BotCon 2010 Exclusives Breakdown and War for Cybertron Discussion

Cliffjumper, commence countdown. Five, four,

three, two... Hello and welcome to the 62nd episode

of Toycast, sponsored by BigBadToyStore .com,

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items. I am your host, DFJ on mic, and joining

me is Pecan Court Michael. Hello. Hey, how's

it going? It's going, how are you? I'm hanging

in there. Yes, and while Toycast is not officially

back yet, this is the second of two, um... I

guess teaser episodes, spotlight episodes, whatever

you want to call them. In this one, Michael is

going to be briefly talking about every single

exclusive toy from BotCon 2010. Woof. Woof? There's

a lot? Oh, there's only eleven. Ha ha! Only.

Well, this isn't going to be like, you know...

In -depth reviews of just basically general discussion

about So this one has Don't forget the head.

Oh, he can actually look up No, I don't think

we're gonna get that in depth but you know We'll

definitely briefly gloss over each one. Yes You

know who has gone in depth and I've really enjoyed

reading his reviews on the BotCon toys. Thorazine.

He's got some really nice reviews posted and

he takes awesome, awesome photos. Yes, he does.

I kind of wish that his collection was a little

bigger. You know, because it's like... the BotCon

Clench, I'd really like to see him photoed next

to all the other repaints of this mold. Well,

you can do that, can't you? I could. I haven't

taken any photos in a while, and I don't have

the photo booth, which is basically why I quit

taking photos. I suppose I could always put something

together. But you know back when I was actually

using my Flickr account I was taking way too

much time to set up backgrounds and lighting

and all that other stuff and Just gave up on

it But hey Thorazine's got some really nice stuff

up now In fact, I was looking at these photos

and it's like wow I don't even have to take mine

out of the package now I got pretty good pictures

of them right here Yeah So you I know I think

I think this was an old blog post, but you put

a blog post on Twitter the other day about Like

the opening day of three years ago Yeah, four

years ago now that was back in 2006. Yep, but

I originally posted that when I first built my

oak shelves I basically had all these toys in

boxes, and I wanted to take them out of the boxes

and put them on the shelves. And I could not

bring myself to do it. And I said, you know,

Chrissy, I told my wife, you know, Chrissy, I've

got all these toys. Can you help me open them?

And she's like, heck yeah. And she just started

tearing the shit out of them. And, you know,

here's me, I'm freaking out. I'm like, oh my

God, you know, don't open them. But she did.

She has opened everything and it was good, you

know, because I got to get everything on the

shelves, but it was so scary. It was a scary

moment. It was a scary moment because she's like

me when it comes to packaging. I just rip it

open. Exactly. Yeah, there's just no, you know,

like I try to be careful and cut the plastic

off and, you know, keep the card in good shape

or as good as you can without, you know. Yeah.

With that expert knifing skills that has your

name engraved on it. That's right, the knife

of doom. My vorpal blade, as I cut through a

plastic with ease. Yeah, so, I try to be more

careful, whereas she's just like, rawr, and tearing

through things. Yeah, but she was a big help,

so we got all that stuff out of there. and was

putting stuff up. But somebody had said on Twitter,

and I forget exactly how this came about, but

it was like, oh, you know, I needed my wife to

help me open toys or something. And I said, oh,

well, you know, my wife helps. And I posted that

link. And it didn't occur to me that link was

like four years old. Kind of strange I was hunting

for it. I'm like, I know it's in here somewhere,

but I didn't realize it was that far back Mmm,

so it's kind of strange. But yeah, my favorite

part of that post was The link to a movie called

open no, it's called a Figure club. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you watch the figure club link? No. Oh, it's

awesome. It's it's kind of a riff on fight club

Yeah, I figured as much. Yeah, it was a riff

on Fight Club, except it's a story about this

guy who collects all mint on card, not transformers,

Star Wars figures. And, you know, Tyler Durden

comes along and says, you have to open all your

toys. You know, all your toys are sitting in

this plastic and they're meant to be played with.

You know, you got to open them up and free them.

And the quote I liked was Only once you open

up all your toys. Are you free to play anything

you want and? You know that really struck me

back then and I'm like shit. I'm gonna open all

my toys You know and then you know four years

later. I have another huge pile that I haven't

opened yet Which you know became the impetus

for opening day mm -hmm movie The gala one -minute

event But Yeah, so we come full circle and I

opened all my toys again. But yeah, in 2006,

my wife helped me and we actually sat down and

inventoried all the toys. And I made my inventory

spreadsheet and then we dusted them, got all

the pieces together, and then put them up on

the shelves. And that was the first time I did

it. So yeah, the second time was just recently.

Yes, and then the next time that there'll be

another opening day, it'll be 2015. Uh -oh, you

gotta watch out for 2015. That's right! There's

a lot of props that are gonna happen in 2015.

The Chupacabras exist, and they've been found

in Texas. I have been reading Exodus, and it's

okay. It's very... it's strange because it's...

It doesn't feel like a Transformers book to me,

even though that's what it is. It feels like

somebody just published their own fan fiction

in book form. Honestly, it does. It doesn't feel

like something that even though Hasbro... I don't

understand this. How can Hasbro be the only copyright

holder? Did they license this guy, Alex Irvine,

to write it and then... They made some sort of

deal with him that only they could have the copyright.

I don't understand that. Well, no, they just

contracted him to write it. Okay. It'd be kind

of like if I asked somebody to write my autobiography.

I still own the rights to it. It's my story.

But somebody else wrote it. The way Aaron Archer

had talked at BotCon, you know, they, primarily

he, right, had sat down and created this new

mythos. and the book and the video game were

for Cybertron were going to be the new canon,

or the beginning of the new canon, actually setting

the story nine million years ago and saying,

okay, this is our reboot. And then everything

that came afterward would follow and be part

of this reboot. And I thought that's great. Fantastic,

let's do it right. He had a handle on things

and he had been talking about actually going

all the way back to the original 13 Transformers.

Like these titans of Transformer mythos and actually

fleshing them out and telling their stories and

how that reflects upon present day Transformers.

Or Transformers of War for Cybertron era. Right

yeah that type of thing and I thought that what

a fantastic idea, but from what I've been hearing

The stuff from the book is already contradicting

the stuff from the game Well the stuff for I'm

only on like chapter 15 or 16. It's like I'm

on page a hundred and something like maybe a

hundred and 25 or 135 and I don't have the book

in front of me. It's it's in my bedroom and The

problem with the book is it says that the leader

is Sentinel Prime. Yeah, and in the video game

it says that the leader is Zeta Prime. Yeah,

and I'm just waiting for Zeta Prime to show up,

or some sort of mention for this, but I'm to

the point now, and hopefully there's nobody listening

to this that hasn't read the book yet, so spoiler

alert here. I haven't read the book. Well, normally

I don't do the spoiler announcement because I

just don't care. But I'm at the point where Optimus

and Megatron are no longer friends. Or, well,

Orion Pax and Megatron are no longer friends

because the council has named Orion Pax Optimus

Prime. And he is the leader of the Autobots and

blah blah blah. And I'm at the point now where

Alpha Trion is just cataloging all this stuff

and basically just saying everything that's happened

in the war. And it's just this long diatribe

of like all these different things. And I'm thinking

where the hell is the damn dialogue? Cause it's

like from chapter... Could they be talking or

something? No. It's just, it's Alpha Trion writing

in the Covenant of Primus. all the stuff all

the battles and and he he mentions uh... ultra

magnus is the leader of the records and he talks

about the seven construct a cons which i hate

that they hate that they put in movie verse number

fucking stupid uh... all seven instructions that

form devastator uh... You know what kills me,

though, is even over BotCon, Aaron Archer was

saying there are hundreds of Constructicons.

Yeah. And there are hundreds of Combaticons.

And there are hundreds of Aerobots. And just

because a certain five combine into Superion,

that doesn't necessarily mean that another five

can't be, you know, Inferion or whoever. I can't...

Inferion, wow. He's not a superior, a superion,

so he's... Well, you know, and I can understand

that, but, I mean, if you're gonna sit there

and say... An origin story for the original Constructicons,

that form Devastator, I would much rather prefer,

obviously, you go by the G1 continuity of 6,

and not the fucking movie continuity of 7. I've

actually read fan fiction and I can't remember

if I'm pretty sure this is fan fiction that said

there was like eight and one of them was a steamroller

or one of them was You know a crane or or something.

I don't know something else something other than

what what the you know, the main six are and

Went in the gory detail about how mr. Steamroller

got dismantled in a battle. Yeah, it's like well

What's Devastator gonna do now? He's missing

a good chunk of his midsection. And that's why

he's so skinny now. Yeah, I don't know. It's

okay. I'm going to eventually read through the

whole thing and write a review of it, but at

this point in time, I'm still reading through

it. It's keeping my interest, but just all the

exposition that Alpha Trion is doing... at the

point in the book that I'm at, it's like, oh

my god, get it over with, I wanna read a shouting

match between Prime and Megatron already or something.

I mean they do, you know, give a lot of good

nods, like I think the, I think page 12, or I

don't know, like in the very beginning of the

book where we don't even know who Megatron really

is, he's just this gladiator named Megatronus,

which I think is stupid as hell. of a name. Really?

Yeah. See, it's interesting, because that's what

they were going to name the evil god of war of

the original 13, because each one has their own

virtue, right, was going to be Megatronus. Yeah.

And that's where the name Megatron comes from.

Yeah. Well, that's where... He didn't say, oh,

Megatron was actually Megatronus, because that...

It's like, wait a minute, are you telling me

that Megatron is the original 13 God of War?

That doesn't make any sense. Well, in the book,

the way that they talk about it is... This gladiator

that has named his his heat he was he was brought

online with no name So once he was doing all

this gladiatorial stuff in in Kayon or Kayon

or however the hell you're supposed to say the

damn city's name. Yeah He gave he he named himself

Megatron us after one of the 13 And then everyone

just started shouting Megatron so he got rid

of the us and that's how it becomes Megatron

in the book But the where the hell was I going

with this damn it? Oh Yeah, no no I know um in

the very beginning when they're doing the whole

gladiatorial thing and and talking about him

doing gladiatorial battles and stuff There was

a point at the end of one of the battles where

He is one and he in all capital letters. It says

I still function and You know that's a nice nod

Basically, um, but yeah, it's okay so far. It's

not as good as I thought it was gonna be So far,

but again, I haven't finished it. So I Think

I'd like to go back and read some of the IDW

trade paperbacks like the origin of Megatron

series See, that's the dizzy how much of that

is actually a nod or how much of that is swiped

completely by the book Yeah, see that's a that's

a see the thing is though. You really can't compare

Yeah, at this point it's two different continuities.

Well, it's not even like continuity fact It's

the fact that the IDW comics trade paperbacks

are just that there are no pictures in this thing

It is an actual it's like if you went to go buy

a John Grisham book Right, but it's a rose novel

stories that sounds a lot alike. I mean, you

know that until IDW did their Megatron origin

story nobody ever thought that Megatron was you

know a minor who became a gladiator who became

a cultural leader hmm You know I mean that was

completely new You know or the the look that

he had before you know before he became I don't

want to say a gun, but yeah And then you know

there's a lot of neat interesting things that

IDW covered and I'm wondering how much was completely

swiped by you know, Hasbro to create this new

mythos. Yeah, I'm not really sure. I mean, so

far it's okay. It's not the best thing I've ever

read, but again, like I've kept saying, I haven't

finished it yet, and I will finish it, but right

now it's... I was doing all I can take to get

through this whole prose thing of Alpha Trion

just going on and on about each friggin' battle

and each friggin' city. Yeah. I had the same

issue with The Lord of the Rings where you get

to a certain part in the second book or something

where all they do is go on and on and on about

history and battles and it's like, alright, can

we move the story forward a little bit, but they

just won't. I first read... Fellowship of the

ring when I was 14, I got to page like Like page

22 or something or they're like the first three

chapters Soon as they said 11 D first birthday.

I was done because I could not understand what

the hell that meant It's 111 birthday and I'm

like 11 D first I'm like what the hell kind of

a number is that of course? I was 14 at the time,

but Tolkien had his own language period. Yeah,

you know and like he composed Poems and you know

just Complete speeches and his own languages.

Yeah, and I I don't want to get down that rat

hole right now No, we're not going to I was actually

about to lean toward, you know, let me tell you

about the video game Oh my god, you know when

I can get the damn thing running Because it crashes

a lot as soon as I've crashed on every chapter

so far well you have the pc version don't you

yeah and the pc version is the worst version

isn't it you know i the thing with like the pc

version and here i am doing exactly what i said

i wasn't going to do which was complaining about

the video game but uh when you have a ps3 or

an xbox there's one mode You know, it looks good

because it's a PS3 or it looks good because it's

an Xbox. But when you get into the computer,

especially with like first -person shooters,

usually you have certain levels of anti -alias

you can choose, you know, two times, four times.

You know, you can go as high as like eight or

16 depending on what video card you have. You

can choose to set the, you know, the textures

on high, medium, low texture. And it depends

on what your computer can handle, right? And

you can change these and add effects like let's

say reflection or shadows or how the sky moves

and that type of thing. There's all those different

things that you can turn on and off in order

to tailor the graphic experience to your play

style, right? So I mean if your computer's powerful

enough to handle reflections in the water and

full -on Gaussian blur shadowing and high -resolution

backgrounds and textures and bump mapping and

eight times the anti -aliasing, then great, you're

going to have a fantastic visual experience.

It's going to be a treat. If it can't, well then

you dumb everything down and it looks really

crappy, but your computer can't handle it, so

you never know. My experience if your computer

can handle it it often ends up looking better

than what you'd get on the Xbox or the ps3 Now

the problem with this game is it doesn't have

any of those You can choose your resolution high

resolution or low resolution you like you can

anywhere from I don't know 800 by 600 all the

way up to like 1920 by 1200. This is where I

have mindset And then there's The textures high

medium or low texture and that's pretty much

it That's about all you have to to adjust here.

So I put one on high texture. I've got a pretty

high Resolution and I got a big monitor yeah,

and the the game runs pretty well Occasionally

it'll slow down like when there's a lot going

on on the screen at the same time Like during

a boss battle or something, I'll get a little

slow down. But then it picks right back up and

I'm okay. But again, it crashes at every chapter.

There's cinematics that run. And I don't know

if it's because I'm just running out of memory

or what, but I should be okay. I'm not sure what

the problem is. I gotta reload it and then go

back and watch it again and hope it doesn't crash.

So I don't know. I'm enjoying it. There's a lot

of interesting nods, you know, a lot of homages

and such. It lets you play as different characters.

So like if you're in a three man team with Megatron,

Breakdown and Soundwave, you know, you can play

Soundwave or you can play as Megatron or you

can play as Breakdown. And, you know, there's

a lot of really neat dialogue. Breakdown is hilarious.

Like you take down this massive Autobot and Breakdown's

like, see that? That was me. Or he'll be walking

along with Megatron and Megatron says, I've targeted

this entire area for a dark energon bombing run.

And Breakdown's like, what are you freaking crazy?

And he goes, oh, sorry. I mean, yeah, that's

a great plan. And Soundwave for the most part

is. You know, kind of, he's just there. And he'll

say things occasionally, like status reports.

Does he, um... We all saw the GameStop trailer.

Or whatever it was. The promotional trailer with

the touch. Right. Does he really transform it

all into some sort of futuristic set deck? No.

Damn! No. Not that I've seen so far. He transforms

into a truck. And compared to Megatron, he's

pretty fast. Megatron transforms into kind of

like a hover tank, and he's slow. But, you know,

Breakdown transforms into a car, and he's fast.

He's just whoosh, you know. And Soundwave transforms

into like a truck tank type of thing, and he's,

you know, in between. He's pretty quick if he

needs to be. And there's whole sections of the

game where it's like, all right, go this way

as fast as you can. You know, it's like, okay,

cool. Don't get hit by the trains as they speed

along. So you're kind of racing and then you're

coming up to a ramp and you shoot over the ramp

and you sky over a train. It's really neat, especially

when you attack Iacon, the Autobot capital, because

you can tell that at one point it was really

beautiful and there's energon fountains and it's

like palatial and then you're there basically

just to trash it. It's fun. I'm enjoying myself,

but again as far as a PC based first -person

shooter very limited Yeah, yeah, not as pleased

as I could have been how does the PC handle the

Because one of their big all the big marketing

things for war for several times all you know

you're gonna see stuff going on in the background

and severed on isn't just gonna be it it's not

just going to be like a moral combat background

where it's it's just the background and that's

it uh... there's gonna be stuff move around and

people going places in the how is that on the

pc uh... it's really nice especially outside

as you can be in the that this huge sections

of the part that i played so far at least where

uh... You know you could be on an orbital station,

and there's huge chunks of debris that you literally

have to use as you know platforms to get from

one place to another and You know not only is

this all this debris floating in space But there's

a space battle going on around you and there's

secret jets flying and shooting at each other

I want to compare this to like in Star Wars where

the newer ones not so much the old ones, but

in the newer ones where you know, you've got

someone in their ship and they're flying and

they're shooting at people, but there's all this

stuff going on around them. They're in the middle

of a battle and it's not just them and their

opponent, it's everything going around. And that's

kind of what you get in War for Cybertron where,

yes, I'm standing on a platform and I'm trying

to shoot this aerial butt out of the sky, but

in the background I can see Cybertron floating.

And between us are all these other ships that

are shooting at each other. They're not close

enough where they can shoot you, or you can interact

with them, but they're there. It's kind of neat.

Even when you go underground, there's machinery

that's moving, there's pistons that move in and

out of the walls. You can run into them, and

you don't really get damaged. I haven't flown

into any at full speed, but there's stuff going

on. It's not just you. It's interesting. Half

the time I don't even notice these things because

I'm flying around them. I'm enjoying myself.

It's fun. There are technological shortcomings

here but the game itself is pretty strong. The

storyline, I'm buying it. I really like the characters.

There's a lot of personality here. A lot of personality.

You spend a whole chapter with... of the three

Seeker jets, you know, and Starscream's like,

you know, when I become leader, you know, and,

you know, he's Starscream, right? And, you know,

there's a point where the Autobots trap them

in this ship and the ship's going down. And he's

like, ha ha, they think they can trap me in here.

They may think I'm as dumb as Skywarp. And then

they fly out and Skywarp says, what do you mean

as dumb as Skywarp Starscream? I'll show you

dumb. And Starscream says, yes, you always do.

I mean, it's just really good dialogue and the

personalities really shine through. And you know,

I know you were upset that, oh, you can only

play as certain characters. I've gone through

this before multiple times on this show and on

ATTF. My complaint is that you can only play

as certain characters in the online modes, like

with the GameStop... Exclusive of shockwave if

you're going to have a store exclusive It should

you should be able to use it throughout the game

regardless of what the game is or what the mechanics

of the game are Tell you that if you were to

try to play the secret jet mode as a tank it

wouldn't work you'd be stuck there and You wouldn't

be able to fly your way out of a certain room

and very unhappy Yeah, so there's probably no

way you could really get away with that Okay,

and I understand that's the mechanics of War

for Cybertron, but what I'm saying is that supposedly

that they have this three -person co -op thing,

whether you're using other people or not, even

if you're just playing a single -player game,

there's two other robots with you, right? Yeah.

That you can choose from. So they have the co

-op mode so that other people can play as those

other robots. Right, exactly. But if it's just

you... playing as you know switching between

the three why not have that exclusive character

amongst those three that's that's my biggest

complaint so you can actually switch between

the three you get to pick one oh really you can't

switch between them well that sucks as far as

i know you pick one character at the beginning

of the chapter and then you play as a character

all the way through if you want to play as a

different character i think you have to play

the chapter over again god that really sucks

Well, I mean so far I've played his Megatron

once and that was fun and then I played a song

wave once and that was fun I might enjoy playing

his breakdown each one has different abilities

Yeah, so, you know like Thundercracker has a

drone that he can drop and it shoots at enemies

and Skywarp can turn invisible for brief periods

Yeah, I forget what star stream does but see

I thought it was that You pick your three And

you can, like if you're, like if you singly and

no one's gonna join you, you pick your three

robots and you go through whatever, whether it's

the Decepticon campaign or the Autobot campaign,

and you can cycle between the three of them,

kinda like a Marvel vs. Capcom thing. No, no,

no, no, no. There are three pre -chosen characters

for each chapter. Oh god, that sucks. No, it

doesn't suck, because it helps the story. It's

like... The first chapter is Megatron, and he's

attacking this orbital station. And then once

Megatron overtakes the station in Chapter 1,

he recruits Starscream, because Starscream is

the leader of the station. So he recruits him.

Chapter 2 is Starscream in his first mission,

and Starscream has to activate the Energon Bridge,

which in this case is used to power up the station.

You know, so Megatron can continue his plans.

Chapter 3, then, is Megatron then attacking Iacon.

But he's doing it with, uh... So you do cycle

through the characters, just not on the same

mission. Not in the same chapter. What I'm saying

is you can't choose. You've got... The first

chapter is Megatron, Brawl, and, uh... Brawl

and... I think like another combat among town

or something. So you've got three characters.

You can choose from one of them. And the thing

is, is that as they wander through the levels,

each one has dialogue. And so which means that

you have to be one of those three characters

so that their dialogue will come out. Well, while

you're playing a chapter three, you yeah, chapter

three, you've got. you can choose between Megatron,

Soundwave, or Breakdown. And you can only choose

between those three. And when you're playing,

you've got Megatron issuing orders to Breakdown,

and Breakdown complaining, and then Soundwave

spouting out status reports. So I mean, you have

to be one of those three, or else the storyline

of the game will be broken. So far, I'm not too

thrilled with this game, but... Well, again,

the first player game, it's not a bad first player

game. Actually, I got it on medium level, medium

difficulty, and it's not that hard. Mostly, I'm

dying because I'm not being very smart and waiting

into battles and trying to do melee damage, and

I should be sticking back and doing sniper damage,

that type of thing. uh... before we move into

the actual toy discussion we've kind of gone

on about the game in the book and i thought we

need to have a book podcast and uh... video game

podcast so we call it a podcast was going to

be taking off but that's still on a that's that's

doesn't happen yet but anyway i mean specifically

about exodus specifically about war for cybertron

okay well you know you know we have we have an

episode of that on that on all things transformers

what was once you finish the book and once i

finish the game as opposed yeah go a little more

deftly you know it sounds like i've already answered

a bunch of questions that you may have had already

yeah i don't know i i i would have to get my

hands on it to even see and we got a new computer

now so i know but it's a little uh... anyways

uh... before we get into the bot con 2010 exclusive

talk. I wanted to bring up as a little outro

to this. I wrote a blog post a while ago about

the future of Toycast and it's not so much that

the show is going to end at all. I want to find

a way to streamline it more. So I was thinking

of doing what we've done here now for the past

33 minutes of intro, general chat, catch up,

and all that stuff. I was also thinking of doing

a small toy -only news segment. And then the

display case segment would be the normal toy

talk stuff that we've always done. I was also

thinking about bringing a discussion topic segment.

It could happen, it probably won't, seeing as

how the toy discussion usually goes on at length

and nauseam. And then obviously the outro. I

don't know if discussion topic will happen. And

mainly what the discussion topic thing I had

was like, you know, we could talk about certain

toy packaging or the history of toy packaging

or what really attracts us about a certain package

of a toy or something if we see it out of the

corner of our eye in a toy store. I don't know

if the discussion topic segment is going to happen.

It's just something I wrote down as a maybe.

That sounds like a long ass podcast. Again, I

don't know. Even if you took out the discussion

topic and you had just the news and the general

toy talk, it would still be fairly, not too lengthy,

but it would still be at a good amount because

normally we end up talking about You know TF

news or or whatever else anyways after we're

done with the toy talk for the most part Yeah

on on some episodes, so I'm just trying to streamline

it a little bit more You know constantly evolving

the show You know we are in the 60 mark of the

episodes So yeah, well it might be time to you

know straighten things out freshen things up

a bit Oh yes, but there will still be the same

raunchy stuff going on. That's the wrong podcast.

Yeah, true. I don't think we get that bad in

here. Yeah, there's no Barney and Megatron in

this show though, thank god. Exactly. Alright,

so we are going to move on to the BotCon 2010

toys. We will be right back. And the head sculpt

is absolutely perfect. And, as you can see, it

has 360 -degree articulation. Starscream, have

you completed your work on the new Anti -Matican?

Oh, uh, Mighty Megatron! I seem to have forgotten,

but - Grrrr! My exclusives! You fail me yet again,

Starscream. Break down, Counterpunch! Come here.

Yes, my name is Megatron. We're running out of

ultimate weapon ideas. There must be somewhere

we can find one. Didn't you and some of the other

Decepticons go to BotCon last year? Did I hear

BotCon? Ah yes, BotCon. The convention dedicated

to everything Transformers. Yes. I'm looking

forward to the seminars, panels, field festival,

dealers selling all kinds of Transformers toys,

celebrity guests, the debut of the Transformers

Hall of Fame, and Hasbro will be on hand to showcase

new Transformers toys for 2010. Exclusive! Of

course! If there was anywhere on this Earth where

I can find what I need to defeat the Autobots,

it would be at BotCon! Decepticons, follow me

to BotCon! Punch, what did you find out? Prime,

the Decepticons are headed to BotCon! Teletran

1, tell me more about this year's BotCon! Connecting!

2010 is being held June 24th to June 27th in

Orlando, Florida Attendees can either register

or come as a walk -in on Saturday and Sunday

Special honor is to be presented to Optimus Prime

Well, then it looks like we have a convention

to get to Autobots. We're going to BotCon From

June 21st to June 28th Michael was at Disney

World and BotCon and we are here to talk about

Not in depth just kind of like glossing over

every single BotCon toy from BotCon 2010 So we're

gonna start with the box set and you can start

with whatever one you want to start with first

I'll start with the big one Which is a clench,

uh -huh The nice thing about the BotCon sets

to start off with is that they always come in

this big cardboard box with the Styrofoam insert.

And it's just, you know, very nicely done. The

box always has really nice art on it. It's a

pretty sturdy box. And I much prefer the Styrofoam

insert to, let's say, like plastic with twisty

ties to hold everything in place. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

I mean, this is really nice. It's just quality

stuff. And I know they do the same thing with

their G .I. Joe exclusives for their annual G

.I. Joe event. Yeah, JoeCon. Yeah, yeah. Just

really class act. They do a good job with that

stuff. But Clench comes from the... Onslaught?

onslaught mold, I kept wanting to say hardhead,

but hardhead was the Autobot repaint. But it

comes from the onslaught mold, and I really liked

that mold, but the big difference is that it

had electronics. So you could press the button

on the top and it would make sounds and light

and that type of thing. And this one doesn't,

so that's unfortunate, not a huge deal. It would

have been nice if it could just keep that. I'm

not sure if they could include the electronics

and still hold on to the price point though.

Yeah, probably not. I don't actually have the

original G2 clench. I think it was a UK exclusive.

Want to know what I think what the hell was his

name pyro? Yeah, who was spark it was a renamed

him spark But originally pyro was a UK exclusive

so we never actually saw them here But you know

they tried to go with something similar to that

funky sparkly plastic that they used on the original

clench and They use like a blue plastic with

little chunks of silver something or another

in it. It's different. I've never seen this before

And to me, it almost makes it look like the plastic

doesn't have full integrity. Like, oh, it's a

bad batch. And it'll probably break if you handle

it too much. I'm sure it's not. It just looks

funky. But in keeping with the G2 motif, there's

plenty of neon on him. Uh, neon pink on him and

neon green and just a smattering of yellow. But,

uh, you know, he looks good. I'm happy with him.

And I gave him a new head. So when he stands

next to, you know, my hard head and my onslaught,

he'll look different. Cool. Yeah, I dig it. It's

alright. I mean, if you're not a fan of this

particular mold, then you're not gonna be happy

with it. The robot mode looks okay to me. I'm

not a fan of of a PC transformers Yeah Because

it just doesn't I don't know. I just don't don't

really care for that, but I mean the robot mode

looks awesome though Yeah, I did mention spark

which is what they what they're calling the firetruck

mm -hmm In the UK and G2 they had They had an

exclusive toy named Pyro and he was really just

the ass ugliest firetruck you'd ever seen in

your life. And they did a pretty good job of

replicating that ass ugly paint job. But you

know, some people are going to look at this particular

toy and say, oh my god, that looks like ass.

But that's kind of the point. You know, I mean,

the paint jobs they used in the 90s were just

painfully gaudy. And the UK ones were just the

worst offenders of the bunch, right? Yeah. And

we should mention that he is based off of the

universe inferno mold. Right, right. And I've

got the universe inferno mold, and I really like

it. But honestly, you can't set these two side

by side. and see much of a resemblance. I wouldn't

think so. It's that funky. It is. I mean, this

guy's got purple and lavender and dark blue and

yellow. He's got black and yellow bumblebee stripes.

Hot pink for the rest of him. Yeah, it is. It

is hot pink. I was going to say something like

a really light red, but no, this is really like

pink. Yeah, it doesn't get much better in in

robot mode because they they offset the hot pink

with Like uh, it's not baby blue it's darker

than baby blue, but it's blue Yeah, your robot

mode is basically blue hot pink with these these

yellow accents The funny thing is looking at

this picture on BotCon .com. It looks like It's

looking like he's got caution tape on his arms

and legs. It's like don't come near this toy

That's essentially yeah, yeah Yeah, it's funky

so he's got a lot of color on him And it's not

necessarily a good thing No I mean yeah Yeah

Anyway, so like I said, you can't set this guy

next to Inferno and expect them to really catch

the same vibe off either one of them. But is

it a good mold? Yeah, I like this mold. I think

he's a little empty in the chest region. It's

kind of like with G1 Optimus Prime. Behind the

chest you've got air. Yeah, that's what sucks.

You know, he's got a lot of space under there.

And there's not much you can do about it, right?

Right. Yeah, what are you going to do? So, yeah,

again, I don't mind. I like the mold. He's a

nice, you know, bulky character. But leave it

at that. We've got Street Star. Oh boy, yeah.

The hooker of the set. The hooker? Oh, Nitro

Streaks said when they revealed the name change,

she said that Streetstar sounds like a name for

a hooker. Oh, Streetwalker? No, Streetstar, yeah.

Yeah. Well, he's supposed to be, uh, uh, from

the, uh, Defense War team. Help me out here.

What's his name? Street Street wise screw eyes.

Yeah. Yeah street wise and yeah, I don't brain

freeze there for a second, but yeah the The g2

Protector bots took me a second. I want to say

defensive bots, but the g2 protector bots were

never released but test test copies, I guess

you could call them, came out. So there's like

three or four of these guys in existence. And

the streetwise was black. So basically you've

got a Classics Prowl repaint in black and red.

So nothing like profound here. It's not like

some of these other repaints that are just really,

really gaudy. He's you know, he's black. He kind

of reminds me of barricade from the movie. Yeah

If I was to get any of them out of this set just

for the alt mode It would probably be him just

because it's a black car You don't like the gaudy

colors No, not at all. Well again, that's that's

part of the charm here is that they're they're

going back to these g2 toys that were just like

Some of them were just hideous Yeah, I like it.

It's it's all right again. He's he's not quite

as over -the -top But yeah, he's okay. I like

this mold. I think it's I've been reused an awful

lot Is it just mirrors his I know you're not

looking at this cuz you're a look at the actual

toy on his right leg Is it different than his

left leg cuz on the picture on buck on calm it

shows his right leg is a little bit posed maybe

the It's bent at the knee joint, but it's not

showing the actual same design that's on the

left leg. It's something slightly different.

It's like two spots of blue and a piece of red,

whereas the other one, his other leg is solid

blue on the bottom near the foot, and the foot

is red. I'm not quite sure what you're talking

about. Maybe it's just that they don't have one

knee pulled back far enough or something. Yeah,

maybe that could be it. But no, I think he looks

I mean he the way his hips are he's got you know

kind of like Lights on his hips where ones red

ones blue. Yeah, but I'm talking about on his

actual foot Okay Yeah, the only thing that I

think is really g2 about this guy is the fact

that he's got you know The big G2 Autobot symbol

it says Autobot across his front windshield.

Yeah And they did that a lot in G2 like most

of them would have like their names on the toy

Yeah, so if you had like, you know a Jazz G2

jazz it would say jazz, you know or have the

insignia and Autobot across it and say jazz Well

now they have to call him Autobot jazz because

they lost the rights to just jazz That's true.

Yeah a lot of the older ones they have to call

Autobot, you know Yeah, well it's you know not

a big deal. No, no and Nextly we have Breakdown

Mr.. Peg head mr.. Peg head well technically

they all had peg heads But it's really cool that

they would go with that with that particular

head for this guy since you know That's that's

the way he looked mm -hmm, but you know the same

mold as the punch double punch What a letdown

that was. What the punch counter punch? Yeah.

Why is it a letdown? I don't know, just the...

It's a car that turns into two separate robots.

I mean, that's kind of cool. I was kind of sorry

that I didn't pre -order one because they went

really, really quick. But yeah, so this is the

same old as a side -swiping Sunstreaker from

the classics line, except he's really, really...

teal and pink. He is the definition of hot pink.

Oh man, and this is what I was talking about

when I said a lot of these G2 cars were just

gaudy, just really bad. And he's one of the S

-tonicons that wasn't produced. And again, they

made these in really weird colors. If you take

a look at some of the combiners that were produced

for G2, like a Devastator, they had one in yellow

and one in orange. If you take a look, well,

you know, Superion wasn't all that awful. They

gave him some pretty straight colors, just blues

and reds and blacks, but the Combaticons all

had... Well, yeah, some of them had some pretty

questionable coloring, yeah But yeah, they they

really went wonky with Defensor and and Bruticus,

but you know, they were never produced Yeah,

which is a shame because this guy is awesome

Yeah, I like the fact that they got the different

head and yeah, I like the fact that if you stand

him up next to Let's say like Sunstreaker. He

won't be the same. Again, it's hard to tell that

they're the same toy. Yeah. I'm trying to think.

It's not Sunstreaker that uses the same mold.

Yeah, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe. Well, Sideswipe

has the car hood as his chest. Whereas Sunstreaker

uses the windshield as his chest. So it's just

a different way of transforming him. Yeah, but

yeah They they don't show I suppose I could transform

in that way, but I haven't seen any pictures

of breakdown transformed as Sunstreaker so technically

he's supposed to look like side swipe, but You

know again you you've got his name emblazoned

on the side Which is one of those things that

they did with G2 Yeah, it's just kind of funky.

But yeah, I like him and I don't know if I love

this or hate this but he's got like Mr. Fusion

on the back there You know like Doc is gonna

get out and say where we're going. We don't need

roads Yeah So that's you know question with the

original Sunstreaker had kind of those twin air

foils on top of the hood or on top of the top

of the car the bonnets, if you will. Yeah, that

entire mold, that mold throughout Sunstreaker,

Side Swipe, and Punch Counterpunch, they all

have that thing. Yeah, yeah. But I never really

noticed it as being Mr. Thirsty, or Mr. Fusion.

Mr. Fusion, yeah. Mr. Fusion until now, because

they've actually painted it. They have like silver

paint apps on it that makes it stand out better.

You know, you can probably... If you remolded

this car mold a little bit, painted it gray,

gave it a little bit more blue, and maybe made

the wheels turn up, there you go, transforming

DeLorean. Well, DeLorean is pretty symbolic.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think it'd be cool if

they could get the rights from GMC to make a

DeLorean. I would be so behind that. That would

kick ass. That's it. Yeah, that would be neat

and lastly from the box that is skybite and when

I first heard they were gonna do a skybite I

was almost disappointed because skybite is not

a g2 character. Mm -hmm You know, I love skybite,

I think he's awesome I he was my favorite character

from robots in disguise because I just thought

he was that cool and They really well, I want

to say in the comic for the BotCon comic, they

really brought out his personality from, you

know, the Robots in the Sky series where, you

know, he's big and he's in charge, but he is

quoting haikus the whole time. I thought that

was funny. But no, they did the energon sharkticon

mold for this one. And I like that mold. I think

it was meant to be an homage to the Nemesis.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but but at the same time kind

of look like a shark. Yep It's neat the whole

thing with the From energon the Autobots deluxe

size is kind of combined As upper halves and

lower halves of a body like you all form the

legs, you know that type of thing Whereas the

Decepticons didn't combine but they had pop -out

You know kind of hidden weapons This guy is kind

of got You know this whole back fins flip up

and become like cannons Yeah, and that's yeah,

okay. I'll buy that But I think they look a lot

better as you know kind of nemesis style battleships

It's actually got turrets on him that spin around

and you know she's got a lot of he's got a lot

of play value on him When I read Thorazine's

review of this guy, he said that basically because

Skybite and the Sharkticons that are of the same

mold as this guy, basically they're so expensive

that you're not going to be able to get them

easily. What he thought would be nice as a troop

building idea is to get the Energon Sharkticon.

toys. Get a bunch of those together and call

those your troops and then your shark decons

would then be the Generals under SkyBite. That's

awesome. It's a neat idea yeah I mean and plus

if you look hard enough you can probably still

find those the shark decons or energon shark

decons for sale at like big lots or Dollar General.

Yeah. I've got one in the closet they have the

the universe packaging so that's kind of neat.

But I like this guy they gave him a new head

gave him actually looks like robots in disguise

sky bite and The paint is just dead on He looks

really good. Yeah, the paint on this one is Again

for the majority. I think this and straight star

or straight wise whatever you want to call him.

Yeah They're the two They're the two less gaudy

of the five because they're basically from different

molds. Hold on here. I'm stretching. I'm as far

away from the computer as I can possibly get

without injuring the headset. And what I'm going

to do, if I can, is reach way up high. While

he's reaching, I'm going to talk over him so

he doesn't complain, oh, you've got to edit that

out. No, it's okay. I got it actually I reached

up and pulled down sky by From my robots in disguise

shelf. Oh, okay, so that I could hold them up

side by side and You kind of compare and contrast

them for a second, but the I really liked again

I really liked the robots in the sky sky by mold

in that they used a lot of You know the shiny

metal plastic on him kind of like how they're

doing now with the animated line in Japan yeah

you know so he's got you know lots of shiny metal

but you know when you look at the the BotCon

sky by you see how his his chest is like blue

on one side and and silver on the other and he's

got a lot of you know pink and chrome on there

mm -hmm the robots in the skies sky by it looks

just like that Yeah, they went almost color for

color when they decorated this guy. He looks

really good. In fact, now that I'm looking at

this guy, the original, I'm very surprised that

they were able to get away with the paint apps

that they did on him because this is a really

nicely painted figure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he

looks, especially in like shark mode, he looks

really, really good because they... didn't just

leave him a default blue or gray shark. I mean,

he's got a lot of metallic bits coming through

the shark's skin, and they individually painted

all this. So it looks really nice. And he's got

a red eye, which is in shark mode. Just looking

at the robot mode of the BotCon one. If the Matrix

didn't have handles and finger holes, you could

put the center of the Matrix in his chest. In

the robot mode? Yeah, the silver... Oh yeah,

he's kind of got that circular thing. Yeah. That's

interesting. The older one actually had a Predacon

symbol in the center of his chest. Oh, cool.

So this guy, I mean, he's not gonna have that

there. But yeah, I mean, the way he looks...

Especially the robot in disguise one. It's almost

like He's got the shark face on his chest so

like you see the eyes and There's like teeth

under under his abs you know above his abs I

should say and that kind of comes through a little

bit and the bodcon version But yeah, they painted

this one really well. He looks really nice I'm

just going to put this guy right here on my desk,

because I dig him so much. He's going to hang

out here as opposed to going back up on the shelf.

Yeah, I like that. I should have pulled him down

from the shelf earlier in order to compare him,

but I didn't because I was foolish. OK, so moving

right along. The big item from the... You know,

I was going to jump into the... um bot con store

the fun publication store stuff but i think first

we should talk about um uh slicer good he was

he was the giveaway figure oh cool yeah so basically

when you stand in line to get your box set and

register they they hand you the box set they

hand you your folder with the you know the certificate

of authenticity and the comic book right and

then they give you slicer and say here you go

thanks for coming and slicer is uh really neat

in that he you know he can either be a shattered

glass wheel jack or he can be an action master

slicer and the uh i'm not sure how much you know

about action masters i i don't actually have

any Action masters I am kind of like the pretenders.

I don't actually collect the action masters or

the pretenders. Mm -hmm, but Apparently what

they did is They repainted the action master

wheel jack and they painted them blue made him

a decepticon named slicer So technically he's

not g2 But yeah, yeah, but isn't the whole point

of the additional whether it's the free figure

or the... well, I don't know. You know, I don't

know as far as, like, past BotGons. Like, the

only one I really know is obviously 2008, which

was Shattered Glass, but I thought the point

was for the extra exclusives that they sell as

figures that would go along with the set but

aren't really in the continuity of that year's

set. I don't know. Well, what happens is, no,

they're all supposed to be in the same continuity.

And we'll get to that in a moment. But the, yeah,

the problem with Slicer is that he's got the,

he still has the Autobot insignia on him. Oh,

lovely. Yeah, and what they did to make it really

confusing is they painted it purple. So essentially

what you have is a shattered glass wheel jack.

But they named him Slicer. And painted him as

the action master. But I mean there's also pictures

of shattered glass wheel jack out there who is

also blue. So it's like, aw man. I'm sure that

was meant to be an homage to Slicer, but still.

So I mean it could be either or. But the fact

that he's got you know, a purple Autobot insignia

kind of molded into the plastic doesn't help.

Yeah, apparently not. But no, it's a nice mold.

In fact, I think they reused this mold as Big

Daddy. Oh, no, not this one, the other one. They

remolded this Big Daddy. This one looks more

like G1 Wheeljack, whereas I want to say in Cybertron,

they... basically took the head from this one

and put it on a Green Muscle car oh Yeah, and

that was that was he was still named downshift,

but then for the movie line They repainted that

one black and gave him red flames and called

him Big Daddy the black car with the red flames

named Big Daddy being a Micromaster back from

I think 1987 He was part of the Hot Rod group.

He was, I want to say, the leader of the Hot

Rod MicroMaster team. Hard to find nowadays.

I guess he was popular. I bet. Anyway, I'm going

off on tangents here that I probably shouldn't

be going off on in the interest of time. So once

you got your box set, once you got your slicer,

you then get into another line that's pretty

long, about an hour long. That line is to the

BotCon store where you can buy BotCon exclusive

toys that you don't register for ahead of time.

They don't even tell you what they are. They

started putting up pictures of the box set toys

months ahead of time to kind of whet everybody's

appetite and make everybody go, wow, that's the

coolest thing ever. I have to own one. But they

don't actually say what the other toys are. Some

of them slip. like through the Chinese auction

site Taibo. So you may, you know, like Rapido,

I think it was a picture of him that got out.

And just before the, oh no, I'm pretty sure pictures

of SkyBite and the Sharktocons got out. And just

beforehand, I want to say pictures of Scorch

came out, but by then it was practically the

week of BotCon. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, they

keep it a big secret You don't really know who's

what what you're gonna get until you get there

and then you know each one is You know like 80

bucks for the set Yeah, oh, they're expensive

yeah But you know you're there basically to buy

these so why not? the big one is Double punch

and and then in a separate bag is scorch with

ravage and Double punch is a repaint of Scorponok

and I want to say it's Energon Scorponok. He

was from Energon wasn't he? I think he yeah,

I believe he was Energon and then what they did

is for Cybertron they repainted him in black

xeric colors and and getting replaced his gimmicks

with Cyber power keys. No, I'm not I have no

clue. So Well, I've got them in the shelf. I

haven't pulled them out yet, but you know basically

I had a cyber power key and you plugged it in

there and he and you've been Unloaded his gimmicks,

but what they did is they repainted them. He's

black for the most part, but he's also teal and

pink and orange Oh, yeah, sounds like somebody

threw up on that thing No, they went all out

on him. I like it. I like the way he looks. I

was looking on Thorazine's site to see if they

had pictures of him, but he hasn't put pictures

up of this guy yet. But no, he's nice, and I

like the Scorponok mold. I like that figure.

He's big. He's just bulky. He's like all shoulders

and arms. You know? He looks like a big powerful

guy. Uh, the other one was Scorch and Ravage,

which was a repaint of, uh, Classic's Hound.

And, you know, Classic's Hound already had that

Ravage on his back. Yeah. Uh, but I guess they

weren't sure what to do with Ravage, so they

just repainted them as, uh, Shattered Glass Ravage.

Well... Well, it's a little confusing, because

again, you're trying to stick to this G2 motif.

And this Scorch is a repaint of Turbomaster Scorch.

The Turbomasters were, again, UK exclusives.

Well, his name was Scorch. But Turbomaster was

his designation. I mean, it was like, it's kind

of like cassettes. Yeah. I mean, there were a

few Turbomasters. Yeah. He was a Turbomaster,

but his name was Scorch. But for here, they couldn't

name him Scorch. So they just named him Tur -

kind of like they couldn't name Pyro Pyro. Yeah.

So they named him Spark. Or here they named him

Turbomaster. Yeah. I guess it's good that - that

they get the whole repaint of universe 2 .0 hound

out with repainted as shattered glass ravage

because now all the damn fans can you know I'm

a ravage fanboy as much as the next guy but they're

taking this whole shattered glass as much as

I love shattered glass this coming from you if

they repainted everything as a shattered glass

it has to be certain figures but it's like Everybody

on the internet that is a Transformers fan is

like, oh yes, Shattered Glass Ravage, we must

have it, we must have it. Well, now you fucking

have it, now shut the fuck up. I think, I don't

want to disparage upon David Willis. But I think

David Willis wanted a Shattered Glass Ravage

so bad that he could taste it. So then you've

got every David Willis fanboy out there saying,

you know what would be great? A Shattered Glass

Ravage. I think the problem I have with the Shattered

Glass Ravage fandom stuff is because they wanted

him to be the fan -in figure. A lot of people

were voting him for the Hall of Fame and I'm

like, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Right, because he helped mold the franchise early

on. Exactly. He was so important to the franchise.

Most people don't even know it existed. If you

don't go out to the Bot -Cons, you probably don't

know what Shattered Glass is. I mean, or if you're

not, you know, if you don't collect those. Most

people don't. There's probably about 2 ,000 people

total who, you know, the people who went to BotCon

that year and got them. They really care about

this. You know, and I mean, we're kind of getting

off on this a little bit, but, you know, I'll

say this. I love the Shattered Glass comic. Out

of the Shattered Glass toys, I only have three

left, and they are my most favorites, which is

Optimus, Rodimus, and Gold Bug. The rest of them,

I don't care for. What? Yeah, I I just don't

and I think it would do good to find some sort

of episodic version of cartoonage of Shatterglass

comic But it'll never happen. But anyway, you

know getting on with the rest of this who's next.

Oh Slightly smaller bag we have Rapido and cindersaur

Now, Rapido is another Classics mold. I'm drawing

a blank here, but I'm gonna say like Silver Streak.

I can't remember which Classics character this

is. But yeah, Rapido was a G2 guy. And he was...

He was a red car. Let me see if I got him in

my... There he is. Yeah, I got him. BotCon Rapido

is, his bio is in Spanish. They release an English

version. Oh, did they? Yeah, yeah. But the cool

thing is if you hold up G2 Rapido up next to

this guy, they're very similar. I mean, Rapido

is, you know, red, and he's got the 19 on the

side, he's got the white headlights, you know,

he's got the... He doesn't so much have a spoiler,

but the back of the car is painted with a black

line across it. And it's mimicked in the spoiler

on the back here. And he's got the Autobot insignia

that says Autobot across the windshield. So very

similar. And the other thing about this particular

G2 subline. I forgot what the hell they were

called. I want to say like motor evaders or the

sublime, but basically those four of them and

Each one when they transformed they had like

a motor a Big, you know silver motor that coming

out of the hood, right? That became their guns

So the their motor came out and what they they

end up with a gun in their hand They had a giant

motor on it You know, so... God, I want to say

motorvators. I probably should have done a little

more research on this before the podcast, but

yeah. So there was four of those, and... God,

for so... Yeah. Yeah. Basically, Rapido's engine

was behind the hood, you know? So it's kind of

like he's one of those cars with the engine in

the back. Mm -hmm. And what they did to mimic

that is the back of the car, the top on the BotCon

version is silver. So it's not like an engine

as opposed to having a rear windshield, right?

He doesn't have an engine there, but it is painted

silver, so it looks like it could be an engine

from a bird's eye view, I suppose. So he basically

has hot rod syndrome, almost. Is it the engine?

No, not really. Oh, okay. I can't get behind

that, no. Alright. Well, no, because I'm thinking

where Hot Rod would be, you know, the other motor

-vaders, for lack of a better term, or lack of

a term that I remember, they had Hot Rod syndrome,

where they all had like a big engine on the front.

But that popped off and became their gun. Alright,

the actual gun portion was under the hood. Whereas

Rapido had it behind in front of the spoiler.

Oh, okay. Yeah, so that's why, you know, in front

of the spoiler there on the BotCon version, it's

painted silver. Yeah. So, and I think I've said

pretty much all I needed to say about this guy,

but yeah. Okay, Forrest Gump. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, but no, I... I think he's okay. Again,

he's got teal on him, and it's just, you know,

silver and red, and, you know, yeah, there's

that. The other guy, Cinder Sore, which I was

really surprised at for, or surprised about,

I'll tell you why. In the Cybertron line, they

released a, basically a, a Beast Wars Megatron

and a Beast Wars Optimus. And the Megatron was

basically a big biomechanical dinosaur and the

Optimus was a big biomechanical ape. And they

painted them roughly in Megatron and Optimus

colors. Or I should say Cybertron Optimus and

Cybertron Megatron colors. Now, they ended up

repainting that mold for the Beast Wars 10th

anniversary line. Right. Which, you know, I thought

was iffy, you know, but they needed something

to package in the DVD and the little miniature

version of the Axilon. Yeah. Yeah. So they did

that. Anyway, BotCon repainted that Megatron

mold. except he's blue and like lime green and

orange and purple. Just purple highlights. Mostly

he's blue, but he's got a lot of transparent

blue on him. He's not completely transparent,

but like his tail and his chest and his little

stubby little, you know, Tyrannosaurus arms are

transparent. No, that's a good or a bad thing.

Well, he looks good. I mean well, I should say

he looks good for a g2 toy, right? Yeah, he looks

good for a g2 toy, but yeah, he looks like a

g2 toy. He's just gaudy as all hell but The problem

is Is that I didn't know where he came from I

had no idea it turns out that in the UK They

did transparent plastic repaints of the fire

cons Which was a like flame feather spark stalker

and cindersaur oh in G1 these were a little tiny

little stubby figures and just Didn't look much

like a transformer at all right so basically

a dinosaur version of G1 bumblebee No, yes and

no well These made really I mean if you get a

chance to look at them up on the wiki The fire

cons the fire cons and to a certain extent even

the spark abouts at least the spark abouts look

like robots in robot mode these guys You know

look like them They let's say they put a lot

of effort in in making the the The fire con mode

right they look like little monsters Short squat

little monsters, but they didn't put a whole

lot of thought into what the robot mode was gonna

look like so I mean literally I think you you

like move the head back and and switch the arms

up and move the arm legs around and It became

a brick, you know a brick with a face and that's

pretty much it But the whole gimmick was that

you you kind of scoot him along a little bit

and sparks would shoot out so I mean Hence the

Fire Con and Sparkabots. Yeah, I'm looking at

them now and wow. They're just ugly little things.

They don't look much like Transformers at all.

But the deal was, and which I thought was really,

really cool, is that in the UK for G2, they repainted

them. Well, they're not even repainted. They're

literally remolded in clear plastic. I've never

seen these before. I had no idea these existed.

I didn't know until David Willis linked him on

his blog. He knew about him, apparently. They're

on the TF Wiki. But I didn't know. So anyway,

this is supposed to be a mutant version of G2

Cyndersaur. Yeah, it looks more like, because

I'm looking at the BotCon version on the Wiki,

it looks more like G1, or not G1. Beast Wars

Mechatron than anything else. Well, when I first

saw them, I thought they were shooting for G2

Grimlock. Because for G2, they repainted Grimlock

blue. And they also repainted him in like a light

blue, a turquoise, right? So yeah, he has a dark

blue version, and then he has a rarer, harder

to find turquoise version. And I've seen the

turquoise version, but they wanted like a hundred

bucks for him, so I didn't bother to buy him.

So when I saw this guy, it's like, yeah, he's

got dark blue that's transparent, right? And

then he's got a lighter blue for his legs and

his head. And I thought, well, you know, this

doesn't make a very good Grimlock. You know,

true, he's a Tyrannosaurus, but still not a very

good Grimlock. I mean, especially when you take

into consideration the orange and the lime green

and the purple on it. It just doesn't look very

good. Yeah, so I wasn't sure what to make of

this guy up until I found out that G2 Cyndersaur

was transparent. And that's the story behind

this guy. And I still got one more to go. Technically

three more to go. They did a... Repaint of skybite

or technically another repaint of the energon

Sharkticon mold and this one I Still have get

these guys in the plastic to be honest this one,

you know, he's uh Again kind of teal and pink.

Maybe they went a little overboard on the teal

and pink. I don't know who's to say I Was gonna

say and I know that Yeah, these, uh... These,

uh, ones from BotCon, uh... They're more sleek

than the G1 ones, obviously. Yeah. They kinda

remind me of Scourge, unfortunately. You think

so? A little, well, the alt mode a little bit.

I mean, alls it needs is a head popping up. I

don't know, maybe it's because of the Decepticon

symbol and because of the purple that's in the

alt modes. Yeah, no, I'm really seeing the, well,

especially the alt mode is very nemesis -like.

But I think that the fact that they're pink and

kind of lavender, I mean, yeah, they have gray,

the hull is gray, but they use a lot of pink

and very light blue as, you know, highlight colors.

So I I like it because They still look like shark

decons The head especially looks like a shark

decon head. I I'm pretty sure that this is the

same head that was used on energons shark decon

I Was gonna say maybe I could pull out my shark

decon and kind of compare and contrast but I'm

not seeing him on my shelf. He's in there somewhere

He's buried amongst all the rest of them Well,

I don't know. Actually, I've actually got all

the locks locked on here. So I open it up. See

if I can spot him. Oh, there he is. Come to me,

chubby bastard. Yeah, while he's looking for

his chubby bastard. I already found my chubby,

but if you want to say something, you can. I

was going to bring up, I know we're on this whole

other thing, but I don't know. I don't think

you attended the custom class. I didn't, no.

And the custom class speaker for this year was

custom class side swipe. And I don't really like

it. He's black. He's not he's not just black.

He's black and silver and hot pink Again, I know

that was what they were going for for g2 and

I'm posting you the link so you can see the picture

I don't know if you've seen him. Oh, I've seen

it. Yeah, I've got g2 side swipe and You know,

he's he's a black side swipe, but when you transform

him, he's got white and kind of pink Yeah, this

gun is like neon green Yeah, that's not cool.

Oh, no, he's very g2 Very g2 But no, I really

like that. I wish I kind of wish that I had gone

to the custom class. I Mean when they first started

doing custom classes, it was like, okay, we're

gonna do a custom figure But and it didn't tie

in much with the theme, right? It was just we're

just gonna paint a custom figure but now lately

I want to say the last couple of years uh they've

been doing figures that go with the theme yeah

i don't i don't think they did that with like

the shattered glass uh because they just repainted

a grimlock but well maybe they did i don't remember

but last year i think they they did one that

went with the theme and this year they did one

that went with the theme uh and it came out really

nice i like it yeah Anyway, to digress, I've

actually got my sharkticon in hand. And yeah,

now that I'm looking at him, he does use a lot

of that lavender and gray. And then he's got

blue highlights. Now, the bodcon sharkticon uses,

you know, the gray is the body, and a lot of

that lavender. And to a certain extent, pink.

But the... You know, I would almost say that

if they were going to stay true to him, they

shouldn't have used the pink. They should have

used more of a baby blue. But maybe they didn't

because SkyBite was already a goodly chunk of

blue. I don't know. But yeah, the Sharkticon

uses a lot of green stickers. And that's kind

of reflected in the... in their robot mode, you

can see the green on their shoulders. And I think

that's about it. They didn't use a whole lot

of green on them. Not that I can see. Mostly

just the lavender and the pink and the light.

I guess you can consider that light blue. Yeah.

Yeah, kind of light blue. Yeah, so no, they looked

really good. I was really happy with the way

they turned out. I thought it was interesting

the way they they made three separate bio cards

one for you know earth air and water based Right.

They did something very similar with the the

sweeps Yeah And I want to say that was last year

where they made three identical figures in the

same bag. Yeah was cheap Like these guys for

three it was like 52 bucks Yeah, it was I think

it was sweep like two six and seven or two six

and nine or something that that was the three

pack last year Yeah, oh, they sold out then too

really quickly. Yeah. Oh, yeah Yeah, they're

relatively cheap and people wanted to as many

of them as they could get as troop builders So

no, I think it's a nice idea. I can see how they

would continue to do that. They can get away

with it You know like In 2005 they had the virulent

clones as a two -pack, right? I think if in retrospect

I bet they were wishing they could do three or

four and mark them down to 50 bucks Yeah, because

nowadays they I mean there's they still got those

on sale from the from I think it was 2005 I Just

found out that Star Trek and Transformers crossover

Where Well, you had mentioned about you weren't

sure in the past if the customization class figure

had anything to do with the actual Set pieces.

Yeah, the actual theme of each year and I wanted

to look up 2008 BotCon because obviously that's

my favorite set but the Customization class figure

was nightbeat based off of the the the what the

hell is it? It's a repaint of timelines, Nightbeat.

But it says here, under the whole toy thing for

Nightbeat, it says, an Autobot symbol pierced

at the center by Dagger, representing the Autobot

Secret Police, which is very likely an homage

to the emblem of the Terran Empire from Star

Trek's Mirror universe, the main inspiration

for Shattered Glass. Wow. I'd never... Never

ever thought that at all. Well, I mean Shattered

Glass is obviously an homage to Mirror Mirror.

Yeah. Which was the Star Trek episode that had

the reverse universe. Mm -hmm. Yeah, and this

is where you kind of phase out and quit listening.

No, no, I'm just like, yeah, uh -huh. Yeah, yeah,

uh -huh. At least I can't hear you typing this

time. That's a plus. But that's pretty much it

for the BotCon toys. I would say there was one

more item that you could only pick up, as far

as I know, at the BotCon, and that was at the

Mega Toy Fan booth they had that custom headmaster.

Think I mentioned that before you know the head

robots have that that's that kind of a Cobra

looking thing that turns in it was a snake with

a Cobra cowl and it Transforms into a head Right

yeah, well they had those at the mega toy fan

booth and and that was You know kind of neat,

but I went to that guy's parts party and bought

one there's 20 bucks but The repaint they made

exclusively for them is just red clear plastic.

There's no paint applications or anything. It's

still kind of neat. And this is the version that

comes with the extra gun turret that fits on

his back. And then the gun turret can also act

as a gun for whoever's using it. So if you've

got a headmaster with no head, then you plug

this guy into it, and then he has an extra gun

that's also see -through. All of my headmasters

have heads though, so I don't have that to worry

about. I suppose I could take one of their heads

off. Off with his head! Off with his head! I've

got, uh... Well, like, my siren and my night

beat. I suppose I could take their heads off.

There aren't really any red headmasters. I mean,

because I think a translucent red head sitting

on top of a red headmaster would kick ass. Oh,

no, you know, I can't really say that I have

Ho's head and Ho's head he's a fire truck. He's

red But he's a headmaster junior. So I'm thinking

that maybe this Crystal Cobra is what they call

it. I think maybe that head might be a little

big for him What the hell kind of a name is Ho's

head? That's his name. Oh geez So overall, do

you like the entire set, or are there things

that you wish you hadn't bought? We all know

you're a completionist, like a lot of other Transformers

fans, but I mean, is there... If there was something

that you had to part with, what would it be and

why? Well, um... I don't know. Uh, like I said,

I'm happy with the set. I... I wouldn't split

up my box set, but I think the street star paint

job is a little plain, especially if we're looking

at G2 paint. We want it to be as pink and orange

and teal as we can. Street star kind of misses

that mark. I was a little bothered with, again,

the Shattered Glass Ravage paint. I think they

could have gone with something different. Honestly,

they could have painted Ravage blue and called

him a Cobalt Century or something. They didn't

necessarily have to go back. There's precedent

here as far as... Like last year, they did a

Alita 1 and Razor Claw combo. And those were

not from, not supposed to be from, you know,

from that year they were meant to be included

in the set from the previous year. Right. They

were actually in the comic from the previous

year. They didn't appear in the comic from last

year. So it was like, hey! We really wanted to

make these for 2008, but we're going to throw

them at you in 2009 instead. So there was that.

So I mean, there's precedent there. But I mean,

like you, I think they probably could have skipped

that and made it something different. I think

that was a little gratuitous. Maybe they just

did it to make David Willis happy. I don't know.

I mean, if that's all it came down to, then great.

David Willis deserves to be happy. He's a nice

enough guy. But the rest of us are all scratching

our head going, why couldn't they have gone with

something different? I don't know. But yeah,

I don't know. I think they were shooting for

over the top gaudy paint jobs. And Pyro, or Spark,

is the epitome of that. Yeah, exactly and then

you know, you've got breakdown which is like,

oh my god, what the hell And then double punch

which is starts off kind of black but then becomes,

you know again Oh my god, what the hell? Why

is he orange and pink? That type of thing And

I dig it. I I'll stand behind that. I think that

was a great idea You know, maybe they could have

gone with different molds I can definitely see

why they threw skybite and the shark decons in

there. Looking back at the way they did the sweeps,

you know that they're sitting there scratching

their heads saying, what character can we use

that will lend themselves to multiple copies

that we can sell in a troop builder pack? And

of course, the shark decons are going to come

to mind. Oh yeah. Yeah, and, you know, it's a

layup. You've got Energon Sharkticon, who's already

got a head that looks like G1 Sharkticon. Why

not just paint him? You know, G1 Sharkticon is

already, you know, lavender and teal, you know,

or lavender and light blue with green. I mean,

he's already pretty gaudy. So he kind of goes

in that G2 category. Why not do that? And while

you're at it, what other shark comes to mind?

SkyBite really comes to mind. So sure, let's

throw SkyBite in there too. I mean, it makes

sense. No, they're not G2, but it does, it still

makes sense. And I can kind of see why they would

go with that. Again, does it really belong? Maybe,

maybe not. But no, I'm happy about it. In fact,

I was tempted to keep a Chrissy set. Well every

time we go to BotCon I buy a set of all the toys

and Christy buys a set of all the toys and then

she immediately puts her set on eBay Yeah, so

and you sometimes I want to say usually that

will pay for the trip Not this year. Well this

year was Disney. Every time we went to dinner

it was 150 bucks. Oh my god Disney's not cheap.

They may say, oh, we got really good deals on

our hotels this year. But you still have to get

into the parks. That's $80 a day. You still have

to eat. And that's, I guess, $150 for dinner.

It's just ridiculous how expensive it is to be

there. And even if we had gotten $1 ,200 or $1

,500 for our toys, which we have in the past,

if you sell them quickly enough, you can get

a lot of money. We made the mistake this year

of putting it on a five -day auction instead

of a three -day auction. And the stuff that sells

first gets the most money. The stuff that sells

five days in isn't going to make as much. So

I think in all, we've probably made three or

four hundred dollars back. We probably could

have made five or six if we put it on a three

-day auction. Not enough to pay for the trip.

Are you guys going to go to Disneyland next year?

It's weird because I'm like, did you read the

blog post? I was just writing a blog post. I

haven't included pictures yet though. I think

the plan, they announced this at BotCon is that

next year they're going to have it in California

again, in Pasadena. I'm not really pleased with

the whole reusing of locations. But, again, there's

another movie coming out, so they're probably

gonna tie that in somehow. Like they did last

year. As long as they make Transformers films

every two to three years, BotCon will be at the

same place every two to three years. Well, for

the first Transformer movie, that wasn't the

case. You know, I'm trying to remember where

the hell it was. It wasn't... No, it was in Pasadena.

In 2007? No, it wasn't. I don't know, 2002, nevermind.

I was thinking about last year. Yeah, well last

year it was, but that was the second movie. Now

we saw the first movie at BotCon. Yeah. And I'm

trying to remember, was that Rhode Island or

not? I don't remember. But no, we saw it at BotCon,

and it was great because we saw it like two weeks

earlier and everybody else in the world, and

we saw it in a room full of Transformers fans,

which was awesome. Yeah. But yeah, so that was

great. We really enjoyed that. And if we get

a private screening next time or next year, that'll

be great too. But they announced it at the awards

dinner. They said, oh, blocks are already open.

Go ahead and register your rooms. Well, the next

morning all the rooms were booked. So it's like,

well, do we still go? Do we try to find a different

hotel? We actually got reservations. I believe

that they probably double and triple booked,

just in case people cancel out or something at

the last second. I don't know what's going to

happen. I think what we're going to end up doing

actually is just going to Disneyland. Disneyland

is 25 miles away from Pasadena. That's about

how much I drive to work in the morning. My commute

is about 45 minutes to an hour. I don't know

what it's going to be like in LA traffic. I'd

say if you guys want to go to a convention next

year, go to TFCon. I don't know. I'm not sure.

We'll see. But Chrissy really wants to go to

Disneyland. She heard at Disney World that Disneyland

is almost like Universal Studios as opposed to

Disney World, right? Right. So I don't know how

much of that's true. She looked it up. She thought

it would be cool to take the kids She wants to

go to Disneyland for the week, which means I

will be driving back and forth You know, I maybe

maybe it'll be alright, I don't know You know,

I'm not I'm not entirely sure how well that's

gonna fly We've got a year to mull it over Yeah

Yeah, so maybe maybe not Yeah. Oh wait. I don't

understand why they announced it so early. Did

they announce this year's last year at 2000?

Oh, you weren't there. No, they didn't. They

don't normally announce where it's going to be

until registration. Registration is usually about

four months before BotCon. See, that's why I

don't understand why they would have announced

it at this year's show for next year, unless

it's because of the whole movie thing. I have

no idea. I don't know. I think that was really

stupid. I'm not entirely sure if I agree with

it. And again, you know, the next morning everyone's

like, oh, hotels are already all booked. Yep.

And I'm like, well, fuck. Yeah, and that's the

poor marketing part of it is, oh, wow. You know,

we've already got all these hotels booked up,

and now we're going to have to find another hotel

for people to go to, and blah, blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, it's not even - I don't think

there are more hotels there. If I remember right,

that was the problem with that particular venue

was that they don't have a whole lot of hotels

in the area. And apparently there's rampant crime

as well. So I'm thinking, you know, I'm going

to drive 25 miles to get there. I'm going to

park in a parking lot that's four blocks away

from the convention center and I'm going to get

mugged in between. That little old lady from

Pasadena. Yeah, something like that. oh come

on i was making a beach boys reference some type

of timely reference yeah yeah i i don't know

i'm just i'm just not sure uh... i i i won't

go like you know i will try to go to tfcon next

year i will not go to botcon unless it's in this

area somewhere like if it comes back to lexington

or if it comes back to cincinnati or if it comes

to hell if it even comes here to louisville which

i don't think they ever will Um, but I don't

think I will ever go to that show. Not if it's

on the West Coast, I won't. As much, uh, I want

to say as much fan winking as they did for David

Willis this year. Uh, David Willis specifically

wanted Shattered Glass Ravage. David Willis specifically

wanted Slicer. Um, apparently he had been petitioning

for Slicer for years. You know, it's like, okay,

we get it, you guys love David Willis, fine,

but... Wouldn't doubt it if before too long you'll

you'll end up seeing a bad kind in Columbus That's

where he lives or somewhere near Columbus yeah,

I mean mark my words And it'll be like and there

will be David Willis saying I told them to have

it in Columbus Alright, well, I think that's

gonna do it for us and our little BotCon 2010

exclusive toy roundup. Do you have anything else

you'd like to get off your chest before we leave

the people? No, you know, we didn't do a whole

lot of talking about the toys as much as we talked

about the book and the BotCon and the video game

and whatever else, but you know, I think we covered

the basics. Well, the toy talk... Including maybe

a little history lesson on g2 and action masters

and that type of thing Yeah, well the toy talk

outside of the tangents is it's running in an

hour and seven minutes So total this show is

gonna be like an hour and 37 minutes Yeah, well

time flies when you're talking toys truly epic

yes, exactly swan dive. It's the best podcast

of your life But I'm scared, I can't die if I

have to go to Fantasia to save the... Oh, what

the hell's that damn Empress's name? Anyway,

nevermind. It's a Neverending Story 2 reference,

people, sorry. Oh, you suck. Neverending Story

2, who saw that? I mean, honestly, why would

you suck? I own it, shut up. The first one, classic.

The thing that I've been really hung up on lately

is the old Spiceman. Have you seen these? Oh,

God. Let's end this show before we get into this.

Oh, no. He's like, swan dive. That is so epic.

In fact, I was on Twitter today, kind of tweeting

as Old Spice Man, trying to do the voice. And,

you know, it's just the way... The way he talks,

if you go and look on YouTube, he was doing personalized

responses to people on Twitter and Facebook and

that type of thing. And it's just really, really

funny stuff. You'll have to see it, I suppose.

One of the things we should bring up before we

go. I don't know if you saw it. My mom called

me the other night and said something about,

oh, turn on Pawn Stars. There's this guy that's

selling his giant transformers collection or

something i'm like you know i i just kind of

blew her off because i don't watch the history

channel and i don't watch porn stars uh... you

know of the history channel but never heard of

porn stars until i heard about them on you know

twitter and facebook and then i i've got really

interested because it's like wait a minute this

guy's got this massive g2 or g1 collection you

know i've got to see it it was pretty cool No,

did you actually see pictures of it or the video?

No, I've never seen it Oh, oh my god, you know

what? You don't read my Twitter feed at all because

I know for a fact that I posted pictures especially

on Facebook The links are on my Facebook. Okay.

Well, I'll look at your Facebook. But yes, I

do read your Twitter feed We're getting way off

topic here. Anyway, suffice to say this guy Doesn't

have just a collection like me. I've got a collection.

I've got one of each, right? Yeah, I try to make

sure I have I don't want to say one of everything

but yeah, you know, I like the fact that I've

got a full collection. I'm a completionist This

guy I don't know what the hell he was thinking

but he's got First of all, he doesn't have shelves.

They're all lined up on the floor like army men

in an array, right and He's got them lined up

according to who they are. So he's got five power

master primes in a row He's got two fort maxes

in a row He's got five or six Superions lined

up in a row. I don't mean Aerobots, I mean Superion

in a row. He'll have six or seven Devastators

in various colors, green, yellow, orange, in

a row. He's got one whole wall is just rows of

Citybots. He's got five or six... Omega Supremes

and then behind that is a whole row of Triptychons

I don't know if they're complete But I mean the

bodies are there right right so it's like oh

my god. I mean it's not like You know yeah, he's

got like a thousand, but it could be a thousand

of only 120 different figures Wow, yeah, it's

crazy. I was just like who Who does this? You

know, how is this? Why would you do that? And

they were all G1. Yeah. I mean, it was like,

really neat. Yeah. For me, as far as my Transformers

collection goes, and I've said this before, number

one, it has to be a character I like. Number

two, G1 toys I grew up on, obviously. Number

three, with anything new, like say, From classics

on I have to have two of each character like

animated. I bought two. I have two blurs. I have

two jazz to Voyager primes to Right this guy's

just got them lined up in robot mode Oh one in

front of the other again. Well, you know how

you'd line up your army man, right? Yeah. Yeah,

this is literally like he had them set up in

clusters one in front of the other in robot mode.

It was really weird to see. I'm assuming since

the show was Pawn Stars he's selling all this?

Well, he had them come out to his house and he

said, okay, they actually brought a toy guru,

someone who knew how much it was worth, right?

And the guy came in and he said, this collection's

worth anywhere between 15 and 20 thousand dollars.

And this dickhead says, I'll give you five grand

for it. And the guy goes, uh, no. And then he

goes, OK, fine. I'll give you 10 grand for it.

And the guy goes, no. I didn't actually see it.

But from the description that I read, that's

what happened. I'm going to have to find it online

so I can watch this episode. I don't know if

the episode is online. Thorazine sent me the

link to the video. I haven't watched it, I just

saw the picture. The pictures are like, holy

shit. It's really neat to see this. And I hope

the guy gets 15, 20 grand for it because maybe

I'll put my kids through college on my collection,

I don't know. But yeah, he had just a buttload

of G1 goodness lined up there. And I can see...

Why he would say, you know, I just want to sell

it in one big lot to somebody else like a pawn

store or pawn shop Because like other people

were saying why don't you take it to body? Well,

I was other people were saying take it to eBay

and sell it there and I'm thinking what a huge

pain in the ass because you may end up If you

have a thousand items, you may end up selling

each one of those to a different person. That's

a thousand boxes you have to box up ship out

keep track of who got what, and what went where,

and who paid and who didn't pay, and it's just

a colossal pain in the ass. I had a huge amount

of trouble just with Chrissy's BotCon sales on

eBay. That was just three or four boxes I had

to mail out, let alone, it reminds me, I wrote

a blog post about that, never posted it. But

yeah, it was a huge pain in the butt. By the

time I got done, I think I would have been happier

just keeping them. It was really, really just

a big mess. And I can't imagine what a thousand

items would be like. Oh yeah, what I don't understand

is when you told me that story about Chrissy's

set, you're like me. You post listings that say,

you know, U .S. auction or U .S. Canadian auction

only. Yeah. If that's the case, how the hell

did a Chinese guy get her set? I have no idea.

If he's willing to pay for shipping, fine. Yeah,

that's fine. Go ahead. I'll ship him out. I mean

he's 65 bucks for shipping the China If he wants

to pay it fine, you know, otherwise I would have

had to relist it and again as I said before Three

days after bot con you can get a pretty good

pretty you know Pretty good amount of money five

days after bot con not screwed. Yeah seven or

ten days after bot con You're not gonna get dick

Right now, I can go on ByCon and find people

that are selling their 2010 stuff at almost cost.

It's ridiculous. I don't know. The first year,

I think like 2006 that we did it, we put it on

like a seven day and didn't get very good value.

The 2007 ones, we put on the next day and we

got really good prices. I mean, people were just

bidding the hell out of these. And then, you

know, after a few days go by, people start deciding

on how much it's really worth. Big Bad Toy Store

gets theirs out, and then they decide what it's

worth. You know, so, I mean, our shark decon

sold, buy it now, for 150 bucks. Wow. We paid

50. So, yeah, bingo, you know. Couple days later,

they were going for 100. Yeah, so so yeah, we

sold early we got a better deal the other ones

sat there for five days We didn't get nearly

as good a deal You know could have gotten a couple

hundred dollars more on them if we'd sold them

in three -day auctions, but we did yeah All right,

that's that yeah, that was a tangent. I was actually

gonna say something else Yeah, well that's my

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