doesn't have any weapons in

vehicle mode, but Munitioner has a little grenade

launcher on top. And it's just a great set, I'm

not gonna lie. The two guys together cost me

a little over a hundred dollars. That's not cheap.

That's my biggest problem with it. No, man, is

it worth it? I couldn't tell you how happy I

was when I got it home Now how would you in terms

of Other other upgrades, how would you compare

this to the other upgrades that fans project

has already given us It's definitely better than

the trailer Well, yeah, it's Far and away better

than that trailer. Wait, which trailer? The G3

trailer, whatever it's called. I think which

is I think on clearance right now on BBTF. Which

I'm sorry to say that really I don't like the

fact that I think fans project lost money on

that one. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure they did. I actually

like these figures better than I did Warbot.

I was disappointed with Warbot, I have to say.

It wasn't bad. Mine had stability problems. He

wouldn't stand up. He had no ankles. The feet

basically had no heels? Yeah. Oh, no ankles?

Oh, okay. Yeah, he had nothing that was holding

him up on the backs of his feet. Right. There

was that, and... Don't fall back. Something just

felt off. I know that sounds really weird, but

every time I transformed him I thought I was

going to break him. Really? The plastic on the

figure that I got... something felt wrong it

felt brittle and that's one of the reasons why

I had him displayed for a while and then I put

him back in his box and put him away interesting

now the commander armor on the other hand oh

that stuff is good that was mighty nifty I enjoyed

that quite a bit What was your take on the the

aerial team? Honestly it could have been done

better, you know, I'm not saying it was bad and

I really have to tip my hat off to them for engineering

The pieces the way they did But I really had

some problems with it like the feet especially

The feet on mine just would not stay together.

Oh, wow. I mean, after my video review, the feet

just started falling apart. And honestly, they

didn't... It was a nice addition, but it didn't

fix the chief problem that Superion has. That

Superion? Yeah, that model, that mold of Superion.

There are two major problems. One, the combiner

pegs don't stay together. They can't fix that.

I know they can't. But the chief, chief, chief

problem is the section of the torso that is formed

when you fold the nose cone down. That does not

stay pegged in at all. Yep, it's so small and

it's so loose, it just pops right off. Had they

fixed that, had they put in something that fixed

that, it would have been a much better figure,

or a much better set for me. Gotcha. But you

know, 40 bucks, 40, 50 bucks, that wasn't a bad

deal. It really wasn't. Yeah, I'd like that price

a whole lot more. I am really, really, really

looking forward to the Protector trailer. And

the sidearm. I think the sidearm's just kinda

cool. Little Targetmaster dude, 10 bucks. Yeah,

I mean, when it comes to fans' projects, they

seem to try to do their best. I agree with you

that the Warbot, while I like the figure, It

bothers me that I have to have his legs twisted

outward where he looks like he's a penguin waddling

for him to actually be able to stand. I mean,

that really, really does kind of bug me. The

Superion set, I actually recently just sold that.

And a lot of people were like, oh my God, why'd

you do that? And I'm not sure if it was you,

Mike, or I was talking to someone else, but...

They were asking me, why did you do that? I said,

you know what? Of all the fans' project things

that they've done and are planning on doing,

when I would look at the Superion figure, I would

not get a Superion feel. That thing did not remind

me of G1 Superion at all. I have the same reaction

to it. I really am glad that they did what they

did. Yeah, I mean they think that particular

figure I mean they improved that particular You

know energon combine or whatever version you

had They fixed that well as much as possible

But everything else just didn't say Superion

to me I kind of looked at that and I would have

said oh, that's just a big giant combining robot

I wouldn't have said that's a period when I look

at the Bruticus set I say, that's Bruticus. Yeah,

that's how Bruticus should look. That's my instant

feel when I look at him. You know, I really think

in the instruction booklet, and I have got to

give them credit, every single, since the Superion,

all the instruction booklets have been like the

most high quality paper they could possibly get

their hands on. And these instruction booklets

are amazing. I know that's silly, but on the

very last page, Crossfire 1 was the Superion

set. Crossfire 2 is the Burticus set. Crossfire

3 is a question mark. I'm really curious if they're

going to be doing after... You know, they started

off with just an add -on set. Right, let's improve

things then Three was or number two is okay.

Well, we're going to replace two of the combined

pieces. I Wonder if they're going to be doing

an entire combiner next could be That'd be nice

and a lot of people have already been speculating

them in the biggest Name I suppose one could

say that's being thrown out is the great and

powerful Devastator. Well, there's that and you've

seen that weird picture of the deluxe sized scavenger

figure, right? I think we talked about this a

while ago, a couple of weeks ago. I know we've

talked about that on nerd news. Yeah Oh, yeah,

you know that giant ass thing. Yes. Yeah that

giant ass Yeah, yeah That blows my mind It's

impressive really does It's really impressive

I I'll be honest though. I don't know how much

longer Hasbro can ignore these guys I I'm hoping

long enough to where which it really doesn't

matter anymore but long enough till after protector

gets released yeah they would really be shooting

themselves in the foot because these guys are

making add -ons to figures that you have to you

have to buy anyway yep right right yeah I remember

around the time You know, and I don't I don't

even know around the time when it was but there

was a panel I want to say maybe it was BotCon

09. I want I could be wrong but They were asked

what they think about third -party companies

making things of these nature and and they said

something along the lines of they're like You

know as long as it doesn't infringe on our stuff,

you know, we'll be watching them And as long

as it doesn't go too far to infringe upon our

intellectual properties, you know, then they

don't seem to care too much. They're fine with

it. But they also said that, you know, if you

people keep asking us about this crap, then we're

going to have to take an interest in it and look

into it. So stop reminding us of this. Exactly.

Just forget about it. It's one of those things

where it's kind of like a dirty little secret.

where they know about it, but they don't want

to know about it because they know that it will

infuriate their fan base. Yeah. And, you know,

they're they're they're walking that line. They

are talking that line. Tell the lawyers. Right.

Exactly. Them people. But they're there. I mean,

I you know, the city commander. I was like, OK,

if I'm Hasbro, I can let that go. And then the

other stuff came out. Once it got to the point

where they made the Springer when they made Warbot

Defender, then I would have been like, you know

what? That's going a little bit too close. Well,

it's going a little bit too close because the

helicopter mode is exactly almost like what Springer

looked like. All you have to do is get a Autobot

label from Reaper labels and put it right there

on his chest. Which is it which I'm sorry to

say that's exactly what I did. That's what everybody

did. Um, yeah, you gotta do that Well, that's

because you don't like him and you put him in

his box You should turn around and sell that

thing spade us seriously if you're just gonna

hang out sell it I'll bet you you could probably

get 300 bucks for that thing I'm gonna hold off

for a year or two and then I'm gonna sell it.

Oh Then then you'll probably get 400 bucks for

it. That's maybe well, you know what I I figure

I'm probably going to be... My folks are probably

going to be moving in a maybe in the next six

months. So I'm going to be going through some

of my collection and selling some stuff that

I just don't want. Like the 19 inch tall Cheetor

figure from Beast War or Beast Machines. That

damn thing's bigger than my cats. It foggles

my mind why you would have that. Dude, it was

on sale at Walmart. for ten dollars at one point

i'm like fine they twisted your arm i see okay

so getting off of the third party wagon i guess

i will go last here and i want to apologize in

advance but none of the stuff that i have coming

in has actually arrived yet i have you can't

talk about stuff that you don't have that's not

fair no i'm not talking about stuff i don't have

You don't have it yet. I don't have it yet. I'm

going to tell people what I'm getting in, and

then I'm going to talk about this mustard thing

that I have in my hand. It's a jar of mustard

with some red on it. It's mustard and ketchup

with pegs and, I don't know, oil. I'm getting

in... Sons of Cybertron animated set I'll probably

be go shopping and try to find Megatron and Soundwave

from Generations War for Cybertron versions Those

master's figures on on I was gonna say Maddie

Collector those master's figures on BBTS are

calling my name Yes, exactly so again I get apologized

in advance because I will be talking about Transformers

Armada Hotshot. Why? Because... I thought we

gave you adequate enough warning that we were

not gonna want that to be discussed. Now we must

find you and we must eliminate you. It's my show.

I can do whatever the hell I want. It's my party.

I have to preface this whole thing. Back in January,

my birthday is in February, so back in January,

another co -host of the show, Michael Wilson,

who's a good friend of mine and he helps co -host

the Beast on Leash podcast with Steve and I.

I had been wanting an optimal optimus and he

said oh I have an extra one it's not complete

as far as having all the weapons and missiles

but you know the actual figure is complete his

hands are there his feet are there and all that

stuff so it's not like it was a broken figure

I was like oh well cool here's my address if

you want to send it to me fine and he sent me

this giant box with a bunch of packing peanuts

and a optimal optimus was in there there was

also a Star Wars transformers crossover Millennium

Falcon uh... this armada hot shot and a bunch

of other stuff that he had i guess laying around

he was cleaning out his closet or something the

toys that he just had doubles over something

so i think you're or or crap heeheehee so i figure

that you know i might as well cuz the there's

a really isn't anything cuz i'm saving some stuff

for other episodes so I figure I might as well

dig into this box and see what I can find and

yeah holy crap this guy sucks you know we talked

for like a half an hour before you started recording

this about the sheer shittiness of that figure

and you and all this time that we have been talking

You couldn't have come with something else to

talk about? Well, I would have grabbed my Maddie

Collector SDCC 2010 Tokyo Mater toy, but I need

a Phillips... What? Yeah, I was going to say

you haven't figured out how to open that thing

yet. Oh, I've got it open. I just can't get it

off the goddamn electronic box plate because

I need a fucking Phillips screwdriver to get

the damn screws out. You don't have a Phillips

screwdriver? I used to. I don't know if it is.

It's somewhere in this apartment. I can't find

the damn thing. So anyway, Armada Oddshot. Wow.

You know, the sad thing is I was actually thinking

of reviewing that figure as someone who's been

going back and reviewing a bunch of Armada figures.

I was thinking of reviewing that. Didn't you

already review him? That one? Yeah. Don't think

I could have sworn I saw a review of yours that

was Armada hotshot. Could you torch shreds universe

hotshot? Okay, maybe that's what it was Yeah

Yeah, I just looked it up universe hotshot. Oh

Boy that oh man that that I pulled that guy out

of the box. I was like, oh hot shot. Maybe it's

not as yes. It's as bad as So I was so aggravated

when they decided to release that again in the

universe line Like you could have come up with

something a little bit better of all the videos

that I've done one one that seems to be very

popular in creating a level of controversy is

my legend class animated Starscream in which

I Boiled it burned it beat it with a hammer threw

it in a garbage disposal, took it out of a garbage

disposal and then proceeded to throw it in the

garbage. I really should get a universe hotshot

and do another video like that to that figure.

So anyways. I should make that figure eat a double

down. Oh jeez. Apparently they brought it back.

Oh yeah, I know. For what? they're doing they're

releasing it again i've been seeing commercials

for it all night for what how are they what what

the kfc double down i've been seeing ads for

it oh i saw oh my god i thought you were talking

about hot shot no no no no no oh god i'm like

found a way to re -release that thing again no

oh thank god Well, don't you remember the Transformers

Collectors Club was doing a... They did what,

Dion or whatever it was? Yeah, Dion. Didn't that

figure also... Didn't that figure end up sucking?

Yes. Oh yeah, everybody still hated it. So, I

mean, it's not a good figure. There's, there's...

I mean... Now, in the universe figure, there

was... major issue with the American release

versus the Japanese release the Japanese release

had notches cut out just underneath where the

license plate was and that enabled you to actually

pose the back the Rear parts on his shoulders

in such a way that they didn't pop off as soon

as you moved the figure Well, I get to tell you

I watched about Two and a half, maybe three and

a half episodes of Armada back in the day. And...

Good for you. I absolutely fucking hate that

cartoon. And... Hotshot is easily the ugliest

toy in my entire collection. This thing... Which

is why I've never bought one. I don't know why

people are compelled... Everybody and their mother

hates that thing Yet for some reason people are

compelled to still buy this. Oh, maybe they just

don't like it Maybe I'll like it when I get it

and then they're brought over to the dark side,

too And they're convinced at that point that

the toy is a piece of poop And then the bad thing

about him is the bad thing about the armada version

of hotshot and I don't know about the universe

version but Most transformers you have to push

their head down or turn it around and then push

it down into a slot that it fits into. Hot Shot,

no. You just have to put a night mask over his

fucking face. Yeah, that's all he needs. Oh,

god. And the Ottawa logo on him sucks. You know

what I just noticed? I don't mean to interrupt

you, but the munitioner is... is now sold out

on Big Bad Toy Store. They have it for pre -order

again. Well, at least it's for pre -order and

not pre -order sold out, so that's good. Well,

yeah. But their first shipment is apparently...

Because one of my arguments against that whole

set was... I was talking to a friend of mine

and I said, I think it's stupid that they packaged

them separately. If they packaged them together,

you could probably shave off a couple dollars

off the price. Because really... who's going

to buy just one of them? Apparently, people are

buying just one of them. I think a lot of people

are saying that they like the, not the Munitioner,

but the Explorer figure better, but I've seen

more evidence that people are buying the Munitioner

figure over The Explorer figure. Well, let's

face it. I mean, you guys have already said,

Munitioner and Explorer, it's basically Swindle

and Blastoff. I mean, that's who they are. You

know, every picture I look at, every view I see,

I think I would like Blastoff a lot better if

his nose cone wasn't so long. There is a reason

why that nose cone is so long. and that's because

in the transformation his fists actually are

inside that nose cone and they need to be there

in such a way that if they were to shrink the

nose cone anymore it would actually become very

very breakable that makes sense that makes sense

but it just it just looks weird to me it does

I mean compared to the rest of the figure I mean

there's a good I'd say it's a good quarter of

an inch worth of nose cone there And that's you

know, and when you look at a space shuttle, it's

not that long No, so I think what so I think

when you when I look at this I see you Yeah,

I'm sorry, but it looks like a piece of turd

The colorings aren't that that's one thing that

really really threw me off about about a explorer

is it's so dark the colors are so so dark and

i'll be honest when i pulled them out of the

box i was like oh god it's shit brown yeah i

mean those are the original colors back from

the old absolutely absolutely i mean i understand

why they did it i mean it's it's a nice homage

to the original blast off i just i don't know

i look at that and i see mr hanky the christmas

poo i don't see Mr. Hankey I teased my girlfriend

because she's Jewish and I say is that your official

Christmas song can I sing that to you every year

when she'll probably kick you in the nuts You

know what the funny thing is now I have to put

the goddamn Hanukkah song in this episode It'll

make more sense for people One thing I really

do like is the set that I have like I said was

the set from Japan of a Burticus Maximus and

I just like the colors of the three of the helicopter

in the tank and The missile carrier better. I

just like the colors better It's more g1 and

when I put these guys on it, it was a really

nice contrast Yeah, I haven't I haven't quite

decided I at the end of this month there is a

local LA Transformer meet convinced like meetup

a bunch of people on TFW 2005 in the LA area

are getting together and We're gonna be hanging

out the guy who owns toy arena calm is gonna

be there he's from the area and he's gonna he's

gonna bring these and I'll probably buy them

then and I don't have a Bruticus Maximus figure

yet so I'm watching and that's what you know

what one thing I really liked about your review

was that I could see a different version of the

Bruticus Maximus figure and see how it looked

because I have to decide which one I'm gonna

get All of them are god damn ridiculous in terms

of really expensive price. It's so stupid how

expensive they are So I'm like I got to pay a

hundred dollars to buy these two figures then

I got to pay another hundred dollars This is

good. I mean It's just it's just in my mind if

you don't already have the Bruticus Maximus figure.

That's probably where I would say This set isn't

worth it I hate to agree with you, but you're

right. If you don't have a Burticus Maximus already,

you're looking at quite an investment. I mean,

you're looking at easily two, maybe even 300

bucks worth of investment. Yeah. I mean, I'm

going to get it. There's no doubt. I mean, I

love the way it looks. pisses me off that it

looks so good because it makes it so I can't

pass this thing up but you can't pass anything

up you buy everything I like so do I well you

Spada spent over six hundred and something dollars

on revenge of the fallen toys yeah and I thoroughly

regret it but I've made all of that money back

yeah um There you go. Like I said before, about

Hot Shot, well first of all, I don't really like

looking at this damn thing. This is going to

be the worst robot head face molding ever. Oh

golly, it's awful. It is so ugly and I would

rather just keep him, and I hate to say this,

I really hate to say this because it's an insult

to this person, I would really much rather keep

him as a Geordi LaForge with the mask down. Oh

my. Look at his damn face. Don't blame you. Do

not blame you one bit. I'm sorry, LeVar Burton,

but... Somewhere in this world, he's gonna come

across this podcast. And he's going to thoroughly,

thoroughly beat you. He's gonna hate us. You've

ruined my chance, because of all the next generation

people, he seems like the most accessible and

most likable. Approachable of all of them and

we have just alienated that We're gonna have

to settle for like Michael Dorn or something

now. Hey, leave Calaback alone Anyhow, so I think

He's gonna put some reading rainbow up your ass

You should we're gonna have a lot of interesting

music in this in this in this podcast this week

Yeah, but so it in other words Mike. Um, can

you recommend the universe hotshot? I don't have

a universe. I have a mother. I think it's Whatever

the same thing. No Can you recommend this glorious

piece of shit Mike? Oh, yeah, there you go It's

kind of like friggin warbot if I ever got warbot,

I'd probably end up breaking it and burning it

Fucking spring very possible very possible So

I guess we're done right Yeah, my cat is is trying

to suck milk out of the balls no no Know a blanket

that she likes laying on and that's her cue for

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Until next time. Jam. Jam Jam jam that like the

Michael Jackson song jam. No. Oh god. You guys

didn't get that. No, you know be What is the

state of be be beast war be WTF calm then ease

so, huh? He uh, yes this picture of a hot shot

standing giving the thumbs up saying jam Nice.

Oh. No idea why. Okay, and that's the outro.