Arrow, Gotham, and Batman v Superman Casting Updates

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to Geekcast Radio's unofficial flagship podcast,

Altered Geek Unlimited episode 19. I am your

host for this week's show, Michael Powers, and

I'm joined as always by Steve Megatron Phillips.

Yo. I did it. I got it right. Yes. Sorry for

my absence last week. I had every intention of

being there and I just had a miserable day at

work. And I didn't feel like sitting down and

feigning interest in something. Not that I wasn't

interested in what was being talked about on

last week's show with all the casting rumors

and stuff like that. I just wanted to be done

with the day when I got home from work. Especially

after the previous night recording Off the Cuff

38. I don't know if people will notice I'm kind

of Blah on episode 38 because I had taken a decongestant

that day so I didn't want to podcast to suffer

from my Apparent lack of enthusiasm for the material

So I opted out of last week's show, but I'm back

and Steve I know you've got some things that

you want to bring up before I let you talk about

your opinions on Arkham Origins. Yeah. Well,

one, just for quick housekeeping purposes, we

had a nice little meeting the other night, consisting

of some future things that will come that people

will be... think enthusiastic about and For some

of it Be sure to check the Facebook page because

some of that is going to be kind of teased and

hinted at there a little bit More so than the

the home page for that kind of stuff But We're

gonna keep this episode kind of light on news

Um, so the only bits we're going to cover this

week is going to be pertaining to Arrow. Uh,

which there has been a casting rumor or not casting

rumor, casting confirmation. Uh, Robert Nepper,

who played, um, teabag on, uh, prison break and,

uh, has been in quite a few other things. He

was in Heroes and that whole carnival thing that

ruined the show. But he's been cast as the Clock

King. So this just goes back to our discussion

about how they're going to use everybody but

Batman. Pretty much. I'm kind of sad that they're

doing this because they've already name -dropped

Ra's al Ghul in the show You've already seen

the League of Assassins You already had I mean

some guys like Deadshot or you know stuff like

that those guys are kind of they can go anywhere

They've And I'm not going to reveal any spoilers

because the episode just came out this week.

Um, and I just watched it a couple hours ago.

So, um, I do have to say that that second half

of that kind of quasi two parter that, um, is

the mid season finale of arrow is really good,

but it's the last 20 minutes of it. That's actually

the defining part of the, um, the show kind of.

Giving it that next evolution on the second half

of the second season when it comes back It introduces

the new villain It also introduces some elements

I guess we can kind of Somewhat talk about the

flash thing based on the fact that everybody

knows it's gonna happen anyway, right? They actually

kind of hint at it and He's also the reason that

Arrow actually gets the face mask for his eyes

Okay He suggests it to him and then actually

gives him a present of it And I guess he's well

aware of all the other kind of vigilante people

around like Black Canary and Huntress and Arrow

so But it kind of leads off with him in his Kind

of precinct area where he's There they're testing

like the Kind of like an atomic collider type

thing. Well, yeah the collider what's interesting

is and I didn't really put Okay, I didn't put

two things together Until they're like it they

hit it on the nose because that collider they've

been teasing that in the background the entire

season and I picked up on that, but I was like

what are they gonna do with the collider like

I and I knew that You know everyone knew that

the flash was gonna show up in this season of

arrow or that the character was going to be introduced

and Even I think from like the very first episode

they the collider is mentioned like on news reports

or something like that like in the background

in different scenes like nobody's ever mentioned

it specifically and I was kind of in the back

of my mind the longer the season went on I was

like man they're gonna do something with this

is this gonna be like the event is it gonna be

like the midseason like catastrophe is it gonna

be like the end like the season finale like is

it gonna be like a lead -up to it and it wasn't

until you know the flash shows up in the episode

right before the mid -season finale that everything

came like full circle like it it was weird like

i didn't put the idea i didn't put the fact that

they were you know plugging away at this collider

and that the flash was eventually going to show

up i didn't see them as the as the same event

you know what i'm saying yeah um until until

you know the flash actually shows up and i was

like oh i'm so dumb of course that's it so But

yeah, and they kind of tied that in there and

you know, you have the whole star labs and which

is more of a Superman thing And then you have

Amanda Waller in the show obviously earlier on

But at this point they they actually have like

the chemicals start kind of floating because

this collider kind of implodes And then a nice

size bolt of lightning comes down and zaps bury

into the chemicals and then he's laying on the

ground and you see like a red electricity thing

go through his cheek And that's the last you

see of him for the episode Okay But uh Yeah,

it's it's there's a couple other big things that

happen at the end that I won't go into this week

We can kind of chat about it next week That'll

give me I'm also to catch up on Agents of S .H

.I .E .L .D., which I've kind of not really paid

attention to. No one has. I think it's kind of

I think Arrow is kind of trumping that at this

point. Which is surprising because, well. I had

major problems. I had problems with the first

season of Arrow. So did I. But the last half

of the first season, things got turned around.

In my opinion and it kind of carried over to

the second season and it's just gotten better

from there and I do appreciate Someone pointed

out on on Twitter today I actually saw an interesting

comment on it because someone was tweeting about

the reaction to the midseason finale and One

of the big issues I had with the first season

of green arrow as he ran around killing everybody

like Wholesale and I was that's one of the things

that kind of like miffed me, but not so much

that he was like killing people It was that he

was like no, you shouldn't kill people only I

can kill people They're like really irked me

every time there was a conversation about the

morality of killing somebody because he would

just go off willy -nilly and kill kill people

Yeah, one of the things that I like that the

guy brought up on the the brought up in the tweet

is that they the show earned that when he turned

the corner and pledged not to kill again like

he like they gave him a reason it's not just

like the show earned that that concept of him

not killing anybody anymore um which i thought

was really neat like he's doing it because his

friend died and he's doing it in honor of his

friend it's not just oh i'm just not going to

kill people anymore like it's the reason for

him not killing was written nicely into the story

and you got to see like a You got to see the

transformation of the character going from like

this hard -edged guy That's just out to accomplish

things by any means necessary to realizing that

there's repercussions to what he does Yeah, and

that sounds kind of cheesy to talk about a show

on the CW about B tiered superheroes, but they

did it And it's paid off really well. Well, and

then some of the interesting stuff. I mean, there's

even something with Roy in there who everybody

knows is kind of turning, you know, eventually

turns into like Red Arrow or whatever his sidekick

name is later on. The one thing I found kind

of strange about Arrow And I didn't realize this

until they dropped the kind of line or arrow,

dropped the line in the show. I didn't know who

Cyrus Gold was or who he was supposed to be.

And I didn't realize it was Solomon Grundy. Well,

we'll back up for a second who we talking about

now in the show It's the cuz era Oliver fights

against Cyrus gold Which apparently in the comics

is the former name of the supervillain Solomon

Grundy Okay, forgive me who Cyrus gold in the

TV show cuz like one of the things it's kind

of I I skip over the names Unless it's the actual

I think it's the guy with the mask on. Oh, okay.

Okay. So the guy that's just shown up. Okay.

Yeah which I didn't know who this Cyrus gold

is but then I heard the The whole fairy tale

thing of him where they say, you know born on

a Monday Right. Yeah and I You know, and because

he drops that line in the show and I'm like,

wait, wait, what? I'm like, I didn't see Solomon

Grundy in there because I think of the giant

reanimated dead guy. But I guess that's the former

name of him before he's a reanimated corpse.

OK. So it's. Yeah, I. I don't know how that's

going to play out. Because he's got that super

soldier serum in him. So it has been known to

resurrect people and heal them and all that.

So there's a couple other twists with that and

that was something that just kind of caught me

off guard. because I'm like, wait, wait, I didn't

know Solomon Grundy was in the episode. But so

I think that the second half of the second season

is going to be very interesting, because for

one, the clock king is going to show up. You're

going to have I'm sure the flash will show up.

I'm sure Roy will become another alias. and then

you have Sebastian Blood in there and Slade and

right all this stuff coming full circle so it's

it's it's actually got me intrigued for the show

i never got into Smallville despite trying to

watch two seasons of it and i was like yeah this

is crap and sorry to anybody that likes it i

just that's my opinion um i i find Arrow to be

much better Than smallville. Yes. Yeah, I can

see that part of the problem with smallville

was And I am the damn cape and cow a lot or a

cape on Not so much that It's they did it. I

enjoyed smallville. I I watched every episode

from from beginning to end I Enjoyed it Certain

seasons I like more than others, but so but smallville

had the same problem that I had with heroes which

is when you have really powerful characters you

can't portray them on television not in a manner

that is satisfactory at least to me and that

was one of the problems they had with you know

with Smallville is that you couldn't really get

a sense of how strong Superman actually is. And

I think the only thing that I've ever seen that's

actually accomplished that is like the animated

stuff and Man of Steel. But, and so Smallville

always had those issues and Smallville's biggest

problem was in its season's finales, like it

always felt like a prom date that ended badly.

like it was the biggest nerd every season finale

was like the biggest nerd tease on the face of

the planet and whatever was set up in the season

finale of smallville was wrapped up before the

opening song in the season premiere uh so it's

like one of those things where they like leave

you on a cliffhanger like oh man it's gonna be

so awesome when we come back and then you get

the season premiere for the next season and it's

all wrapped up in the first like 30 seconds of

the episode and you're like what hold up i just

waited four months for this to come back and

the story's wrapped up in 30 seconds what no

and it's because they don't have the money for

it it's the same problem they had with heroes

like one of my favorite characters in heroes

was cyler who was played by the excellent zachery

quinto and the way that his character is designed

is that he can manipulate or he can take other

heroes abilities and In a sense he makes himself

one of the most powerful characters in in the

hero's universe But you never get to see him

flex his true power And it's just like the biggest

letdown whereas arrow keeps things grounded because

There haven't really been Flash will be the suit

first time you've actually seen the superpower

to any real extent. True. Even Canary was written

off as just having, like, sonic grenades instead

of having, like, the full -on sonic scream. So

I'm not saying that there aren't other super

-powered beings in the series, but so far the

series has been based around people that are

just extremely fit. Yeah. for lack of a better

way of saying it. So that makes it a little easier.

That makes the stories a little more compelling

because they don't have to worry about, oh, can

he lift a car over his head? Can he throw a car?

Can he, you know, can he run faster than the

speed of light? Which is going to be interesting

when they get to doing the flash show to see

how they're able to handle a show where there

are superpowers. Yeah, I'm kind of curious to

see how they're going to do that as well. Now

I really like the interpretation of flash that

was in smallville I didn't even know he was in

it. Oh, yeah, he's got some of the best episodes

was arrow in it In smallville. Yeah. Oh, yeah

green arrow became a big part of smallville for

like the last Forgive me probably three or four

seasons Hmm Obviously not the same guy No But

yeah, they They tried the whole thing that they're

trying to do right now. I don't want to say tried.

I'll put up little air quotas. They tried to

do it with Smallville. I think there's even an

episode of Smallville called the Justice League.

They have Hawkman. They have, I think, Martian

Manhunters in there. They had Cyborg, they had

Flash, but then something happened and they had

to start calling him Impulse. They had Aquaman.

I wonder why that all fell apart. They tried

to do it. Each character came on and had their

own little mini episode with Clark Kent. And

then there was like a bigger thing where Clark

got himself in trouble and they all banded together

to go and save him But he like never wanted to

join their little team It was really neat I and

like I said, I always appreciated the the stuff

with with flash because one of the things they

did with the It I can't remember which flash

it was. It wasn't Barry Allen that they use.

I can't remember which one it was that they used

Wally West? I think it was Wally, maybe. But

they portrayed him as a thief that Clark set

on the right path. So it was just really cool.

And the way that they did the super speed in

Smallville was kind of fun, too. But yeah, it'll

be interesting to see how the Flash gets handled

inside of this universe. And if this has any

more... If adding the flash to universe has any

ramifications on the show of arrow as As it is

because I can I can understand genetically enhanced

beings I can understand And and just really fit

guys, you know Doing the superhero stuff What

that's that's my cat if anyone can hear stuff

being moved around in the background What was

I gonna say like count vertigo Like that was

like a drug that wasn't like an eyepiece that

hypnotized people, you know Which was nice to

see that that grounded twist on the character

I'm bummed about what happened to him because

I like that actor But Yeah, no arrows been there

was been a lot of fun So I definitely look forward

to more from that that's that's for sure But

I think I have one other thing. Oh, yeah, it's

another TV DC related thing. There's been an

update on Fox's Gotham TV series. I don't know

if you saw that. Is this the Bruce Wayne announcement?

Yeah. I don't understand why. They can have Bruce

Wayne in the show. I mean granted. It'll probably

be the kid Bruce Wayne Yeah, but it says It'll

probably be a regular series role which why that

would matter in the grand scheme of a Gotham

show Considering he's just a kid Maybe he's not

just a kid Yeah Maybe he's a teenager. I don't

know but maybe that's how he becomes the world's

greatest detective By following Jim Gordon. Yeah.

The man who can't solve his way out of a paper

bag. But Batman stalks him and figures it out

for him. There you go. Yeah, I don't understand

why they're doing that, but again. Oh, you know

what? I have a little rant. No, not necessarily

a rant. Just something that kind of bums me out.

I've come - I just want to say upfront, I have

come to terms with the fact that Christian Bale

is no longer Batman. I've come to that. I've

come to terms with that. I came to terms with

that rather quickly, as we've already discussed

on the podcast. However, some of the stuff that's

been tossed around about like the type of Batman

that they're going for, like the the older, wiser

Batman that is. Launching drones from his Batcave

to fight crime instead of like going out and

doing himself. I That sounds really cool to me

But what bums me out now is I on Black Friday,

I got the ultimate Trilogy collection for the

Dark Knight movies. Mm -hmm on blu -ray and cuz

I Never bought Dark Knight Rises on Blu -ray.

I was waiting for this master collection collective

set, which is awesome, by the way I was waiting

for this to come out and it did and I picked

it up on Black Friday And so I got to watch Dark

Knight Rises again First of all, I still really

like that movie It has its it has its problems

and it should have gone way more than no man's

land direction. I Blame Heath Ledger for that

for it not going in that direction Because there

are hints of it there are hints of the no man

the no man's land story arc like Littered throughout

the second half of that movie Okay Which you

know what that is right where Gotham is basically

turned into a demilitarized zone Oh, yeah, and

they they and they cordon off the city into sections

Mm -hmm, but there's there's hints of that in

the last half of Dark Knight Rises However from

the description that they've given for what they

the the Descriptions that are out there for what?

type of Batman Affleck is going to be played

after seeing Dark Knight Rises again in the comfort

of my own home and being able to like dissect

it and pay attention to it That is an extension

of Christian Bale's Batman from Dark Knight Rises

Like that is that is what he could have been

doing in the eight years that he hung up You

know that he quote -unquote hung up the cowl

After the Dark Knight Like he could have been

sitting there Clearly he wasn't done being Batman

because by the time we come back and we see him

eight years again He has all new toys. He doesn't

have a new suit, but he's got a brand new Batcave

and everything else So clearly he's been still

he's still been tinkering with things like he

still could have been the guy just launching

drones You know what I'm saying? like That It

just bums me out that it's not Christian Bale.

I Mean I kind of see both ways I'm just saying

it's a natural extension of what of what Nolan

had already set up for him being like the He's

he's he's beaten. He doesn't really want to do

it anymore. So he's just gonna sit in his cave

and he's just gonna like launch Drones out to

help fight crime like that's oh no. I mean I

can totally get behind that that concept I I

agree. I mean, it's a natural progression but

I don't necessarily have a problem with then

AF like now at this point. No, no, no, and I

don't either I'm just saying in rewatching Dark

Knight Rises. I was sad that it's not I was saddened

again that it's not going to be bail Because

it seemed like such a natural Fit and the fact

that man of steel is so it's so much I guess

it's definitely a Zack Snyder movie, but it looks

so much like a Christopher Nolan movie Like visually

it looks like a Christopher Nolan movie. Like

the color palette and everything. Yeah. Which,

by the way, another thing, because I don't know

if I've been on here to talk about this. I watched

slash listened to the commentary track for Man

of Steel. Learned some interesting things. One

Zod suit was entirely CG. Yeah, I heard about

that. quite strange did well first of all i didn't

know that and it doesn't look cg at all like

no it looks like he's actually wearing it yeah

which is amazing in and of itself second um the

superman suit is actually red and blue like in

that in like they actually made it red and blue

but when they color time the movie it's no longer

it's not red like it's very very muted but it

but in actuality the suit Because when they were

showing the behind behind the scenes stuff of

Henry Cavill in the suit like it is actually

red yellow and blue and Not this like blue. That's

almost black and the red. That's almost like

a blood color red. It's It's actually red and

blue. They just color timed it so it's all muted

out and washed out like the Batman movies were

Huh, so it's very it was it was it was interesting

to see that You know, but Anyways, I'm excited

for what Man of Steel is two is going to be I

don't know If you guys talked about this like

yeah, basically, how long is it gonna be before

they just call it what it is? Which is Justice

League? That's actually funny because that's

what I called the last episode of altered geek

call it what it is The other thing is I saw that

there was a comment on the message board about

how Wonder Woman could just end up being what's

scarlet what the Black widow black widow was

an Iron Man 2 and that would be a travesty for

the character Yeah, I kind of agree. I I thought

of that too. I thought that they could go that

way too. Like I do think I Think what all instead

is done that even if it's called Man of Steel

2 or it's called Batman versus Superman I'm still

going to like the movie because I'm gonna geek

out I'm gonna geek out because if there's one

thing that I think water brothers does really

well. I do Atonally I like The Warner Brothers

superheroes more than the Marvel movies. I just

always have there's a a Gritty realism that they

that that's there that the Marvel movies lack

And so I'm pretty sure I'll geek out about it

and I'll really enjoy it I would imagine the

same people that didn't like Iron Man 2 They're

gonna dislike the batman versus superman movie

for the same reason they didn't like iron man

2 well like i don't care for iron man 2 i don't

hate it but i don't like it either um but i'm

still kind of on the fence of this at least until

i see a trailer well yeah i mean there's a lot

there's a lot riding on this right like what

does batman even look like what's the wonder

woman gonna like you we need to know what these

characters are gonna look like we know who's

playing them but we don't know what they're gonna

look like Well, not only what they're going to

look like, but the like one I'm I'm There's been

conflicting things back and forth about the Batmobiles

Whether they're going with the 30s or that kind

of like 16 or if they're going to do that one

hybrid that kind of looks like a tumbler mixed

with the 89 mixed with The new adventures as

long as it doesn't have a giant ass pin on it.

I'm okay. Yeah, I'm It has to be like a subtle

thing, honestly, that fits it better. But I almost

want to say that they're cramming too many people

in this, right from the get go. That's what I'm

saying. People have that there is that same issue

with Iron Man 2 because they were throwing in

like all of a sudden, like War Machine is going

to show up and Black Widow is going to show up

and just like all this. They were cramming all

- and S .H .I .E .L .D. had this overwhelming

presence in the movie and so if you took S .H

.I .E .L .D. as a character like just as a character

you've got S .H .I .E .L .D. and you've got Black

Widow and you had War Machine who actually had

a presence he wasn't just like a friend so I

mean basically that's kind of what they've done

with Man of Steel 2 they've added Batman who

technically could be like that overwhelming presence

that is the shield and then you've got you know

you've got black widow wonder woman and then

you've got i don't know if there's another there's

another smaller cameo the problem is is how they

have how they treat these cameos they need to

give them enough respect if they're going to

bring them in but they need to not have them

be prime focus yeah and i don't i i think if

they could pull an agent colson it'd be fine

with it Yeah, I think but you know who would

make a great agent Colson in the DC universe?

Martian Manhunter. I can see that. Just as a

guy that always just shows up. Or Cyborg. I always

think it was some of that hat. Well, because

Colson came off as kind of having an omnipresence,

like knowing more than he actually let on. Yeah,

I can see that then and I can see the Martian

Manhunter obviously because he's a telepath he

can do that So I but yeah, I'm if if Wonder Woman

is treated with the same way black what it was

an Iron Man 2 that's just a travesty because

I don't I don't even know that I'm wondering

how much of this stuff is just like credit sequence

stuff because how can you even unlike Unless

they drop the charade and it's no longer called

Batman versus Superman. And it's called Justice

League. I think they're pulling that magical

card. I think they're trying to get everybody

all pissed off and geared up that, oh, they're

going to ruin it. Why don't you just call it

Justice League? And they'll be like, oh, OK,

that's what we're going to call it anyway. So

isn't there a way that you could parlay this

into? Isn't there a. The first. Trying to remember

Maybe I make maybe I'm making the story up in

my head. It's like an amalgamation of some of

the animated series stuff, but isn't there a

Isn't like one of the first episodes of the Justice

League about how they all come together That's

like that's like the first episode right how

they all come together It's the first three episodes,

right? But isn't there isn't there like an odd

man out that they're trying to recruit and isn't

that Superman? No, I think Batman and Superman

end up coming together to begin with. Okay, that's

right, because the aliens attack the Bruce, the

Wayne Tech satellite station. Yeah, and then

they have to... and Batman's got help from the

Martian Manhunter right from the get -go, and

then Wonder Woman comes in, and Green Lantern,

and Flash, and... You know, what if they were

just... doing that? Would be fine with that.

I mean I've heard I I know that they're gonna

be bringing in the flash from TV I've heard that

stuff. I don't know. I don't know if they're

gonna actually bring him specifically. I think

it would be stupid not to If they're gonna have

a television series about it I I don't have a

problem with them introducing all these characters

I just wish that they'd call it what it is and

or you know that Yeah, and just be done with

it instead of trying to dance around this. Oh,

it's Batman versus Superman They're gonna fight

blah blah blah when they've already given that

kind of lead up that it's gonna be a big old

battle and then they went and kind of You know,

I mean that was their way of teasing it, but

I think everybody got and inferred it differently

All right. So basically I think I know what I've

said this before on some podcasts that I've been

on on the geocast radio network is that Yeah,

Marvel went the one direction Excuse me Marvel

went the one direction where They made all these

smaller movies and built up to the Avengers except

Marvel kind of had to do that Because Marvel

was a brand new studio and well that nobody knows

who half the characters are really I mean well

before they DC's gonna start running into that

problem, too But what I'm what I'm what I'm getting

at is Marvel Studios is a brand new studio And

they had to be very careful with how they spent

their money And after they hit the ground running

with Iron Man they just didn't stop You know

they they were they they brought they parlay

the Iron Man success into Iron Man 2 and the

world the universe exploded with iron what the

I'm not saying like Iron Man 2 was like I liked

Iron Man 2 so I will say Iron Man 2 was a good

movie and it exploded it blew up the Marvel Cinematic

Universe into all these different trees so you

got Iron Man and Captain America or Thor and

Captain America which came back around to the

Avengers but each movie the success of each movie

bankrolled the next one and eventually it was

like now they've got like a award chest if you

will to produce all these projects Warner Brothers

doesn't have that problem because Warner Brothers

has some of the most popular franchises in the

world already and though all of those movies

you know fund other movies and I'm not just talking

about like the DC stuff I'm talking about like

you know the Matrix even though that's just like

a they're not making those anymore but they've

got the Lord of the Rings movies they've got

the um Harry Potter movies, which they're not

done with Anyway, they have bigger franchises

than just comic book stuff to To generate revenue

for their companies, so they don't have to start

with these smaller pictures the way that Marvel

did I think they can just go Balls to the wall

and come out swinging with a Justice League movie

right off the bat And then and then spin them

off into their smaller movies like I think I

think they can go the opposite direction That

Marvel did because they have they already have

the money I can see that so my only concerns

is that legendary pictures is no longer involved

and Nolan's not really involved anymore, but

I do like Snyder and Goyer as a writer. I don't

have a problem with His directing leaves a little

bit Be desired, but I did like blade 3 so Yeah,

I'm I'm a little stuck as well, but again, it's

it's one of those things they're having fun with

the rumors and they're having fun with the castings

and Like doomsday is possibly possibly gonna

be in it or Martian man hunters partial possibly

gonna be in it and I bet flash and I think I

think we'll see Well, who was in that? I think

you'll see Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash,

Green Lantern and probably Martian Manhunter.

As far as who the villain is, I have no idea.

I mean, I know there's the rumors and I would

like to see I would like to see Doomsday, but

I don't think the death of Superman is something

you can do now yet. No, I think that's three

movies in so. but um Yeah, all right. I just

wanted to get my piece in because I wasn't able

to talk about that stuff last week and as far

as the casting goes for Wonder Woman I'm fine.

I I'm not judging any any Casting thing until

I actually see a trailer so or see them in the

costume for one but see not even that doesn't

even do it because Well, yeah, we've talked about

this because everybody When the Green Lantern

trailer hit everyone laughed at that suit and

the suit wasn't the problem with that movie It

was the man well one it was the mask they really

should have just used an actual mask instead

of having a CG mask But like they're doing on

arrow right, but that movie had bigger problems

than that so So it's one of those things where

it's like. I don't even know I don't need to

I Don't know what it's gonna take, but I'm Will

probably have to reserve judgment until like

the final product because I don't want to go

too into deep too in -depth about this but I

Am really excited for amazing spider -man 2,

but that first trailer looks awful But that's

just my opinion I can talk about that on unlike

Mware weekly if I ever decide to be on that podcast

again So yeah So Arkham origins Sure So I guess

I'll let you start out on that since you started

playing it before I did well I Was thinking I

could I was actually thinking I was thinking

I could piggyback off of you because you have

played it more recently than I have plus you

Have played the other two well I've played the

other two But you played city for a lot longer

than I do like a lot of your initial reactions

on Twitter that I saw were a direct reaction

of having kind of just left Arkham City. Yeah.

So I'd rather just piggyback off of what you've

got to say, because I've I've talked about it

on off the cuff and a little bit on here. So

I'd like to just piggyback on your. Transformation,

if you because it seems like you are enjoying

the game. More than I did like the first day.

Yeah, the the first day I I only had a half hour

to play I got through the Incredibly long credits

Arkham City You have like three studios that

pop up or You know the three you have the one

mega screen where it's got a bunch of them on

there And it's you can hit start and pretty much

bypass a lot of it after the three Whereas in

origins you have to sit through like six or seven

of them Which annoys me because then I have to

sit there and wait and I mean it's not long It's

like 20 30 seconds, but it's it's still it drives

me nuts Because I just want to get in the game.

I don't care The Initial impression like from

the screenshots and little animation things that

they have at the beginning. I really like that

the presentation on it's a lot nicer than Arkham

Asylum and Arkham City as far as the aesthetics

for the bad suit, the different modes, the health

bar. It was a little jarring to get used to because

Asylum and City, you know, you had the slight

differences and improvements between the two.

And then being that Warner Brothers Montreal

did this, they kind of retooled everything. So

getting in it right from the get -go I didn't

have a problem with The play other than it seemed

like and and you kind of brought this to my attention

to Being that it's the very beginning and it's

like one of his early battles and everything

It seemed like some of the button pressing was

nerfed Yeah, the the input lag from the controller,

which is something we've talked about off the

cuff and we didn't know if it was on accident

or if it was intentional for it to be like a

Unfinished a raw more Raw Batman than You know

the veteran Batman So I mean the the counter

buttons and everything else like all that stuff

if because I had just played Arkham City And

a lot of that's fast -paced especially towards

the end I was kind of ready for it ahead of time

Because it seems like in this game the battles

go a hell of a lot faster than Arkham City And

Arkham Asylum, it seems like the punching goes

a lot faster You're you're in and out a lot quicker

than you would have been in the other two. Mm

-hmm Which I like it. It's just it's Painful

on the hands when you're doing multiple battles

throughout the day But um Know the fight first

fight with crack was interesting. I didn't mind

it It again was kind of reminiscent of the the

Titan charged guys in Arkham City and No, that

was Yeah Which you know, I mean that's that's

fine They I like some of the added dynamics of

you know having the ninjas and having the Titan

chart or the um venom -charged guys in this in

origins and it seemed like after the croc fight

all of the the nerfing to the the counters and

everything else went away it seemed like everything

kind of lined up perfectly again with the with

the the buttons oh really Yeah, cuz yeah, it

hasn't done that. It hasn't done that for me.

So It's I don't know if it was a glitch or something.

I have had a couple glitches with the game where

the And it wasn't until later where the dialogue

actually It gets out of sync of the video I've

had that happen with like the nothing with like

the cutscenes both the interrogations I've had

it happen with those Haven't had it in the interrogation

mine was actually on a cutscene. Oh wow It was

it was on where Joker is being Having his psychiatric

evaluation by Harley Quinn. Oh It was right at

the beginning of that it some of the stuff got

out of sync and I was like, okay that's a little

strange and I thought I was gonna have to shut

the game off and reboot it because In Arkham

City, I actually managed to find some glitches

jumping off Wonder Tower in a certain manner.

You can free fall into the bottom of the map

and keep falling forever. I don't know how I

did it, but I did. But I was afraid of that happening

with this game, but I haven't had any lockups

so far, thankfully. So, I mean, it's a little

jarring. I do like the combined weaponry of Arkham

Asylum City, all in origins, plus the new electro

gauntlets and the remote grapple, which I really

like both of those, especially the gauntlets.

But uh No, I mean those those are pretty cool.

I like the story throughout it. I was kind of

concerned about it after all of the things that

happened throughout asylum and city and how they

were gonna try and kind of Bridge the gap before

asylum to kind of fit it all the way through

and I think they've tied all the Side quests

in there really nicely. It's like The cohesiveness

of asylum, but the openness of city Yes, I I

don't know one of the things that dander and

I I said on off the cuff is that this is like

Arkham asylum made you feel like you were playing

Like like made you feel like you were Batman

in an instance like because asylum obviously

takes place This is where it gets kind of confusing

because all the games take place over one night

Different nights, but one night but Asylum Being

that it's in one location. It makes you feel

like you're Batman in that one instance and I

feel like Origins does a really good job of making

you feel like Batman Just just feels like being

Batman on any given night like this is what he

goes out and he does Yeah, and for some reason

for me that Again, even though the game takes

place over one night. I still feel like I'm I

still feel like I'm just it's Like I'm playing

on different nights And I don't know if it's

like the cutscenes or just like my imagination

But I feel like when I come out of something

it's like oh like 12 hours has elapsed and now

it's like the next night You know, like I don't

I don't know. It just feels like that to me because

it doesn't feel like I'm playing for eight for

eight hours on Christmas Eve like the game is

supposed to take place over eight hours on Christmas

Eve and it just it's it doesn't feel like it's

doing that it feels like it's taking place over

multiple evenings um but no I do like the story

what do you think of the voice acting um I well

first off um Bane I I can see why now Bane sounds

slightly different um and then eventually later

he sounds like his self later on, like in the

future. I haven't gotten to that point yet, but

I've watched a clip scene of where somebody's

actually put all of it together, so you can kind

of see what happens in the story. I wanted to

watch it as a movie, all the cutscenes and all

the, you know, throughout some of the battles.

I was quite impressed with that. I think Cobblepot

is the same voice actor. OK, but nobody cares

about those guys. Come on, we care about the

two big ones. Yes, yes. I was, yeah, I was tiptoeing

around it. Troy Baker playing the Joker. I think

did a phenomenal job. I if there's anybody to

succeed Mark Hamill, it's this guy It's hard

to tell right? It's it's it's I mean you could

probably turn points certain points. It is hard

to tell depends on what he's saying It depends

on the the emotional level of the Joker at certain

points in the game in order to tell If he's getting

real dark and kind of gritty and he's he's doing

that kind of stuff I can definitely tell because

it sounds like a more gritty younger Joker Mm

-hmm that Hamill never actually hit that area

He went darker with it, but it was in a different

range This sounds like a young energetic range

Now when he gets into his goofy and all the rest

of the the tones he sounds I Would say 90 % close

to Mark Hamill So I really enjoy I really love

what they've done with the Joker and the surprise

twists with how they introduce him and Throughout

the game and there's I know there's an interesting

twist at the end but it also explains in this

one how he comes to know harley quinn and um

uh why he why he has an infatuation well yeah

and why he has an infatuation with batman which

it never actually explained before yeah like

i said they did it they've done like i said before

they did a lot of interesting things with just

the characters in this one they explain a lot

about there's a dynamic There's a characterization

to Batman in Origins that I don't think I've

ever seen before. Maybe outside of the comics.

Yeah. And that's been really cool. And the same

thing with The Joker. It's not a prequel in the

sense that... You know, it's just it comes before

the other two games. No, this is like a prequel

It's actually it's telling it's just telling

it's telling you stuff. It's like this is why

the things are the way that they are and this

is How they become It's not necessarily how they

become these people because the Joker is still

already the Joker Well, this is it also introduces

the first time that Batman ever encounters him,

right? Well aware of everyone else but him right,

but I'm just saying it's not It's not the Joker's.

You're not seeing the Joker's origins in this.

In this game, you're seeing their first their

first meeting. That's that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, well, and it kind of shows. Yeah, it tells

you what happened, but it's not. It's in a cut

scene. You don't actually do. Yeah, like you're

not. It's telling you what happened through the

Joker telling his story to Harley Quinn. And

it's not you. It's not an event that takes place

in the game Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah,

that's no I definitely it's not like it's not

like you're you're trailing I'm just using this

as an example here It's not like there's a level

in the game where you're playing as Batman trailing

Just some guy walking through access chemicals,

and you drop them in Nevada chemicals. You don't

do that That's you know That is not a thing in

this game But I do agree with you about the voice

of the Joker I remember I remember Dan and I

came in the same conclusion. I believe I brought

up to you is that the portrayal of Batman in

this one is more along is it actually kind of

fits the The suit like the armored Batman kind

of like Bales Batman should have like cuz there's

There's hints of Bale's Batman in this Batman.

I think this is Bale's Batman done right. Yes.

Agreed. It's got that nice, serious kind of deep

and serious tone of Kevin Conroy. But then it's

got the gruffness of, you know, of Bale when

he's actually, you know, worked up. Yeah. Which

that I will concede that I think that that does

work really well for these Arkham games. No.

What do you like? What is your because you're

you're the Batman guy? like and I know we had

concern like I will be the first one to admit

I had concerns about origins when it was no longer

Rocksteady and It wasn't Kevin Conroy. It wasn't

Mark Hamill, but Dang it if they didn't do something

good and that really makes me sad because I was

kind of hoping that they would fall flat on their

face So you like the Joker did you like Batman

Yes and no. Yes, I liked it. I think it points,

when he's doing these serious talking, that's

when I really notice. And I think it bothers

me more that it's an imitation of Kevin Conroy

and not Kevin Conroy. While I appreciate what

the guy is doing. And I would not, you know.

have changed what's there for obvious reason.

And I do like the Christian bailness to the attitude

and the anger. But something about it rubs me

the wrong way hearing him talk serious and when

he's like doing his detective type stuff and

not hearing Kevin Conroy doing it because of

the fact that it sounds like an imitation of

Kevin Conroy. Let's see. That's interesting because

I thought this Batman as a whole The voice that

they I have wish I knew the guy's voice the voice

actors name. I feel really bad that I don't but

I I feel that The guy that they got to do the

voice for this Batman I don't feel like he was

doing as much of impersonation as Conroy as Troy

Baker was of Mark Hamill I actually felt like

the guy that did the voice for Batman in origins

Fit that voice fit that That Batman design better

than Conroy's voice did Because one of the issues

I had with Asylum and city is yes. I I did I

I enjoyed asylum. I did not like city, but I

one of the things that You know, we got everyone

got excited about especially with asylum, which

is you know, you've got it was Paul Dini, right?

Yeah, yeah You know, he's writing the story,

and it's Rocksteady, and it's a Batman game,

and they're bringing in Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill,

and it's all the voices from the animated series,

and it was like, all the voice work in that game

was fan service. Pure and simple. Which was an

excellent way to get as many people interested

in the game as they could possibly do. That's

fine. But the one thing that I always felt didn't

work... with asylum and city was Conroy's voice

for that for that Batman I Feel I don't feel

like Conroy Conroy's voice works with an armored

Batman does that make any sense? Mm -hmm whereas

Hamill's Joker I feel like Hamill's Joker has

the Clearly has the range to play the gritty

psychotic Joker like you've got your animated

Cartoon one and then you've got your psychotic

one that's represented in the Arkham games He

has the range to play that I just don't I don't

feel like Conroy I like I love Conroy's Batman

talking around Conroy is my Batman. I just don't

feel like he was This Batman Yeah, and I feel

like the guy that they got for origins. Well,

yes There are certain things like there are certain

times when you when he is talking when he's a

little slower and he's doing the detective thing

I can see how Maybe it it it can be conceived

as a as a as a parody that it's like he's trying

to imitate Conroy, but it's kind of like one

of those things where it's like if you've got

any guy any Any manly man, I guess doing like

a softer tone Just kind of like thinking you

can kind of make they kind of all sound the same

to a certain degree Yeah But I feel like I just

feel like the guy that they got to be to do the

voice as the younger Batman Like I feel like

that voice actually finally fit that kit that

Batman design But one of the other interesting

things is how the costume has worked like how

the costume has evolved over the three games

It almost looks more advanced in this past iteration

than it does in the other two well cuz what's

really well I can see how it's more body armor

well Okay, cuz origins is a prequel to all of

them, but if it goes origins and then asylum

and then city like Don't understand how you go

from one you go from origins to the asylum suit

because the asylum suit is very like comic book

II you've got the really tall ears and I Aesthetically,

I hate Arkham asylum the suit the suit and I

hate the the the inability to actually hang on

to things and and not and actually like glide

off of them without Kind of like the stuff that

they introduced in city and then not having some

of the gear from city I just I Generally, I don't

like playing asylum only for those reasons I

like the game but a lot of that stuff just it

tears me away from playing it Well, they're two

different they're two different things. I think

a lot of the gadgets that like But you look at

this game and you have every gadget that he has

throughout the two games and then Asylum and

he's like left without a lot of it, but okay,

but asylum is such a different Beast all together

like it's not it's not like the other two And

then and the way they set it up where he doesn't

have all his toys to begin with like he's caught

off guard from the get -go about having to go

in to asylum like That works. And a lot of the

gadgets that they introduce in City and that

carries over into Origins is a direct result

of them having an open world game. Like they

have to give you a way to move around the place

a lot faster. Whereas Asylum, you're essentially

in a building most of the time. Like you don't

have the... You know, you don't have a world

that takes you... You know what I'm saying like

the the traversal between the two the two styles

of games is completely different So you don't

have to have the you don't need the zip gun or

you don't need the ability to Glide because there's

nowhere to glide to an asylum But no I I always

I I've said this before I always like the suit

in asylum that you can only get in the combat

like the combat trainer Which is the armored

one. Oh yeah. I love that suit. Why can't...

That's like, that was kind of where the suit

came from for City. Oh yeah, definitely. Because

it's getting all like, armored. And it's like,

why can't I use that one in Asylum? But that's

a completely other story. So... His name, by

the way, is Roger Craig Smith. Well, there you

go. He's got three first names. No. Whatever.

I... Okay. So you gradually well and I want to

touch on the just lightly on the other voice

actors For the Riddler who's enigma in this game?

It's the same voice actor throughout the three

games The penguin is the same Mad Hatter is the

same Oracle or Barbara Gordon is the same really?

Yep Dr. Harley in Quinzel is Tara Strong who

replaced Arlene Sorkin from the asylum. She did

Harley in the Arkham City. And then Quincy Sharp

is the same. The changes obviously are the Batman

and the Joker. something I found quite interesting

is they had Harvey Bullock in this game I don't

know if you noticed that or not yes yeah and

it's the Batman the animated series voice oh

cool because I heard it the first time he started

talking because I heard that Danny DeVito -ish

type talk, and I was like, wait a second, they

got an original voice actor back, and he played

Bullock in the animated series, the Superman,

the New Adventures, and the Mask of the Phantasm.

All the DCAU, I thought it was kind of cool that

they brought him back for Origins, even though

he's not in the other two. Which great I have

another cat Nice But no, I mean and it's it the

rest of the the voice cast was cool as well But

I just I that was one nice nod that I saw in

there when I was playing it Even though most

people probably didn't pay attention to it So

I was trying to mute myself but um so originally

you had a tough transition going from city to

going into um origins but you've like for me

I didn't have that issue because I played through

origins or I played through city uh disliked

it and never played it again um but you've played

it the last two years on and off yeah um Well,

like Arkham Asylum, I played it on the PC before

I ever got an Xbox 360. I beat it on the PC.

I would never play a game like that on the PC

ever again. I couldn't imagine doing that on

the PC. I mean, I know you can change the buttons,

but the way I had to set it up, like I said before,

because I had Windows 98 on the keyboard, I would

either hit the Alt key or the Windows key and

it would throw the entire game for a loop so

I had to stretch my hand across the keyboard

which is quite painful to actually play and use

the mouse and all the other controls so thus

playing it on an Xbox 360 it's a lot easier but

when I re -bought the game for the 360 after

having played Arkham City for quite some time

It was it was so bad trying to go back and play

it I had a hard time But Arkham City I played

it from the moment I bought my Xbox 360 on Black

Friday of 2011 Because I got it for 30 bucks

and then I got system for 199 But played it from

that point on until when I got origins for this

Black Friday and you had a difficult time adjusting

and I had a slightly difficult time adjusting

more so because while I was I'm pretty hard to

get hit by any bullets or get touched in Arkham

City I found that the AI in Origins is a hell

of a lot better than either of the other games.

I could pretty much in Arkham Asylum walk up

behind or next to somebody and they'd not notice

and same thing with City. I could walk up next

to a sniper and I could silently take down a

guy that's standing almost kind of diagonal from

the other guy and he wouldn't see me take down

his buddy next to him. Mm -hmm, and then I could

walk over and silently take him down, too It

was that stupid whereas this game I tried to

take a sniper down on a roof and because you're

normally so close to Narcum City They can't shoot

you This game they have no bones about shooting

you even if you're a point -blank range right

They will shoot you and then they will call for

help and they will come out of nowhere and attack

your ass And everybody wants to beat you up like

no matter what level of thug it is They all want

to beat you up. Well all the thugs and all the

gangs and all the cops Yeah, the the other nice

thing I like about origins is when you jump off

the building whether it be ice down below or

a side street You can disappear from view You

can just jump right off the building and just

land somewhere. Which I quite like. I also like

the fast travel with the batwing. That's where

I notice a lot of audio lag. It's that's real

bad with lag. I almost think that like I mean,

I know it's it's a it's a service thing and I'm

fine with that. But. I almost wish that they'd

kind of just cut that and just had like a loading

screen and just you went to that location. Right.

But I do like that feature and I do like that

how if you unlock it you can fast travel not

have to worry about you can go at any time and

traverse to those areas and not have to do the

Arkham City route of circling around in a giant

horseshoe. To get where you needed to go I guess

I don't remember city that well well Arkham City

They would give you a mission on one side of

the map and then you'd have to go around this

giant you Because the center of the the map was

the The towers and You had the giant wall, oh

yeah, so you had to go all the way around to

do something. And then you had to go all the

way back around to do something else. And then

you had to sidestep all the guys with guns, whereas

this one is a lot harder to navigate around guys

with guns. You know, I just realized. Have you

tried going to where Crime Alley is? In this

game? Yeah. I don't know if I've actually gotten

there or not. Well, you can go there right off

the bat, I think. I think so, but I can't remember

if I've been there. I'm wondering if anything

happens when you do go there because it's like

You can That's one of the things I do enjoy about

origins is that all the place most of the places

in city Are all still there and you can see them.

They're just not as rundown as they were in city

Yeah, I've actually come across a lot of those

areas on the map already and you can definitely

tell where Certain areas were fenced off in city

And I like that it's not run down and everything.

And I can tell where some buildings have been

either knocked down or used to be higher or have

a different set up on the very top of the buildings.

Right. In this game compared to city, which that

tends to be confusing because when I'm in the

areas where you have the city Arkham City layout.

I'm expecting to see the rest of the buildings

like at least somewhat comparable to Arkham City

and they're not right, but you do still see the

landmarks of you know, like the ace chemical

and Wonder Tower the court and stuff like that

so Nice nods in there. I mean, it's I mean obviously

they fence off part of Arkham or part of Gotham

City for Arkham City, so It makes sense. Right.

All right. You have anything else you want to

talk about? I mean, we can probably do an update

again later when we get further along. Like I

stated before, I don't know if I said it on the

recorder before the record, but I. I did. All

the way up to I'm getting ready to fight firefly.

I'm diffusing bombs at the moment I have fought

Bane once which that was a pain in the butt.

Yeah, it was I hear the next one is worse. Oh

great because he starts off in a somewhat Venom

mode and then You kind of fight him and then

he throws you through a wall and you end up Spoil

it come on. Well, I know that eventually you

you have to you hide hide around in some kind

of a like super thing and they turn on the Disruptor

so you can't use detective mode. Oh wonderful

Or at least when he gets towards the end of his

life Like I said, I've watched the video so I

know what's gonna happen, but it's still Mostly

watched it because I want to know what I got

to do for Bain because I don't want to have to

figure it out While I'm getting pummeled, right?

That's the other thing the death screen. I really

like how they automatically start reloading Yep,

you don't have to say continue Yeah I Actually,

I pulled the trigger Just as a an update because

this will be out before we do our next giant

-sized episode of off the cuff, which is 39 and

40 I Pulled the trigger on some capture hardware

for video games Nice, so now I as of some should

it should arrive tomorrow. I purchased the Elgato

game capture HD So I I am now able to stream

all of my video games online. Oh, nice. So I

think tomorrow, because I'm not able to get Joe

from Off the Cuff to play GTA Online with me,

I think I'm going to attempt to finish Arkham

Origins tomorrow and I'll probably just, I'm

gonna live stream. My entire play session tomorrow,

so if anyone is listening to this and would like

to see that You can follow you can head over

to twitch I think it's like it's twitch .com

slash booth ninja 81 is my Is my tag, but there'll

be links and stuff on Twitter to go and watch

it if anyone is interested in seeing that stuff.

And I'm starting to do that stuff more because

the PlayStation 4 has that stuff built into it

and it's a lot of fun. Well, maybe eventually

I'll be able to catch one. So just kind of lightly.

What do you think they're gonna do for the next

Arkham game? I know it's kind of premature being

that they just came out with this and They've

already got you know some expansions in the works

for this like the Plays Bruce Wayne initiation

type thing and the various skins and all that

which I plan to get Know the the the rumblings

is is that? Roxay's working on another game.

I Don't know that they're working on an Arkham

game I think they're working on a Justice League

game like that I heard that room before I heard

that they were working on their Arkham game and

that's why what you know Ubisoft or Ubisoft Warner

Brothers Montreal got the origins job I Man You

know, what's funny is they may have found Excuse

me. This is really bad. This could get really

bad really fast but they may have found a way

to annualize the Arkham games I Hope they don't

annualize them. I will like them coming out every

other year because you had asylum in 09 In 11

you had city and in 13 you have origins I think

if they're gonna do the Justice League one it

would actually work out perfectly with the 2015

release of the Batman vs Superman movie I don't

think they want to do that. I think I I think

that I Think we'll get an announcement e3 if

not before So you're thinking a 2014 release

I think I think what's gonna happen is there's

either gonna be they're either going to annualize

the Arkham franchise or Rocksteady is going to

have some DC game in 2014 and then Warner Brothers

Montreal is going to have another Arkham game

in 2015. I know that the Montreal Being and I

was reading rumblings of this somewhere. I don't

have the exact source on me right now, but If

I find it all I'll be sure to bring that back

up I was reading that There's gonna be another

game by They've basically given my tree all the

rights to play around with the timeline before

Asylum. Right. So they can make more games as

long as they fit in that, you know, span of years

between Origins and Asylum. And then I think

that Rocksteady is getting everything city and

beyond. Right. Well, that's what I'm saying.

I think that we'll get I think when that when

I say annualized, I think in 2014 we're going

to get a Say I say DC I'm thinking it's gonna

be like a Justice League thing or it's gonna

be an Arkham game with the Justice League characters

I Think you're gonna get I think we're going

to get a Rocksteady. Oh Screw it. Let's just

say let's just make it really simple for people

to understand what I'm saying I think we're gonna

get a Rocksteady Arkham game this year or in

2014 and then I think you're gonna get a an Arkham

game by Warner Brothers Montreal in 2015 That

way each studio has two years to work on a game

But there's still a game every year. It's exact.

It's the same thing that Activision has done

with Call of Duty with Call of Duty between Treyarch

and Infinity Ward and it's also what Ubisoft

has done with the Assassin's Creed franchise

Now I don't think Warner Brothers as a studio

has the I don't know that the Arkham franchise

has the clout that Call of Duty or Assassin's

Creed does, but those two models prove that it

can be done, and at least with Assassin's Creed...

It does show that you can still have quality

games with an annual release. The question is,

will people pay $60 for a new story every year?

I probably will. But I do think that that's the

direction that they're heading, especially if

what you said in that article is true, where

they've given Ubisoft or Warner Bros. Montreal

carte blanche to play around before Arkham Asylum.

I think you'll get Arkham Origins 2 in 2015 and

you'll get Arkham, what is essentially what would

be Arkham Asylum 3 in 2014. I'm ready for that,

especially since whatever the next one's going

to be, it's going to be on the next gen systems

and it's going to look so pretty. So pretty I

that's what's gonna make me sad about it is I'm

still on the 360 I can't afford a new system

at this point Probably until it hits the 199

range again So that means unless they magically

decide that they're still gonna support 360 through

the end of 14. Oh, yeah. No the 360 360 and ps3

they won't lose support like Right away. No a

game like that. You'll still see I would actually

be surprised if Multi -platform games aren't

available on the 360 and the ps3 up through 2015

That that install base is so large that And I

and I say the multi -platform stuff like you're

not gonna see exclusive games Will not be on

the like like For example uncharted 4 This is

an example will not be on the ps3. That will

be a PlayStation 4 only game That would be like

one of those games as a reason to buy a PlayStation

4 they'll use that as a system seller, but for

like third party companies like Warner Brothers

games and Ubisoft and stuff like that. They want

that install base to to maximize their profits.

And I think you'll still see Assassin's Creed

games and Arkham games and stuff like that. And

even Call of Duty, I think you'll see those up

until at least 2015, if not longer than that,

because there's a section of the people that

the prices need to come down on the new hardware

in order to get it. And some people can't even

see the benefit of buying the new hardware. Unless,

unless Microsoft or Sony is going to step up

and, you know, pay Warner Brothers, Warner Brothers,

Ubisoft or other studios to neglect that install

base. That's always a possibility. But it's the

the same reason that that The next Arkham game

that comes out next year will be on the 360 is

the same reason that Grand Theft Auto 5 was not

released on the ps4 and the and the Xbox one

it's because The ps3 and the 360 just have a

ginormous install base. I think it's like a hundred

million units between the two of them Wow, if

not more and I think there's only four million

ps4s and in Xbox ones and a month out there So

yeah, they're selling like crazy. The consoles

clearly aren't dead as everyone wanted you to

believe with the Wii U, but they... The install

base for the next -gen hardware is just not there

for multi -platforms to ignore the PS3 and the

360 yet. They'd be shooting themselves in the

foot unless they got a nice big fat truck of

money to ignore them. So I think I think you're

safe. Well, that makes me happy. I really hope

so, and I don't doubt that. I'm pretty sure that

you're right on the money there. So any kind

of questions we want to ask the listeners? Shoot,

I don't know. Do you have one? I guess I can

round off a couple. What is... has anybody actually

played Arkham Origins and or any of the other

Arkham games and what are your thoughts about

it if you have played them? And the other thing

is what is a non superhero topic that you'd like

to hear us talk about in the future? Since lately

we've been heavily on that because of either

a video games, comics, TV, or film news. I've

got another question that might help us get off

of this stuff. I kind of thought about it right

as I handed it off to you. What jobs have you

had in the past that you've hated? What are some

of the worst jobs that you've had? You know,

maybe you're still in the worst job that you've

ever had. I don't know Like maybe like odd job

or like, you know And like how long did you stay

there? Like how did you did you like leave in

some fantastic way or like just like I don't

know anything like that Like crazy work experiences

or just like the most awful Work experience you've

ever had. I think that'd be kind of fun to talk

about Because I've had tons of different jobs

and different stories and stuff like that. So

So by it'd be fun to see what other people have

to say because I know sometimes on off -the -cuff

Danner talks about his experience at working

at GameStop and stuff like that but no it'd be

it'd be interesting to see what people have to

say about their jobs and Jobs as they've had

in the past. It's like, you know when they're

growing up and stuff like that the different

types of jobs that people have had If you so

if yeah, if you guys want to share that we can

talk about that kind of stuff on a future episode.

I mean, it's not super geeky, but it's something

that everyone has in common, and everyone has

an opinion on it. So maybe we can give that a

shot in an upcoming episode. Sounds good. And

if they want to get in touch with us and let

us know all their opinions and their stories

and stuff like that, Steve, how do they do that?

Well... They can call the voicemail line 502

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scp21 and yours is at booth ninja 81 So I think

that about rounds it out this episode. So as

always get altered get geeky with the altered

geeks See you next time