Breaking Down Star Trek Discovery Season 1 & Thoughts on Trek

Hello and welcome to Future Imperfect. I'm your

host, Admiral Phillips. Yes, different name on

the show. And joining me in this endeavor into

the Star Trek universe to converse on Star Trek

discovery is Mike Booth Ninja Powers from Altered

Geek. Hello. Hello. Oh boy, this should be fun.

Yes. I don't really get a chance to talk. Trek

too much anymore with anybody Because all my

friends that watch it We don't really converse

all that much except for except for you and So

this should be interesting say obviously discovery

just wrapped And I took the last two days and

binged watched all 15 episodes which probably

makes it easier to stomach some of the things

that happen between episodes I I think so, but

it also I think kind of damages it because then

you see all the problems when you watch it at

once I'm interested to see what comes about like

where are two because you watched it on weekly

basis. Yeah, I did not I reviewed it weekly on

this podcast So they could kind of jump start

it again So like I wanted to watch it in a binge

watch fashion because I know that there are Several

TV shows that I watched that I will only binge

watch And now I have I never seen an episode

of start discovery before now I didn't know if

that would be the case with this or not But I

I made that my my preferred viewing method for

this series was to what would be to binge watch

it So I don't know where you want to start Well,

I kind of wanted to start in the fashion of,

and I'm going to do another one of these with

Birdman Dodd just because I want to see his comparison

of it. Unfortunately, he hasn't finished watching

the series because I would have liked to have

had a conversation bouncing between the three

of us, but he's still watching it. I guess we'll

start off with like the aesthetics of it. What

is your your feel for this for the fact that

it's it's made in modern times and with like

a film budget and at the same time trying to

fit into the old continuity? So honestly, I didn't

have a whole lot of problems with the with the

sets or the ships itself. OK, so I like Star

Trek. But my my knowledge of Star Trek I know

all I know all the key players and I've seen

all the movies and I've watched I know at one

point I've seen all of the next generation. I've

seen like I think the first three seasons of

Deep Space Nine. I've seen all of Voyager. I

watched the first two seasons of Enterprise and

I made the decision when I finished Discovery

that I was going to try to rewatch all of Enterprise

next. I will say Enterprise has its moments.

DS9, if you're looking for a really well -done

serialized show, it starts kind of serializing

itself after season five. See, Deep Space Nine,

for some reason, when I think about it, because

it's set on a space station, I liken it to like,

this is going to be really bad, and I don't know

what people will think of this. Always likened

it to the Melrose place of Star Trek Okay, I

don't and I have no basis for that other than

it's set in one location lost Sure, so, you know,

I but I'm But that's one of the things that always

kept me away is it doesn't seem I'm sure it's

not the case Like I said, I've only seen like

the first three season and that was as they aired

so that was like what 93 to 96. Yeah Like 99

or something. Well, but I'm saying like the three

seasons I saw were like 93 to 96. So like I never

I was a kid when I watched those, you know, so

I but what I recall, what I remember is that

it all takes place on. I know they do like away

missions and things like that, but they do eventually

get a starship. See, and then I just feel like

that changes the entire premise because that's

the defiant. It's the Defiant, but they they

literally use it only for The Dominion War like

there's still the primarily it takes place on

DS 9 So but that having all like said that my

the one I have them the least exposure to is

the original series Which is what? Everything

is either set before or after right? Yep And

I I have no Having limited exposure to that like

I know how those sets looked obviously because

they were made in the 60s, but my my My real

exposure to the original series stuff is kind

of from the movies So I'm used to the bigger

ships a bigger budget Enterprise if you will

that that's what I've always been or bigger budget

starships. That's what I've always been primarily

exposed to And I I did I did like I liked everything

about the the look of discovery except for the

look of the ship itself Like obviously after

it wrapped everyone started binge watching it

So my Twitter feed like blew up with a whole

bunch of people that were watching it like along

with me and I think one of the one of the funnier

ones is that the Discovery looks like a novelty

pizza cutter. Well, you want to know what's funny

about the discovery? Is it a pizza cutter? No,

it's a rejected rejected by Gene Roddenberry

design from the Star Trek phase two that was

supposed to replace the Enterprise in the 70s.

Well, it should have stayed that way. It's literally

where they grabbed it from, because I found a

screenshot of it, of the promotional type thing

that they were working on for it. And it was

just it's the exact design. I mean, for a starship,

for like a Federation starship, I feel like it

had. This is weird like too many moving parts

given that the sauce the spinning saucer section

and yeah, like I okay, so there was a thing that

my dad told me once you remember the you remember

the the pickup trucks that GM did for a little

while in the late 2000s where they had the The

the rear wheels would also turn. Yeah Like my

dad once said that all he saw was you know dollar

signs over those trucks when they drove down

the road Because it's just one more thing that

can go wrong Yeah, and it was yeah and to make

a Spaceship where your saucer section spins or

or has move it has external moving parts in general

I feel like that's just that's just That's just

dumb like it I think it was cool for like a ship

like Voyager to have the nacelles that moved

But that was a much smaller ship it had a function

and it was much it was a much smaller vessel

I Don't see there is no function for the spinning

Saucer section on the discovery that I saw No,

other than it looks cool factor. Well, and you

only see it like once in the sport drive. Well,

okay So you really only see it during that like

once or twice because after that they don't show

it to you anymore All they do is show you the

the discovery doing a somersault. Yep So or a

cartwheel? Yeah, it's the same thing It's when

the saucer section does its little spinning thing,

right? But you don't but you don't you no longer

see that the emphasis is on it doing a cartwheel.

Yep and then it's it's just where it needs to

be so like I I don't know. It's it's it's it

was cool I like that it matched like the budget

of like the movies that I'm used to seeing there

still is that minor disconnect of Stuff looking

a little too new but I feel like for something

that's kind of It it that might be set before

Like the Kelvin verse stuff. Well see the Kelvin

verse stuff doesn't even Apply to this. No, it's

a totally different universe Aren't the events

of the of the of the remake of Star Trek still

after the events of discovery? Technically no

technically Kirk got to be captain After being

in Starfleet for three years in the Kelvin universe,

so he almost got to be captain about like eight

years sooner So like right now would be when

Kirk would be captain in the Enterprise in the

Kelvin universe The 2256 as opposed to 2265 So

I like I like the design of everything I I did

find it interesting that it I'm fairly certain

that Adidas did all the costumes You could tell

by the sport look plus there's one scene where

The doctor is wearing just a regular shirt and

it has the three Adidas stripes down the back

of it. That's funny And that kind of that that

kind of made me go Yep, I'm pretty sure Adidas

made all of the uniforms in there because everyone

is wearing a tracksuit If you had put black black

Nike shoes on the bottom of these guys they would

be in that cult that killed themselves in the

90s But that said it I liked it. I like the look

that they went for. I just didn't care for the

for the look of the ship. Plus, am I am I mistaken?

Because it's been a while since I've done the

deep dive into Star Trek. The shuttle. The shuttles,

spoilers are OK for this, right? Oh, yeah, totally.

OK, so the shuttle craft that when they were

in the mirror universe. That's the same shuttle

craft that they have on the Enterprise D. It's

actually almost a borderline enterprise D enterprise

or like run about like Right, but it's not the

one that you would see you know in that time

period. No, not at all So that that threw me

for a loop. I was like, um, that's out of place

It's stuff like that. Usually when they try to

do these like period pieces in the Star Trek

universe Stuff like that snaps me out of it.

That was my and a lot of fans' issues with them

going back to the past was that they were going

to rewrite a lot of history or try to create

things or modify things as they saw fit because

they didn't see a reason to conform to canon.

Granted, the historical factors of the series

eventually line up with part of canon. by the

end of the season, which is why it's so sloppy

by the end of the season. But the visuals, they

just didn't care. They were just kind of like,

oh, this looks cool. Let's just change it. Even

though there's no explanation for why everything

looks as horrid, particularly when it comes to

the Klingons or like the designs of the Federation

ships. When you compare Enterprise to the original

series and I'm not even talking about like the

cheap, you know bright colored 60s, you know

white and red and you know all that kind of stuff

as far as the aesthetics Because I realized that

was like, you know cardboard box budget But They

didn't even like some of the things they didn't

even make an attempt to make it even look like

it fit in that universe Supposed to you know

supposedly with ten years before Kirk Yeah, I

for me when it comes to the ship designs the

one I was most disappointed by was the Klingons

That was like yeah, none of their stuff was recognizable

none of it And in in for a second, I thought

that the ship of the dead Might have been like

a bigger older version of a bird of prey like

around which ship or something Well, I mean it

it looks It looks like a Klingon bird of prey.

Like it looks like a much bigger modified version

of a Klingon bird of prey or bird of war. What

is it? Yeah, yeah, it looks like a bigger, you

know, it looks like let's take a bigger bird

of prey and blow it up and then cut the wings

off of it. And that will be our ship of the dead.

And sure, that's kind of what that was. But everything

else that showed up. That might have been that

might as well been like generic sci -fi knockoff

spaceship. Well, they look like the scimitar

from Star Trek nemesis Like that movie I've seen

that movie like once or twice because I can't

stand that Riker flies the no not nemesis. Sorry

Nemesis is the good one. No nemesis is the one

where data dies Well, that's yeah, but that isn't

that one one's considered good. No Thought it

was no the one that was considered good was first

contact with the Borg, right? The you might be

thinking about the one where record flies the

enterprise II. I know I know that that one's

not good I don't think that one's insurrection

is not good either. Yeah, it's a run -on TNG

episode But anyways the the the scimitar anyways,

it's like a jagged looking, you know razor -sharp

vessel that has no recognition Okay, and it dwarfs

everything else so like well in a way the enemy

ships are kind of like The only Romulan ship

that we ever saw in the Star Trek reboot, right?

That looks like nothing. Yeah, and that's that's

kind of like what we got here Well, then that's

the same thing that the scimitar kind of looked

like Yeah, so I I will say this every I think

my watching this I was thinking of what my favorite

Star Trek Enemy is And I always like the enemies

that can overpower the Federation or that trouble

the Federation the most. So to me, there are

two things that do that, right? There's the Borg.

Which everyone has an issue with. Right. And

then there, my personal favorite is the crystalline

entity. OK. Like. So I've always kind of wanted

like an origin story for the crystalline entity

because it's just a crystal that's floating through

space that wrecks everything that gets in its

way and There's an episode in here where I literally

thought they were gonna do I Part of it was like

are they gonna do an origin for the crystalline

entity and They didn't that was kind of disappointing

You know what I'm talking about right? Yeah,

the pavos. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh that'd

be so cool and they didn't do it Maybe that is

the origin for it later. Sure. Why not? But yeah,

I didn't really I kind of thought of like a couple

different things when I was watching it is that

it's And I said this to you on Twitter that it's

The season one at least from what I saw is a

like a sampler pack of The greatest like a sampler

pack or a retelling of you if you will the like

the best Star Trek stories mm -hmm With the exception

of they're missing a Tribble story Even though

they had a Tribble in our trouble Tribble they

did yeah, it was on Lorca's desk. Oh, I missed

it when he was in there eating His fortune cookies

his fortune cookies in the pieces of Kelp Ian

ganglia Okay Which nobody knew what it was until

Emperor Georgia was eating it So yeah, it was

I and then I liked it I was pleasantly surprised

but I was trying to think of like, you know why

people wouldn't like the like the show and I

kind of came to the conclusion that Star Trek

has always been a product of its Of the time

it was produced, right? Each season has been

a and story for each each, you know version of

Star Trek has always been a product of the time

it was created in And The great thing about the

original series is that that was put on the air

Back when there was all this optimism for the

future right? Yeah, and The next generation came

after that so it's how do you build on? Like

how do you build on? What? You know So you go

for hyper optimism if you will with the next

generation stuff And then you guys like Warren

kind of downer ism with the s9 Right, and but

that's what people were that that again product

of their time. So you're getting like So you

get that with the s9 and then like the enterprise

stuff that I feel like Enterprise and Discovery

kind of share like the same burden because we're

kind of in that same political hodgepodge we've

been in for the last like 20 years, kind of.

Well and it's kind of funny you say that because

Voyager was on the air before Enterprise. It

was really optimistic too. It was optimistic

but it was about a bunch of people who were lost

trying to find their way. Working together. Yeah

and working together to find their way and then

like we got enterprise which is like I don't

know where we're going Well, it's not it's not

we don't know where we're going. It's Think about

what was going on around that time. It's here.

Here's how here's us. Here's here's humans Trying

to learn how to work with other more advanced

races when we've always thought that we were

superior Right. Yep. And so that's in the end

We're in I feel like each different each show

The writing is instilled with what's actually

going on in the world around it. So like people

cry that Discovery or whatever isn't Star Trek

But it's I feel like Star Trek and I only I only

had this thought after watching discovery I feel

like Star Trek is just a product of Whenever

it was written like obviously if all this stuff

was set after like the events of Voyager and

Next Generation and stuff like that, then sure,

I could say this isn't Star Trek, right? But

given that you're placing discovery before space

optimism was officially like a thing, like you

really only have to go off of what we see, you

know, the beginnings of space travel ended up

being like, you know, and how we as a culture

learn to interact. Especially when there is no

one earth culture right now. So true That's just

a little aside because I I don't like the because

I watch it and I go this is Star Trek to me this

is what I've always seen Star Trek as In my head,

you know and I go back and I try to watch the

next generation stuff and I realized that like

because that's what I grew up on But I realize

how stiff it all is Yeah, I mean I kind of get

that too It's nice to see something that's a

little more dramatic I will say I was a little

bummed that each episode was still the length

of a standard TV show Versus like an hour or

like an hour and 15 minutes Yeah, I kind of was

sad about that too considering what a lot of

Netflix original series are actually like the

full hour Yeah, like Netflix has our our series

or 30 minutes to an hour and HBO does an hour

even AMC for like The Walking Dead and stuff

like that. They do hour -long episodes It's like

you you made the decision to put this online,

but you're still giving it the regular TV show

runtime Like give give stuff a chance to breathe,

you know Well, and it could have helped flesh

out some of the things, too, rather than because

I did feel like some of the season was a little

rushed, like they were trying to get to this

next point, trying to get to this next point.

And there wasn't a lot of like explanation. And

then some of the things that they had were plot

devices that were easily figured out way earlier

in the season. See, I wonder how much so I saw

something similar. Happen with another with a

TV show another TV show that I really like which

is Legend of Korra, which is the sequel to Avatar

the Last Airbender, okay? Originally it was supposed

to come back. It was only supposed to be one

season so the writers plotted out one season

and Then Nickelodeon decided oh we want to do

multiple seasons so then it became okay, how

do we take what we've already written and Twist

this into an ongoing thing, right? So as a result

I feel like the first season of Legend of Korra

is pretty weak and then the subsequent ones because

They knew what they were getting into they were

much better. Okay, so I'm wondering how much

of How much of the downside of discovery is?

not knowing what discovery was going to be out

the door. Well, I think part of it was that and

part of it was that they weren't sure if it was

going to make it to a second season. Right. But

I'm just saying, like, how much of that how much

of it is like, do we like, OK, when you're writing

a series, what originally was supposed to be

an anthology series, right? Originally, when

Brian Fuller created it, it was supposed to be

an anthology where it kind of changed. kind of

like American Horror Story every season. However,

when he left, those that were in power that took

over changed all of it. Right, so if you go into

starting a production on a show and it's supposed

to be an anthology series, obviously you're working

with a tight -knit story, right? But if you're

going to gut that premise, you all of a sudden

have to take what was already laid down and you

have to figure out plot threads. To keep it going

And I feel like that's what we got we got a mess

of that stuff Which is why at the end of the

season like the last 20 minutes of the the last

episode you have a bunch of stuff to Connect

it to a second season, which I don't really like

Maybe you can address this. What is the significance

of that? Like is that is that is that like? An

enterprise that got lost or is that like actually

okay enterprise? Sorry, do you know what the

premises of them jumping nine months into the

future when they came back? From the mirror universe.

I mean, I know they essentially what it did is

it helped to wipe out a lot of the more advanced

ships and a lot of the a lot of Starfleet that

You know was so large and you know built up and

everything which kind of helps bring it back

to that kind of narrowed a small exploration

vision that's in the original series, in a sense.

And then they have these 12 Constitution class

ships that were built, the Enterprise among them,

as well as the Defiant, which they go to show

that during Kirk's time, during the Tholian Web,

got sucked into the past, which is on A Mirror

Darkly on Enterprise. So it kind of explains

what happens there. So you see the original Constitution

class ship there. So that's all connected in

a nice little circle of life there. I would have

liked to have seen that show up in the mirror

universe, but it didn't. But the Enterprise,

what's the significance of is this is the actual

Enterprise. This is the second commander, which

the first one was Captain Robert April. The second

one was Captain Christopher Pike. And then Kirk

was, you know, the third captain of the Enterprise.

And each time it's had a refit and Kirk's had

it under a couple of refits. And so this is during,

I think, Pike's, you know, middle of his, you

know, after the episode that cage, the original

pilot of the original series. So they gave the

ship a lot of the aesthetics on the front side

from the cage enterprise. And then on the rear

side they give it a lot from the the refitted

the motion -pictured version if you look at really

carefully So like theoretically Spock is also

on the Enterprise at this point Because he was

serving under Pike as a lieutenant or lieutenant

commander or something at that point So It is

the Enterprise and it is Captain Christopher

Pike. It's just I don't know what they're doing

with the distress signal It didn't look like

it was under distress. It didn't look like it

was under distress Although I know that Captain

Pike has something happened to him later on where

he becomes Commodore When he saves a space station

and he ends up getting like these extensive burns

Which is why he ends up in this, you know, beeping

chair So I'm not entirely sure what they're going

with this, you know bringing the Enterprise in

here And I also found out how the uniforms changed

Apparently at Starfleet command when they had

the award ceremony the some of the the people

were dressed in some of the the original series

uniforms from the cage which apparently those

different uniforms that were in the original

series they figured out a way around that by

saying that those were native uniform designs

specifically for the Constitution class ships

and for the rest of Starfleet so they figured

out a way around the uniform issue But yeah,

it is the Enterprise. It's for all intents and

purposes. And they also outlawed the spore drive

on the Discovery, so we shouldn't see that anymore.

Oh, thank God. They said that until Starfleet

can figure out a way to not have a biological

component running the drive, they're not going

to use it anymore. That was so dumb. Every time.

Every time I rolled the dice. I was like, oh,

McGuffin, we can get out of here in a nanosecond.

And so Stamets was like, I'm happy to go the

old fashioned route. Which I thought was kind

of nice that they were like, OK, this explains

why the technology is not used. Starfleet outlawed

it. Lorca was mirror Lorca, so he didn't really

care about regulations. It kind of made sense

and so now this is probably when Starfleet starts

designing You know this the beginning of the

design to the trans warp drive that goes into

the Excelsior and Wrath of Khan Or search for

Spock, but Yeah, I was I was quite happy to see

that some of those loose ends were being tied

up to fit with the original series Everything

can be everything can be you can line everything

up when you can hide it under everything is classified

Yeah, just like the mirror universe. Yep. You

know, oh, we're never to speak of this again.

And then, you know, and Kirk, the same thing,

you know, we're never to speak of this again.

It's classified, you know, and. And then and

then you get to DS nine and everybody knows about

it, even though, like Picard's crew never made

it there. Until the comics, anyway. Wait, I thought,

no, wait, Picard's crew never had the mirror

universe. They had parallel universes. They'd

never had the mirror universe. DS9 had multiple

incursions. With the three nacelles? That was

not the mirror universe. The three nacelles was

from All Good Things, and it was an alternate

future. That queue was showing Picard. Okay,

so and then there was multiple episodes where

they had like, you know parallels and future

imperfect where they showed Different versions

of the timeline So so basically it would be like

looking at you know, the comparison of the the

prime timeline in the Kelvin timeline okay, so

like that would be the difference there whereas

the The Enterprise -D never made it to the Mirror

Universe, whereas DS9 did and Voyager never did.

And technically, Enterprise didn't either, but

they just had two episodes that were set solely

in the Mirror Universe. So it's, yeah. That's

part of the thing. That's one of the things that

made me want to go, I want to watch Enterprise

next, was that connection. I want to see. Yeah,

I want to see that. But Mirror Darkly, I will

say, has nothing to do with the Enterprise crew.

So you could actually theoretically go in and

watch it. And it literally is like the start

of the Terran universe version of Star Trek.

And then you could watch. You know, the discovery

stuff and then you could watch. The mirror mirror

in the original series and that's pretty much

all you need to know for Like as far as like

the defiant is concerned because the defiance

mentioned in all of that and then watch the Tholian

web in after mirror mirror, but oh Well, I mean

I'll watch I'll watch the whole thing. That's

what I tend to do anyways, so But yeah, like

I said, I liked it and it just made me think

about you know why people don't like Star Trek

and it's just like I said I think it's just because

it's a product of its time and That's this is

you know, we're in the time we're in now. So

we're gonna get the Star Trek that is most relevant

now, you know I will say I will say this I've

been wanting to ask you this I was gonna ask

you on Twitter then I thought I would wait to

ask you when we record the podcast But how long

until you get your wife to try to cosplay as

Tilly? Should never do it. So I am trying to

get a Starfleet uniform, but I got to sell a

lot of my geeky materials to I have a lot of

figures and collectibles. I'm trying to sell

right now. So she only needs an Adidas tracksuit.

Yeah, pretty much. That one that says that's

black and says disco on it. It doesn't have to

say that just get get a blue tracksuit That is

funny So just talk her into that next time she

goes to get a workout outfit there you go But

So yeah, I mean like I didn't mind the series

as whole like it started to grow on me the more

I watched it And I typically would go back and

rewatch the episode again before I would record

the podcast so that I kind of had all my marbles

about me and then I would read a bunch of different

reviews and a bunch of different commentaries

and Twitter conversations, which there's a there's

a war going between Various Twitter people and

I was I was among those against discovery on

a few key points and the key points were is they

were trying to make it that the history and the

aesthetics were two mutually different things

and I think that they still should coincide to

some degree like obviously the history aspect

the canon of it is more important, but Yeah,

there was there's some people that are so rabid

on it that they can't even get out of their own

way And I was kind of like on the fence of both

uh from the get -go i mean i've i've disliked

discovery from the start but then it's kind of

grown on me as it's gone on because i've kind

of seen uh what's going to happen is i've watched

more and kind of figured out how it fits um the

one key thing that still drives me nuts is the

design of the klingons themselves like why are

they blue and look like freaky as heck instead

of like any of the other klingons they're not

all blue Like, some of them are brown, they're

blue, they're albino, they're all different colors.

And they had a few of those in the other series,

too, not blue, but they had the albino one at

one point. But when I'm trying to figure out,

and somebody was like, oh, well, maybe they just

shaved their head at that point, I'm like, no,

it doesn't have to do with the shaving of the

head. It has to do with that they look more creature

-esque, like orcs, instead of... like Klingons

is kind of what I was getting. And then somebody

had a theory that because the Augment virus in

Enterprise, some of them that got infected with

it, somebody was making this assumption that

possibly that that's what led to all these different

weird looking Klingons. And maybe some of the

original kinds are actually like in the far reaches

of space, you know, kind of waiting to come back.

and then kind of reintegrate? You know, so it

took me by surprise. Well, obviously, I'd seen

production images and stuff like that. But so

I shouldn't say it took me by surprise, but it

was it was jarring to see them at first. But

by the end of it, I didn't even think anything

of it. But then I immediately started watching

Enterprise and the first episode has your traditional

Klingon in it. And that was when it was really

jarring for me. so my my biggest complaint was

just a I Don't know what you want to call it

it has nothing to do with the timeline or the

aesthetic aesthetics or anything like that it

was um the I Cannot remember the actress's name

But it's the captain from the you know from the

first two episodes Yes I could not believe that

Starfleet gave her command of the discovery at

the end of the 14th episode. Oh, the Emperor?

Yes. Yeah, I could not believe that either. I

was like, OK, now you've just completely like

I was like, you know, it's that moment where

it's like, I'm OK, I'm buying all this. I'm buying.

And then they take one step too far. You're like,

I know. Like that entire last episode I was watching

that going I I made it this far now I just want

to see the enterprise show up like I've literally

only watched the last episode to see the enterprise

show up because I did not care about what they

were trying to do because I Found it absurd that

they would do that while they were like it's

a means to an end. We gotta you know, which It's

so I don't know. They kind of redeemed it by

the end because Burnham, you know, got reinstated

and she was like, hey, here's the detonator for

you to control all of the Klingons, you know,

not to say it all wraps up nicely. Yeah, not

to say that they couldn't use the detonator to,

you know, force them all to go back and attack

Earth. But, you know, yeah. Or, you know, why

didn't they use the detonator? If Starfleet planned

it, why didn't they just keep the detonator to

make them come to the table? Yeah, like I. But

okay, so that plan like the the detonator plan

didn't even bother me It was just Georgio being

Emperor Georgio being put back in charge of the

discovery. Yeah, I was sick That is the most

absurd thing I've seen in this entire film We

had a Terran, you know outlaws the captain once

and then we're gonna put another one in like

One we didn't know one. We just chose, you know

And now they're gonna and I think that one of

the biggest slaps in the face is we aren't gonna

have Saru be captain They're gonna put somebody

else in charge Well, I also couldn't turn Vulcan

Watch it be Spock. It won't be he is a lieutenant

at this point you think that He's a he only gets

his highest commander with with Kirk you think

that original series They said that they are

gonna have Spock. There's implications So Yeah,

it was it was Giorgio and then the sport drive

just drove me mad Because it will see prime Lorca

show up even though he supposedly got transported

to the mirror universe Don't know like in his

like I I didn't pick up on his character until

like right before the reveal was made It was

when they were going through the crew records

for the for the mirror universe That's when I

kind of put put it all together. What was going

on? But I Knew he was trying to get somewhere,

but I didn't know like what exactly he was trying

or who he was, you know until that happened But

what I thought was interesting is I completely

missed The twist about why Lorca was the bad

guy in the mirror universe Like wasn't he on

the was he like just were there three factions

in the mirror universe? There's well the the

mirror universe is fueled by basically Killing

your superior to become the superior Right, but

I'm just saying like so did Lorca and and Georgio

want the same thing in the mirror universe Just

one person wanted to be in power pretty much

Okay, so they both just wanted to be head of

the Terran army. Yep. Okay. I think it would

have been way more interesting If Lorca had been

like the head of the rebels See cuz I didn't

see him as that despicable Didn't either which

is why I thought he was gonna be like the leader

of the rebels or something or someone important

to the the the rebel You know and I thought that's

where it was going and then all of a sudden No,

he was the bad guy. Yeah, I I didn't even have

a clue either like why they didn't go that route

That's about me the most it's like okay, so now

he's the bad guy, and I have no idea why he's

the bad guy It seems like he's been like the

you know At least I feel like you should have

been a rebel at least he wasn't like terribly

evil either He was just kind of like he had a

lot of dark shades in him If you really wasn't

that much different than Cisco and he was a product

of his universe Yeah, like that's that's all

that's all it was but he still could have like

I I just I guess I missed the whole transition

where he just became the bad guy because They

didn't want Giorgio to be the bad guy Yeah I

guess. I didn't really see that. Although it's

funny that Giorgio ends up at the beginning of

the series and the end of the series. I hope

she doesn't come back. I hope not either. Like

that the Spore Drive, Giorgio, all that stuff

can just go out the window. You know, I thought

the Klingon stuff was going to be explained away

by Valk. Was that his name? Mm hmm. Like like

that is where like he start like he just starts,

you know. Doing the Klingon thing and mating

with Klingons and that's where the different

Klingon comes from Yeah, I had that theory or

I had the other theory that Burnham was gonna

be partially responsible, but Yeah, it didn't

turn out that way Although this is the start

of that, you know their explanation of how some

of the Klingons look like humans Okay, it kind

of like in the trouble with triples they have

Darren, who's this guy that's on Space Station

K -7 who's a... Yeah, he just looks like the

Mandarin from a Marvel comic, right? Yeah, and

they actually revisit that character in Deep

Space Nine because they have trials and tribulations

where they go back in time to Kirk's, to that

very episode with the DS9 crew. I remember that

episode. And I love that episode. But yeah, so

they they had that instance again where they

kind of revisited it but in the in enterprise

they have the augment virus which When cured

they look like that too Without any like alterations.

It's just an injection So like I don't know why

they had to go to this Weird of a methodology

to Get them to look like this like I just it

seemed a little bit excessive for probably cuz

they can They could. They wanted something different.

I for one, I want more Romulans. I don't want.

I feel like they were setting up Romulans. Well,

they may have been, but the thing is, is the

Romulans were supposed to be a war before like

the Klingons. Like they're nobody was supposed

to have seen a Romulan face to face other than

Kirk. In over like 50 to 100 years. OK. Like

they see the ships, but like they haven't like

actively had conflict. Yeah. But I would think

that they would have made some some kind of an

appearance with the Klingons having taken over

half the Alpha Quadrant or the Beta Quadrant.

I don't know. I feel like the Romulans have always

been my favorite, like one of my favorite villains.

The Klingons, I was at least more sympathetic

and liked them more because they were honorable.

The Romulans, I thought were just like slimy

and devious and so like they did whatever they

had to do. See, I like the Romulans for the same

reason I like the Borg and the crystalline entity.

They are powerful and everyone in the galaxy

knows it. Well, and it's not even just the Romulans,

it's the Telshiar who were just like extreme

dirtbags. Yeah. So their their bird of prey is

really slick looking Yeah, and they they also

like they're heavily involved like they're one

of the main villains and reasons for certain

alien races in Star Trek online actually Aren't

they featured pretty heavily in Enterprise later?

No, they've got the net cool and a lot of other

created races that they made up because they

have a lot of time travel aspects of stuff that

they're trying to preserve for the 28th century

type thing. There's a big temporal Cold War,

which you actually get to fight in Star Trek

Online. The temporal Cold War is part of Enterprise,

right? Yeah. OK. Which is which creates the character

Daniels, which is really cool because he's kind

of your your guide through Star Trek Online when

you have any temporal related material. That's

the thing I love about Star Trek Online is a

lot of the continuity from Star Trek, all of

the series is tied in through that, plus they

add to it and fill in a lot of the gaps through

that series. I will say I'm interested to see

what season two brings. I hope they're able to...

Nailed things down and it was nice. It is from

what I from what I can recall. Anyways, it was

nice to see Star Trek in a serialized form Like

where it's one long story and not like monster

of the week or mission of the week I'll say that

so I I'm interested to see more It's just I there

are things I didn't like but it seems like a

lot of stuff that I didn't like won't be coming

back for the second season So yeah, it sounds

like that too They also there's thoughts that

they may have That that people are throwing out

there of who should be Captain Pike should they

actually show him? I think it should be the guy

they got in the movie Well, they said it was

a green. Yeah, Bruce Greenwood. Yeah The only

thing is is that the the movie ones like because

Paramount and CBS which apparently used to be

all one company under Viacom like Two decades

ago. Yeah before they had some massive split

for whatever reason There's talks that CBS and

in Paramount may end up again under Viacom Which

would mean that they could kind of build under

the same universe and use the films and you know

the same Play in the prime timeline, which I

guess is why Star Trek films since Nemesis Weren't

allowed to play in the prime timeline, which

is why we got the Kelvin timeline Now is Kelvin

named after JJ Abrams like dad or grandfather

or something? No, the Kelvin is the ship that

was destroyed at the very beginning of the which

is named after JJ Abrams Family member of JJ

Abrams. I have no idea. I think it's either his

dad or his grandpa. I just I just saw that fact

but Yeah, yeah, I I know that that's that would

make sense anyways that that's I think that's

why it's attributed to that because it starts

with the destruction of the Kelvin which had

Kirk's dad on it and everything spiraled from

there, but You know And I think that's why there's

been such polar differences between the films

and the TV But if they get Bruce Greenwood, it

would be great if they don't There were there

were thoughts that the people that should play

Captain Pike should be Whoever that guy is from

Tom Welling somebody posted like a shot of Tom

Welling who kind of looks like Jeffrey Hunter

from The original pilot of Star Trek. I'm sorry

It's been a while since I've heard his it heard

his name outside of context of smallville smallville

Okay, I just wanted to make sure it was the same

guy and then somebody else posted The who was

that guy's name They Can't remember the guy's

name he he's Tyler something from He plays Superman

in Supergirl. Okay, that's really interesting

because I was just gonna say do you think they're

gonna have a Superman Supergirl problem here

like with Discovery Season 2? How so? Okay, so

Supergirl obviously established that Superman

is a person and They actually put an actor in

the role of Superman Okay, okay. We've seen Superman

now we've seen the enterprise in discovery like

do you think that like skews things you think

that hurts things because like i know that i

watch like i'll watch an episode of small of

a small girl super girl and i'll think uh i think

superman should show up right about now you know

like uh obviously you know you can keep going

forward with the discovery because um You know

the enterprise has its own thing going on But

I feel like the minute you cast something or

you put like a face on something especially that

iconic You're gonna go When are we gonna see

it again, and it's gonna be all about when are

we gonna see it again? Rumor mill has it from

the producers that the enterprise will be featured

heavily in season 2, but it will not be the focal

point They're going to be very tied together

in season 2 So my guess is that the Enterprise

and the Discovery will be working together and

Pike will be making his appearance. And I'm guessing

that they'll probably make his number one, which

had no official name in Star Trek canon, which

was actually Gene Roddenberry's wife at the time

playing the first officer. And Spock was like

second officer. So if they get Spock, they should

get Zachary Quinto. But that would be a get that

would be a you know, they'd have to Because there's

really nobody else that could do that as far

as I can tell that we've seen There's gotta be

there's no one that we know of that could do

it But there's gotta be someone out there that

could do it but and I would be like I said I

would be happy if they got either either, you

know, the smallville Tom Welling or Tyler Hoechlin

Superman to play Captain Pike because they both

have that same kind of look in the face and appearance.

But it'll just be it'll be interesting. Like

I said, I just hope it's not a and but again,

like the sport drive, I hope they don't rely

too heavily on the enterprise. I think that there'll

be some reliance on it. I don't think they're

going to go as heavily on it as is what we think.

I you know, I'm just saying like I that's that's

my fear. I mean a Voyager I feel like got around

it because they were trapped in the Delta quadrant

DS9 got around it because they're trapped they're

they're stuck on a spaceship But even still the

Enterprise showed up every once in a while because

it's a space station It wasn't just once was

it wasn't just the opening it showed up a couple

times But it was more so like they were dropping

somebody off or it was still there. It was still

there. Yeah, I'm still there But they had a lot

of people coming. But it also made sense for

the Enterprise not to be there because it was

a space station. It's a revolving door. So it's

just like, I don't know. It'll be interesting

to see how that works out. I just hope it's not

another Spore Drive situation or a Superman on

Supergirl situation. Yeah. I'm not entirely sure

what's going to happen on that. It's gonna be

interesting anyway when season two comes around

I just I went from a Huge skeptic and a hater

of the show to someone who likes it, but still

a little skeptical Yeah So I I liked it like

I said the the Giorgio and the sport drive those

things those things annoyed me But everything

else I really liked and I feel like the mirror

universe got the shaft in terms of like sets

Like it was very much like an afterthought for

some reason I feel like Like it became very the

mirror universe was almost as sparse as I remember

the original series being Covered the same areas

that were already on the ships and then that

was it Yeah, I was like here's the throne room

and we're gonna we're gonna use like just different

shots of this same set for like a hallway or

You know or or you're in the throne room again

or something just it You're only there for a

few episodes. I guess and you're only on one

ship So I guess you don't have to flesh it out

that much, but it felt very old -school production

value Rather than like the other the rest of

the sets and everything Well, that's why it kind

of made sense that they made everybody on the

Discovery dress like they were in the mirror

universe Because it made it that much easier

that they didn't have to change their costume

when they played the opposite character. Yeah

True other than Saru. I you know, is it weird

that The first ship that came across them after

they after they slipped over to the mirror universe

didn't realize that their ship said USS Discovery

Yeah, I think it's kind of weird that they didn't

figure it out until after Lark is like we need

to fit the part Well, no like like even the ship

that that scanned them like wouldn't they notice

that the ship says USS Discovery and not ISS

Discovery You would have thought so also Here's

another little plot hole that I picked up on.

Maybe it's just from binge watching it straight

through. They made such a big deal about not

being able to change your quantum signature.

Right. Like the I've got this I've got old Georgios

badge from my universe. You can't change the

signature. It can't be faked yet. The first thing

that they do after they've been scanned by the

ship in the mirror universe is change their signature.

to match that of the universe. They changed their

warp signature. Is that what they did? Yeah,

which is a little bit different. Like they can't

change their individual quantum signatures, which

is why when Lorca got transported to the Prime

Universe and he was on the Buran, it was insinuated

in like after track that he blew it up on purpose

because they detected his quantum signature was

not of their actual captain. Okay, so he escaped,

you know as the lone survivor just like his story,

but he actually blew up the whole ship Okay,

so I guess I just missed the part where they

said they I felt like they changed that they

they masked their so I didn't realize there was

the warp signature I thought they were changing

the signature of the the vessel and I was like

You just said it can't be faked, yet it's the

first thing you did was to spoof the sensors.

Which they even kind of mentioned that fact in

Star Trek The Next Generation. The episode parallels

where Worf ends up kind of traveling between

different parallel universes. And he himself

had different quantum signatures. And as did

his shuttle. But everything else was of that

native universe. So it was kind of interesting

that they were like, yeah, you can't fake a quantum

signature for, you know, stuff or things and

people. And. I mean, warp signatures, I guess

they could do it, but. Still, yeah, it was kind

of interesting. So how do you know what discoveries

warp signature is in that universe? I have no

idea. Like that's that's just that's unless Lorca

supplied it. That that's that's true because

he was kind of shady on it. I don't know the

there's just little things like that plus the

whole Being able to they can they don't know

how to Detect the the cloaked Klingon vessels,

which I totally get which let's not forget here

now They know how to detect cloaked Klingon vessels.

Doesn't that change everything? Yeah for all

the future of track. Yes Maybe it it it's this

primitive version of the technology because if

you remember in the original series the Klingons

didn't cloak see I don't I I vaguely remember

that but I like I said by I have limited knowledge

of the TV show the Romulans on the other hand

could cloak could cloak and nobody could find

them So and and so I think that the Klingons

later steal Romulan technology Just like the

Federation eventually does That was really interesting

to me and then of course there was the Barnum

Burnham Burnham Burnham and Her boyfriend get

transported on the ship of the dead and they

can they mask their signatures Yeah, they were

these these patches that was like them into to

be Klingon signatures. I'm like you can do this

and you're losing the war Like how does that

make any sense? So this is there there are but

again, that's that's like Dissecting it right

that's taking out like a scalpel and dissecting

every little episode which you could do easily

Especially if you watched it week to week. I

think you can do that With any trick show though.

No, I totally None of them are flawless. So it's

like I Think that if you're if you like Star

Trek, okay, I think if you like the movies the

recent movies You would like this show now, what

if you were a fan of the old track? I Liked it

and I'm like I was a fan of next generation deep

space nine Voyager and Enterprise. So and I like

this but Like I said, like I keep saying, I feel

like what people are getting mad about this not

being their track is that tracks just always

been a product of the time. And we're trying

to write about stuff that came before optimistic

space travel, like using like today's outlook

to the future. Now, do you think that they should

have gone with the era between like, say, Star

Trek six, which is like you know, the Kinema

records and like the next generation where there

was like a lot of Romulant conflict instead of

doing 10 years before Kirk. Because there's like

60 years of time that's not accounted for between

them. My question is this, how many years are

there from Enterprise to Discovery? 90. Roughly.

And there was a hundred years from first contact

to To Enterprise Maybe 75 maybe 70. I think I

think it was a hundred. I just watched the first

episode I think it's a hundred because they keep

the admirals and everyone keep getting mad at

the Vulcan saying they've been patient for a

hundred years They've been waiting for a hundred

years to do the warp 4 .5 or whatever so I feel

like I don't know. I feel like maybe they didn't

have to put it so close to the original series

timeline, given how much time there is. You know

what I'm saying? There's a big gap between Enterprise

and when the original series starts. So I feel

like they could have done a show there and not

have to worry about running into the Enterprise.

But at the same time, I also feel like it would

have been cool to see. I would have been more

interested to see what comes after Voyager. And

see, that was kind of my point, too, is the other

timeline I was thinking of besides, you know,

between the 2290s and 2360 something. Because

I want to see more sovereign class vehicles.

Yeah, I would. Well, they even have in the game,

they have Odyssey class, which is awesome. Is

that is that the one that's after sovereign?

Yeah. That's the Enterprise F. OK. Yeah, I like

the E. I would have liked to see more ships in

that design frame. But that's me always wanting

the cool, sleek, futuristic look of everything,

which I remember when Enterprise was debuting,

that was a huge point of contention. It's like,

how do you have this ultra sleek looking vessel

and then you go to the Enterprise? And they spun

it as like the sovereign class, because the NX

has a lot in common with kind of a lot in common

with the sovereign class of ships in terms of

design. Yeah. But they spun it at the time, which

was the Federation revisited. Like they went

with a retro look. Right, so they they went back

to they basically they do what car companies

do which is let's go back and take the 1960s

Camaro We'll modify it. So it looks like it's

you know, what it would look like in 2017 Well,

it's kind of the sovereign class was basically

the Excelsior class updated right, but the design

the design cues from it come from Like the NX

yeah, but In the convention of when things were

actually released the NX just from a designs

like a not in continuity not the from a production

standpoint The look of the NX was based off of

the look of the sovereign class vehicles. Yeah

So and they and they and they spun it the way

they spun that is they they spun it in the opposite

direction and just said the sovereign class was

based off of the NX so Like I said, like we also

said earlier everything can be everything in

Star Trek can be brushed under the rug under

the guise of top secret Yep, pretty much So it's

like it's like it happened, but it only happened

to the people that were in this room We should

have had a section 31 show So that's Secret Intelligence

Group. So before we close this off, for those

that don't know, myself, Mike the Birdman Dodd,

and some of the Twig crew are starting our own

chapter of Starfleet International. And so anybody

who's interested in this, be sure to reach out

to me so that we can build up our crew. It's

basically so we can get our own Not only as a

kind of a our own chapter of Starfleet, but also

so that we can kind of have kind of a community

group and stuff for games and stuff for the podcast

and stuff for just Because like right now we

have I think almost five people to start the

the shakedown cruise Which takes like nine months

or something to commission it So I've already

gotten all those steps started because it's infinitely

faster than hearing back from some of the chapters

that are here in Michigan. Because I've been

a member for over a month and I've tried getting

hold of them and then the most I get is, you

know, we'll get back to you soon, blah, blah,

blah, blah. And so I was a little peeved at that.

So I was like, I'm just going to start my own.

so and then I built a website for it and I managed

to lock myself out because I put a a reCAPTCHA

thing on it and then removed the plug -in that

I did that with and then I had to hack the database

I hate that stuff I had to hack my well the I

put the reCAPTCHA on there because originally

I was going to do a buddy press install Which

would have been like a forum and all that kind

of stuff and I asked them I was like, so what

do you want to do? Do you want like Facebook

group or do you want? You know buddy press forum

and they're like Facebook's easier and I'm like,

yeah, you're probably right and it's a lot less

work. So I Removed it and then I forgot to disable

it before I did that. So I went to log in today.

I was like It's not working. Can't log in the

recapture was broke and so I Hacked the database.

I removed it. I removed all the buddy press stuff

and then the site wouldn't load at all and then

I did a repair and a couple of optimizations

and then a couple of cleanups in the Database

and then the site came back and I was like yay

It works and I didn't have the capture on there.

So I'm not gonna use it now but It was just it

was a nightmare. So but yeah, so if anybody's

interested in joining up with us it's a lot of

the this week and geek crew and myself and Whomever

wants to join. I mean it's Starfleet's like five

bucks a year literally to join So if you're interested

just hit me up, that's all I got to say on it

and Let us know in the comments what you think

about what's coming up on season 2 Or possibilities

of things to come up in season 2 what you hope

that there is and hope that there isn't So I

want Netflix to pick it up. I don't want any

of this CBS All Access business. I hate CBS All

Access. I want I want this on today. OK, answer

me this. Do they play ads on CBS All Access?

Yeah, I believe so. Like when you're watching

when you're when you're watching the show, are

they actually playing ads in it? I can't remember.

Because if they're playing it, first of all.

They have to be playing ads because they do the

stupid commercial break fade out cliffhanger

bs Like I yeah, they do because you you have

to pay extra for the non -ads. I really want

trek On netflix and not not on a commercial run

platform. Well funny enough netflix actually

footed the bill for first season Right, and they

have the distribution rights outside the us,

but that's still that's still a 45 minute show

with commercial breaks like this. This this this

this type of track, especially if it's never

going to be on TV, this type of track needs to

be an hour long format. And I agree. So so, yeah,

that's that's kind of my thought on it, too.

I would much prefer them to have an hour long

show instead of 45 minutes or 39 minutes in some

episodes cases. So yeah, you can get ahold of

me on Twitter at scp21 and yourself, sir. I am

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