Star Wars, Batman v Superman, and Daredevil Talk

Chewie, we're home. Oh, and welcome to Altered

Geek Unlimited, episode 84. I'm your host, Steve

Megatron Phillips, and joining me this week are...

Michael Booth, Ninja Powers. And movie revolt

Dan. Yes, our special guest. Special's a strong

word, but yeah, thanks for having me. Is this,

forgive me, is this your first time or second?

Second. Okay. Second time. I was on, in the...

Early stages. Early stages, and I think it was...

Means Steve and I were talking. I think we talked

about stand -up comedy or something. I don't

remember but it was a topic. Yes It was back

when uh, you know the early early Ongoings of

the Batman versus Superman saga before we even

had a title. So that's how long ago it was Yeah,

now I remember that okay now and there's still

nothing much to show about it Still so all that

time still no trailer. Yeah, we know about James

Bond and Star Wars And yeah, which the Star Wars

is very fascinating so So what what shall we

touch on first? Well, I just want to get something

out of the way because I think it's gonna be

rather boring to talk about and I Forgive me.

I can't get the if you can read that comment

Steve from which one Reply do it was on the it

was on the website. We read the first part of

the second part actually hang on It's loading.

Okay. Anyways, it was I just want to make sure

that I get the guy's name in here about Brad

Lincoln, right? Yes, Brad Lincoln Because we

brought up last week about the whole Kickstarter

thing and I admit I had my head up my ass about

that the whole time I mean My opinion is still

my opinion. I totally understand why things are

the way that they are but we were talking about

He talked about how he usually just backs kickstarters

that he is Familiar with he feels more comfortable

with that because he feels like he's more likely

to get a return than on like a unknown Company

or an unknown group of people trying to just

make a random product and that got me I replied

with you know, I Understand where he's coming

from with that. I also take that a step further

on what when making purchases online like I don't

buy anything from eBay I don't Buy anything off

of Amazon that isn't like fulfilled by Amazon

Stuff like that Basically when I buy something

online I like to know who I'm buying it from

and I very rarely like to make that transaction

with the person that I'm Buying the product from

because I like there to be a level of What's

the word I'm looking for security yeah security

trust security trust I guess there's a few words

And accountability like if something goes wrong,

I like to be able to Have someone that I can

actually like go after not somebody that can

just like block me or give me like a bad user

rating so like example of Amazon like screws

me over I can You know talk directly to Amazon

customer service like I usually like to deal

with companies that have customer service And

stuff like that like I will buy Another example

is Apps for my computer I will I've never bought

an app for my computer from like the app creators

website I've usually tried to find it in the

Mac app store. Like if it's in the app store,

I will buy it that way. That way I'm not giving

them my personal credit card information like

Apple's giving them their money. And Apple has

my credit card information. I was just wondering

if you guys have anything like that, like as

far as like making purchases online or if you

guys just you just don't really worried about

it until something actually happens. Mean I tend

not to go to companies that or You mean I'm more

like, you know, like an Amazon or something that

I will purchase from them but if it's someone

who's a little bit more out there, I'm not gonna

give them my credit card information just because

a little bit more so, you know Worried about

where that can go. I I don't really I mean I

buy a lot of stuff on amazon But I don't really

buy many purchases. Otherwise online a great

deal. Um, i've never gotten anything on ebay

But I want to be necessarily against it and i've

done like craigslist purchases before but that's

you know in person Um in a public location not

like someone's house because I don't you know

that that could also be troublesome. Um But no,

I I don't know like I I've gotten stuff on Amazon

which wasn't one of their products but more so

I didn't realize it as I did it at the time I've

done that previously in one time when I forget

what I purchased but it didn't come in the mail

and I Contacted Amazon and they indicated, you

know wasn't from them was from a third party

Didn't realize at the time but I ended up getting

my money refunded anyways Because Amazon's customer

service is pretty for not phenomenal So I I don't

know. I don't have a policy per se Anything I

just if I if I'm gonna get credit card information

though, I do make sure it's at least someone

who is a notable company So it's someone I'm

not worried that my credit card will get stolen

But in this today's day and age if your car gets

stolen, it's pretty easy. It's an easy fix for

the most part. Oh, yeah, totally It's just a

basis best to avoid the hassle, you know like

I have to go and cancel the card and wait for

them to send me a new one and what? I mean like

if you look at recently you never really look

at like target what happened to them and the

you know in that that whole was it last year

or two years ago where you know, They got hacked

and so many people's private information was

was taking credit card information So something

you know just because go to an Amazon or a notable

brand doesn't necessarily mean you're safe So

no, it doesn't but again, there's a there's accountability

there like you'd like to think so Well, it's

a there's a whole like lawsuit and settlement

thing with target. Yeah. Well as far as I'll

depo had the same thing go wrong and They actually

were giving everyone about it. I think it was

a free year of Identity checks and Protection,

you know the same thing happened with the PlayStation

Network when that went down and all that stuff

was gone they you know, they they gave them they

showered everybody in video games and gave them

a free year of identity that protection so It's

it, you know, I'm that's that's more or less

what I'm talking about It's like I'm just more

comfortable with an eating me intermediary there.

Sorry. I woke up like 45 minutes ago that I Like

high on exedrin Yeah, I just like having someone

that's like accountable because then I can my

life is inconvenienced by something that goes

wrong then there's that versus Like my dad buy

stuff off of eBay like all the time and I hear

like horror stories from people making purchases

It's just going like all sorts are wrong Yeah,

my bigger worry with eBay is more so the quality

the product will get in return like I mean especially

if it's something like a movie or something like

that like, you know if I'm buying a lot or Like

that'd be my worry that like just that it's improperly

packaged with something like Amazon I can trust

that they're gonna ship it in You know something

that is sturdy and not just like some envelope

or something like that when you're gonna get

from some Private vendor, you know if you're

gonna get it and the condition is gonna be in

so it's always a concern Not to mention you can't

really be Amazon's prime. No No, no now it's

crazy. Like I can get things in like It takes

less time to get stuff from Amazon now than it

does to order a pizza. It's really insane Get

things like in less than an hour It seems like

I don't even need to go to the grocery store

anymore, which is pretty awesome I wish that

was here, but nothing ever comes to Michigan

anymore Yeah, no only leaves Michigan. Yes, everything's

just leaving They get the bus and they go No,

like I I've bought things off eBay before Back

when PayPal was still partnered with them. I

Don't know how it works now because I haven't

bought anything from them in probably about two

years. I think eBay owns PayPal. I Think they

split off. I don't know like I said, I don't

pay attention to that stuff I don't even I think

I think they split and around that time PayPal

did you know kind of broke off at eBay and They

they were no longer kind of intertwined like

they used to be but that was I would say probably

two years ago that was the last time I bought

something on eBay and most of the time it depended

on what I bought. If I bought like an action

figure or I bought a comic or I bought something

like that I pretty much almost always never had

a problem. If I bought something electronic it

was hit or miss. I bought a car part on there

for my car because I Smacked off my side mirror

on a road cone So I bought one of those on there

for pretty cheap, I think that was the last time

I bought something but um I Did buy some DVDs

and some some video games off the eBay before

trying to save money and I discovered that all

you get is bootlegs So I learned that's not something

I buy from there Pretty much the only place I

I mean I'll buy from like some of these online

toy outlet stores, you know for instance like

your your big bad toy store or You know stuff

like that superhero stuff or Various kind of

geeky sites like that, but for the most part

my main place to go is Amazon Kind of like you

guys for the same reason I just it I've had issues

with discs where I've actually bought one thing

and then the vendor will send me something completely

different. For instance, I tried buying the Star

Trek Q collection where it has all the episodes

where he shows up through TNG, DS9, and Voyager

and they sent me Star Trek Generations. That's

boring. I was like, well, that's sad because

I already owned it. So I got to keep the disk

and I got my money back because I couldn't get

the retailer to Send me the correct item because

that's all I wanted So But yeah, I mean I agree

with you guys for the same reason that you know

I kind of have to trust the place to put my money

there my wife on the other hand if she's trying

to find a bargain will just She'll ask me if

it's okay, and I'll be I'll kind of look it over

make sure it's not a bullshit site, but if Even

then I still don't trust it, but she'll buy it

because she wants to save more in what Amazon's

willing to offer See I don't really I when I'm

when I'm shopping around there's like two places

I go it really depends on looking for book Basically,

I there are two things I look look at it's like

I'm looking for movies or books or video games

or something I compare everything to Amazon if

it's like computer parts I compare it to new

egg But I'll very rarely like go outside of those

Those two things like Best Buy Amazon new egg

and model price. Those are like the four websites.

I'll buy anything from I Can see that The worst

thing that's ever happened to me though to be

honest was something like I think it's happened

like maybe two movies From Amazon they've come

with the spindle like broken. So the disk is

like sliding around inside the case That's always

annoying. I hate that So I know that that happened

with big hero 6 that made me sad So I just put

the DVD on the broken side and then put the blu

-ray on the good side I didn't I didn't sure

I got the Blade Runner series since it was like

the digibook and the corners were bent and but

they ended up basically I called and they refunded

my money, but I kept to keep the this the actual

it wasn't that badly burnt bent, but uh It was

I got a free the special edition of Blade Runner

basically were fronted because they didn't ship

it properly So yeah, it was on like the opposite

of Comcast and like every way possible. Oh I

was going to not bring up Comcast this week,

but I'm sorry had no no it's it's oh, it's all

good No, I yeah Comcast is not Comcast Wow holy

cow. Thanks, Dan No, Amazon is is really great

because I remember I ordered a case for a phone

and There's this like I don't know if you've

ever had them deliver stuff to you Steve But

there's like this besides UPS who is basically

is Amazon's main prime shipper There's another

company that they use sometimes for smaller packages

called Prestige. Is that the one where you see

guys come up in a beat up pickup truck and they

pull it out of the back of their truck and hand

you the package? Yeah. So I remember I was waiting

for a package to arrive and they it was being

sent by Prestige. This is like the second package

I'd ever received from them. And it showed up.

It said it was delivered, but I had been home

like all day. So I was just sitting there waiting,

you know, got to be like eight o 'clock at night

and still no package at my door, though it had

been marked delivered. So I called up Amazon.

I said, hey, listen, I don't know what's going

on. This thing has been marked delivered since

like 1 p .m., but I've been here the entire time.

Nothing's ever been here. They gave me like another

week's worth of prime. They didn't like refund

my money or anything, but they gave me like another

week's worth of prime on top of my subscription

to make up for it. Plus the case ended up being

delivered the next day by the company. And I

called them back and I said, listen, I called

Amazon back and I said, listen, I don't want

this company delivering packages anymore. Not

that there's really anything I think they can

do about that. But I haven't had another package

delivered by Prestige since. So they've all come

UPS, which has been great. Luckily, when I had

them delivered, I had them delivered to my job.

And it was funny because this beat up pickup

truck. pulls up and all the sales people are

getting ready to jump at him and Then the guys

bringing in a package for me And I was like,

wow Amazon it's creepy the bottom of the barrel

there. It's creepy. It's like, why do you have

my package? I don't know you It's like they drop

it off at your house and it's somehow you're

bringing it to me So I did have a little scare

though because I just recently moved, as some

of the listeners may know, but I finally updated

my surround sound speakers. I ordered a set of

Klips quintets and I was here, they were supposed

to be delivered last Friday and I was here all

day and I left for lunch for like an hour. to

go to lunch with my sister and I came back and

I got a notification that said the packages had

been delivered. I was like, I, they're not here.

And so I looked to see and they said that signed

by resident and I was like, okay. And it wasn't

my name. I didn't know the guy's name, who it

was. And so I'm like freaking out. I'm calling

UPS saying, you know, it hasn't been delivered.

I'm calling my relitter to see if they, if like

the way that sold me the house knows. You know

the person's name that signed for the package

or whatever thinking that maybe they got dropped

off at my old house And well what happened is

I guess my new neighbor I think he works out

at his home like buying and selling stuff and

so UPS has like a that's one of their main stops

is my neighbor's house and I guess he had stopped

the UPS guy stopped here when I was gone and

it was like super windy that day and he's Worried

about packages blowing away. So he left him at

my neighbor's house and the neighbors signed

for him. So I, you know, all said and done, I

got my packages and everything was fine, but

it was, it was just a little adventure. Cause

I was like, I've been waiting a week for these.

Wow. So it's all good now. Cause now I know that

his name is Tom and he's a main UPS stop. And

sometimes maybe my packages might get stopped,

might get dropped off there instead of being

dropped off at the back door, but he's a nice

old guy. Don't know I kind of trust him already

That's good. It's like I knocked on the door

and I was like you didn't get any UPS packages

mentions. Oh, yeah, they're in the garage. I'll

go I'll go give them to you So Anyways want to

move on to something more interesting Sure Is

that the the Batman for Superman trailer that

is the Batman or Superman trailer, it's not the

greatest getting yanked everywhere It's currently

working there. So I think I'm gonna wait to actually

Is it is that a hand one like someone hold I

think so it's yeah, it's like a cheeky It's not

the it's not awful, but it sounds like it is

cool. Oh Wait, I'm gonna download it But it's

longer than 20 seconds. So that's not for all

we know this it could end up being like the Godzilla

to the first Godzilla trailer Which was awesome,

and then they pulled it so I Found another one,

but it looks like it's mashed up between other

things Do you want to talk about the 22nd one

real quick? Yeah, we can do that So Mean, I know

part of its recycled Is there any new words I

don't remember hearing words there's nothing

in it. It's just it's just it zones in and then

you have The Superman suit and then it goes to

the bat suit And the only in the logo. Yeah,

then the only new footage there is the bat suit.

Mm -hmm Yeah, I just think like we don't know

like When I clicked on it, I didn't realize it

was going to be like 20 seconds And I just I

don't know I put this on twitter, but I feel

like it should be It should your trailer should

be longer than saying the title it should take

More time to watch your trailer than it does

to say the title of your movie. I don't know

if that's the case with this So it's just I don't

know like it's getting kind of ridiculous the

teasers for the teasers for the treat teasers

It's it's just no it's just when is too many

teasers too much Think you should have a teaser

trailer and then like a normal trailer and then

like maybe your last trailer And that's all you

really need. You don't think you need to go beyond

that. It just here's the thing It's interesting

working at a movie theater. You guys think that

these movies have Well, I don't know about you

Dan. I'm sorry and I'd see what I mean to put

you on a spotlight but a lot of people think

these these these movies have a ton of trailers

and it's broken down between Star Wars and Like

Avengers you guys think it has all these trailers

But really what it comes down to is the way I

look at it as a trailer something that plays

in the theater and then there's TV spots Which

there's an overburden. There's an overabundance

of TV spots for Avengers right now Okay, I'll

give you that but in terms of trailers Officially,

there's only been two. I know that like movie

websites and everything say there's been three

but there's only been two the studio only lists

two because there's the there's the first one

that we saw with them like that everyone remembers

and then there's an extended version of that

same trailer that's still considered one trailer

by the studio and then there's trailer two which

is the most like recent one that has vision in

it but there are other movies out there that

get like six or seven or eight trailers like

eight different trailers And they're not superhero

movies. It's it's bizarre And I can't I can't

name one off the top of my head, but I see them

like all the time They they litter are the hard

drives at or the main server is just filled with

them But it's it's interesting. But yeah TV spots

can be an over, you know an overburden, but Yeah,

I I don't know how I feel about the the tease

of the The tease of the tea. When did they even

start? I know I feel like that was like recently

with like the Marvel stuff Didn't they start

it? Well James Bond you said has done it for

a long time and they've always had little things

here and there where they've like when casino

they've tended like Have their first little tease

before without giving much of anything away,

especially when they got casino royale I thought

there was like a really weird teaser for that,

but I think it I don't know last few years. It's

really exploded with just the DM Marvel has been

kind of notorious for it, but I don't know. I

can't think of anything specifically that kind

of Caused it a lot I mean even like like the

Hunger Games where it's like its first teaser

trailer and it's just a symbol of the Hunger

Games Transforming like that's not that's just

an image. I don't know Those trailers at work

are called they're called logo reveals. They're

not even like I mean they they're labeled as

trailers, but they they're like it says like

Hunger Games logo reveal And it's like how is

this and it's just some voiceover from the movie

it's yeah, and it's always weird especially when

it's a logo that's been revealed because the

books been out for like five years, so it's like

you're not really Revealing anything. You're

just putting it in trailer form or movie form.

But yeah, I don't know it it just It seems to

be I think maybe since like tinder was announced

and or you know with like the six seconds I feel

like that's when it really started like getting

like the six second trailer I'm in was a days

of future past remember doing it last year, too

They had the 15 second like preview to their

trailer and then I don't know it's just getting

less than less It's almost like people are having

a contest to see who's gonna have to leave it

Yeah, the least amount of content in their tracks

Which is I don't know. I just I get it. It's

just a huge marketing ploy, but it's just I think

this whole thing dovetails into the the over

saturation of trailers Right that we were just

kind of hinting at with like TV spots and whatnot

I feel like that and I mentioned this on Twitter

when when Steve and Ryan Cox 20 we're talking

about it I think I've said this before on here

I think it's like feeling like something is like

overplayed or oversaturated in this day and age.

I feel like that is partially our fault. It is.

Because my Twitter feed like blows up with is

full of Star Wars talk right now. And if I don't

have the filters in there, it's full of Avengers

talk and eventually be full of Batman talk. But

that's because of who I follow and the news and

like stuff like how my Twitter feed is curated

like that stuff is gonna be like over saturated

so like if one new TV spot gets announced like

half of my Twitter feed for the day it's gonna

be like breakdowns of that new TV spot or links

to said trailer and it's gonna feel like it's

all the time but it's like it's still just one

it's like one TV spot that just overflows by

Twitter feed for the day and that's my you know

that's on that's on me it's not see I don't watch

a lot of TV so I don't see I don't know how often

you know Marvel plays TV spots for Avengers on

TV especially because even even when I didn't

have a block people were talking about you know

all they're gonna play something during like

the Super Bowl like and you know that's like

a one -time -a -year thing right like that's

not an everyday occurrence or just trying to

hit like a mass market of stuff I don't I don't

know how you guys feel, but do you feel somewhat

responsible for, if you start feeling overwhelmed

by something, do you feel somewhat responsible

for how your news and information is curated?

I took it upon myself to cut down on the Avengers

exposure by blocking keywords like Avengers,

Age of Ultron, Avengers 2. So I don't see anything

related to Avengers in my feed right now and

I have it for like the last week My when I was

referring to over saturation mine not necessarily

the amount but just the length that it occurs

like when Like you have when trailers are announced

earlier and earlier and earlier. It's more so

like yeah It's easy. Like you said, it's easy

to avoid stuff. You just want to click on the

article. So I I don't feel like Oversaturated

in that instance like you know, there's a lot

of Star Wars stuff right now But give it a day

and it's gone away really if you're not on Twitter

at that moment It tends to it tends to fester

the next big thing comes up My more she was more

so that fact that will get it just it's the you

know used not back in the day way back when like

I felt like you didn't get trailers for something

that was two years away, but it seems like now

it's the buildup to trailers is Before anything

even begin shooting and then it's like some sort

of like logo reveal and then you have like every

little like element of a movie Becomes like a

news story or release. It's just kind of keeping

it in the in the lexicon in some ways so that's

the kind of the over saturation I was referring

to but III don't know if I think it's I went

on like last year I tried to like avoid trailers

as much as possible specifically for like interstellar

and It was rather kind of easy at the end of

the day like the only time that was really hard

to avoid trailers was like going to the theater

so I do think there's it we do do it to ourselves

like you mentioned we kind of We keep going fishing

for we keep fishing in the same pond and then

we're surprised when we keep getting the same

stuff So it is kind of a we are the product of

it ourselves. Really. I think it works when It's

a movie that's gonna be more obscure And what

I mean by that is like, you know, you you say

you mentioned interstellar or you know any really

any film It doesn't if it's not your regular

wheelhouse. Like if you're somebody that's geared

towards like the the Star Wars or the DC Marvel

type stuff it's gonna I think that it One you

see more of it because of that because you're

more into that that subject but also it's I think

that's because the way the the theater viewing

has gone everything's pretty much a comic book

film everybody's you know, it's the it's replaced

the craze of all the the undead or the Vampires

or any of that other stuff. So it's right now.

This is the big thing So they're trying to cash

grab it, you know while they still can it but

I think that it kind of hurts it too because

like you said releasing a trailer two years of

just a logo or or Just something just to have

it out there. I think that it kind of ultimately

Really hurts it because it kind of fizzles out

sooner. Well that I think is the studio's problem

because It is the studio but it's it's marvel.

I mean in this particular case, right? Let's

look at if we have to look at the the two I think

the two biggest ones that we're looking at right

now are You're looking at you've got to look

at dc the dc movies and you got to look at the

marvel movies because they're the guys that got

out there and announced an entire slate of movies

Between now and like the end of the century or

you know the decade, right? And so they have

to keep that stuff like in everyone's mindset.

So they're slowly don't like we made fun of Batman

like DC, you know announcing Batman versus Superman

and saying this is this is you know, then I'm

just gonna be Well, yeah, and then it's going

to be Ben Affleck and they every week it felt

like there was some like new news story or something.

We made fun of them for that. But then Marvel

turns around and does the same thing and nobody

says anything about it. Like they they they put

themselves in this hole and they have to keep

they have to keep they have to keep it in in

the lexicon or the zeitgeist of like the for

the fan like the fans are going to follow it.

Sure, but. It's kind of I at one point I you

know, I do agree that you know, just Marvel does

Avengers need another trailer I mean or is it

like coke and Pepsi like they don't need marketing

like you put out a poster in a movie theater

and people are gonna know to go see it or like

a you know here and there but Then again, I don't

see a lot of commercials I don't know how often

coke and Mountain Dew have commercials you were

even if they do anymore like I feel like some

of that stuff is ingrained, you know, like does

You do like it. It's surprising like to keep

that level. You do need to You do need to keep

it out there in a lot of ways like coke does

advertise Coke spends more advertising on than

anyone else in any of their competitors Which

is why they're like the biggest company one of

the biggest companies in the world And I mean

you think you can go based upon just you know,

what your you know your your Brand recognition,

but I think you do need to sustain that in some

ways I mean, that's why coke is like look at

you know has so many sponsorships with certain

people or whatever but uh, um, I don't know like

it it the thing is though it is It's yielded

positive results. So it's as much as we want

would want to say that, you know It's oversaturated

and you know people don't hurt them, but it really

hasn't they've it hasn't hurt them at all It's

proving to work. So I you know, it's they keep

breaking box office records I mean and what Avengers

age of Ultron is gonna probably make more than

the last one which is you know, it's kind of

insane so I don't know like it and Part of it

too is not just a lot of it is free marketing

that they don't even it's people Needing in websites

relying on them to fund their own, you know needing

their own hits those clickbait articles that

are just Not even designed by the studios or

just people looking to get news and stuff like

that So it's interesting is like when it comes

to looking at something like Twitter, you know

I follow a variety of like, you know geek based

stuff But also just more so like art house stuff

and then like sports and stuff So my Twitter

feed will be it'll be a random comedy. You'll

see like things go into different even as in

flows like last month the big thing was like

it follows was a huge thing and then Now the

kind of geekness is kind of taken over and it's

been you know, a lot of Avengers talk So I think

it I think it balances out like and it tends

to you know It there'll be moments where there's

a lot of stuff and then there'll be a new focus

a new thing to talk about so I don't know it

it's Don't know. It's kind of you damned if you

do you damned if you don't type of situation

Well that and even the Avenger stuff it wasn't

the Avengers stuff didn't leak out until I Mean

Avengers 2 was announced in like 2012 or something

like that So it to only be just now getting slapped

in the face of that stuff three years later.

That's not bad Yeah, I mean I kind of I I had

it I was gonna try to do the thing where like

I never watched trailers, but I don't know I

kind of recognize the fact that I kind of do

like watching trailers and and there's there's

some Part of the experience in some ways It's

more so the thing I have more of an issue with

and when it's like you're just you're giving

me nothing and you're making it You're trying

to act like it's something so if that's that's

more of my issue. I think like when it's just

like a hey look a costume Yeah, I think I think

I've taken the the stance with with trailers

is that I'm gonna watch the first one like on

my own Because I, like you, I like trailers.

My joke with going to the movies used to be,

and to a certain extent still is, I come for

the trailers, but I stay for the movie. Because

I, it's one of the things about my theater that

kind of irked me when I started working there

is that they only play three trailers. I love

going and sitting through like six, seven, eight

trailers before the movie starts. But it's...

Took it upon myself to watch like the first trailer

for anything and Kind of judged like I don't

I don't ever look at the trailer and be like,

oh that movie's gonna be bad I look at like I

don't know what that trailer told me, you know,

like like is that a good trailer? Like I kind

of like judge trailers like a little mini movies

Rather than As you know, does that really interest

me and see the whole thing because generally

if a title doesn't interest me too much I or

like the director or the actor or something that

I'm not really gonna give it like a shot like

there's there's so many things that cross my

mind before I even Decide whether I'm gonna watch

a trailer for something that the trailer has

no influence on whether or not I'm going to see

a movie Yeah, that's same for me like I didn't

well I tend to watch like everything that's my

problem, but Yeah, like I tend to like if it's

a Say like a cohen brothers movies coming out.

I i'm gonna watch it because I love the cohen

brothers I tend to not watch seek out the trailer,

but i'll seek out the trailer for For like avengers.

I don't know why that is but I just I guess because

there is like an art to make in a trailer and

I do think When it comes to a movie like in avengers,

there's more it's I guess there's more of a that

geek factor to it where In you having the expectation

because it's coming from a property, you know

Or something that's brand new and it's a little

bit different So I like you and that trailer

is never a make or break for me But I do I do

like to think there is an art to it and I do

like seeing it when it's done properly Speaking

of the the the trailers and I'm just this is

just reading what people have said about the

trailer And I kind of feel this way after I kind

of watched it that Released leaked whatever trailer

of that member Superman. Yeah, okay. It's I actually

downloaded it so It ain't going anywhere. I think

everybody else is doing the same thing at this

point and all the sites already have ripped images

and everything else. It is not in HD, obviously,

but it's that teaser from Comic -Con at the very

end is on the very end of the same trailer. We're

like staring at each other or whatever. Yeah,

except it's there's a little bit of actual dialogue

in there, which I heard earlier today. after

the Star Wars trailer dropped By comparison of

having watched the two the Star Wars trailers

infinitely better I Mean granted is still not

in HD, but I I still feel that the Star Wars

trailers stronger Well, I wonder can we talk

about the since the Batman vs. Superman trailers

just a bootleg? Yeah, can we talk about the Star

Wars trailer? Yes the I'm just gonna come right

out here. I'm probably on the the negative side

here. My you know, my opinions are usually not

the correct ones, but I This new trailer. Well,

I thought it was cool and interesting. It didn't

do anything for me. I like the first trailer

better. I I'm just coming down on that side of

it Because I the the scene in the first trailer

where the Millennium Falcon shows up that lands

for me like every time There wasn't a scene in

this one that gave me the feels and I don't know

I know the one scene that everyone's talking

about is giving them the feels and I can understand

like why but that scene doesn't do anything for

me the scene the falcon on screen again for the

first time and like What is it almost 30 years?

Like yeah that I mean outside like the special

edition releases Seeing it on screen again new

For the first time in like 30 years that got

Gave me the feels but this new trailer well cool

and doesn't do anything to diminish me from like

mine to see the movie You're being excited about

it. It just doesn't do anything for me So I think

I think the first one did the did the job of

effectively teasing The film I think the second

one is more so building on just showing you more

of the what's in the universe for the the new

The the new film. It's not necessarily anything

Yeah, and I get what you're saying. There's not

as much grab To it and the way the Millennium

Falcon is presented in the other one is just

It yeah, it does bring back the nostalgia kick

and it just reminds you of what made Star Wars

great And they I think they kind of tacked on

a little bit of that at the end when they added

in Han and Chewie. Yep And I think that's really

the only saving grace of the entire trailers

is seeing that nostalgia kick again, but I I

do like the the aspects of you know, the fallen

Star Destroyer and in the desert and you know

the giant army of stormtroopers and oh Without

a doubt there's a lot to like I'm not I didn't

hate the trailer by any means I'm like I I liked

everything that I saw I just maybe I'm just not

a human Need I didn't get the feels like everybody

else did for this trailer. I just saw I was like

man This looks really cool. Even my wife made

a comment about the Star Destroyer. She was like,

that's really cool. I was like But I wasn't but

I wasn't not expecting something like that I

guess the way I look at it like probably the

first one had me more excited But this one has

me more intrigued because it has me asking more

questions. I think it it I mean, it's hard to

like like like you mentioned Mike like Seeing

the you know, this Millennium Falcon like again

for the first time. It's hard to get that again

It's hard to recapture that same feeling but

I think what this effectively does is it's more

so kind of just setting the stage and making

you kind of question what exactly is going on

and what I've liked about this series from the

beginning and I really like the trailer a lot

is that it's it's not focusing on the Nostalgia

too much. It is trying to put the primary focus

of these new characters out there. I mean obviously

you have the Luke talking but still you don't

really see him It's more that these new characters

and it does seem like with these trailers nowadays

that it's almost like they know Obviously that

people are gonna like freeze frame every little

second of it and they're they just like dump

in as many little like Questions or things in

there every you know, it's just like a barrage

of images and which is not necessarily a bad

thing It's just it's kind of intriguing to see

and I don't know. I liked it. I'm I just love

They're getting the look right and it's it's

like feeling like we're seeing the Star Wars

Universe in the right way So because of that,

I'm looking forward to it. I mean, I don't know

like comparing it to the last one. It's There

there I mean there are similar images, but I

was I was Sold from that first image of just

like the Star Destroyer in the background with

the music It's just I don't know to me. It's

yeah, it's all gravy at this point. So Yeah,

well you you talked about the look and I'm pretty

sure I've said this before but I've when they

started production I remember one of the things

that they were talking about that JJ was talking

about was he was trying to make because he's

really good at like Super 8 looks like something

that could have been made in the 80s. I mean

outside of the special effects heaviness of it

Yeah, he's like Tarantino. He's very good at

homaging and like taking cues from other directors

and kind of make his own thing But I remember

one of the things he said that he was setting

out to do was to make it look like episode seven

was shot two or three years after episode six.

And the special effects aside, I believe I feel

like he's achieved that. I know there's a lot

of practical effects and stuff like that in this.

So that works out to his favor. But this does

not look like. I don't think I'm going to be.

Yeah, I don't think I'm going to be seeing floating

people in this movie. which is one of the things

that I constantly see when I'm watching the prequel

movies is just floating people because the light

sources are all wrong for those scenes. So. But

can we this trailer and the other one? I don't

feel like anything's been spoiled now. Yeah,

I think that's like for me, I I feel like that's

a common theme. In what I've seen lately for

a lot of movies like I don't feel like a lot

of trailers There was a point in time for me

that trailers could be awfully spoilery Like

they were basically like retelling you the movie

like the Cinderella trailer for example was just

like a miniature version of the Cinderella story

But I like this one I don't think bond gives

too much away Even even to a certain extent,

you know, Jurassic Park, everyone knows the formula

for Jurassic Park, but I don't think Jurassic

World exactly gives everything away. Even like

Avengers, I don't feel like it gives too much

away. The one trailer I will say it feels like

gives away everything is the new turn data trailer,

which seems to like give away. Oh, my God. I

have not seen that. I have not seen the new one.

So I'm glad I and I saw that exact same sentiment

shooting around the Internet. So I'm glad I haven't

seen it. I. Have to say I didn't see that coming

Because it's a really dumb idea I was I was like

and I was geared up to see the damn movie and

now I'm like, what's the point? I I mean I I'm

still gonna see it but Yeah, I would Mike I would

highly avoid that trailer. Yes I I will I I was

excited after you know seeing the first trailer

because I like the I like anything involving

time travel So I like the premise that they were

setting up with the first trailer So I after

what you guys have just said what I saw shoot

around my Twitter feed when that trailer came

out I am thorough. I'm going to avoid the second

trailer. I mean it could all be just like like,

you know, I Know setting you up for something

and end up pulling, you know Just the wall over

your eyes or something like that. But it if it

does seem like it's completely ruining Like a

major plot element of the story, but sometimes

like you think that it ends up not being the

case But this does seem that way Has anyone seen

the ant man trailer? I have I have I can't I

can't not laugh at the end scene With thomas

to train. Yes, that was hilarious. I can't not

laugh with when that when when that plays Speaking

of I I put this on Twitter and I was just we

can put this out there for the for the listeners

to over under on him becoming Going giant sized

at the end in the movie at some point Giant size

and naked or just nine times because those are

two Well, I'm gonna say giant size because this

is a Marvel movie after all yeah after daredevil

over under I'll go I'll go like you know 70 %

chance. It's gonna happen in some some way because

I think I I think it's gonna happen because then

they can make the sequel a giant man Steve what

do you think I? Don't know enough about the mythos

to know well a man. He's had a ton of different

personas he Obviously do his name he has the

ability to make himself really small But then

he goes through an identity crisis, and he's

actually able to go the other way with the tech

and make himself really big So I was just basically

it's just you know Do you think that's going

to be a thing in the next movie like maybe at

the end is like a teaser or? But I could see

that I That was probably my favorite part about

the whole trailer was the Thomas the train thing,

but I Feel like I said I can't I said this about

Said this about a lot of movies after seeing

Pacific Rim but like Guardians last year was

like last year's Pacific Rim for me I didn't

know what to expect going into that movie and

I had a lot of fun with it Ant -man I think might

be that movie this year. Like I don't know what

to expect from Ant -Man Yeah, it's I don't know

I like this one much more than the first trailer

because I felt the first trailer was far too

self -serious and you like the fact that they're

kind of Yeah more that more the comedy more the

interesting visuals, but I don't know I still

like the thing that bugged me so far It's just

I'm not a big fan of look at the yellow jacket.

I just find he looks really just really corny

like a bad like Power Rangers villain or something

like that. Just doesn't look all that fantastic.

But uh, I don't know I'm I'm I thought last year

Guardians might be the first like misstep for

Marvel more not more so just box office wise

and I'm kind of thinking Yeah, a little bit,

you know a little bit kind of way off on that

one So, I don't know I kind of make is the Marvel

brand strong enough I see it probably doing as

well as like that first Thor or something like

that But I guess it's gonna depend on word -of

-mouth I think it's gonna be better than Thor

mainly because of where Marvel is now in terms

of like movies I've made the comparison to Marvel

the Marvel Studios flag being kind of More or

less synonymous with like the same type thing

as like the Pixar lamp Yeah, give or take right

you put the Marvel stamp on a lot of people don't

even know anymore that the X -Men movies they

some people like I hear in comments that you

know They think the X -Men movies are made by

Marvel Studios, and they're not Or like spider

-man so they that that Marvel flag has become

synonymous with like quality to some people Kind

of like how Pixar is like that lamp is synonymous

with, you know, animated quality. And I've made

the thing. I think I think Ant -Man may end up

being Marvel's cars at worst. That's still not

I mean, that's not a bad thing, because cars

is highly marketable. Yeah. So kids love cars.

So as long as it's not as bad as cars, too, I'll

be happy. Makes me sad. Anyways. Anyone else

want to say anything about trailers? I'm good.

The other thing I want to bring up about, again,

jumping back to the Star Wars thing. For some

reason, people were thinking that Luke's line

that's in the movie was recorded or was reused

from Return of the Jedi. Even though part of

the line was reused, I can't see how it was the

same, like just moved. Because they at the end

of it he says and you have it for like the force.

Oh, yeah, I don't think that was really I don't

think that was I know that was new like but I've

been seeing like all kinds of weird reports from

people saying I think that's Really, you know,

I did some digging and I it's I checked and it's

from the return of the Jedi I'm like how if it's

the last word we call those clickbait articles

Yeah, well, I didn't I know I'm just saying people

I was seeing on social media I wasn't I didn't

actually read any of those articles I mean you

kind of shy away from news at this point, especially

with seeing Jared Leto In his freaky ass looking

Joker. I haven't seen that yet. Yeah, it's floating

around It's been going around all day because

it's been you know, Batman Star Wars It's a competition

Yeah, I I don't know. Maybe it's they're using

similar dialogue. That just could be just like

an homage to the well It's the line if I remember

correctly, it's it's the line right up until

the last bit which doesn't mean he's not saying

it he's just he could be just be saying it again

like It did sound like it did sound Surprisingly

more so like the younger Mark Hamill than I expected

but uh, I don't know I think that's why people

were thinking that it wasn't him Like in in modern

Then again the last time I saw Mark Hamill was

when he was on flash and he was basically being

the Joker again So yeah, clearly it has nothing

to do with his age, you know He's just damn good

with his voice We need you to sound more like

Luke and less like a psychopath How do I do that?

So So I'm going to daredevil. Yeah, that's where

I wanted to go cuz Dan hinted at it for a second.

I just watched the first episode like an hour

ago. What'd you think? I was surprised. How so?

I mean one, my wife didn't really care too much

for it. She was kind of like in and out of consciousness

during it because it wasn't the flash. I liked

it because I think that the story seemed to flow

a little bit better with including the Kind of

third party people in it that are in this story,

but they're not actually In the story if you

kind of get what I'm saying like it's not like

villain of the week like Gotham And it seems

like the budget is in the quality of the the

shots is so much better For especially for being

a Netflix show compared to watching say Gotham

or agents of shield And even to some degree some

of the CW stuff is this your first I'm just curious.

Is this your first Netflix series? Yes, okay

that explains one I don't None of the other contents

interested me in the slightest even to truthfully

this didn't even interest me I just I was looking

for something to watch that was an hour long

and That was the only thing that kind of popped

in my head at that moment. So I figured I'd give

it a shot anyway. And I was kind of surprised,

like I said, for it being a Netflix series to

see it look better than something a major TV

station has. Yeah, it seems more coherent, you

could say, than a lot of the stuff that's on

TV. What do you think, Dan? I loved it. My biggest

worry with doing a series like this is when connected

to, especially with the idea of creating a semantic

universe, is that you're going to have a lot

of things that are very stylistically the same.

And I was worried that would happen with this.

But I love the fact that it didn't really hinder

just the creation of it at all. And it looks

and feels like a Daredevil series should. certainly

in it The word that kind of comes to mind is

adult not just in the violence the language but

just the plotting of it just that it the way

it treats the audience with a element of respect

that I feel like you don't necessarily get with

the other superhero shows where You know a lot

of the drama is based upon and a lot of like,

you know the major conflict are based upon like

really complicated in like in some ways uninteresting

ideas of just corporate in Political corruption

that you know the idea of basically, you know

You know using the Marvel event of Avengers and

how that people are taking advantage of that

unlike the corporate angle and how that Influences

this series but in a really cool way and you

know acting is phenomenal like universally around,

you know From you know, Charlie Cox as Daredevil

and of course, you know Fulton Reed as a foggy

Nelson though I did take me some time to get

kind of used to him. But you know, I liked it

a great deal I do feel like the last I think

it peaks at episode 11 in the foggy Nelson verse

Murdoch's episode in the last two episodes I

just don't get that moment. But uh, and then

obviously that the stunt choreography is Phenomenal

and I think it's a benefit of having a series

that doesn't have to worry about ratings and

doesn't have to worry about getting cancelled

it it can make a Comprehensive story and like

you know budget is a huge thing and it feels

very cinematic in the best ways so Well, like

I said before I can I don't have to say anything

I can just pose a question and let Dan answer

it I have yeah, no, I agree with what you said

Dan I I think it treats the audience with a certain

level of intelligence Or it expects the audience

to be somewhat intelligent watching the show

One of the things I and I Steve my wife won't

watch it, but that's because it's she finds it

too violent She made it through the first three

episodes which there is a weird Side note here.

There's a weird tonal shift because I've started

re -watching it again The first three or four

episodes are the most violent of the entire series

and Then it becomes just a big like beat -em

-up like there isn't as much I'm gonna say gore

but not necessarily gore I don't really know

that the right term for it because it's not like

it's not like saw or anything like that, but

Yeah, my wife watches saw so that's That doesn't

bother her the slightest. It's the fact he doesn't

have superpowers and he's wearing a costume.

That's what bothers her. I love his costume.

It's funny. I thought I would not like it, but

it fits. I don't know. I've ended up liking the

black costume more so than the Daredevil one.

In watching the show, I kept thinking... Why

isn't this because I, you know, we've got on

TV now, we've got The Walking Dead and we've

got Hannibal on NBC. I kept looking for adult

content that would make this not eligible for

at least like prime time 10 p .m. you know, TV.

And with a few like edits here for like, as I

just talked about, like Broken Bones and a couple

of door slams Or maybe a scene lasting a little

longer than it then it comfortably should No,

this is not a knock against Netflix in any way

this is a knock against television studios in

general right like NBC ABC CBS like I see no

reason why this particular property this particular

show, you know couldn't have Made it on TV as

is the thing is I feel like if it if it had been

developed with broadcast TV in mind We would

not have gotten this Because they have to play

to we'll call it the lowest common denominator,

which is one of the reasons why shield is a wreck

Because it's just designed for Like a jack -of

-all -trades master of none because it doesn't

know what the hell it wants to do on a weekly

basis Or who it wants to cater to This one this

show is designed to cater to a very specific

group of people kind of like a show you'd like

like Walking Dead or Hannibal or Game of Thrones

like it's designed to cater to a very specific

group of people, but I have to imagine that I

mean one of the reasons it's got picked up is

because Marvel wanted full series orders for

The into all five shows, right? Daredevil, Luke

Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and the Defenders.

They wanted full series pickups because they

wanted to be able to tell the story and I have

to imagine it right this time that ABC and NBC

and possibly CBS or maybe some other networks

are like kicking themselves for not taking that

chance. And I thought I thought about it for

a little bit because you know Netflix is made

for the binge watching thing so they were able

to tell like a cohesive story that fed from one

episode to the other but walking dead does that

on a weekly basis and Hannibal did it and Game

of Thrones does it like people are willing to

watch intelligent stories if you give them something

intelligent to watch and In my opinion daredevil

ruined flash and agents of shield and arrow because

it showed me what What a competent superhero

TV show could be you mean by the cohesive story

the cohesive story that the way it's it's the

way it looks like yeah sure it was expensive,

but It's not villain of the week either. Oh,

there's they're they're telling a story and they

don't have to rely on it But I wonder how much

of that it also is it's gonna be around for 13

episodes and not 22 Yeah, and it doesn't have

to doesn't have to feel the necessary the need

to kind of tell you everything up front or like

Set its stage so you kind of have a complete

understanding of this character Like it doesn't

really touch on the origin until well It doesn't

fully touch on it and probably for the entire

series But I think that's it piggybacks and picks

it picks its moments that make sense for the

character like and I also just love how they

handled like daredevils powers and just you know

little nods here and there and you know, you

only he doesn't really you know do the daredevil

movie route and kind of just give you this radar

sense of what he looks like but kind of just

more subtle hints and you know, even just the

way he enters into a room and You know, I think

like you mentioned with storytelling it just

there's no fact to this to the story everything

matters and it will Take the opportunity to build

up characters And I hope like arrow looks at

this and realizes you don't have to give a character

superpowers to make them interesting you can

actually just give them make them an interesting

character and Give them a good story and they

can be an interesting. So I just hope that happens

Because I feel like you know all the characters

in this in the series and like the bad guys aren't

your Kingpin isn't this guy who's just plainly

evil. His motivations are very Legitimate and

like he's very closely tied to like the the motivations

of their devil It's just their methods are very

different in the no one's plainly evil. No one's

plainly good it's all you know elements of gray

and it a lot of people made the comparison to

like the wire and just the way it builds its

universe and I think it's it's obviously much

different, but it it does seem like it takes

a lot of cues from that especially from like

the Ben Irelia character and the way he gets

involved with everything so But yeah, I will

say this I I felt and This is not a spoiler at

all Steve or it might be because you might be

looking for it now You want to take your headphones

off for like five seconds I really like I like

the show. I have really nothing bad to say about

it I feel like the fight scenes like peaked in

episode 2 Yeah, I could it's hard to top that

moment. It really is though. I did really like

It's hard to how do I can't see this without

there's a Showdown that is a very honorable fight

as they mentioned I thought was was also quite

good and also the taxi fight that I like it's

not nearly as extensive as that but I just love

the like the The way they use the camera and

the the overall like the song that they have

so I do agree with you the best probably the

most standout sequences in that episode, but

it which I think Is kind of the why I feel like

the last two episodes aren't necessarily Finishing

on the highest note because it just it doesn't

reach that level that it hits So like right out

of the gate within that second episode Also,

the weird thing is and I'm not I kept I was looking

for this is another reason why there was a weird

I feel like there was a weird tonal shift because

I And I'm pretty sure you guys might have followed

this a little bit There what early on there was

a showrunner shift Yeah, to guard left, right?

Yeah, he left to go to Sinister six over at Sony

and now he's doing the spider -man movie for

Marvel. So I feel like that was the plan all

along, but that's a different story. But he wrote

the first four episodes, I think, and I don't

know how much goes into writing as far as plotting

out how much control you have over what's in

each scene visually, but... Stephen tonight who

did Spartacus for stars, which I also thought

was a Started out kind of rough. It actually

got a lot better as it went on Anyways, he took

over after the fourth episode as showrunner.

So I and like I said, there was that total shift

in terms of the violence So I'm wondering if

one of those If they just had no more need for

the violence at that point because they had already

established themselves as this is adults We're

beating you overhead the head with this adult

content and they you know They did it for four

episodes and then they didn't feel the need to

necessarily do it again or if it had something

to do with changing the showrunners, but Was

episode not to give anything away, but was episodes

for the car door episode I think so and I think

that's where it peaks. Yeah, like that's the

after that I don't think I also noticed it's

never him. It's never daredevil. It's the villains

that are doing the most violent thing As it should

be Yeah, well, yeah because there's also the

well there is that I don't want to spoil anything

for Steve or anyone who maybe hasn't watched

it but there is that you know a little bit of

torture sequence that he has an episode to that's

okay that I guess that's where that's but that's

not as bad as the other like when I that's I

almost forgot because like I sometimes I'll watch

shows and if I'm trying to get my wife to watch

and be like okay don't look at this you know

yeah hurt your eyes child um but it's uh yeah

I that was the one scene that almost got away

and I was like oh wait hold on This happens and

so she like looked away during that one I like

but that one didn't even register next to like

the other stuff that I knew was in Even in that

episode, I think No, no, no, it's episode three

that that happens in Yeah, I think the other

thing too is it I feel like it does a really

good job of again. He has no superpowers. This

is a guy who He you know, he doesn't have super

strength he doesn't have He's not invulnerable

or anything like that. And I think they do a

really good job, especially in that fight scene

at the end of episode two of showing you that

he gets tired. He gets worn down because he's

just a guy. And that was refreshing to see, too,

because I don't even think Arrow does that very

well, because I mean, Oliver will get the crap

kicked out of him. And then five minutes later

in the same episode, he'll be fine. My only question

is like after the series is what? What is Marvel

planning on doing with the TV series? Because

with Civil War coming up, the other Avengers

movies, are they going to combine these worlds?

Because I just couldn't imagine... It's hard

for my mind to comprehend seeing Daredevil in

the Avengers, considering the world he's coming

from. I mean, it happens in the comics, of course,

but it just... Knowing the action sequences that

we're used to him seeing and then seeing him

into... That you would see in the Avengers. I

just I don't know how that's gonna work if they're

gonna go down that route I know they haven't

really said anything at this point. Well, there

was a funny thing There was a rumor that shot

around it. I saw on slash film that the defenders

May show up in infinity war part two Yeah as

like the four of them to together because the

article also goes on to mention that the Avengers

will look very different by that time Because

certain contracts will be over plus. They're

also introducing like spider -man black panther

dr. Strange I Personally I wouldn't be surprised

to see dr. Strange show up in the Netflix series

Mostly because dr. Strange is set like Hell's

Kitchen is also his backyard and It's they cast

Benedict Cumberbatch who is You know a TV actor

as well So I would be surprised to see him make

the transition to to help further connect both

Series Yeah, and it does seem like with that

said though this scene looking at like how the

season was ending that it does trend towards

the more comic book element and kind of getting

into the more the mystical element of Daredevil

and it definitely a lot of ties to The lore of

iron fist specifically that that it seems to

hint at so it's I'm curious to see like how this

is all gonna tie together because I Feel like

a lot of the leftover threads in in daredevil

were set up for stuff leading to the defenders

Yeah, and kind of like the cosmic cube for you

know, phase one. Yeah, and they've also said

that the reason You know Jessica Jones and the

occasion stuff didn't show up in daredevil is

because those characters weren't cast until they

were almost wrapped under devil So they said

don't be surprised to see Foggy or Matt even

show up in Jessica Jones or Luke Cage or something

like that. So those series will become more cohesive

the farther they get along. It's only a matter

of time before they make them cross over with

Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D. I cannot imagine

that. I just don't think that Agents of S .H

.I .E .L .D. will go over to the Netflix. those

actors will go over the other way. I don't know

if I want anything connected to Agents of Shield.

I mean, there's really no reason to. But you

know that eventually they're going to try to,

to probably try and save Agents of Shield. I

don't know, because I get to see Netflix saying

no. I don't know if they have what their power

is in this situation. I don't think they have

any of the power really. I think Marvel has all

the cards. Yeah, I I mean I will obviously it's

that it's it's more I think Marvel has all the

cards It's just that they wanted someone to pay

for the series up front and I'm pretty sure Netflix

is going man. I'm glad they delivered Rather

than rather than giving us an agents of shield.

I'm like man really glad they delivered so well,

and if you saw but like Netflix's subscription

went up like one I get like Don't know not doubled

but like the last the first quarter this year

went insane. So they're there and they're kind

of on a hot streak with their stuff It's it's

it's nice that it seems like it might be sustainable

too because I know they were they were really

worried about like People just signing up for

like a weekend. Yeah and binge watching the shows

and then canceling so But So daredevil yeah,

give it a watch if you're a Marvel guy Or just

like good TV. So I even told my mom, I told my

mom to try it because I mean, she's not like

a superhero person, but she's she recently discovered

Netflix and she's always looking for like good

stuff to watch. And I was like, this is actually

a good show, you know, like just on its own.

Yeah, my wife, my wife actually liked it a great

deal. And I was actually in my hometown. I was

watching it at her home and her mother, my mother

-in -law, her mother, actually, they liked it,

too. She cares nothing about superheroes. So

I think it does have Crossover appeal for people

who are maybe just like crime shows or just you

know general good television like you mentioned

So Anything else you guys want to Dapple on before

no, I don't feel like bringing it down with the

with the other two topics Sounds good So I take

it neither one of you cut up on flash. Oh, I

have What was the last I think I just I'm trying

to think in the last episode I watched it. They

had the bee lady this week. Oh, yes. I just watched

that last night So and I'm not really gonna talk

to the plot of that per se I'm more so going

to jump into the whole Reverse flash aspect What

Do you guys think about how they revealed that

information and and how they're going towards

it again? What did they reveal I This episode

I can't think of I know what they did the trickster

episode. Was there something new? He Barry finally

told the rest of them that Wells is the reverse

flash Okay, I'm gonna miss the end of it might

have so Don't know I mean That's where I was

it was gonna happen. Anyways, I'm more I'm more

kind of bum that I had to they had to bring over

Felicity and Ray to do that, but Can I just say

I hate that suit like with a passion? Oh, yeah.

No what the atom? Yeah, like you're not alone.

Oh It's my wife was like why is why is there

a DC version of Iron Man? I just I don't I don't

it just seems it's My problem Sorry, go ahead

now. I just gonna say it seems to seem wrong

in every way It just looks ridiculous. My problem

isn't with with the suit. It's the well Yeah,

okay. The suit looks ridiculous, right? But my

problem really is it doesn't lie with the suit

My problem lies with the fact that it's a power

suit and not a suit that makes him tiny Yeah,

which I feel like with this episode. That's where

they were hinting at he might go with it But

who knows at this point Guess we'll find out

when they spin off all the side characters in

their own TV show. Yeah I know that the Adam

is supposed to get his own show. I thought that

that's what the spin -off was Yeah, that's that's

like at what point does CW just spin off into

a new network just called like DC TV I'm just

waiting for the spin -off where like DC and like

vampire Diaries combine universes I would watch

that cuz I like vampire Diaries Yeah, even though

the lead chicks lead in the show. Yeah, it's

OK. She was not. My favorite part of that show,

she wasn't important anymore. I mean, she is

not the entire thing kind of revolves around.

It was early on, but it's not so much anymore.

So and the kid that plays her brother supposed

to be leaving, I remember he was up for like

Nightwing. Those those rumors for Arrow have

like dropped off real fast. I know the Titan

show is supposed to start up and I didn't see

this week's arrow But I know what happened because

Blanchard. Yeah, I'm sorry about that I don't

know if you know what I'm referring to but I

I do but I all I'm gonna say about it because

I don't know I don't want to spoil anything for

Dan, but Is that someone's leaving? Yeah, but

it's really weird like I and all the TV I've

seen I've never seen anything like I've never

heard of anything like this like you hear you

hear about it like at the beginning of a season

or like the end of a season but not Like partway

through a season. It's it's it's interesting

to to read the the reason why it's just kind

of like I've never Seen that usually it's like

creative differences or something like that.

But what? It was interesting I read the one article

I read was that it was the I mean This is what

you feel like they say all the time that it was

the plan from the beginning that that that was

the Their design since the start that that was

always what they were gonna do I mean at least

the time period wise so I don't know maybe it's

just I'm trying to save face or something like

that Well, yeah, it sounds like it to me. It's

like we didn't renew his contract, but here's

how we spin it Yeah, I was like but no you do

that like it you don't do that in the middle

of a season you like Carry it out to like the

end and just say the guy's not coming back, you

know, like I don't know it was it's weird I was

never a big fan of that character. So i'm i'm

I don't mind it yeah, i'm not a big fan of them

either but But then there was the other element

that they they revealed the lazarus pit finally

Well, what the lazarus pit's been in this season.

I know but I mean Like they're actually going

to use it Okay, I guess I don't I mean I know

how I mean I know race has been in it But I mean

yeah, I was gonna say I know how they use it

and I mean we've seen race use it So I'm like,

well, what are they gonna? Can we also say I

don't understand this because I think she's never

mind This is just arrow doing this is what we've

talked about and Then we've kind of got the same

sentiment here arrows just doing cool shit to

be cool Instead of having anything make sense

anymore So I feel like this the end of the most

recent arrow episode is like the epitome of that

it's like But whatever it's arrow it's it's slowly

sliding back into that trainwreck state for me

and I'm Having a severe time watching a lot of

the comic based shows at this point in time I

mean, I still really like the flash. I mean,

I'm I Not maybe really like the strong word,

but I I guess I'm just curious where it's how

they're going to do the show after the whole

like Reverse flash angle is kind of addressed

like what is the next step in that because I

could see that running into an arrow problem

where you don't have that primary like thread

to kind of a lie on to You know garner interest

you have to come up with new stories has become

more like villain of the week type of stuff So

I mean, I don't know much about the flash lore

like his other potential villains, but I don't

know. Maybe they could just Just I don't know.

I just that's my my major question Yeah, tackling

one of the one of flash's best stories as the

basis for your first season does kind of make

you wonder Thanks. Thanks for that, Dan I mean

there's also ways of prolonging it like, you

know, there's it could just be like the one way

they you know, this is just a You know introduction

into the throw a larger story arc or something

like that. So so possibility That's my only question

is like after this, where does it go? So Arrow

has no idea where it's going. So it's driving

around in circles with the The wheels falling

off even my wife made a comment without me make

because like I said I watch all these shows before

I watch them with her and She we're just sitting

there watching arrow and something happened one

of the most recent episodes. She's like this

is crap And I had not said anything to her like

nothing. She's like this is really bad. I was

like I looked at I was like, yes So but we're

no we're still enjoying flash but I'm I'm wondering

how much that is like I feel like Barry is a

more likeable character than Oliver is He's and

it feels like he's Oliver has like one note in

a lot of ways where it's just getting overplayed

where i think there is a little bit more dimension

to him at least i find his his story is a little

bit more intriguing to me because it it you know

the the uh... there's his injustice that was

done to him seems less self self uh... induced

compared to like albert which seems like his

most of his problems are just because he was

a douchebag as a kid pretty much and it also

very is more having more he's having more fun

With the whole thing. Yes very much so but then

again how much that is because barry can have

more fun with it because he has superpowers versus

Versus batman light. Yeah, i just renamed the

show batarang and gave him a cape Oh, I said

it before I just want to say it one more time

since we're talking about all these shows I'm

really bummed that the teen titan show on was

a tnt. It was supposed to be isn't going to be

a 30 minute sitcom We already have Teen Titans

go. So okay, there's Teen Titans Because I'm

getting confused with all these shows that are

coming out. So you have Teen Titans. You have

Supergirl What's the Haw Girl series? It's that

also or that's gonna be on the atom. Yeah, she's

an atom. Oh, okay So she's not like her own series

and then she'll get her own show and I don't

know but that is Firestorm getting his own show

too. Is that like no he's gonna be crossing over

between the atom and more and more or less arrow

Okay And Supergirl supposedly tied into all this

stuff at some point somehow Yeah, possibly a

possibility of it there because it's the same

producers But Teen Titans is not as far as I

know It'd be interesting to see Roy show up over

there I Think that'd be a best place for him

and it already established somebody that people

know But that as far as I know there's no connection

that way like producer wise or anything like

that. So To be I'm just bummed that it's not

a 30 -minute sitcom because I think that would

be refreshing that and I know it's you know,

it's Show that Steve doesn't really care about

but I like the I like Teen Titans And not Teen

Titans Go, I haven't seen it. Do you like the

original Teen Titans? Yes, I like that. I just

thought it was fun and it had its moments. But

I had a friend that got me into it, like explained

not who the characters were because I already

knew this, but explaining to me the different

seasons. So that made it a little more enjoyable.

Plus, I think that type of dynamic works just

as a comedy. I'd also like to see you hear about

Fox wanting to make TV shows based off of the

X -Men properties, I would like to see them do

the X -Factor investigations because that's like

real world, like MTV's real world with mutants.

I don't know. Dan, have you ever read X -Factor

investigations? I haven't. I need to. It's spun

out of House of M and it deals with like multiple

man like decides to open up a detective agency.

To help out mutants in New York and so he you

know, there's like him and Four or five other

people like mutants that live with him and they're

like part of X Factor investigations but the

the way the dynamic between them all works out

it basically the comic was kind of like reading

a an MTV real -world comic but they all had like

Superpowers like one of the girls gets mad at

multiple man for sleeping with the other girl

in in the in their home and so she goes up to

multiple man and starts beating the crap out

of him because she wants to talk to the clone

that slept with the other one and he's like he's

like that's not how this works and she's just

sitting them punching him in the face and all

these multiples are pouring out of them and then

it gets kind of serious because I guess at some

point in in multiple man's life he decided to

send off clones in random directions and the

way his abilities work is when he absorbs them

he gets what that he gets their knowledge that

they had so he sent out like any number of clones

to just live a life and become people and eventually

the book devolves into him going around and reclaiming

these clones from Their lives so it gets kind

of it gets kind of depressing But the beginning

of the book is actually kind of funny and I would

like to see this is a different take on the whole

superhero thing It's not like super serious,

but it could be you know, some of these things

could be comedies Speaking of superheroes, you

see that Constantine didn't get cancelled Did

or didn't it did? Okay. I I saw that I saw the

headline that said it did get cancelled and then

I saw one that said that cancellation was premature

Oh, well, maybe I'm wrong Who knows with NBC?

Excuse me And speaking also have you watched

the powers TV the series on PlayStation Network

whatever it's on I have not watched that yet.

I've not heard good things I have not seen myself

but I mainly because I don't go on my PlayStation

watch TV like even Netflix I did that on other

things. I'm like I had to go out of my way to

find that Curiously here. I have not I mean,

I don't have PlayStation but I was I know the

first episode was online for free to watch but

I I've heard mostly bad things about that series

I Got nothing else. All right, I think that wraps

it up for the night then sweet sweet so Thank

you for joining us Dan. Well, thanks for having

me. It was fun Maybe we'll have something else

in the future soon So anything you guys want

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to pimp out I Figured You can watch you can listen

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Actually. Yeah, it's a good idea. I will do that

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