TV Bubble Shows of 2014

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week Michael powers Steve is not here. He is

busy messing around with his house damn him We

basically buried him in his new backyard. This

is the first show. I think he's missed Everest

this is this is momentous yes momentous Momentous

this is the first show of his own podcast that

he has missed in the 36 episodes that have aired

to this point And now this makes 37 in a row

Wow Failure Steve complete and utter failure

as you've heard I am joined by TFG one Mike Oh

And Danner has been sitting quietly in the wings

I'm stewing Stewing he's stewing because Marvel's

agents of shield is on the TV bubble. That's

why he's stewing. Yeah I'm sure discuss it. Yeah,

we're gonna we're gonna discuss it because what

we're gonna do first I'm gonna bring up a new

segment. This is just the pilot for this segment

if you will it's something that I've kind of

Stolen from another podcast that I've started

listening to recently it's called the Don't mind

us if these stories are a little lame or not

all that important, but It's called The Story

of the Week. Each host on the show will bring

one story that they think is the most important

story in geek culture in the last seven days

since the show has aired. All the three hosts

will have a moment to share what their story

is and why they think it's important. We will

discuss the three stories and probably try to

determine through discourse and discussion and

argument which one may or may not be the most

important. And just in case anyone wants to tune

out the second half of the show will be us talking

about the 12 biggest Well, the 12 bubble shows

for 2014 basically the shows that still have

yet to see receive renewals So we'll either get

renewed or canceled and we'll give you our thoughts

on those So you can stick around for that if

you can bear to sit through the first part of

this Who who wants to go first as far as what

they think their most important geek story of

the week is. Let's let the Angry Turtle go first.

I think he means you, Danner. Angry Turtle? What?

You've got turtles on your picture on Skype.

So, Angry Turtle. I forgot that was even my picture.

So, the thing that I believe is super important

is, I mean, seriously, we still haven't found

this plane in the ocean. I mean, can I punch

you? It's been every single day I go to lunch

CNN's on and every single day we look at the

TV and go, seriously, the goddamn plane again.

Fucking serious every day. CNN is the worst.

Sorry, I just felt like poking fun at it. I don't

know. There's a few of them. There's ones that

like I feel is Like really? Noteworthy and it's

too serious, so it shouldn't possibly be covered

I think the biggest news for that I enjoyed this

week was the HBO shows coming to Amazon Prime

and that Deal being signed between Amazon Prime

and HBO shows instead of Netflix. I thought that

was a pretty cool Cool little thing since you

know Netflix pretty much gets Everything so I

would I would agree if it was shows that I actually

cared about I've never seen the wire So I'm kind

of excited about that and I haven't seen like

the West last three seasons and sopranos either

so What are HBO shows that you care about Mike?

Well, I like true detective I also watch I watch

true blood which you know is hit or miss here

and there I watch beep newsroom Newsroom. Oh,

man. I feel like there's another one that I'm

not thinking of. Silicon Valley. I haven't started

that yet. Game of Thrones. I haven't started

Silicon Valley yet, but I want to. Oh my God,

it's so good. Oh, it's so funny. Game of Thrones.

I realize what my problem is with that show.

There is they do not convey time very well. In

that show. Better job of it this season. I'm

more aware of a time of time passing in the series,

you know, but like in in past episodes is like,

is this stuff like I it feels like the show takes

place over like a matter of like months instead

of like years. Because you don't realize that

that I can't I can't remember their names, but

the one girl, you know, her dad was killed like

two years ago, which is not it doesn't seem like

it's been two years in the show. Unless she's

been held like captive and tortured by Joffrey

for two years Which doesn't play on on screen

it's just I mean I guess that's something you

know if you've read the books But just watching

it as a TV show like I have I mean I'm not you

know I just It didn't play and I realized that

that's what my real problem was what I've been

told the passage of time is even harder in the

books because of the fact that they third When

the second book ends they split the cast of Into

the next two books and you only deal with a certain

Certain group of characters in the third book

a certain group of characters in the fourth book

But technically a third and fourth book are happening

at the exact same time. Well, see I can understand

that I mean if it's like Can you explain that

to me? I can understand that because there are

like you know saw does that like sir? You know

some of the saw movies do that, but we're talking

about books here. We're not talking about movies

I understand, but I'm talking about another medium

that you know basically does the kind of same

kind of thing Yeah, I guess there's like a wiki

online or a website online where they actually

split it up So we can read the two books, but

I do I do I do like Game of Thrones, so And none

of those are coming to there. No, those are included

in the Amazon Prime deal Crazy putting Game of

Thrones on that's nuts that I wouldn't do that.

I mean they don't even Like we were in their

fourth season. Yeah, and I was gonna say they

don't even like us allow us to buy episode per

episode on iTunes for god sakes. So yeah, that's

crazy. Yeah TV like The passing of time on a

television show versus real life really is weird

because a specific example I can give is the

new continuation of Dallas. They ended season

two and Jesse Metcalfe was clean -shaven. Season

three starts off in the show. It's 12 hours after

the end of season two and he has a full beard.

I think that's because you're watching Dallas.

No, no. Anyway. We're talking about Dallas from

the 80s, right? No Dallas from 2012. They have

a continuation series right now going on They

brought it back who demanded that Everybody no,

no Two out of three hosts here did not demand

that show come back so not everybody No, I I

can see how that's a big deal and I'm actually

kind of bummed it's not Netflix, because I'm

more of a fan of Netflix's interface than Amazon

Prime's interface. I was going to dump Netflix

until the other announcement this week from Netflix.

Well, the other thing that kind of bummed me

out was Amazon Prime doesn't stream over a cellular

connection on my iPad. Where Netflix does like

it just doesn't work. They're like you have to

be on a Wi -Fi connection screw you Well, I love

the other thing which is that anybody who's currently

a Netflix subscriber gets to stay at the 799

but anybody coming in that's new is 999 because

I was that was just about to cancel and I was

like I Think we're gonna stick with it. Why would

you cancel Netflix when they're bringing the

Marvel TV shows? It's like a year and a half

away It's next year. Yeah, it's still a year

away after a year and a half I'm gonna say after

origins of the new black season 2 We were gonna

cancel it and then pick it up again next year

when the Marvel stuff started coming out Yeah,

well there everyone's gonna get jacked to the

$10 price eventually well the The there it's

a there. It's a they call this was actually my

story kind of It was a it's a generous Like you

said, Dan, it's $7 .99 for anyone that's existing,

but all new customers at a certain point. Well,

it hasn't gone into effect yet, has it? No. I

don't think. It'll go up to like $10 instead

of the $8. And anyone that's grandfathered in

will be able to stay at the $8 for a generous

time period. And they already did this in Europe.

And they gave them two years at the current price

for anyone that was grandfathered in so I Don't

know I think I'm okay. I it's one of those things

right there. I rely on Netflix more than cable

Because one Netflix is a lot cheaper than cable

plus. I don't have to worry about commercials

or anything like that My wife might live off

of internet video like Hulu and Netflix and stuff

like that as long as those providers don't end

up charging more than cable for their content

I'm pretty much fine with what they would what

they pay I've often said that I probably pay

15 to 20 dollars of HBO go was else if you could

get it outside of a cable subscription Yeah,

that would be cool, but unfortunately you can't

Yeah, because I am not, you know, everybody's

like, oh, Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones, why

aren't you watching Game of Thrones? Because

I don't want to spend the money, extra money,

every month on HBO. I'm not spending any money,

I'm torrenting it. Like a real American. You

know, I'm pretty sure you could use my HBO Go

account. Yeah, and I've used another person's

HBO Go account, but I just... I don't know, it's

just... HBO doesn't entice me as much as it used

to. It doesn't entice you as much as Dallas?

No, not really. To be perfectly honest, no, not

really. Too many big boy themes? Shut up, Tanner.

You know, the newsroom, I can wait till the three

seasons come on DVD. Well, the first season already

is on DVD, so, you know. And I like the first

people buy DVDs Yes people buy DVDs Mmm, I thought

they got rid of those like betas Like beat it.

Oh, you're really showing your age Like you see

this like VCDs like mini discs like mini discs

UMDs Try magic sticks a tracks Vinyl? Oh my god.

Five and a quarter floppy disks. Oh, what was

that stupid little... Like it was the real tiny...

Your penis. Thanks. No problem. They were the

real tiny cassettes that had like one or two

songs on them and they were like a kid's toy.

The mini cassettes, yeah. But they were like

a kid's toy. I'm trying to remember. It was like

a boy's version and a girl's version. Just remember

there were like one song to it. There was like

one song per side. It was like there were super

tiny little cartridges. Oh Man, it's It wasn't

mostly like pop rocker or something like that.

It might be it I can't I can't think of what

it is, but I don't know that that's that's another

failed media HD DVD ABI. Yeah DIVIX Quicktime?

Quicktime's not dead. Quicktime's not dead, but

it fails. Quicktime is MP4. Yeah. Alright, so

should I talk about my story? Yes, let's see

how your story stacks up to the internet stuff.

Bruce Wayne and Terry McGinnis. This is a minute

and 19 seconds short. Basically what it is is

Terry comes into the Batcave, Bruce is basically

on the floor, someone's beat him up, and this

is old Bruce Wayne because this is in the future

for people that might not know. And Terry's like,

Bruce, who did this? It was me. And you have

Batman Beyond versus New Adventures suited Batman.

This is a minute and 19 seconds of awesome. I

have watched this short literally 25 times in

the past seven days. Did you just spoil all the

minute and 25 of it for anyone that wanted to

see it? No. I just I just gave the general plot.

Terry comes into the cave. Bruce looks like he's

beaten up and who he's fighting is himself. That's

all I said, but I didn't give away the biggest

part of it, which I won't. Why is this important?

Because it's Batman Beyond. It's the first thing

that we've seen from Batman Beyond in animation

since the series ended. Okay. The only other

Batman Beyond stuff we have right now is the

digital comic written by Kyle Higgins and drawn

by Tony Silas. So yeah, this is important. Is

it gonna lead to anything or is it just there?

It's there to celebrate his 75th anniversary.

I wish it would lead to stuff I think it would

be awesome if it did but I don't know in 19 seconds

just seems so It's a short Danner. Yeah, I've

seen shorts before Yeah, like it just seems so

like Well, we kind of put some effort into it,

but we didn't really want to flush it out No,

there's Where the effort is in this is the animation

the voice acting? It leaves you on the edge of

your seat I mean if you're a longtime fan of

the show like I am it leaves you on the edge

of your seat if you're someone new Maybe it's

not gonna be your thing But I'm not saying it's

not cool because I do like Batman Beyond I'm

just it's I'm trying to and it's nice that it's

like celebrates the 75th anniversary of Batman

I think the 75th anniversary of Batman is a bigger

deal than the short I'm just I don't know I'm

not trying to discredit the the story I'm just

saying like I feel like I don't know I first

of all I haven't even seen it so I mean I knew

it was out there because you've been talking

about it on Facebook and Twitter and stuff but

I haven't even seen it so well there's a link

on Facebook you can watch it I'm sure I will

at some point when I have a minute and 15 seconds

Or you could just look in the post because I'm

probably gonna embed it into this week's episode

Well, there you go Yeah But now what I like about

this 75th anniversary stuff is that they are

bringing back Like with Batman Beyond specifically,

I'm glad they didn't just Get anybody to voice

Bruce Wayne and Terry McGinnis. They actually

got the original voice actors back For this and

let's face it cartoons today specifically superhero

cartoons that Sadly have to end up on Cartoon

Network don't last that long because Cartoon

Network just would rather Aircraft like Steven

Universe and and whatever else quote -unquote

original content they have right So Well, you

know I kind of want to see what the Let's see

what the listeners just think of the what one

they think is the most important of the three

that we brought up Although I am curious to see

what the listeners think I want to know What

they think a decent price to pay for like if

Netflix and Hulu and you know and well Amazon

Prime is already raising their prices But they

don't they're not a monthly subscription I'm

curious to see how much people would be are willing

to pay monthly per Like subscription service,

like like I said, I'd pay $20 for HBO Go, but

I don't know that I paid $20 for Netflix because

whereas 80 % of the content on HBO Go is actually

pretty good. Not that much on Netflix is actually

that good. Well, it depends on your tastes. Yeah,

but I'm saying I'm saying at any given at any

given point. Any person I think it only satisfies

50 % of any given person's taste I don't think

there's anyone that really likes more than 50

% of the content that's on Netflix Because there's

a lot of shit on there exactly What is it? What

is the one of the new ones zombie toilet one?

I haven't even I've been so far behind. Oh, it's

there I have been so far behind catching up on

my TV shows. I haven't been watching Netflix

I did take the time to finish house of cards

season 2 though, which I love that show I haven't

even taken the time to finish season one. I just

couldn't get into it. I can watch Kevin Spacey

talk for forever. If I'm going to watch Kevin

Spacey talk, I'd rather pop in midnight in the

garden of good and evil because man, I love that

movie. American Beauty. Yes, American Beauty.

I'll meet you on American Beauty. Hmm. Kevin

Spacey. Anyways. There's always pay it forward.

Nope. Yeah, that was a spacey film Depressing

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Hello, this is Steve Megatron Phillips, sorry

I couldn't join for the beginning of the episode

During the time of The record I was at my new

house Everything went fine everything closed.

I got to sign over got the keys got the garage

door openers got all that happy fun stuff today

so Suffice it to say oodles of fun so I wasn't

sure if I was going to be available for the record,

so I told Mike, Booth Ninja, that I more than

likely would not be around. We were planning

on having Dan around anyhow, and then Mike was

either going to be on or going to be an alternate,

so I just told him, I was like, eh, fill in for

me, I'm not going to be able to make it. Funny

thing enough by the time I was available they

were done recording so Yeah, so it kind of it

was Yeah, anyhow as far as the house is going

I'm going to do a YouTube video series Well a

companion more or less to the altered geek podcast

I'm going to bring back the video version Only,

this time, I'm going to cover various things

pertaining to stuff that I'm getting geeky with

at certain points that may not be genre -specific.

Meaning, to begin with, I'm going to talk about,

I'm going to do a bunch of recording of as we're

going through the house, cleaning it and getting

it before and afters and stuff like that. Basically,

it's gonna be time progressed I probably won't

have anything of that for a little bit because

I'm gonna want to gather a little bit of video

footage To put together so we took our first

bit today the house although Functionality wise

is great The closer we started digging into it

and my wife and I discovered that these people

that lived in this house were pigs I don't mean

it to be rude, but just about everything in the

house was disgusting. We pulled out the refrigerator.

It looks like they've never washed it or behind

it or under it. Same thing with the stove or

the dishwasher. Sliding doors. I mean door tracks.

It's just it was so gross. And I get weirded

out by that kind of stuff anyhow, like when it

gets real bad. I don't mind it as a random touch

-up thing throughout the month, but when it's

clearly sat there for what looks like years,

and the fact that I had to get scrub pads and

tie them to my shoes, and kind of do the skating

scrub brush thing that you would see in cartoons,

that to me is kind of overkill. It drives me

nuts. So yeah, I'm going to do something based

on that. Maybe something else being that I'm

not going to be present for a little while. If

I am, it's going to be on short little segments

that I toss in or edit or it'll be like a point...

I'm going to play the Marvel game with comics

essentially where they do the 0 .1, 0 .2, 0 .3,

0 .4, 0 .5 type thing. They'll probably be raw

files that I tag on if I do it. Hard to say if

I do or not. So yeah, that's what's been going

on with me and that's why I was absent this episode.

So I'm going to throw it back to the guys right

after this. Would it kill you to raise a shovel?

Would it kill you to raise a broom? Okay, and

we're back on the other side of whatever ad Mike

decides to place in there As I said before we

went on the break we're gonna discuss we've got

a list compiled by TV .com The 12 biggest bubble

shows of 2014. Will they be renewed or cancelled?

Just kind of run down the list here kind of quick

giving our opinions on the ones that we you know

have opinions on and the other ones we'll just

kind of you know maybe we'll mention them and

see if you guys have any opinions on them. First

up on the list is Almost Human which I know is

a favorite of Danner and Joe Reed from Off the

Cuff and Eyes. I don't know if you've seen this

show Mike. I've seen the promos. I know the guy

that stars in it. Carl Urban. No, not that guy.

The black guy. Sounds so wrong. Michael Ely,

I think. I think that's it. I know him from the

very short -lived series on USA called Common

Law. I liked him there, but... Don't know. I'm

really not into the Fox sci -fi kind of shows

and this kind of reminded me of I robot a Lot

it has some similarities You got I mean All right,

then Daniel, what do you do? You think it's gonna

get I know what you hope but do you I'd like

to hope that it gets another season just because

I feel like It's been mishandled by Fox and Fox

is pretty notorious for mishandling most joes

and it just I don't know if it's they're mishandling

it on purpose just because it costs so much to

develop and Maybe they were contracted to do

something with Abrams and they just are purposely

kind of letting it fall apart. So Maybe they

was contracted that I have to do a certain amount

of numbers in order to be sustained for another

season and because they're you know showing all

the episodes out of sequence and Just not doing

a very good job of telling viewers when new episodes

are on and it's being very sporadic I mean, it

hasn't even come back from hiatus at all. Well,

it's done Oh, that was it. That was the entire

run we got. Yeah, it was only 13 episodes If

it doesn't come back, I'm gonna be really pissed.

It was it was a it didn't I'm gonna be like Alpha's

level pissed. It was just a they're doing the

the cable thing It's just a it was just a 13

episode order and if it gets a second season,

it'll probably be another 13 episodes and I If

it comes back, I see budget cuts. I don't think

it'll be as flashy as the first season was I

think Fox should dump it Netflix should pick

it up Okay My my thing with the show is I just

feel it's The chemistry with the cast I think

is incredibly good. I think it's very well written

and I like the look of it. It just has a nice

consistent good look good guest stars Just very

well done in a solid show. It's Better if they'd

aired it the way it was supposed to be agreed

And but even on a sequence it still seemed it

was still good. I just remember it was it was

actually really funny we started talking about

the show on Facebook and We I brought up the

fact or I think Joe was talking about it And

I brought up the fact that it wasn't very good

because there weren't any story episodes and

that was like I think we're like eight episodes

in Yeah, and then the last four episodes were

just all story episodes and they were really

good. Yeah But those were supposed to be sprinkled

throughout the season to keep you watching versus

just feeding you the procedural or the monster

of the week episodes um so it was really it was

just really disappointing so like i said if it

comes back the second season it'll be another

12 13 episode order and the the it'll be with

less money it won't it won't look as pretty although

i don't think it'll look as bad as anything on

sci -fi so Next up is a show that I've never

actually watched as community Which as far as

I know just from following TV, it's always been

on the chopping block Yeah, and somehow it just

keeps coming back. I think the fans keep it alive

it it's Also not a show that I've watched very

much I've seen a couple episodes and I've I it's

just so Corky and so out there that it's it has

a certain charm to it and I have a lot of friends

that watch it and just love the show and it's

one of those shows that I keep on waiting for

it to pop up on Netflix or Amazon Prime or something

just because it's one of those shows that I'm

so far removed from the start of it that I like

almost don't want to start watching it like in

its fourth season just because I want to see

you know the beginnings of things so I I hope

it stays around I mean it's got a great cast

and all my friends like it now know they'll be

super butthurt if it gets cancelled have you

seen this show Mike? I think one or two episodes

Didn't really care for the supporting cast Michaela

is the only one I laughed at and I'd rather watch

him on talk soup than this All right Next up

is a show. I think we've all seen which is revolution

another NBC series I've seen the promos, but

are you haven't actually seen the show this to

me is another lost It's NBC's version of Lost.

Oh, it's not lost. It's a lost show, that's for

sure, but it is not anywhere close to lost. I

want to say this show lost me at like episode

six in the first season. I just could not. I

just... The amount of give -a -shit I tried to

give to this show and I just I couldn't get into

it. I just... The series had the same problem

that I had with the remake of the series V a

couple years ago on ABC they tip their hand way

too early with Revolution and Then it didn't

go anywhere the second season had a really strong

start and then it fizzled out again like with

the Somewhere between the third fourth and fifth

episode just kind of fizzled out and I actually

cut it from it's one of the shows I've actually

given up on completely It's just like I Don't

know if I don't know if it got any better, but

it just seems like a giant cast of subpar actors

like The the majority of them have the emotional

range of a puddle It just it's basically like

Let's get all these people that used to be soap

actors and put them in a serious acting situation

that they could never possibly act themselves

out of. It's like the only guy that they have

that's worth any weight whatsoever is the guy

that was playing the villain, who's now a part

of the main cast in season two. Yep. That was

from ER. And they failed the cape. I think if

Revolution was on like the CW, it would do a

lot better. But it is not a show that should

be on NBC. Well, it definitely has the acting

chops of a CW show. I'll give you that. But because

it's on NBC, I expect better. I think it's going

to get canceled. I don't see it sticking around

unless NBC can't find anything else to spend

their money on. I don't know. I'm sure they could

do something much cheaper reality wise. I'd rather

see them renew revolution than put on more reality

television. OK. Next up is one of my personal

favorites It's another NBC series. It is Hannibal

Is anybody but me watching this nope I Adore

this show oftentimes when I watch it I do tweet

out the fact that it is the best -looking cooking

show I've seen on television I read some of the

behind -the -scenes stuff as far as this series

is concerned. They are trying to get enough clout

or critical praise or whatnot to persuade MGM

to allow them to give them the rights to like

Clurrie Starling and some of the other characters

that were in the Hannibal Lecter films. Because

starting with like the last half of their plan

is for like I think it was like six or seven

seasons. But what they're going to start doing

is retelling the movies over seasons. So like

season four would be Silence of the Lambs. Retold

from a television perspective. Why? Because I

want to see that first. To start with this cast,

I want to see that. And they. Each season is

12 to 13 episodes. They took the cable model

with it. There are while each episode does deal

with a different serial killer. None of them

feel like a monster of the week episode. None

of them are really a monster of the week episode.

All of them have been delving deeper into the

mind of Will Graham and Hannibal Lecter as the

two lead characters. And it is a beautifully

shot show, especially for like network television.

or broadcast television it is beautifully shot

i thought the cable model was five to ten episodes

per season no it's usually 10 to 13 yeah so and

fox has gotten on board with that too with their

series the following yeah all of the big networks

have gotten on board with the cable model now

because they see that it works i'm i'm a big

fan of that so it's more the cable model or the

uk model that was stolen and turned into the

cable model well i mean i didn't watch a lot

of the i know like a lot of fx shows were 12

to 13 episodes yeah and some of the early sci

-fi stuff was called the 13 episodes except sometimes

they would do those extended seasons where you

would get another 13 episodes in the same season

but it was broken up into two separate things

with like a two -month hiatus in between yeah

yeah so um but you know like the article says

here i think that if this does get If it does

get it's a critical, like the critics really

love the show, but it's not getting the ratings.

Yeah. So I wouldn't. And the article here does

suggest that it may get picked up by like a Netflix

or an Amazon, which it I can see Netflix or Amazon,

Amazon picking it up. Wasn't there wasn't there

originally a rumor of the second season of Hannibal

going HBO that last season? yeah see that was

the thing the second season of Hannibal was up

in the air even from the get -go with the first

season and I don't I don't know why NBC renewed

it I know that they NBC greenlit the first 13

episodes without even seeing a pilot just off

of the script for the first episode and so Brian

Fuller who did Pushing Daisies and some other

shows they just you know they greenlit the entire

first season forum and you can kind of see that

because the show is really weird and it really

takes its time with a lot of things it's not

your it's not a typical like network television

show at least i don't think it is um but if you

if anyone out there any of the listeners have

liked um like Hannibal Lecter or like that character

i think you'd really like the show Hannibal of

course if you do like them then you're probably

already watching the show so Next one is probably

one that we all have an opinion on Which is ABC's

Marvel's agents of shield I Think that should

read Disney's ABC's Marvel's agents of shield

I'm Steve has tried to convince me to start watching

the show again, but I've watched the first, I

think, six episodes of season one and I hate

every single one of the supporting cast. I just

can't stand any of the characters. Why? I won't

go that far. The two geeks, I don't... I like

them. See, I think they're the two best characters

on the show. Outside of Coulson. Yeah. He's dead.

In the real world, Coulson is dead. No. The thing

that bums me out about Coulson is that it's not

the same Coulson from the movies. No, he's a

little too... That's the one thing that I've

noticed about the show is, yeah, he's not that...

He's not starstruck. He's not the starstruck

Coulson. He's a little too romantic for my taste

in the series. He just has this... Heroic romance

to him and this positivity that uh It's like

there's positivity in the movies But there was

a snarkiness to it also and I feel like the snarkiness

is toned down quite a bit I Would have liked

this show better if fury and shield Consistently

made the cover -up for Colston that this was

the life model decoy. I would have liked it better

that way Wanted to be close because that's one

of the one of the things that I just liked about

the Avengers Is that just like just like wash

took out the best character? Yeah I like this

show. I I was always very on the If I keep sticking

with it, it's gonna get better. It's gonna get

better and then it just Like the game is little

little itty -bitty things and since the Captain

America Winter Soldier tie -in and all hell breaking

loose and Hydra showing up oh my god the show's

been so good the last three episodes I wish it

was like this from the beginning because it wouldn't

have lost the viewers that they can't get back

I agree with you and I have enjoyed the last

two episodes that I've watched Did you watch

this week's episode I I have it I won't be able

to watch it until Saturday, uh they pull They

pull an arrow in this episode. Hey, that's what

my that's what my sister's fiance told me they

pull a Marvel character from Such an obscure

frickin place and bring him in as the villain

of the episode. It was fantastic See I just It's

great what they could just pull somebody completely

obscure out of the Marvel universe and use them

correctly Well, that's what they should have

been doing from the beginning because they wasn't

even well And I was gonna say and he's literally

a distraction. He is not even the main plot point

of the entire episode I feel like that's what

arrow has gotten right with its series versus

Marvel And I can't remember if I've said this

on altergeek before this was a conversation I

had with you Danner. I feel like arrow Draws

its characters from the existing DC universe

whereas agents of shield was making up heroes

and I think but for some reason now I think they're

starting to I Think they're they finally learned

their lesson essentially that there's so much

in the universe that they can pull from as Obscure

as they want it to be mm -hmm So I'm hoping it's

something they continue but it's one of those

things but this late in the season as we are

and we haven't seen a renew We're 18 episodes

in and we haven't seen a Reno. I'm very nervous.

This is not gonna get this is going to literally

get renewed solely on If Marvel Studios can continue

to use this to tie into the movies since and

that's what I said from the very beginning I

I honestly thought that this was one of those

shows that no matter how bad the ratings were

or whatever it would just coast like it would

it would live off of the money that the movies

were generating and this would just be like a

little tie -in for you know, the die -hard fans

to follow from episode to episode to episode

and The last is you know, I'm going off of your

word here with the last three episodes actually

being good I do agree with you about two of them,

I just haven't seen the third one. I feel like

the turnaround they've had is the same kind of

turnaround that Arrow had after they were like

knew they were going to be renewed. Like there's

a point in Arrow season one where it was like

blah this is kind of whatever this is laughable

and then it's like they were renewed and the

storytelling and everything just kind of takes

off. Yeah, and I feel like agents of shield has

hit that same spot except for the simple fact

that we haven't gotten the renewal All we've

gotten is a major movie tie -in Well, and I think

the thing that's really to me that's helped the

show and Apologize it's in advance to anybody

but major spoilers To me the thing that's really

helped the show is ward Coming out as it is being

Hydra and the fact that he's been playing the

team the entire time He is such a better villain

than he is a hero and now that he's you know

there and Just evil is all get out. It adds so

much more to his character And I think just adding

Bill Paxton to the show his Think the little

credibility quite a bit of credibility and it

really seemed to Add more to it and the fact

that I know that you know What's her name who

plays Maria Hill is gonna be on next week's episode

Samuel Jackson is gonna be on the finale episode

and I think this is really I have a really good

feeling that They're gonna tie this into Fury's

disappearance at the end of Captain America Winter

Soldier, and I think what Fury was going off

to do I think is what Shield's going to, I think

what Agents of Shield is going to pick up where

Fury was heading off at the end of the season

or the end of Winter Soldier. I think we're gonna

see what he was going off to do that Cap wouldn't

join him for. I think we're gonna see Colson's

team take up that fight oh other spoilers aside

i know you and i talked about this or and via

text but you know we can actually talk about

it here real quick um in the it was was it the

second episode after the captain america tie

in where they went to canada or at least the

north we were just both of us were really depressed

it wasn't department age yes hoping beyond hope

but nope that's probably tied up at fox but that's

okay i mean So we they made up for the fact that

it wasn't department age by the fact that you

know Pat and Oswald was the one who was running

the yeah, right? Well, I'm sure we'll come back

to agents of shield as the season draws to a

close and you know We find out if it gets renewed

or not because I know they might there's a there's

talk that they might try and piggyback it on

an agent of Carter TV series well, they're Supposedly

they're supposed to be doing agents of shield

and they're supposed to be doing agent Carter

TV series both next year Right. Seriously? How

is that going to work with what's -her -name

being the main star of Revenge? No, no, no. No,

no, no, no, no. Agent Carter is from the first

Captain America movie. It'd be a period. Oh,

Peggy. It'd be a period. Okay, Peggy, okay, Peggy.

It would essentially, where Shield would... Agent's

of Shield would take place at the downfall of

Shield, where the Agent Carter series would be

the inception of Shield. And that's what I even

made the comment when me and Mike were talking

about it. was the fact that the possibilities

that especially with all the revelations that

came through with Winter Soldier the fact that

they could go and do this Agent Carter series

and if they did it right they can show exactly

when Hydra infiltrated SHIELD and show the two

sides of that growing together from the inception

of SHIELD and I think that could be really cool

No, you know what I envision? I envision a two

-hour block of like Lost style television where

it's like flash forward flash back flash forward

flash back. Oh I'd be fine with that I like that

stuff. This is what they do in Arrow right now

anyways, right? But it's not two hours of it.

It's an hour, but so Yeah, but we'll come back

to agents of shield anyways as it gets closer

to being renewed or canceled Here's a series

that I have not seen at all. Same here. I saw

the promos for it and it just, oh god, just even

the concept of the show just pisses me off. Okay,

we're talking about Resurrection on ABC. Again,

you've heard our opinions on it. We have nothing

to say about it. Now, I do watch this one. It's

Trophy Wife. It's another ABC comedy. starring

Malin Ackerman and Bradley Whitford. I mainly

started watching it for those two alone because

I like Bradley Whitford. I started watching it

at the beginning of the season but it's been

one for me that's hard to keep up with. I enjoy

it. I'll say that when I first heard of it and

saw the promo I thought it was some sort of...

ABC celebrity wife swamp spin -off I could I

really I really I really thought but just by

looking at the try at the title alone I thought

this was gonna be a bad another bad reality show

from ABC and this airs right after the Goldberg's

right Yeah, it's literally agents of shield Goldberg's

trophy wife Yeah, and I think a lot of the reason

I started watching trophy wife is because it

was on after Goldberg's because that show I absolutely

love. I adore that show. I love the Goldbergs.

And I think a lot of the reason I was watching

Trophy Wife was because of the fact that it was

on after that. And like the first six episodes,

I watched and then just kind of, I don't know,

like I enjoy it, but it's not. Don't know it

just feels like it's Missing some small element

that makes me want to come back every single

week like the Goldberg's I haven't missed an

episode of but Trophy Wife I just For some reason

to just can't keep my attention like some of

the other half -hour comedies or 22 -minute comedies.

I think it'll come back Let me they gave no that

was NBC that gave Whitney a second season. Oh

God don't bring that up Even giving it a first

season was bad enough But I I hope trophy wife

comes back because like I said, I like Bradley

Whitford. So That was all Danner had to tell

me about Was it Kevin in the woods? Yep, Bradley

Whitford I'll go see it. Yep Another show that

I have not seen on ABC that got off to a good

start and apparently fizzled out Supposedly is

Nashville on ABC I think this is having the exact

same reaction that Smash did. Smash did also

very well for them, or did well for NBC in the

first season and then completely fizzled out

in season two. Probably. And I think it's kind

of the exact same thing. The other networks just

can't all be Gleeks. No, that shows imploded

upon itself. So let's not even talk about that

Never not talking about glee Because unfortunately

that piece of shits coming back next season The

man at least we agree. Oh, I used to be a huge

fan of that show, but I don't oh my god Anyways,

okay. Um the mentalist on CBS. Does anyone watch

that? That's still on I thought that was just

in reruns on TNT now It's not two or three episodes

and it was just incredibly fucking boring to

me Mike you were talking about this one earlier

the crazy ones on CBS You know, I love Robin

Williams. I love that after how many times or

hump I don't even know how I haven't watched

it faithfully I watched like the first five episodes

and then I watched the episode where Pam Dauber

comes back to reunite Mork and Mindy but The

guys that are in the supporting cast sometimes

when I watch episodes of this show They just

end up being really creepy to me. I don't know

why I love it because it's Robin Williams Robin

Williams can do no wrong in anything he does

But the rest of the cast is really what sucks

me out of this show. I Haven't seen it and I

don't I think there's there there are two CBS

shows that I watched I watch Hawaii 5 -0 and

I watch person of interest and of those two person

of interest got renewed I mean they both got

renewed but the only one I cared about was person

of interest so I'm glad that got renewed but

I haven't seen this yet and I probably won't

I've seen a few episodes of it and it's I don't

know it's just okay I mean, this to me is the

21st century comedy version of what Model Zinc

was in the 90s. This is an ad agency. That was

a modeling agency. Comedies about these things

just don't work. Granted, Model Zinc wasn't a

comedy, but still. Did you just bring Model Zinc?

Yes, I did. That's why I didn't comment at all.

The last one here looks like it they doubled

up on it They're two CW shows one is the 100

and the other is the tomorrow people To be quite

honest if it doesn't have arrow or the flash

in the title for CW I really don't give a shit

at this I do want to check out the 100 but as

far as tomorrow people goes that actually I mean

outside of it being on a CW show it's I Found

it to be I mean Alphas was Alphas is a good show.

I feel like Tomorrow people is better than is

better than heroes, but not as good as Elvis

Nothing is as good as Elvis not even heroes 2

.0 But I don't I don't know I'm actually I'm

behind six episodes on the tomorrow people So

I'm kind of hoping that they cancel it so I can

just delete them And I don't have to waste my

time watching them, but unless that happens really

soon I'll end up having to watch the six episodes

But Real quick the article goes on to say shows

that are looking good for return For returns

basically ABC series the Goldbergs that Dan are

enjoys The middle which is another TV show that

actually actually it's like kind of a rundown

of the shows. I actually watch The middle castle

modern family once upon a time grazing animals

comes out of time Are you caught up on it? No,

I'm done with that show. I can't watch it anymore.

Oh, I spent too much time trying to give a crap

about that show. And now that I've started now

that I've started reading fables, I hate the

show even more. They brought in they brought

in the Wizard of Oz. I know. I trust me. There's

a promo on every goddamn show on ABC about how

they brought the Wizard of Oz onto it. Oh, so

I don't watch regular television, so I don't

know how they've been promoting it. Trust me

there's ads on everything you go on anything

and There's wicked coming to town Now once upon

a time in wonderland was cancelled Well rightfully

so because trust me I watched the first episode

I know why Yeah, um Grey's Anatomy is coming

back. I don't know why I like that show I I watch

it like when I go through my list of shows that

you know for the listeners to try and cut like

Grey's Anatomy is gonna be on that list because

I do watch it and that's one of the ones I will

not let them cut because I watch every single

freaking episode. I have to know how it ends

I'm assuming everybody's going to die because

that's just how they do things Revenge was which

is another show that I've given up on uh... season

three is not it's not once this is the way i

look at and most things if the money will with

music and television if music the lead singer

leaves that i probably won't like the replacement

singer for a man and with television if the show

creator leaves and has nothing to do with the

show anymore then it's not going to keep its

consistency and i stopped caring about four episodes

into season three on revenge Okay, I didn't even

know they change showrunners I just was like

I'm done because for some reason revenge came

across in like 2004 that's when ABC came out

with They brought lost to television They brought

desperate housewives to television and both of

those were series where I was kind of like I

don't understand how those go for longer than

one seasons I don't understand how you drag the

premise out for more than one season Yeah, obviously

we saw how they were able to do that with those

revenge Still think it would have been better

as a miniseries. Yeah and then there's scandal

which I have not seen and Last Man Standing which

I actually which is another show that I do watch

so because I like the I Like the social commentary

that's in those shows. Mm -hmm. So Have they

done another cast change for the oldest daughter

and actually put someone who can actually act

in that role? No, no Yeah, cuz once that show

as much as I love Tim Allen and Nancy Travis

That show lost me when they recast the oldest

daughter from season one to season two It almost

lost me until I waited into season two and I

just kind of got erased from my memory CBS has

renewed. Well everyone I know some people are

happy about this. They renewed the Big Bang Theory

for three more seasons Yeah, shoot me now They

renewed NCIS and NCIS Los Angeles Fuck those

shows. They renewed Person of Interest, CSI,

Hawaii Five -O, Blue Bloods, Criminal Minds,

Elementary, which is actually not that bad of

a show anymore Still won't watch it. I got over

my, this isn't, this isn't Sherlock I haven't.

I got over it because I they got rid of some

of the more annoying things that I found about

the first few episodes of it. And I like what's

the guy's name? Generally Miller. Miller. Yes,

I do enjoy him as as an American interpretation

of Sherlock, if you will. Whatever. Yeah. I will

forever see him as zero cool and crash override.

Oh, yeah. He has not been at a cover patch, so

I'm not even I'm not even attempting to make

a comparison between the two Yeah, no, there's

no way Johnny Lee Miller can pull off Khan So

They also renewed two broke girls, which I've

never seen Mike and Molly, which I've never seen

mom Didn't you watch that dinner? I was watching

that it was Don't know how it got renewed Is

that great the Millers was renewed? Two and a

half men was renewed. I don't know how that show

keeps getting renewed. I oh my god because it's

so Raunchy now. It's fantastic It is just 22

minutes of just Drugging dick jokes. It's fantastic

Let's see Fox renewed new girl the Mindy project

Brooklyn 99 which yeah God that shows wonderful.

Yeah, it renewed the following which Okay, I

didn't really care for the show to begin with

but now actually I kind of enjoy it I want to

interject here between Fox and NBC because I

Meant to bring this up an altered geek last week

in the week before when Steve and I were doing

the show I have recently seen Donald Logue in

Law and Order Special Victims Unit as Lieutenant

Declan Murphy. And him portraying a cop on SVU

really sells me on the fact that he's going to

be a damn good Bullock when Fox launches Gotham.

I have no idea who the guy is. You know who Donald

Logue is. Do I? Oh, Donald Logue's been in tons

of shit. You know who he is. Did you watch? Let's

see, um, Donald Logue is, uh, you saw Ghost Rider,

right? Nope. Really? Really. You really didn't

suffer through that like the rest of us did?

Nope. I know better. Um, Grounded for Life. Yeah,

he's the lead on Grounded for Life. He's the

dead on Grounded for Life. Nope, haven't seen

that either. All the TV you watch and you've

never seen grounded for life ever see a movie

called comic book villains No grounded for life.

That was a Fox show, right? Yeah. Yeah. See I

have I had a thing against Fox The only show

I watched on Fox for the longest time was house,

especially after they cancelled firefly So there

was a lot of stuff I missed on Fox But they also

renewed Glee, Bones, and Sleepy Hollow actually

got a Season 2. Sweet! How does Sleepy Hollow

get a Season 2 before Almost Human? I don't know.

Man, now that means I actually have to finish

Season 1 of Sleepy Hollow. No words. I stopped

with Sleepy Hollow after like the... What will

get me to stop watching a television show immediately

is when the network screws with the schedule

I can understand like holidays or the World Series

or you know something like that But when they

just screw with the schedule just to do it. That's

when I lose interest in shows That's a Fox staple.

So yeah, that's true Raising hope was cancelled

And I don't think I have. I went over the ABC

series and everyone really cares about the CW

series except for Arrow, Supernatural, Reign,

Empire Diaries and the originals all got a renewal.

I don't know why the originals got a renewal.

Whatever. But that's about it as far as the TV

shows go. I mean, we'll probably be talking about

it more on upcoming episodes and stuff like that

because we have to go through my entire list

of shows. Um stuff that's not looking good. Actually

ABC the betrayal killer women mixology the neighbors

Supergatory and super are I'm bummed Doesn't

have enough I thought killer women was only supposed

to be a miniseries. Yeah, and that's what I thought

as well. I Think they pulled it already so CBS

hostages, I believe has been canceled Intelligence

and friends with better lives That's funny because

they have been putting so much advertising dollars

into friends with better lives as in it's the

next how I met your mother right Fox pretty sure

that how I bet your father was supposed to be

the next how I met your mother you know what

I mean Fox was pretty much cancelled enlisted

rake and surviving Jack I don't even know NBC

has canceled believe crisis Dracula and growing

up Fisher. I don't even That's kind of say I've

only seen the advertisements for growing up Fisher,

but it has JK Simmons on it. So As a as a blind

father So no, he's still angry because that'd

be awesome JK Simmons is angry and everything

he does The CW has pretty much canceled the heart

of Dixie the Carrie Diaries Beauty and the Beast

and star -crossed I Watched star -crossed because

it had Amy tea garden in it. I Just needs to

go She doesn't need to go away. She needs to

go back to the way. She looked in Friday night

lights. She's unrecognizable unrecognizable like

I I see I'm watching the show. I see you're on

the TV right in front of me And I'm like, I know

who you are, but you do not look like who you're

supposed to be And that made me really sad and

I stopped watching the show and then as soon

as I saw I was on the cancelled the shortlist

for being cancelled I just deleted it all together

I feel good at that intelligence is on less to

be cancelled because that was another show I

wanted to watch but now that it's possibly getting

cancelled, I guess I don't have to bother with

it. Yeah Let me ask you Mike before we move off

the TV stuff Have you picked up blacklists again?

I I'm caught up on I haven't watched this week's

episode like I don't I do all my TV watching

on Sundays, right? So our Saturdays so watch

watch this week's episode. It was it was pretty

damn good if he doesn't die I'm gonna be pissed

Don't say anything. I'll just know to be pissed

on Saturday I've only made it to episode 3 and

that The premise is much better than the show

But I don't know that's all about I've got that's

all I have got for this week I know if you had

anything you wanted to talk about Mike Not really

not that I can think of I just wanted to make

sure that I remember to bring up the Donald Logue

thing. After seeing him in Law and Order Special

Victims Unit, I am fully into his acting ability

as far as portraying a really damn good Harvey

Bullock in Fox's Gotham. I'm trying to think

what else. No, I think that's it. Good to see

everybody hear the news today about Ray Fisher

getting... cast a cyborg from Batman vs Superman?

I'm gonna slam my head against the desk, I didn't

want to talk about that. Why not? I'm done with

that movie. I'm done with that movie too, especially

due to the fact that it's opening against Cap

3 and I'd much rather see Cap 3. I'm done until

I see a trailer. I don't give a crap about...

The only news article about this Zack Snyder

sequel film that I will ever care about is if

they reveal what the actual title is going to

be before a trailer. It's Justice League. There's

no way it's Batman vs Superman. Steve and I said

that X number of episodes ago. Call it what it

is, Justice League. That man versus Superman

is going to be the equivalent of Iron Man 2 It's

just gonna be one giant opening sequence for

Avengers or for Justice League in this case I'm

gonna keep my mouth shut on that one I think

we can close this out. Why you what you want

to start another conversation about how much

you hate Iron Man 3? Is that what Steve usually

closes up the episode as far as contact information

and stuff Mike? I don't have any of that. You're

just ignoring me now, aren't you? Yes, okay Okay,

I thought he was talking to me about it. Oh,

no. Oh, no I'm talking about the joy hater known

as is booth ninja Yeah, because I'm the guy that

loves iron man 3 I I can fall asleep to that

movie that commentary you can fall asleep to

iron man 3. Yep Does it almost anything on television?

Well cuz it's on my DVR. So I remember your DVR.

Yeah, where did it air? Stars oh, I don't know

if the movie's good. I can't really fall asleep

during it. Okay, so That's gonna do it for this

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