Bow’s Farewell, The Price of Freedom, Play It Again Bow

Hello folks TF Joe and Mike here from the geek

cast or in our again powers of grayskull series

What you're about to hear is episode 56 of the

myths of aetheria I just want to include this

little note beforehand because in the plate again

bow plot section of the episode Something happened.

I don't know. I did the best I could on the editing

It's a lot worse than what you actually hear,

but you're gonna hear like a little background

splice kind of noise I guess I did noise reduction,

I did all that stuff. Actually, when I originally

saw the file after it was recorded, the clicking

and it wasn't mouse clicks, it was some audio

feedback thing, I don't know. I removed as much

of it as I could, but I still noticed that there

was a little bit of some unknown noise that I

can't, I've... tried everything on it so i just

want to let everyone know i do not think that

is going to happen for the rest of the episode

but just in the beginning of bo's farewell in

the plot section you're going to hear a little

bit of a background noise sorry about that may

the power oh god i was going to say may the power

protect you this is not the power rangers show

by the power and for the honor of greyskull keep

on listening to powers of greyskull myths of

aetheria fifty six and defender of the Crystal

Castle. This is Spirit, my beloved steed. Fabulous

secrets were revealed to me the day I held aloft

my sword and said, For the honor of Grayskull!

Among them are Light Hope, Madame Raz, and Kaol.

Together, we and my friends of the Great Rebellion

strive to free Issyria from the evil forces of

Horda! Hello, this is Optimus Solo and welcome

to the 56th chapter in our Powers of Greyskull

series with me once again. for this journey into

the Masters of the Universe franchise is TFG1

Mike. Hello. Hello. And are you ready, sir, for

more Miss of Etheria? Yup. You sound excited

as I am. In this episode of Miss of Etheria,

we'll be giving you our thoughts on episode 28,

Bo's Farewell, episode 29, The Price of Freedom,

and episode 30, Play It Again, Bo. So we hope

you're ready, because it's time to go back to

Etheria. Adam said she saw Bo in Twiget Village.

But there he is. Bo was warned that horde patrols

are in the area. I guess I'll have to give him

a little talking to. Okay now, let's try it together.

Not bad, but let me show... Adora, what are you

doing here? The question is, what are you doing

here? I'm giving a music lesson. Don't you realize

that horde patrols are everywhere? If they find

you with the Twiggets... They'd never recognize

me. Don't be so sure. After the way you fought

at Bright Moon, you may be better known than

you think. All right, Spunky. I guess the lesson

is over. But you said you'd show me a magic trick

when we finished. So I did. But I'll do better

than that. I'll show you some magic that isn't

a trick. Watch closely. I'm going to break that

glass without touching it. I'll believe it when

I see it now watch the glass funky It really

isn't a trick you see everything has a certain

frequency that makes it vibrate if it's loud

enough and long enough It's kind of technical

but it's what makes us sound higher or lower.

Maybe we've got time for one more. No! Fun's

over! Now let's leave before... Uh -oh! Too late!

A horde patrol! We'd better separate. Head for

Whispering Woods! I'll meet you back at camp.

Alright, starting off today's episode 28, Bo's

Farewell, the episode that sounds too good to

be true. Airdate Tuesday, October 15th, 1985,

written by Don Heckman. Bo is recognized while

visiting a Twigget village and has to take a

holiday from the rebellion. But on the way he

finds Catra using Twigget slaves and aiming an

Eclipsebeam at Castle Brightmoon. We have Catra

and then we got She -Ra -Bo, Queen, Kaol, Swiftwind,

and Spunky, a new Twigget, and King Sprite. So,

alright. What are your thoughts about Bo's banishment?

King Sprite and Queen Sp... What the hell was

the Queen's name? It was a king and a queen.

I don't know. So in, you know, I've said this

every episode, the last four and a half, however

long we've been doing this years. Normally I

don't pay attention to the writing as far as

who the writer is half the time, like when I'm

actually watching the cartoons, like when it

comes up on the screen. Because of who writes

the next episode we'll talk about I actually

had to go back and look at what Don Heckman has

done Because I'm going to be comparing this writer

and the writer of the next episode to each other

And Don Heckman has written stuff for the 78

79 Godzilla TV series Jason of Star Command he

wrote three episodes of He -Man, No Job Too Small,

Beauty and the Beast, and To Save the Creatures.

So his writing, I know we both hate the Beauty

and the Beast episode of He -Man, so that's not

exactly reassuring, but for She -Ra, he's got

this episode, and he's got eight others that

are, I assume, coming up, because I have not,

I don't remember we've covered any of these yet.

He's also written for Bravestar and he was a

writer for two episodes on Dynasty, the TV series

Dynasty. The only reason why I said I'm bringing

him up is because the person that writes the

next episode. People, I'm going to break everybody's

brains in this podcast, including yours. Probably

not. Yeah, no, I am. The overall like this wasn't

what I thought it was going to be I thought he

was going to be banished for half the episode

I mean He doesn't even really say goodbye He

just kind of goes off to some unknown twig it

village or whatever because what I assumed when

I watched the episode was that it was two different

twig It villages like the one in whispering woods

with the base camp and then this other one that

he goes out to so but The way they make it seem

like in the episode is that it's the same twigget

village because it's the same twiggets, but basically

they try to paint Bo as being irresponsible because

this is the female show and don't get me wrong,

girl power is fine, but not at the expense of

the male characters in my personal opinion. There

should be equal footing for either. But then

again, this was the eighties and this was, you

know, the opposite of He -Man and whatever. Honestly,

this episode was not as better the plot was not

as bad as I thought it was going to be Yeah,

I mean it's an interesting idea about I guess

it adds to the level of the need for the rebellion

to be somewhat secretive somewhat unseen and

You know the danger that they can have if they're

outside of their area or the danger They can

bring to other people if they're drawing attention

to them So I think I like it from that standpoint.

I too was expecting there to be more I don't

know. It seems... I was expecting there to be

more buffoonery with Bo, and the ironic thing

is he's more intelligently written in this episode

than in any other episode that we've covered

so far. Yeah, I expected there to be something

more serious that he did to get him banished,

or there to be a warning or something, or I don't

know. It just seemed like a weird setup to, like,

I don't know, all of a sudden you're banished

because you're... And the other thing for this

is we... Normally it's two places. They mention

all of Etheria, but normally we only see the

edge or the inside of the Whispering Woods or

the Fright Zone. In this, we actually have somewhere

outside of both of those places, but normally

most of the plots to this point are either Shira

has to sneak into the Fright Zone or Hordak's

attacking... The Whispering Woods. The Whispering

Woods. And I mean, yeah, we've seen Castle Bright

Moon several times, but this series, Etherea

isn't like Eternia so far, at least as far back

as I can remember. It isn't really like Eternia

where you're able to go to the Evergreen Forest

or to the Ice Mountains or whatever because of

the fact that the Horde runs the planet. And

that's part of this point of this episode is

you have to be careful. right when you're just

out in the rest of the planet which we never

really get to it you know what i mean so i really

really dug this one i thought it was really really

well done yeah all right well let's get into

the thick of it as we make our way for the first

time today into the whispering loop Alright,

so we are in the Whispering Woods, which means

we will not be banished or sent to vacation or

anything like that, so what kind of good things

do you have to say about farewell to Bo? I...

Normally both Bo and Cal really pissed me off

whether they're being stupid on their own or

stupid together, but this one, I really dug the

interactions between the two of them. The back

and forth banter. I don't know what it was about

it, it just kinda... Cowles, when the writers

write these two characters, as I said earlier,

they either write Bo to be inept or they write

Cowles to be too mean. Like, Cowles said some

pretty fucked up stuff in this show. I mean,

he has. He's never really been the character

to give Bo the benefit of the doubt. And sometimes

I don't even understand why they are friends.

Yeah. Because... It just doesn't seem like It

just doesn't seem anyway What I thought would

have been really cool and I don't think we'll

ever see this because it did it's a formulaic

show and it's you know 35 no 30 31 years old

this year. Sorry math. Yeah Cowl flew off before

Shira transformed. It'd be funny to see if the

powers of Grayskull would work on Cowl and what

he would transform into. I thought that would

be hilarious. What about you? I do like the reference

to Bo being more well known. since he's been

involved with escapades with she -ra and like

the battle of bright moon and whatnot like that

there's a reputation that some of the rebels

that before maybe weren't known to the horde

are because they are hanging out with you know

adora or she -ra or something more um so i kind

of like that that was a thing i like that the

twigots get punished for helping the rebels in

a way you know like helping the horde No, no

for helping the rebels in the beginning. Oh,

okay Idea that gives the horde even that much

more of a presence and the fact that they are

controlling everything and if you help the Pose

inside there's gonna be repercussions to it Funny

line there halfway through I guess that tree

wasn't bothering you And I do like the fact that

they do kind of bring up full circle. They tie

something from the beginning into the end, but

I will save some of that because it's a good

moment as well as a terrible moment. So I'll

save the other half of that for a second from

now. But, uh, this entire episode was a, when'd

you say this aired? October. 85. Okay. Oh, October

15th, 85. Okay. So. We are five years at this

point in the span of the series airing, we're

five years away from Captain Planet. And I'm

like, this episode is so, the underlying message

of the episode is so Captain Planet thing where

Shira keeps talking about saving the trees. Yeah,

for sure. But that's all I had for the good moments.

So what about Fright Zone moments for you? Where

the hell is Hordak for this entire plot? Did

Catra, did he approve her to do that? He's not

even mentioned at all. It's like Catra's just

going off on her own. What the hell is going

on there? Again, because I haven't actually been

keeping number count, but I do write them down.

Sword count, whatever the hell number it is,

becomes a chain this time. She's oh God did this

whole thing remember You know accounts of not

just sword to whatever but we should have account

for he man and sheer about how many times we

Just completely ignore physics and science and

nature and everything Okay, so we have to do

before I Should have said this offer We're going

to take a break after we talk about Fright Zone

moments because I have a certain clip I want

to put in here because of what the PSA is. But

anyway, the, um... Oh, God. Remember in episode

52, folks, when we talked about Horde Prime takes

a holiday and we talked about how far Swift Wind

can fly and how Sword turns into space helmet?

She's in space. She's trying to pull the moon.

She has no fucking helmet. She should be fucking

dead. The show should be over. Yeah. I mean,

it's not even I don't even need to take it that

far. I don't care if she's alive or she's not.

Just the fact that she's pulling the moon. Like,

I get that you're the most powerful person on

the planet and you can probably do some Samson

-like things with structures and buildings and

trees and walls and things like that, but you

can't pull the gal darn moon. And if you pulled

the moon, the planet would be dead anyways. Like,

you'd be messing all kinds of stuff up. Gravity,

tides, there's a lot tied to the moon, so probably

not the best idea to have your solution be moving

a celestial object like that. Yeah, it's you

know, it's kind of like moving Cybertron to earth.

It's going to be the ultimate doom for us all

right. It's like Moving the Sun so you can't

get Sun on the planet like don't do that. So

yeah, I'm in agreement with that one Spunky The

names for these twig its get worse and worse,

okay, so we got we got sprague We got Sprocker.

We got Spratina. Those are the three main ones.

Spratina's bad enough. Yeah, Spratina's bad enough.

It's kind of like a combination between Britney

Spears, Christina Aguilera, and pick whatever

third female artist you want to pick. But Spunky's

all right. He's... I don't know about the name,

but yeah. And then I know this is not new to

this episode. It's been a presence since episode

one, but I don't know if I've commented on it

yet. But Bo having a heart symbol is absolutely

queer. And I'm not saying that as a slap to homosexuals.

I'm just saying like him having a heart symbol

is forced. I don't know. It's just off putting

like there was no way he would have a heart symbol.

Except for that this is a girl series so we don't

want to put a heart symbol on the guy to like

further emasculate him or something I don't know.

I'm probably as long as I can think of every

time I say and I don't really pay I don't pay

that much attention to it what he's you know,

I Know the character model. I've seen it a million

times before in plenty of places But also I can

think of is he's the human version of tender

heart from the Care Bears The harp I you know

the full circle as far as from the beginning

to the end is cool But the heart being the solution

is kind of lame Yeah, and then I also had sword

to chain pulling the moon and yeah, it's I Hate

when they do those things I really do but I mean

there was some other things like I said I don't

want to make it seem like it was all bad But

those are the the main things that I had did

you have any other fries on loans you didn't

get to talk about? All right, so PSA was all

about science value And you had the clip, so

maybe we should just let the clip speak for itself.

Yes, this is my good buddy, TV's Mr. Neil. Because

as soon as I saw the PSA, the first thing I thought

of was something he did for This Week in Geek

a few years ago. So listen to that and we'll

be back after this. Science! Alright, for the

first time today, it's our opportunity to hand

out hardware. Mike is quickly diminishing his

supplies, but he may have something left. So

any horde bats or protection swords for you,

sir? Uh, no horde bats this time around. I thought,

like I said, everything was kind of cool and

it was a good episode overall for the most part.

Wasn't the best episode, it was... Okay, so stuff

happened, but stuff didn't really... I don't

know, I just... No Hordebats. What about you,

Hordebats, anything? I'm saving my Hordebats

and my Protection Swords because it was just

another one of those episodes that it just felt

like nothing great happened. I mean, nothing

terrible happened outside of pulling the moon,

but nothing really stood out from one way to

the other. I mean, borderline Hordebat for She

-Ruffer trying to disrupt... Nature by pulling

the moon, but I didn't get one. Yeah, I'm saving

all of mine. Did you have anything except for

a rating? Yeah, no, I wanted to give I wanted

to Again break your brain time here folks, especially

with how the next review of the podcast is gonna

go for this episode I'm gonna give one to only

have a protection sword to bow because I really

liked his friendship with the Twigots I liked

how he was, you know coming to their aid because

it's not often Like I said, we normally see Bo

and Cowl and they're always like this weird odd

couple type thing. And I just really dug how

Bo is with the Twigets. I thought that was really

cool. So I'll give him a protection sword. All

right. And how about an episode rating? How many

Crystal Castles does this one get you? Three

out of five. It's kind of middle ground. It's

kind of it's not bad. There's nothing in it that

made me rage out or anything like that, but it's

not stellar. Yeah, the world will break because

I'm going to give this one a three as well. So

three crystal castles across the board for the

first episode today. We'll have to see if that

goes up or down as we travel to episode 29 next.

It's going to be a roller coaster, people. Well,

it's always a beautiful day on Eternia, Arco.

And I'm sure glad you cleaned up your room so

you could go for a spin with me. Oh, yeah, yeah.

My room, hmm. You, uh, did clean your room, didn't

you? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, uh, well, not exactly.

I -I -I mean, uh, uh... Arco? Well, no. I -I

forgot. Then I'm sorry, Arco, but you have to

go back. Aw, Adam. No arguing, Arco. I wonder

what the Sorceress wants. Thank you for coming

so quickly, Adam. From the sound of your voice,

it must be pretty important. It is. I am receiving

signals of distress from She -Ra on Etheria.

My sister? What can I do? She needs your help,

Adam. You must go there as soon as possible.

I'll go now. Open the portal, please. Very well,

Adam. But I must warn you. I sense you are heading

into danger. If my sister needs me, there's no

time to lose. Goodbye sorceress The Sorceress

said this place might be dangerous. She wasn't

joking. Adam, welcome back to Etherium, my brother.

You came at a good time. Sheera? What's going

on? Alright, up next today is episode 29, The

Price of Freedom. Wednesday, October 16th, 1985,

written by Bob Forward, the sorceress sends Adam

to Aetheria as He -Man is needed to aid She -Ra

in defending the villagers of Drill who are forced

to work the Aetheria mines for the evil horde.

We have Hordak and Mantena, we have She -Ra,

Bo, Swiftwind, He -Man, and Orko, and a few villagers.

So what did you think about the next crossover

in the series? Another crossover, yay, I thought

it was gonna be good. This is the worst crossover

we've had to this point. I don't know about that.

Oh, it is, just wait. I don't know about that.

I really can't say too much because it's going

to essentially be me going through all of my

Fright Zone moments. I do like how in the plot

that Adam goes to Grayskull, that we see Grayskull.

First of all, we open and close on Eternia. I

thought that was kind of cool, especially for

this being the Shearer show and them wanting

to do the girls show and move on and show us

you know if you're in service area but i do like

that they started and ended up on a trip i like

the orgo is it just relegated to the p s a right

uh... he's only in the in the in the end in the

beginning of the end i really wanted to see uh...

i really wanted to see or going back around as

have a have a conversation that that that that

would have been really really friggin cool uh...

but yeah everything else i don't What about you?

I mean, I like the idea that the sorceress is

keeping kind of monitoring what's going on in

Etheria and Eternia and she knows when there's

trouble and she knows when to summon He -Man.

So I guess I like that connection. And I like

that it's not necessarily She -Ra or somebody

like necessarily. I mean, I know she kind of

calls out or whatever, but it's like they're

not going out of their way to get somebody over

there. So I like that it's kind of... He man

and the sorcerer is taking the initiative of

coming over there and I like that she is in trouble

and needs Him in a way. I think it comes down

to execution for the most part, but I'm not I

don't have a problem with the setup I mean, there's

not a lot to it It's not like there's like this

big art It would have been better if they would

have set it up with some type of beginning scene

where she we kind of leave off on the cliffhanger

and she's really in trouble instead of just the

sorcerer saying she's in trouble and You know,

it's kind of a battle going on but it's not like

a specific dangers looming so I think it could

have been done a little bit better but I don't

have a problem with the overall overall plot

set up I guess so I know you've got a lot of

things to say as far as your actual fright zone

moments so let's just get right to the chase

and get on over there fight so many horde troopers

alone she won't be alone your concern is appreciated

sir but this is our job leave while you still

can my sister and I will handle these tin cans

I wish I were as confident as you I wish I was

confident as I sound boy there sure are a lot

of them I wish there was another way right we

don't want to hurt anyone that water tower good

idea All right, let's start with the Whispering

Woods even though you might doesn't sound like

you have a lot but You have in the Whispering

Woods Wowzers sending Adam right into the thick

of the battle. They just mentioned this It's

not one specific thing but it's the way that

the sorceress explains it to him is essentially

a war is going on and This is what I imagine

aetheria to be any time. We're not seeing it.

Honestly, like I don't I don't buy every time

we open up one of these sheer episodes and they're

just in the Whispering Woods or Hordak is just

sitting on his throne. I want to believe that

there is an active ongoing war going on for this

planet. I don't believe that they're just sitting

on their asses in between the time we see them

and the time that we don't see them. So sending

Adam just right into the thick of it and... I

just absolutely love that. I thought that was

great because he needs to think on his feet and

all that. And of course, yay Orko! trucks of

my whispering once in a while. For me, I like

the fact that we get another crossover episode,

of course. We went from burning books now to

burning villages. I thought there was a really

cool shot inside Hordak's ship, kind of from

his angle, then looking through the cockpit and

out, which I kind of enjoyed. I thought there

were some great team -up moments with Himayana

Shira, and then I also thought that it was cool

to see Himayana alone in Etherea, which we don't

get to see much. So I kind of enjoyed seeing

him kind of off on his own. It would have been

better if he had Battle Cat with him, but whatever.

Well, of course, but I do still like to see that

he was kind of on his own there for a while.

pretty clever tie -in with the freedom thing

as far as, you know, the villagers are fighting

for their freedom and then you get the tie back

to Orko at the end where he's like, how hard

is it to get some, you know, peace and quiet

or some freedom or whatever? It is kind of made

for a cool moment. So that's what I like there.

I'll go real quick for my fright zone moments

because I only have one and then you can take

over. And I just thought it was a weird looking

big robot that the Horde had employed there in

that flashback scene. So I was kind of off putting

why wouldn't they have just used like a. Trooper

or something. I don't know, but and it didn't

look like Hordak, which is weird Most stuff looks

like Hordak but all right the that other weird

thing from whatever episode it was That looked

like yeah didn't look like stages here, sir Okay,

here we go now to preface this people I love

the crossovers as I've said I love it when we

see the two of them together brother and sister

fighting Hordak and Skeletor and whatever else

and all this stuff, but This is by far the worst

crossover out of them that we've seen to this

point My sister and I are you fucking kidding

me only the Great Rebellion The people in the

Great Rebellion like Bo and glimmer and madam

rad only those people Are supposed to go that

there will be a whole episode they kept referring

to their brother and sister relationship and

don't get me wrong these new villagers these

new rebellion members whatever five but he's

the two of them say this shit throughout the

whole fucking episode. And it's like if cat is

just walking by she could just find out that

their brother and sister right it's like oh my

god get the. And it's the writing. that's the

problem here the writing bob forward wrote this

how the hell did bob forward write this because

damn it might be his worst written cartoon he's

ever done i mean seriously he man acts as if

he doesn't even know anything of the hordes villainy

he just destroyed them when he In the crossover,

the way He -Man is written in this is just the

shittiest, laziest He -Man writing I have ever

seen when it comes to the character of He -Man.

It's like he knows nothing. It's like he went

through a memory eraser or something. I don't

know. Sword to staff, count whatever the hell

number. She didn't even twirl the damn staff.

She just stood there and the bugs ran into the

fucking thing. Are you kidding me? Okay. Now

the biggest one, and I'm probably gonna get ten

times louder than I already have. Wait, wait,

wait, wait, wait. They dig through the other

side of the mountain and end up in the Whispering

Woods? How? When Sheera flew back to the Whispering

Woods, she said it was a long journey between

the mine and the Whispering Woods. So how the

fuck do they come out? I mean, is this like the

biggest mountain on the fucking planet that it...

Goes from one area to the other Like seriously,

how the fuck do they end up at the whispering

woods after coming out of the mountain? There's

no transition scene saying oh, yeah, we get out

of the mountain and now we're gonna go back to

the list There's nothing there. And this is the

reason why I brought up Don Heckman earlier.

It's because Don Heckman's bose farewell is a

better written episode than bob forwards the

price of freedom but i don't know i like the

whole message of the freedom and you know wanted

to be free and all that stuff but jesus christ

this episode is so poorly written dot god you

know okay then uh... I have a feeling we're going

to differ on this episode a little bit. I'm going

to have to go back and look at every single crossover

episode, I guess, and rank them, because I can't

say that it's the worst or the best or anywhere

in the middle. I'm not saying it's the worst

of the... I'm saying it's the worst crossover

episode. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying I'd

have to look back at what I've ranked for this.

But I'm also saying that this is the worst thing

I think I've ever seen written by Bob Forward

out of anything he's ever done. Alright. It's

just so... I did not have the reaction to this

one as you did. I had one weird -looking big

robot as my fright zone moment. The PSA was about

fire being dangerous. Of course, that's a good

message to get to the kids. I guess we can shoehorn

it in with this episode, but I'm interested to

get to our radians and have a little bit further

discussion. So let's take a break, come back

with our horde bats, protection swords, and then

we can start arguing. Oh god, here we go. Your

people are free at last. That's right. Looks

like you saved the day without us, She -Ra. Well,

I did have a little help. Of course, it was all

in the family. Isn't there anything for us to

do? Why don't you take our new friends to the

camp and help them get settled? With pleasure.

Come along, folks. Know that this business is

over? I think it's time for me to leave. I was

afraid of that. Well, please give Mother and

Father my love. I look for the day we'll all

be together. That day will come, She -Ra. Someday

all of our worlds will live in peace and there

will be no reason to fight or to fear what tomorrow

may bring. I pray it will be soon. so if your

room's clean we can go for that spin now. I can't,

Adam. Now man -alarm says I have to clean up

this paint I spilled. Oh, boy. What's a guy got

to do to get a little freedom these days? Hmm.

Well, Orko, you know, sometimes freedom is pretty

hard work. But then again, it's worth it. Yes,

Orko, it certainly is worth it. Alright, it's

time for Horde Bats and Protection Swords. I

will let you go first. What do you have for a

Horde Bat? Bob Forward. Just... Oh, God. Horde

Bat for Bob Forward. And no, and I'll give one

Protection Sword out for the whole team -up thing,

because they did work well. He -Man and She -Ra

each, because they did work well together. But,

oh my God, I just want to shoot Bob Forward between

the eyes. Oh my God, how did he write this? Alright,

um, I don't have any Horde vets, so nobody really

fished me off in this episode. How about protection

swords for you? One HD He -Man and She -Ra for

them working well together, even though the execution

of the story was... Horrible. Alright. I have

one for He -Man as well. I liked what he did

there and how he was able to kind of come in

and protect his sister and save the day. So that

is what I have for that. And let's hear it. What

do you have for your Crystal Castle rating? It's

only because it's He -Man and we see him working

with She -Ra and their teamwork is excellent,

but one out of five. One out of five. This has

pissed me off so much. I just don't understand

why. I don't get it. What do you mean you don't

understand why? I don't understand what there

was that was angering. I don't, I don't. We both

always complain about the moving fire or water.

How can you not see what is so wrong and so just

stupid neglectful writing of not even explaining

how to fuck the mountain? The other side of the

mountain ends up being backed up to the Whispering

Woods when they already said in the episode that

it would take She -Ra a long time to fly from

the mine to the Whispering Woods. And then all

of a sudden, when they're digging it out, the

Whispering Woods are just apparently on the other

fucking side of the thing. How do you not see

what's so wrong with that? That's just lazy ass

writing. Alrighty then. I guess I just didn't,

uh, I didn't. I wasn't hung up on it I guess

I didn't just notice it as much and it didn't

stand out so I just kind of kept watching the

episode and enjoying the other things I don't

know maybe I was not paying enough attention

I don't know I'm gonna blame that so I gave this

one a four out of five so whoa I enjoyed the

crossover I enjoyed the orco bits I enjoyed he

man the way he Kind of was summoned there by

the Sorceress. And I like that he was on his

own in Aetheria and kind of saving the day and

doing everything he could to protect his sister.

So I enjoyed that. So maybe I need to re -watch

this one, but four out of five for me. All right,

we definitely disagreed on that one. Let's see

if we continue to disagree or if we come into

more of an alignment as we make our way to the

last episode for today, episode 30, Milestones.

See how it goes. Alright, last up today is episode

30. Play it again, Bo. Our second Bo title of

the day, Airdate Thursday, October 17, 1985.

Written by Harvey Brenner, Frit, an old acquaintance

of Madame Raz, has been collecting bottles to

build a giant monument to freedom. Again, freedom,

second mention of the day as well. When the Horde

steals his old horse, True Blue, and attempt

to destroy his monument, the rebellion comes

to his rescue. So we have some Horde troopers,

and Catra, of course. We have She -Ra, Bo, Glimmer,

Madame Raz, Twiggett's cowl spirit broom Everybody

so what did you think about this? long -lost

acquaintance of Madame Raz I Love this other.

This is great because we actually get some background

and some story on Madame Raz finally I thought

this was wonderfully done and once again as I

have this whole podcast I have to bring up the

writer Harvey Brenner How is it that Harvey Brenner

and Don Heckman, two writers that I have actually

had to look up that I don't recognize their names

on anything. How is it that they can write two

really good episodes, one each for them, and

we get Bob Forward's shittiest episode ever?

I just can't imagine. That I gave a four out

of five to, by the way. Yeah, whatever. For Heckman,

he wrote Jacob and the Widgets. For Brenner?

Yeah, for Brenner. For He -Man, he wrote Jacob

and the Widgets and the Great Books Mystery.

He did story slash teleplay on an episode of

Cagney and Lacey. He had this one episode for

She -Ra, and he did the vigilantes for Brave

Star in 87. All right. But I love this. I thought

this was great because how often do we get a

Madame Raz slash Broom slash backstory kind of...

Kind of episode. I mean, you know, you know We

talked about we want to see more character development

and stuff from either side the rebellion or the

horde and here we go We're getting a backstory

from Madame Raz Okay What what I agree I like

the idea I like the setup of an old acquaintance

of Madame Raz and that we're gonna see what kind

of Relationship they had or how they know each

other. How's it gonna play out? So I completely

support the premise of having a story about Madame

Raz and her past So I have no problem with the

premise of this episode and that is all I will

say about that So let's take a break and make

our way for the last time today to whispering

woods in the fright zone to see if we agree or

disagree on this one I have a feeling it's gonna

go one way Let me take you to my friends. Maybe

we can find a way to get your animal back That

would be wonderful. And the good king's army,

with help from all the people, drove the invaders

from the land. That was wonderful. Tell us another

story, Fritz. Why don't we ask Bo to sing us

a song? Yeah, yeah! Come on, Bo, please! I'd

be grateful, Bo, if you'd sing just we two. That

is, if you know it. Oh, I know it. But why that

song? It brings back someone I knew long ago.

We were young we were in love and that was our

song Say no more. I shall sing it for you with

pleasure Razzle dazzles all I see whenever in

harmony, harmony, just we It's quite easy, Madame

Raz. My fingers go here like this. That song

must never be played in my presence. Why not,

Madame Raz? Because that's the... Oh, Frit, is

that really you? Hello, Raz. It's been a long

time, but you're still as pretty as a rainbow.

Oh, and you still know how to sweet talk a girl.

I asked Bo to sing our song. That was our song.

That's over. The song ended when you went away.

As I recall, my sweet, it was you who went away.

Oh, don't you, my sweet me. It's over, I tell

ya. Finished? Done. She's pretty as ever. What

was all that about? Alright, it's time for the

Whispering Woods for episode 30. I'll go first

this time. Bo was somewhat funny when asked how

why or how he played that song. And he's like,

well, this is how you do it. You take your hand

and you go. I thought that was somewhat funny.

Again, I enjoy the Frit and Madame Raz storyline.

I think that's a cool angle to kind of see that

she did have a past companion of sorts. And the

fact that we're not necessarily 100 % sure. about

that until she comes along and obviously recognizes

him. I also think there's a ton of fun for Broom

and Madame Raz in this episode. His arms and

the way she's trying to make him stop. The dialogue

between those two is really good. It's always

really good between Madame Raz and Broom. Yeah.

I like the fact that we have Swiftwind, or Spirit,

whichever one you want to call him, taking out

horde troopers. Yeah, that was kind of awesome.

He's taking action. We usually don't see that.

Another, I forget which Twiggett said it, but

I don't know what's worse, being tied up or listening

to that mush. I think it's Spunky. Yeah, I mean,

he was, he was, he had a couple of - Oh, I think

it was, Spunky wasn't in this one, it was Sprocker.

He had like two lines very similar to that, and

I thought they were both really, really kind

of cool. So definitely enjoyed that. What about

you? What did you like best out of this episode?

You already mentioned - being tied up or listening

to that mush. I like the deep stuff between Raz

and Frit. I thought that was really cool. Spirit,

it's like you've read my notes. Spirit and Action.

I do question as to not Spirit's actions, but

his location in the episode, but we'll talk about

that later. And my first note here was already,

this is more awesome than the other two episodes.

We get it. Stranger and Frit, and then you come

to find out as the plot takes the story to give

background for Madame Raz I thought that was

absolutely amazing, and I I don't think we'll

see Frit again I don't know, but I don't think

we will but I kind of almost wish we would because

it's just so It's just so refreshing to see some

of the other like you know we we've talked about

this the series and sticking with the same characters

over and over and over again, and I don't even

remember the last Madame Raz episode we've had

in the last two or three podcasts. I don't remember,

like where she's been predominantly needed or

focused on, not necessarily a backstory for it,

but just having her in an episode with Broom

and all that, so absolutely love this. All right,

what else, anything? Nope, that's it. All right,

how about fright sound moments, anything you

didn't like? How would oh Bo would be featured

in the reject pile of American Idol auditions.

Oh my god. It was terrible He can pull he can

play he can play music. He can actually play

instruments and have good melodies He can't sing

for shit. Yeah, don't let him sing. That's awful.

No, what's the purpose? Okay, so Again, one of

the things, maybe I missed it, I don't know,

I know the plot of the episode is that they have

to save the monument and they also have to save

Frit's horse, True Blue, which if Frit was a

giant and the horse was an ox, I'm thinking,

hey, it's Paul Bunyan and babe, but anyway. Understand

his horse wasn't around but they didn't really

write in or explain How that they were gonna

use spirit because I've never seen spirit used

this way where he's pulling the cart Did I miss

something here? Did they actually show him being?

Did Adora say anything that that they could use

it like I mean, it's a little nitpick I'm not

pissed about it at all. I'm just saying it's

a little strange I'm like because I'm watching

the whole time. I'm like wait, that's that's

spirit pulling the cart What's going on here?

And then he's running back and then he does his

awesome, you know rearing up and Did he headbutt

the Horde thing or he enacted with his feet on

the one? No, no, no, no, no the sword cuts on

its own come on No She throws it in the ground

she says sword cut and it moves on its own The

sword is not the night industry's 2 ,000 people.

Come on. Oh God Why My my freight is on moments.

I will read them as I have them written both

singing Dot dot dot ug. Yeah. Yeah sword to lariat

We believe seen that yeah, I just had to write

it down sword cut question mark. Are you kidding

me? Yeah That was the worst you could see I will

give you every sword to lariat sword to shield

sword to the rope sword to the Bolas whatever

you want to turn that damn sword into it does

not move on its own And it definitely does not

move its on its own to cut out the earth Or the

land, I guess you wouldn't call it Earth, the

aetheria. So let me ask you something here really

quickly before you continue. I've watched the

thing when she says Sword to Lariat and Sword

to Rope. It's the same animation model. What

the fuck is the difference? It's more so how

you're using it, I guess. Yeah, but it's bad

enough. Even if she was doing it herself, if

she was physically cutting the earth, I would

have still had a problem with it, because I can't

stand when they do this. There's no way you're

cutting the earth. You're not that powerful.

And the earth wouldn't just pick up like that.

There'd be roots and stuff sticking to the ground.

And then you wouldn't then be able to push it

down into the hole that it was in, because it

would There isn't really a hole. I don't know.

It just doesn't work like that. So I would have

a problem even if she's doing it herself, but

the fact that it's the sword doing it on its

own is worse. And then my only other one that

I really had a problem with. So I love the Madame

Raz and Fritz storyline. I love the backstory

there that we're getting on it. It's what we

ask for a lot of times with backstory from these

characters and something from their past. But

she even comments that she's going to try to

help. First of all, that monument was retarded.

Okay, it should have looked cooler. It should

have been some type of cooler symbol even after

she turns it into the crystal It still kind of

looks lame, but um she's like I got to make up

for all those lost years that we've had So that

says to me that you've now regretted the fact

that you've missed out on all these years that

you guys were stubbornly staying apart and that

you both care for each other and Then at the

end of the episode they leave each other again

So missing all those years and now you're still

not going to be together after this Yeah, like

what is that showing to anybody like you're gonna

just leave him there and go about your way And

we're never gonna see this guy again, but you

somehow are regretful for the years that you

lost with him Yeah, I think that made no sense

so There should have been something that was

keeping him there He had to guard something or

he had to do something or she was gonna stay

there and then we could just imagine that she

was Transporting herself to and from whenever

we saw her or bring him into the brunch and have

him shown a couple times I don't know but to

have something yes something so I really hated

that so a couple things with the sword cutting

and I'm not being together at the end that kind

of pissed me off a little bit, but The PSA was

about diversity and the fact that he was collecting

bottles for every different person and we're

supposed to embrace differences and all the different

people and genders and races and all that kind

of stuff and Something about that. So what did

you think about the PSA? It's a 80s PSA, I mean

true that kind of reminds me of something out

of mass, but okay Actually two of them today

remind him I'm like, hey, where's Scott and Teva

when you're really in the fire one? And then

this one's like wow, really? Yeah All right.

Well, I think that means time to take our final

break and we'll Come back to hand out our last

pieces of hardware and see if we're more in line

with our ratings on this one than we were on

the last one. Fun begins. Frit, whatever happens,

I want you to forgive me. Well, I'm the one who

got us into this mess. No, I should have taken

you with me when I joined the Rebels. Besides,

this mess isn't so bad. How can you say that?

Well, we're together, aren't we? You bet we are,

Azzy. I don't know what's worse, being tied up

or listening to that mush. Alright, last chance

today to empty your cupboards of hardware. Mike,

what do you got? Horde Bats or Protection Swords?

One, well... One Horde, well, two Horde Bats

and two Protection Swords. As I could predict.

Yeah, a Horde Bat, both She -Ra and to the sword

itself. One each for Horde Bats. Oh, God. The

fact that she even said sword cut and... Oh,

God. Anyway. uh protection swords uh fritz and

or fritz and and raz all right fair enough i

will um differ on you a little bit on that then

i will give a horde bat to madame raz actually

for now why because she didn't stay with her

lover okay okay so if you love him stay with

him and then protection sword to spirit You can

the whore troopers ass taking action and doing

more than I've seen you do in most episodes up

to this point so Outside of talking so alright

crystal castle rating for this one, sir Three

and a half. I thought you might be higher on

this one. I was and then you'd kind of talk me

down to it I was gonna go for but the whole thing

of You know, your argument of them not spending,

you know, all these years together and just,

yeah, three and a half. See, that's interesting.

Your original rating on this one was a four.

My original rating on this one was a one. You

went down to a three and a half. I went up to

a two and a half. Actually went up a little bit

as I was remembering that I did like the backstory

I did like how spirit was acting and There were

some good moments to it and the Madame Razz and

broom stuff. So I didn't hate it I just wish

there was no sword cutting and I wish they would

have explained why they were gonna be separated

again So two and a half for me three and a half

for you. So I think that does it for this week

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on episode 56 of myths of aetheria Any thoughts

so far? I mean outside of a little backstory

with Madame Rez I don't know. I mean I did like

the price of freedom episode and the crossover

a lot more than you obviously but Outside of

that man, it was I need more hoard I need more

hordak. There wasn't a horde in this. There wasn't

a lot of hordak in this either. No, there was

a lot of horde troopers and some catra. But I

need to see some of these other people. I need

to see some of the more bad characters. Give

me some more of Mantena. Give me some more of

Tongue -Lashor, of Leech, of any of these people.

Grizzler, does he exist? Is he there? Has he

been banished forever? I don't know. So I don't

think I've seen him in like... 15 20 episodes

it seems like so I would like to see some more

actual horde versus rebellion and a little less

of the side stories and the villages and this

that and the other so I Don't know. I was not

excited overall today. I Just want to go back

here just for a little bit Bob forward wrote

She run chained which is part of the secret of

the sword thing He wrote he ain't heavy. He wrote

horde prime takes a holiday He wrote price of

freedom and then we have after that we have a

number of upcoming episodes written by him So

I'm hoping we actually have a two -parter That's

coming up later in the series that is written

by him I really really hope Bob forward gets

better on this show like I know this show was

kind of just kind of looking through his like

His filmography here on IMDB, this and Ghostbusters

was kind of his breakout, like his beginnings.

But I've seen other stuff written by Bob Forward

since this. And he can do so much better than

what he did on The Price of Freedom. I mean,

hell. I guarantee you all five episodes he wrote

of cops is better than The Price of Freedom.

Yeah. I could see that. There's not much else

I can say. We're still so young into this series.

We really are. We haven't really even cracked.

Like you said, we want to see all these other

characters. I think... When was the last time

I saw Grizzlore? It was probably... catcher episode

where they tried to team them up like what they

used to do with Evelyn and Beastman but it didn't

really but yeah I'd like to see a grizzly or

centric episode where you know yeah he was it

was it this last episode or was it there was

what was the episode with the Horde ship that

Hordak was in the ship yeah yeah price of freedom

okay so the one good thing that came out of that

was the twist on how he dealt with mantana instead

of throwing him in the dungeon he shoots him

out of the ship yeah that was pretty cool uh

that was that was all right um but yeah i mean

we need to see like what's the point of introducing

all these characters and showing them to us every

now and then if we don't really it's the same

complaint you know we had for four years on he

-man it's like you introduce us to triclobs you

introduce us to web story you introduce us to

all these other non, you know, not, you know,

not utilized enough characters and it's happening

again here in She -Ra. They give one or two things

here and they always rely on Catra. I think I

can count on both hands how many times I've seen

Scorpia. You can count on a couple fingers for

Grizzler. Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean and and see

that was the thing like grizzlore when we started

in secret of the sword He was running the prison.

He was you know It's like they It's like okay

what they did in sheer and I know this is way

way before what I'm gonna reference here, but

It's like they started with the Avengers and

then the villains just all branched off and we

don't even know where half of them are because

you know you know seriously you take the Marvel

Cinematic Universe you build everything up from

Iron Man to Incredible Hulk or whatever the last

one was before Avengers and everybody has you

know the big team up in Avengers and then the

the break off of what's you know all that but

it's it's the same thing here it's like we got

introduced to some of these really really cool

villains like leech i mean i know leech is kind

of sucky no pun intended but um like something

show us something give us more with the villains

and and the heroes too i mean sure we've seen

cast aspella a few times we've seen frosta exactly

once and she was only making snow for a twig

it don't get me wrong i know that was a hilarious

scene in that episode but Come on, we need more.

I'm with you on that. We're 30 episodes into

this out of 93. So they have 63, I think, yeah,

they have 63 episodes to impress us with these

characters. And so far, yeah. Yeah, we're reaching

the third, the third wave mark and, ah, man.

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