YouTube Terms of Service and FTC Ruling Changes

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from this week in Geek is Mike the Birdman Don

and Alex. That's right. We're back. Hello. Hello.

Jello. So we're back in this episode on another

topical conversation. about the YouTubes and

their changes for YouTubers. I did not really

know about that. I heard some rumblings about

this. And then it's funny, we were going to talk

about this as a topic and I just received an

email like 45 minutes ago, maybe an hour ago,

detailing what's going on. Yeah, this actually

affects a lot of the youtubers that I watch and

some of these changes are already coming into

effect though. It's not supposed to take effect

until January or some of them until December

10th December. No, there's some of them take

place in January. That's when the fine start

But most of them Steve will break it down for

you. So Steve lead the way or do you want me

to? YouTube basically is updating their terms

of service on December 10th 2019 and Essentially,

they're setting specific age requirements for

videos and also allowing themselves the ability

to Have sole discretion on how to terminate channels

altogether with really no rhyme or reason just

depending on how they decide it's you know Going

to just do that if it's not Commercially viable

is the part of the clause they use but Yeah,

it's it's it's more or less that they're just

putting a kill switch on channels that they don't

agree with and that may not serve their their

advertising partners all that well Gives them

an easy out anyway, and so and there's there's

also the the option now that if you're Publishing

videos you have to go in in market whether it's

kid friendly or not or So it'll show up for the

specific age groups So one of the things that

I've read and they've been talking about on their

channel for a while it's a Power Rangers Troy

channel run by Bruno and Mia and this is what

they wrote about an hour ago I'm just gonna read

a section of their Facebook post on it Ummm...

And there is a signature or there's a change

dot org. We know how effective those are, but

I'll read it. Almost 100 ,000 signatures. Did

you sign it? I've been reading your comments

and see many people think this won't apply to

them. No swearing in your videos doesn't fix

this. It just makes your video less advertiser

friendly. Seeing saying your video isn't for

kids when it falls under what the FTC deems as

child directed or child attractive means you're

liable to pay a forty three thousand dollar per

offense to the U .S. government. YouTube uses

machine learning and AI and manual reviews to

find content a kid might watch. Toys? Check.

Toys are swearing? Check. Check check superheroes

costumes games animation music anything that

could appeal to someone ages 0 to 12 Could be

liability for the content creator under the ruling

the FTC made their rules But don't actually understand

what they've done or what they've done nor do

that nor are they familiar with YouTube? This

is to protect the media giants from people watching

content on YouTube Maybe sign this thing a friend

of ours a friend of the show Spada aka the bolt

matrix Marked all his videos no longer kid appropriate

and he started a patreon Because ad revenue from

YouTube will get nuked They're already starting

to get fizzled out anyway But the way that this

thing is worded it's so vague like one of the

things said music or other audio alternatives

Well, what does that mean, precisely? It's not

the wording is so intentionally vague. It says

child attractive or things a child might like.

So you want to talk about Marvel? Well, that's

superheroes. That goes. You want to talk about

video games even. That's a nuke. I wonder how

this will affect major content creators like

PewDiePie, who make Minecraft videos. And occasionally

racist things and occasionally racist things

or you look at other children's performers like

say Blippi for example, who's definitely aimed

at children? Um, but you look at someone like

spader for example who reviews toys and at the

adult collector market His stuff is not meant

for kids Yet he's gonna get nailed by this one

of my other favorite channels retro blasting

which looks at retro and vintage toys They're

having to adjust how they talk about content

and they're not sure How they're going to survive

this because things are going to be changed so

radically And if you're a content creator on

youtube It's not a good time and like you were

saying steve if your channel is deemed not commercially

viable for them They could delete You could they

could delete your channel and certain content

like certain, uh lgbtq content, which is often

flagged is not advertiser friendly Is going to

get caught up in this whoever made these rules

clearly doesn't understand youtube And this is

gonna destroy the platform like this is like

the ad like the adpocalypse from a couple years

ago This is not good And it seems that the people

who make these rules are definitely people over

50 who usually have committees assigned to them

to explain technology to them. In my opinion,

if you're going to make a law, you should understand

what the hell the law is doing. And definitely

people who are also definitely getting paid by

big media. So, you know what I mean? These are

people that have investments or have lobby groups

for cable, which is the dying platform. Like

this is a problem when you have people who don't

even really know how to use their phone making

laws The the funny thing about this is is it's

only gonna hurt the smaller like it's gonna hurt

the regular youtubers and the the smaller youtubers

it's not gonna hurt the people that are like

your Conan O 'Brien your your late -night hosts

your Jimmy Fallon the the really any of these

shows that are actual mainstream media people

that are on cable that are allowed to get away

with swearing and have the paid advertising because

it's not going to hurt them. No, it's going to

target people under 100 ,000 subs for sure. And

I would imagine even people who are under managed

channels, who are protected by managed channel

networks. They're going to be cutting a lot of

fat because of this, because they don't want

to be fighting the YouTube algorithm. They don't

want to have to keep appealing and whatnot. And

even if your video is clicked, not for children,

again, if somebody decides, hey, you're talking

about Super Mario, I don't like that. That's

a $43 ,000 fine. And good luck. It's going to

affect Americans more than it's going to affect

pretty much anywhere else. So it's not the end

of the world, it's just the end of the way Americans

run to Facebook, or sorry, do YouTube. And the

reason I brought up Facebook, it's gonna force

people to go to other platforms. You're gonna

see people, you're gonna see a service pop up

to fill the gap. And they'll make that service

where literally only adults can go to it. Like

it'll be like, for lack of a better thing, like

porn hub without porn. where you know it operates

under the premise that there's no children on

it even if there are which is funny there are

some content creators that i know of who post

uncensored reviews of the movies they talk about

to porn hub Like if they review pornos, they

post their reviews up up on poor or if it's even

like a like an R -rated movie that has sex scenes

They'll they'll include the clips or they'll

include things uncensored and they'll even be

like it used to be like you put it up on blip

or some other service like that or vimeo, but

they're getting to the point where they'll You

know make their review put it up. Like you said

on on YouTube and then it's like oh you want

the 30 -minute version instead of the 20 -minute

version and you want all the swearing in it and

you want no content bleeped, blurred, or altered,

or you want us to go deep dive into this topic,

they throw it on sites like that. Or it actually

might bring more people back to podcasting. And

I'm not talking audio podcasting. You remember

when video podcasts were a big thing? You might

start finding that. You might start finding podcasting

platforms out there that have their own apps.

having, you know, paid subscriptions, stuff similar

to like a Patreon type thing. But you might start

finding like, where they're going to have it'll

basically be YouTube, but on the streaming platform,

private apps. And you can make it where when

you install that app to watch it, you are agreeing

to be over a certain age and all that. And if

you're not, then nothing can be done. It's just,

it's how Right now it's the fact that anybody

can pretty much watch anything any time they

want on YouTube If you make it so that you have

to seek it out to curate what you want to watch

Then their onus is on you for making sure your

kids aren't watching I Don't see This ending

particularly well now even a couple years ago.

I want to say back around the Around the mid

2010s. I remember there was SOPA which was I

can't remember what the hell it stood for But

youtubers went to Capitol Hill and protested

Ignorantly, um, it didn't go too. Well, but this

thing didn't pass. Um, I wonder if there will

be Something similar where bigger youtubers might

Come out and say something. I know people are

talking about a youtuber's union But since you're

not technically employees of YouTube or Google

I don't see how that would work and this is where

I'm not totally familiar with I know there was

some German youtuber some fairly significant

one was gonna meet with somebody at YouTube slash

Google But the appointment got canceled like

the last minute or he had to go through his MCN

to talk to somebody So see but the Union thing

could be bad, too Okay, because That also requires

everyone that's on the platform to pay dues to

this union I Don't see a problem with it if they're

honestly I mean it's if the dues weren't ridiculous

if you're paying like 20 bucks a month who gives

But if you're not making anything in the first

place by posting to YouTube True, but if you're

a content creator, you're already paying out

for your art anyway It's an investment, to say

the very least. Plus, it would give you resources.

You cannot form a union if you're not employed.

That is true. This is not even a case of independent

contractors. You're not an independent contractor.

You're just literally walking into a market square,

setting up shop, and taking the money that they

give you for allowing you to set up a shop there.

You're basically setting up your own Etsy shop.

It's an open market that they happen to take

a cut of your pay. If you want to say, oh, they

monetize and give you some of their pay. No,

no. Look at it like this. They're taking a larger

portion of your pay so that you have a place

to broadcast and do everything for free without

paying any bandwidth costs. Yeah. I mean, at

the end of the day, you are agreeing to their

terms of service to use their platform to host

your content. So at the end of the day, They

kind of can do what they want because it's their

platform. You don't like it go elsewhere Yeah,

and the funny thing is is Mike powers on Twitter

said YouTube does not employ every youtuber YouTube

is under no obligation to compensate users who

post videos I don't get this if you have millions

of followers and think your crap is worth a crap

host your own content or stop complaining. Yes

They they as far as anything that's not an official

YouTube like actual account that they own or

original there are no employees like when he

said that it's if you're a partner like PewDiePie

or any of those people they're not employees

they're not even independent contractors they

have entered a profit sharing agreement which

is not a contract there's nothing that says they

can't post content on anywhere else or work for

anybody else they do not receive pensions they

do not receive I don't even believe they get

a tax form from this. If you're a streamer, or

like, if you're working for YouTube, and I think

if you make so much, you would get a tax form?

If you're part of their, if you're one of the

people that signed to their gaming one, like

the YouTube gaming, which I don't, does anybody

still do that? Yes, there are a few. In fact,

Jack Courage just signed over. Those are independent

contractors that are signed, which you cannot

form a union for. If you're just a regular YouTube

partner, or, you're not even employed. So the

idea behind this is ridiculous. And the people

that would then proliferate it and then share

it and be like, yeah, we should unionize. You

know what those people are? Dumb sheep that don't

want to do any research. You can't unionize something

that you don't work for. Mean yeah, I mean there's

it's more than just saying we have to unionize

you have to understand what you're forming And

you don't have the basis to form even that and

guess what they're so big that if you unionize

They'll be like, okay, bye. Fuck you. We don't

want you on our platform. You're gone union Yeah,

and and it's not even a mass exodus. They'd be

like overall we're all gone It's like guess what?

Now the youtubers that have been struggling to

try to get viewers are gonna get a lot more because

they're gonna be like Guess what? These guys

are gone and they're nowhere to be found. But

these guys are here and they're pretty good Like

yeah, there's when you have six rotating door.

It's six billion people posting things You know,

I mean like it's just because the top elite maybe

ten thousand or twenty thousand people are pissed

Guess what? Move the fuck along. We'll just make

new stars Like it's it's this isn't a mom -and

-pop shop. This isn't like you're working for

Ford or a manufacturing They're not giving you

a paycheck you get money when you make money

You know what I mean? Like this isn't, they're

not giving you a weekly salary. They're not giving

you a pay per video. They're giving you pay on

a purely, like not even consignment. Like you're

getting paid whenever they make ad money. Yep.

Which could, you know, and depending on your

views could be never. Yeah, that's entirely true

because If you don't like unless you're breaking

a certain view threshold, you're not making anything

and Into them you're basically worthless until

you do. Yeah, you're not quote unquote commercially

viable even people that are high up Sometimes

never get a straight answer from their their

actual rep the only people that are ever going

to get anything done on youtube as an actual

employer or or partner are the people that are

signed to YouTube original projects and for the

most part I would argue I would argue anybody

with a very high public profile even PewDiePie

can't get straight answers about things we're

talking about like if PewDiePie asks hey how

does your algorithm work how how can I do things

to boost this he gets the same response anybody

else does they might push it to the top manually,

but they won't explain to him how their algorithms

actually work. If you are somebody working for

MGM production studios, developing a show for

YouTube originals, you're damn straight in their

contracts, they're going to show exactly how

their algorithm works. So, you know what I mean?

People have a level of entitlement, they think

they're entitled to something. This is again

an issue of people that especially that only

grew up knowing YouTube existing Like there are

people that think my job is going to be I'm gonna

be a youtuber because since I was four years

old YouTube has been around and it's like no

those of us that were old enough to remember

a time before it were like People made videos

without ever thinking they could possibly make

money from it because they thought it was fun

We'll like look at ebombs world and albino black

sheep calm and stupid videos calm We did things

for the pure enjoyment of the fact that we were

putting crap out there that was hilarious And

it was for internet cred and for the lulz back

in the day before that was exactly Yeah for the

lulz. I don't even hear that anymore. We're old

like like think about this you people talk about

uh, like The gangnam style being the first video

on youtube to hit a billion views because it

was tracked I'm willing to bet that there are

a few old Newgrounds and ebombs world videos

that have had more Because they didn't track

them the same way back then Frederick Fox. Yeah

Geez like What was the Chuck Norris one? Ultimate

the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny. Yeah,

that one's awesome. Yeah the Which the whole

Like, hell, that culture created an entire theatrical

movie. Remember Snakes on a Plane? Yep. That

only happened because of those few websites,

because of just how fervent the fans were that

they made a multi -million dollar movie and changed

the title of the movie and even influenced the

script in days before YouTube existed. So YouTube,

you know, is the latest line. It's just that

it's the most traditionally it's been the most

like public facing and like casual friendly site

but there's going to be something to come around

that if they can't fix this themselves if they

don't have the money to lobby to get this thing

fixed there'll be alternatives that come around

it might not be like it might go back to being

more boutique like it used to be uh like like

a blip or something back in the day when you

get, how many websites, we found ways to watch

things. It wasn't real media files. It was watching

flash videos. Some of the most creative, funny,

most watched, we're talking millions, maybe even

hundreds of millions of used videos are, remember

the old flash videos, like the Napster bad ones.

How many times, how many millions of times do

you think somebody saw Napster bad money good?

Any of those old flash ones so there'll be ways

that people get around it and create you know

content to watch the days of super big Wild West

money from monetization is gone Because it was

there were no rules like it's gone. And if you're

whining about that, you should have had a backup

plan Well, it's like especially all these people

trying to get into YouTube now or any of these

other platforms It's extremely difficult. Yeah,

we like we we put because of the new platform

We're on it allows us to post videos of our podcast

Get stragglers here and there that'll watch Uh,

but it's it's another platform to put things

up. We're not expecting money out of it We're

not gonna you think with the content we put up

we're gonna like the videos are monetized, but

we're not gonna see a penny of it because You

might say something that gets demonetized or

whatever. We're not worried about that because

we're an audio -based platform usually, but it

is nice to have an extra platform to put things

out on. But people that are banking on being

there, you need to diversify. You need to be

able to have your content in multiple places

and not just have a Patreon. You need to find

ways to be making money, have backup plans. Don't

store your videos on there and then delete your

local content. Make sure you've got backups.

Make sure you have a secondary platform that

you could switch to at a moment's notice. Yep.

No, that's totally right. Like, I'm very curious

to see how this will affect the smaller channels.

Like I said, under 100 ,000. January is going

to be a very interesting time to be a YouTuber.

And it will be interesting to see how it affects

international too. I think you'll see a lot of

youtubers retire especially if they do kid -friendly

content or Kid adjacent content, you know where

I blame this on all those fucking Peppa Pig videos

Peppa Pig eats poo burgers with uh with the joker

the joker and all those weird things that were

like pseudo pedophilic videos that were coming

out where it's like it's bath day and it's like

mommy and daddy give so and so a bath and it's

just them bathing their kid there was an there

were articles on that like all over the news

yep about basically they they had found a way

to abuse the algorithm this is before they changed

it and then didn't tell anybody how the algorithm

worked where they were literally getting a hundred

million views of somebody bathing their child

and it's like um disturbing this this is and

they're like oh it's innocent if you're a parent

putting that up there you're a fucking scumbag

because you're trying to you're trying to make

money off of like like you're making under the

guise of it being like a vlog you're making money

off of creepy people looking at your kids taking

a bath or or you're or you're making yeah like

and it's like oh it's not well it's not because

it's adjacent to it it's not it's just it's just

okay enough and they were making money off that.

And when that hit like national and international

headlines and it changed the algorithms and all,

and it was proven that you could watch a video

about pretty much anything. And if you left autoplay

on by the 12th to 15th video for kids, it almost

always ended up on these types of videos that

you found that there was something seriously

wrong with their algorithm. And these people

were getting monetized. There were people like

vlogging their kids, like doing key time. I'm

sorry. your kids don't get to choose what's right

or wrong for them when you're the one forcing

them to be entertaining on the internet for rando

people so you can get like three or four grand

a month off of your kids. Didn't somebody get

sued or arrested for child abuse because of this?

There's a few cases about that that went around

and I'm not sure how they ended up finally you

know doing everything but I feel like all this

change happened right around this, which is what,

about two years ago, two and a half years ago?

Yeah, it was about that time. And that's what

caused the Armageddon when it came to the ads

and the revenue, because basically, it's like,

well, we're not abusing our children, but tee

hee hee, we're kind of making money off pedophiles

watching our kids bathe. I feel like that is

all the lawmakers saw. And they're like, well,

this is what the internet is. And it's like,

no, you got creepy people that are abusing the

system and they need to have, they needed to

have like a coalition of not just YouTube, they

needed to have like people from other video platforms

around the world, like Vimeo or any other, any

other platform that lets you post videos too.

Hell, even Pornhub and those, cause they operate,

I don't know how many sites. They needed to have

them all sit down, work with the lawyers and

work with what would be something that would

protect them and also their industry because

those lawmakers are not realizing that YouTube

and internet streaming is a bigger industry than

the cable companies that are lobbying them. Oh,

yeah. They just don't see it because for whatever

reason, they're considered new media, so they

don't have those traditional media has that.

air of invincibility about them when they're

yeah honestly the archaic dinosaur exactly isn't

keeping up with like the times if they're like

hey um you know let's say american terrestrial

and cable television is a let's just say that

they were a hundred billion dollar industry or

200 billion dollar industry a year um youtube

and all of internet streaming is bigger than

that because it's global And what proves that

is look at all these companies getting into their

own streaming apps, control the content, get

exact viewership numbers, basically shape the

content for your viewers where you can't do that

with cable companies. And I feel like a lot of

these cable companies and a lot of traditional

broadcasters have gone, well, shit, we can't

go after Disney. We can't go after these companies

for making their own streaming apps because they're

old media too and they're even deeper pockets

than us. TV companies can't go after movie companies.

They just don't have that kind of money. But

they go, hey, let's go after this new media.

They've already had some strikes against them.

They've already had some issues. So let's get

them to draft a law that benefits us, even if

we're a dying industry. And that still survives.

And that's the end of Alex's rant. And I agree

like the the media industry like they treat new

media like it's garbage and act like the traditional

method whether it's cable or it's radio Like

I have a pet peeve whenever I heart radio comes

out with something some article about podcasting,

you know Oh, it's the next logical progression

of radio and you know We did the first this and

then they get constantly proved wrong because

they're full of crap They're just trying to ride

the coattails of the podcast industry. Not to

mention there was internet radio. We know people

that have run internet radio since the late 90s.

Well, podcasting has been going on since 1999.

And we're talking like 96, 97. There were people

that ran basically pirate radio or college radio

streaming online using real media literally 22,

23 years ago. Like that was already a thing.

Even kind of Winamp, if you knew how to use it,

you could stream music. Yeah, the IceCast platform

was bigger in Europe. But when Windows 95 came

out, one of the things they were advertising

was, I think it was Windows 95 service pack,

one of the service pack, ABC or whatever it was,

one of them was when they invented like the,

was it ASF and the few other streaming formats.

right around the same time that QuickTime came

out and right around the same time that RealMedia,

RealMedia made you pay initially for it, but

like RealAudio was around in like 95 or 96 and

you could get AM radio level quality over dial

-up and it worked. And so like there were people

that were listening to radio from all around

the world 25 years ago. And then you get iHeartRadio

and companies like that trying to claim that

they were the first ones to do it online. It's

like, but you did your first broadcast online

in like 2004. 10 years after the other people

were already doing it. It's like I Heart Radio

claims that they started doing it like everything

within the last three years. They've been like,

oh, we were first to do it this this year, blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah. And then they get proved

wrong because somebody already beat them to it.

Like, yeah, like years ago. Well, like even their

podcast awards. Oh, the first ever podcast awards,

you know, like overall, there's no other podcast

awards. We're the first to do it. And then the

guys that created Power Press, the plug in the

blueberry. They they did it started doing it

13 years ago Well, it's the same as there there

were video like when YouTube was trying to have

like there was the YouTube Awards They didn't

they do that once or twice and that was it. I

think they did it once It was a few years ago.

They still do the YouTube stuff, but they did

a big press junket for it It's like the first

time that there's been a user created video award

show and all this It was one of the Webby's it

would know this thing Webby's that's what that's

the thing Webby's had already been out several

years Do you mean the Mashable shit too? Yeah

Mashable and Webby's that was like several years

before the YouTube and the YouTube hosted it

and I remember it was hosted by Norm Macdonald.

Oh I remember this it was so stupid. It had him,

Jenny Slate and some other guy on there that

were like the the interviews and he shit all

over YouTube the entire time. Everybody's dressed

up in suits he showed up in track pants and and

a shirt and he's going all the stars are here

and he pulls out a sheet of paper with all the

names and he's reading these names he's like

wow can you believe they got and he lists off

some random person's name he's like how could

they afford to get that loser and then like he

went off like that the entire time and they had

no idea how to handle him because it was a big

joke and they're like and we'll be back next

year with the next you know youtube video awards

and all this and he goes they won't do another

one and then they went off air and they didn't

do another one but like he just shat completely

and that was like three or four years ago five

years ago but they advertise it as the first

one it was like it's the first youtube one i

have to find that video now yeah i'm kind of

curious i will send you guys a link because norm

mcdonald like i used to hate him on saturday

night live and then i grew an appreciation for

him a few years after especially when he came

back and guest hosted because then he was like

downright hilarious but he said he got fired

because they said he wasn't funny but he says

They wouldn't let me be funny. Well, he's the

king of sarcasm and just the most ridiculous

like as we get update stuff was the best as a

kid I never cared about I liked it when he played

on jeopardy But he's he's gotten he's he's I

don't know. He has a an acquired taste But he

trolls them like no other like like like nobody's

business. I will find it talk amongst yourself

I'll find it for you in two seconds But yeah,

I mean I can't I can't stand when those platforms

like any of the big Traditional media platforms

act like that. They're they're better Because

they were you know that they were there before

but they're not innovating but then they want

to claim when it is innovated by some other third

party that whether it's a video service or a

audio service that that they are the the ones

that did the innovation. And it's like, no, you

didn't. You're you're the one that sat stagnant

and waited for something to be created. And then

you bought a company that was already doing it

and said, oh, we created it. They just want it

to look good for like optics pretty much. I mean,

that's pretty much all it ever even though people

call them out on their crap. Yeah. Because if

you have enough money in cloud, it doesn't matter

at the end of the day. It's well, it's funny

because every time people are starting to catch

on with the I heart thing, because every time

they start saying something about the first Somebody's

purposely digging up the evidence to prove them

wrong and then they get spread around the entire

podcast industry and people are like They're

garbage. They suck Yeah, and it really sucks

that modern radio. It's only now learning to

take advantage of podcasts one of our friends

is now a podcast producer for a pretty sizable

radio station, and he's been saying it for years.

He's like, guys, you're missing the train here.

And now he's finally getting a chance to really

prove himself. And I'm really glad to see that

movement happening. It's because everybody thought

that satellite radio would be the next step.

And the satellite radio is in the tubes. Like,

there's a few... Satellite radio is nothing for...

All it is is something to listen to in the car.

Yeah, because what they would... To make it work...

in the general populace, people don't really

want to pay $500 for a unit for their home to

listen to it. What they need to do is work out

a deal with Samsung and be like, hey, we're going

to include this little transceiver chip in your,

maybe a second SIM card, a special SIM card in

their flagship phones. And that is the satellite

XM chip. And that way you wouldn't have to use

your regular data. If they did that, I'm willing

to bet that they would have been much more successful

if they put it in everybody's phone. Hey, by

the way, your phone is XM capable, doesn't use

any data. If you sign up for our service, bam,

done. That'd be cool because then you could compete

with like Spotify and stuff like that. Because

you, yeah, because you'd be using no data. And

if Spotify wanted to combat it, Spotify should

come up, work on a deal for a data only SIM card

and, you know, pay an extra, say you pay your

seven bucks or 10 bucks, whatever it is for Spotify.

Another 10 bucks gets you unlimited Spotify data

because it only works on their service. That's

how the was Kobo and those other e -readers work.

It comes with a SIM card built in and you don't

pay for any data on it because it only works

on one or two sites. You could do that and I

sent you guys the link. Everybody is all dressed

up fancy and norm is in white track pants a University

sweater and he's got us unlit smoke in his hand

the entire time All the stars are here and they're

all dressed up. Oh, they have that Casam G or

whatever. I have no idea what he's oh he is horrible

in this and looks like he has no idea what to

say or do. And then Jenny Slade, who's been in

other sitcoms since then, she doesn't know what

to do. And there are many times during these

are the highlights, because it was like a multiple

hour show. Many times during their presentation,

they turned him like, Norm, Norm, we have to

talk about this. And he's like, No, I don't you

do. And he just goes on and talks about whatever

he wants. He took the money and didn't give a

crap. He literally showed up dressed like he,

like he was going to like he was going to the

thrift store or going into Costco just to get

a hot dog. He's dressed like he would be if he

was in Billy Madison in modern day. Yeah. So

yeah. Give it a watch. I would suggest putting

that link in your show notes. It's it's hilarious.

If you ever need to pick me up just watch how

uncomfortable he makes everybody around him except

for the other comedians that show up. Andy Samberg

shows up with the other Lonely Island guys there

because that's you know when they were I think

he was they were already on SNL and everything

and but their movie hadn't really taken off and

they're like in the Lonely Island he goes you

know what I call you guys Andy and the other

guys and they look So uncomfortable and Andy

just laughs but then has to cover up because

it's like he just he shits on everybody And it's

it's the best thing ever because let's be real

YouTube giving themselves a comedy award show

really Really because he thought they wanted

him to roast it. Oh No, he didn't he he was told

to read like it was and just talk to people and

he didn't care Well, they should know that nor

McDonald never follows protocol Well, and that

was the thing and they put him with two people

that were not equipped to handle him I I would

have been laughing my butt off But like this

because he clearly knew this is when like they

tried to make themselves out to be old media

YouTube doesn't need an award show None of these

none of these things actually need them because

it's a giant pat me on the back fest Yeah, like

if you're like all of them are like the only

ones that I've liked is when you see like movie

awards or anything in the field, when it's not

like you're part of this club like the Academy

or even like viewer's choice, when it's literally

like the foreign press or critics, when it's

like here or even like if like film schools wanted

to sponsor an award and say you've done a lot

to push forward the media format, great. But

like that's why all these viewerships and these

kind of award shows are down every year. It's

not because they didn't get Katy Perry to perform

or something like that it's because people aren't

realizing it's BS they like what they like and

more people care about what the tomato meter

than they do about uh you know what the oscars

do it would probably bomb though the other giant

pat me on the fat on the on the back fest and

nobody would care like the only one that was

really worth watching back in the day was like

the MTV ones because you knew they were bullshit

but they were funny Well, they didn't always

watch Now is it what is it the much music which

was our MTV Oh, they're garbage now, you know,

what do you remember what it's called? The MM

VA's or something. Oh, it's the I heart radio

MM VA. That's right It's sponsored by I heart

radio because much music doesn't exist as a music

channel anymore I hate whenever I heart radio

is associated with something But when I worked

in mainstream media for the political commentator

site, I hated dealing with them anyway because

they were such a pain company and their backend

infrastructure was so annoying to deal with to

get any kind of fixes done. And it was just,

I don't know, it was like jumping through hoops

on stuff that was really unnecessary. And then

they're so arrogant on everything podcasting,

even though they're a radio company. Yeah, that's

sort of how like, and that's what happens when

traditional business or traditional media tries

to move into new media and think that they know

how to run things. Yes, they may have the money

to back and pay for all these big productions

of these people that they create to be influencers,

but Ultimately, eventually they will fizzle out.

You know, can we call this episode I heart crappy

Oh That works So, yes, I guess my fire rate I

heard crappy owes YouTube yes Now I learned to

love the algorithm yes how that works to how

I learned to love the algorithm Fear the algorithmic

overlords But yeah Oh I kept that as a picture

by the way, I made it my back I made it my background

my brother came over and he goes dude what and

I'm like, oh, yeah You're six years younger and

I'm like it's nesticle and he goes what's nesticle?

And I'm like, oh you sad poor boy who grew up

in a day when there were better emulators I always

thought it was funny because it was like basically

It sounded like testicle, but it wasn't but well,

that's what it was right. That was the whole

point That's why I thought it was hilarious.

And so I had to download that version because

of that but I mean it's it's just it's from the

days of the the whereas sites where it's like

every everything you opened had a Video for a

virus. Well, it was like it was like not even

the crack files but like the info files were

not even like info files, they were actual programs

that played a bunch of demo, crazy, trance European

music. It's like the chip tunes. And then it

would be like something so and so presents or

was it was it liquid? Something or other was

one of the groups that good wares or something.

Yeah, it's like presents another stunning release.

And then it would play a bunch of music while

it cracked your files. Not that we did anything

like that 20 years ago. So we can't get in trouble

now. But that was that I don't know what you're

talking about. I never did that often. I don't

know nothing. I never did that because Alex,

Alex always paid for fruity loops when he never

actually intended to make any music, but like

the program anyway. Yes. Anyway, like that's

part of the culture back then was making up weird,

stupid characters and in jokes. And I feel like

to put a sum on this, this whole conversation

on the more restrictions you place on things,

the more people are going to find ways around

it or move on to another platform. Yeah, it's

just like all these different subscription services.

You're going to see a lot more a lot more bootlegging

again, just like back in the late 90s, early

2000s. I guess my final thought is I guess my

final thoughts on this. I'll be very curious

to see what a lot of my favorite channels do

come January 1st. I hope a lot of them don't

retire. I may support some of them on Patreon.

I have a very small Patreon budget. And it's

not that I don't want to pay for the stuff. I

do. I just have a very limited budget, which

I want to contribute. So maybe it's time to reprioritize

what I enjoy. But that being said, if you like

your favorite creators and you do enjoy their

content, do support them. And down with the power.

Fight the man. So that about wraps this episode

up of altered geeks, so where can the good people

find you online? If you're looking for me, you

can find me at Twitter and Instagram at Birdman

Dodd You can also interact with the show at this

week and geek on Twitter I am also available

Mike at this week and geek net if you're looking

for me in the more traditional sense This is

where I talk, right? Yes. Yes Alex is a speaking

geek net that face twig on Twitter You know,

or should I change my Twitter handle to Shitman?

That's probably some - somebody - no, that would

probably - That would probably - Oh god, that's

taken. Not only is that taken - FECAL OVERLORD!

Just call yourself Nestical and people will get

it. Or, I'll guarantee you that already has one.

But I could put, like, at bow to the Fecal Overlord.

But, the problem there is, we are public facing.

Yes, we don't want that. Hello, at Fecal Overlord!

I don't want a message from I don't want to I

don't necessarily want an email or a message

from Apple or from Apple or like Sega or somebody

and be like so Alex. That Twitter handle. What's

going on? Or no, even better yet, I don't necessarily

want a message sent to me from my Nintendo contact.

Notice you're going through a brand change and

I Don't know if the next Kirby game is is shit

lord Approved even if they do personally listen

to our show It may not be easy to explain to

the Japanese board of directors why they're giving

games to somebody who's the fecal overlord So

yeah, I won't change that not at least not right

now That's hilarious Life is like a box of chocolates,

you never know what you're gonna eat Anyways,

I am at SCP 21 on the Twitter's and Until next

time get altered get geeky I'm the fecal overlord!