Zone of Darkness, Once Upon a Time, and A Plague Upon Primus

My name is Adam of Grayskull. When good is threatened

by the power of Eternia, I have power! I was

summoned to the future by the last of mankind

to defend them in their hour of need. Hello,

this is Optimus Solo and welcome to the 94th

chapter in our Powers of Grayskull series. with

me for this journey into the masters of the universe

franchise is the one and only tfg1 mike hello

it just gets worse and worse i might differ with

your opinion on that one this week you might

next week let's hope not because next week oh

my god i think something i'll talk about it in

a little bit so are you ready for another trip

to space no okay well regardless if you're ready

or not Here we come, because in this episode

of Masters in Space, we'll be giving you our

thoughts on the next three episodes of The New

Adventures of He -Man, episode 34, Zone of Darkness,

episode 35, Once Upon a Time, not the TV series,

and episode 36, A Plague Upon Primus. So we hope

you're ready, because it's time to go back to

space. This won't even be worth watching. All

right, first up today is episode 34 zone of darkness

air date September 21st 1990 written by Jim Carlson

and Terrence McDonald another two new names that

we have not seen before I don't believe and Basically

master Sebreon and Mara crash in a remote area

of Denebria and he man hurries to their rescue

and in the crash place He is welcomed by mutants

who have our behavior unusually friendly. They

say that they were once humans so This is an

interesting episode where he's encountering mutants

that claim to be humans, and we also have the

dichotomy of are they working for the mutants

or are they actually good? So it's kind of like

a trust episode. Can we trust these guys or not?

So what did you think about this one? I liked

it. It was okay. Skeletor, he's a little late

to make a Transformers reference, but okay. I

don't know. At first, it stood out to me like,

oh, this is your standard. We're just misunderstood,

yada, yada, yada. Someone has said so many things

about us, but none of it's true, that kind of

thing. Like, oh, we've come to this planet and

we were gonna explore it or whatever and it turned

us into evil creatures or evil -looking creatures

and then hey, we go back to Primus and the three

suns cure us. I'm like, really? Seriously, that's

the plot? You know, I haven't had a chance. to

do the research yet. So, you know, if there's

a listener out there or a super fan that wants

to film you in, please do, or I'll try to find

out by the end of the series. But I swear something

happened at the halfway mark with this series.

Like a different team of some sort came in. I

know I already kind of talked about this last

episode or the one before, but it seems like

right when we got to episode, I don't know, 30ish,

like all of a sudden something was different.

Like, I don't know if it's the the director or

if it's the Creative team or or what but I do

feel that way. I feel like the episodes are different

Yeah, it's not I don't think it's this batch

of episodes It's next week's where I'll go ahead

and say this now and I'll repeat myself next

week because everybody knows I repeat myself

all the damn time Because I just repeat myself

all the damn time. Um, it's one of those things

where what I noticed in the Next week's batch

in episode 95 is the transformation scene changed.

It's longer now. I'm like really seriously. It's

longer. He's he's I think one of these Producers

whomever animators went back and watched thundercats

because he's like swinging this and swinging

that like no You're not lying. Oh go away 90s

new adventures he man. No, no, no, no Yeah, but

I'll get into it a little bit more when we get

into our good and bad moments But I swear there's

there's multiple things from a visual standpoint

Yeah from who's getting the more time on screen?

From some of the relationships between the characters

and the quality of the episodes seem like they

changed all of a sudden So I it's weird. It's

like the second half has started off really more

positive than I expected. And we'll see how long

that lasts. But at least, you know, last week

we were super positive on it. And I'm going to

be pretty positive overall today, too. So it's

just a strange. I feel like I'm on this planet.

I don't know who to trust here. Do I trust these

episodes? Are they good or are they going to

be mutants once we get to know them a little

bit more? So, yeah, let's take a quick break

and we'll come back with the good, the bad, the

ugly and some rewards and awards and ratings

and all kinds of fun stuff. Wake me when it's

over, I'm going to get my beauty sleep. Alright,

let's start with some good and bad moments for

this episode. What did you like about this first

one today? Um, I like the fact that I'm also

annoyed at the fact that they throw the whole

message of, you know... Look with your eyes.

Look with your heart. Look on the inside. Like,

have we not had this enough in other 90s properties?

Have we not had this enough in 80s properties?

Like, come on already. I'm going to jump in along

with this because this is my only snake mountain

moment. But this seems to be like the one theme

or the one message PSA type quality thing that

nobody can do subtly. Like, it always is so forceful,

so hit you over the head, so hammer at home.

Like, every time we've seen this in a cartoon,

it seems like they have to have a line or a dialogue

that, like, just outright says stuff like, you

know, you can't judge someone on their appearance

or, you know, it's what's inside that counts

or whatever. And it's like, you can't just show

us, like, through the story. You don't have to

tell us on top of it. And that's the thing, like,

several of the filmation episodes, both He -Man

and She -Ra, have a message in the episode, and

then they still have the PSA at the end. I get

it, it was the 80s, Lou Scheimer needed to have

the PSAs, I understand that, that's fine, we've

already gone through that in the last five and

a half years at this point, and all of that,

but the same thing here, like, this show still

has PSAs, and I don't know if it's because of

the fact that they, whomever the... executives

are we're trying to emulate filmation but like

some of the PSA's make like there was one PSA

I watched within this episode's batch or next

week's episode batch because I watched all six

at once where It felt like a mask PSA, like,

oh, hey, by the way, don't leave the oven on,

kind of. Like, really, seriously, that's your

PSA in 1990 or 1991 or 1992, whatever that, like,

seriously? Like, The Simpsons had better PSA

crap. at this point. Like, I mean, come on! That's

why, as you've noticed, we haven't really talked

about PSAs in this series. Oh, hell no! We've

given up on that. We're watching the episodes.

That's as much as we can give you. We're not

going to comment on the PSAs they have at the

end. The only way we're going to comment on PSAs

is if people start paying us 50 bucks each for

episodes. I'm not kidding. You laugh. You think

I'm kidding. I'll start charging people 50 bucks

an episode. No one's going to pay. And then they'll

never get released, but seriously. Yeah. What

about any other good or bad moments for you?

Like I said earlier, Skeletor, oh, he must be

more than meets the eye. I'm like, please, Optimus

Prime, come in and bash this guy over the head.

I did like, I thought it was interesting that

we have a thing where there are mutants and they

know that so the bad guys will trust us because

we look hideous type thing. Yeah. That was kind

of an interesting switch. Like they were going

to use their their disguise to trick the bad

guys. Why is Skeletor doing the jig at the beginning

of this episode? That was hilarious. But he's

like doing a dance and a song and dance at the

beginning. That's another thing. It's like, did

somebody else take over? Because this is even

Skeletor's acting in ways that he didn't during

the first half, I feel like. Yeah. And the other

big thing that we all sudden are seeing here

in the second half of this series is was there

an was there an new introduction in the toy line,

I don't know if there was a toy line for this

series or not, I assume there was. There was,

it's what killed the franchise actually I think.

But at this point, was there a big introduction

of vehicles that were sold alongside the action

figures in the same vein of vehicles that you

would have seen in like G .I. Joe and stuff like

that? That's something that you're going to have

to research when we do the recap, because I have

no idea. 1990, 1991, I was ready for the Simpsons.

Like I've already said, back in episode 83 of

the podcast, once they took away Filmation He

-Man stuff on toy shelves, I was full -on Transformers,

Simpsons, Turtles, knew nothing of this toy line.

But have you noticed that all of a sudden we're

seeing a bunch of vehicles in the episodes that

are like one -man vehicles or two -person vehicles,

like there's ground vehicles. And they look exactly

like what you would have seen with a mask vehicle

without the transformation aspect or a G .I.

Joe vehicle or something like that. It's weird.

It's out of nowhere because we never saw that

during the first half outside of the... the main

spaceships that we see. Yeah, at least in this

case with the astro subs, they're not sky -sleddish,

where it's just somebody sitting on a toboggan

or something. It's actually somebody in a...

Tie fighter x -wing type thing whatever yeah,

but it's not even just in this episode like if

you start watching from like episode whatever

29 30 something like that all sudden you start

seeing a bunch of vehicles pop it up here and

there so that's kind of interesting I like Sagittar

and Tuskador way more than flip shot and hydrogen

Yeah, I'll have more to say about flip shot next

week because oh my god as much as I love Scott

McNeil Whoever the hell is writing episodes for

flip shot Needs to be flipped over and shot.

So basically this episode has taken out Flip

Shot and Hydra as the main characters and instead

we have Sagittar and Tuskador as like the main

characters and we've seen that a couple different

times here now again towards the second half

where they're inserting more of the other Galactic

Guardians and I just I love the look of Sagittar

and Tuskador better. I like their attitudes better.

They're highlighted in this week's episode and

you'll see why maybe Flip Shot and Hydra are

not highlighted when we get to next week's episode.

But that's all. And for that, so what about any

Havok staff or Power Swords for you? Uh, Power

Swords to Skeletor and He -Man. I thought they

both had interesting moments and all that. The

other negative thing I had really quickly I forgot

to mention. I don't mind them showing the sorceress

in He -Man's eye and all that, but did we really

need the echoing effect on different -then -perceived

-perceived? Like, no, don't do that. Don't do

that. Wow. Yeah, but he man in Skeletor get power

swords. What about you any ratings or not any

awards? Yeah, I just have power swords for Tuskador

and Sagittar because I'd like to see them more

and and the other guys less so That's all I had

for rating wise. I am at a three and a half on

this one I think it's above average I think there's

a little bit uniqueness as far as the we don't

get to see this a lot where you just run into

a Different race and you have to figure out if

they're good or bad and there's a scene a literally

a scene of them talking with Skeletor and the

mutants making a deal so you think that they

are, but they're really not and they're really

humans that were just kind of turned into these

beings by being on this planet. The only thing

that I was kind of waiting for was it did turn

Severian and everybody back to humans. I was

waiting to see what these guys would have looked

like when they turned back to humans, but they

didn't. I don't know if they just needed longer

or if their effects were more permanent, but

I thought it was above average. I'm three and

a half. What about you? i'm right there with

you it's it's three -and -a -half it's it's average

bordering on good i think if uh... uh... not

necessarily execution but if the plot was done

a little like rewritten just a little bit to

surely okay so remember when i i'm sure you're

river's go back to the city three of uh... there's

a great school series here and when we started

a new adventures a human the first thing i said

was that very first episode it took them eight

and a half minutes to tell us anything about

he man out of a 22 minute cartoon You could have

taken eight and a half minutes here to give us

a story like I'm basically reversing my position

Yes, you can show Primus and what it like Primus

could say oh, we've noticed this planet out here

That's in trouble or whatever cut to the planet

Have some sort of dialogue or some sort of explanation

whatever the hell you want to call it to explain

to the audience these people's plight and have

more backstory on them in one 22 -minute episode

than just, oh, we look different, so we're uglier,

so we're assuming that, oh, all mutants are evil,

yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm like, oh my god,

no. But a fairly positive way to start today

with two, three and a half, so it could have

been worse for sure. We'll take a break and see

if it gets better or worse from here. Up next

today is episode 35, Once Upon a Time, written

by Misty Taggart, also aired in 1990. He -Man,

suffering from homesickness after being away

from Eternia for so long, begs the Sorceress

for a chance to go back home. Instead... The

sorcerer sends his old friend Tila from Eternia

to join him in the future. Skeletor, meanwhile,

finds a volume of the Encyclopedia of Evil. With

the entire encyclopedia, he would be unbeatable,

so he travels to the Vault of Zaktus, where he

assumes the other volumes of the encyclopedia

would be. Uh -huh. Okay, um... What do you think,

sir? flash to Eternia and a character that we

have known from previous series enters into the

new adventures. I mean I was waiting for her

and Mara to just jump in a pit of pudding or

something because oh my god Mara in this episode

Mara's been annoying in the past she's not as

annoying as Filmation Tila was but damn this

episode pretty much it was New Adventures Tila

with Filmation Tite, like Mara took the place

of Filmate, like no, oh my god. Did you like

this Tila better than the other Tila? I think

they took too many liberties. I think they tried

to make her more Adora -ish, except they gave

her Prince Adam's pink stuff from... Her look

reminds me of a cross between... If you took

Prince Adam and you took Princess Allura from

Voltron in the pink Voltrons, that's essentially

what this Tila is as far as her look and all

that, as far as her outfit goes. I don't know.

I liked it. I thought it was interesting that...

She obviously knows Adam she knows he man, but

she has more of a friendship with he man than

she does Adam Lee They're like go back five years

or whatever to when we covered formation That

was more of a brother -sister thing with that

Adam and Tila like she's always giving him shit

and whatever else and all this and all that and

everything else But this seems to be more like

hey, I could be your wife someday. I don't know

The other thing that's kind of weird, well first

of all, I do enjoy the fact that we're getting

a connection to Eternia. Yeah, I do. I would

enjoy more of those. Absolutely. It's like though

that they went out of their way to try to be

as different as possible with the character designs.

Like they wanted to distance themselves from

filmation or maybe they wanted to make sure that

they didn't get... you know, sued or something.

I don't know what the situation was, but like

you could at least take something of the original

one and bring it over like as some aspect that

would remind you of the of the old characters.

But yeah, like you said, they look nothing like

each other. Like you have enough. Like Sorceress

has some stuff that's similar. Like she looks

different, but. You can tell by looking at her

that she is the sorceress. Yeah. He -Man looks

different, but you can look at him and know that

he's He -Man. Skeletor's really weird, but you

could look at him and still kind of figure out

that he's Skeletor. I've kind of come around

to... Yeah. Yeah. But if you look at Tila, you

don't know that she's Tila. Like you'd be like,

is this She -Ra? Is this somebody else? Like

who is this? But of course it is Tila. The other

thing that's weird though... That you could they

kind of I guess did a good job of not even acknowledging

so that nobody thought about it, but There would

have to be some type of weird situation where

Tila Finds that both he man and Adam are on this

distant planet. Yeah And not just one of them

like that would be a key giveaway that they're

the same person but But yeah, I like that aspect

of this episode. I could care less about the

encyclopedia of evil so uh... like okay so that

is one of the disclosures and comedic moments

but yeah and i don't care more about that you

know he meant aspects the thing that's going

to turn his design now it's not it's better than

what the original like first five episode design

was i've i've come to like it because he's uh...

i mean You put a damn 10 gallon hat on him and

he's basically a dancing cowboy with those pants.

I mean seriously like Yeah, I mean I've come

around to Skeletor's look and yeah, it's okay.

But yeah Tila I Not that there's anything wrong

with her look. You just wouldn't know that that's

who's yeah, exactly. Yeah Like I probably would

have been a better look if that was the look

from the beginning heck. I mean I Filmation one

wasn't like fast and you know wasn't Incredible

or anything like that, but yeah, all right. Let's

take a quick break We'll come back and get more

into this episode what we like what we didn't

like and you'll see how we how we decided this

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Alright, we're back to get a little bit more

onto this once upon a time episode. I got a couple

things here Actually, I have about three or four

items for both. So I'll go first and you can

talk about whatever's left Good moments here.

I love the idea that he meant actually misses

Eternia because up to this point It's like he

didn't even exist in the Eternia Like he's made

no acknowledgement that he was from another planet.

No Desire to go back there. No, like oh we got

to finish this up so I can return to my you know

family There's been no mention of it So it's

good that we're acknowledging that he is not

from this planet and is gone from the planet.

He grew up on Nordor Is that coming straight

out of Lord of the Rings? That's not the first

or last time we're gonna hear that either I was

definitely very positive on the fact that Tila's

involved here. I did find it funny, though, that

at the end of the episode, you know, obviously

the sorceress made this happen, but Tila doesn't

just say bye or we'll see you again sometime.

She says farewell forever. Mm hmm. Like that

was odd. Like, so you guys are just acknowledging

that you're never going to see each other no

matter what again. Like, I thought that was.

Didn't think that was in the cars I thought at

some point they wanted to reunite at some point

human might want to go home After this is all

said and done, but it's not guess not snake mom

Mara is a jealous bitch. Mm -hmm. Um, why did

the ground go back together perfectly? Like they

they created this big chasm and then it's just

gonna come back together and line up and just

smooth out and fit perfectly that's not how science

works more physics and Why is Ram in a bad guy

in this episode And then also he man literally

destroyed a tree And then threw it in the path

of butthead I still can't believe there's a character

named butthead Where's Beavis when you really

need him and how does the tree stop butthead?

I just go around it Yeah, really? Ram and I'm

gonna call him Ram and what about you good or

bad moments? I Already said it earlier Tila's

back and looking very Prince Adam ish with all

the pink This might be the most evil Skeletor

has done yet We see that he's feeling like he

needs to take over from flog so I like that part

As far as he being a subordinate like there's

a lot more episodes where he's just in charge

and he doesn't ask for permission these days

Because because there are some episodes where

he's like I will oh, I mean we we will take over

like right For bad moments you're right Mars

a jealous bitch, but the rhyming. Oh my god the

roughly no Just no no wheelie. Thank you very

much. I like wheelie Anything else from you no,

that's it What about Havokstaff or Power Swords?

Havokstaff to Tila just on principle because

it's Tila and Mara for being a jealous bitch

in the beginning. Power Sword to Skeletor because

it's Skeletor and this is very middle ground

for me so what about you for awards? I have a

Havoc Staff for Mara as well, she was annoying.

I also have a Havoc Staff for the Mutants because

they definitely caused that cave -in and they

should have been a little bit smarter than that.

And a Power Sword for Tila because I enjoyed

seeing the Eternian connection. I think I'm going

to be a little bit more positive on this episode.

What kind of rating do you have on this one?

Three, it's very middle ground. It's not good,

not bad. It's not super horrible, but yeah. See,

I didn't... care necessarily for the storyline

with the Encyclopedia of Evil, even though it

let Skeletor do some funny things and be evil

and whatnot. But I really did like the Eternia

connection, the fact that he was missing it and

the fact that we got Tila. I would love seeing

more characters. I know we're not going to, but

I would love seeing like a Man -at -Arms or Orko

or Battlecat or anybody. But so we got Tila.

Not my first choice, but it's still somebody.

So I'm going to be out of four on this one. I

enjoyed that aspect of it enough to give it a

positive score. So, alright, we're going to take

a quick break. Nothing negative yet. We'll see

what happens in the next episode when we get

into episode 36, A Plague Upon Primus. Damn it,

Unicron! All right last up today's episode 36

a plague upon Primus written by David Bennett

Karen and J Larry Carroll With the help of anxiety

gas, Skeletor can change all men of Primus into

trembling cowards. The gas has the opposite effect

on the women of Primus and mutants. When the

mutants attack, the women must defend their homeland.

So we have a MacGuffin that's going to take all

the men out of the equation and it's going to

be up to women and mutants to battle it out.

What do you think? In quality rules, I guess

I don't like it feels this whole episode it felt

like That old commercial whatever men can do

women can do better kind of thing and I get it

It's it's the plot of the episode. It's the fact

that Skeletor has created this thing that he

believes will Destroy the entire planet because

I'm sure in Skeletor's mind. He's a male chauvinist

pig that doesn't think women can do anything

of course this is the nineties women were breaking

out in the nineties i mean you know she read

her series in the eighties jim had a serious

news there plenty i'm sure i'm you know i know

sailor moon was big in the nineties was always

been big but specifically that i remember sailor

moon in the nineties that's all women kind of

like but this episode is like really that's what

you're gonna do with it Honestly this should

have been the plot for last episode and this

should have been you know the benefit of Tila

being around is that she would be able to help

defend things and kind of save the day, but They

didn't do that So I don't it's weird that you

would have a plot one episode before where Tila's

here And then the next episode after Tila's gone

you're gonna have one that they need women to

defend themselves, so I don't know So that would

have been a better way to do things in my mind,

but this is not a type of plot that I'm going

to get on board with. Why does this thing only

work on men? Why are mutants and women immune?

It's just too convenient. It's too contrived.

I'm not a fan of the plot, so it would have not

at all executed fairly well for me to enjoy this

episode So let's take a quick break and see if

they did execute it well, or if this one fell

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Mike, what do you think? Not a good sign. Oh

lord. I mean, I like that they're spotlighting

women, but I think they're doing it in a very...

disjointed wrong incorrect kind of way uh...

i think that this is so sad i think what they

try to do is they try to take the premise of

masters of the universe and princes of power

and meld them together whereas in masters of

the universe the original formation series most

the time it was the men doing all the work in

the women not doing much and then in shira it

was all the women doing all the work and the

men made to look like you know puny wimps i think

that's what they tried to do here is combine

both of those premises and make one episode and

they thought it was going to be good and it's

really not and i mean contrived is about the

only word i can use to this episode it's just

so forced and so set up in a fake way um that

really the only good thing i can talk about with

this episode is just give me more glee yeah Him

I would like to see more of him. So that was

a bright spot in the episode There is a big animation

here at the beginning of this episode With Skeletor's

mouth moving, but it's not him talking It was

on for like a good five ten seconds. So that's

not very good I don't understand why this has

no effect on mutants or women They don't really

explain that too much and this episode is god

-awful boring. Mm -hmm pretty much. Yeah mean

Havoc staff to everybody I don't know like I

didn't write any awards down at all like just

So bad, and it's gonna get worse next week really

is Wake me when it's over. I'm going to get my

beauty sleep So those are yeah this episode.

Oh my god. What did you have for havoc and power

and on awards? I just have a power sword for

Gleap. Like I said, it was the only good moment

for me in this in the episode because otherwise

this episode was born I think this is like the

first episode probably in two or three Podcasts

that we've done, you know Especially during the

second half that I've come down negative on because

I've been pretty positive since yeah We kind

of hit the halfway mark, but this was garbage

Yeah, it really really was Rating I'm at one

and a half on this one one and a half. I'm at

a one all right, it's just There's just too much

wrong with this episode. Yeah, so let's not pay

too much attention to this. We'll act like this

one didn't happen, take a quick break, and give

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and next week. It's not gonna get any better

Here's you're showing your hands sir. Yeah It

was such a positive, like, halfway point. We've

had, like, five or six good episodes in a row,

and I was starting to think, like, oh, the whole

second half is gonna be what people were talking

about when they talk about... Ooh! Technical

difficulties. Let's move on, shall we? We are

back here on Powers of Grayskull series, Masters

in Space, episode 94. And, folks, we ended on

a really bad episode today, and it's only gonna

get worse, I think. Yeah, you know we're creeping

our way towards 100 here on 94 and I was a I

was thinking real positive So far for the second

half like we've had like I don't know three or

four podcasts in a row that I've been pretty

positive on the episodes and I was starting to

think like oh the second half is what people

were talking about when They say you know the

series is good and this had neither because I've

enjoyed Quite a few episodes lately, but maybe

it was too good to last maybe we're about to

go down a bad path Yeah, I think we are Yeah.

I'm not worried. I'm just waiting for the shoe

to just, you know, come slimming into our faces,

because holy crap, it's going to. This was episode

35, so there's only 36, so we're down to like

29 left. Is that what it is? Something like that.

I don't know. We're over halfway. Yeah. Over

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