Universe Silverbolt, Mighty Mugs, and Toy Collecting in Different Markets

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Radio Free Cybertron and TFRadio .net. Hello.

Hi. How are you? I'm good. How are you doing?

Pretty good. Ah, yes. Toycast is fast approaching

the 50th episode and I'm trying to decide what

kind of weird special thing I want to do for

the 50th episode. You know, it's kind of hard

to figure out special events to do for these

milestones like this. Yeah, I mean, we're not

there yet. We're still seven, eight episodes

out, but I don't know. May not do anything. He

may just say screw it and just record something

anyway eventually, I don't know. Oh, you can

always wait for a hundred. If this... When I

first started this show, my intention wasn't

really to see how many episodes I get to. It

was more of, oh, okay, well I have this toy.

I want to talk about this toy with other people

that are like -minded about... You know, originally

it started as Transformers Toycast, and I just

ended up broadening it to all toy lines. But,

you know, I... God, if this show gets to 100

episodes, I'll be extremely surprised. I really

will. Alright, since you are the guest, what

will you be talking about first? Well, one thing

that comes to mind for me is the Universe Silverbolt

mold, but not Silverbolt himself. The odd thing

about that for me was that as Silverbolt, the

toy just looked completely unappealing. I mean,

it wasn't just the colors or anything, it was

just the whole design of the toy. It always seemed

overly simple and transformation. You know, in

jet mode there was a whole robot hanging off

the bottom of it and the reverse in robot mode.

But then these exclusive recolors of it started

coming out and somehow Hasbro managed to hit

on two different characters that I just had to

have. And that's the story of how I have Skyfall

from Walmart's Exclusive Universe Ultras and

Dark Wind from Toys R Us. I don't know, I never

really got into the whole universe jets. Well,

the thing with the silverbolt mold is that while

the transformation is really simple, they kind

of balance it out by making the robot mode, I

want to say, almost unusually articulated. A

lot of the joints are more free than... Otherwise

they would be because there's not a lot of vehicle

parts interfering with them because of course

the vehicle and robot modes pretty much don't

integrate together in any way. It's kind of a

mixed effect. Yeah, now that you're explaining

it, and I'm getting an image of this thing in

my head, I'm thinking, wait, it's a transformer.

The vehicle and the robot motor are supposed

to combine in some form, whether you have vehicle

kibble or robot kibble. But they're supposed

to go together. You just can't make a transformer

that is either one or the other. Then again,

there is that $100 piece of crap Devastator that

doesn't do anything whatsoever. It eats things,

though. I understand it does that really well.

Yeah, we just My buddy Michael Wilson and Stephen

Phillips that runs the network with me We just

recorded beast war beast unleashed episode 4

last night This will probably go up Saturday.

Most likely. I don't know yet. But anyway We

just recorded that last night and Michael said

he got the the legends Devastator. I meant to

ask him if it came with tiny balls Well, you

know, I saw a little while back there was a pre

-order on Big Bad Toy Store for a fan company

kit that was a set of wrecking balls for the

Legends Devastator mold. Oh, that's just so wrong.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought, too.

I mean, I know we're adult collectors, but these

are supposed to be children's toys for the most

part. Jesus. Oh, God, that's so... Well, yeah,

but, you know, it's not the fan company's idea.

They put that in the movie. No, I know. Which

is also presumably for kids of some age. You

know. I would never show my kids that movie.

Well, no. If I had kids, I'd want to expose them

to, you know, something that was actually good.

Yeah. So what else do you like about the skyfall

and the dark wind? I mostly really just like

them for the characters they represent. Skyfall

is based on a G2 Cyberjet which has pretty much

the whole time I've been a Transformers fan,

I got into it during G2, that the Cyberjets were

one of my favorite toy lines in there. So it

was great for me to be able to get Skyfall who

is so... It makes a pretty good representation

of the original Skyjack toy. Of course skyjack

was a stealth bomber originally and the silverbolt

mode turns into some kind of a Faked up like

Valkyrie thing But in robot mode with the way

the winged backpack sits on there. It really

does look similar Yeah You know I've seen I know

you're talking about those specific characters,

but I've seen the silverbolt in stores, and I

just I like the original G1s, aerial bots, but

I just couldn't pull the trigger on this one.

Well, yeah, I mean for Silverbolt I couldn't

either. The only way these really sold to me

was because of the characters they were in. Right,

yeah. Mine is, if it's a character that I have

some kind of attachment to, or buy it, it's based

on a crappy toy. Yeah, that's like with me, I

mentioned referencing of the cast. You know,

we mentioned the power core combiners, you know,

that's it. But power core combiners, I don't

like. It's just one of those things that's there.

But there's no care to make me buy. You know,

on RFC, we did our live Toy Fair coverage with

Teef this past Saturday. You know, one of the

things, the automatic transformation of the limb

toys work. And, you know, once I heard that,

those PowerCore combiners just sounded so much

cooler to me. You know, robot modes for the limb

toys, when it's traded off for automatic instant

trans -tach and disconnect the toy. Right. You

know, is healing, and it really shot up the cool

points of PowerCore. PowerCore combiners aren't

cool. I'm just saying, you know, like you were

saying... Like you said a second ago, if it's

not a character that you don't have a connection

to or something like that, you're probably not

going to add him. I've seen from Toy Fair video

that there's just no way I'll buy him. For me,

it's that the character can make an unappealing

toy. more palatable to me but you know if a toy

looks cool it doesn't really matter about the

character to me because I want cool toys yeah

I mean I think you know Hasbro did a good job

with you know coming up with a new gimmick I

mean yeah they've had the the automorph or the

mech alive or whatever whatever they want to

call it you know throughout the movie line and

you know throughout some of the animated toys

but I mean that is a kind of a cool gimmick compared

to cyber keys yeah No, it's really clear that

Hasbro is trying every year to push the Envelope

a little farther with what the toys can do. You

know, back when they were doing the Second Universe

line in 2008, one of the notes that we got about

their design philosophy was that their focus

groups, the kids they tested the toys with, really

liked the concept of the heads coming out...

as one of the final steps in transformation.

The kids saw that as when the Transformer really

like became alive. So they incorporated that

feature into a lot of those universe toys. And

you know that really struck with me as a good

move. It's something I enjoy too. Of course there's

a little bit of kid in all of us to be collecting

these. like on the Sunstreaker and Sideswipe

mold, for instance, where it's a geared function,

sort of mechalive or automorph things, where

you turn the windshield around and the head pops

up. That kind of thing is really cool to me.

I like the geared and spring -driven action gimmicks.

I think, besides the minicons of course, that

was one of the major things that endeared me

to Armada right from the beginning. The minicons

are evil. Anyway... They are. They're evil. You're

like a terrible human being. Minicons are evil.

The only good thing about Armada for me was the

video game. Outside of that, I didn't care for

Armada at all. the appeal in having a Transformer

that's really posable, has a certain kind of

detailing, but I also want things to be different

every once in a while. From the start of Beast

Wars through the end of Robots in Disguise, we

pretty much had Transformers whose main focus

was on the articulation and action features were

secondary if they were even present at all. Again,

that is perfectly fine. I'm cool with that up

to a point. But when we got to Armada, the minicons

themselves are one thing. And that they could

plug onto the toys and activate these pretty

complex, in some cases, action gimmicks. It changed

the way the toys... It changed the toys, basically.

They use the term play pattern, and that's exactly

what it is. The toys feel like you can play with

them more. as opposed to just posing them on

the shelf or a table. You could set up battle

scenes or whatever, but there's not a lot you

can do to interact with the toys, if you understand

what I mean. You plug the helicopter on the hotshot

and the big bazooka flips up over his head. That's

a real interactive feature and really one of

the early favorites in Armada for me, anyway.

I can see why they moved away from it, especially

having to engineer the minicons on the same budget

as the toys they came with. It made everything

a little bit more simple. I think, too, that's

why when for Cybertron they revisited the action

feature thing like that, they went with the keys

instead of the minicons because they could devote

more resources into the main toy. Right. But

yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying about

not liking some of Armada's stuff. I don't like

everything about it, but I really am happy with

the concept by itself, if not every execution

of it. Alright, alright. I have been on a huge

Mighty Mug kick for a very long time, for like

the past... God, I don't even know how many episodes

I've done that I've talked about Mighty Mugs,

and... Well, yeah, I've seen on Twitter, too,

you talk quite a bit about the Mighty Mugs. Yeah.

Well, now, see, this is kind of the reverse of

the Armada thing, because I cannot understand

the appeal of these Mighty Mugs at all. Well,

okay, well, you know, and I know you don't listen

to the show, or you haven't listened to the show,

but... The way I look at them is they are for

us collectors and they are for characterization

points of view Like for some strange reason I

didn't think I was gonna get this guy until next

week But I just got the black suited spider -man

one from Marvel line The mailman dropped it off

in front of my door earlier this afternoon and

it's basically just black suited Spidey with

little white and black web shooter things on

it on his hands It's very very simple Normally

the mighty mugs arms and heads turn. I have no

idea why his head does not turn It's extremely

tight. I have no idea but You know they're They're

display pieces for me. I mean, you know you can

put them in kind of cool poses you can kind of

you know group these ones in with that group

or group those ones in with that group you know

it's it's more of a display piece than it is

an actual you know toy that you play with but

that's just the way I feel about it but like

I said black suited spider -man very very cool

he has the giant white eyes that are painted

on looks very very menacing he has the spider

slash venom type of logo that goes under his

armpit and around to the back and the same thing

in the front. Like I said, he's got little white

squares with a black dot in the middle on each

of his hands to showcase, I guess, his web shooters.

Very, very cool. And the other thing is with

the Mighty Mugs is they do have cool boxes. No

seriously they have they have pretty awesome

boxes because the boxes can become a display

piece because on the top the very top of the

box is like the face of whatever character it

is and I think the whole bottom shelf of my toy

shelf back here in my living room I took Castle

Grayskull off of it And I lined up all the money

mug boxes, and it's just a whole bunch of faces.

There's like 27 faces back there. So it's just,

I don't know, they're just really cool. Yes,

I am a geek. I'm just thinking that in most cases,

the packaging just is not a consideration in

whether I'm going to buy a toy or not. Normally,

I would agree with you. Normally I, you know,

especially, um, oh hell, um, when I got animated

Blitzwing, I had to kill that packaging to get

the toy out of it. I actually almost broke my

entire index finger nail off trying to get Blitzwing

out of the packaging. Normally I could care less

about packaging. What were you going to do, dig

through the side with your hands? No! Those freaking...

twist -tie wire things i don't i don't have little

i have scissors but i don't have like little

wire cutters so i don't like the old clippers

or something uh... you know somewhere but anyway

um... right now clippers on those they were uh...

really well okay uh... but what what i didn't

realize what else yeah i've bought uh... I bought

Voyager figures before from the animated line.

None of them ever had the wire going through

the actual toy. I had to transform Blitzwing

into robot mode to get him out of the package.

I know, they get a little overzealous with keeping

the toy in place sometimes. Yeah, especially

with him. Normally I would agree with you. I

could care less about packaging, but these...

you know these boxes that like I said just so

damn cool and they're really easy to open I mean

all you do is you open the top of the box you

pull out the little stand that it comes in with

the little plastic thing that it's held in all

you gotta do is pull off a piece of plastic and

make sure his arms aren't you know fastened in

with the little other piece of plastic and you

got him out of the package and the box stays

fairly you know in good shape right so I don't

know, like I said, I'm a geek, I like the boxes,

they're cool. Yeah, no, I mean, I can understand

in a case like that, you know, where the box

is designed to work as a part of the toy. Of

course, offhand, I can't remember the last thing

I got that was actually made that way. But I

totally get what you're talking about with that.

Yeah, I would say maybe... I'm trying to think

if I saved my animated leader Magnus box. I don't

think so But I would say something like that

you could probably if you got it out, you know

fairly Easily you could keep those kind of boxes

as well, but those I mean those You know, really

aren't for... I mean, these are made to be displayed.

These boxes are specifically... Unless you live

in Canada and you get nothing but Optimus Prime

on every box. Yeah, the way the Canadian stuff

works has always struck me as a little weird.

I seem to recall that back when Universe was

coming out... Most or all of their deluxe packaging

had Sunstreaker cards Mm -hmm So see what you

need to do is get somebody from Canada on the

show to talk about how crazy the toys are there

Oh, we have Proto Man come on all the time Does

he talk about how crazy the toy collecting thing

is in Canada? I don't think so, but I can have

him talk about it next time. He's on I just remembered

him him telling me about About the Canadian versions

of the mighty mug boxes because when I first

started talking about them I had got I had just

gotten the transformers ones And he said yeah,

we don't have the the the US packaging all of

our transformers mighty mugs They all have optimus

prime on the box like oh that sucks I Think in

general it sucks to be a toy collector in Canada

I mean just from everything I've ever heard you

know it's more expensive Half the stuff does

not even make it up there sometimes. Well, yeah,

it's because of customs. And, you know, you can

forget about store exclusives almost entirely.

Yeah. Unless Zeller's picks them up, and then

again, it's a lot more expensive. Yep. Glad I

live in the U .S. I could never live anywhere

other than the U .S. Just, no way. It's like,

it's a nice place to visit, but I am not living

there. Yeah, I mean, when you grow up in this

sort of environment and then you're thrown into

something like the Canadian marketplace where

everything is completely different, it's a big

contrast. I'm not sure if you think about quite

as much if the Canadian way is what you've been

used to your whole life. Right. I mean, of course,

in the age of the internet, you know about how

it is other places, I don't know exactly how

much impact it has without experiencing it yourself.

Yeah, well, it's kind of like, I don't know,

moving from Little Rock, Arkansas to Los Angeles.

It's a huge culture shock, or vice versa. You

know, it's the same thing with the economic market,

but I'm glad I'm a toy collector in the US and

not Canada, because I feel sorry for Canadians

sometimes. They get such a raw deal on toys.

Yeah, I mean, of course it's not all good for

US toy collectors because depending on the kind

of stuff you collect, it might not even be available

here in the first place. True. You know, for

the longest time I collected the Gundam action

figures, the mobile suits in action. And for

a while those were released in the US market,

but after the Gundam merchandise thing pretty

much died here... the only way they were available

was to import them from Japan. And I mean that

had its benefits. The Japanese toys generally

had a little more paint and of course after a

while there were figures that were exclusive

to Japan because nothing new was coming out in

America. But you know it's expensive to get those.

They cost about twice as much and of course you

pay almost as much in shipping as the thing cost

originally. And then you've got to wait three

weeks for it. Just recently I started picking

up a couple of these Gundam figures again. The

mobile suit and action line had ceased in Japan

a year or two ago. At least two years ago. And

it was replaced with a new series they called

Robot Damacy, which means robot spirit or robot

soul. It's usually robot spirits in the English

version of the packaging. But as far as I can

tell, engineering -wise, they're not really any

different from the preceding mobile suits in

action, but they cost about twice as much. I

mean, they're the same size, same kind of articulation

on them and everything, same plastic and paint

work. Actually, in some cases, less paint work.

The best we can figure out is that Bandai had

realized that the mobile suits in action were

mostly attracting adult collectors and much the

same way Mattel has with the Masters of the Universe

now. They're just milking the adult collectors

out of these things and getting as much money

as they can. That's probably why they're charging

a lot more for these than the previous figure

line. Yeah, we're not gonna... I don't want to

invoke any rage, but we're not even going to

be talking about Maddie Collector because that

was just horrible. I laughed my ass off when

I listened to Ender about that. I know you purposely

do the show just with whatever language comes

out of it, but... For the way that rant came

out after it was edited and posted Do you have

to admit the bleeping adds a certain comedic

effect to it? Oh, it does. No, it completely

does. You know, I respect anybody, you know,

it's like I said off air, you know, I personally,

me, I don't make podcasts for kids, but I get

that Radio Free Cybertron has been around for

a while, plus you guys are now attached to Tformers,

so I get that you have to do a PG podcast, which

is Yeah, we want to do a Facebook show because,

you know, we want the biggest audience we can

get out of it. Right, exactly. And, you know,

I will admit, that's funny as hell. I sent Brian

a message on Twitter after I listened to it.

I said, dude, we need to have Ender on Toycast

to get that rant bleep free because it was so

much funnier, too. I mean, I sat there and listened

to it the first time through, and we were trying

to silence our laughter as he was going through

it. I don't have a problem with strong language.

I don't use it a lot myself. I've heard everything,

of course. To me though, it comes out more entertaining

with the bleeps in. Yeah, it does. It's an old

standby in the entertainment industry to always

leave at least a little bit hidden to spur people's

imaginations. Right, yeah. Mattel and the the

Masters and Universe classics line, you know

really honestly There's nothing right now as

far as Transformers toys that I'm interested

in except maybe some of the ones that I don't

have yet like I don't have a I have two different

I have a nemesis prime and a shatter glass prime

But I don't have the original classics mold of

optimus other than that There's nothing really

new that's coming out other than obviously the

unreleased animated toys yet What do you think

about Straxus? I don't think I've seen a picture

of that. Oh, you didn't? I might have. I don't

know. It's been a while since I looked at the

Toy Fair stuff. Well, you know who Straxus is,

right? I think so. Fertile Man said something

about him in the last episode. Straxus was a

character from the Marvel comics. And he was

one of the... He was a... I would call him a

middle Decepticon leader. He ruled over the territory

of Darkmount which is where the toy's name comes

from now because Hasbro could not use Straxus.

In the US comic he only appeared in I think two

issues and then died. But the UK Marvel comics

which always expanded a lot on what the US comics

would start had Straxus around in kind of some

bizarre, bizarre roles for quite a while. I would

say Stratus is a lot more notable to, like, UK

trans fans than American ones. But as far as

the important parts of Stratus' appearance, the

toy totally nails it. It's another one of those

things, kind of like Sea Spray, where, you know,

Neither one of those is being marketed as a movie

toy, of course, but they're really hitting the

certain style for these toys. They're both more

or less classic -styled. Two most notable things

about Straxus are his face, which has no mouth

or lower jaw, and the axe he carries around.

This toy completely nails both of those. So,

Straktas is another one of those things that

Hasbro has tossed out there just really for the

fans, and I could not be happier with the way

it's looking. Yeah, yeah. I saw Pia's review

of Sea Spray today, and I had seen the pictures

of Sea Spray, and while I think he's an okay

G1 character, I don't really like the toy. The

alt mode is cool, but the robot mode just...

no. I'll admit, I'd probably like C -Spray's

robot mode a little bit better if the triangle

of his torso was reversed. Yeah. And he looked

more like he had more of a belly going on. Yeah.

I mean, we all remember the original Minibot

C -Spray, and he did not look like a bodybuilder.

No, he didn't. Nor was he portrayed as such in

the cartoon, so You know the other thing is Seaspray

was some sort of boat Originally this thing is

more the new version is more of a hovercraft

Seaspray was always a hovercraft actually oh

I always thought he was like a mini boat or something

and then he was he was totally a hovercraft He's

a different kind now, he's like a troop lander

hovercraft. Okay, that must be what's confusing

me. No, I mean if you look at the original toy

you can see around the edges he has the rounded

sides which are to represent the air cushion

skirt. Right, right. But yeah, I mean the new

sea spray is a lot more like a military troop

lander. Yeah. Looks like something out of Street

Fighter from John Claude Van Damme. Oh boy. I

think the less we talk about that, the better.

Well, it kind of does. It's like one of those

times, but yeah. Do we have anything else we

would like to bring up? Well, actually, if you

don't mind, in addition to working at Radio Free

Cybertron, I also run my own website. It's actually

a co -editor thing with my friend RAC who contributes

sometimes more than I do. The site's called It

Figures. It's a general toy review site and we

are actually coming up on our fifth anniversary

on March 1st. Oh cool, happy anniversary. I actually

have a question for you about that because there's

also I know that's your website name, but there's

also a podcast named It Figures that is completely

separate, I think, isn't there? If so, it's the

first time I've heard about it. Yeah, there's

a podcast on the... Oh, I found it when I watched

That New Toy Smell on YouTube. The Pop Culture

Network has one called It Figures as well. So

I don't know who came... I may have to call the

lawyers. At least you can afford lawyers. I can't.

We've been doing it figures for five years now.

We actually started out doing a lot of Gundam

figure coverage and just as we kind of lost a

little interest in that as time went on we branched

out more into other lines. We do a lot of Transformers

too. Recently we've been covering figures from

the G .I. Joe movie line too. But for the fifth

anniversary we're actually going back to how

we started and we're picking up a little coverage

on the Gundams again. I mentioned earlier about

buying some of the newer robot Damacy figures

which is for the 5th anniversary event. Oh, cool.

That will be running starting the first week

in March. You can check us out at figurereviews

.com And we also have a Twitter feed where we

cross post our updates, which is at it figures

update. Oh, that's cool. Yes. RFC is also running

a contest, which I absolutely want to win, damn

it. Oh, I need to mention this. Having you on

this show does not disqualify me in any way or

form because I'm not trying to garner any bonus

points or bounty points or anything. But I want

that RC, damn it. Yeah, I want an RC too. I can't

find one myself. I went to Toys R Us... I might

go quit RFC just so I can enter the contest.

Oh, wow. But yeah, I went to Toys R Us a couple

weeks ago and it was after the news had floated

down that she was appearing in random cities

and I figured, well, I don't come out to my Toys

R Us too often seeing as how it's on the other

side of the city. So I figured, all right, well

I'll go out and I'll see. They had everything

except RC. They had voyagers, TFA voyagers out

the butt of Megatron, Shockwave, Optimus. They

had deluxes, like every single deluxe that has

been released in the entire animated line. They

did not have one RC. How far a drive is your

Toys R Us from you? It's probably about 15 -20

minutes. See, my closest Toys R Us is a 45 -minute

drive. Oh. And the last time I went there, which

was just recently, they had a few Voyagers. I

remember noticing a wreck guard in particular.

But for the Deluxes, they had a Cybertronian

mode, Optimus Prime, electrostatic sound wave,

and an oil slick. Nothing else. Yeah, it's funny

you mentioned that because I was in I got a whole

bunch of Beast Wars robot heroes the other day

at big lots Yeah, and it always amazes me where

some animated toys show up and which ones show

up at weird store I saw two oil slicks and a

regular sound wave in my big lots when I went

to What was when I went to Walgreens there was

like Four bumblebees and two regular sound waves

weird yes Yeah, the one thing that you know even

though I love big bad toy store the one problem

I have with them is the only RC they have up

for pre -order is the Japanese version right

and I'm guessing you're not really interested

in the shiny paint either The only one that I

am interested in because I refuse to buy the

American version is bumblebee Hate the American

version of bumblebee the only bumblebee mold

I have right now is the elite guard one because

it's ten times cooler than the original So the

shiny paint on the Japanese bumblebee. I would

definitely want that one I guess you can always

call it g2 animated bumblebee or gold bug Well,

see now I always thought that elite guard bumblebee

had more of a gold bug thing going on If you

look at the picture on BBTS, it's It looks like

it's almost gold. It doesn't look like metallic

yellow to me. But that's just me. I'll have to

check that out later on. Yes, as we speak, I

just typed in RC's name into the Toys R Us website.

And damn, the only thing that comes up is that

frigging Human Alliance crap. Well, that's too

bad. Well, I typed it in the other day and...

It showed up, but it showed up with a description

for electrostatic sound wave, and it said it

was out of stock Some of those people at Toys

R Us don't know what they're doing sometimes

Well, it's hard when you have to keep up with

that many different toys That's true. You know

nobody's being paid enough to keep up with all

that The only people who can keep up with that

are the people who are not being paid at all

to do it, which is the fans. Yes, and that's

one of my biggest complaints about the Toys R

Us website. On every item that I've looked at,

regardless of what kind of toy it is, it says,

oh, we cannot match this to what's in store.

You're going to have to check your local store

if you want to find it. That makes every other

website I know of that has an online version

and an actual read like Walmart or Target. whatever

they always have you know hey see if you can

find this in the actual store nearest you yeah

oh god Toys R Us you piss me off so much I would

never work there never they wouldn't they would

have to pay me a million dollars a month I would

never work there Okay, well I think we're gonna

end this train wreck. It's not that bad, is it?

Well, no, but it's kind of getting off that,

you know, the actual topic. It's starting to

go into rants on my end anyway. You know what,

pardon me, I'm kind of used to just going with

the flow of it. Yeah, no, that's fine. Yeah,

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