Star Trek and John Carpenter Film Discussion

Neil Ross here, and it's time to get altered

and get geeky on Altered Geek with Steve Megatron

You're tuned in to Altered Geek Hello and welcome

to Altered Geek I'm your host Steve Phillips

and joining me in this adventure into geekdom

is Mike the Birdman Don and Alex Ha ha I cut

you off as always. Thank you for tuning in welcome

guys Yes, delicious. You said delicious So how

much are we supposed to swear just to peeve off?

Lantern minimal, but I will replace your voice

with goat sounds Can you just replace it? Anyway,

like replace I'll talk this entire time and just

replace every single word I've done in the entire

podcast with a swear word Like animal burning

animal just to peeve them off and just say that

Alex was here to enhance the podcast So every

time you say peeve, I'll just put in there like

goat, cow, horse. Because you know, Mr. Ed. It

enhances everything. So. I'm sorry, I'm never

going to get over that. I know. Thanks. I know.

We're just playing around. Oh, yeah. Enhance,

enhance super troopers. So housekeeping of. What's

been geeky to you this past week? I Had some

eggos earlier Eggos. I haven't even seen those

things in like forever Like I remember when that

was a big thing, but they're not even that big

of a deal. No, I Am the only reason I got them

is because I saw them in like stranger things

I'm like I should have eggos again because why

not? That's just a relevant reason alone, you

know, just oh I saw it on TV. So I think I'll

eat it Exactly. It makes sense. Why the hell

not? Not a whole hell of a lot, actually. It's

been kind of quiet over here. I've been watching

a lot of TV. I really got into this show called

Drugs, Inc. Wow. Drugs are friggin' scary, man.

Oh my god. This show makes America look like

the worst place on earth like this is Philadelphia

Here's a crack dead. Welcome to Portland. It

is also the meth capital where the cartels rule

Oh my god. Well, I don't want to go anywhere

like 90 % of that show was just in Baltimore

It's kind of what you expect scary He's scared

of it. It's TV. And OK, this isn't geeky, but

it's weird. But I saw this meme and it made me

laugh so much. And this week was the MTV Video

Music Awards, which had no rock bands. So screw

them. That's still a thing. That's still a thing.

They still exist. Yeah. They still care. I thought

they were just reruns of reality shows and like

Degrassi. So for some reason iced tea comes out

and starts rapping so that's cool But here's

what the meme said There's an entire generation

wondering why detective to twello from law and

order SVU is rapping right now And I got the

thing. Yeah, you know what they're not wrong.

Well, cuz I mean last time he had a rap record

was what like 95 And and then like a while. I

mean people probably know body count his yeah

Well, yeah his heavy metal group, which is hilarious

too because think about how many people that

would have pissed off when he first started doing

like Heavy metal music when he was like a rapper

for 20 years But yeah, that was about the Geekiest

thing I've been going out as weird random documentary

type shows. I know we I've really been watching

documentaries on YouTube today. I really need

to watch a lot more John Carpenter movies. I

just watched a little video on In the Mouth of

Madness, and I forgot how much I loved that movie.

That's his last good one. Pretty much everything

after that was bleh. I thought Vampires was okay,

but it was weird. It felt incomplete. It was

like half a movie and then it ended. Same with

ghosts of Mars was stupid. Oh, it's hilariously

stupid and Was it children of the damned or village

of the damned? I can't watch that because I know

like right after that is when Christopher Reeve

hurt himself, right? So and it was just not a

great movie. But yeah, like that that whole period

from like I'm not a big fan of Halloween, you

know, oh, I can't believe I said that ooh, but

Everything he did from the thing onward like

Christine and all that From like 1980 to 94,

he was like the king of 80s modern, I'm saying

in quotes, horror thrillers, right? Where he

wrote his own music, performed his own music,

wrote the scripts, directed, shot a lot of the

stuff himself, edited the film. He's basically

like Tarantino or Robert Rodriguez 20 years before

them. Yeah, like it was just really neat going

back over he's like back catalog and also Realizing

how much I really enjoy other things that he's

done. I think one of my favorite movies That

he did was Prince of Darkness. I don't know why

I like that movie I just really do is it because

it's the church working with scientists to try

to solve the problem and then was it Alice Cooper

plays the King of the hobo people or something

that is busy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was so just

Weird it was and that's the only way I can describe

the weeds. It's weird Um, but yeah, you should

watch some of the stuff on YouTube. I also saw

something today as well It was a I guess it was

a YouTube documentary but it was talking about

like the genre of slasher films and I saw this

weird thing because what they used to do back

in the day is if they wanted a certain movie

to get popular with video rental stores, so way

back when they had VHS's, they'd send a promo

tape to the store. and they'd have one or two

of the actors talking to you, the video store

owner, saying, Hi, I'm Arnold Schwarzenegger,

and this year for Terminator 2 or something like

that, this one had Robert Englund as Freddie

for Nightmare on Elm Street Part 3. I've never

seen that before. The Terminator 2 one is fantastic

with Robert Patrick. Patrick, yes. When they

talk about how the videos were $250 apiece. but

if you bought four, you got for your store, and

these were for rentals, right? And they had a

program where it's like explaining to store owners

how once you're done with your rentals, they

will send you stickers to put on to show that

it's a used copy that you can sell. Like it was

a new concept in 1990. Like I know a lot of mom

and pop shops were doing that, but like it was

like the first time Blockbuster started doing

that stuff. And they're like, and it'd be aggressively

priced at a hundred dollars for the tape. Like

like up here $100 then would have been like 180

For a single tape the most I ever paid was I

picked up When I was first getting VHS tapes

new I was like 12 I'd use like birthday money.

I picked up snake eyes that's a Nicolas Cage

movie from like 1997 or eight and I picked that

was like oh, it's 39 .99, but that was like a

regular price in the mid 90s But it was like

$39 .99, or I found a tape for $10. I'm like,

oh, it's the same movie. It was letterboxed.

And it was like, nobody wanted the letterbox

copies, even though you got to see more on the

screen. So that's when I started figuring out

what the difference between widescreen and full

screen was, was because the widescreen stuff

was cheaper, even though it was technically superior.

And then I think I picked... I paid like $35

for, you remember those SLP tapes, like the super

low quality ones? Yeah, a two pack of Terminator

1 and 2 was like 35 bucks in SLP mode. And this

is like 95. And of course it's rated R, but I

walk in and I'm like seven or eight and they're

like, yeah, we don't care. But like it would

have been for the SP mode, the regular tapes,

it would have cost an arm and a leg. It would

have been like $200. And the only other thing

I can think of from that time period that I picked

up was a video store was selling off their stock.

I think I paid three dollars for a Dolph Lundgren

movie called, I think here it was called I Come

In Peace. Yes! The movie's awesome! My copy of

the tape was the European copy print, which was

the director's cut, and it was called Dark Angel.

So when you pop it in, it says Dark Angel, I

Come In Peace. And at the end of the tape...

it actually had a thing it's like stay tuned

for special features and it was all like the

interviews with all the directors and stuff and

I was like wait there's more stuff on these tapes

like because you know before DVDs everybody is

used to special features now right but it used

to be you had trailers at the beginning and that

was it well special editions would put like an

extra 10 or 20 minutes of features at the end

so that was like my introduction to you know

special you know anything because now we take

it for granted I remember when I discovered certain

movies had secret endings to them after watching

them and not realizing that, you know, if you'd

stayed longer, it's, oh, there's another ending.

Oh, yeah. Like Wayne's World or that was probably

Masters of the Universe with with like friggin

Skeletor pops out at the end. Yeah, like I would

say Ferris Bueller is probably the first time

people I didn't know about that one either. But

Ferris Bueller is probably one of the first times

people even thought about staying through the

credits. But Because like people used to leave

now everybody just sort of feels weird when a

movie ends And it doesn't have a little thing

at the end. I blame Marvel for that. It is Marvel's

fault So Moving on a little bit, although it's

not that far in the different direction, but

The question for next week is which will answer

next week depending on who decides to show up

for the thing Although everybody's invited Loaded

question here, but what do you think about movie

franchises in that? Are they all trying too hard

to create universes or some best left in the

past as you know trilogies or what do you think

when they they change the status quo either by

misdirection in trailers or Taking characters

back to their corporate playgrounds such as like

the whole spider -man debacle that's going on

That that's it's a loaded question, but I'm looking

forward to seeing when people put in there. Yeah,

that's going to be one we have a lot to talk

about. Yeah, that's why I'm saving you for next

time. I'll be here next week for sure. So, yes,

I decided to bring back the listener questions

because that's when we get feedback and topics.

So last week I said, what do you look forward

to in Geek News now with all the latest going

on? And kind of mentioned the whole thing of

like, you know, the Kevin Conroy playing Bruce

Wayne and the cw and and you know the whole sony

disney debacle and uh the new he -man revival

and you know matrix four and you know plethora

of other geeky news going on so does any of that

resonate i'm interested in matrix four only because

it has been 20 years and although it seems like

they pretty pretty definitively ended uh the

matrix trilogy with revolutions however with

um i think it's Lana Wachowski or or it's Lily

i'm not sure one of the Wachowskis one of them

that's the easiest way to say it so has said

they're coming back to write and be involved

in the sequel and they got back Keanu Reeves

and Carrion Moss as Neo and Trinity though they

haven't mentioned anything about Laurence Fishburne

Um, so I don't know what they're gonna do. My

guess is it'll be a previous version of the matrix

where they try and find a younger Morpheus Or

something because I know they wanted to talk

to Michael B Jordan about a reboot at one point

But I guess i'd rather have a continuation That

would be really weird going back and finding

a younger Morpheus I could see it though. It

could be cool especially because you could say

the machines kept a digital backup of their residual

self image in the matrix servers So even though

their flesh bodies are dead they can upload their

consciousness to a new body So, they're never

truly gone. That's okay. If that's the route

they want to take, I'm cool with that. It's lazy,

but it's cool. I'll deal with it. Other than

that, I'm looking forward to a lot of the Disney

Plus stuff. I know right now there's a ridiculous

deal where if you buy two years, you get the

third year for free, basically. But not available

in Canada because why not but we still get the

service on november 12 So I don't care i'm looking

forward to the mandalorian a lot Like a serious

launch. Well, it looks like a mature rated show

versus uh Like it looks like they're going they're

going for a more mature audience than they do

with the main series Yeah, exactly. I've always

loved that seedy underbelly I mean we saw a little

bit of of it in empire strikes back They talked

about it a little bit in shadows of the empire

which was like a book series, a comic book, and

a video game. So, I'm cool. That's interesting

to me so far. What about you, Alex? I'm going

with, like, it's almost... I don't know. The

Matrix, I don't see a need to do another one,

other than Keanu is super hot right now. So...

Yeah, maybe as I'm psyched for the Terminator

movie which which by the way like 30 seconds

ago They released a press release that there's

another trailer out for it the final one. There's

a new poster, too Yeah, so I will be watching

that after this Now If we're looking at things

What's the question again things that are coming

out right now or continuing franchises or or

well that was that was a different topic yeah

i was gonna say some topic for this week was

yeah uh it was more so the while this is just

the question of last week was uh looking forward

to like the different geek news coming on okay

yeah yeah so i i think we're getting overloaded

sometimes now with things um i mean it's a nice

change of pace from a lot of the stuff that's

happening in the real world so okay so you're

gonna have to beep that one out hey it's okay

there's one uh yes so other than that i'm i'm

happy with what comes up but it almost seems

like the more we feed ourselves with this information

the faster it comes the more we expect it to

come it's almost like a drug we want more we

need to hear more more more used to be we were

insanely happy when a new batman movie was announced

or when we don't care yeah or it's like oh spider

-man's back or there's another x -men and now

we're like okay like i'm more excited to see

franchises that we haven't tapped uh you know

to death the sony's um like whenever an announcement

from sony comes out about the uh valiant comic

book universe like they got bloodshot coming

out i think in february with ben diesel i like

nothing on that it's but it's got a firm release

date So, I don't know It's probably because everybody's

focusing on spider -man right now Yeah, so but

it's interesting because they people are forgetting

that they don't necessarily Like they need spider

-man but what they're not focusing on the fact

that they have continuously plans in place with

other comic book companies to have their universe

is brought out so It all depends on how it's

handled if it's handled. Well, you know you have

a franchise and an entire comic book brand that

99 % of even the comic book users have a tertiary

knowledge of. So it's like, this isn't like a

case where the X -Men, we got burnt out because

how many more stories can we tell that, you know,

they touched base on all the major stories from

every single, you know, era. And it's like, well,

what can they do now other than reboot it? Well,

they reboot it or try to reboot it and it turns

out to be crap. And nobody cares. And then they

went back to the well again with the Dark Phoenix.

Yeah, which is, you know, which was... hilariously

terrible that infuriated me when I saw in theaters.

Now, again, I got to see it for free because

of a movie theater screw up. So I was it was

it was so infuriating that I wanted my money

back and I saw it for free. So it works. You

know what it was? It was Mutant X, the TV show,

if they made a two hour movie and were thrown

a whole bunch of money for no reason. Oh, that's

horrible. Yeah. In fact, some of the special

effects in there looked about as bad as that

TV show. Probably because Fox knew they were

getting taken over. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's the

same reason why they tanked Stuber. Like all

their releases this summer, Ready or Not, that

just came out, fantastic movie. Stuber, fantastic

movie. Very little press. Disney's just letting

everything that Fox made die that isn't like

Star Wars. Or money. Yeah. Like if it's not something

that's going to make them a billion, They're

not bothering. And it's kind of sad. They're

like, we're not funding this anymore. Send your

crap back to them. Or they're like, hey, sometimes

it can be something petty like, hey, all these

films are produced by people that we didn't hire.

So we're just going to let them fall apart and

then we're going to build up from scratch. Pretty

much. I don't know if you guys noticed this,

when they released the Rise of Skywalker trailer.

And yes, I know how the whole trailer plays out

but there's there's a funny scene at the end

where Kylo and Rey are fighting on like something

in the middle of the ocean or something like

fighting on part of one of the ships or something

on the middle of the ocean and They show Kylo

with his cape and everything. But if you look

at the reflection on the ground, there's no cape

It's an unfinished CGI thing in the in the trailer

you think everybody's noticing it Are they gonna

fix anything? Are you think they're actually

gonna fix it? They'll fix it in the final movie,

but for a trailer who cares. Well, here's the

thing. I've seen this happen before. Well, I

remember I saw a couple days ago Angel has fallen

and there was like a busload of old people in

there with me. Like, and I mean like a busload.

They all came in at once like 30 of them all

like in their 80s or 90s. Like some of them were

in World War II, right? So the trailer for Midway

comes up the movie about World War II and I hear

booze. They're audibly booing the special effects.

And like, it looks bad. Like Pearl Harbor from

20 years ago looked 10 times better. This looked

like a video game CGI from like. Like, you know,

a good place, a good PlayStation 2 game or like

horrible or like, like, you know, those bargain

bin games like was it Il Sturmavik or all those

ones you used to see the PS3 games that you get

for like two bucks that are war simulators. It's

like that. And it's flying. And one old guy behind

me just yells out, I flew planes in Korea. Planes

don't fly like that. And it's like, oh, you didn't

even get that right. And it's that Roland Emmerich,

the guy that does all the disaster movies like

Independence Day, 2012, Day After Tomorrow and

all that. At least Michael Bay works with the

military to get them to look right. But this

looked... bad and i'm like if like 85 and 90

year old people are saying this looks bad it's

bad and and then i you know i mentioned it on

a discord group chat with some people they said

oh they're probably going to fix it in post i'm

like hey before the movie comes out i'm like

why would you even make the trailer if old people

are noticing how bad it is who's this movie for

like if old people say they don't want to relive

them they don't want to relive a time in their

life that they hated so why would they watch

it I mean maybe it's made for maybe you know

American veterans are different than Canadian

veterans in that sense maybe there's more rah

rah rah you know America America yeah like there

might be that but a lot of those people if it's

really realistic they don't want to relive that

that's going to give them flashbacks young people

aren't going to watch it because it looks like

crap it's got good actors in it it's got decent

cinematography but if the special effects look

like they're 25 years old in the trailer who's

going to bother going to see the movie When it's

actually finished, I guess it almost begs to

to mention whether um We're kind of getting on

that like heavy cgi train and like just trying

to pump out the most uh Crap that we can instead

of putting out You know less it kind of goes

back to that that phrase of less is more Yeah,

like having practical effects and then kind of

trying to actually do research instead of just

trying to be the lowest common denominator of

this movie cost, from what I was looking it up,

costs the same amount as Top Gun 2. The new Top

Gun movie looks fantastic. Right? Like again,

it's all about who you hire to do it. You're

hiring somebody who's known for making schlocky

stuff, but you're throwing a hundred million

dollars in there or more. Like this movie, that

midway movie easily costs 150 million. So it's

like, it doesn't make sense. Well, it's, it's

again, it's who they're, they're catering to.

Like, Tom Cruise, say what you will about his

crazy, wacky beliefs, does not make movies unless

he has his hands and fingers in everything. He

won't make something that looks like crap or

sounds like crap or is crap. Pretty much. Like,

I can't even really think of anything he's made

in the last 20 years that was truly terrible.

But then you got people like, you know, Woody

Harrelson... That Mummy movie was pretty bad.

That was bad. But that wasn't his fault. That

was tampering. And you know what? Because he

was fine. But yeah, and it was too dark, but

that's the only misstep I can think of even there

are movies He's made that I wouldn't necessarily

watch or like but they're not poorly constructed

movies. No But yeah, I kind of agree with that

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for you Joe Rogan Yeah Yeah, that would be great

wouldn't it? You know having something that's

like subliminal, you know forces people to listen

or or no forces at minimum 10 % of the listeners

to give feedback to Yeah, that would be awesome.

Yeah, speaking of feedback. I have I have a partial

solution to that one on the next episode. So

I'll let you guys in on it before, but I'll hold

the listeners in suspense because I don't have

it installed yet. So anyways, listener feedback

for last week's episode, Brad mentions that thanks

to Mike's statements about Stranger Things, he's

going to give it another shot, as the premise

sounds good. He says, my issue might be while

a child of the 80s, I didn't see a lot of those

films growing up, so it doesn't resonate. You

know, he says I dislike Transformers Bumblebee,

which actually was awesome. It's the best one.

It is the best one. Even like it actually followed.

My brother saw it and he is a child of the 90s

who never really watched like he was significantly

younger than me. He watched them and just like

objectively he's like this is a better made movie.

It is, it is. Michael Bay may have launched the

series and gotten it to get where it was, but

it definitely needed that evolution. His movies

are technically superior probably, but they never

have the same amount of heart. They didn't have

a heart, but they were popcorn movies. That's

about as far as they go. but yeah he says he's

not really going along with the feel invested

in actors not his own age or similar can't follow

kids storylines anymore or streaming services

i don't know if it's fatigue or just how do they

one expect us to watch everything we want to

watch and to afford that between low you know

netflix and tv uh catch up apps my week of tv

viewing is already longer than i have the time

to commit disney is the one I consider getting

depending on how it works here in Australia solely

because of the back catalog subscription sites

Because we talked about that too. He says my

local newspaper has always been free to view

online the the physical paper costs You know

dollar fifty and whatnot, but they put us now

they put a subscription on it You can only read

the first sentence of the article when you have

to pay two dollars per episode to read and I

hate that People find other ways other websites

will aggregate the information and share it like

there's nothing you can really do about that

Like like they're not gonna make money off that

No, and that's and that's why I refuse to do

any of that kind of crap content because it's

it's it's so like Bait and switch like it's it's

so crap one thing about a cable package nowadays

Like if you want live TV, you're spending 50

bucks when you know what you could do with that

50 bucks You could subscribe to four different

services like you could get Netflix You can go

Netflix in the States, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon,

and Disney and save $10 and have all the content

you could possibly want. Because if you don't

have time to watch it, like if he's saying he

doesn't have time to watch all that stuff, well,

then he doesn't have time to watch it live anyway.

So it won't matter that you're watching it. You

know, it's basically like having a PVR that you

can watch whenever you want. Pretty much. And

if you have Amazon in Canada, at least, I don't

know if they have in the States for like, I think

it's $7 .99. You have a program called Stacks

with it where you, if you're a prime member,

You can get up to 20 channels of live TV anyway

of even like local broadcast stuff from a couple

of the companies So there's packages that you

can do like that to save a lot of money. So don't

have to get like Shutter and and fundimation

you pick out pick and choose the ones you want

like give yourself a $50 budget if that's if

you really want to consume that much or Do what

most people do? Most people, like their family

member will buy Netflix, get the highest tier

one, which is like the $16 or $20 one. And it

allows up to four people to log in at the same

time. And it's supposed to be for family. So

you could share that cost amongst three or four

people and you're only paying five bucks. You

can do that with Amazon Prime does that as well.

So you can have up to two or three people, I

think, all at the exact same time. So if you're

smart about this, for $20 a month, you could

have four or five services that you share amongst

your entire family. Totally. And Scanner51 says,

great episode with me and Dodd. He says, hey

guys, want to say that the last few shows have

been great. Love hearing both Mike and Birdman

on the show. Well, now he's getting another flavor,

because Alex is here, so... Yeah, spicy Alex.

Alex is all spicy, Alex is spicy. As I can hear

Steve making notes for when to do that... I am

making notes. Yeah, that's because he wants to

have like the entire barnyard from old McDonald's

farm. I want to take the throne away from Blanchard.

I want to be the swear word king, you know. I

can hear the notes being taken down. All right.

I'm done now. I don't want to hurt you. I don't

want to hurt anybody. So, he says, I want to

talk about subbing. As I've said in the past,

I sub, I got a few. The ones I pay for out of

my pocket are Google Play Music, WWE, and the

DCU. SiriusXM and Prime are paid for by our main

credit card. I don't feel too fatigued by the

three I have, but then again, it's only three.

And I'm happy to report that neither of those

services sit idle. They're almost always in use.

Right now, the DCU one might be the best bang

for my buck, giving me 20 ,000 available comics

to read. He says my wife is leaning towards getting

the bundle package for disney plus hulu and espn.

We'll see Also think thanks for still answering

emails some podcasts. I listen to have gone to

a patrons only get answers format Oh, that's

stupid. Yeah, that's bs. It's just evil Like

I know I understand like here's the thing if

it's the if you're going to answer questions

only on on For patrons it should be for episodes

that are only available to patrons Pretty much

like if you have bonus content like it's like

ask us questions here and then pay us five dollars

a month is like no no no no that's not how that

works if you have questions regarding content

that is already behind a paywall then you can

do it that way yeah it's yeah i i'm of the same

opinion like i i honestly i hate that um because

i like your show means nothing if you're not

getting feedback Well, and the people that try

to do that like An average podcaster like if

you're starting out you might only have you might

have zero listeners listeners You might have

ten you might have twenty but like it only works

to do that sort of paywall thing when you're

like Any other people the people running those

a lot of the pro wrestling podcasts from former

WWE people they're in the hundred thousand a

week or a hundred and fifty thousand or you hit

like Joe Rogan where he can't answer any stuff

because he's literally got five or six million

downloads a week over the course of nine hours

of podcasting that he does a week so There's

a point where you can get too big to do it or

you can only do it for specific people that do

pay because it's like you'd be inundated with

so many questions you can't answer them. So the

sweet spot would probably be like, it'd be nice

if you had like that 100 ,000 mark of people

listening to you because you could still answer

people's questions then because only 1 % of people

are really going to ask questions anyway. So

if you get 100 questions a week, that might be

too much. And you can usually, you know, you

can find a way to answer that, but like a good

round number would be like, it'd be nice to have

10 or 15 people asking something every week because

you can make an entire program out of that. Exactly

and that's and that's what I like plus the the

back -and -forth like you although they may not

be on the air with you it almost feels that way

when you could have that conversation based on

their feedback and I feel like you lose that

if you start to kind of Stonewall these people

and prevent them from interacting with your show

like just out of You know a money thing, you

know, and I just I don't know it just rubs me

wrong It's not something I would ever do Even

if even if I got bigger that's not something

I would do Yeah, like certain content I feel

should always be free. I don't know. I've got

a I'm not a big fan of patreon right now I mean

I subscribe to maybe three people and It's less

than ten bucks a month. I don't mind that To

me it would be better if you had like what was

that one coffee or something where you can just

give a tip now And then if they like you that's

the sort of thing that's a little better Like

as it is most podcasts, I'm going to say probably

99 % of them out there don't make any money even

off of ads. They're making enough just to break

even. And that's what most people want to do

is it's a hobby. If this is going to be your

business and you're going to make and you really

start making big money with it, you don't need

patrons. If you're at a point where you're getting

paid sponsorships all the time, you don't need

them at all. So the only literally the only reason

for that is pure greed. Yeah. And that's the

thing is like I just I don't I don't agree with

like charging people for things and that's kind

of because like I myself can't afford to support

some of my favorite creators so like it's kind

of I would rather support them and have to hear

like some kind of a dynamic ad insertion or some

you know live read that's on their show rather

than have to fork over money out of my own pocket.

and that's just kind of my own mentality on it,

but I feel like that's the easier way to go where

you're not hurting their pocketbook. Well, and

the other thing too is like there are other ones

out there where I do think that it's a worthy

thing to have, like the other stuff that Mike

and I are involved in with Terrible Warriors,

right? They have patrons, but what that does

is that lets you interact and actually play games

with people too. It's a way to also keep the

server costs running. So you're at a point where

if it's self -sustaining and keeping running,

I understand that if you're not getting ads another

way, or you don't want to place ads in something

because it could be very detrimental to the type

of programming you're doing, right? Like there

are certain shows, especially if you're doing,

like we're on Twig, we will do, you know, commentaries.

We watch along with us on like a movie or something

weird that we do. And when we do that, Those

are ones where we don't want ads to go anywhere

in like dynamic inserted into the the mid rolls

or anything You don't want anything like that

because it can break up the pace of the entire

program so I can I can see where some people

would To avoid that might go with like a patron

type system, but then you could do almost like

a You know have have all your regular content

for free and then do like, you know, your commentaries

is like one of those. Yeah, very true. Add on

or have it as like something that you because

I mean, it's really a commentary. You're not

recording the actual audio of the program. Technically,

you can even have it as a digital download. If

you're if you're asking money for every single

time you you go out in the show, like if you're

like I'm somebody who were like, I like Twitch

and everything, but. Your twitch and mixer and

things like that. They're only a couple steps

away from basically being a cam girl or cam guy

Where you're you're you're begging for money

And in the way, I love how they all like so like

fakely and enthusiastically. Oh, thank you so

much when they get donated money. And it's like,

really? If I'm going in five bucks, that girl

better be doing something or that guy better

be doing something than I ask. I mean, it's just

and it's ridiculous. Like, I don't know. It's

something about it just makes just like when

I see those people act like fools like that.

Yeah. If you're if you're being genuine about

it and just being like, oh, thanks so much, man.

or thanks so much. That's one thing, but it's

when you go way over the top with it because

what you're doing then is you're trying, you're

manipulating people that, especially when it's

people that pay all the time, you're playing

with people's minds. You're trying to prop them

up to make them sound like they did something

really good by giving you money. And at that

point, you're not much better than a TV preacher

if you're just there just to scam people out

of money. Mm -hmm. But then again, it's the person's

choice. If they're genuinely entertained and

they want to continue to contribute, which, again,

that's perfectly fine, but it's the same thing

with, like, loot boxes and games. There's a point

where, at what point is it an addiction you're

feeding? If somebody's habitually giving you

their entire paycheck because they think they

have a relationship with you or something. Yeah.

Then that's a problem. Didn't you see the thing

recently that that loot crate or whatever it

is was was filed bankruptcy Yeah, they filed

chapter 11 bankruptcy a couple of weeks ago and

they owe 20 million dollar or they have to ship

20 million dollars worth of material out They

owe six million dollars in back taxes and they

owe some more money all over the place Even their

credit card processor pulled out because they

were afraid they would get hit with charge and

they don't do that until like six months out

So they were tanking and didn't say anything

to anybody Yeah, like something is wrong. I mean

we had a service up here in Canada called nerd

block and they went under Under similar ways.

They were owing people money all over the place.

They didn't they weren't shipping crates Didn't

that happen to like gamer grub too? Uh, no, I

think they just simply just took their ball and

went home I don't know anything more about that

particular situation but I think that a lot of

that has to do with the fact that one they were

one they were Trying to sell this like cheap

package subscription service, which obviously

was not paying off of them But it was diminishing

returns in the beginning. It was cool. Here's

a t -shirt. Here's a toy Here's some cool shots

keys. You can't get it anywhere else. Here's

a button Well, then they started bundling a bunch

of extra crap in it that just nobody cared about

it was just garbage like stuff that yeah Like

honestly if I was gonna subscribe to it I would

be offended to get half the items that were in

there other than like maybe the t -shirt the

one comic and then Those reversible hats and

stuff. They showed up at our Dollar Tree here

for a dollar 25 Canadian and They were not good

quality. They're kind of cool to have but the

other thing to consider is anybody that was an

international buyer got raped on the fees. Like

it was 20 bucks. It would be $40 to ship it U

.S. So that $20 box per month ends up being $80

Canadian. I did it once when the Ghostbusters

2016 movie came out and the box was 50 bucks.

I paid $30 in shipping. The only thing I have

left from that box is I have the replica proton

pack and I have the Ghostbusters rug. That's

it. And the thing is, and that's not including

if you get hit with custom fees and that's just

Canada. There are people in England and Australia

that were trying to buy them and that's like

five times the price. So they said that they

were worldwide shipper. oh yeah let's ship worldwide

you know and at that point like i'm not paying

that kind of money for a t -shirt uh it just

doesn't make any sense like especially for the

crap that they were peddling near the end yeah

it's i don't know i just something something

about like those boxes just i i never really

got into them and so they they didn't really

resonate so it was kind of just funny to me that

Seeing that all of a sudden. Oh, they're they're

getting bankruptcy like it's not fun for the

people losing their jobs or for the people that

got You know are having to wait on these items

that they they paid for but I never saw those

boxes lasting long Well, it's weird how many

different services and ones popped up in their

wake I mean there were some health food ones,

which are pretty cool. There's like there's like

ones that are different candies from around the

world Yeah, the ones that ones the ones that

will survive are the ones that are to a very

specific audience The wrestling one might go

because there's those fans are rabid All of the

ones where it's like Japanese candies and stuff

will go because food lasts like it just goes

better for that kind of service the nature box

will be there, like Harry's or our Dollar Shave

Club Bark Box. There's certain ones that will

survive because people don't want to have to

go buy those things. Like with the shaving ones,

you're saving a trip to the grocery store or

to the pharmacy. So, and they're cheaper. So

like, I understand those and those fit in an

envelope that just go in your regular mail and

they're like under 10 bucks. So that makes perfect

sense. And I think in Canada, you only pay $2

for shipping on some of those. So that makes

sense. even look at like Humble Bundle. Humble

Bundle was fantastic the first two years. Every

single bundle came with a t -shirt at the highest

tier for 30 bucks worldwide shipping for free.

I got some pretty neat Sonic the Hedgehog t -shirts

and different things that are there that you

can't get anywhere else. I even got, they had

a bundle. The last good one was I think saving

the gorillas in the rainforest for Jane Goodall.

And you actually, for paying the 30 or $40, you

got it showed you that you had paid for all the

inoculations and food for an entire year for

a gorilla and you got a picture of the individual

gorilla that you saved and a little stuffed animal

with it and a card you know with a you know a

little note on you know thanking you for everything

that's cool now it's all crap ever since they

were bought by IGN it's like six bundles a week

or every other week and they're all garbage like

it's all stupid software you don't get anything

physical anymore And so what's the point? The

last good one I had from Humble Bundle is where

you got the old World of Darkness source books.

I think you got a ridiculous amount. Yeah, OK,

sorry. I did get the D &D ones. I still buy those

occasionally because they're cheaper than going

through drive -through RPG. So you can get those.

But other than that, I'm not spending $30 for

digital copies of books. Or or games like and

they run the same bundles over and over again

with like a couple different games It's like

it's not the same and they wonder why people

aren't buying it as much because you're not giving

away anything good It's the same thing that happened

with loot crate. It's the same thing that happened

with any other subscription service when they

get lazy They wonder why they're not selling

Yeah, I remember with loot crate they kept pushing

in this month's halo reach like that game came

out like 2010 or they'd push the like other game

bundles and it was so weird like they never seemed

topical like it's never like hey here's a Borderlands

one or hey here's a Power Rangers one it was

always just really weird random license properties

or they give you like those really stupid Mighty

Mug figure type things or whatever they could

liquidate from somebody who couldn't sell stuff

last year pretty much It's it was all garbage

either way. Like I just I couldn't stand it So

that's why I never subscribed to any of them

at 20 bucks. Okay, but at 40 you're asking a

lot Not to mention 40. It's 40 us again for anybody

up here. It was never gonna be worth it Like

I think even right now Amazon is doing two more

smugglers bounties, which is a Star Wars loot

box and then they're thrown in the towel Yeah,

I can definitely see that That that kind of going

away anyway So I think we'll move on to the last

topic and I'm gonna skip some of the other ones

just for time I know it's late for you guys.

Are we skipping the The laser beak one because

that looks really cool. No that that one we're

gonna do because that one's that one's funny

then we're gonna go to the Star Trek conversation,

but No, Michael Wilson, who's been on a lot of

the GeekCast radio programs, he says, I have

no idea what this is, but I'm pretty sure I spotted

Laserbeak on top of this gas station. And then

he takes a picture, and then there's a closer

picture, and it looks like Laserbeak. It looks

like it's a ventilation system with a hatch open

and some other air conditioner, and it's 100

% Laserbeak. I would be terrified. It's a Decepticon.

I'm just like, they're spying us. Yeah, like

I'm just waiting for like the music. Because

Laserbeak sees all. Yes, Laserbeak does. Unlike

some of my other warriors, you never fail. Oh,

God, we can go for the next 70 minutes if you

want reciting every single line. We can even

give stage directions or if you really want.

Unlike some of my other warriors, you never fail

me. Yeah. Frank Walker's awesome. I mean the

next line would be to go into Starscream, but

I don't think we want to wreck our voices like

that. Yeah, I don't want to do that this way

there's too many people sleeping in my house

too many people sleeping in my apartment building

Yeah, you'll make this you'll make the voice

and then we'll hear in the background. We'll

hear your wife Just you're done where you're

doing. What are you doing? You're scaring the

children You're not playing with your friends

anymore. Go to bed. You're your friend privileges

have Discontinued good day and you're sleeping

on the couch No fizzy lifting drink for you.

You lose. You lose. All right, so. I love how

your wife is not Willy Wonka. I was actually,

in my mind, I was picturing the guy that runs

the door in The Wizard of Oz with the curly mustache

just happened to be your wife instead. She doesn't

have a mustache, so. I know, but I mean, she

could, she could, you could. Give her one, I

guess. Make it out of... Anyway. Yes, that's

where the conversation is going at 12 .40 in

the morning, our time. Yes, it's 10 .40 my time,

so I'm still very coherent. So anyways, the new

track. There's possibilities of a new Star Trek

with Pike's Enterprise, which would you guys

be up for that? Yes. Let's get through what we

got on our plate. Now, Mike, have you caught

up yet? I'm on episode 10 of Discovery. Season

two, episode 10. I still have a few more episodes.

The last two episodes might be the most impressive

special effects I've seen for television ever.

It's it is for a space battle like we're talking

Game of Thrones level if Game of Thrones is in

space Yeah, there there's like there's purging

of characters. There's explosions There's yeah

things you would not expect back like ten years

ago when Battlestar Galactico had their final

battles You're like what like the CG wasn't the

best but you're like, wow, there's like a hundred

things on screen at once There's like ten thousand

things happening at once in this place. There's

There's there's the little Starfleet pods and

then all the section 31 like pods all battling

little drones like it's a little drones and it's

it's crazy, you know in Star Wars Episode 3 the

very beginning where they have the big space

battle Mm -hmm is like that only even more stuff

going on. Oh It's it's crazy. Honestly, like

it is. The nice thing is is you actually get

to use Pike's Enterprise in Star Trek online

with those features with those drones. Oh, and

you get to send like 18 of them out. Now, granted,

you have to you have to get one of their little

infinity boxes to unlock it to get it. OK, well,

I mean, that sounds cool. Yeah. So but it's you

can you can get that or you can get the old Constitution

class or you can get I mean, granted, this one

looks just like, you know, the one off the episode.

Now Mike Mike still has to catch up on the orville.

I believe I don't think he's seen a single episode

Maybe the first one I've seen like the first

okay It's better to this last especially the

second season the second season. There's you

know, the two -parter with the space battles

That is fantastic. And again, I thought that

was the best -looking thing I'd seen until I

saw you know the discovery episode Well, the

thing about the orville is it's like TNG. It's

like watching a really up -to -date tng well

like and yeah it has the same even the same camera

angles the well they did that on purpose yeah

he wanted to replicate the next generation and

so they took that vantage point within so that's

why discovery is more cinematic and that one's

more best way to describe it for mike there is

uh okay mike you know first contact Yes, you

know the battle the very beginning of first contact.

Yeah the battle sector zero one. Okay replicate

the amount of ships on screen by about 10 10

to 15 and make it Make it the Cybermen from Doctor

Who Cool, and that's what you that's what you

get so like and as you go on the comedy it gets

toned down from being like family guy ish and

it becomes more subtle and funny like there are

parts that I was like I'm laugh out loud laughing

at parts of it without it being, you know, hitting

me over the head with it. And then at the same

time, they explore a lot of the same social issues,

like not the same as TNG, but a logical progression

of what TNG would be if they made TNG today.

So transgenderism, certain things, religion,

and it follows a parallel to what's going on

into society now. Media? Yeah. The voting and

social media. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's exactly

like there's don't vote. You did something evil.

We hate you Yeah, and if you're downvoted to

a certain point your popularity goes down. You

just get killed Yeah, well, they don't kill you.

They know you bottomize you. Yes, exactly I mean

and and uh to the more up votes you have they

equate being popular to being a good person It's

it's crazy. It's such a social commentary that

it's it's actually like really really intelligent

how it's written and I'm glad that they didn't

cancel it even though they had to move it to

another Streaming service, but still they moved

it to Hulu, which is actually hopefully gonna

be better for it Which it's probably Disney's

way of saying we're not canceling it But yeah,

it looks like the Fox properties are basically

going to be on Hulu and then all the Disney properties

and ABC properties are gonna be on Disney Pretty

much. Yeah, and I wonder what that's gonna do

the last man standing to be honest because he

got cancelled from Disney's ABC and then they

can and then they get to Fox and they're like

They're gonna look at and go ha give it to MGM

they need something Yeah, pretty much So anyways,

yeah, if once you get caught up you'll kind of

agree that you know, they're they're pretty much

open for The characters of Pike number one and

spot coming back and doing like adventures of

that enterprise. They are gonna do three Of those

short the tracks short tracks, which are they

were fantastic the last ones These are gonna

be better because they're gonna feature on Pike's

enterprise Okay, of them Who I didn't like at

the beginning he's grown on me he's not gonna

ever be my Spock, but he's a good Spock He will

they actually made him like you get to actually

see him with clean shaven face like the the end

and that's I mean I'm not gonna I'm not spoiling

anything because obviously he does shave at some

point but And he does fairly decently look and

it will resemble like early, you know Nemoy,

although I did see a deep fake of of me moist

face planted over top of Ethan Peck's version

of Spock so that, you know, they changed the

face with AI to make it look like Leonard Nimoy

was still acting on the show. And Anson Mount

is like the best Christopher Pike we're ever

going to get. Oh yeah, hands down. He has that

charisma of the character and plays it really

well. And he's the right age. I thought he was

younger than he is, but no, he's actually age

appropriate for that character too. And he shows

more in his face and what he's thinking than

I think most Trek captains have ever done. Yeah,

because Picard's always had kind of the, you

know... Like I'm annoyed with you face. Yes,

this goes always have the like I'm ready for

a fight face Janeway's always been like I could

care less like Janeway's always been like I'm

impressed with my own voice face Like she sounds

like she's very impressed with herself And then

Kirk was all about ready to party Yeah Kirk was

like I'm ready to party but Kirk is whatever

emotion that this Christopher Pike is showing

it in his eyes and face Kirk shows outwardly

Yeah, to pantomime it to the extreme. It's basically

everything that you see the emotions that you

see Shatner go through are all done in his face

Pretty much. Yeah, it's it's truly in a testament

to to his acting ability and being able to play

this character and Be a polar opposite of what

Lorca was in the show and he goes from being

a star of a Western show to a space Western show

Because that hell on wheels. He was great in

that I didn't think he would make the transition

but Like, he's... Well, he was in The Inhumans

too. Oh, that's right. And he was terrible in

that. Yeah, he's the main guy. He doesn't speak

a word in the entire thing. Oh, he plays Black

Bolt. Okay. Yeah. The show was terrible. I was

like, how's this gonna play out? But then they

put him in here and he's great. Yeah, like immediately.

There was no adjusting to him. He was just great

immediately. Even when he gets like, you know,

like the flash forwards to his fate sort of thing.

Because we all know what happens to... Christopher

Pike that episode was super emotional when he

and you can see it on us again You see it on

his face and he's like What do I do and then

but then you see him compose himself and he's

like I do what I have to And he's like it doesn't

matter I can't tell anybody because that would

alter things and screw things up I am going to

have to make my fate as I go along yeah, and

then and yeah, I love the line he has at the

end and Of the season though, but I'm not gonna

spoil that for Don Yeah, Mike, if you catch up

in the next, you know, week or two, catch up

before the show airs, obviously, but like, I

think you'll be pretty impressed. You'll probably

want to binge the last three or four episodes

because you're two thirds of the way through.

Yeah, it gets really good. The last two episodes,

especially. OK, those are those are like what

sold me on discovery, although the unfortunate

part is what happens at the end. So then, yeah,

we'll see what happens. Yeah. So anyways, let's

move on to the other show. Truck Picard. Your

thoughts on the news that's been out so far in

the speculation Please don't screw this up when

the announcement was made and they showed the

trailer. I had the most uncomfortably awesome

erection It was like nerd boner to the max like

I could not believe Just like and seeing the

trailer I was like, oh I thought it was gonna

be something where he's just basically sitting

in an office the entire time like nothing was

happening It looks like an action show but at

the same time they're pulling in like they're

people analyzing every single frame of that that

trailer and I think they're gonna figure it out

I think I think they're throwing people off along

with it but at the same time like it almost looks

like he's becoming like a marquee leader um well

I got you know what I got from it the vibe they're

they're basically duping Star Trek Renegades

just like um Discovery did to um the battle of

Axanar okay And also Discovery copied that with

the text adventure game that they're being sued

over? Yeah, they basically mixed an adventure

game with the Battle of Axanar and that's how

they got Discovery and now they're trying to

change things up. If you really want to impress

me, show me a trailer that shows Klingons and

depending on what their makeup is will depend

on how much nerd rage happens over it. Pretty

much. Yeah, cuz I still hate the discovery Klingon.

Yes. It's the worst part like it's it's if I

if they made them normal I think the rest of

it would make sense It would that's that's the

thing that that's the one hang up. I still have

over it I still not a fan of people swearing

on Star Trek because they did it in the movies

Well, they did it in the movies saying damn it

they didn't episode. No, they didn't say that

but they said everything else And sorry, you're

gonna have to beat me there again. At the same

time, it's odd who's saying it and why they're

saying it. It feels like they're saying swear

words for the sake of saying it because they

can, not because it makes sense to say it. The

only time I've seen it make sense is where the

engineer, I can't remember his name. Stamets.

Stamets is talking to Tilly, and she's like,

that's fucking stupid. He's like, it is. That

made sense to me. No, no. To me, that one felt

like one of the most odd lines of dialogue. These

are military people on a military vessel, and

you can speak, you can have a mouth like a sailor,

but you don't have that to your superior officer

when you're on duty. Like there's a lot of this

that breaks protocol, and I know it's trying

to be progressive and everything, but it just

didn't jive with me a lot. I loved the new aliens

they've introduced and a lot of the cybernetics

involved. A lot of the makeup effects are fantastic.

But at the same time, it's another case of the

characters behave more Star Trek -y in the Orville.

And I mean, it's obvious, like, Bortus is Klingon.

And they have those same sorts of characters.

Yeah, yeah. But they change just enough to make

it fun and interesting. Like, Bortus, his species,

can basically eat anything. So there's that skit

in like the first few episodes where they're

just like, okay, can you eat this plate? Yeah.

Can you eat this broken glass? Yeah. And like,

or I'm going to go get a bag of broken or bag

of nails. See what happens. Like they'll throw

that sort of stuff in there. This there's, there's

not really enough shown about their personal.

Yeah. With the exception of, um, well, the only

episode they did, that was the, the time loop

with Harry mud. Yeah. Yeah. yeah and like the

only the only characters that are like the only

alien that's getting any real well there's two

i don't know what episode mike's on but the yeah

saru gets a lot of time which is great um and

the other one uh mike's episode 10 i can't remember

if that uh the cyborg uh the uh her episode was

cool yes where they show her history like her

her memory and how she has to dump her memory

every day basically to To just a refresher memory.

Yeah, like that was an interesting episode and

that but other than that like they've had 30

episodes so far and They've not really focused

on it's been so Serialized well, you get a decent

amount on pike too, which was good. Yeah, but

again, he's not an alien So they're they're not

I would like a track to come back similar to

like a like they're they're a little too serialized

here whereas I felt like Stargate back in the

day got it right, where you had an underlying

plot that was happening, a main plot that would

go for an entire story arc for a season, but

most of the episodes were individualistic, very

similar to what TNG was doing. TNG did even more

episodic. Well, but if you look at DS9 or Voyager,

they had an overarching, like, plot, but they

still were individual. Yeah, they still were

individual. The problem with Discovery is you

cannot watch a single episode out of order. No,

you really can't know you can't and you can't

wait too long between them Otherwise you'll forget

what happened and yet with that with the Orville

you can watch 90 % of them out of order and still

have fun. Yep Unless it's a two -parter. Yeah,

unless it's a two -parter or you know anything

involving Was it the krill or where they call

them again? I'm probably here Yeah, and they

seem to leave them alone for like they come in

like the beginning of a season the middle of

a season the end of a season but then Yeah, but

the rest of the episodes in between are great

and they do callbacks to season one in season

two like it's smart I just feel like discovery

if you're not hooked in the first episode or

two. You can't watch the rest of the show So

they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot.

The Picard one's gonna be limited. So It's one

story, which is great. But I think they need

to do another check where they're exploring Well,

they're going to do more seasons of Picard, which

I don't know how they're going to drag that out,

but I know they're going to do 10 episodes. Well,

my question is, whatever happened to just making

another Star Trek, what's it about exploring?

Like, they finally got Enterprise right in season

four, corrected all the things they had, canceled

it, and then we've had nothing like that. The

only thing keeping that sort of style of story

going was the Stargate franchise, because...

It's the expands all these other shows that have

come out since they always focus on like two

or three locations And that's it. There hasn't

been a true exploration space opera in since

like since I guess Stargate Ended what almost

ten years ago now? Yeah, and the the funny thing

is is that With you know with the card I feel

like We're gonna be getting a lot of randomness

with it in the sense that like we know Picard's

like supposed to be disgruntled He's you know

He left Starfleet because of something that happened

and had to do with the Romulans then you know

They're featuring the Borg and they're they're

gonna have you know seven of nine and Hugh and

he's still like You know hurt over what happened

with data all those years ago But they say that

be nine is supposed to be your before I call

him be nine because that's what he was in the

original script The the the novel he's they call

him before and nemesis. So that was stupid No,

I'm before no, it should be be nine because he

was yeah, you've been where instead of he's he

was the before model from before yeah, which

just just lazy writing in my opinion, but But

yeah, so they they get to His you know, they

say that he's the one that's tore apart in that

cabinet in the trailer and Yet by the end of

the trailer they show data talking to Picard.

That's probably all in his head and I'm there's

there's a couple different Methodologies, I think

are going on with that. I think either a Picard's

hallucinating B it's a holodeck represent, you

know replay like Picard's playing with a virtual

data on the holodeck see they actually do rebuild

him and part of data's personality comes out

during certain situations on the force you know

core you know shell or I got one data's or data

is transferred to a hologram much like holographic

doctor I got one for him he is limited or his

consciousness has been partially transferred

into Picard because Picard has remnants from

his assimilation So they're sharing a mind That

would be interesting actually Didn't think of

that one that one's that one's good. Yeah, I

like when I come up with something actually interesting

That's that's different. I haven't I haven't

heard that one anywhere So that's that's great

because he mean he's still in first contact could

hear the whispers Yep, so what's to say that

he couldn't you know in his obsession to try

to get him to work? Have some sort of connection

to him I mean it would be similar to Search for

Spock where bones after the mind melt had a residual

Echo, right? Like it could be something like

that Yeah, I could definitely see that that playing

out in the course of the show and I know we're

gonna see Ryker and Troy show up They're supposed

to be retired from Starfleet, which I think grandpa

and grandma You know, I would be happy with if

they ever actually got their show the Titan one

off the ground It would have been great But I

know that Michael Dorn wants a wharf show something

terrible and he already wrote like a pilot for

it like ten years ago Yeah, there were you know

what actually one of the times I did I I Think

if we go back in the archives like ten years

ago nearly I think I gave a voicemail in to talk

about that with you guys. That sounds about right.

It sounds about right. Where, yeah, I was talking

about how there apparently was a Netflix plan

in place and then CBS pulled the plug. It was

going to be, I think it was four TV movies, which

would have been about eight episodes. Yeah, it

would have been great to have him involved even

back then, but I guess now he's managed to get

the doors open again because There it would fit

nicely with the way the picard series is going

Well, especially if they do if that is an exploration

if they make his the exploration movie for whatever

reason They could do them, you know release a

movie every three months And do tell your story

that way so you get a you you could use this

stuff to tell stories between seasons of other

shows Yeah, and and I think that that would help

I think that that would be really cool. I'd love

to see a wharf show I'm really excited for the

Picard show. When's Picard coming? Because as

it is now, we're having full years between, and

not like TV seasons where you're off for two

or three months, because these are shorter seasons,

we're having almost a whole year between different

shows, which is almost too long. People are going

to have their interest wane. Let me see when

Trek Picard is supposed to come out. I think

it's mid 2020. That's insane. It should have

been out in the fall. Because we got to wait

what till January again for another coming discovery

2020 so it's gonna be probably out in January

February 2020 are they gonna do you think they're

gonna piggyback off of it like have the last

episode of Discovery and then right after that

air the first episode of card I'm thinking because

that that would be smart because then they would

stop people from dropping off the service and

they're gonna release a weekly because as it

is in Canada I think in the States, CBSL Access

airs it at 9 p .m. It airs at 8 p .m. Eastern

on our cable channel here. So that's why, you

know, a lot of times you'll see people on the

forums talking about what happened in the episode

already before it airs in the States, because

we get it first, because I think they put in

production money for it. So that would actually

be perfect because they could air it at 8 p .m.,

at 9 p .m. you air Picard, and then at 10 p .m.

they air like After Trek. You know talking about

what happened see I honestly don't care about

the the talking track or any of that Yeah, no,

no, but I don't but I mean thinking about timeline

wise it would kind of make sense to do something

like that Yeah to have them. Yep, like if they

really wanted to they should release them in

tandem back -to -back and you could you could

own two hours of television and You could get

people to come in that wouldn't necessarily watch

discovery regularly because they're disgruntled

or they're more interested in seeing what happened

to TNG. But you might get people that subscribe

like, hey, wait, I have a one -hour block every

Sunday or Monday or two -hour block where I can

watch Trek. That'll harken back to the days when

sci -fi used to have their three -hour blocks

of Stargate, Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar

Galactica. That was the three -hour power hours

on Friday nights. And they basically destroyed

every other channel's Friday night programming

even on regular TV. But then again, that's when

people used to actually watch like like five

million people would actually watch a cable channel

Pretty much Yeah, I'm I'm excited to see what

they do with it I'm not a fan of the whole having

to you know pay weekly to watch it No, and that's

me for here. We don't have to like if you got

a basic cable package You can watch it as is

because CBS all access does not have any Star

Trek content in Canada at all That's ridiculous.

Because another streaming network has the rights.

So I think it's only $4 .99 for CBS All Access

up here because it has basically nothing on it.

Yeah, there's nothing on it. You want to know

something really funny with Star Trek here in

the States? We've got it on three different services.

We've got it on. You can watch every series on

Hulu. You can watch every series on Netflix and

you can watch every series on CBS. I believe

all the series are on is it either Crave or Amazon

and the movies I think are all on Netflix or

one of the two. They're back and forth that way.

Yeah, we don't have work. We have selective movies

on certain services like so some of them will

randomly be available. But yeah, Netflix Canada

has all the series. None of the movies and Crave,

I think, has the movies and most of the series,

including Discovery. So CBS All Access has you

can have limited commercials for $5 .99 a month,

or you can download videos and play offline with

commercial free for $9 .99 a month. Oh, see,

ours is, I think, four bucks American and it's

no commercials. But all their stuff here is this

is what pisses me off the most their technology

is ten years old Even though they launched just

a year ago or whatever. It's well their service

is horrible because I signed up for it when discovery

came out It's 720p low bit rate and stereo only

so if you go on to all the All the websites that

may happen to have copies of the episode they

all use the Canadian copy from from space because

it's it's aired at 1080i or 1080p with surround

sound or if you wait a week they show up on netflix

and you can use you can use like a vpn to watch

the the uk netflix feed because that's what it

there it airs at it airs there in 4k which isn't

even available on video here it's like what what

doesn't make any sense the country of origin

has the lowest quality copy Yeah, love contract

and that's that's the same with Hulu Hulu is

only stereo which pisses me off like we're in

a day and age now where it takes up no more data

to have a surround soundtrack and Anybody paying

for these services that's watching at home has

a decent surround sound set really especially

sci -fi fans so Unless you have Amazon Like I

think and craves only in stereo as well. So like

up here. It's basically Amazon Netflix And then

Disney are they gonna be the only ones that have

surround sound and HDR and all that fancy stuff?

Doesn't surprise me But granted the states we

also have really crappy internet connections

depending on where you're at It's the same here.

Like I would say the average high -speed internet

package here is between 50 and 100 Meg Yeah,

ours usually start at like 5 to like 25 for the

little packages. Well DSL is 5 to like 15 here

But the vast majority of people in any major

city, even smaller cities have cable that has

at least 35 meg. And there's usually an option

for a data cap of like a hundred gigs, or you

pay an extra five bucks and have unlimited data.

Hmm. Like I've, I dot has 500 meg service and

I've got gigabit. Well, see the next thing is,

is my area where I live. Um, I have Comcast right

now and I have the 50 megabit service, which

I think are 60. but anyways next year when my

contract hello 2004 they want their internet

back yeah i know well i was getting 25 back in

michigan but that's because the expense and what

is so what is the cost like they they charge

you it's almost 100 bucks for the for the 60

oh i i pay 70 and it's like yeah it's like 49

79 for a thousand thousand down 50 up unlimited

You wanna know what's funny, they're putting

in gigabit internet service provided by the city

in Colorado. A lot of cities in Colorado put

in their own internet services. Probably because

they consider it a utility. So the price never

fluctuates It's always the same price, but you're

gonna get I think they say gigabit internet with

Equal upload and downloads. Yeah, there's actually

a few cities more north of here Mike listable

has Eastman I think is the cable company there.

It's it's gigabit up gigabit down And I think

it's 120 bucks Like a gig of it up like I because

they just they have the pipeline there But like

it's funny here like I'm just thinking my upload

speed is faster than your download speed Steve

Like it's like I tell you what's really funny

it's my upload is like six oh What I what I love

is when let's say it's like oh man Windows is

gonna take forever to update through the Windows

update. I'll go and get the manual like I need

to make an immediate creation tool so I can use

my key and you got to download that like seven

gig file I'll click on it and I'll go to the

bathroom come back and it finished in 35 seconds

and it's like four or five gigs It's so worth

paying for it Yeah, see I'm like I said I'm looking

forward to having the the better internet service

once that that comes out Basically, I got it.

I could have gotten away with like 250 meg for

the amount of streaming we do, but like it's

for streaming everything because we don't have

cable. Everything we watch is through streaming

services. So you can have two or three TVs on

and not have it hinder anything. But the big

thing is for us, when we do a lot of stuff for

Twig and podcasting, we share a lot of fairly

large files. We're dealing in like gigabyte files

and just doing file sharing between and work

sharing, it's so much better having this kind

of speed. Even uploading it at 50 megs will still

take a while. But it's like, you know, Birdman

would be like, hey, Alex, I got a review ready

for your show. OK, I'll click to download and

it's done like immediately. That's so nice. That

must have made it much easier when you were making

backup copies of the server. Oh, the server?

I got 86 gigs in 40 minutes, and it was only

because a lot of them were very small files.

So they take a little while to transfer. Because

it's funny, large files transfer faster for sustained

rates and everything. It was like, yeah, I was

like, oh, I'm going to download a backup of the

server. And I read the actual web service said,

oh, it can be prepared to take several hours,

right? And I'm like, OK, so I'll let it go overnight.

I got up and went to make a sandwich. And I was

like, oh, it's done. I was like, wait a minute.

I just downloaded more data than my entire school

had in high school. grade nine when the hard

drives almost every hard drive at the school

was like two gigs nice it's like i just downloaded

the entire school boards like worth of computers

in 40 minutes nice so i think we're gonna we're

gonna call it quits uh just because it's getting

a little long and it's getting a little late

um Hope everybody's had a good time on this conversation

and we'll continue next time with the talks about

The the franchises the universes the trilogies

all the Pretty extensive thoughts on that. Yes

as do I and I think that there's no That'll lend

to an entire episode all on its own. So expect

that next episode, other than if we get feedback.

So that'll be pretty much very heavy episode

on that. So yeah, how can the people get ahold

of you on the internets? If you want to get a

hold of me the most reliable ways to find me

on Twitter, which is at Birdman dot I'm almost

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this week in geek net. I tend to reply to everybody

unless you're a douchebag And yeah, and then

we and then we'll just make fun of you secretly

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Spicy Alex. Spicy Alex, so... You know, I'm laughing,

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put another one in. But again, I'm going to beat

the world record holder, right? Like... You beat

that a long time ago. You did? During your tirade.

Oh, OK. Well, then I'm king. You've repeated

the words. Yes. So yes, you are king. So I'm

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