Is Tarantino The Answer?, Why A Complete Reboot Is Good & The Orville

Hello and welcome to Future Imperfect. I'm your

host, Admiral Phillips, and joining me in this

episode is Mike Boothninja Powers of AlteredGeek

to discuss the latest news of Tarantino stepping

on board to Trek, Star Trek Discovery, and whether

Trek should do a total and clean reboot, as well

as their thoughts on the Orville. I'll listen

more on Future Imperfect. And this is a specific

segment from this show, Altered Geek. So if you're

listening to this week's Altered Geek, this will

also be on that show, so just letting you know

on that. So without further ado, here's the clip.

Yeah, I think we're gonna go to Star Trek Tarantino.

Even though I kind of touched on it last episode

a little bit, I didn't get... many other people's

opinions on it. Don't know like okay the state

of Star Trek as it stands right now. I Don't

see how this Hurts the property It already hurt

itself a long time ago so and that and that's

what I'm saying like anyone that anyone that

I feel like anyone that looks at this is like

a a bad thing for Star Trek like Star Trek hasn't

been Star Trek since like what? 2005. Like Voyager

and Deep Space Nine? Even Enterprise wasn't that

bad. I've recently gone back and rewatched it

all and it actually fits with continuity. Right,

I liked Enterprise. Don't get me wrong, I liked

Enterprise but I'm just thinking like good Star

Trek is what? Considered to be like it ended

with Voyager? Pretty much. Deep Space Nine? Voyager.

the franchise you know i don't have a problem

with what he's gonna with whatever he would want

to do and the fact that they want to make it

rated r i think that is just i feel like that's

okay i feel like that's two things that's one

not trying to pigeonhole tarantino into any one

thing okay um because it basically gives him

free rein free rein to do to tell whatever story

he wants to tell Okay. Because the Rated R could

mean, it doesn't necessarily mean, it could just

mean something as simple as like, extended violence

and explosions. Yeah, I mean it's whatever the

MPAA wants to make Rated R that week. So, you

know, but it could allow him to produce a movie

that isn't, like he could start trying to film

a movie without having to worry about restrictions

being placed on him. Okay? And I forget what

the other side of that was gonna be Or it could

also just be them trying to capitalize on the

whole like Rated R craze that's going on right

now that we saw with daredevil and Logan Deadpool

I didn't mean I meant to say Deadpool. Yeah,

which is what popularized the whole thing Right

So I it could be them trying to like capitalize

on that with this franchise or it could be like

you said Maybe he's trying to do what was the

future imperfect stuff? Or the alternate universe

Well, I'm wondering if he's he could be doing

the mirror universe. That's what it was and I

could see Tarantino pulling off a really good

mirror universe because he usually does a lot

of dark characters Granted I'm not a fan of anything

he's done. So I think that that kind of Impairs

my judgment a little bit. I like I like I Like

the portrayal I like what he's able to get out

of his actors Like and I'm not like for example

example Christoph Waltz I really like him in

Inglorious Basterds. I can watch the scene where

he's eating the slice of pie across from the

female protagonist. And he's just eating a pie

and having a conversation with her. I can watch

that scene like I would watch Bran and Ralf catch

a falling airplane in Superman Returns. Like

and I get the same joy out of just watching that

scene Because it's I I think it's a killer performance

so I think I think that's what you know when

I'm always intrigued by what Tarantino can bring

What he could do because You know, I might not

go like all his movies are amazing But I like

what he's able to what he's able to get out of

his performances Yeah, and and for a and I feel

like he does characters really well and I feel

like that's kind of what the Like I like with

the exception of Into Darkness, I like the most

recent You know, I enjoy the most recent Star

Trek movies. Yeah, Star Trek Beyond actually

was really good despite people I Think I think

it got bad rap because it darkness was so bad

See, I like Beyond, you and I talked at length

about Into Darkness, and I didn't really have

a problem with the original Star Trek. No. So

like, but they're not, you're getting characters

that are just like, the actors are just playing

the characters that came before with subtle little

twists on them. Yeah. And so I think it would

be interesting to see just... Tarantino be see

if Tarantino can breathe life into actual Star

Trek characters that aren't just trying to Pay

homage to What came over cast? Yeah, see this

is this is my My my silt box at this point because

I've seen and I don't know if you've watched

Star Trek discovery or not But I'm at this point

now with with Star Trek that I wish that they

would stop trying to reconnect it with the original

continuity and the original shows because it

had a specific look a specific feel a specific

writing style Whether it be in characters or

everything else and it's certain aesthetics that

they all had kind of uniformity between all of

them even through you know enterprise and When

you got the rebooted JJ Abrams, bright, shiny,

more explosions, more space opera, Star Wars

than classic Star Trek, I feel like the pendulum

for it switched and they should have done a fresh,

brand new crew, brand new ships, brand new, just

reboot the entire universe, start over from scratch,

not... giving them free reign to not have to

carry over any element of the original and tweak

it however they saw fit for the new generation

that's out now so that they aren't trying to

pigeonhole themselves and fit into this continuity

of stuff from the last 50 some years. I agree

with that 100%. Because I feel like, and this

is my pet peeve with Discovery is, There's so

many glaring plot holes, despite their saying

that they're gonna explain it all, of not only

to technology differences, but aesthetics. And

they claim that there's this massive attention

to detail that it's gonna fit with continuity,

but it takes place 10 years before the original

series. And the Klingons have this totally different...

aesthetic which looks nothing like the stuff

from Enterprise or the original series or anything

that comes before or after. And then they've

got all this super high -tech technology that's

in the show doesn't matter what Starship it's

just they're all super high -tech which dwarfs

everything even in the the next generation through

Voyager and Deep Space Nine. Timeline which is

you know 150 years later basically and It like

I said it takes place ten years before the original

series and they show the cage the episode the

original pilot with Captain Pike and Their technology

looks like it's Way older than what we're getting

in this show So like I just find so many continuity

issues. I don't know why they chose to do a prequel

But I felt like if and I watched I go into the

show watching it pretending it doesn't it's not

in continuity. It's its own thing Which helps

me enjoy it in a different light than sitting

there trying to put? Fit it into the continuity

of the show I Get that And I agree with you again

that it should not have it should be its own

thing. It shouldn't have been a prequel um Because

on its own it's fine, and they they have Netflix

behind it They have the all -access they they

don't have the you know they can it's mature

rated I'm not particularly fond of what they

did with the Klingons and particularly it was

the midseason that they Had like nude cling on

and I was like, okay, I didn't really need that

but Like I get I get the language like they you

know, whatever they can do what they want on

that but it was distasteful. I don't know. I

feel like We've talked about this before about

what this was originally supposed to be which

was an anthology series And they've they've essentially

done that because they've got chapter one and

chapter two for the season one uh where it's

two different story arcs because they they wrapped

up story arc one and they've started story arc

two now but it's the same crew no see that's

not but that's not that's not any different than

what agents of shield did for a couple of seasons

yeah and and i wish that they just wipe out the

crew every season and then start over yeah to

me to me an anthology series is something like

american horror story or it's something like

uh true detective like it is a it is completely

different character. American Horror Story does

it by bringing back the same actors portraying

different characters, which is fun because you

get to see the acting range. But like True Detective

did it by, you know, they completely changed

it up. And I'm not I'm not going to trump it

on, you know, share, you know, talk about, you

know, whether or not True Detective season two

was any good or not. But like it. To me, that's

what an anthology series is. It's two seasons

of a show that have nothing to do with each other,

other than title. They're not linked in any way.

They can be set in different time periods. But

we've talked about this. We've beaten this. This

is a dead horse between you and I. Yeah. And

that's why I kind of wish that they would have

just done the Department of Temporal... Something

just so that they could have had maybe somebody,

you know, like even an enterprise, you know agent

Daniel's like follow him around or something,

you know is all of Discovery going to be on Netflix

at any point. No It's going to be on CBS all

access exclusively In the United States in in

Canada and it's gonna be on something else I

think they've got like space network and then

everywhere else it's like Netflix but I believe

you know you know where else it is where that

torn yeah I know I I don't know I can't there's

I will not pay the six dollars or ten dollars

a month for their stupid app to watch a show

that should be on cable I said earlier that my

wife and I have started, we subscribe to Hulu,

we subscribe to Netflix, and we subscribe to

HBO. You get a grab bag of different networks.

I also said that we will cancel a subscription

once we're caught up on something. If we can't

find anything to watch, we'll cancel it until

the next season of Westworld comes out or something.

If there's nothing for you to watch or you've

already binged everything there is to watch,

there's no reason for you to keep paying $8,

$10, $15 for a service until the next season

comes out, right? But I'm not willing to cancel

one of my services right now just to sign up

for CBS All Access just to watch Star Trek Discovery.

Yeah, I'm the same boat. And honestly, it's not

that good. To be honest, it's not. But I don't

feel like I'm getting solid performances out

of the actors. They have elements where they

are, if that episode's specifically written for

that person. But the rest of the characters feel

flat if that happens. Well, you know, that's

that that's what you want out of a show right

you want flat characters. Yeah, and I've And

like I said, they still haven't they're like,

oh we've got You know ten years of continuity

that we're gonna we're gonna make it right before

the original series kicks in and I'm like you

still haven't explained how things started out

looking totally different like it's I don't know.

I just have so many issues with the show. It

marrs my ability to watch it without having this

tedious eye to examine every aspect of it. I'm

grabbing the first few episodes of it right now.

I have the first whole chapter one of Up to the

Midseason if you want it, but... No, I got it.

I will say the first two episodes, while they

matter, the third episode is technically the

pilot because the first two episodes, it basically

sets the premise for chapter one and like for

the whole, you know, up to mid -season story

arc, but it's... It's irrelevant, essentially,

up to episode three. That's nice. They're just

dragging, like, emotional baggage. So. And there's

such flip flopping on on how the characters are

portrayed between episode to episode. It's it's

a mess, but I'll discuss that with you after

you've seen. Yeah. So I flip side real quick,

though, my wife and I have been enjoying Orville.

I'd love the Orville That has been Pretty fun.

I don't know how many episodes were behind. I

don't know remember the last one we saw but that

one that one has been very Like I said, both

my wife and I have enjoyed that one. How far

have you seen it so far? I would have to look

up an episode guide to tell you I think we've

seen like How many episodes have there been there's

12 in season one I want to say we've maybe seen

nine Okay It's it's it's it sticks pretty good

and I feel like we we get more of Star Trek out

of it with more of a modern touch, but it's got

the Very much the writing and the aesthetic and

the feel of like the next generation Yeah Which

but it doesn't take itself too seriously either

Yeah, I will admit I was I was shocked by the

level of Material that they're Willing to cover

what is it the second episode they talk about

the basically the gender situation Yeah, and

then they talk about the social media like judging

people just based on you know an inconsequential

thing Yeah, I mean he took he hit some pretty

heavy topics which kind of reminds me in the

next generation Yep And they've even, you know,

you'll see more of it as the season progresses

and as it finishes out. But I'm glad I got a

season two and I really love that show. It's

kind of my. I feel I'm getting my Star Trek fix

by watching it, but I'm also getting like a few

natural laughs just based on the the writing

and the way that the characters portray the jokes.

Yeah, I don't I don't feel like it's a forced

laugh when I'm watching it. I'm genuinely like

Kind of like busting out laughing Right. So I

I don't feel like it's pandering to me at all.

So it's it's it's very entertaining to watch

Bringing it back around though, I don't think

Tarantino directing a Star Trek movie is a bad

thing So that's that's where I come down on I'm

not entirely sure yet, but I'll I'll wait and

reserve judgment. I know he did pitch an idea

to JJ Abrams And and they have who who then passed

that on to Paramount and they have a writing

staff Like a think tank I almost wonder How cool

would it have been if like they didn't say he

was going to do a Star Trek movie and They just

Shot a Star Trek movie. They put a trailer out

there and That's when you first heard that was

directed by Quentin Tarantino. See I think that

that would have I honestly I think that that

would Kind of take care of a lot of the People's

opinions of certain directors if they just shot

stuff and stop telling people everything Yeah,

like because it's like it's like Because you

have this preconceived notion on directors and

writers right off the get -go. Exactly. I'm guilty

of it. You know the other reason I'm really interested

to see this? I don't think Tarantino's ever done

a science fiction movie. No. That's the other

reason I'm interested in seeing this. And what

if it's not even like... starship well I've heard

rumors that and granted they wanted to bring

Chris Hemsworth back as Kirk's dad and do a time

travel piece but I've also heard that he wants

to do like a time travel type piece with it which

you know that's not any different than anything

in Star Trek as it is because they do a lot of

time travel But I mean, if you think about it,

come on, let's think about this logically, right?

The the Star Trek four is the time travel one,

and this would be the fourth could technically

be the fourth Star Trek movie in the new reboot.

I mean, they did Wrath of Khan for two. Why not

do a time travel one for number four? Well, they

did time travel on the first one. That that's

not the same thing, and you know it. They went

back in time and altered history. That's not.

That's not the same thing as the story for a

voyage home though. I know That that was kind

of a different take that I thought was kind of

unique So but yeah, I mean I'd be fine with it.

I mean after I've come down from my you know

outrage last week, but it's probably like the

whole Ben Affleck being Batman thing so it's

It's I think it's settled in now Yeah, I think

I think Tarantino is a guy that can do something

really interesting with a property that doesn't

Even know what it is anymore. Well, and that's

and I think that I would much rather see They

can't do any worse than what Abrams did and into

darkness between his writing staff and himself

like I I honestly like I was pleasantly surprised

by that Beyond beyond and so like it if if they

can keep going in that direction of doing new

stories new You know totally I mean because that

was completely original Mm -hmm. There was nothing,

you know drawn out from that Out of continuity

like they don't even have any of the the ship

that they commandeered took place Just before

Enterprise Yeah, so I mean it was very fitting

that they they kind of went in that direction.

So I'm I'm fine with it at this point. Wouldn't

it be weird? If Tarantino ends up being the one

that gets excuse me Star Trek You mean gets it

back on track like no he gets it like like Like

he understood like he's the one that understands

what makes Star Trek Star Trek He's the one that

oh that knows how to make it tick again that

understands what everybody is Lacking what all

the nerds are clamoring for like he's he he understands

what's missing from from everything that's been

been released so far wouldn't it I feel like

that would be like really Really weird that would

be weird, but I think that that would only cement

his future with the franchise I Don't feel I

feel like anything he's gonna do is gonna be

a one -off Yeah, I feel like that too Which is

unfortunate but like You know, maybe we could

get a Star Trek movie and not even in any particular

continuity But have it is like a one -off like

Logan Yeah, like like why can't your movies be?

anthologies like the like the Star Wars stories

The only difference with the Star Wars ones is

yeah, they're a one -off, but they still fit

in continuity somewhere Yeah, whereas Logan doesn't

like I mean it does but it doesn't like I I would

like to see him do if he's gonna do one do like

maybe a mirror universe film do it with It and

the funny thing is this Patrick Stewart Captain

Picard Said that you'd love to work with Tarantino.

What if they did a mirror universe the next generation

film? I Mean I'd watch it. I mean I would watch

it most the cast. I mean they're yeah, they're

very Aged at this point, but I think you give

them a really cool starship You get my cool starship

and give them really good characterizations.

What is it? You give them the Enterprise II for

You know the f -word or the enterprise f for

the f -word. Yeah That's what they get for the

uh, yeah, they they do that for the uh, the mirror

universe version and then the uh The the regular

verse they they have the enterprise e still Yep

Yeah, I would be down for it. Honestly Like I

think that that would that would be interesting

because the next generation other than comics

is the only one that hasn't had a mirror universe

Yeah I'm down for it.