Interview with Derrick J. Wyatt on Plushie Transformers and Puggleformers

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Five, four, three, two, one. Hello and welcome

to Toycast. I'm your host TF2 and Mike and this

is the all plush cast. Plush formers, Puggle

formers, everything plushy that's good and everything

else. I'm joined by Callie, hello. Hello. S Chung,

hello. Hello. And this one guy, you may know

him, he helped launch a nationwide craze called

Transformers Animated for the first time on the

Geekcast Radio Network. derrick j white hello

everyone how are you sir i'm doing all right

thinking about plushes that's soft things on

the brain wait that sounds terrible let's start

this over already no no that's good stuff right

there um why don't we go around the table and

everybody introduce themselves kelly you can

go first wonderful um hello Hello, I'm Callie.

I make the Puggleformers, the Puff Puggles, although

I think the Puggleforms are more known now. And

anything, anyone will request of me in Puggleform,

apparently. I have some requests. Should I give

them to you now, or should I wait till after

the show? Wait till after the show. That'll be

an entire list. Between the two of us, I'm sure

we could keep her in business for at least four

years. Well, like keep me swamped for two years.

Yeah. That's true. And S. Chung, tell us about

yourself as far as how you get into plushes and

all that stuff and what kind of plush things

you make. Okay, hello. I am S. Chung and I've

been sewing plushes for way too long. Actually,

I ran into it by accident. Yeah, so... I just

saw someone else's custom -made toy and was like,

oh, I can do that, right? My first one was so

bad, I set it on fire. Did you actually set it

on fire? Just about, pretty much. I did burn

it. You're dangerous. It was awful. It was awful.

I've made all kinds of plushes, everything from

humans to robots to, well, I don't know. I'm

not too good at that. Maybe glitter around things

that resemble globs. Globs can be cute. What

I made was like this football shaped head, uneven

eyed, yarn hair, gorilla arm, pistachio feet

wash for my first one. I made a triangle. Is

that the nori? What? Is that the nori you made?

The Onigiri? Yeah, that was my very first thing.

That was cute. I still have it. Very cool. And

Mr. Wyatt, sir, why don't you introduce yourself

to everybody who may have been living under a

Cybertronian rock for the last few years. Yes,

I'm Derek J. Wyatt. I'm a consumer of things,

of plush robots and Puggles and those kind of

things. I buy a lot and... I have a growing collection.

Yes, I have one and I want so many more. I'm

sorry. It's all your fault. So I guess getting

right into the discussion here, what is it, you

know, and I guess we'll go in the same order,

Callie asked Chung and then Derek. What is it

about plushes or puggleformers that really gets

you guys going as far as whether it's collecting

them or making them? Callie, you can go first.

It's something I remember how to do consistently.

I don't like making the same thing over and over,

like I made these little plush toast for a while,

but they're just the same thing with no variety

whatsoever. and now i actually get challenged

to make something or to turn something into these

round little blob things and for some reason

it really excites me yes i uh i have a challenge

for you as well because my next one is going

to be transmetal tube cheetor yes i saw that

and i still don't think metallic fabrics will

work very well that sucks Ask Chung, what about

you as far as like, what's for you, what is so

great about making your plush bots or your anything

and your plush humans or whatever and do you

collect other people's stuff? Yeah, I collect

other people's stuff. I have one of Callie's,

yay! I have a couple of Mooshas or Sharlee, what

am I calling you? Moosharlee. How about Slumblebee?

Yes, Chung. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry. I just

went thud on the floor. I don't know, I guess

it's just being able to create that which does

not already exist yet. And then it's like I see

commercial made toys and it's like, oh god, you've

got to be kidding me, right? This can be better.

Slumblebee! That one wasn't too bad, but the

movie prime one that looked more like an anamorphous

blob of color. Was it the really lanky, lanky

thing too? I don't know. It was like 20 bucks

at Target. It was like real flimsy. I went to

touch one once and the wheel fell off. I just

touched it. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going

to hide this and put it back or something. How

does a wheel fall off a plush thing? Poorly made

commercial toys, I guess. I don't know. These

things happen. Yeah, you gotta have a little

bit more than a Chinese sweatshop to make these

things. I like creating stuff, then. No, I mean,

as far as the commercial stuff, as far as the

poorly made commercial stuff, you have to have

a little more than a Chinese sweatshop to make

them. You'd be surprised what I found in some

that I took apart for study in the earlier years

of this. Oh boy. Let's just say it involved a

little bit of dirt and a bead hole. A dead beetle.

I don't know, maybe it was a roach. Well, it's,

you know, it's, what isn't it, isn't it, uh,

contains, contains at least 10 % reused materials.

This was like 90 % like... Reused beetle legs

and... And human hair. Oh my goodness. Oh, that's

funny. To be fair, I found things like that in

actual stuffing bags that I've gotten at the

art store. Oof, that's not good. Okay, and Derek,

we know you don't make these or you haven't attempted

one yet, but how did you get into collecting

these? Well, let's see, I think I bought one.

Actually, I bought one first from... Great, now

my brain is gonna die. I'm not alone. Shirley

S. Chung, sorry, gave me a present of a swindle

and myself plush. Didn't you get a swindle before

that? I thought they were they weren't at the

same time like wasn't wasn't swindle from jace

and then The me was from you, right? That's very

confusing I think I think they came at the same

time. No, I mean like oh, oh, yeah. No, I did

have a I had a swindle before yeah from um from

a different girl that I can't remember right

now it's gonna kill me because Sure, it wasn't

some girl named swell her. I think her idea is

sewing stars yes sewing stars that's right yes

so that was my first that was my first and i'm

very very sorry that i couldn't remember that

name that's ridiculous of me my memory is so

bad but um so that kind of started the whole

ball rolling and then uh i also i've got um another

person i can't remember now i got this huge optimus

animated optimus as a gift too and i took pictures

of it with david k like how huge I think he is

like two and a half or three feet tall. Pretty

big. Wow. Yeah. That's. And so it's just just

spiral out of control from there, you know, and

then it's like once you start to see these things

kind of amassing, then it's like, oh, I really

like a grandis or, you know, and then surely

makes me a grandis. And then then Kelly, you

know, I started seeing Kelly stuff and she asked

me if I would. Like when I said, of course and

then I got a swindle from her and then one day

I was um, I think she was posting pictures of

Of some new project she was working on and I

was like, oh I I drew on a post that I drew a

bulkhead in a bumblebee puggle. I saw that and

I wonder if I could I wonder if I put these up

if she would if I could trick her into making

these for me That's fantastic that's funny and

that's my story yeah, I am I had oh no, I know

what it was And she's going to kill me for not

having her on the episode, but you know, four

people is like the max for me on these things

because it just gets too hectic to control and

people talk over each other and all that. But

NitroStreak on Twitter, Cali made her a flame

war, TFA flame war. And I'm like, ooh, I want

one. And I was trying to rack my brain of who

I would like, who I would most want. And I'm

thinking, oh, it's perfect. Shattered glass,

Rodimus Prime. And this thing is just awesome.

He's got his goatee, he's got a mustache, he's

got the purple crest, the silver or I guess gray

wing back, and of course two flaming purple Autobot

symbols on the side and he's all black. It's

awesome. I messed up on that mustache so badly.

No you didn't. Doesn't look like you did. I could

have done it better. Huh? Whenever I make my

own stuff, I immediately see failure, and I don't

know why. That's because you're your own worst

critic. Yes. All the rest of us just see brilliance.

Yeah, exactly. And see what's funny is I like

the way, Callie, how you do your previews, where

you take a picture of, I guess, of the puggle

and then put it in another picture and then title

it. I think that's really, really neat as far

as showing them for... The pictures that you

make. To show them off that you put on Deviantart.

With the names and stuff? Yeah, with the names

and stuff. Oh, on Deviantart you mean? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Very, very cool. I wish September 1st

would hurry up and get here because I still can't

wait to see the design on Cheetor because Cheetor

is going to be awesome. I think Cheetor will

be your first Beast Wars one, won't it? There

was a rat trap. Oh yeah, there was a rat trap,

that's right. Assuming you get the commission

slot, man. I can't give special preference or

people will hate me. So in demand. I noticed

that, um, that's Chung, you've done a lot of

duplicates, but Kelly, you seem like you haven't

done that many doubles, huh? I've done a coupled

I got two commissions for drift at the same time

no idea what happened there, and they both came

out looking radically different I Didn't think

they were that radical But I wasn't there in

person either expecting them so They look drift

II they both look drift II to me And I was gonna

I'm just gonna ask them surely that you're saying

that you made what five sky warps Something like

that. I don't know. I lost count somewhere because

you kind of lose count after a while You don't

keep a tally running. No, I had a photo of like

Six optimist primes. I did all at once. I wasn't

six or five five or six. I don't know. Whatever

I Can't find the photo. I must have deleted it

I have made, I think, four TFA shockwaves and

two TFA Prowls, but the TFA Prowls I had an experiment

going with fabrics, so the picture of them has

them side by side and one is just glowing, very

frankly, from a metallic fabric attempt that

failed. Ooh, shiny. Was the metallic tricky,

then? You were saying that Chidar, he didn't

think Chidar would work with the metallic? Well,

the thing is, I do mine by hand. I don't use

a sewing machine. And I need to use fabrics that

don't fray at the edges or things just go all

over the place, which is why I use fleece and

felt mostly. I usually have to go through the

fabric store and just poke at things until I

find something that works if I need something

for visors or random experiments. What, um, and

Charlie, yours are, yours have like a velour

-ish finish, right? Like the - It's suede. Is

it suede? Yeah, they call it - My head is made

out of suede. Close your nose. Actually, I think

- Oh, that skin fabric is called deer suede,

and like, the rest of it's called alova suede

cloth. I have no idea why they name it like,

15 different names, because it all feels and

looks the same to me. Well, well, well, S. Jong

is an expert and I'm not. I'm not an expert.

You've been doing - It's much longer. You've

been doing this longer than I have. Ladies, this

false modesty has got to stop. Come on. A decade?

False modesty coming from the guy who created

one of the best cartoons out there right now.

Hey, I want season three. Yeah, I don't know.

We're not really going to get too far into that

because I don't want, you know... I'd like Derek

to come back on the show at some point. I don't

want him getting mad at me for deviating off

of the actual topic. So when people generally

ask you guys for commissions, what's, like, I

mean, how much deed, I mean, I know, like, Callie,

you put, like, I asked you if you could do the

wing on him, and you said, yeah, you think you

could, and you can do the flame and everything

else on the side. Like, are people really picky

on it, or, I mean, how has your experience been

with some of the commissions? I only had one

really horrible commission and I rather not get

into it because I already ranted about it on

a Devin art journal last month. It forced me

to create a new rule, let's say, but most of

the time people are really nice. They just say,

hey, can you make this character? And I'm like,

sure. And that's the end of the conversation.

Sometimes I'll ask them for a mock -up if my

brain is kind of not sure how they want it to

look. But most of the time I just go into it,

look at the character, see what comes to mind

when I put it all together on paper. What about

you, S. Chung? Most people just ask me, can you

make such and such character? And I'm like, yeah,

sure. I don't really get too many people asking

me any specifics beyond that. I mean... Well,

there was a couple where they'll like ask could

you make sure he at least has like The toe cannons

for vector or something like that Yeah, the vector

prime I made the gal wanted to make sure she

had that nose cone thing in the back and like

the Little wing I don't know what they are. They're

like wings or something and like this Gem in

the middle of his chest and I was about it anything

else was like whatever My grandest has his shoulder

cannons and his like the the cannons in the front

of his shoulders and his radars and He's got

lots of stuff Yeah, I don't like doing treads

Sorry, but it looks so good though Well, I took

the same idea with the blitzwing on doing treads.

Oh the blitzwing the blitzwing is freaking amazing

We should just talk about that for a second because

it's like he actually has the rotating Rotating

faces. Yeah, I saw that picture that picture

was amazing You can't see the treads on his legs

because he has treads and I failed to take better

pictures of it I love it all the they all have

like, you know, they're in your style and stuff

But they they have so much character to like

they totally look like you know They have the

animated character feel each of the faces. So

kudos Yeah, that's what I notice in a lot of

the fan -made animated stuff. It's pretty much

spot -on true to the design for the most part.

I think Lugnut was my favorite. Oh, for the stuff

that Shirley and Callie are making? Yeah, as

far as the plush things and the puggles, for

the most part, they're fairly show -accurate.

IC Blitzwing that Callie did was pretty freaking

incredible too. I really really like that one.

Too bad that one can't have three faces because

it's just a round thing. Which Blitzwing? I made

two but the first one was kind of a failure.

The second one I actually liked how it came out.

The um, I know yeah the IC one he looked I thought

you looked really fantastic. The lug nut was

a huge I think that one's amazing too that one's

really great. I mean I don't know I can't really

Pick you know one out of all of them, but they're

there Yeah, they're all good and like I said

earlier. I made the Pokemon joke you know got

to catch them all and that's really what it is

because because for me it's like Kelly has all

these other designs that I've seen and it's like

well I want one of those, I want one of those,

I want one of those and it's like yikes Too bad

it takes eight hours to make one And each one

kind of comes out Different you know in an individual

way, so it's like yeah, you really can't catch

them all because they're they're all a little

bit different Well, you do dude like you do yeah,

I know I know Kelly you do the you also do Me

you make the same ones over if people request

it right Sure, I've had even requests for OCs

jinx on the Twitter RP um Requested her character

and I mistook a flame war as an original character.

I'm sorry to all the people. Oh dear Yeah No,

no bot -con Wasn't that was a bot -con one, right?

Oh, no, what was it again flame war flame? Yeah,

that's a bot -con Yeah I'm surprised Nitro Streak

didn't kill me when I mistook it for an OC. I'm

sorry Nitro Streak! Let me see, what else? So,

alright, as far as your rules for commissions,

Kelly, what are your rules for commissions? I'm

first in line all the time, right? That's the

rule. I'll fight you for that position, sir.

I think I might win, sorry. I open my commissions

once a month on a first -come first -serve basis.

Whoever manages to poke me first, either on a

private message system whose name escapes me

for the moment. Yeah. And I usually only accept

10. Because I work Only do so many per month

because I have a job at the same time and a what

is an eight -hour commute or something you like

bus ride for My commute um Last time it's been

going really fast lately this time last year

it would it would take days to fill it up because

no one really I Before the public warmers. No

one really looked at my stuff and now it's going

just like like that and And I'm going a little

insane in the process, but nonetheless um as

for actual rules The requested by me and I'll

see what I can do as long as it's not Offensive

or religious or or something that's going to

squick people, right? Do you get do you get bummed

out that you do too? You know, do you think you

do too many transformers and not enough original

ones or are you cool with it? It's kind of fun.

I guess because I'm a Transformers fan. Someone

did request a Bioshock one and I've never played

the game, but it still was kind of exciting because

it was a really strange looking character as

far as I look at it. It had like this porthole

for a face. Did they like it? Yeah, they actually

made two requests. The first one I had to shut

down because the character had yellow eyes, and

solid color eyes that don't have a pupil don't

exist, and I am very annoyed by this. S. Chung,

if you know a supplier with solid color doll

eyes, I will love you forever. Oh, but I have

no idea on how to get around it. I'm not too

sure about using paint. I've had that suggestion

before because I'm not very secure. with my own

painting methods, because frankly, I kind of

failed at the Warhammer painting thing I gave

a very brief shot at. Try the model kit paints

in the spray can and spray it. I took a bunch

of eyes and I poked a bunch of holes in paper

and stabbed the eyes into the paper and then

take spray paint and go every which direction

until it Well, you know the layers are thick

enough to where you can't see the black no more

and it actually has the color It takes part It

occurred to me Huh? That never would have occurred

to me. It's just an idea. I Like this idea. I'll

give it a shot Yeah, I actually have another

idea for Puggles, but wow, I don't know. I don't

know how well it would it would come off. I'm

uh... for my desktop image i have a picture of

my masters of the universe classics figures and

i'm thinking holy crap adamant adores his kids

so people will form a record master puggles are

you go master puggles scouts or be pretty neat

to see ask those who are awesome and in total

form yeah you would be uh... let's see uh...

as children's falling what i need to follow Oh,

I made one of him too. So he did? Yeah, I didn't

put his pick up. He has like these little fire

puff balls. So was yours the comic book version

or was it the movie version? No, it was the comic

book version. That black tank thing. Yeah, I

put extinguisher next to him because I was afraid

he was going to set my whole room on fire. Callie's

is a movie, right? Movie version? I failed on

his hat. He looks like a space pope. He looks

a little popey, huh? I couldn't get the point.

I don't know what happened there. But by then

I was like an hour seven and I just wanted to

finish it. Yeah, that's funny. So, Shirley, what

do you charge for your plush bots? Nah, I'm currently

not taking any more orders at this point. Oh,

okay But I mean just in general so people know

what what do you charge about a hundred bucks?

Okay, which is a bargain We're considering 50

hours go into it. I would hope yeah Yeah, talk

about sweatshop So is there do you have any plans

to Go back to it. You must be going back to it

at some point. Please tell me you are, yes? Not

right now. Well, right now I'm like trying to

move into an apartment. I'm going to try and

take a little break from it. We'll go from there.

You're going to actually try to live your life

a little bit instead of just sewing for a while.

Battery's dead. Got to recharge it. I've heard

that. Yeah. I'd kind of want to like do some

plushes for myself for once because I got like

this eternally long list of plushes to do for

me and it's like it's being neglected I'm going

to cry I kind of feel the same way like with

you know not with plush but with you know I don't

draw for myself anymore I kind of just I would

love to just you know have have some time I can

sit down and actually just draw something that

I want to draw instead of what other you know

150 other people are telling me to do If you

draw something for yourself, and I want to plush

it yeah Right there a comic and merchandise Yeah,

that's funny Kelly, what do you normally charge

when you do take commissions? I'm running out

of those. The tags? No, I have these little stamps

that I got on Zazzle, but they sell the stamps

for like triple the post office price. Oh. I

caught them on a sale once. I'd rather not pay

Zazzle at the triple post office price when I

could just get some forever stamps. Yeah. Zazzle

is kind of expensive. I think after shipping

I've spent... know we're getting off topic here,

but I think after shipping I spent like something

like $75 for two t -shirts Yeah, I know it's

crazy Derek what has been the number one strangest

thing a fan has ever given you You know I had

some crazy stuff in in an auto assembly people

were giving me like like somebody gave me a Action

master elite double punch and and somebody else

give me a windmill like like expensive things

people have good. I don't know strange strange

things Oh someone someone gave me a drawing that

they did of me it was kind of weird I Don't know

I didn't get any bags of poo or anything. I can't

think of I can't think of anything that's weirder

than that. I usually generally really like the

stuff people give me. It's just fun. People will

do animated art for the art shows and then give

me a framed print or something. It's usually

pretty cool. One thing I'd like to see, I don't

know if this will ever happen, but I'd like to

see Matt Moylan's little formers but animated

style. That's changed the subject very quickly.

I know. Oh, is that a sore point? Yeah, I'm not

a fan, thanks. Oh, okay, alright. He's also not

a fan of mine, so the feeling is very mutual.

Okay then, let's move on here. I'm trying to

think here. Yeah, the way I've approached the

Puggles stuff is the same way I approach Mighty

Mugs. If it's characters that I like, I have

to have them all. That's that also is a you know

I have a one -of -one plush of myself, and I

have a one -of -one mighty mug of myself Now

where did the mighty mug come did that come from

Hasbro? Did somebody did it did it is from Hasbro?

It's a genuine. It's an actually You ought to

put pictures of that thing on your on your Facebook

Especially if they came in an actual box with

the design on it There was no box. Oh. It's on

the TF wiki. Oh yeah, it's on the wiki. Do we

want to say anything else more on the Puggle

Formers or the Plushbots? I can't think of anything.

Yeah, these things are awesome. I want to make

a seven foot tall. Worker's maximus. I have no

idea You're thinking is so limited it's just

crazy if you think that costume though, right

you made a Yeah, I made that walk around shattered

glass prime It needs work It's like if there

was if they ever did like a transformers land

like a Disneyland then then they definitely need

to get you at least at least I don't know you

could have your own little bunch of people we

can make and walk around the giant plushies walking

around hugging random people terrifying them

I did terrify a bunch of people terrified about

half the kids in that costume It's it's something

it is some there's something kind of Well, it's

a little unsettling, you know, you see like a

full -sized. I mean, you know bigger than life

-sized a plush walking around Just the red angry

narrowed optics and strata class primes like

this angry Yeah, I don't know how you were able

to breathe in that thing. Um, it was a little

stuffy I could breathe the face mask is Well,

it was just that stuff they use for screen doors

Yeah, it's something like that. Yeah, I got it

at the hardware store Whatever works All right,

so I guess we can go ahead and give out information.

Callie, why don't you give out to the people

who are listening where they can find your stuff.

Because they requested first and last names.

And there you go. Okay, and what about you S.

Chung? I'm on Twitter as Moosha168. And I'm on

Facebook. Under Shirley Chung. Okay. Oh my gosh,

your real name? Oh, come on. I make people try

to threaten to burn down my house. She's serious,

by the way. That's not good. Well, yeah, but

it's not like they know where I live. Just make

sure that you get the plush out first, okay?

Yeah, sure. All for a plushie, right? Come on,

there are better things to threaten me over.

Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't really have

any other sight at the moment. Okay. Once you

get back up and running, and whenever your batteries

recharge, you'll let us know. It'll be a few

months. Okay. Take some time, you've earned it.

I give you permission. Oh, I have permission!

Woohoo! Alright! Oh, man. And Derek, where can

people find you on the web to interact with you

as far as your blog or anything like that? Where

can't they find me? Pretty much I think everything

is just DerekJY at all one word, you know, at

FormSpring, at Blogger, at Facebook, I'm under

my name, Twitter. It's my email address, everything.

So just, you know, if you put the The J in the

middle there and keep all those names together

then you should find me It's like it's like a

less creepy version of deviant art There's not

as much yucky stuff there. I think maybe there

is maybe I just don't go around it as much but

it's just like it's just a place where I put

and post drawings and stuff like, you know quarterly

quarterly drawings okay I have one last question

before I close the show here Derek was it intentional

to make shockwave have his true colors in season

3 okay there's a quick story about that if I

have time go ahead so as soon as I did shockwave

in gray you know as I was as I was coloring it

I immediately did a purple one and I knew for

the storyline that he couldn't be purple because

it just wouldn't wouldn't you know, especially

an animated universe You can't have a purple

Autobot. I just it can't happen. So So I did

that and I sent them both To Eric Siebenahler

and I said hey look what I did this one for fun,

too And he's like, yeah, that's cool. And so

we're going along Season 3 and I kind of forgot

about it. You know, it was it was it's a really

busy, you know, we had you know, almost as many

characters in season 3 as we did in and one and

two put together. So it was really busy. And

as I was going along, I got an email from Eric

and he said that I think Joe Kied was doing some

exclusives for Target. He's going to do a Sunstorm

and a Purple Shockwave. And I was like, oh, awesome.

And I ran into Marty's office and I was like,

Marty, they're doing a purple version of the

Shockwave as a toy. So is there any way we can,

you know, this was, and I think it was like,

we were. We were either Shipping our last show

or had shipped it, you know, it's it's already

over and done I'm like and I kind of called this

emergency meeting and had had this stuff, you

know You know, it's like Marty's like, oh, yeah,

that's cool. We can do that We can put it in

there and get it recorded and then so so that's

where how we were able to do it, you know hastily

as you know as we found out that was happening,

I'm really glad because I It's you know Shockwave

is weird being gray. I like him. I mean, it's

said the Radio Shack thing I guess but Yeah,

I gotta say and I've said this before and I don't

think Derek has heard me say this but I was watching

that episode and When that happened when the

color change happened, I literally fell out of

bed. I Wanted people to freak when they saw it,

you know because I freaked You know, you go along

for a whole season and you're kind of used to

it being gray, right? And then when it happens,

it's like, oh my god. So, you know. And then

he had purple long arm. Yes. Yeah, he snuck purple

long arm in there. Oh, yeah, that's right. Because,

yeah, because he transformed because of our,

yeah, RC. Okay. I don't know if you can hear

it in the final audio or not, but that was the

creepiest thing Corey Burton did was he was kind

of going back and forth between long arm and

shockwave in this really weird super super creepy

way and it was it was i think some of the dialogue

got cut and stuff but it was like just watching

him do that and record was it was pretty spectacular

i like your imitation thank you yes and and before

i go into our closing for uh for a geek cast

radio and toy cast uh poor blur oh I know you

I know you've heard it before but this is like

I said this is the first time I've talked to

you and I'm Really trying to hold back the fanboy

ism. So all I gotta say is poor blur That was

I think I was so focused on you know, like I

said everything was it was such a hectic time

and And of course I read the scripts and I looked

at the storyboards and saw that cube getting

designed and everything and I just didn't really

put two and two together that he was actually...

I thought that, oh they'll be able to... And

then I realized when that cube came across my

desk I was like, oh geez, this is really bad.

So I tried to put the spark in there. last minute

and send it off but it didn't end up in the in

the final animation so and then he gets thrown

into the incinerator anyway so i don't know you

know that's so wrong i have a i have a sequel

um if i ever did like a mosaic or something i

have a a sort of what happened to blur that i

will tell something i'm excited by this Very

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