A Time to Leave, The Games, Flog’s Revenge, and The Final Invasion

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solo and welcome to the 106 and 107th chapter

in our powers of gray skull series with me for

this journey into the masters of the universe

franchise once again tfg on mike hello hello

are you ready for another trip to space sir you

need to rephrase that are you ready for the final

voice thank you It's the final countdown. Stop.

You know what? I would rather listen to that

song on repeat than watch this cartoon series

ever again. We did the unthinkable guys. We have

achieved the impossible. That's right. We have

made our way through all of the episodes of the

new adventures of He -Man. We will finish today.

Why? Because we were so close to the finish line

guys that we just have to say we're going to

get it over in one fell swoop here. We can't

drag it out any longer. We can't hold back the

anticipation to get to a new series any longer.

We have good stuff waiting in the wings. We have

to finish today. So we are going to give you

a double Episode that's right. We're gonna do

106 and then we're gonna take a quick break and

come right back with episode 107 So yeah, it's

kind of like that time back in shero when we

did episode 76 and 77 as a double shot of episode

because about sixes and sevens Well, yeah, it's

that but 76 77 was the two episodes where you

know, Bo's magical gift made glimmer come home

So that was that anyway, no, hey It's one of

those things where hey, we found a really really

bad innuendo and she liked it anyways in this

episode of Masters in space in this first half

I should say we're gonna be giving you our thoughts

on The following two episodes. It's episode 62

and episode 63 They're titled a time to leave

which yes. It is a time to leave this series

and The games so we hope you're ready because

it's time for almost the last time to go back

in space. All right, first up today is episode

62, A Time to Leave. A more apropos name could

not have been found. This is written by Jack

Olesker, as are all of the remaining episodes

that we will be talking about. I have to say,

before we get too far into A Time to Leave and...

This entire thing should have been a four part

it technically is a four part ending to the series

I mean hell even the episodes before this Crellis

and whatever the hell else You know after them

their hills whatever episodes were after that

call to the games and then blacksmith of Crellis,

so let's say call the games blacksmith of Crellis

a time to leave Whatever the other one is the

games flogs revenge and those six episodes should

have been like one of those epic 80s multi -part

like more than meets the eye or secret of the

sword or you know something big and It just feels

really broken up Yeah, it's it's weird the way

that they decided to do this because it's basically

like I don't know it seems like they're going

this one direction we're gonna have this like

multi story and then it was like wait what we're

not doing that but then it was like just like

step by step it was like this episodes only gonna

deal with them planning to leave and then this

episode is gonna deal with them leaving and then

this episode is gonna deal with the actual games

finally it's kind of yeah it's kind of interesting

it's kind of all very sadly anti -climactic is

what it is really Yeah, I mean that too. Notes

for whatever this one is. A time to leave. Yes.

What did you think first off? What did you think

of this episode? The only thing I wrote down

for it was that there are some great lines in

the episode, but overall it's too damn late for

creating any kind of character depth. It just

felt like... One half of an episode. It didn't

even really feel like it was obviously a full

22 minute episode, but the entire time I'm like

Where are they leaving to? When are we gonna

see the journey? What's going on? This is 22

minutes of hell. Oh my god. I mean I can understand

if they were you know Standing in line at the

airport for 22 minutes waiting to leave, but

they're like preparing in this and that and whatever

I Yeah Here's the thing like they have all these

episodes that are somewhat connected to each

other with all these like Kind of, uh, ongoing

multi -part thing going here. So there was plenty

of time to do some development. There was plenty

of time to work on certain characters, et cetera.

But this one's again weird because it's kind

of, you know, one of those right in the middle

of all of this that's going on and they're introducing

another new character. And then like he very

quickly goes bad without a whole lot of motivation

or reasoning, if I'm remembering correctly. Um,

so I don't know. It was just, it's weird. I just

feel like they could have done so much more with

these six episodes like I like that There's some

interconnectivity between them But I just feel

like some of this stuff could have been more

fleshed out like we had so many new characters

that were introduced in the final like six to

eight episodes of this series and We just keep

bouncing around from one to one to the other

to the other and it's like I Could we spend like

five minutes with one and then get to learn a

little bit about them. So Found this would kind

of be a little bit of the middle of the road

which is gonna sound like a broken record because

that's where I've been at for I mean if you go

back here Let's go back a few episodes Queen's

Gambit 2 .5. There's gems in these hills 3 the

call to the game is 2 .5 the blacksmith of Crellis

2 .5 and now a time to leave another 2 .5 like

I'm It's all middle of the road right now for

me. Yeah I have to say, we're getting to the

end. I know we're not at the end yet, but it

feels like the producers, the writer, because

I can't say writers, because yes, there were

a couple other writers, but let's all face it,

Jack Olesker was the guy. You know, whoever else

was behind this. Not counting the voice performances

because that's the whole other thing the actual

Genesis and being of the show mm -hmm It feels

like it's a Hail Mary that they were trying to

do with something new and something different

which it really isn't all that different Okay,

sure put him in in space. That's kind of different,

but how many times does he man go to space in

both? He man and Shira. I mean hell going to

shira it's an entire different planet it's you

know it's not it's not like it's not a theory

and attorney are on the same planet and the freight

zone is that one corner of the state mounds and

another castle grayskills and another in the

palace of power or the palace of bright moon

or whatever the hell is it is in the it's not

like it's four corners of the same world it's

all different world so technically he man has

been in space before he just hasn't been solely

in space or solely off of attorney until the

show and it just feels like fumbled the ball

at the at the you know at at the one goal line

or something or they have missed the slap shot

or they missed the three -pointer or they'd struck

out in bed whatever sports analogy you want to

put into it at the end of this having gone back

and watched it all again and not had my childhood

preconceived notions of when i watched it as

a child just looking at it as an adult this is

a bad cartoon series i mean this isn't just a

it's a bad cartoon series overall but it's a

direction for he -man that i would have never

wanted yes i understand the toy line the this

the that the cartoon series the she or the whatever

with filmation it went away or like all things

do like you know I mean Transformers went away

for a while and came back with Beast Wars and

Beast Wars was a huge success and I think this

was... We always talk about, you know, the Unicron

trilogy and how parts of that are fumbles in

Transformers and I personally think this is the...

Nothing in the New Adventures of He -Man, in

my personal opinion, the cartoon... Helped to

save the Masters of the Universe franchise Beast

Wars helped save Transformers the 2007 live -action

film say what you want to say about the Michael

Bay universe Whatever I say that shit, too. I

don't care point is Without the billions of dollars

that the Michael Bay Transformers movies have

put into it I don't know what Transformers would

look like right now as far as a overall franchise.

I'm not sure yes, it's a thing of you know and

I would have rather of them do something like

what they did with Back to the Future. You have

the three movies, you have the animated series,

the animated series kind of continued but told

you different stories based on the characters

from the three movies with the whole Bill Nye

the Science Guy, Doc Brown kind of, you know,

Beakman's World kind of live action bits. You

know what you do? You take the 87 characters...

or whatever, put them into a series and the continuing

struggles of He -Man and Skeletor and whatever,

and do that. Don't just... Yeah, I mean, I don't

think the premise on its own is terrible. Like,

I get the whole idea of, hey, we're gonna continue

this, but we're gonna shift to a different location,

so that's fine. If you wanna do it in space,

that's good. If it's like this little adventure,

like, hey... humans you know from a theory or

attorney and we're gonna have this one series

where you know we're gonna transport some of

these characters to another thing they're gonna

meet some new people go through this and then

eventually they're gonna wrap up and come back

like okay that's fine and dandy on surface value

but the problem is is the only characters you

took basically are human and and uh... skeletor

with the exception of uh... the sorceress I mean,

you have Tila that shows up very briefly in one

episode, but basically, you're just talking about

two main characters that are showing up. I get

it, it's the main hero and the main villain,

but to me, that's too manufactured. Like, I would

have rather it had, like, a group. Like, you

have, and you could have done a number of different

things here. You could have just taken a main

group from He -Man. Like, let's say, like, almost

think of, like, an away team from Star Trek.

Like, you have, you're, like, four or five people,

and they're on something, they get transported

in here, and it's their journey to try to get

back. Like, that would have sold me. But you

don't, you just take He -Man, which is odd. The

other thing you could have done, you could have

taken a mixture of, since you had He -Man and

you had She -Ra and they're both over, take a

page out of what you did with the Secret of the

Sword or whatever and start combining your worlds

a little bit. Take a couple of the fan favorites

from She -Ra, a couple He -Man characters, have

them be together and go off on this journey.

That's fine. Or... Third option, you have the

live action movie which had toy character, toy

figures that were made out of some of the characters

there. There was new characters there that we

got introduced to, both villains and heroes.

You could have done something with them if you

really wanted to and build off of them. We've

just been introduced to them, just that one movie.

So you could have done a lot of different things.

The fact that they just took just He -Man and

just Skeletor. put them in this thing and then

it's just like they couldn't pick a lane you

have are we gonna do stuff with the scientists

are we gonna do stuff with the robots are we

gonna do stuff with the mutants um you know and

then we have this whole other planet that's been

involved in all these different races in the

last six to eight episodes like they just couldn't

just they couldn't pick a where to go like i

i appreciate that they got to finally where they

did in the end which we'll talk about shortly

but Yeah, it's just a miss. It's not even on

the one yard line. This is a kickoff where the

kicker missed the ball. It's Charlie Brown. The

ball got yanked. Lucy took the ball away, and

you missed. So you were on the field. You had

some of the players. The ball never got put into

play. We're going to take a... Quick second and

we're gonna come back and see if it got any better

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the games before we start Mike I never let you

give a rating for a time to leave. I was at a

2 .5. What did you give that one? One and a half

one and a half. All right, so we finally get

to the games after all this Planning and plotting

and trying to leave and assembling our teams

and whatnot and we're gonna be doing this whole

thing with all these like Contests, so I don't

have a problem with this Type of episode we've

seen this and like I said multiple different

things where you have an episode where somebody's

testing you and you're gonna be doing these Various

games your various contests various Challenges

whatever you want to call it. So that's fine,

especially for just a short, you know 2022 minute

episode or whatever the heck you want to do What

do you think of the games though? in execution

Anticlimactic like i felt like there was no consequence

either way no it felt okay so as i'm recording

this as we are recording this this will be out

much later but as of right now this recording

when we're recording this march 25th 2019 at

8 10 pm central time I have been doing my Beverly

Hills 90210 rewatch in memory of Luke Perry.

I am now up to season 3 of that show. I am now

up to the season 3 episode where they emulate

and kind of copy It's a Wonderful Life. It's

the one where the two little stars in the sky

go around and it's the bus with the kids and

the this and the that. Okay, so... And you've

seen this kind of plot elsewhere, you've got

these two guys, whatever the hell their names

are, in New Adventures of He -Man, who want to

see, you know, good guys versus bad guys, who's

the better? Think of, you may or may not know

of this, I don't know if you do, you're not that

big of a comic guy. In the 90s, Marvel and DC

teamed up to do DC vs. Marvel, where you had

two guys getting together, good guys and bad

guys, and fighting each other to see who had

the best will or the best strength. That's what

this reminds me of, these games. And then after

the games are completed or won or defeated or

whatever, these people won't let them leave because

they're lonely? Here's the problem. Alright,

like you said you can have a series or an episode

that has Let's face it everything that we almost

everything that we watch or consume in media

these days whether it's TV shows movies, you

know, whatever it might be Shorts miniseries,

etc. They're all based off of not based but they

all are influenced by things that came before

them Yeah, that's just a thing. You're never

going to escape that. So people that are like,

oh, you know, I want something original. Well,

it's hard to be original, you know, hundreds

of years after people started creating stories

and stuff like that. There's only so many stories

that can be told. So we do it in different ways.

We wrap it up in different packages. We, you

know, we put bows on it. We try to disguise it,

et cetera, which is fine, you know, because they

can all be entertaining in different ways. You

know, even take an exact, almost replica. Take,

I don't know, just for shits and giggles, take

the animated Beauty and the Beast and then live

-action Beauty and the Beast. It's literally

taking the exact same story. It's not hiding

it. It's like, hey, this is a retelling of the

exact same story. We're just going to package

it up in a different way. And that's fine. It

can be successful. People can enjoy it, et cetera.

What I have a problem with is when you don't

put enough effort in disguising what you're being

influenced by, where it just comes across more

as a blatant, lazy... We're gonna do something

that's already been done and we're not even gonna

try to do a different type thing And this series

has been doing that a whole lot like it from

the get it's been Doing a whole lot of Star Wars

stuff It's been doing you know various things

that we pointed out throughout the episodes and

this is a freaking Wizard of Oz story Yeah it

is. Like this is literally a group of people

that are being brought together to do something

and in the end we pull the curtain back and find

the men behind the curtain. Like and that for

some reason rubbed me the wrong way with how

it was done in this episode and I was looking

forward to where this was all going. We have

all this build up with the games and whatever

and then they're just gonna do a freaking Wizard

of Oz thing. So I was put off by this episode

and I did not like it at all. Yeah no I didn't

at all. Like I was expecting some big giant battle

with he -man and Skeletor or with flip shot and

flog or Not Snorlax that's a Pokemon Which that

you know between Snorlax and Jigglypuff this

episode put us to sleep Hydra and Well, Flog,

or Slush Head, or Trita, or whatever. Like, I

was expecting more of a battle than what we got.

Like, we got more of a battle in an episode previously

to this than what we did here. Alright. Yeah,

I was disappointed big time. This one's a one

and a half for me. I did not enjoy this episode

at all. Straight zero. If I could give it a negative

ten, I would. Ouch. Ouch. Yeah, straight zero.

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So it's gotta be good. Alright, we're back and

this is episode 107 in which we're gonna be talking

about episodes 64 and 65, the final two New Adventures

of He -Man episodes. Are you ready, Mike? You

could say this is our final adventure into the

crappy universe that is... Primus or it only

gets better from here folks. We know what you

know You know what would have you know what would

have made this the ending series so much better

impossible dream what uh -huh if Unicron came

in and ate both planets Yeah, where's the planet

eater when you need him? Yep. All right. Well,

let's start with flogs revenge Do you know how

much I was ripping on the games? I didn't go

in depth, but I didn't like it This is actually

a decent carryover from an episode from a previous

episode not necessarily the games But it's like

a decent carryover from you know, some of the

stuff we've been seeing recently So I actually

didn't mind this episode. What did you think

of flogs revenge? How is this supposed to be

his revenge like this entire episode I'm waiting

for flog to get his revenge and There's no revenge

Like, it should have been called, you know, He

-Man Would Be Dead series over because he didn't

wear a space helmet. I mean, like... I was so

confused as to this episode's point, other than

the fact that they're still on the planet, they're

still stuck or whatever the hell it is kind of

thing. Like, that's... I don't know, I thought

it was a big step up from the last two episodes.

It was entertaining I'm just saying the whole

Like flogs revenge thing like you know Skeletor

puts some you know Kool -aid in his gas tank

or something and he wants to get revenge That's

a revenge kind of thing or a Skeletor finally

stopped being his bitch and Skeletor, you know

double crossed him or something and flog got

mad enough to where he wanted to get revenge.

The point is, Flog is too stupid of a character

to really want to get revenge on anybody. Yeah,

I can see that. Yeah, the title might not have

been the best, but I thought the episode was

good. I like the connections it made to some

of the previous stuff. I thought it was entertaining

enough. I'm all the way up to a four on this

one. Two and a half. Wow. We can't get you to...

Nope. It's not gonna happen. It's just I'm sorry.

It's before for me and we're heading in the right

direction right here at the end So let's see

here. I don't need to talk about Fox revenge

anymore than that though. So it's it's a four

It's decent episode. It could have been as bad

as the last one and said it took it up a notch

for me. So final episode Mike amply entitled

the final invasion Final invasion episode 65.

We don't need a break. We're going right into

it What did you think of our final invasion in

the New Adventures of He -Man? Are we ending

on a positive note? I wish they would have done

it a different way. I wish that Primus would

have had some sort of happy ending. He -Man,

Skeletor, and the Mutants would have all gone

back to Eternia, and they tried invading Eternia.

So we kind of get back to what we knew. Like,

yes, in the beginning of this series, yes, He

-Man and Skeletor are from a place called Eternia.

Yes, He -Man followed Skeletor or whatever it

was through the spaceways and things like that,

but I wish this had more of a He -Man, Masters

of the Universe vibe to it. than what it was.

Yeah, I could see that. I do like how it is obviously,

again, connected to a lot of this stuff. I do

like that the series actually was able to finish

like they knew this was the end. So we get, we

actually get an ending to the series. That's

a huge pot that a lot of series don't get. Couple

questions. Mara has super hair? Apparently. So

I didn't know that was a thing, but so at 65,

they bust out the fact that Mara not only is,

you know, at the same time that she's been obviously

this almost new character in the last 10 episodes,

but she has super hair. So that was missing the

other 64 episodes. Mutants are just gonna surrender?

Yep. All right. And no staff for Skeletor. It

was that easy for He -Man? Apparently. So...

There were some anti -climactic parts to this,

maybe some questions, but guess what, Mike? It's

the final episode, and there was a finish to

it, and it's over, so that alone made me give

this one a four. What? A four. It's over. Three

at best. Thank God. It's over. Thank God it's

over. It had an end. It can't come back. They

ended it. There's no cliffhangers. There's no,

oh, let's redo this later on and come back to

this. No, it's over. The story can be done. We

never need to revisit it. The final invasion

happened. It's over. I like the way it ended.

Number four. That's the rating for me. I'll give

it a three. Yes, it ended. Yes, it's this. Yes,

it's that. That's great. We did it. Tune in next

week folks when we actually enjoy shit again.

okay so as we've kind of i've kind of talked

about this episode so far in this double shot

here i don't have the same childlike holy shit

that's not my he -man holy shit michael bay fucked

up my he -man or whatever anymore that is the

react you know the that's not my he man that's

the reaction i had as a kid and i still you know

can live with that a little bit but having gone

through all sixty five episodes as i've said

previously there were several good moments there

were several funny moments the series skeletor

is easily the best character uh... sometimes

he man had some good lines thank god you get

you get saying about the the the attempted character

development the last ten episodes thank god the

last ten episodes for the most part they dropped

the fucking scientists uh... but overall this

is a show that i can wash my hands with bleach

of and never watch again yeah i will never be

watching the show again ever there's There's

a lot of shows that I go back to for not only

nostalgia purposes, but just to have something.

Honestly, whether it's summer, whether it's winter,

whether it's Christmas vacation, whatever, if

I'm not watching any of my current shows on TV

like The Voice or Supergirl or The CW shows or

whatever, if they're on hiatus or whatever, I'll

go back and try to find something that I've seen

X number of years ago or whatever. Like I just

said earlier, I'm in the middle of watching a

whole thing on Beverly Hills 90210. You know,

it's one of those things where this is not one

of those Like we like we've said in the first

82 episodes of this podcast over the last seven

years There are certain episodes of both filmation

He -Man and She -Ra not counting secret of the

sword that we can go back to and enjoy and want

to watch them There is not a single episode in

here That I would actually want to go back and

watch to remember how awful this show is yeah,

like eat like yes We're not doing this, but let's

say we were at the end of this whole thing like

doing obviously at the end of the filmation He

made we did our top episodes and our favorite

episodes the worst favorite episodes at least

you know all that time We did a bunch of us.

We did the same thing for Shira. We're not gonna

do the same thing for this but Let's say we did

one at the end of the entire podcast and words

like hey your top ten He -Man episodes across

all the different series if we were to do something

like that I guarantee you even if you took the

highest rated episode that I did in the new adventures

None of these episodes would make that list.

Oh, no So I mean like I said a second ago moments

with Skeletor like lines from Skeletor some of

the lines that I keep putting into this into

these podcast edits and and honestly I'm gonna

be honest with everybody cuz I'm I've always

been kind of transparent with a lot of this shit

I have put almost the exact same edit I know

for a fact on episodes 101 to 103 the exact same

clips are in each episode because I edited it

all at once and I did not change any of the like

Skeletor saying this isn't gonna even be worth

watching that's in all three of those episodes

probably in the same damn place each time I like

Skeletor is the shining light on this series

for me his moments his lines his quotes whatever

you want to say you know right that's the best

part of this series the rest of it can die in

the biggest dumpster fire that this country is

ever seen which means it has to go to the White

House pretty much that's all folks on that note

so take it away Mike I can I can breathe again.

We're actually gonna go back to attorney of folks

Coming up in a couple of weeks because we need

a couple of weeks time to kind of prepare ourselves

for the goodness That is he man and the Masters

of the universe from 2002 this aired on Cartoon

Network We'll go through all of the infestations

about the series in the next episode Kevin will

have all of that for you guys, but we're finally

getting to the mo to 2002 series And it's gonna

be awesome. We are calling the next iteration

of the powers of Grayskull, Masters of Grayskull.

So we've had Tales of Eternia, Myths of Etheria,

Masters in Space, and Masters of Grayskull. We've

had a Toe, a Moe, a Myths, and a Mog. Where's

Barf when you really need him? Or a Log. No.

What is it rodents of unusual size? Russ? No,

that's not what it is. I don't know what you're

talking about. Anyways, somebody knows out there.

Don't make me send a killer tomato after you.

Somebody out there got that reference. So we're

going to be starting that. I'm actually going

to end this podcast with the theme song for...

the 2002 theme song after we're finished recording

this. I'm going to put all of my Masters in Space

files outside of the ones I haven't edited yet

into the retired GCRN podcast folder, because

that's where it needs to be. And yeah, trust

us, folks. We will be a hell of a lot more positive

next time. It's a new day. New day. Get your

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not a few kinds like supermarket Time to make

the donuts. I made the donuts. Dunkin' Donuts,

up to 52 varieties fresh day and night. No supermarket

can say that. What the hell was that? Uh, coin

counter in the other room. Coin counter? Yeah.

That's what Coinstar is for. What? Coinstar.

You know where you take your pennies to count

them up to get money from it? Real cash, not

just pennies. Coinstar? I've never heard of such

nonsense. You seriously have never heard of Coinstar?

It's been around forever. It's this machine in

a grocery store. You go in and you put all your

loose change into it, it'll count up and pay

you cash. Interesting. Yeah. I am Adam, Prince

of Eternia, defender of the secrets of Castle

Grayskull. This is Cringer, my fearless friend.